Pickford signs new deal at Everton

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Updated Jordan Pickford has committed his future to Everton by signing a new contract that runs to the summer of 2027 following months of negotiations.

The England goalkeeper was named the club's player of the season last year and is regarded as one of the Toffees' most important assets.

Talks over new terms were initiated at the end of last season and Pickford was said to be ready to put pen to paper on new terms late last year. However, like that of Alex Iwobi and Anthony Gordon, his contract extension remained unsigned heading into 2023.

Gordon's hesitation may have been due to a desire to leave the football club, a wish he was granted late in the January transfer window when he secured a £45m move to Newcastle United, but it was also surmised that Everton had paused talks with all three players due to uncertainty over the club's Premier League status.

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The Blues had occupied the relegation zone between 3rd January and this past weekend amid fears that the club might go down this season but new manager Sean Dyche has already picked up two wins from his first three games in charge since taking over from Frank Lampard, igniting hope that top-flight survival could yet be achieved for a second successive season. 

Paul Joyce had previously reported that Everton were confident Pickford, who has been mentioned as a potential target for Tottenham this summer, would sign a new 4½-year contract, extending his existing one which was due to expire in June 2024.

That has now been confirmed by the club, with the goalkeeper saying: “It’s massive to sign this new contract at such a special club for me. The support I’ve had from everyone at the Club since I joined as a 22-year-old has been so important to my family and me. I’m happy here and so are my family. We love it at Everton.

“Everton is a massive club. The past few seasons have not been what we wanted but we now have a manager who I believe will point us in the right direction and get us up the table. It’s definitely my aim to be successful at this club. The fans, the staff and my teammates have been great with me from the moment I joined and I want to be great for them. 

“I just want to keep working hard and performing for Everton. We know we are in a tough place at the moment in the league but I’m eager to help the team improve this season and then aim for success in the future, which will include playing in our new stadium.

“This contract will take me to more than 10 years at Everton and I want to build a legacy here to put myself up there with the likes of Neville Southall to be one of the best keepers to have played for Everton.”

Quotes sourced from The Times

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Larry O'Hara
1 Posted 22/02/2023 at 18:20:02
Good if he stays.

Top $ if he goes.

John Pickles
2 Posted 22/02/2023 at 18:20:40
It will probably contain a few get-out clauses, I should imagine, Champions League clubs etc.
Kieran Kinsella
3 Posted 22/02/2023 at 18:33:39
They need this wrapped up before the summer; otherwise, he's within 12 months of the end of his contract and an attractive free transfer target for vultures lurking out there.
Danny O’Neill
4 Posted 22/02/2023 at 18:46:42
Well, this seems positive.

In fairness, where else would he go that would be a step up from Everton?

And his commitment to the cause recently has been very visible. I know that the show for the cameras can not always mean a lot, but he seems committed.

He had improved and matured. Let's get him signed up.

Lee Courtliff
5 Posted 22/02/2023 at 18:52:47
As much as I like Jordan and don't want to see us sell our best players, do we really need him with Dyche as manager? He's not exactly known for 'playing out from the back', is he?

Hopefully the new deal allows us to command a top fee for him that can be used to strengthen the overall team. With Gordon leaving for a very good fee, surely this would allow us to spend in the summer.

And good luck to Jordan, if he leaves, he's been a good keeper for us. Albeit, with some dodgy moments, but every keeper has those. Especially young ones.

Brian Williams
6 Posted 22/02/2023 at 18:57:02
Do we really need him with Dyche as manager?

Eh? We need the best keeper we can afford. It doesn't matter who the manager is — it's not him firing shots at our keeper every week.

Tony Abrahams
7 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:01:43
If Pickford stays, then we need a new goalkeeping coach, imo.
Bill Gall
8 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:07:50
This may be a case of him knowing he may leave.

If he has a better contract, then whoever wants to sign him in the future will have to improve on it. This could also add to his transfer fee and that will help Everton.

The down side will be the cost in getting someone better.

Kevin Prytherch
9 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:16:26

Just Tom Davies to tie down next…

Paul Birmingham
10 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:16:38
Let's hope this is a genuine statement of Pickford's intent to stay at Everton.

Great news, if it is true.


Eddie Dunn
11 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:20:26
Good news on Pickford but, should we survive, I would happily never watch Iwobi in an Everton shirt again.
Paul Hewitt
12 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:22:21
There will be a relegation clause in it, I would think.
Michael Boardman
13 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:31:33
I tried to put a relegation release clause in my head for Everton – but just can't enact it as I'm stuck for life.

Good news on Pickford, he needs more slack than he gets; this man is world class.

Brian Hennessy
14 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:32:42
Great news. He has developed into a top-class keeper, getting better each year as he matures.

I'm not convinced it would be easy to find another reliable keeper if we did sell on to make a profit.

Paul Smith
15 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:33:58
Great news. Our best asset and will have plenty of suitors.

Can't believe people are asking if we need him. He's essential.

Colin Glassar
16 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:36:13
Lee, weird comment. Dyche isn't a magician and he doesn't score, or stop goals.

Let's not begin a cult after 3 games shall we? We've had enough false dawns in my time.

Kieran Kinsella
17 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:41:09
The cult of Dyche, Colin? Sounds like he will need some acolytes.

Lee, Pickford can play well in a direct side. He has used long balls and throws to great effect for England. At Everton, I don't know if it is the wind or what that seems to blow the ball into the Main Stand but, if we can get some windbreakers, maybe he could thrive.

Peter Neilson
18 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:54:22
Tony (7) just wondering, what’s your reasoning for that? Cheers
Rob Rothwell
19 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:56:19
First offer over £50 million takes him as far as I'm concerned.

Great shot-stopper and, as much as I hate giving blues stick, he will always be prone to stupid errors, and causes way too much panic at the back. At one point in time, I even thought he was a kopite.

Big question is who has the money and would take the risk? Certainly not the Geordies. Would Man Utd go for someone risky, like De Gea? Leaves Chelsea or Man City, both of whom shouldn't be splashing the cash in the Summer. Spurs a maybe.

Chances are he will be with us next season, unless we drop.

Tony Abrahams
20 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:56:59
The way he stays rooted to his line, and the way he has a tendency to line up his wall for free-kicks, is my reasoning behind these thoughts Peter.
Tony Everan
21 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:58:51
It's good news but, as John @2 said, there will be clauses that he can go to a Champions League club if they offer the money we want.

I'd be happy if he stayed as I think he is improving with age – the next 5 years will be his best.

Paul Hewitt
22 Posted 22/02/2023 at 19:59:36
It's criminal that big Nev was never brought back as goalkeeper coach.
Peter Neilson
23 Posted 22/02/2023 at 20:02:14
Thanks, Tony.

As he's had the same coach for years (?) now, I guess a change or a new set of eyes would potentially fix these. No harm in continually seeking improvement.

Tony Abrahams
24 Posted 22/02/2023 at 20:10:08
That's also my reasoning, Peter, but I criticize most keepers because I feel a lot of them line their wall up wrong and actually help to create a lot of goals scored from free-kicks because of this.
Derek Knox
25 Posted 22/02/2023 at 20:29:20
Kevin @ 9,

"Just Tom Davies to tie down next…"

I have got some really strong ropes and chains that Houdini couldn't escape from, we just need to find the next Rocket into Space, ironically, something that Tom Davies never finds!

Let's also hope that Kenwright is holding his hand when countdown finishes ! :-)

Christy Ring
26 Posted 22/02/2023 at 20:44:42
Pickford deserves a new contract in my opinion, but Iwobi doesn't deserve a six figure contract in my opinion.
Mike Price
27 Posted 22/02/2023 at 20:49:56
No one wants him, that’s why he’s signing a contract with us. He’s bang average, I would swap most other Premier league goalies for him but no one would swap with us.

We never learn! Pickford, Mina, Gomes, Alli, Iwobi, Davies, Mykolenko and Calvert Lewin should all be shipped out and we’d be much better for it.

Kieran Kinsella
28 Posted 22/02/2023 at 20:55:36

I doubt anyone would pay close to £50 million given he will be a free agent in a little over 12 months. The "stupid errors" charge though is something Spurs fans say of Lloris, Man Utd fans of De Gea, more recently Liverpool fans of Allison. Then you have Pope and Ramsdale – neither of whom could usurp him as England Number 1 due to their stupid errors.

I was surprised to come across articles in the last few weeks with both Brighton and Brentford fans criticizing their erratic goalies. My point being that I think all goalies have a "mistake" in them but it tends to get amplified a million times louder than when outfield players make mistakes. If you think of the latter days of Southall or Howard or even Seaman, he is better now than either of them were then.

Rob Rothwell
29 Posted 22/02/2023 at 21:08:37
True, Kieran.

If we do keep him, we deserve his best years given what we have been through.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
30 Posted 22/02/2023 at 21:14:51
This makes all the sense in the world if for no other reason than he's got resale value if we need to sell him anytime in the next couple of years.

But I don't get the hate. He kept us up as much as anyone last season, alongside Richarlison and the fans. He's been largely error-free the past couple of years. He's not great on balls in the air, but I'll take his shot-stopping as much as anyone in the Premier League.

Obviously there's a price for anyone, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Man Utd or Spurs offer £60 million or something we can't refuse. If somehow we recruited well, that kind of deal would make sense.

And of course there's a wage that's excessive but, for a world-class keeper in his prime, that number has to be pretty high. It's not like keepers of his quality are just sitting on the bench somewhere or can be plucked for £15 million from a lower league. Sure, you might get lucky and find one, but I'll take overpaying wages on a known commodity than taking that chance any day.

John Raftery
31 Posted 22/02/2023 at 21:20:48
Pickford, like all goalkeepers in the modern era, has a mistake in him. We saw two of the top keepers in the world make one each last night. After the 2018 World Cup, Pickford made too many errors and unsettled the defence with his erratic performances.

Carlo Ancelotti helped him by leaving him out of the team for a spell. Once he returned for the final weeks of the 2020-21 season, he became more reliable and has generally played well for the last 2 years.

He still makes errors, most notably for the first goal at Bournemouth this season and for Ward-Prowse's free-kick at Goodison, but they are fewer and further between than they were.

The news of his contract extension is positive in terms of preventing a discounted sale this summer or the player running down his contract. There are bound to be release clauses and it would be interesting to know how much we are paying him.

Kieran Kinsella
32 Posted 22/02/2023 at 21:26:45

It's weird but the world can be very unforgiving to goalies.

Remember when Jim Leighton was rivalling Southall as best of British then he made mistakes in that cup game, was replaced by Les Sealy and no big club ever gave him a chance again.

Stekelenburg going to Juve as the best thing since sliced bread then ended up at Everton with a reputation as a dodgy Number 2. In spite of which, I recall him having a MotM performance against Man City one time.

Neil Tyrrell
33 Posted 22/02/2023 at 21:41:55
A rare good move by the powers that be if true. Ties down our one top class player or, at the very least, increases his transfer fee, if we continue this century's tradition of selling our best.

He's made some bonehead errors but they all do. As mentioned above, there's nowhere for goalies to hide, most of their mistakes end up as a goal against and get remembered more than all the saves. Karrius starting for the Barcodes in the League Cup Final, I think?

Mike Price
34 Posted 22/02/2023 at 21:50:02
Putting a player that isn't massively sought after, on a massive contract turns him from an asset to a liability. No-one else will pay them what we do, so you can't give them away.

We've done it for decades and never seem to learn.

Christy Ring
35 Posted 22/02/2023 at 22:15:24

I don't honestly remember Southall, when he became our No 1, ever making an error. Maybe it's just me… but – as Carlsberg say – ‘probably' the best keeper ever.

Jerome Shields
36 Posted 22/02/2023 at 22:18:53
Probably Dyche as they get Pickford's contract sorted out, having not transferred anyone in for the first team squad in January.
Kieran Kinsella
37 Posted 22/02/2023 at 22:18:59

I guess you're right. It wasn't so much "errors" I suppose –more that he went downhill fast in his later years due to being overweight.

Barry McNally
38 Posted 22/02/2023 at 22:21:47
Good, keep your best players.

Errors more common these days due to the pace of the game and change to the back-pass rule.

Robert Tressell
39 Posted 22/02/2023 at 22:24:31
This makes me wonder whether inward investment has been more or less sorted out – because it looked like we needed to sell again to spend any money on the squad.

Pickford and Onana are our two Champions League type players. It would be good if we can commence next season with them both. Branthwaite and an attacker of quality too (not Ryan Fraser).

Here's hoping.

Mike Gaynes
40 Posted 22/02/2023 at 22:45:32
Brian #6, amen and huzzah. He's world class indeed and we're very, very wise to keep him.

And Mike, with all affection, I think you're out of your mind.

Les Callan
41 Posted 22/02/2023 at 23:14:15
Neville Southall. Best keeper ever, anywhere. Bar none.
Mark Andersson
42 Posted 22/02/2023 at 23:27:29
We need the money and should sell him. He is well over-rated. England Number 1 coz every other keeper is really crap... Clements, Banks, Shilton, Seaman – they were proper keepers.

While you're at it, give Maupay an extension – our one-goal wonder...

And give each board member a big cash bonus for being super great at their jobs.

Mike Gaynes
43 Posted 22/02/2023 at 23:39:53
Christy and Kieran, back in Nev's day the keeper could just pick up a backpass and punt it.

That's where most of the errors come from today... keepers with the ball at their feet, like Courtois.

Fran Mitchell
44 Posted 22/02/2023 at 23:48:35
Anyone actually think we could replace him with someone decent? Really?

'Sell him and spend the money' – because that has worked wonders with Stones, Lukaku, Richarlison, Gordon – we've always improved when selling our better players haven't we, I mean thank god we sold Gueye, that money came in really handy to sign Gbmain that we went and signed Gueye to replace himself 3 years later.

Good goalkeepers are difficult to find. Pickford makes mistakes, as do they all – yesterday saw two of the world's best keepers make massive blunders, Ramsdale makes blunders, Ederson makes blunders, de Gea makes blunders – but Pickford's pros far outweigh his cons and, for a club at our level, we'd massively struggle to replace him with anyone near as good.

Also, he's at his peak; if we don't sign him up, we'll lose him for half his true value, or even lose him on a free. So why would we even consider not giving him a new contract?

Dupont Koo
45 Posted 22/02/2023 at 00:03:06
From an Asset Retention standpoint, good news. His value will be maintained for us to rip Spurs off once again if they sniff around again in the summer.

Pickford's kicking (the power, distance and, at times, accuracy) has been severely under-utilised, if not buried, by all the managers ever since he joined us. When Dyche was hired, I was quietly giddly because I believe he is the one manager who will unleash this ability of Pickford's.

So far so good as we have seen Pickford punting long more frequently: a few of those balls actually were almost placed directly on to Calvert-Lewin's head during the Arsenal game (whether he was winning those headers is another subject).

Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 23/02/2023 at 00:06:33

That's a damn good point I'd forgotten about.

Ian Pilkington
47 Posted 23/02/2023 at 00:18:53
Fran @44,

Absolutely spot on.

Undisputed first choice for England and our only world class player since Rooney, yet some on here would happily see him depart, it's beyond belief.

Martin Mason
48 Posted 23/02/2023 at 00:42:48
When I see people who say that Pickford is overrated, it makes me realise that Quantum Mechanics is real and some people live in bizarre alternative universes and realities.
Danny Baily
49 Posted 23/02/2023 at 02:17:41
Manager after manager have rated this lad highly so he must have something. And it's good to see us securing the value of our assets, even with the uncertainty surrounding the club. But I'd still like to see him moved on sooner rather than later, and preferably while his value remains high. Too erratic.

Managers rated Joe Hart highly until they didn't.

Darren Hind
50 Posted 23/02/2023 at 02:27:09
In the eye of the beholder

Ask fans of other clubs what they think of him and you will get varying responses. The Kopites think they can't get to him. So do the Mancs. The Geordies know they can get to him. Others will say he is the best in the country.

He can be world class. We've all seen incredible performances from him, but he can most definitely be rattled and distracted.

The good days comfortably outweigh the bad days. He may not be ultra-consistent, but he is the most consistent player we have by a mile.

Martin Mason
51 Posted 23/02/2023 at 04:36:53

Joe Hart had a couple of weaknesses. One was that he was slow getting down to low shots and had been found out, he was also hopeless at tippy-tappy distributing the ball from his area. He was finished when Pep came.

Danny O’Neill
52 Posted 23/02/2023 at 05:23:07
This thread sums up Pickford. Mixed opinions on a very good player and goalkeeper. The best England have, but not world class.

He is England's Number 1 and as good as we can hope for.

He plays too much in our 6-yard box and isn't as commanding enough as we would like. He occasionally loses his head but, as John says, that's becoming less frequent as he matures. He still irritates me with the rugby-like punts aiming for possession and territory. Is that his instinct or what he is told to do?

His shot-stopping is almost second to none and he's given me breathless moments before coming around again to realise he did actually save it. Sometimes twice in the space of a few seconds. Only Neville Southall done that to me.

On Neville, I'm not sure he would have made a good coach. Watching him and having watched documentaries since, he seemed an insular character who just wanted to play and go home. Just an observation rather than knowledge.

Best keeper ever? Probably hanging myself out here. Of course 16-year-old Danny thought that at the time. But I would put Manuel Neuer, Peter Schmeichel and Buffon up there as competition.

Speaks volumes that we talk about Southall in that company. Everyone rightly talks about that season-defining save at Tottenham. I remember the one against Sheffield Wednesday at Hillsborough. How he got to that, I will never know!

Alan J Thompson
53 Posted 23/02/2023 at 06:05:52
I can't think of any other keepers who would be within our price range and as good as Pickford.

I also like the way he uses his hands rather than this modern way of keeping which is to do the splits while sticking a leg out as far as possible. I mean, what are they supposed to do when it hits their outstretched leg and how are they to recover a standing position? It was always a part of keeper training that you could quickly recover an upright position.

As for lining up the wall, I've seen Everton on two or three occasions have the keeper more to one side of the goal while the man on the end of the wall, I think usually Mykolenko, is supposed to turn and sprint back to take up position on the far post before the opposition can take advantage of being played onside. I don't remember any of the two or three times being successful and most notably the Ward-Prouse goal.

Similarly, Pickford could come for more crosses but keepers more often than not rely on their central defenders, particularly if they are good in the air, Labone and West being a good example – albeit I remember Labby giving Bonetti what for in that World Cup game against West Germany for the Seeler goal.

And as for eccentricities, it used to be said that you couldn't be a top-class keeper without them but then you weren't expected to be able to control or trap a ball or have first class distribution – unless of course you could throw it as far as Westy – but probably not with today's balloons that pass for caseys.

Tony Hill
54 Posted 23/02/2023 at 06:30:50
He has great qualities. I worry that he is a source of anxiety in the team at times but he’s a true asset and he was obviously crucial last season.
Danny Baily
55 Posted 23/02/2023 at 06:39:22
Martin @51,

His poor distribution doesn't explain why he was so poor at Burnley. With him as first name on the teamsheet, they were getting relegated. It took a brave decision by the manager to demote him to turn things around.

And Alan @53, we have Begovic who is on balance probably a better option than Jordan.

Danny O’Neill
56 Posted 23/02/2023 at 06:50:24
I don't know if in our price range but, if it came to it and we sell Pickford, we would get a decent price for England's Number 1.

One I've watched and he was bought at a young age by Bayern as a potential successor to Neuer. Still on Bayern's books but loaned out to Monaco, so might be surplus to requirements, although he is still only 26 and Neuer heading into the twilight of his career at 36, so maybe Bayern have been managing that one.

Both came through the Schalke academy too. They have a history of selling, losing or having young players poached by predators!!

Apologies in advance for my Schalke reference. If you think Everton are having a bad season, their return to the Bundesliga is looking like a train crash!! Hoping to get out to see them soon in-between watching Everton.

Hopefully Jordan signs to give us time and some form of insurance in terms of future transfer fees if it happened.

Alan J Thompson
57 Posted 23/02/2023 at 06:51:04
Danny (#55);

It is of course a matter of personal opinion and it seems not only myself but several former managers disagree with you.

When was the last time that Begovic, who isn't a bad keeper, was more than the reserve keeper at a club – particularly in the Premier League?

Eric Myles
58 Posted 23/02/2023 at 07:05:47
Danny #52, you must be a lot younger than me, I'd have said Dino Zoff who usurped the great Albertini from the Italian side.

I don't like the way Pickford stays in his 6-yard box and doesn't come out and claim catches, and also doesn't catch shots that are straight at him. Maybe that's the modern game and "a safe pair of hands" is no longer the mantra that it was in my day.

He could do worse than watching a few of the great First Division goalies of the '60s and '70s. West, Banks, Clemence, Shilton, Bonetti, Sprake (although not that time he threw the ball into his own net).

I'd keep him though. When he's having a good day, he's great; when he's having a bad one he's a bit better than average.

Danny O’Neill
59 Posted 23/02/2023 at 07:17:54
I forgot to name him @56. Alexander Nübel

You list some top keepers there, Eric. Shilton and Clemence. A period when England were spoilt for choice.

Robert Tressell
60 Posted 23/02/2023 at 07:19:43
Alan #53, there's probably about a dozen talented, highly rated keepers around the world who we might replace Pickford with.

Most would need 18 months to settle in.

For example, there's an extremely highly rated young Russian, Safonov, who is out of contract in summer. Or the young Bosnian, Kovacevic, playing in Poland. Both could be exceptional but would not hit the ground running.

Closer to home, there is Kellerher at Liverpool. I expect he'd cost about £20M. That's probably the absolute top end of our budget for a keeper. He's been good in cups playing for a very good side. Whether he can replicate that on a regular basis in the league, hard to say.

Alan J Thompson
61 Posted 23/02/2023 at 07:35:49
Robert (#60);

I'm not disagreeing with you as I know nothing of the players you name but would there be problems getting work permits, have they as yet represented their senior national teams, or even allow Russians under the present circumstances?

And as you say, would not at the moment be as good as Pickford or possibly have settling problems, such as Kean, or speak the language. And a young, untried keeper from across the park? They'd have us for an arm and a leg.

Rob Jones
62 Posted 23/02/2023 at 08:25:15
Some people posting on this website will complain no matter what the circumstance.

He's England's No 1 for good reason, he's been a great keeper for us and for England. He's still young and, if we do sell him, we're no longer forced to do so for a pittance.

For all those whining, tell us all: who can we afford that's better?

Peter Warren
63 Posted 23/02/2023 at 08:31:20
Rob #62,

Liverpool's reserve keeper.

Robert Tressell
64 Posted 23/02/2023 at 08:31:55
Alan, I didn't explain myself properly. I agree with you.

The point I was trying to make is that it will be very difficult to replace Pickford with anyone as good as him. There are talented options out there but they are quite speculative and may take time to settle, if indeed they settle at all.

The other option is to buy someone like Henderson from Man Utd or Nubel who has been mentioned. These are decent mature goalkeepers but they are not in the same league as Pickford. So it is a bit like Richarlison, where we sell and deteriorate in quality as a result.

Rob Jones
65 Posted 23/02/2023 at 08:35:37

Caoimhin Kelleher is unproven, and there's no reason that Liverpool would ever sell to us, at a price we can afford.

Robert Tressell
66 Posted 23/02/2023 at 08:52:13
Rob #65,

I could see Liverpool trying to use Kellerher as a way to get Branthwaite. They might sell because they have another good young keeper coming through, Trafford, who has been on loan at Bolton. They could also pick up an older backup on the cheap, as we did with Begovic.

He wouldn't be cheap though for us.

Eric Myles
67 Posted 23/02/2023 at 08:54:24
Robert #60,

I just hope we don't go for that Russian lad, I Letemin.

Martin Mason
68 Posted 23/02/2023 at 09:03:14
Danny @55,

He was also weak getting down to low shots and he was found out. Could that explain it? I have only read it as a comment from the time.

Christopher Timmins
69 Posted 23/02/2023 at 09:03:41
No need to worry, folks, just leave it to Sean to sort out.

When it comes to Number 1s, he has some record at picking them.

Peter Neilson
70 Posted 23/02/2023 at 09:04:24
If we had another 10 players as competent in their positions as Pickford, we'd be up the other end of the table.
Dan Hollingworth
71 Posted 23/02/2023 at 09:04:34
This is massive news and forgive me for trying to be a bit "glass half-full". But he must have been given assurances about our summer plans? Although I admit he will have probably been told he can go in a year or two if things don't improve.

This news also came out the same day the I paper said the MSP investment is close. So I wonder if this is all linked.

We ain't getting better than him in summer, not for a small fortune anyway. So this is good news.

Darren Hind
72 Posted 23/02/2023 at 09:07:34
A good keeper can get you as many points as a good striker.

We haven't addressed one end of the field and it would have been foolish to try to fix one of the things that isn't broke at the other.

Peter Warren
73 Posted 23/02/2023 at 09:19:26
Rob #65,

You might be right. By the way, I will be made up if Pickford signs – a very good player. However, I disagree that there are no other options at a decent price.

I don't follow much other football, aside from Everton now, probably because Everton are so poor. However, I don't rate Pickford as high as you and some others do. His decision making is poor and he does little to relieve pressure, electing to punch simple crosses and shots. I rate him on a par with Howard: very good keeper but not great.

If an opportunity arises to get a better keeper in, we should take it.

I always rated Pope highly, but Newcastle got in there. There are loads of keepers whether playing Number 1 or Number 2, old or young out there and I don't believe that upgrades are unavailable.

An example in past was Nigel Martyn. What a keeper! A more recent example was Lampard picking up Mendhy a few years back. He was pretty cheap, I recall, and I thought a huge upgrade on their keeper at the time although he has recently lost form and his place back to whom he replaced. That example shows perhaps it's not as easy as I think but, personally, I don't think it would be too hard to get an upgrade at a reasonable price.

Robert Tressell
74 Posted 23/02/2023 at 09:57:12
Peter #73,

Pope is a very good traditional keeper. However, because of his limited ball control and distribution, he would be of no interest to genuine Champions League clubs – and is less suited to international football (hence Pope doesn't get a look in).

Pickford is in a different league because he plays the position differently. The back pass rule has changed the skill set that is most prized amongst goalkeepers. Southall, Schmeichel, Seaman etc have given way to more footballing keepers like Alisson, Ederson, Neuer and, yes, Pickford.

In some respects, he has been wasted on us. We could have got by with a more limited keeper. But if you want to go up a level, you need a keeper like Pickford.

Brian Harrison
75 Posted 23/02/2023 at 10:15:21
I am surprised that Pickford has signed a new contract, given the uncertainty as to what division we will be in next season. I can only assume that there must be a release clause in his contract should we not be playing Premier league football next season. I didnt think he would sign as I am sure both Spurs and Man Utd may be looking to change their keepers next season, and both will be playing in Europe next year.
Andy Crooks
76 Posted 23/02/2023 at 10:36:19
I think Pickford has become a really good goalkeeper. An important area of our team is sorted. Really good unEvertonlike news. An adjective that, while not necessarily grammatically correct, is effective in it's growing recognition.

Steve Brown
77 Posted 23/02/2023 at 10:37:27
Assume he has signed for a susbtantial wage increment, with a relegation clause and a transfer valuation built him.

Derisks us from him running down his contract and probably has clauses to protect him.

Absolute no brainer.

Tom Bowers
78 Posted 23/02/2023 at 13:17:29
Obviously money is the key in this contract.

I felt for sure he would be out the door at the end of the season to a ''bigger'' club but those clubs may feel they have the best already. (Ha! ha! after watching the clown mistakes made in the Liverpool - Real Madrid match.)

Picks has had his critics in this column and unfairly so on many occasions but the cynics always blame the keeper when things go wrong but he is still one of the best in England.

He like the rest of us may feel the new gaffer is going to get this club up among the elite again and being a keeper he has time on his side to see that happen (if it does)

Good luck to him and the team.

Colin Malone
79 Posted 23/02/2023 at 13:18:17
Well deserved. Only for Pickford, we would be in the Championship.
Ian Bennett
80 Posted 23/02/2023 at 13:35:54
I am surprised he's not pushed for a champions league team I have to say.

He's in his prime, and we are a million miles from that level.

Christy Ring
81 Posted 23/02/2023 at 13:50:00
A good and established keeper doesn't come cheap, Newcastle were lucky because Pope was at the end of his contract. Kept cost Chelsea £80m, so keeping Pickford is a very good deal, and it's reported he didn't sign a get out clause. We haven't a great record with keeper's apart from the best keeper in the world Big Nev. Moyes signed Martyn, a fine keeper, near the end of his career, Nigel said he was supposed to go to Everton a few years earlierhad the chance to buy him a few years earlier, but Moyes pulled out of the deal. Regarding Shilton, the best keeper of his time, we were on the ferge of signing him in the early 70's, but was it Gordon Lee or Bingham pulled out of the deal. It cost us a league title, our keeper's were very poor then.
Don Alexander
82 Posted 23/02/2023 at 13:53:21
Aha! I suspect this is a cunning plan by our very own guru, the self-proclaimed aide to clubs in trouble, who's now under the belief that, when Jordan's sold, the price will now be sufficient to put us in the black!

Genius, or what?

More seriously, I'm delighted he's signed.

Anthony Lamb
83 Posted 23/02/2023 at 18:00:07
Does anybody else find this phrase “there is a mistake in him” somewhat questionable or perhaps even ridiculous when referring particularly to goalkeepers and in this case Pickford? Sometimes I think those who are quick to use the phrase seem to forget that they are dealing with human beings and the last time I looked it appears that us mortal, limited creatures are each always capable of making mistakes in every single walk of life in which we are engaged.
Obviously being in a profession one attempts to eradicate potential mistakes or at least lesson their probability and one can possibly assume that as he progresses in his career Pickford would be attempting to do so? There has never been a goalkeeper at any level who has never made mistakes. Obviously if mistakes are constantly being made without any attempts being made to rectify them then that is another ball game as they say. The great goalkeeper names often mentioned also made their fair share of mistakes and as has already been mentioned, the goalkeeper’s mistakes are often highlighted and are more obvious than most other players. Many of the great names mentioned are often of previous times if not generations, and one need hardly mention that they were often not subject to the relentless scrutiny endured by todays generation of keepers.
Those who continue to have recourse to the “there is a mistake in him” cliche when commenting on Pickford should prepare themselves well in their search for the goalkeeper who does not have “a mistake in him” for they are in for a very long, and dare I say, fruitless journey.
Mike Gaynes
84 Posted 23/02/2023 at 18:02:32
Anthony #83, amen.

Extraordinary goal by DiMaria for Juve just now.

Alan McGuffog
85 Posted 23/02/2023 at 18:15:28
Anthony...thanks to the w⚓️'s who pontificate about OUR game in the media we are drowning in a sea of cliché.
" he was entitled to go down " ( he cheated )
" he drew the foul ( he cheated )
You can add your own favourites. It's all bollix
Rob Halligan
86 Posted 23/02/2023 at 18:18:23
BBC now saying this is a done deal, while the red echo also say there is no release clause should we be relegated. I Guess this means that he could still go in the summer should we go down, but it will cost some club massive money to buy him.
Kieran Kinsella
87 Posted 23/02/2023 at 18:31:14
Robert 74

Good post. I was thinking the exact same thing this morning. Anyone would have "a mistake in him" playing behind the Keane, Holgate combo, behind Yerri when he sits down mid play, or any of our other changing assortment of defenders. But he doesn't have these issues with England as he is playing with better defenders. He is also better able to utilize his long passes, throws etc as he has better players upfield who are more capable of controlling balls and making the best of them. If and when we get better players, I think we will see Pickford as more that just a very good keeper but actually as a top player.

David West
88 Posted 23/02/2023 at 18:36:15
Let's have it right. He knows if we go down he will be top if the list to go anyway considering his worth and wages.
So It's insignificant if there's a clause or not. It's an insight into how he feels though, that he would be willing to stay here anyway so I say it's confirmed that he ls here for the long term now, WHEN we stay up and consolidate next term.

I always think keepers look better in a struggling team anyway. He faces alot of shots in our side.

Simon Thunbo
89 Posted 24/02/2023 at 01:48:21
If the England #1 signs a new contract with this shambles, he MUST be the new Big Nev.
Kieran Kinsella
90 Posted 24/02/2023 at 04:14:50
Jan Molby
Eric Myles
91 Posted 24/02/2023 at 04:46:19
Colin Malone #79, Sunderland?

And Robert #74, Sunderland?

Sean Roe
92 Posted 24/02/2023 at 07:13:26
How refreshing if true, to see a player willing to roll up his sleeves and try to help the club progress rather than jumping ship.

Under normal circumstances ,I would say that hopefully by one of our better players staying, it may encourage a few others to put pen to paper, but hopefully not.

Jim Potter
93 Posted 24/02/2023 at 08:22:51
Jordan appears to be more mentally stable than say 2 seasons ago when rushes of blood or a lack of concentration could cost him (and us) dearly. Even now he's a very animated character who goes ape a little too often for my liking. Mr Dyche needs to hand him some chill pills.

He has always been world class for England, especially in the major tournaments.

I think he's been with a sports shrink and this has helped enormously.

Many keepers carry on improving with experience well into their mid thirties and that makes me want to hang onto him even more.

Some people's digs at Dyche are just plain annoying. I believed a few weeks ago that we were on such a trajectory of shite that nothing could alter our descent into the abyss. Now, at least I see hope and a group with more backbone and a game plan.

"Dycheball" is an unfair fallacy to me. At Burnley he performed brilliantly with what he had and cut his cloth accordingly. Here, he's just starting. Emergency measures are needed.

Let's at least give the guy a chance - and maybe if we survive and he brings his choices into Goodison in a less doomladen time - we might get to see what he's capable of. So far, a lot of common sense, grit and hope.

Michael Lynch
94 Posted 24/02/2023 at 10:48:57
Contract signed, pictures on the OS, four and a half years, Jordan hopes he'll create a legacy like that of Big Nev.

Interesting final word from Thelwell though: "Since signing him in 2017, our Chairman has built a strong relationship with Jordan and his representatives, and this played a big and important part in us getting this new contract agreed".

Passive aggressive message to the fans? Bill saying "give us a mention Kev"? Just the plain truth and no more?

Phil Lewis
95 Posted 24/02/2023 at 10:56:47
I have never been a Pickford fan. He is not in the same league as some of the truly great keepers named here in previous posts. Indeed he is not fit to lace the mighty Neville Southall's boots. Although I'm happy to admit I've seen an improvement in his overall game these last twelve months, he's still far from the complete keeper and continues to be the culprit of farcical blunders.

In truth, my heart sank a little hearing of his new four year deal, as I've been wishing that he and a couple of our below par performers, could be sold and the money used to bring in an experienced keeper, similar to the way we signed an aging Martyn perhaps, but more importantly a centre forward who can actually score goals.

Martin Mason
96 Posted 24/02/2023 at 11:17:35
Phil, you need to understand that this a minority personal opinion and you mustn't state it as fact. Remember also that Southall played in a different game, goalies now play as sweepers and have a vastly more difficult game to play. I rate him as good as Southall and both superb (my opinion). Pickford is the best in the UK and has been at every level (fact), he is as good as any keeper in the world. Where do you see weaknesses in Pickford's game? does he flap?
Danny O’Neill
97 Posted 24/02/2023 at 11:31:38
Positive vibes from Jordan, putting his faith and commitment into Everton if we take him at face value and nice to see him mention his family. His kids were on the pitch at the end of the Palace match in their Everton goalie kits.

You see it most weeks. I've said it on a few match days, there where times I thought he was going to join us in the crowd at times. Always comes over to us regardless, which personally means a lot. Never far behind Mykolenko. I can't count the amount of pairs of gloves he's given to some young supporter. The kit manager must be going spare!!

Not everyone's cup of tea and like any player, especially keepers, will make mistakes. But he has matured and improved.

He's not the best in commanding his box but he is amongst the best at shot stopping. Quite frankly, we couldn't do much better right now and we have other areas that we need to worry about.

To secure England's goalkeeper is positive on two counts.

It is a statement. We get to keep him and have him make those saves that give me heart stopping moments. And we secure the club gaining financial benefit should we sell him.

Good business by the club in my opinion.

Phil Lewis
98 Posted 24/02/2023 at 11:48:01
Martin #96

I stated a personal opinion. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me.

Facts can only be based on statistics. So in that sense my argument holds regarding Southall.

How old are you? Did you actually watch Southall week in week out as I did? If so I fail to see how in your opinion (not fact based by the way), that Pickford comes anywhere near Southall in terms of consistent shot stopping, positional sense, ability at collecting crosses, distribution and general bravery.

Goalkeepers have always been sweepers. If not distributing with their feet, then verbally marshalling their defence. I could list a variety of them dating back to Gordon Banks or our own Gordon West when I first supported Everton.

You state it as a fact that Pickford is the best in the UK. How do you back that opinion up? The best keepers play for the teams placed highest in the league...Fact.

Les Callan
99 Posted 24/02/2023 at 11:56:18
Southall and Pickford. Absolutely no comparison.
Kevin Molloy
100 Posted 24/02/2023 at 12:19:17
I can't believe Bill has stuck himself into the middle of this. It's almost pathological. I remember when we signed Patterson, the guy at Rangers released a statement thanking Bill Kenwright for his support during the negotiations.
It does show though that Thelwell knows what side his bread is buttered on. Looks like Kev is another in a long line of yes men.
Phil Lewis
101 Posted 24/02/2023 at 12:28:46

Kenwright has always surrounded himself with yes men...and women.

It's how he operates, it's how he survives.

James Marshall
102 Posted 24/02/2023 at 12:44:09
You can't compare Southall with Pickford - the game is entirely different now and the role of a keeper has changed immeasurably.

Big Nev is my all-time footballing hero, given that I'm mostly Welsh (with a bit of English/Danish/Norwegian) an Evertonian since I was about 7, and an amateur level goalkeeper myself for many years. I won't hear a word said against the man, but if he played now would he be any good? You just can't tell because keepers now play a different game with different rules and a different skillset.

Pickford is one of the better modern day keepers out there - he may not be the best, but he's definitely one of the better goalkeepers around. You don't play consistently for Everton and England the way he has done if you're no good.

People have always slagged off goalkeepers - it's a thankless task (I was shouted at weekly for years by my own teammates) in the same way running the line is on a Sunday morning. All players make mistakes, but if you cock something up in midfield, by & large you get away with it - when the keeper arses things up it's the end of the world so you always get grief and nobody appreciates you fully.

Yes, I'm now wearing my goalkeepers union hat!

Phil Sammon
103 Posted 24/02/2023 at 12:45:14
I honestly can’t believe that line about ‘The Chairman’. Like Kevin (#100) says, it’s pathological. I don’t know quite why, but of all his terrible stunts this one rings as the most blatant attempt to paint himself as a hero, despite the evidence. If Jinping pops his clogs BK could step in, no worries.
Martin Mason
104 Posted 24/02/2023 at 12:58:50
Phil @98,

Yes and you're entitled to your opinion but remember it is just that and may have no basis in fact. As you offer nothing to back your opinion up, it actually has no value at all.

Opinions are not sacrosanct and can be and often are pushing the realms of the ridiculous. I didn't say that Pickford was as good as or better than Southall as I said they are not playing the same game but I saw Southall all of his time at Everton and Pickford too. I class them both as superb and equals given the way that the game has moved forward and changed.

Where are those statistics by the way? I don't accept your comment about goalies having always been sweepers, as they have to be today, there isn't a comparison in duties.

How do I back up that he's best in the UK? Possibly, just possibly, something to do with him being first choice?

"The best keepers are at the top of the league, fact?" What a load of unsubstantiated cobblers.

Come on, give our players credit where it's due and stop trying to big yourself up by demeaning them.

Anyway, I asked you to explain Pickford's weaknesses and explain your bizarre contention that he is anything other than superb. Opinions need to have a basis. Pickford not being superb has none.

I not only saw Southall but Banks and Gordon West too.

Paul Hewitt
105 Posted 24/02/2023 at 13:32:08
James@102. Big Nev could play in any era, he was that good. Never seen better, and never will.
Andy Crooks
106 Posted 24/02/2023 at 13:34:09
Pickford's howler that cost the derby game, and howler it was, fact, was way short of superb, Martin. Also, if opinions had no value at all, this would be a dull side indeed.
Facts are often quite dull. It get's dark at night here, FACT.
Everton play in Liverpool FACT
Pickford, in my opinion, has improved immensely. For a while he spread panic in the defence and among some supporters, my opinion that I contest has sound basis in reality but not a FACT like the examples I gave.
The condescending tone of this post is quite deliberate.
Rob Halligan
107 Posted 24/02/2023 at 14:07:11
Possibly the best news we’ve had in this nightmare of a season.
Phil Lewis
108 Posted 24/02/2023 at 14:15:52
Martin# 104

Here's a fact for you, he went down with Sunderland. There's every chance he'll do the same with us.

Every great team has a great goalkeeper, fact. He's had every chance to prove himself and for me falls short, even though I readily admitted, there has been improvement in his game. His England performances are judged mainly on a few penalty saves and have little relevance, it's the Premier League that finds players out. That is merely my opinion.

You would do well to understand the difference between fact and opinion.

If he was a great keeper, then some great team would have well been in for him by now. That's why he's been only too keen to pen this deal. Don't kid yourself otherwise.

Les Callan
109 Posted 24/02/2023 at 14:42:41
Sorry Martin but you did. At post 96 : “ I rate him as good as Southall “
Mike Price
110 Posted 24/02/2023 at 14:45:16
Phil, I agree with you completely. I’m not thrilled he’s signed, but lots of opposition fans are.

He rarely steals us a game, has good reactions but is not a particularly good shot stopper from distance, he never commands his box by claiming crosses because he’s not big enough. All of this affects the defence because he doesn’t relieve pressure and forces them deeper.

No one else made a serious move for him despite at least three of the big 6 needing a new keeper. That speaks volumes as well as opposition supporters being underwhelmed by the thought of signing him.

He owes a lot to Southgate because if it wasn’t for him he probably wouldn’t even make the England squad. That’s just my opinion by the way.

Dave Abrahams
111 Posted 24/02/2023 at 14:57:30
I think Pickford should be given a big thumbs up for signing a new contract, he could have refused to sign one and he would have made a lot of money as an out of contract player at the end of next season so that ranks as a good financial saving for the club.
Paul Cherrington
112 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:01:13
Great news for the club and should give morale in the dressing room a major boost for the remaining games. I agree with Dave @111- the player should be commended for sticking with us and showing loyalty, when he could easily have gone somewhere else for big money
Dale Self
113 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:03:33
Get right with Pickford as your number one. He has collected some unfair criticism for the dysfunctional defensive setup that sends double digit opportunities his way ecery match. Now we have a manager who will gear things to limit his exposure and typically yield to his strengths. Also he is just now ascending to his peak eelative to goalkeeper career trajectories.

So yeah let’s be bummed about him sugning. It’s not like that improves our negotiations or sets the basis for a return to European football competitions. Who needs that crap.

Dale Self
114 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:07:36
Btw Michael and Lyndon the popups are not behaving well at all. Iam cery careful to tap them out and they release a popup anyway. They could be better behaved it is the 21st century and this isn't AOL.
Ray Robinson
115 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:08:41
Phil #104. Pickford did indeed go down with Sunderland but Pope went down with Burnley and Ramsdale went down with Bournemouth AND Sheffield United. All three are England goalies, so what’s your point re relegation?

Sure Ramsdale and Pope joined high flying Arsenal and Newcastle respectively. Do you not think the likes of Spurs would sign Pickford given the chance?

Pickford certainly isn’t top top notch but he’s pretty good. And replacing him is not our first priority. He’s certainly nowhere Southall at his peak but, as others have stated, different times, different criteria.

Ray Robinson
116 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:08:41
Phil #104. Pickford did indeed go down with Sunderland but Pope went down with Burnley and Ramsdale went down with Bournemouth AND Sheffield United. All three are England goalies, so what’s your point re relegation?

Sure Ramsdale and Pope joined high flying Arsenal and Newcastle respectively. Do you not think the likes of Spurs would sign Pickford given the chance?

Pickford certainly isn’t top top notch but he’s pretty good. And replacing him is not our first priority. He’s certainly nowhere Southall at his peak but, as others have stated, different times, different criteria.

Kieran Kinsella
117 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:21:52

Are you having trouble on an Iphone? On mine if I go to ToffeeWeb homepage it immediately redirects me to a pop up and closes TW. I have to click comments or some other tab really quickly to prevent it from redirecting.

James Hughes
118 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:29:35
Dale, Kieran. I raised this issue a couple of days ago with Lyndon, so it's seems there are a few of us affected
Kieran Kinsella
119 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:32:16

Cheers. I was thinking it was just my phone

Phil Lewis
120 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:37:07

I was getting flak for not stating facts, so I simply stated one, re his relegation with Sunderland.

I really don't want to dwell on Pickford's merits or failings. I believe hed be easily replaced. The fact is he's one of our few sellable assets. The money could be spent on our main priority, a striker.

Yes the game has changed since the 80's for keepers mainly with the no back passing rule. But I've no doubt Southall would be every bit as good today as back then.

Bill Gall
121 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:44:07
Keepers are the most players who's mistakes are remembered more than any other player, he can make 4 great saves and 1 mistake can loose a game, that mistake will be remembered. Other players can make mistakes and other teammates can cover for them.
To me keepers are classed as Poor, Average, Above Average and Outstanding. Pickford is in the Above Average and I don't think he will make an Outstanding keeper and there are not many of them.
If Pickford was to leave we would be be left having to spend as much or more to get a better replacement and as our G/A average is better than a number of other clubs around us people are going more on his mistakes, than on his saves that have kept us in games for points.
I think his signing a new contract will help other players in the team as they all know his strengths and positioning, and like other players he is willing to stay and fight for the club.
Dale Self
122 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:51:33
James thanks for that and thanks Kieran for whining first.

Lyndon and Michael, complaint rescinded. Dont go slogging code for just a handful of us. I don’t know about the others but I am a retarded yank so this is what I get for trying to hang out with the cool Scouser kids. Keep it going!

Dale Self
123 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:54:04
Kieran yes An old SE so it could be me. The Dinosaur.
Nick Page
124 Posted 24/02/2023 at 15:54:10
"Since signing him in 2017, our Chairman has built a strong relationship with Jordan and his representatives, and this played a big and important part in us getting this new contract agreed. I'm sure that every Evertonian will be delighted to hear this news and excited to know that Jordan remains an integral part of our plan to move Everton forward."

Lucky for all us plebs that Kenwright was here to ensure Pickford signed a new contract. Phew!

Phil Lewis
125 Posted 24/02/2023 at 16:13:48
Bill #121,

Agreed, we would obviously have to sign a new keeper, but we would have cash to spare with Pickford's sale, plus the Gordon money, plus money from Juventus in the summer for Kean.

That total amount would get us a decent striker surely?

Phil Lewis
126 Posted 24/02/2023 at 16:17:02
There are positives to be had from Pickford signing. In the event of us being relegated, we would be better placed to demand a decent fee.
Jerome Shields
127 Posted 24/02/2023 at 16:18:14
Dyche has insisted that Everton come to an agreement with Pickford's representatives, even making his request public. Kenwright has been prevented from cashing in on Pickford's value, pursuing the same process of delay that has seen so many gone. In this case, he did not get away with it.

As for the quote press release in Nick's #124 post, that is just hogwash. What do they say about praise – 'self praise is no praise'.

Jerome Shields
128 Posted 24/02/2023 at 16:37:58
Glad Pickford has signed. Credit to Alan Kelly, the Everton goal keeping coach who has brought him well on over recent years.
Phil Lewis
129 Posted 24/02/2023 at 16:41:38
Mind you, no doubt the cash from Gordon's sale has gone on a compensation package for Lampard and his backroom staff.
Paul Hughes
130 Posted 24/02/2023 at 17:05:50
I just don't get all the negativity. Pickford has improved hugely over the last season or two, we no longer get the hot-headedness of his earlier days. Along with Richarlison, he kept us up last year, the save against Chelsea was one for the ages.

He made 2 or 3 worldies in the home game against Liverpool this season. His distribution is at least as good, if not better than anyone else in the Premier League. He is the undisputed England keeper, never made a mistake for them.

The other top keepers around the league have all dropped massive bollocks recently: Alisson, Pope, Ramsdale, etc. He is better than any of them.

So we have either got the best keeper around to re-sign for us long-term, or we can sell him for top dollar if the worst happens.

Dale Self
131 Posted 24/02/2023 at 17:06:27
And yet we are playing better football and appear to make more functional moves than in recent past.

Take your pick: thanks for leaving, Frank… or thanks for slapping some sense into them, Sean.

Kim Vivian
132 Posted 24/02/2023 at 17:53:14
I reckon that, in the last 12 months at least, Pickford has been worth more goals to us than our strikers combined. I'm pleased about this.
Ernie Baywood
133 Posted 24/02/2023 at 18:12:46
Phil, unless there's some kind of release fee clause in there? Kind of feels stupid not to have one from Pickford's perspective.
Bill Gall
134 Posted 24/02/2023 at 18:47:33
Phil #125,

Yes ,we may have money to buy a decent striker, but they don't save goals, come to think of it, most of them do not score either, depends on who is supplying them.

You still will have to buy a decent keeper and they don't come cheap, when clubs know you need them.

Phil Lewis
135 Posted 24/02/2023 at 19:46:33
Bill #134,

Take 2 steps back, Bill, and think about your statement.

Using that philosophy, the best you could hope for are 0-0 draws.

Robert Tressell
136 Posted 24/02/2023 at 20:00:57
Phil # 125, what does a decent striker look like to you?

20+ goals per season?

15+ goals per season?

10+ goals per season?

Looking at the top scorers across Europe its dominated by strikers like Kane etc who are well beyond us. Look at the tier below...

Ivan Toney has 14 in 21 games in a side that has patiently developed an attacking style around him and Mbeumo. Probably would cost £60m+ so out of our price range by some distance.

Ollie Watkins (Toney's predecessor at Brentford) has 7 in 22 and cost €34m 3 years ago. Would he leave Villa for us? And at what cost?

Maybe Jonathan David at Lille. He's got 15 in 23 but he's a short arse. Wouldn't suit Dyche. And cost Lille €27m 3 years ago.

Or maybe Folarin Balogun who has 16 in 25 for Reims on loan from Arsenal. He'd be about £20m+ but only scored 3 in 21 for Middlesbrough last season. Is he any good?

The reality is that it is exceptionally difficult to just buy a player who will get even 10+ goals in the Premier League. These players can be developed with patience, like Toney, but will generally not hit the ground running.

€80m Nunez has only 6 in 17 for the RS. He'll come good though unfortunately because he's a huge talent. But that was €80m!

It's much more likely that we'd sign someone like Gyökeres for about £20m and, because he's not amazing, he'd get between 8 and 12 goals. That would be his limit though. He's not going to improve.

Or we could get someone like young Wahi from Montpellier for the same price but he might get about 6 goals in his first season, but show the ability to get about 15 to 20 goals in time.

This is the market we're playing in due to our finances. Selling Pickford (like selling Richarlison) could very easily result in us becoming much worse.

Phil Lewis
137 Posted 24/02/2023 at 20:22:15
Robert #136,

I take your point regarding strikers, it's fair comment. But surely you're not suggesting that we don't need a striker? So it's up to our scouting system to scour the world of football and come up with goods. That's what they're paid for.

Fran Mitchell
138 Posted 24/02/2023 at 20:28:36
Pickford is as good as we can get, if we sell him, his replacement could be gash, there just aren't a massive supply of top level goalkeepers.

And so far, sell to buy has only resulted in a continuous steady decline for us.

A keeper, realistically, should only be sold if you already have the replacement in the squad. If you sell a keeper and then go into the market, any target will have their fee inflated as you're in a much weaker bargaining position. And it's not like we'd be an attractive move for any player either.

In terms of striking options, it's always a gamble – Newcastle spent £60M on Isak and he's been injured all season. Edouard at Palace was much talked about on here as someone we should target but he's not prolific in the slightest. Mitrovic has taken years to eventually become an effective Premier League striker. Armstrong was banging them in in the Championship but is out of his depth in the Premier League.

So any striker we get is going to be a risk - either a foreign import who may or may not settle or may need a long time to adapt, a punt from a lower division with the same issues, or an 'experienced' player past their best.

So we absolutely need to keep our best players like Pickford and hope for steady and intelligent moves for the rest of the squad.

John Raftery
139 Posted 24/02/2023 at 20:37:53
Scouting is the easy bit. Persuading players to come here is more difficult. Persuading their clubs to release them for a fee we can afford even more so.
Robert Tressell
140 Posted 24/02/2023 at 20:38:02
Yes Phil, I absolutely think we need to bring in new strikers / forwards.

We can probably get away with making do in other areas.

But in my view we should get someone young of genuine talent (like Almeria did when buying Nunez for €15M after an excellent showing in the World Youth Cup) and accept we may need to make do with Simms, Maupay and a not always fit Calvert-Lewin while that new guy beds in. It doesn't need to be foreign. It could be the likes of young Hugill at Man Utd if they'd be prepared to sell him.

With someone like that, we have to accept a meagre return initially. But like Brentford also showed with Toney, the patience can be rewarded.

Still, whatever, I would like to see happen it's very likely we'll sign Gyökeres.

Bill Gall
141 Posted 24/02/2023 at 20:40:43
Phil #135

Or if you sacrifice to a poorer keeper for a decent striker we could end up loosing 4--3.

The thing I notice about the premier, is the top six are always looking to strengthen their Keeper. I agree with we need a new striker but, I don't see the sense in strengthening 1 position by weakening an essential defensive position. We will not be that short of money for a new striker, finding one who will want to come is different.

Robert Tressell
142 Posted 24/02/2023 at 21:15:00
Bill #141.

What I notice about the Top 6 is that they have miles more money than everyone else. They strengthen every position, and every reserve position too.

If you pieced together our very best XI from the entire Premier League era, it would struggle to get in this season's Top 4.

It's probably good news that our very good keeper is (probably) staying but it will have an impact on our transfer kitty.

Personally, I think we'll be very short of money to rebuild in summer unless MSP invest heavily. Hopefully they do. But if we don't get that sort of investment, it wouldn't surprise me if we spend no more than about £25M in total (increased if we sell Branthwaite).

That buys one Gyökeres, a free transfer and maybe someone else for about £8M.

Daniel A Johnson
143 Posted 24/02/2023 at 22:38:46
I would place Pickford well below Southall and well below Nigel Martyn. But he's easily one of the top 5 keepers in the Premier League.

Dyche likes to build on solid foundations so getting the keeper sorted was a no-brainer for him, I guess.

Bobby Mallon
144 Posted 25/02/2023 at 06:18:17
Lee @5.

Stop wishing away our best players. It's what has got us in this mess in the first place.

Martin Mason
145 Posted 25/02/2023 at 07:08:28
There was another thing that makes comparison between Nev and Jordan impossible other than for goalkeepers it being a different game.

For years, Nev was in a superb Everton team while, for years, Jordan has been behind a tragically poor team that had the ball coming back to him from outfield like greased lightning. Pickford's distribution, which often involves 70-m passes, is for me unequalled in the Premier League. His domination of the area is exceptional and his shot-stopping second to none.

He flaps? All good goalies flap and that is because they are on a knife edge having to change direction and tactics like no other players have to.

He is a great keeper and I'm really glad he's staying. I'd say that I have seen him make one genuinely bad mistake rather than what his detractors would mark down as a mistake and that was the goal at Anfield. Otherwise, he has effectively kept us out of the Championship.

Sam Hoare
146 Posted 25/02/2023 at 08:55:39
I've been critical of Pickford for a while but he's been much improved over the last 18 months and was particularly good for the first third of this season.

I still don't think he's as good as many on here do and I'm not convinced his contributions would be so hard to replace but it's good he's signed a new contract and some stability in a key position is helpful.

Michael Kenrick
147 Posted 25/02/2023 at 09:47:28
I don't think this has been mentioned above but some sources suggest this deal puts him into the £100k-per-week category for us (plus bonuses). Which only seems reasonable in his case because he probably is our best player as well as being England Number 1 goalie despite all the negative talk.

It's perhaps even a little less than might be expected considering the earlier rumour that a figure of £200k pw is what supposedly caused the deal to stall. We can never know the truth when it comes to players' wages but there must be little doubt that, if he were to move to one of the Big 6, he could well command such a level of remuneration.

Can't say I feel a huge amount of love and affection for him personally but, if this stuff is even half-true, it suggests that there's at least a substantial element of club loyalty in his decision that I respect and appreciate.

Do it for us, Jordan!

Martin Mason
148 Posted 25/02/2023 at 10:16:52
I appreciate that people can have their opinions but what I haven't seen is a justification for those opinions.
Dave Abrahams
149 Posted 25/02/2023 at 10:24:11
Michael (147),

Your last paragraph sums up the way I feel about Pickford, a good goalkeeper and a very good shot stopper but with two or three flaws to go with them.

It would be interesting to see which clubs come in for him if he ever went on the transfer market but he seems to have done Everton a favour by agreeing a new contract when it was possible he might have got a lot more financially at the end of next season by not signing a new deal.

James Marshall
150 Posted 25/02/2023 at 10:27:50
People who slag off Pickford, are probably the same people who slated Lukaku, Mirallas, Phil Neville etc. Some people think about football like it's a game of FIFA on their Playstation using terms like 'upgrade' when talking about footballers.

It isn't a video game, you're talking about human beings with lives, feelings & families to consider. When you look back at players like Lukaku vs what we have now, you have to wonder whether these people will ever be happy. The criticism is exactly the same whether we're 6th or 16th.

Evertonians are passionate of course, but they're also extremely critical - you hear it in the ground, and you read it on here. It's part of the negative culture that's unfortunately fostered at the club for the past 30 years (maybe it was always there, but I only started going to Everton games in the late 80's).

As Martin points out - there's often a lot of criticism of players, but rarely any justification other than 'opinion'.

Michael Kenrick
151 Posted 25/02/2023 at 10:38:44

I think perhaps there's more shades of grey on this opinion-versus-fact spectrum.

In-between, there's things like "conclusions based on inference" and "suspicions based on rumours" – which for me leaves 'opinions' right at the end of the spectrum, often lacking any rational basis but just developed internally as an expression of how we feel.

This might be what helps differentiate us from ChatGPT…

[Uh-oh, I may have just inadvertently opened the floodgates to AI-generated posts swamping ToffeeWeb and crashing the server!!!]

Dave Abrahams
152 Posted 25/02/2023 at 10:43:21
James (150), I think most football fans are critical no matter who they support, you are correct football fans have always been critics as well as being avid supporters as well and I’ve followed the Blues for a long time.

Would you agree that some fans over hype some players, blow them up and are blind to their faults the same as some of us highlight their faults, sometimes going overboard but sometimes with constructive criticism?

From 3-00pm until 5-00pm today I hope we all get behind the team and we are celebrating another win at the end of the game although I know before I go to the game I will be cursing a couple of players for lack of I what see as lack of commitment and effort, I hope they prove me wrong today.

Michael Kenrick
153 Posted 25/02/2023 at 10:51:49
Jordan Pickford is an integral part of Everton's squad, and he has been the club's first-choice goalkeeper since he joined in 2017. He has played a crucial role in some of Everton's important victories, including the recent win against Liverpool in the Merseyside derby. Pickford has also been a regular member of the England national team and was an instrumental part of the team that reached the semi-finals of the 2018 World Cup.

However, it's worth noting that Pickford's performances have been inconsistent at times, and he has made some high-profile errors in the past. This has led to criticism from some fans and pundits, and there have been calls for Everton to look for a more reliable goalkeeper.

Regarding the contract extension, some Everton fans might be pleased that the club has secured one of its key players for the long term. A 4½-year contract is a significant commitment, and it shows that Everton values Pickford's contributions to the team. However, the reported salary of £100k per week is quite high and might be seen as excessive by some fans, especially given Pickford's occasional lapses in form.

Overall, the reaction of an Everton fan to Pickford's contract extension would likely depend on their individual opinion of the player and his performances. Some might see it as a positive move that secures the club's future, while others might have concerns about the high salary and Pickford's inconsistency.

Hmmm... ChatGPT may have been reading this thread already!

Martin Mason
154 Posted 25/02/2023 at 10:52:31

An apt description of opinions that I once read and please excuse the language but it's Opinions are like kids and farts, OK if they are your own.

Michael Kenrick
155 Posted 25/02/2023 at 10:56:31

I think you've just revealed to us in a nutshell exactly why you have no respect for anybody else's opinion except your own.

Thank you.

James Marshall
156 Posted 25/02/2023 at 10:58:02

Yeah that's a fair point - obviously none of us follow other teams as closely as we do Everton so it could well be the same at all clubs. Maybe that's just the thought process of all football fans.

Paul Tran
157 Posted 25/02/2023 at 11:10:28
I've been a big critic of Pickford. Always been a good shot-stopper, while being a bit weak/erratic mentally. Seeing a sports psychologist clearly made a difference. He seems to concentrate better and makes fewer clear errors. Thanks Carlo!

Great that he's signed. I suspect the club is keeping its options open - new contracts are often about protecting the value of a sellable asset as much as keeping the player.

Tony Abrahams
158 Posted 25/02/2023 at 12:09:39
If a right back hits ten passes out of play, then gets it right on his eleventh go, then his distribution is absolutely shite. Pickford does the same and he has no equal with regards his distribution?

It’s obvious Pickford is better than most goalkeepers with the ball at his feet, but this can sometimes interfere with the way the team play, when our goalkeeper thinks he’s the playmaker!

Martin Mason
159 Posted 25/02/2023 at 12:55:22
Simple Tony, he's hitting it far further with hand and foot and with many more variations than a right back would. The right back will be operating with a tiny range of passes compared with a modern keeper who has the whole pitch in front of him. Pickford is a superb keeper and total shame on you Blues who slag him off. I ask again, quantify his weaknesses not state football fan opinion as fact.
Dave Abrahams
160 Posted 25/02/2023 at 13:06:17
Martin (159)True Martin, Pickford is hitting them further than a right back, quite a few of them are going right through to the opposition goalie, others into the crowd in the family enclose or The Bullens Road side of the crowd but some are going to Everton players being fair.

I haven’t noticed the excellence of him dominating the penalty area to be honest, when did that start?

Martin Mason
161 Posted 25/02/2023 at 13:48:42
Dave@160 It never started, it was an inherent strength.
Dave Abrahams
162 Posted 25/02/2023 at 13:51:46
Martin ( 161) Yeh right, I hope he uses it today!!
Andy Crooks
163 Posted 25/02/2023 at 14:18:26
Martin@ 161, that is my favourite, "Martin", post. Cap doffed.
Phil Gardner
164 Posted 25/02/2023 at 14:18:59
Dave, whilst I respect your opinion I have to say that Martin is spot on. Comparing a goalkeeper’s pass accuracy with an outfield player’s is just daft, especially when you consider that now, Dyche wants Pickford to play longer balls. A goalkeeper kicks or passes a ball, usually when most outfield players are marked up or the opposition are in ‘formation.’ An outfield player like, say Coady, can make his first five passes sideways or backwards and can have a 100% pass accuracy. You’re comparing apples and oranges I’m afraid.
Dave Abrahams
165 Posted 25/02/2023 at 14:30:35
Phil (164), No I’m not comparing his passes with nothing passes which the ones like defenders are, I’m looking at Pickford’s accuracy and they are not very good most of the time with plenty of time to spare making them, how about Jordan dominating the penalty area? Do you agree with that statement?
Alan J Thompson
166 Posted 25/02/2023 at 14:38:10
People criticizing Pickford's distribution! Next you'll be saying we should play it out through the back four starting with standing at either corner of our 6 yard box when we have a goal kick. Well we tried that and either the back four couldn't manage it or our midfield was nowhere to be found and when we did that then four passes later it was back with Pickford.
Don't blame one man when it's the whole shit show that needs improving.
Dave Abrahams
167 Posted 25/02/2023 at 18:29:01
Alan (166)Nobody’s blaming Pickford we are debating how good his distributiion is, we all know how poor playing out from the back has been, Dyche ditched that as soon as he got here.
Phil Sammon
168 Posted 25/02/2023 at 23:11:56
Made one truly excellent save and another very good one. His kicking was awful though.

This theory that a keeper has to carry out a wider range of passing than a right back is utter bullshit. All we want him to do is kick it up the pitch and it to stay in the field of play.

I like Pickford and I’m happy he’s signed a new contract, but I don’t know how anyone can defend his distribution. It’s shite.

Eric Myles
169 Posted 26/02/2023 at 00:51:22
I don't think it's a high salary considering Pickford's calibre and the higher amounts we've paid some of the dross we've had.
Phil Gardner
170 Posted 26/02/2023 at 09:49:15
Dave (165). Absolutely not. One thing he most definitely isn’t is a commanding keeper around the six yard box. He’s a shotstopper (which he sometimes dramatises) and CAN be excellent with his feet (well…left one only actually.) Is he worth £100k/week? Probably in this lunatic football world. On the upside, he’s 28 years old which, as a keeper, means he’s not reached his peak yet and should get better and perhaps, less rash than he’s been in the past.

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