Police investigate removal of Kenwright's image from Everton Timeline

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Merseyside Police are investigating the removal of Kenwright's image from Everton Timeline. The image is thought to have been stolen at around 10:15 pm on Friday, 10 March.

The missing section is part of the club storyline that runs around the outside of Goodison Park. It featured an image of Chairman Bil Kenwright and referenced the takeover of the club by his True Blue Holdings consortium in 1999.

The incident is thought to have taken place on the eve of the match with Brentford, which Kenwright did not attend. He and other members of the board have not been at an Everton home game since the defeat to Brighton and Hove Albion in early January.

Before the Brentford game, another march took place by supporters and campaigners calling for changes to how the club is run with Everton mired in a second relegation battle in consecutive seasons.

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On Friday, the campaign group NSNOW, which has urged majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri to make changes to the board, issued an open letter to non-executive director Graeme Sharp in which it called on him to use his influence to inspire change.

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Kieran Kinsella
1 Posted 13/03/2023 at 14:47:32
I can't imagine Man Utd having a portrait of Martin Edwards outside. What a vainglorious buffoon he is.
Brian Wilkinson
2 Posted 13/03/2023 at 15:06:43
Gets a thumbs up from me, whoever did it.
Alan Johnson
3 Posted 13/03/2023 at 15:07:54
Bill Kenwright photo vandalised by three people. Sounds like another Headlockgate.

@Alan Myers

Merseyside Police said: “We are aware that a section of the ‘Everton Timeline’ was stolen from Goodison Park at around 10.15pm on Friday 10 March. We are liaising with Everton Football Club to help identify anyone involved and our enquiries are ongoing.”

Dave Abrahams
4 Posted 13/03/2023 at 15:21:48
Kieran (1)

Honestly just thinking before I read your post, is there a photo of John Moores in that parade of photos around Goodison?

I remember me and Andy Crooks took a walk right around the ground before one game. I'm not sure if there is a photo of the man who put his money where his mouth was and truly financed Everton FC (and to a certain extent Liverpool FC as well).

Barry McNally
5 Posted 13/03/2023 at 15:23:20
Maybe it was Bill trying to save face.

I'll get my coat.

Alan J Thompson
6 Posted 13/03/2023 at 15:49:39
It may be a case of the board having gone out in sympathy with the Board and the bored.

Was anybody seen running down the road with it in a headlock? What, not again?

Does anyone know if the Board have given their seats for use by EitC, or would that be making the wrong point?

Dave Abrahams
7 Posted 13/03/2023 at 15:57:31
Alan (5),

Looking across from The Bullens Road, it looked like only two seats were vacant on Saturday.

Will Mabon
8 Posted 13/03/2023 at 16:04:36
Took a while.

Damage is not the best course of action though.

Martin Mason
9 Posted 13/03/2023 at 16:05:57
These people embarrass me. Everton activists? Not in my name they aren't.
Tony Abrahams
10 Posted 13/03/2023 at 16:11:07
Brilliant Martin, you have a great gift for being hilarious even when you are not trying to be, mate
Danny O’Neill
11 Posted 13/03/2023 at 16:18:10
I was in the Winslow after the match listening to the supporters belting out "I guess that's why they call it the blues" amongst all the other Everton songs.

Fantastic stuff.

I had to head off into town and caught the 18:43 to Euston, not wanting to risk the last train escapades I've had previously.

So looking at the suspected timeline, it wasn't me, Gov.

I can't vouch for Brian Murray though!!

On a serious note, whether we agree or not, it further demonstrates that the relationship between supporters and board is damaged beyond repair.

Brian, see you at the next one.

Jerome Shields
12 Posted 13/03/2023 at 16:32:09
Someone has taken the removal of the board literally. I notice the police were called in to investigate.

Denise must be devastated that they were not called to investigate her head being put in a lock.

David Currie
13 Posted 13/03/2023 at 17:17:34
Great news, should never have been up there.
Tony Abrahams
14 Posted 13/03/2023 at 17:23:34
His smug face sitting above the ticket office, was a picture that used to make me feel very nauseous, so praise to The Activists of Goodison Road! 😀☺️
Kieran Kinsella
15 Posted 13/03/2023 at 17:26:20
The Old Bill will have to open a special Everton crime division between this, headlocks, threats, people chasing cars.

Luckily they have lots of free time and resources as Merseyside is otherwise virtually crime free.

Billy Bradshaw
16 Posted 13/03/2023 at 17:31:24

I think there is a photo of Sor John Moores on the Everton Timeline — it's on the Gwladys Street end, if I'm correct.

Lenny Fisher
17 Posted 13/03/2023 at 17:42:31
Can we fill the space with a pic of our gaffer, Sean…??

THANK GOD FOR SEAN… Our saviour.

Eric Haworth
18 Posted 13/03/2023 at 17:54:34
Glad to see Kenwright ensuring Everton maintain the same highest possible standards in applying a duty of care to their employees, as they do to the general management of the club as a whole.

The male chairman's picture is removed from outside the ground in Goodison Road (caught on CCTV) and it's immediately deemed serious enough to refer the matter to the Police, and is subject to an ongoing investigation.

The female CEO is subject to an aggravated assault within her place of work (and not caught on any CCTV). But at the time, and in the days and weeks after, it was deemed not serious enough to refer the matter to the Police, and nothing further is being done.

I think we'd all be similarly impressed with an employer who held our wives in such high regard, and prioritised their safety within their place of work to that of the removal of a picture in the street.

Although we can comfort ourselves in the knowledge that Kenwright ensured they received equal priority in both stories being released hours before a home fixture via his favoured media luvvies. Keep it up, Bill.

Mark Ryan
19 Posted 13/03/2023 at 18:36:31
Perhaps the same person who put Denise in a headlock has got Bills fizzhog in the same vice-like grip.

I was watching an interview the other week and I was reading the blue diatribe scripted onto one of the walls inside Finch Farm in large typeface, it goes something like "and when you pull on the royal blue shirt guff guff guff" and then you see it is attributed to Bill Kenwright and I thought to myself then, his grubby fat fingers have been forced into the very fabric of the club by the egotistical mad man himself.

I hope to God that I one day see that Bramley-Moore Dockis a Kenwright Free Zone.

I don't applaud vandalising the Timeline because I love that Timeline but actually I'm glad it's been done and I hope it's replaced with perhaps the face of a player or a famous fan or at the very least someone who has done something worthwhile for the club and not Kenwright.

David Currie
20 Posted 13/03/2023 at 18:47:59
Mark 18,

How about replacing it with a picture of Sir John Moores with the words 'Proper Chairman' under his picture.

Brian Wilkinson
21 Posted 13/03/2023 at 18:48:20
Replace it with a photo of Speedo Mick.
Jay Harris
22 Posted 13/03/2023 at 19:04:04
Pity they didn't take the real Bill Kenwriht and drop him back in London where he belongs.
Tony Abrahams
23 Posted 13/03/2023 at 19:05:39
Eric @17, you genuinely couldn't make it up, could you. Inform the police over the removal of a smug picture, but don't go to the police about a female member of staff being put in a headlock.

We have been ran by an inept, egotistical, nepotistic chancer, for years, and even his biggest fans, must surely realise he has kidded the life out of them for years.

Hurry up Bill, just fuck off and let us begin to become a proper professional football club, once again.💙

Tony Everan
24 Posted 13/03/2023 at 19:05:51
Good work, lads, and tell Mi5 not to spend too much taxpayers cash on the investigation.

Put a photo of Calvert-Lewin up there, so we remember what he looks like.

Joe McMahon
25 Posted 13/03/2023 at 19:05:59
Lenny, the painted mural of Dyche in Burnley was brilliant. I think even better than the Ian Curtis mural.
Colin Glassar
26 Posted 13/03/2023 at 19:09:21
Whoever did it, give them a medal. That man should never be allowed near Goodison ever again.
Clive Rogers
27 Posted 13/03/2023 at 19:20:44
Bet someone’s put it over his fireplace to keep little kids away.
Dennis Stevens
28 Posted 13/03/2023 at 19:23:39
Kenwright's probably got the image hanging up on his lounge wall!
Ian Bennett
29 Posted 13/03/2023 at 19:48:41
Well that's ruined the leaving present for him..
David Currie
30 Posted 13/03/2023 at 20:18:41
Colin 25,

Whoever did it, give him Bill's empty seat in the Director's Box.

Rob Halligan
31 Posted 13/03/2023 at 20:21:33
FFS, whoever stole it give it back, otherwise we will all be getting a summons to appear in court, for the theft of a bloody picture!
Neil Copeland
32 Posted 13/03/2023 at 20:23:15
Graeme Sharp has it pinned to his bedroom ceiling.

Brian #20, actually that is a very good call.

Neil Copeland
33 Posted 13/03/2023 at 20:25:10
Rob #30, I’m Spartacus……
Brent Stephens
34 Posted 13/03/2023 at 20:28:09
"The theft of Bill's image is a more serious offence than the theft of our club"

Discuss in no more than 2 words. At least one must start with "F".

Probably being used as a dartboard somewhere?

Rob Halligan
35 Posted 13/03/2023 at 20:31:58
Neil, maybe get a replacement put up until the real one is returned………….


Ian Horan
36 Posted 13/03/2023 at 20:33:28
I hope it's the BM developer – it can be reused as a splashback for the gents urinals!!!!

Hope it's not fitted too high up though as I only have little legs, because if we run out of toilet paper I will need somewhere to wipe my arse!!!

Neil Copeland
37 Posted 13/03/2023 at 20:37:04
Rob, love it, ha ha.
Ray Jacques
38 Posted 13/03/2023 at 20:59:17
Good, if he hasn't got the balls to show his face at the match or the decency to speak to supporters then why should we have to celebrate his photo?
Barry Rathbone
39 Posted 13/03/2023 at 22:12:47
If it's not the club it's all very scally-like
Barry Hesketh
40 Posted 13/03/2023 at 22:20:56
I think we might see the stolen picture hoisted aloft at Anfield in the not too distant future? Unless, the club is so hard-up that it has had to start selling off its artwork.
John Pickles
41 Posted 13/03/2023 at 22:46:15
Whoever took it should send Bill a ransom note. Safe return in exchange for the Arteta money.
Pete Clarke
42 Posted 13/03/2023 at 23:05:12
Given that he has moved out it’s only fitting that his furniture and photos are now removed anyway.
King Jong Bill. Dictator of Everton Football Club. That’s how he saw himself and i’m happy to see it falling apart on him and If he’s a true blue then this will hurt him. The horrible lying git.
He actually thinks in his own wretched mind that he’s been some kind of savior for this club of ours when in fact the opposite is true because he’s almost destroyed us. Get out and don’t come back.
James Marshall
43 Posted 13/03/2023 at 23:23:31

They also named a pub after Dyche in Burnley


Alan J Thompson
44 Posted 14/03/2023 at 05:39:59
Has it crossed anybody's mind that this wasn't an act of vandalism but was taken by one of Bill's admirers? There's a lot of sick people out there, ya know.
Jerome Shields
45 Posted 14/03/2023 at 06:52:24

Quite a few people have been fooled for years that he has some,It is all part of the persona he has cultivated.To put his protrait over the ticket office and his quotes on the walls of Finch Farm shows the obsessive thinking that has gone into trying to control the Club by Kenwright.It permeates every decision that the Club has made and even appears as countering the decisions that have not gone his way.

The reaction to the rise of NSNOW and the continued attitude to it,the boycotting of the attendance at the home game given Everton current situation( using false allegations against fans to justify), the underlying attitude to Moshiri search for a new investor / changes to the Board, the perennial small Board / avoidance of governance, and the continuous deafening silence of the Board for years during difficult patches.

-The arrogance is unbelievable. There is absolutely no genuine relationship with any Fan or a hint of sharing any of their dreams and hopes.Kenwright's reign has been a litany of Meaness from beginning ,to it's hopefully soon preultimate end.

Pete Neilson
46 Posted 14/03/2023 at 08:05:27
Hopefully it’ll be back in place before the Spurs game but now showing Tommy Steele and Elvis, arms around Bill’s shoulders.
Dermot O'Brien
47 Posted 14/03/2023 at 08:51:11
The fact that he has a picture of himself up there in the first place, just speak volumes of the narcisstic slug he is. And he has his quotes in finch farm? What?
The police must be getting sick of the shit coming from the club. I can see Bill talking to the police outside the ground:
- Hey, man, are you gonna find these guys? Or, you know, I mean... You got any promising leads or...
- Leads? Yeah. Sure.
- I'll just check with the boys down at the crime lab. They got four more detectives working on the case. They got us working in shifts!
Danny O’Neill
49 Posted 14/03/2023 at 10:31:39
I never take much notice of that timeline thing. I glance at it occasionally, but don't really study it too much, so never noticed the Kenwright board / photo.

All I would say, is given the height from my often clouded match day memories of walking down Goodison Road, Saturday included, that surely was some dedicated effort given the height. Almost a professional job. Respect.

Maybe it wasn't the supporters. Maybe the club took it down. Maybe it's a sign (no pun intended) of things to come?

Maybe that's just wishful thinking.

Once again, we're going to be painted as the villains. As others have said, report the taking down of a sign as vandalism yet don't report an alleged assault on a female.

Honestly, we can't make this stuff up. Well, they can obviously.

So, a group of supporters, yes supporters, not criminals, may have taken that down. Then with a combination of the marches and momentum that is gathering even in the nationals, if Mr Moshiri can't see what is on the end of his nose, then he really is more naive that I thought. He has been for most of his tenure with regards to trusting people who are out of their depth to run a club the size of Everton Football Club.

I hope they stay away from Stamford Bridge on Saturday. We'll do this on our own with the team and the manager.

Eric Haworth
50 Posted 14/03/2023 at 10:48:41
Tony #23 Whether intended or not you’ve got right to the crux of the sorry state of our club, with your very first sentence “you couldn’t make it up” - because it’s TRUST,,,, or lack of?

There was a time when an official statement from our club was unquestioned, and why shouldn’t it be, it’s OUR CLUB & it’s official? But it seems that during Mr. Kenwright’s tenure, all this seems to have changed. It’s entirely possible that his personal definition of the TRUTH has been somewhat tainted by the make-believe world which he operates in his “day job”? However, we’ve been cursed by his example, and these decline in standards seem to have cascaded through the whole club, leaving us with all the substance of one of the “ring-masters” west end shows?

The clubs veracity has been well and truly tested within these pages over “Headlock-gate”. But the first I heard about the latest episode was on entering the Wilmslow before Saturdays game.

It was obviously one of the main topics of conversation, and we engaged in a conversation with a builder who went to great lengths to explain to us the complications involved in removing the panel in question, which he’d closely inspected and in his opinion it hadn’t just been ripped down by vandals but was a professional job? He said there was no hint of damage and all the supports & brackets had been neatly removed as well. In fact he suggested they should register themselves on Checkatrader?

However, it goes further, because another group we were standing next to were engaged in a conversation to the effect that the Wilmslow’s own CCTV missed all the alleged events of the previous night?

Now I don’t necessarily subscribe to any of the conspiracy theories surrounding either of these alleged incidents, and don’t suggest others should either. I personally choose to sit very comfortably on the fence on both, given there are more important things going on in the world.

But how sad that we’ve been driven to a point we’re we even feel it necessary to question and debate the veracity of our own club regarding their version of such incidents.

After all they were official statements issued by our club, they must be true,,,,,,mustn’t they??????


Danny O’Neill
51 Posted 14/03/2023 at 12:07:58
Quality Eric!!
Ian Sephton
52 Posted 14/03/2023 at 12:30:18
Maybe it’s hanging on the wall of Kenwright Towers and being used as a mirror because the old mirror is no longer giving him the reflection he craves, neither physically nor ethically?
Will Mabon
53 Posted 14/03/2023 at 12:31:57
I'm waiting for it to reappear and feature in some setting or other. We could be in for a real laugh.
Rob Halligan
54 Posted 14/03/2023 at 12:40:24
Will, it’s a long wait for 5th November.
Dave Abrahams
55 Posted 14/03/2023 at 13:20:36
Billy (16) Thanks for that.

Eric (50), good post Eric, it’s pathetic the way Thingy is so in love with himself and what he perceives he has done fot Everton FC, the reality is through him and the way he run the club Everton FC are in a very bad shape throughout the club from the Academy to the first team squad, the moral is poor but improving since Sean Dyche has taken over running the way the team performs on the field and the efforts of him and his coaches to get the players to a better standard of fitness and learning to adapt to the way he wants them to play.

The club though basically is just a shell of a business through the incompetence of one man’s vanity, the whole way the football side of the club has been shaped for the last twenty five or more years has come to what we have seen come to head in the last two years, a shambling desperate state of fighting to stay in the premier league.

There has been no joy in going to Goodison Park to watch our games, worse for the absolutely brilliant fans who travel away, we have been given a lift in the last couple of months, hopefully we can stay up and start a complete rebuild of how the club goes from here and the withdrawal of Thingy and those he has appointed who have stood by and watched the collapse, nearly, of our club and we can slowly get back to being acknowledge as a top club once again.

Will Mabon
56 Posted 14/03/2023 at 13:26:58
I'll be here, Rob.
Mark Ryan
57 Posted 14/03/2023 at 13:34:23
Would love to know that someone has it saved to go on a Guy for bommy night this November 5th ha ha. Class !!
The Police should actually be investigating Kenwrights INCLUSION in the timeline, not investigating its removal
Its Fraud !!
Matthew Williams
58 Posted 14/03/2023 at 14:17:29
To me, this isn't even a crime in the first place. I just wish the real thing could be so easy to be removed too!

A fucking fraud of a man.

Tony Abrahams
59 Posted 14/03/2023 at 14:34:28
The success of Everton as a football club had already stopped before Bill Kenwright took over and changed the direction of our football club. We went from being a club that competed to win and changed into being a very mediocre club who were only realistically interested in surviving in the Premier League.

He created a new narrative and invented a glass ceiling; both of them never involved trying to bring silverware into our football club.

He's nearly gone, he's never had my trust, but thankfully even the people who once trusted Bill Kenwright now seem to be very thin on the ground.

He nearly played the perfect game but his overconfidence in believing he could trick enough of the fanbase just one more time badly backfired. Although his legacy would have one day been found out to be one of being more concerned about himself rather than the football club, he should still be encouraging Patsy Sharp to keep his deserved legacy because of what he achieved on the field of play at a time when Everton were truly great.

Speak up, Sharpy, because your silence is unnecessary. It's disrespectful, and it's unfortunately going to leave a terrible stain on your name if you don't engage with the thousands of Evertonians who have asked for you to speak.

Mike Gaynes
60 Posted 14/03/2023 at 14:48:10
Just read this as I got up this morning, and had an inappropriate reaction.

I busted out laughing, thinking how many ToffeeWebbers will need to have alibis for Friday night.

James Hughes
61 Posted 14/03/2023 at 14:56:32
Tony A,

All I can say is that the UK has the highest number of CCTV cameras in Europe. Goodison Park apparently none: no footage of the Denise Barrett-Baxendale headlock and now this missing panel.

I think the board need to call Miss Marple, there's is bound to be a link somewhere.

Danny O’Neill
62 Posted 14/03/2023 at 15:02:54

All 37,000 of us were in the Winslow, Brick, Hot Wok, Royal Oak, Spellow, Dark House, Saddle and countless other establishments around Conty Road singing various Everton tunes.

My favourite was Elton's I guess that's why they call it the Blues in the Winslow.

Very emotional but uplifting.

The entire place singing. We're not be out of the woods just yet, but you can sense the difference in the mood of the supporters. Let's take to Stamford Bridge.

To you point Mike. Our Alibi is that we were in the pub(s) singing.

Nothing to see here!

Rob Halligan
63 Posted 14/03/2023 at 15:05:52
Mark # 57… that's not an admission of guilt on my behalf, by the way. I've no idea where it is! 🤫🤫🤫
Will Mabon
64 Posted 14/03/2023 at 15:08:42
I can see the CCTV footage, when it surfaces, being locked away for 75 years.
Barry Hesketh
65 Posted 14/03/2023 at 15:12:58
It won't be too difficult to replace, there are loads of vintage photos of Bill Kenwright for sale on eBay for less than 20 quid, strangely they are all being sold by someone in Iceland (the country – not the supermarket).
Duncan McDine
66 Posted 14/03/2023 at 15:31:27

“I never take much notice of that timeline thing.”

That would explain why your alibi is almost 24 hours after the incident took place. 😆

Ian Pilkington
67 Posted 14/03/2023 at 16:52:16
Kenwright will surely never be seen in person at the ground again and now we won’t have to see his image outside it either.

Whoever they were, excellent work.

Mark Ryan
68 Posted 14/03/2023 at 19:32:21
Rob @ 63,

It would be great to see some little kid pushing it along Goodison Road in a wheel barrow this November 5th with a pair of Papier Mache DBB legs in striped stockings attached to its little fat body.

The choice of any bevvy would be my shout! even if that's a pint of Glayva Whiskey Liqueur .😉 How funny would that be !!

Ray Jacques
70 Posted 14/03/2023 at 20:40:28
Thought the timeline was a record of our success through the last 140 off years, so why is he up there as he is associated in the most barren spell in our history. What's to celebrate?
Will Mabon
71 Posted 14/03/2023 at 20:57:23

the incumbents get to write the history.

Tony Everan
72 Posted 14/03/2023 at 22:54:47
Ray, good point… nothing!

So the blank space tells the story of Kenwright's tenure far more accurately than his preening photograph ever did.

Russelll Smith
73 Posted 15/03/2023 at 00:06:21
Maybe it will be replaced by a “banksy” showing Bill in a hooped jumper with his blue “swag bag” over his shoulder.
Mark Ryan
74 Posted 15/03/2023 at 07:47:40
He'll get a piece written about how he is being unfairly hounded out of the club, a club where he spent his youth wearing the Royal blue this, the Dixie that, the Kendall this, the Rooney that… blah blah.

It’s a scam. Why was the image not just spray painted? Far more likely it’s all part of a scam to try to win hearts over minds. Best we don't fall for it.

Tony Abrahams
75 Posted 15/03/2023 at 08:29:59
It got spray-painted last year, but was soon cleaned up or replaced, Mark.

As for trying to give one of his stories, I personally think he's better keeping his private life similar to how our club is currently getting run and complete silence might serve William Kenwright better than trying to tell more lies?

Pete Neilson
76 Posted 15/03/2023 at 08:47:49
Off the top of my head, Blackburn and Leicester have statues to previous chairmen, both cases understandable.

I can't think of any other examples of a chairman being celebrated with a display outside the ground. Are there any?

Mark Ryan
77 Posted 15/03/2023 at 09:09:35
Cheers, Tony, I wasn't aware of that
Tony Abrahams
78 Posted 15/03/2023 at 09:23:54
The last time I went the ticket office, there was a fella with a ladder, painting one of the houses opposite, and I said to him, “If I would have been at a different stage in my life, I'd have been asking to lend his ladders to remove the picture of the smug bastard above the Everton ticket office.”

He smiled and said “There's camera's all over the place, but it's not a bad idea though.”

“I just keep my head down nowadays” I replied, “because every time I look up and see that bastard, I feel completely sick”

Hopefully we don't have long left, but say it in a whisper, because things have gone very, very quiet lately, and don't forget to tell Graeme Sharp to shut up!

Michael Lynch
79 Posted 15/03/2023 at 09:29:51
What I don't understand is why Moshiri hasn't got rid of Kenwright? It's his club, he knows the fans would back him if he did it, and he could appoint one of his mates in his place.

I assume Moshiri is happy to have Bill as the scapegoat, taking the pressure off him while he gets on with building the stadium and trying to raise some dough, but I'm not sure that would outweigh the benefits of ditching him.

With Thelwell on board, it does appear (though of course we have no way of confirming this) that both Moshiri and Kenwright have stepped back slightly when it comes to recruitment. After all, Rafa was entirely Moshiri's choice (supposedly), whereas it doesn't sound like he was as influential in the choice of Dyche, and Bill until recently was running the player acquisition side of things (according to other clubs), but it's now Thelwell.

I'd like to think Moshiri has a plan, and that plan includes what to do with Bill, but as his business experience seems to consist of being Usmanov's bagman, I have my doubts.

Kenwright loves the club, of that I have no doubt, but he loves being at the centre of it even more. It's clearly become unhealthy both for him and the club, but it's up to Moshiri to grow a pair and do something about it.

Tony Abrahams
80 Posted 15/03/2023 at 09:49:21
When did Kenwright stop running the player acquisition side of things, Michael?

I'm smiling, I'm being a little bit facetious, but only because we never acquired any new players in January and the way Anthony Gordon left Everton had very similar parallels with the way both Franny Jeffers and Wayne Rooney left.

I've heard very recently from someone who was on the inside that the club is an absolute basket case. The man who has just left for Man Utd leaves us another good man down and, looking at it logically, Moshiri is possibly the worst owner Everton Football Club have ever had.

(How could he leave such a self-centered, egotistical, nepotistic man in charge? – Speculate!)

The contradiction is the wonderful new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, being built on an iconic waterfront. But the other side of our football club is completely rudderless, aside from the new manager who his slowly breathing new life into us whilst also giving us back a belief that was drowning in the water besides our new ground.

Danny O’Neill
81 Posted 15/03/2023 at 10:00:13
Michael @79,

That was a great post until your last paragraph.

I have devoted my life to following Everton. As a season ticket holder, watching from afar in unsociable time zones on TV and now being able to travel all over the country home and away to watch them.

I love Everton regardless of what they put me through. They are a very important part of my life, second only to family. They always have been and always will be.

But I don't buy that Bill loves Everton as I do. He can't.

If he did, he would have realised years ago that he wasn't succeeding, should have done the decent thing and gone gracefully. I would have done, because the club means more to me than myself.

I don't think Bill has applied that concept or mindset. It's all been about him and his train set.

He can be the supporter he claims to be by all means. But now his actions, and clinging on and the accusations at those who religiously follow and support this club to the hilt, have set his legacy and will result in him probably never being able to stand amongst us true Evertonians in person again.

I'll be at Stamford Bridge on Saturday. I hope he isn't. He could donate his seat to a proper supporter struggling for a ticket.

Tony Abrahams
82 Posted 15/03/2023 at 10:00:46
I remember Marcel Brands telling us that money made people lazy.

I remember him telling us how he held his nerve to sign Mina.

I remember him telling Moise Kean's mother, how Everton would look after her boy.

I remember him asking an irate fan, does he think it's just the players' fault?

And then I remember him getting his P45 in the days that followed.

He never told us much though, Brands, because it seems like it's better to take your money and remain silent whilst being employed by Everton. But suddenly he's telling the world how Man Utd could have signed much better players than Anthony for less than half the price!

This is the shite we have had to endure for years. Silent people full of their own importance but, once you hear them speak, you suddenly understand why silence works for them.

Tony Abrahams
83 Posted 15/03/2023 at 10:06:37
That's Bill Kenwright's, one true legacy in a nutshell, Danny.

I just wish the masses could have woken up to the man's intentions before he was allowed to put a glass ceiling on how the club began to compete.

Christopher Timmins
84 Posted 15/03/2023 at 10:32:58
Surely the police have better things to be doing with their time.
Tony Abrahams
85 Posted 15/03/2023 at 12:29:22
My son is off school because his teachers are on strike so I'm a bit bored today and thought I'd sing a song for the soon-to-be departed Saviour:

Singing, you have been, you have been removed.
You have been, you have been removed.
And to the man who only contributed lies & shite. “Goodnight!”
You have been removed!

Farewell, Bill, watching your removal will finally give me some good times.

Brendan McLaughlin
86 Posted 15/03/2023 at 12:30:15
Michael #79,

The reason Blue Bill retains the Chair is because Moshiri doesn't believe that there is necessarily a link between a competent Board and success on the pitch. Early in his tenure, Moshiri stated that his role was to deliver the best manager available and back him financially.

And to be fair, although he got his choice of managers badly wrong, he did, at least back them financially until we ran out of Profit & Sustainability road.

The relative unimportance Moshir attached to the Board was also demonstrated by the fact that he only expected EFC to take up 5% of his time and simply left Kenwright in position to oversee the remaining 95%.

I don't think – in spite of our difficulties – Moshiri's attitude has fundamentally changed. Kenwright remains as Chairman and Moshiri hasn't even attempted to strengthen the Board by appointing additional, qualified, competent board members despite the very public protests of Everton fans aimed directly at the Board.

Dale Self
87 Posted 15/03/2023 at 13:12:53
Tony, that was touching.

And with regard to Brands, as the old saying goes, ‘Better to let people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt'.

Tony Abrahams
88 Posted 15/03/2023 at 13:13:03
I personally can't understand how any person could genuinely believe that there doesn't have to be a competent board to have success on the pitch and believe there has got to be more to this story, Brendan.

I believe that Everton have continued to be run very poorly and yet the only people who have left the boardroom have been Usmanov's men. This is the only thing that isn't mere speculation when discussing the current Everton board.

Nick Page
89 Posted 15/03/2023 at 13:17:57
“Kenwright loves the club”.

Ahahahahahahahahaha… someone actually thought that to write it, for fuck's sake. I have news for people – he doesn't.

He loves himself and he loves being in the limelight as Chairman of Everton. Which is all paid for. By us. And that's it.

So please, fucking please, stop thinking Kenwright is an Evertonian like the fella you sit next to in the Lower Bullens who's been going for 50 years and loves the restricted view.

He's an arrogant twat of a man who is 1000% in it for himself. If you can't see this by even his most recent appalling behaviour, then you probably need psychiatric help.

Robert Tressell
90 Posted 15/03/2023 at 13:26:33
Tony #88. I believe:

- Moshiri felt he inherited a competent board because we had a period of relative success without money.

- Moshiri underestimated the footballing side of things, thinking additional spending alone would break us through Moyes's glass ceiling.

- Moshiri's primary concern was and still is the stadium. And also protecting his own investment.

- Having realised that he had been the victim of his naivety and others' incompetence, Moshiri is not going to throw good money after bad, even if that sees us relegated. Spending is over.

- Moshiri must also realise that the board and Kenwright in particular is a problem to be dealt with in conjunction with new investment from somewhere, which is likely (like MSP) to have sports business experience to help get the football club on a better footing, protect Moshiri's investment and allow him to finish the stadium.

Hopefully that is soon.

Joe McMahon
91 Posted 15/03/2023 at 13:33:13
Pete @76,

You are correct but those Chairmen gave their respective clubs genuine good times of a Premier League title, Champions League football, and rebuilt or new stadiums years ago. I haven't been to King Power but Ewood has some fantastic lounges and facilities, and oh yes – no restricted views.

Nick @89, I have no words when someone states Kenwright loves the club, as least he's a blue.

Tony Abrahams
92 Posted 15/03/2023 at 13:59:46
I've got to disagree with you, Robert, because I don't think we had a competent board and I think due diligence would have instantly proved this.

Moyes was definitely in bed with Kenwright but because most people thought David was doing a competent job, then surely the glass ceiling was another Kenwright production.

I'm betting facetious again, but only because it's back to speculation time.

Robert Tressell
93 Posted 15/03/2023 at 14:58:11
Tony, the areas where Kenwright was most obviously wanting were commercials and stadium. Moshiri took these over.

Kenwright certainly flattered to deceive with the football but may have appeared competent given where things had gotten with Moyes and briefly with Martinez.

Indeed with the same principles cost, value and demographics as used by Moyes and Martinez, we might have done well - and broken the glass ceiling.

The issue was we got a bit of money and everyone promptly forgot everything good that had served the club well (in relative terms) for the preceding decade.

Matthew Williams
94 Posted 15/03/2023 at 15:00:53
Call it Karma for Kenwright's treatment towards Alan Stubbs... a real True Blue!
Kevin Molloy
95 Posted 15/03/2023 at 15:23:27
If only it was that easy!
Stephen Vincent
96 Posted 15/03/2023 at 16:21:25
Rob #54, but not 1st April!!!
Mike Gaynes
97 Posted 15/03/2023 at 16:37:18
Tony #92,

Moshiri had no experience with doing "due diligence" on a board of directors. He had never acquired a business before. He had only operated Usmanov's businesses.

Furthermore, at the time Moshiri bought into the club in 2016, there would have been no obvious red flags from a financial perspective that the board wasn't competent.

And even if he now did believe Kenwright and the board to be incompetent, he wouldn't have any idea how to find better people to replace them. He has no experience with that either.

But to me it's clear that he doesn't believe it. I know it's the near-universal opinion here that Kenwright and the rest of the board must go to save the club. I have seen zero evidence that Moshiri shares that opinion.

David Currie
98 Posted 15/03/2023 at 16:44:21
Nick 89, Great post!

If Kenwright loved the club so much, he would have stepped down and given someone else a chance to take us forward.

How much money has he made out of the club that he loves so much?

Robert Tressell
99 Posted 15/03/2023 at 16:57:13
Mike # 97,

I don't think we know what Moshiri thinks about Kenwright but I suspect he's noticed that the footballing side hasn't been good. 4 relegation battles in the last 6 seasons after a bit of a spending spree, too.

The fans' protest will have been noticed too. Moshiri will not want to be tarnished by association.

Personally, I expect new investors like MSP to do the necessary and wield the axe. Moshiri will let them.

Tony Abrahams
100 Posted 15/03/2023 at 17:32:54
I have seen zero evidence that Moshiri is even interested in Everton anymore, Mike.

I think what Phill Thompson posted on another thread about the American actors who purchased Wrexham is very significant, Mike.

But it's all water under the bridge as far as Everton are concerned because, if Moshiri went in blind, he should have also put in some earplugs, although he's obviously not the first to be kidded by Bill's bluff.

Tony Abrahams
101 Posted 15/03/2023 at 17:44:58
The area were Kenwright was most obviously wanting, was in his reluctance to sell and move on, imo Robert. Although this just leads us to even more speculation, once again.

Tarnished by association, is definitely another reason for Moshiri to keep Kenwright, and this might even help to keep Usmanov out the news, regarding Farhad’s relationship, with a man who is under massive sanctions?

Even more speculation, the Kenwright era, is definitely a saga, with many cloaks and mirrors, but no fucking trophies unfortunately.

Brian Wilkinson
102 Posted 15/03/2023 at 18:56:20
If anyone is interested, the picture of Bill is on eBay, 50p opening bid, free post and packaging, 6 Days 5 hours and 46 mins remaining.

Even a jar of fresh air is attracting more bidders.

Before anyone looks all tongue in cheek.

Tony Abrahams
103 Posted 15/03/2023 at 19:04:19
It’s possibly the best picture ever taken of William, Brian, because I’ve never seen him ever looking so good in real life.

The dark shades hide the eyes of a snake, until you look at the lines on his face, that grow from his smug smile. With not a hair out of place, I’ve got to give the man credit, and tell him, he scrubs up well, so I’d be expecting a lot more than 50 Pence, if I was trying to sell such a picture!

Robert Tressell
104 Posted 15/03/2023 at 19:10:53
Tony, we obviously have slightly different perspectives - but ultimately the point is Kenwright is bad for the club and has been for many years. I will always agree with you on that.

For some reason, I am quietly confident we will get inward investment this summer and Kenwright will go as part of that.

Let's hope so.

Michael Lynch
105 Posted 15/03/2023 at 19:16:16
Robert @ 90, and Mike @97 - yes.

To everyone who thinks that, because Bill is an egotistical, incompetent charlatan, he can't love the club, I think you're fooling yourselves.

I think he's conflicted. He wants what's best for Everton, but he genuinely thinks that what's best is him in charge. He'd love to walk away, but he thinks the club won't survive without him.

He might be delusional, but he's still a fan.

Christine Foster
106 Posted 15/03/2023 at 19:38:22
Tony, unbeknownst to everyone, the picture now sits as pride of place above Bill's mantelpiece, where it is safe from the undeserving masses.

Police are reviewing cctv footage of an elderly, portly white haired individual, getting out of a Bentley, removing a ladder of its roof rack and calmly removing the article in question from the wall and placing in a large cardboard box containing a cellotape dispenser, office diary, photographs and a bottle of whiskey, into the boot of car and driving away by an ageing actress.

Unfortunate the footage comes without sound, but a specialist lip reader believe the elderly man has a rant caught on camera where he is believed to be saying, " Don't worry, I'll put you up on a wall where you will have pride of place and be appreciated."

Police have no leads, and say the perpetrators are unrecognizable and the car unfortunately has only three letters readable on cctv, BK1, police are currently trying to eliminate the 427,000 other license plates that contain these letters.

Kieran Kinsella
107 Posted 15/03/2023 at 19:41:41

So you're saying Bill is like Kathy Bates in Misery?

Mick Davies
108 Posted 15/03/2023 at 20:04:30
I hope they replace the pic with a tribute to a 'real' Everton supporting Bill, namely Billy Ingham, or if the fake Bill still craves immortality, maybe a pic of Betty Turpin standing in front of Hilda Ogden's 'muriel' and the 3 ducks could be symbolic
Andy Crooks
109 Posted 15/03/2023 at 21:45:32
Christine, absolutely love the word 'unbeknownst'.

Like the Dixie Dean Statue is forenent Goodison Park.

Michael Lynch
110 Posted 15/03/2023 at 21:46:27
Kieran – spot on!
Mike Gaynes
111 Posted 16/03/2023 at 01:18:08
Robert #99 and Tony #100, agreed and agreed.

I would only point out that what the American actors have done at Wrexham is only possible because of the limited scale. They are millionaires, not billionaires, and the club only cost them $2.5 million. They could afford to dive in with wild enthusiasm on that very small level.

What Moshiri could learn from Reynolds and McElhenney is marketing. The TV series and the massive attention have probably trebled the value of their investment without even having progressed out of the National League. Once they do (this season, probably?), they'll be worth many times that.

Winning helps. Engaging with the fans helps. Worldwide marketing helps even more. Moshiri has done none of these.

Dale Rose
112 Posted 16/03/2023 at 09:56:03
This is one of the most infamous acts. It will have ramifications all over the city.

Even Satan's spawn over the park, have said they will lose every game until its returned, starting with Real Madrid.

Ian Horan
113 Posted 16/03/2023 at 13:15:32
So the mystery of Chairman Twanky's stolen image has took a twist, it's been found at the bottom of the Leeds Liverpool canal in Vauxhall.

Local police are now trawling the canal for signs of the Arteta money and the Fortress Sports Fund takeover funds.

Also found with Twanky's Image was a photo of Denise Barrett-Baxendale being held in a headlock by aA person similar in build to Sharpie…

Tony Abrahams
114 Posted 16/03/2023 at 14:51:48
It was only a picture, and it's only been sleeping with the small fish for a week, whereas us Evertonians, have been torn to pieces over many years by this shark.

Hopefully this is the closest Kenwright's face gets to the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

Bill Gall
115 Posted 16/03/2023 at 15:09:09
I heard that the police were informed by people who said the fish were jumping out of the canal in fright, as an unnatural phenomenon had disturbed their natural habitat.
Dennis Ng
116 Posted 16/03/2023 at 15:13:04
Bill @115 it will likely take raining frogs before they do anything
Will Mabon
117 Posted 16/03/2023 at 19:15:11
Disappointing really.

I was hoping for some real comedy — there were endless possibilities.

Karl Masters
118 Posted 16/03/2023 at 19:22:09
Small time behaviour from a small group of fans who have decided they speak for all of us.
Brendan McLaughlin
119 Posted 16/03/2023 at 19:29:08
But right on cue Will #117

Karl #118 pops up with a beauty!

Brian Williams
120 Posted 16/03/2023 at 19:32:43
Will Mabon
121 Posted 16/03/2023 at 19:36:32

I don't condone the damage angle as a tactic but it seems to've been an "attack" limited to Kenwright himself and I don't hear claims from the perps to represent anyone.

If there'd been no engineered stories about a headlock, followed by staying away as if threatened by sniper fire, maybe his mug would still be up on the wall.

Danny O’Neill
122 Posted 16/03/2023 at 19:42:00
Karl. Small group of fans?

They are making their voices heard and feelings felt. We don't want him at our club. He's had over 30 years to move us forward. He has failed.

Goodison has hardly changed. We've been in 3 relegation battles, two of which went to the last day. We are not out of the woods yet this season despite recent encouraging signs.

We were expected to accept being plucky and mediocre was acceptable for a grand institution and one of the most successful clubs in English football.

Even moderates like me who get told off almost daily by some of the regulars on here for being too consolatory are at the end of their tether with our Chairman.

I'm documented as saying I initially didn't mind Bill in the early years of his tenure. He took us on when no-one else would touch us.

Later to the party than some, but I gradually realised he was self-serving and, along with Moyes, was beating the expectation out of us. Or trying. Not me. That poor younger generation who know no better, but still show up with hope and belief.

Right now, I'm fuming at the way he and the board have behaved and accused the supporters. They stepped over a line. They have gone beyond to the point of no return. They are not welcome.

So I can't agree with you, Karl. Whoever they are, they do represent a majority of Everton supporters. You only have to be in and around the ground to understand that.

We will be there on Saturday at Stamford Bridge with the team. I hope he and they are not. They don't deserve to be. They don't deserve us.

Paul Jones
123 Posted 16/03/2023 at 19:42:50
Is it possible that his massive head got stuck in a canal lock so he asked the police to intervene?
Rob Halligan
124 Posted 16/03/2023 at 19:55:21
For fucks sake, the BBC make it sound like the crime of the century.

Bill Kenwright panel stolen from Goodison Park found in canal

What will the indictment say if anyone is actually caught, and what will the sanction be?

Danny O’Neill
125 Posted 16/03/2023 at 20:04:02
As opposed to rioting and causing 39 deaths and bricking the Manchester City coach causing a window to be shattered.

I don't see any harm to life, danger to other people or vandalism here.

It's a means of protest.

"There was Bill looking at us"

Poor souls.

They haven't been to a home game since January.

Shithouses. I'm using that word too often. Apologies.

I'm actually at the point I don't want them there.

We'll do this without them.

Eric Haworth
126 Posted 16/03/2023 at 20:10:10
Here's the link to BBC Sport where the sad news of him being found in the canal in Vauxhall is being reported. Just our luck it was only the panel from outside the ground. Suppose all part of being a blue… 🙄

Bill Kenwright panel stolen from Goodison Park found in canal

When you think of all the acts of petty vandalism that there are on a daily basis nationwide that go unreported, even via their local provincial media outlets, one wonders why and more importantly how a nothing incident like this finds its way into National BBC headlines?

Oh, wait a minute, wasn't it Ian Wright who mentioned in his apology over his very public reaction to Headlock-gate that he was told about the alleged incident by his BBC head of Sport boss who received a call from a certain football chairman chum of his on the morning of the Southampton home game?

No, he wouldn't… would he??? There we are with that word again… trust!

Michael Boardman
127 Posted 16/03/2023 at 23:05:17
I'm just gutted it wasn't me. Back in the day, I'd have got pissed, taken this home and played several forms of games using the man’s face – luckily for me, I've grown up since.
Barry Jones
128 Posted 17/03/2023 at 01:18:21
I cannot believe that the police are investigating the theft of his photo. Once again, Bill has proven that he really knows how to waste other people’s money.
Karl Masters
129 Posted 17/03/2023 at 01:40:23
Whatever your views on Bill Kenwright, it is impossible to say he hasn't played a large part in Everton's recent history – good or bad – stretching back a quarter of a century and more.

Therefore, however unpalatable for some, he should be on that Timeline and childishly tearing down his picture and throwing it in a canal just reflects badly on the fans.

Personally, I'd argue the rot at Boardroom level set in a long time before his arrival in 1989. Pretty much right back to the early ‘70s when we effectively stood by and let Liverpool FC seize the initiative in this city whilst crowing about our stadium, playing surface etc and failing to move with the times.

The Sir Philip Carter Park End Stand is a legacy to his failure to build a proper 10,000 seat stand which was planned and has cost Everton 80-100,000 paying fans a season for 30 years. Maybe I should climb up there tonight, rip his name off the front of the stand roof and hurl it in the lake in Stanley Park?

Danny O’Neill
130 Posted 17/03/2023 at 08:05:34

I'll give you that the decline probably started from the ‘70s and, aside from that brief glorious period in the 1980s, we've mostly been mediocre, rode our luck, and survived by the skin of our teeth on numerous occasions.

But even in the ‘70s, we had the odd 3rd or 4th place finish… Different times, I know, and it wasn't as significant an achievement as it is now. We came close to winning that elusive League Cup.

I also agree on the the Park End Stand. Not only was it a wasted opportunity, but the redevelopment of Goodison is, in my option, a case of what could have been. We could have bought properties and relocated the school and rotated the ground in a similar manner to what Tottenham has done. That lot done similar albeit just to expand the footprint of their existing stadium.

Instead, we built a stand that, whilst an improvement on the previous one, was petty unimpressive, and put a plastic roof over the Gwladys Street. Then we decorated the outside to paper over the cracks. That's been it with Goodison in my lifetime and I'm 51.

I love Goodison dearly and the Goodison experience will never ever leave me until I leave this world. But when you look at what others have done with their existing stadiums or built new, it is stark how much we have been jogging backwards, let alone standing still for decades.

That doesn't matter now. We are heading to the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock for better times. I just hope he and they aren't there with us.

God forbid, you may have to remove the Bill Kenwright lettering on one of the new stands, or throw his statue into the Mersey.

Bill Kenwright has played a huge part in Everton's history, as you say. A huge part in the continued stagnation and decline of this proud club. A huge part in overseeing us fall behind clubs we used to compete with as peers for over 30 years.

He has long outstayed his welcome and demonstrated his inability to run a huge football club even when he found his pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

And to play a part in chastising our very loyal supporters is just unforgivable. I travel from London to home fixtures. If he wants, he can sit next to me on the train. I'm not a threatening person, but I suspect he wouldn't like the truth from a true supporter. That's their issue. They have disconnected with the life and soul of this club. And it was a deliberate decision and deflection tactic that has backfired on them..

Anyway, we will be there tomorrow, backing that team and willing them on. See you there blues.

As many have said, the silence is deafening. That is because they can't justify the accusations. They are running scared and throwing mud.

Shithouse. Shithouses.

I'm using that word again. I need to go to confession. I will do so on Sunday after we get something from the Bridge.

It's Saturday tomorrow and I'll be with the team and the travelling blue army again to calm me down or send me into hyper ventilation. I'll take my inhaler.

Tony Abrahams
131 Posted 17/03/2023 at 08:42:06
There is nothing “good” about stagnation and decline, especially when the man who was skint has made an absolute fortune running us into the ground.
Colin Glassar
132 Posted 17/03/2023 at 08:53:52
As the old ditty went:

Build a bonfire, build a bonfire
Put Kenwright on top,
Put the board in the middle
And burn the bloody lot.

Not literally.

Christine Foster
133 Posted 17/03/2023 at 09:14:20
Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Danny... Call in at St Anthony's on the way up the Valley, I am sure you will be forgiven as it is a Bklue church.

However, for me, the real colour of the man was his reactions to questions at AGMs, his anger at being questioned, and his belligerence of attitude towards genuinely concerned supporters.

He may well love this club but he chose to associate with people who had no interest in the well-being of the club, other than money and what it meant for them. Perhaps, in the end, that's the difference; many of us would give all for the club but sadly we had directors that gave nothing they owned, only sought to profit. Which they did handsomely.

He bought a club without the business acumen or money to run it, but more importantly, failed to hire the people who could. He never provided funds but sold everything he could in deals designed to buy time.

In doing so, he used his undoubted acting skills, and skirted truth and lies to hide the reality but above all else, the arrogance of ownership, the silence, the hidden agenda of sale or investment.

He got his pay day but those 20 pieces of silver from Moshiri cost him a legacy he so dearly wanted and the last thrashings of a defeated man clinging onto others, bring them down with him.

We had opportunity – just as others had when the Premier League started. They saw the opportunity and seized it. We used to be part of a celebrated royalty of clubs, considered top clubs; now, we are overtaken, the damage of a generation of mis-management, long before Moshiri arrived.

So, yes, prior to the Premier League, clubs including ours floundered without the big money or management expertise, but the inability to adapt, to thrive and take advantage of the Premier League riches has left us hamstrung, with opportunities to regain lost ground increasingly difficult.

It may well take many years to recover, which for me is the legacy we are left with. We may well have an outstanding home, but we will be eating baked beans for a few years yet.

Ian Jones
134 Posted 17/03/2023 at 09:28:50
Christine, I think you've nailed it with that post.
Danny O’Neill
135 Posted 17/03/2023 at 09:38:34
Thanks, Christine. I'll get my Rosary Beads out later.

You make a very good point.

When I've had a few too many and I'm talking to an uneducated London red, having a bitter moment, I refer to Heysel.

But you are right, it didn't hold back Manchester United, who planned for the future, not living in the past. They redeveloped their stadium, built a dynasty and built on their global brand.

Chelsea steadily redeveloped Stamford Bridge from what was pretty much a one-stand stadium surrounded by open terracing. And invested in the team throughout the 90s to eventually become Champions of England and Europe.

Now they have turned on the Everton supporters. Big mistake. They must know their time is up.

Steve Cotton
136 Posted 17/03/2023 at 10:08:17
Tony Everan #24 – brilliant, mate!

Best post so far...

Dave Abrahams
137 Posted 17/03/2023 at 10:29:50
Steve (136),

No disrespect but have a gander @ Christine (133) – now that is the perfect post and eulogy for Kenwright and his time as an Everton director and chairman.

You've nailed it again, girl, a proper Evertonian worth a thousand people like the one who never should have entered the doors of Goodison Park.

Dennis Stevens
138 Posted 17/03/2023 at 11:20:09
I sadly note that the great Evertonian, Bill Tidy, died the other day – I'm sure he could have done an excellent cartoon inspired by this ridiculous situation!
Tony Abrahams
139 Posted 17/03/2023 at 12:00:55
Brilliant that Christine, but I think because his legacy was built on lies, that the truth would have surely came out eventually.

“Be careful what you wish for” was the common phrase, whilst being careful about who to believe just never entered enough people's heads.

Jerome Shields
140 Posted 17/03/2023 at 12:25:51
I see it has been found by a Volunteer group that clean out canals.
James Lawton
141 Posted 17/03/2023 at 18:21:03

"Sleeping with the fishes".

Sounds like the scene from "The Godfather". Did they find a poster of Luca Brasi in the canal as well?

Brian Wilkinson
142 Posted 17/03/2023 at 23:34:45
I was thinking as more of a scene from the Pink Panther, James

Bill as Inspector Clouseau, and poor old Moshiri as Chief inspector Charles Dreyfus.

Instead of Bill asking "Does your dog bite?" he goes in head-first, asking "Is your player any good?"

Anyway, you can read the script now for tomorrow's game, Bill will have pre-warned his buddies he will be at the game, the cameras at some point will zoom into Bill, with a storyline from the commentators mentioning the missing picture.

It has all the makings of Bill the victim.

Christine Foster
143 Posted 18/03/2023 at 03:22:18
Danny #130,

Truth is alien to the chairman of our club. But this time, after so many years, his luck has run out.

Making the wrong choice to vilify those very same supporters who drove the club to safety last season, then claiming absence because of death threats and physical abuse to himself and the board, he is absent without leave.

He chose to publicise it before kick-off in a major game, withdrawing his and the board's presence and support to the team at a vital time. He drew the ire of fans, en bloc, of the media who called him out, and the police who could find no substance in the allegation.

It was a bridge too far. For Kenwright, for the board. There is no way back, no reconciliation, no acceptance by fans. They are dead men walking, just waiting for the funeral.

I believe they are dead in the water and Moshiri would bring huge relief to all fans if he did the decent thing and sacked the board.

Steve Brown
144 Posted 18/03/2023 at 04:25:27
Agree Christine, they’re finished.
Danny O’Neill
145 Posted 18/03/2023 at 06:48:08
Very well said, Christine. You capture the sentiment of just about every Evertonian I know and speak to.

No way back and Moshiri has an opportunity to grow a pair and show his true colours.

Or be one of them

Meanwhile, we will do this on our own We have been here all of our lives and always will be. They come and go.

Jerome Shields
146 Posted 18/03/2023 at 09:00:30
Christine #143,

Totally agree.

Mick Davies
147 Posted 18/03/2023 at 20:40:13
Anyone who defends Kenwright knows nothing of his conceit, deceit and boundless lust for power.

Any man who deals with Philip Green to save his position, who leases our state-of-the-art training ground, who lies to us about Kings Dock, Kirkby, non-existent funds etc, is not an Evertonian, but a self-centred sociopath, concerned with retaining power and prestige at the expense of the club.

And to demonise us supporters is the end of the line.

If any Blue with an ounce of common-sense condemns those who ripped a picture from a wall after what he has done to us, then they really need to rethink their allegiance, whether to a man who has done great damage to our club and made £25M profit in the meantime, or to their fellow supporters, who have suffered long enough under his dictatorship.

Gerry Quinn
148 Posted 19/03/2023 at 07:19:00
I see that Everton have organised Kenwright's new seat at BMD to protect him from the fans...

Chris Kamara's genius response to 'seat which can't see pitch at new Everton stadium'

Derek Knox
149 Posted 19/03/2023 at 08:04:33
Gerry @ 148,

That could be applied to a few TW posters who tend to see the game differently to the majority, and conveniently don't see the main issues.

No names, No Pack Drill! :-)

Gerry Quinn
150 Posted 19/03/2023 at 09:11:49
Derek :)
Dave Lynch
151 Posted 19/03/2023 at 10:33:14
Don't know if anyone has answered this:

Is there a picture of Peter Johnson on the timeline?

The last Chairman to actually deliver a trophy.

Nick Page
152 Posted 19/03/2023 at 13:51:52
Have people seen this?

This is 100000% what Kenwright has done to Everton Football Club. 100000000%. For his own personal gain.

Barry Rathbone
153 Posted 19/03/2023 at 17:03:56
Not entirely convinced Bill & Co are finished – the Glazers and Mike Ashley saw off far greater odium from a bigger percentage of their fanbases at Man Utd and Newcastle Utd respectively

Uncomfortable as it may be to denizens of Everton forums, my return to Liverpool this weekend speaking to random blues confirmed my suspicion from afar – not every Everton fan hates Kenwright.

If relegation can be avoided with a reasonable start next term, I wouldn't be surprised to see protest withering and the status quo prevail.

Brian Wilkinson
155 Posted 20/03/2023 at 19:09:48
I never knew Bill had family members still living in Liverpool, Barry.

Either that or it was random kopites pulling your leg.

Karl Masters
156 Posted 21/03/2023 at 01:42:36
There's a big post in Facebook with nearly 400 comments in this subject, and I'd say it's about a 60/40 split in favour of fans (like myself) who are not at all impressed by this vandalism.

Even many who openly dislike him think the removal of this sign was going too far.

Personally, I think his motives have always been questionable, but he's certainly not 100% bad and he has found us someone who will get the stadium issue resolved and resolved very well at that.

Compared to Glazers, Venkys, West Ham's Icelandic chancers, Fraud Portsmouth Sheik, Hicks & Gillette, Shinawatra and others, you can certainly say it could have been far worse.

I know many on here will find it hard to believe, but ToffeeWeb is not the voice of the Everton fanbase, it's just a relatively small sample. There's a silent majority who would not condone the recent actions of a small minority, but just because of that, it doesn't mean we love Bill Kenwright. We just take a more balanced view.

Cue comments that we are part of the problem, etc, etc. However, to end, it has occurred to me that Bill himself may have had that sign removed, knowing it might garner him favour with some. Who knows, eh?

Don Alexander
157 Posted 21/03/2023 at 02:36:06
Donald Trump gets social media support from about 60% of those who've worked out how to use it.

They're very proud of themselves too!

Christine Foster
158 Posted 21/03/2023 at 06:10:02
Karl Masters,

Silent majority, eh? Facebook – that population sample that is so representative of a fanbase? Or ToffeeWeb, focused entirely on the club.

I know which I think is more accurate and whilst the removal of the sign is vandalism and frankly there is no need for that, there is no doubt, repeat, no doubt, that this club has been dreadfully run under his stewardship.

I will leave it with that amongst your silent majority in Facebook land.

Steve Brown
159 Posted 21/03/2023 at 06:31:10
Karl, your defence of Kenwright is kind of irrelevant now.

His time is up and he only has himself to blame.

He tried to inflame the media against his own fans, and it hasn't worked out very well. His opportunity to retake his seat was Dyche's first home game against Leeds.

He does not have a route back now.

Danny O’Neill
160 Posted 21/03/2023 at 06:35:03
It's not just on ToffeeWeb.

Like a political opinion poll, it gives you a snapshot of how people feel. They are often only taken from a snapshot of the population, but are mostly accurate to how the vote goes.

You only have to be amongst the supporters at Goodison and the away grounds around the country to get the general sentiment amongst most. And that sentiment has been increasingly growing and gathering momentum.

'Hate' is a strong word and I am mostly a balanced person. I don't know Bill Kenwright personally, so I can't say I hate him.

But an increasing majority of our fantastic supporters do not see him and his board fit to run our football club.

Karl, you may have made an indirect or unintended reference, but to suggest those with a different view to yours are imbalanced is way off the mark.

It feeds the narrative and unsubstantiated claims that we headlock women and are threatening, despite us doing nothing other than supporting and following our team, unconditionally in tough times.

Yes, we let the players and the club have it when it's not good enough; remember our motto. We did it with Benitez last time out. Harry Catterick was chased across the car park for dropping Alex Young. Kendall Out. When it's not good enough we tell them. We are far from being happy clappers.

And it's not been good enough for 36 years for where I and many Evertonians want us to be.

I can't and will never forgive this board for their actions towards our tremendously loyal supporters who still keep going and who I stood with on Saturday. There is no going back and, even though they won't show up, they are not welcome at my Goodison Park. They are not Evertonians in the way I am and turning on their own is just unforgivable. It is treason.

Sorry our Goodison Park. Not mine.

As I've said, we'll do this on our own.


Using that word again. Swearbox and confession ahead.

They're finished and their time is surely coming.

Tony Abrahams
161 Posted 21/03/2023 at 08:29:14
I can't disagree with a lot of that post, Barry R, but for Evertonians to get people marching in protest once, never mind before every single game, is something that would have been unrecognizable not so long ago

I now believe that most of the silent majority are on the side that want to see Bill Kenwright removed.

Martin Mason
162 Posted 21/03/2023 at 09:08:05
Karl is right in many of the things that he says and in the minds of many supporters. He is entitled to his opinion too, it isn't irrational and it's far better than some on here from the opposite end of the spectrum.

I also disagree that Bill is going anywhere. The fan ase is brilliant but it is not powerful enough to unseat Kenwright. It is also divided too and I don't believe that the activist protesters are the majority.

Danny O’Neill
163 Posted 21/03/2023 at 09:25:01
Sorry Martin, I have to counter that last point.

I don't see a divided fan base.

I witness one that is 150% behind the team on matchdays.

And one that is increasingly against this board and wants them gone. They have accused us without evidence. They have practically divorced themselves from us and there is no going back. Wake up and see it, Mr Moshiri.

The fans are united despite the situation the club has yet again put us in. You only have to be amongst them to realise that.

I genuinely can't think of anyone I speak to who thinks otherwise. Maybe I speak to the wrong people, but even my more sensible younger brother and son have turned, even though they think I am insane.

I'm not filled with hatred, but change at the top is needed to get this club we love back to a level where they compete.

I can't keep doing this every season.

Even though I will.

Steve Brown
164 Posted 21/03/2023 at 09:38:13
Martin, Danny and Tony A make key points.

I have never seen the fans so united in the actions that the owner needs to take to re-establish his credibility. They demand the professionalization of the board and the removal of divisive and discredited figures.

Moshiri could ignore fan sentiment if he intended to sell the club. But that won't happen until after the new stadium is built.

The length of time since the board announced they would stay away for their "safety" has now been too long. There is no viable route for them to resume match attendance.

Brian Harrison
165 Posted 21/03/2023 at 09:48:31
I felt a bit sorry for Sean Dyche after the Chelsea game when asked about how the disconnect between the fans and the board was affecting the team.

He said that the fans have been brilliant since Day One as they have turned up at every game and given the team 100% support, but he is in a position where in effect his bosses are at loggerheads with the fans, so can't be easy for him to deal with this as well as keep the team focused.

I don't know if it's been mentioned on another thread that I haven't read, but I was surprised to hear on Sky Sports News that we may move into the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock in the middle of next season rather than after the end of next season, as was expected.

The club gave no idea of how this could be achieved as there has been little or no discussion either with the fans or with the FAB. Yet another sign of the disconnect the club has with its fans.

Steve Brown
166 Posted 21/03/2023 at 09:50:45
Kenwright now only owns 1.3% of Everton's shares.

He paid £9 million for his shares (all borrowed from his pals) and made £22.75 million alone from selling his first tranche of shares to Moshiri in 2016.

Even if he has done okay for Everton (not my view), he has done even better for himself.

It does not benefit him or the club for his tenure as chairman to continue.

Barry Hesketh
167 Posted 21/03/2023 at 10:07:29
I imagine, once the most recent accounts are made public, and / or the state of new investment is established, we might receive some information from the hierarchy.

What we all know is that this radio silence isn't a good look for the club, unless it is being done for some good reason, that we aren't yet aware of.

I refuse to accept that the lack of public interaction by the board is purely down to 'headlock gate' or similar incidents, surely there has to be a more rational explanation for the continuing silence? Then again, this is Everton.

Jim Lloyd
168 Posted 21/03/2023 at 10:51:43
From the minute he lost us the Kings Dock, to the crass attempt to turn the blame on true supporters, Kenwright has near crippled the club while lining his pockets with gold.

I don't agree with vandalism normally, but I can understand why that picture was taken down. Vandalism is when the redshite painted Dixie's statue red. Mindless destruction or defacement is vandalism.

What those lads did was vandalism but what a piece of self-aggrandisement it was and they were paying him back for his poor attempt to blacken the name of tens of thousands of Blues who give not only shed loads of money, but their life and soul in supporting this club home and away.

My own view of Kenwright is he vandalised the club's ground sticking a massive portrait of his smarmy gob on the wall of Goodison Park!

Danny O’Neill
169 Posted 21/03/2023 at 10:55:30
I didn't see that, Brian @165, but I was probably in a West London pub still calming down or asleep on the train.

It's a potentially tricky situation for Dyche, but he is acting very professionally and he is an astute character knowing what is going on around him. He is focussed on and protecting the team from the external pressures surrounding the club and he has been taken on by the supporters.

That's important for Dyche. What goes on upstairs is not his business right now. That comes in the summer, when he can make demands as he wants to bring players in. All he can do now is deal with what he has and what is in front of him.

He just needs to keep the players focussed and the supporters onside. He's doing the right things on both counts so far.

Danny O’Neill
170 Posted 21/03/2023 at 11:00:53
Jim @168,

As one poster assessed who has far more knowledge than me, apparently that wasn't torn down in an act of vandalism, it was taken down quite professionally. I know we'll all have different views on it.

Don't forget the painting of 6 on Prince Rupert's Tower also when referring to the cousins.

I'll stop or I could get suspended.

Brian Harrison
171 Posted 21/03/2023 at 11:03:42
The one good thing that has happened to this club in the last few months has been the hiring of Sean Dyche as manager. I don't know who was responsible for that decision but doubt it was Moshiri, maybe Thelwell?

I will be perfectly honest and say he probably wouldn't have been my first choice, but I think he has done a terrific job since he arrived. Whatever happens this season, I would hope he is still our manager next season, even if we don't avoid the drop.

Jim Lloyd
172 Posted 21/03/2023 at 11:04:30
Danny, I was made up the bloody picture was taken down, vandalism or not, and I'll go with a professional removal. :)

I was sick of looking at his big smarmy gob as I was walking up the street to every match. If anyone holds the record for buggering this club up, it's him!

James Hughes
173 Posted 21/03/2023 at 11:20:49
Jim #168, agree with all of that, well said.

The media still don't understand it though. I made the mistake of checking Garth Crooks's team of the week yesterday. After the performance I thought one of our boys would have snuck in there, no chance

The muppet picked Felix and said it was nice to see the Everton fans getting behind the team instead of waving placards.

Dennis Stevens
174 Posted 21/03/2023 at 11:29:28
Aye, James. I spotted that too. What is it with all these footie pundits??
Jeff Armstrong
175 Posted 21/03/2023 at 11:41:13
Cannot stand it when outsiders and pundits make uninformed remarks like Crooks did in his column. If he had any inclination to inform himself of our current situation, he would find out we have always been behind the team, as well as waving placards and protesting against the board.

But he is an ignorant, self-serving imbecile who needs to fill column inches. I'd love to know what he “earns” for his once-a-week BBC job of naming 11 players who played well at the weekend!

James Marshall
176 Posted 21/03/2023 at 12:05:46
Garth Crooks column and 'team of the week' is a bit of 'in-joke' at the BBC apparently. They're well aware that it's all bullshit, but that keeps it interesting and funny.

There are lots of reports of this online, and loads of forums talking about it.

Crooks earns less than £150,000 a year from the BBC, and has a personal net worth of around £5M.

God knows how.

Dennis Stevens
177 Posted 21/03/2023 at 12:10:54
I noticed that Crooks didn't produce his usual "team of the week" the previous week — presumably in solidarity with St Gary.
Tony Abrahams
178 Posted 21/03/2023 at 12:15:32
So Crooks is getting nearly three grand a week for uttering complete nonsense, James, whilst most of us do it on ToffeeWeb for nothing!
Bill Gall
179 Posted 21/03/2023 at 12:20:50
Brian #165,

The construction of the stadium is said to be 3 months ahead of schedule, and that is where that report come from.

I think its just speculation as anything can cause setbacks in a construction of that size. It would be nice if it went smoothly but that is just not Everton.

Martin Mason
180 Posted 21/03/2023 at 12:35:11

Kenwright didn't lose us the Kings Dock. Everton's number 1 myth sorry. Read what really happened and you will learn something.

He also didn't say that the money was ringfenced. That is Myth 2.

Martin Mason
181 Posted 21/03/2023 at 12:37:40

Not divided on the issue of supporting EFC, we are the best on that. We are divided though on activist protesting; some, perhaps many support the board.

Barry Hesketh
182 Posted 21/03/2023 at 12:47:36
I was searching for something else and found the link below, my how the costs involved have risen, when compared to the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, at least in number, if not in value.

King's Dock Funding

Barry Hesketh
183 Posted 21/03/2023 at 12:53:11
A better view of the issues and reasons for the move to the dock is available in the link below.

King's Dock Timeline

Tony Abrahams
184 Posted 21/03/2023 at 13:04:16
Kenwright could have easily found the money Martin, but only if he would have been prepared to relinquish control.

So Bill Kenwright being a genuine Evertonian has got to be Myth number 3,

James Hughes
185 Posted 21/03/2023 at 14:06:22
Martin ~180. I really don't understand your standpoint.

If you are so sure Bill didn't mess up Kings Dock and state 'read about what happened' Then please kindly provide a link to the information, so we can all take in the real facts.


The Mirror has an article there for you to peruse, clearly stating That BPB claimed for TWO years the money was ring fenced

Or ToffeeWeb


Which bit is myth or will you go into denial as usual

Karl Masters
186 Posted 21/03/2023 at 14:13:30
Kenwright sidestepped a lot of things during that 2003-2004 period when we lost the Kings Dock and ended up selling Rooney. He can thank the season David Moyes gave us in 2004/05 for getting him off the hook on that one.

Destination Kirkby was another disgraceful episode which thankfully the Government Public Enquiry torpedoed. We never really got to the bottom of that murky deal with Tesco either.

He’s been far from perfect, but ironically the word is he made Moshiri see sense over Bielsa and recommended Dyche.

Highly questionable motives a lot of the time, but I still don’t think tearing him off the Timeline is right. We are surely better than that…

Tony Abrahams
187 Posted 21/03/2023 at 14:17:11
Remember Bellefield? It probably became to small, but it was on prime land, and was something that the club owned lock-stock-and barrel.

How much is the lease on finch farm going to cost Everton again?

After reading what Barry has posted, it’s evident that it’s lot more than any loan that might have needed to be taken out to secure the kings Dock stadium. It’s basically Legalized theft.

Tony Abrahams
188 Posted 21/03/2023 at 14:26:42
I was hoping it was Bielsa who was going to make Moshiri see sense, Karl, when he allegedly said, "I will coach the Under-21s until the summer and then I will start managing the first team."

If Dyche does keep us up, his achievement should not be underestimated but once he's had his praise, we should move on, and immediately start preparing for next season.

We are not plucky little Everton, who should be happy punching above our weight. (Here's another myth, Martin!) We are Everton Football Club, who are going to be moving into a brilliant new stadium befitting of our past, and hopefully we will have a new board, full of professionalism, instead of an old board full of nepotism.

Bill Gall
189 Posted 21/03/2023 at 15:03:10
There seems never-ending opinions on Kenwright of his past; some with just genuine criticism, others with just vile rants that is normal in open forums, and others who disagree with some posts that seems to make them supporters of Kenwright.

The point is, I may have not learned everything I wanted to in my life, but one thing I did learn is you can't change the past but you can influence the future.

So would it not be better than writing on this site, present the FAB with proof of what is fact to get him off the board?

You can't change what he has done in the past, and I should imagine with the time he has been owner and chairman, there may have been some good decisions, but it is the future we want to protect, and that is to have a competent knowledgeable Chairman and Board.

Danny O’Neill
190 Posted 21/03/2023 at 15:05:57
Maybe I haven't met many of those many, Martin.

Tony, you have only gone and sent me into recollective and sentimental mode by mentioning Bellefield.

Privileged to have have graced those pitches when I had trials. Terry Darracott looking after me. My dad didn't even watch me. He liked the fact the pool table in the upstairs canteen had a blue covering.

I shamefully forget the name of the head youth coach of the time. Name began with R if I recall. True gentleman who, like Terry, reassured and calmed the starstruck nerves.

See you at the Tottenham match?

John Chambers
191 Posted 21/03/2023 at 15:46:05
Brian, #165.

I heard that we may move mid-season so went looking to see if I could find any details. Apparently, it was a report from Sky Sports but that was implying it will be mid 2024-25 so later than expected. Here is a link to the tweet I found:


One of the things I've noticed is that, whilst we regularly get the videos, we never seem to get any comments around the scheduled timeline.

Barry Hesketh
192 Posted 21/03/2023 at 18:03:28
Chris Beesley in a piece about the renovation of the hydraulic tower at Bramley-Moore Dock, mentions that the club is scheduled to move for the 2024-25 season, which probably infers a move during the season, rather than before it begins?

As Everton prepare to make the move on from Goodison Park, their home since 1892, scheduled for the 2024-25 season, another Grade II-listed building is in their thoughts, though, with renovation works on the Historic Hydraulic Tower and Engine room complementing the progress being made at their new stadium.

New look tower

Ste Traverse
193 Posted 21/03/2023 at 19:34:16
Kenwright is nothing but a conniving leech. He's just used this club to boost his own personal profile and to line his pockets whilst delivering the most success-free period in the clubs history.

'He loves the club' my arse. If he really loved it he'd have done his best for it instead he does what's best for Bill Kenwright.

It's just a joke he's still being paid a £1m a year. He MUST be forced out by any means. We need to re-take our club back.

Kudos to whoever took that pic of his smug grid down on Goodison Road. Vandalism? This man has been vandalising our club ever since he joined the board 34 years ago.

Jim Lloyd
194 Posted 21/03/2023 at 19:49:18
I put this up because I knew as sure as nuts, you'd come on with your defence of this leech.

Yes, he did Martin. Your defence of this man borders on grovelling arse licking. You know we were offered a loan and you ought to know he got the Board to refuse it.

The Board refused it because they would have had a new Chairman. One who I believe would have been a true businessman. Made us money to buy the players who would have been attracted to a top club.

Instead, we've had 20-odd years of a "We've had some good times" charlatan who thinks of himself before he thinks of our club.

And even better, he'd have kicked this leech off the board 20 years ago!

Steve Carter
195 Posted 21/03/2023 at 20:02:12
Proper gesture from Bill here, though:

Blues' Emotional Tribute To Mick Lyons

Brian Williams
196 Posted 21/03/2023 at 20:06:10
The "will we or won't we" move mid-season question, I believe has come about due to the news getting out of the delay in the stadium being ready for the start of the 2024-25 season.

The club has known of this delay for some time and also knows we won't move mid-season. For some strange reason, they seem reticent to make it common knowledge.
Danny O’Neill
197 Posted 21/03/2023 at 20:21:54
I saw that, Steve.

Nice to see him pictured with Gary Stevens.

And it will be great to see him at Goodison. I'm sure he'll be paraded onto the pitch and rightfully so.

Forever Everton belting out as it was from that era.

Then give him the mike and watch him get emotional at what will probably be his last visit to the turf he gave everything on.

Ray Robinson
198 Posted 21/03/2023 at 20:28:38
Strange all this talk about a delay in the stadium completion. When I was last at the site about a month ago, I was told by one of the contractors that building work was about 2 months ahead of schedule, although he did indicate that was just the construction. He didn't know timescales for the internal work.

Is the club reporting anything on deadlines?

Tony Abrahams
199 Posted 21/03/2023 at 20:29:31
He's still hanging in there and still pulling at the heart strings imo Steve.

His reign of terror at Everton has made him an absolute fortune, but hopefully Mike Lyons and his daughter will be allowed to sit in those empty seats that are no longer getting used because the chairman's latest trick finally backfired and exposed him for what he truly is.

Nick Page
200 Posted 21/03/2023 at 20:30:03
Are we Kenwright bashing again? Good - my favourite pastime. I despise the lying bastard.

Fuck off out of Everton, Kenwright, you parasite.

Tony Abrahams
201 Posted 21/03/2023 at 20:53:16
It looks like Kenwright is doing a really nice thing, Nick. He's inviting Mike Lyons and his daughter over to England and is paying for their air-fare.

I am probably worse than anyone when it comes to Kenwright bashing but I'd honestly sooner never have to mention the man's name ever again.

I really like Mike Lyons though and he will always be in my Top 10 list of genuine Evertonians who would have done almost anything for Everton Football Club.

Some called Lyonsey a jinx but he will always epitomise what a true blue Lionheart is all about, imo. He was a man who shed a lot of blood for Everton, whereas Bill Kenwright only bled the club dry.

Will Mabon
202 Posted 21/03/2023 at 21:09:02

I can't dispute the outcome of the gesture in that it will bring Mick and his daughter here (I'll hold the cynicism and assume Kenwright has done it for genuine reasons, and not for the personal glow).

As to the paying side of it, I'd say it's really more the club and hence fans that have paid for that, through a well-known path of monetary "shift" over the years.

Jim Lloyd
203 Posted 21/03/2023 at 21:21:21
Mick Lyons? He was never a great player; but he was a great heart! Love the lad, loved his willingness to do his best in every match he played in. Centre-half, centre-forward, anywhere, he'd have played and played his heart out!

My memory's a bit foggy but I remember him playing at Anfield. I remember him scoring for us to make it a 2-all draw. Mind you, I think he scored one for them as well!

Tony, I second all you say about Mick, like Sandy Brown, a heart of a lion. I second what you say about the other get un all!

Danny O’Neill
204 Posted 21/03/2023 at 21:25:14
Everton are paying for this, not Kenwright personally.

It is a nice gesture and I look forward to seeing Mick and his family at Goodison.

I hate to sound negative. But it's where I am with the board. Point of no return for me.

It is a really nice thing the club are doing. Maybe invite Gary Stevens given what he and his family have been through? It will great to see them.

Nice picture of the two of them together.

Ray Jacques
205 Posted 21/03/2023 at 21:33:27
Jim, I remember him scoring a diving header against Leeds in a 3-2 win, but I also remember him lobbing I think George Wood at Anfield for a great own goal in I think a 2-2 draw.
Steve Carter
206 Posted 21/03/2023 at 21:34:51
For those that are interested. Contains a YouTube vid of Mike’s famous headed goal v Leeds.


Jim Lloyd
207 Posted 21/03/2023 at 21:52:00
That's the one Ray! :) ! I thought he'd scored one for us as well, but it was a creditable 2-2 away to that lot!
Brian Wilkinson
208 Posted 21/03/2023 at 23:03:34
I as in the Anfield road end for that one Jim, had everything if I remember, an own goal from Lyons, 2-all draw, two players sent off and a woman streaker as well.

Think it was Kidd and King who drew us level twice, might be wrong about Kidd, before Stanley got sent off.

Unless my memory is clouded and I'm merging 2 derby games at their place into one.

John Chambers
209 Posted 21/03/2023 at 23:19:07
Brian, I was in the Anfield Road as well and remember the look of horror on Lyons face as he lobbed Georgie Wood from about 25 yards!

Given all the "hard" players over the years it is hard to believe Garry Stanley was sent off for us in that match!

Christine Foster
210 Posted 21/03/2023 at 23:27:01
Mick Lyons was one of my favourite players, run through a brick wall and get up and do it again, he would. Sometimes you don't need a surplus of skill to make you a great, you need the passion, the love and drive to give all you can, this was Mike Lyons.

I am proud the club will bring him back to Goodison one last time, and much thanks to Kenwright for enabling it, although I am sure it will be on expenses and so it should be.

Kenwright can play to the crowd but in this case it's well received by everyone of us as it should be, it will probably be the last time any of the heroes we hold dear will tread the royal turf before we leave for the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock so it's right and fitting that this man deserves the rafters to be raised in his name.

Will Mabon
211 Posted 22/03/2023 at 00:21:12
Christine, at this rate, the old softie may bury the hatchet and invite Alan Stubbs to the party...
Christine Foster
212 Posted 22/03/2023 at 00:47:21
Will, I am sure he would like to bury the hatchet with Alan Stubbs… in the back of his head most likely!
Martin Mason
213 Posted 22/03/2023 at 01:08:03
You got me there, Jim @194, I can't argue with an intellectual giant such as yourself.

You wouldn't understand of course but I don't defend Kenwright, I defend the truth against the myths that people like you peddle.

Martin Mason
214 Posted 22/03/2023 at 01:15:56
If I were a betting man, I'd put money on Kenwright having it removed to stop it being damaged. It would have made him look really bad with a house brick in his ugly mug.
David Currie
215 Posted 22/03/2023 at 02:22:08
I loved Mick Lyons and I am happy that he gets to come back to Goodison.

I was lucky to meet him in the dressing room after a 4-4 draw at home to Newcastle in 1978, thanks to former player Jim Pearson. Wonderful loyal servant to the club.

Don Alexander
216 Posted 22/03/2023 at 02:49:36
Mick Lyons is everything Kenwright feigns to be – a Toffee with his heart and soul in our club.

The fact that, in early-stage dementia, he and his loved ones want to accept a freebee back to Goodison is typical of the shyster multi-millionaire who's ripped the arse out of our club for decades.

It's a sham – but Mick and his family deserve a standing ovation nonetheless.

Peter Carpenter
217 Posted 22/03/2023 at 03:26:23
The picture is in Bill's opulent bedroom, hanging in front of the gold trimmed canopy bed he bought from Liberace. He worships before it every night before Baxi and Sharp tuck him in.
Eddie Dunn
218 Posted 22/03/2023 at 07:48:42
David @215,

What a game that was. I stood in the Park End, as usual in those days and it was the highest scoring game I ever attended.

I used to get into Goodison early as a teenager and watch all the prematch build-up.

Mick Lyons used to stand on one side of the pitch and ping long balls to Higgins or McNaught, who would ping them back. None of the current rigorous stuff we see today!

Mick was a true warrior, he was one of my heroes in those days. A giant of a man who epitomised Everton back then, in those fallow years.

I recall the chants of "Lyons for England". Nobody does that anymore.
I wonder if the early onset is related to all those headers?

Dave Abrahams
219 Posted 22/03/2023 at 10:50:31
Mick Lyons was not only a good footballer but a good, genuine and generous man, especially in spirit. He loved Everton and Evertonians loved him back. It will be great to see him back at Goodison Park.
Dave Abrahams
220 Posted 22/03/2023 at 10:57:58
Martin (213),

Are you going to answer James @185 who provided links to a couple of what you described as 'myths' regarding The Kings Dock arena and Everton moving there?

Danny O’Neill
221 Posted 22/03/2023 at 11:15:04
That was my oldest cousin's era, Dave.

He idolised Bob Latchford but Mick Lyons came a close second for what you mentioned.

I sometimes meet him at the match. I'd love to have him meet the big man. It would make his day, if not his year. Possibly his life!

John was a really good player too. I watched him as a kid and I think he could have played professional.

Barry Hesketh
222 Posted 22/03/2023 at 12:00:08
Mike Lyons was one of my favourite players – he was fearless and competitive out on the pitch but, from what I can garner, a gentleman off it.

I used to wince before derby games, as he was often quoted by the Echo saying something that usually stirred them across the park and inevitably it led to a bad result for the Blues.

My best memory is of him scoring against Villa at Old Trafford and of course his '10-foot tall' interview following the victory over the other lot at Goodison, which I think was the Varadi cup match.

Just had a look at his record and Tony might be right about Lyons being unlucky, he made his debut in a 3-2 defeat at Forest on 20 March 1971, as that was the start of the week from hell when Everton went out of two major cup competitions and was probably the start of our decline and the rise of the other lot.

Mick did score on his debut, and he can always claim to have played alongside Kendall, Harvey and Ball plus Labone and Royle, in that match. Mick Lyons – a fabulous bloke and wasn't as bad a player as many may think. But, similar, to most of the 1970s Everton vintage, he just couldn't compare to one of the greatest club sides of all time.

Brian Harrison
223 Posted 22/03/2023 at 12:06:14
Just reading the posts about Mick being invited back to Goodison. First time I have heard of this, has there been a date when this will happen?

I used to see Mick on many a Saturday night, a neighbour was a good friend of Mick's and he used to pop into our local and have a beer before getting off; he usually came in after away games.

A really friendly likeable bloke, he always gave us an honest opinion of how the game had gone, no streaming sites in those days.

Mick also used to run a kid's team who played every Sunday, George Wood was a regular watching of a Sunday. Mick praised every kid who did something good and mainly for the opposition players. Guess you wouldn't see many Premier League players doing that nowadays…

Mick always gave 100% in every game he played, he didn't know how to do anything less, and that's why he was loved by most Blues.

Seeing Danny mentioned his cousin's affection for Bob Latchford, Mick told me that Latchford hated when we had to play with an orange ball, usually in the winter. I asked Mick why? He said, "I don't know but he moans like hell when we have to use one."

Dave Abrahams
224 Posted 22/03/2023 at 12:08:08
Eddie (218),

Regarding that 4-4 game versus Newcastle, Georgie Wood had a stinker that day. Georgie used to wear contact lenses – I think he forget to put them in for that game!!

Brian Harrison
225 Posted 22/03/2023 at 12:13:33
Barry 222,

Regarding Mick being quoted before derby games, I used to say "Why do you come out with stuff to the press before derby games, as it just winds that lot up?"

He said, being the captain, he had to do interviews, but what he said was always twisted. He said he did an interview when he said "I think we have a good chance of getting a result." The press reported it as "Lyons says we will win" – he never mentioned winning.

Barry Hesketh
226 Posted 22/03/2023 at 12:17:51
Brian @225

I can believe that, as it was likely the period when the Echo got re-christened the Red Echo, probably that paper did more harm than good to Everton Football Club on so many occasions, including scuppering Bobby Robson's proposed move to Goodison.

I had mentioned in my previous post, but it got lost in the edit, that typical of Mike Lyons he scored his final goal for Everton in the 3-3 draw with Man Utd at Goodison in April 1982, and ended up playing in goal replacing Southall in the final minutes. Not an incident I remembered but I do remember the match itself.

Nick Page
227 Posted 22/03/2023 at 12:25:43
So let's get this right, Bill Kenwright is paying for Mick Lyon's and his daughter to come to Goodison – is this correct?

So will Kenwright be there himself or keep playing the Martyr? Honestly, some people are so gullible.

What could possibly have transpired recently that would lead a proven egotist to possibly pull of a PR stunt like this?

And if you think Kenwright is paying for this, here is a man that expenses every trip he makes “on behalf of Everton” (to wallow in the limelight) back to the club. Every single penny.

So, rather than PR stunts that have zero meaning on or off the pitch and won't get us any points, I'd rather the bloated arl miscreant put all the money he's taken out of Everton back into the playing side.

After all, he does love the club, doesn't he!?

Martin Mason
228 Posted 22/03/2023 at 12:44:42
Dave @220 and Jim at various.

My comment was that the statement you made that Kenwright lost us the Kings Dock Stadium was a myth and I was correct.

The first link that you posted wasn't a link to fact, it was an opinion piece by a biased journalist who believed the same myth as you. Kenwright did not say that the £30M for Kings Dock was ring-fenced.

He was asked by a journalist that, if the £30M was raised, would he not spend it on players that we desperately needed and his response was that if he raised the £30M it was ringfenced for the ground. He didn't get the £30M – and the £30 Million and even multiples of it would never have been enough anyway.

Here's the fact: Kenwright never lost Everton King's Dock because we never had it to lose. As I said, the statement attributed to him about the ring-fencing was a myth, like the idea that he lost something that he never had and could never ever get.

The second link was factual simply showing the proposed financial and management structure for the development should it have gone ahead, that is if Everton had raised the £30M at the time. It proves nothing about Kenwright "losing" it for Everton though and for the sake of this discussion, is irrelevant.

I know exactly what was said and the reasons why Kenwright didn't raise the £30M. You said that Kenwright lost us Kings Dock, which is total bollox and typical Everton Myth. We never had Kings Dock and were never going to have it. Now, can you please stick to facts and answer what was said, not what you think was said.

If you are going to give links to support your Myths, then it isn't the Mirror that will provide it and before linking, check that it is fact. Please note that your opinion isn't fact.

Did he mess it up? That is a matter of opinion but is again irrelevant to the discussion. One opinion is that No he didn't because it was never going to happen. I'd say yes he did by raising the hopes of people like you who would forever use it as a stick to beat him by using it as a source of myth.

Do you feel that he's messed up with the new ground?

Many thanks.

Brian Hennessy
229 Posted 22/03/2023 at 12:57:56
The fact that the article that the club put out states that Kenwright personally paid for the trip to Goodison for Mick and his family, tells you everything you need to know about Kenwright.

He is a self-serving, egotistical narcissist who has made millions out of this club while running it into the ground.

A better man would have made the gesture anonymously or let the club as a whole take the credit. Not our Bill, it's all about him.

He has fooled lots of people for decades, thankfully most people have now seen him for the liar he is. The day he leaves the club will be one to celebrate.

Danny O’Neill
230 Posted 22/03/2023 at 13:07:06
It will be great to see Mick Lyons back at Goodison and I am certain he will be even more emotional than I am on match day. I think there will be more than a few tears in quite a few eyes.

One of our own before Tottenham even thought about that Harry Kane chant.

I was just about too young to really take in the technicalities of the game back then and just loved the match and match. We didn't have the benefit of being able to watch on Sky, BBC or the internet.

Talking of players around that era, although younger and went on into the Kendall years. More of an unassuming character than Lyons, but I always thought Mark Higgins was a fine servant to Everton. Terry Darracott, but I might be swayed because, as I've said elsewhere, he looked after me at my trials at Bellefield.

Likewise, George Wood, who I think is my first memory of an Everton Goalkeeper. That may be swayed by me having met him outside the player's entrance at Goodison and being in awe of being stood next to an actual football player.

Mike Doyle
231 Posted 22/03/2023 at 13:32:43
Brian @223,

"Mick also used to run a kid's team who played every Sunday, George Wood was a regular watching of a Sunday."

You are correct and I speak from knowledge as I was one of those kids. Malpas was the team (named after the road on the Croxteth estate where Mike Lyons still lived at the time).

In addition to George Wood, quite a few of the Everton players could be spotted on the touchline as games were played at Barnfield Drive – literally a few yards from both the entrance to Bellefield and Bill Shankly's house.

One of the most regular faces was our former fullback and later Southampton manager, Dave Jones – indeed, Mike has often joked that he gave Dave his first managerial role!

Very sportsman-like, he always congratulated opponents and kids on the opposing teams. Plus he didn't swear and wouldn't tolerate it from any of the players.

Great Evertonian and, more importantly, a great bloke.

Eddie Dunn
232 Posted 22/03/2023 at 13:36:45
Dave @224, really! I didn't know that Wood had lenses.

It was a crazy game. I got there quite early, and as me and a mate wandered across Goodison Road, we were surprised by a few hundred Geordies bedecked in their Birmingham Bags and high-leg DMs, running up and down the road looking for a fight. They were far too early.

Thinking again of Mick Lyons. I was in the paddock at Anfield when Lyons lobbed our keeper. The ball seemed to be airborn for an eternity before nestling in our goal. I was dumbfounded. Back then, I was surrounded by quite a few Blues, and the banter with the Reds was friendly. It just doesn't happen anymore.

Barry Rathbone
233 Posted 22/03/2023 at 14:00:21
Martin @228,

If you're correct, that's a great rebuttal and the accusation about Kings Dock should never be raised again.

More broadly, the critique of Kenwright boils down to the folly of Kirkby and not having (or attracting) Abramovich-type money.

The longevity of his tenure means the latter can be viewed as using the club to enrich himself with the golden goose of Premier League survival guaranteeing an ever-increasing return on his shares. Or the act of survival in itself was a work of genius given others in the same boat have all been relegated.

I guess it depends how much you hate him whether you choose unscrupulous wrong 'un or genius. My opinion is he did what most businessmen do – feathering his own nest to the nth degree – but gets credit for keeping us out of the relegation mire whilst doing it.

James Hughes
234 Posted 22/03/2023 at 14:09:01
Martin #228

Yet again, you are in denial. You are presenting opinion as fact. Also, I posted the links – not Dave or Jim.

I know exactly what was said and the reasons why Kenwright didn't raise the £30M.

Please enlighten us and point us in the right direction as to how you know exactly and the rest of us don't. Show the ToffeeWebbers why you know better than the rest of us and debunk the myth.

You keep saying "stick to the facts", yet you never present any to support your position.

We never had Kings Dock and were never going to have it.

Again, where is your proof, please let us know, how you know we were never going to have it???

You consistently defend Kenwright and at one point even argued with Michael Kenrick that Kenwright hadn't profited from the sales of his shares — despite records showing he has made over £20 million from the sales of his shares.

Again, I really do not understand your standpoint and in returning to your opening paragraph: How exactly are you correct???

Many thanks – and I do not expect a reply with any facts.

Ian Horan
235 Posted 22/03/2023 at 14:16:43
Martin @228,

For total clarity, Kenwright did have access to the £30million!!! Paul Gregg had guaranteed the money for King's Dock but there was two provisos to the offer!!

1. Any events that were not football-related, Apollo Leisure would deliver and profits from them would go to Apollo Leisure.

2. Kenwright would have to relinquish his seat as Chairman as he didn't have the business acumen to drive the club forward!!

As we all know, Boys Pen Bill was never agreeing to that as it stripped him of his toy!!! Therefore, it was all about what Billy Boy wanted and not the benefit of Everton Football Club:

Gregg to sue over Everton ownership — The Independent, Saturday 31 July 2004

This is the point where Bill got into bed with the BVI Funding oh and the very expensive lawnmowers and "Other Operating Costs on the balance sheets.

Brian Wilkinson
236 Posted 22/03/2023 at 14:40:58
Does anyone remember George Wood playing in the Wigan Athletic friendly back in the late seventies?

He wanted to play as a striker in that game and boy did he deliver… if memory serves me right, he knocked in four or five goals for us that night.

Danny, you are so lucky for George Wood to be the first goalie of memory.

I first started going the games between the Dave Lawson & Dia Davies era. As long as I live, I will never forget that moment of Lawson in the semi-final, miles off his line, and T.M chipping it over him. I will keep quiet about a certain goal later in that game.

Along with Wood wearing contact lenses, can anyone remember which game Thomas Myhre lost one of his in the mud, and had to play the remainder with only one in? t could have been Boro or someone like that. Good job it wasn't the old Baseball ground, he would still be looking for it now.

Unless I'm suffering the old grey brain cell moment, did we drop Mhyre after 49 games because we would have had to pay an additional fee when he played 50 games for us, but later had to pay it anyway with the other keeper getting injured later in the season?

Danny O’Neill
237 Posted 22/03/2023 at 15:22:21
That's a great recollection Mike @231.

Not quite the same as back then but I still think a lot of modern footballers do a lot to support communities, although not on that scale, but different times.

What you mention is what I'd like to see EitC expand into and get involved in grass roots football as well as charitable efforts.

It's probably impractical for the players to be involved all of the time, but sponsoring and funding local clubs as well as investing in facilities and helping out with mentoring and coaching.

We might just uncover the odd gem or two.

I've mentioned before, I lived in Croxteth for a short while when we lost our house. It was on Middle Way, which having looked was close to Malpas Road, although I wouldn't have known that at the time.

Tough place in the '80s, but so were many parts of the City.

James Hughes
238 Posted 22/03/2023 at 15:32:51

A long time ago and I thought it was a testimonial game and I remember a back post header.

Maybe George Wodd played more than once as centre-forward, I really don't know.

Tony Abrahams
239 Posted 22/03/2023 at 16:32:35
Barry @233,

Come on, mate. Kenwright gets credit for keeping a club that has played more top-flight games than any other English football club away from relegation?

Oh dear… what have we become?

Brian Wilkinson
240 Posted 22/03/2023 at 16:45:31
Yes, it was a testimonial game, James, one of the Wigan players, but cannot remember which player.
David Currie
241 Posted 22/03/2023 at 16:55:37
Eddie 218,

Yes, it was a crazy game and the players in the dressing room were not happy with the result. Thinking about it now, it is amazing that me and my brother were allowed to go in the dressing room, not sure if that would be allowed today.

I remember my hero Andy King making fun of us but Martin Dobson came to our defence. George Wood seemed huge back then and had huge hands but very softly spoken.

Brian 236,

I will agree on Lawson and Davies, I think with a better goalkeeper, we would have won a trophy in the late '70s.

Brian Wilkinson
242 Posted 22/03/2023 at 17:24:29
David C, I read this profile on Dave Lawson and had a good old chuckle.

A safe rather than spectacular goalkeeper with sound positional sense, David made the short move to Huddersfield in 1970 and turned out for the Terriers in the top flight. When Huddersfield were relegated, David commanded the British record fee for a goalkeeper of £85,000 when he went to Everton where he became a crowd favourite, before leaving on a free transfer, after Everton signed George Wood.

I cannot recall Lawson having good positional sense, or being a crowd favourite, but I certainly recall the fans chanting George Woods name.

Stephen Vincent
243 Posted 22/03/2023 at 17:33:47
Great that Mick will be returning to his beloved Goodison and I hope he gets the reception his loyalty deserves. Biggest memory of Mick was him scoring twice in a 4th Round FA Cup tie at Plymouth in 1975 I think. The away day to end all away days!!!

I met him several times in the '70s, mainly because I fancied his sister Barbara something rotten. I used to get the scabby old Blue Streak Specials just because she was a hostess on them. But my admiration was unrequited.

Dave Abrahams
244 Posted 22/03/2023 at 18:18:12
Martin (228),

I don't know if Everton had the £30M or not for the Kings Dock but Kenwright told an AGM meeting the £30M would be in the bank tomorrow morning and introduced the man at the meeting. The money never turned up and the man was never seen again as far as Everton was concerned.

Martin, it would be lovely to hear your version of what really happened, like James @234 it would make very interesting reading. Come on, Martin, tell us the story.

Jeff Armstrong
245 Posted 22/03/2023 at 18:23:00
Kenwright is obviously using Mick Lyons as a way back into the favour of fans who are on the fence about his tenure and possibly a way back into Goodison Park – I'm sure he'll be there when Mick comes on the pitch.

The fact he is being credited with paying for the trip is nauseating, paying with what? Millions he has already stolen from the club coffers one way or another??? The man has no shame, using a much-loved former player as a public relations pawn.

Andy Crooks
246 Posted 22/03/2023 at 18:26:30
Tony @ 178.

You have found me out. Michael and Lyndon do indeed pay me £3k per week for the insight and wisdom I bring to this site. Worth every penny in my view!

Barry Rathbone
247 Posted 22/03/2023 at 18:28:29
Tony @239,

Hand-waving about what we have become does not negate the fact that we've gone from mid-table mediocrity under Kenwright to genuine relegation candidates under Moshiri.

Does that make the Kenwright era good? No.

But given our peers in penury have all suffered relegation, it could be gauged as an achievement of sorts. The reaction to his era is personal but, in my opinion, the venal hatred expressed on here is not representative of Evertonians en masse.

Fortunately, I've just had some corned beef hash with beans and a bowl of raspberry ripple ice cream is on its way.

Steve Hogan
248 Posted 22/03/2023 at 18:38:59
My 10ps worth on the Mike Lyons thread.

I grew up in Altcross Road, Croxteth, and was in the same class as his younger sister, Barbara, we both went to Gillmoss RC between 1962-1967. I believe Barbara now lives in San Diego.

It's my belief Mike would have been a regular in any of the Everton teams I have witnessed since. I don't go with he was only a 'wholehearted 100% player', he was much more than that. He could play a bit as well.

Sometimes, great players can play in ordinary teams during their careers. Mike Lyons was one of them, as was Bryan Robson at Man Utd. He was a winning captain in some marvellous Man Utd cup teams, and two league titles, but would walk into any 'Fergie' inspired great team.

I also thought the Lyons family lived in Pethrick Road, not Malpas Road, but I'm just being pedantic.

Mike Gaynes
249 Posted 22/03/2023 at 18:49:19
Seems that there are lots of Crooks doing very well in the UK.
Christine Foster
250 Posted 22/03/2023 at 19:08:39

It's rather perverse that people consider it an achievement that Kenwright kept us in the Premier League when the truth is his lack of business acumen or finance meant decline. It's the classic "living off a credit card" mentality, the money still has to be paid. Thus becomes the cause of decline.

Remember atrocious marketing, commercial deals, kit deals, BVI deals, Philip Green, that much praised financial wizard according to Kenwright. How can you give praise to someone for avoiding relegation when his actions put us in that position in the first place?

Frankly, Kenwright got his cake and laughed all the way to the bank when he found Moshiri; he got his money and kept control of the football side of the club, which he still stuff up with all the access to Moshiri's money!

But finally, forget all of the above... because it's a circular argument, chicken or egg, cause or effect. His arrogance towards fans, his willingness to blame them for the club's poor performance, for decision-making that he and / or Moshiri undertook, and finally to attempt to use alleged abuse or threats as a ploy to shame fans...

No, nothing about his character is done in isolation. He did the same with AGMs; he didn't want to front up then.

Mike Doyle
251 Posted 22/03/2023 at 19:39:32
Steve 248,

Definitely Maplas Road. During the winter Malpas the team used to train in the gym at Croxteth Comp.

Mike would sometimes give me and a couple of others a lift back to Old Swan - sometimes stopping at his house if he wanted to get changed. Also, my cousins lived in Petherick Road - which was quite close by as I recall.

Danny 237] in those days I think it was quite common for players to be involved in community football. Mike was friendly with LFC's Phil Thompson who managed a pub team in nearby Kirkby.

They also called on each other to present the trophies at their respective leagues end of season awards. I met Phil a couple of times and recall him as a nice guy too.

Barry Rathbone
252 Posted 22/03/2023 at 19:39:45
Christine @250,

I doubt the method of survival mattered given the applause his Jumbotron image received at Goodison and I don't think most fans analyse the club function to any great depth critique starting and stopping with players and manager.

Only on forums are accounts and marketing plans examined and, in my opinion, mostly it's a show-off exercise for those involved in such matters.

We were in dire straits prior to Kenwright and, whatever the modus operandi, he is widely regarded as saving us. Mid-table uncompetitiveness under the less than dynamic duo of Kenwright and Moyes was accepted and we bumbled along in a stupor of excuses, musing about what might happen if we had cash. His level of finance was arguably exceeded by the level of league position not matched by those of a similar ilk, most of whom got relegated.

In that respect, the boy irrefutably done good.

The reawakening of Martinez's first season opening the pandora's box of ambition without money was the start of the death spiral. Moshiri played his hand with disastrous results and here we are on the verge of relegation.

David Currie
253 Posted 22/03/2023 at 20:04:46
Brian 242,

Lawson cost us the League Cup Final, he should have saved Villa's first goal.

Steve 248,

Agree on Lyons being a good player, he also did very well at Sheffield Wednesday. Wonder how long his sister Barbara has lived in San Diego, I moved there in late 1995 and been coaching ever since.

Met a big West Ham fan here who was doing some camps here in Southern California about 10 years ago he lived in Perth and spoke very highly of Mick Lyons.

Dave Abrahams
254 Posted 22/03/2023 at 20:16:53
Barry (252),

Yes, quite a lot of fans are only interested in what happens on the pitch and how the team are doing but those who read the facts, and they are facts, realise the damage Kenwright has done since taking over the club or they turn a blind eye.

When Kenwright took over the club, we owned Goodison Park, lock, stock and barrel. we owned Bellefield the old training ground, and we were £20M in the black.

When Kenwright sold the club, Goodison Park was mortgaged up to the hilt, Bellefield had been sold, Finch Farm was bought then sold and we are paying a lease on the training ground for the next 20 years or more which will cost plenty, don't know the actual sum.

The amount Kenwright put in to buy the club is arguable but he has side over £40M from the sale of two lots of his shares with more to come when he sells the last of them.

You know all this though, Barry, unless you haven't been paying attention, which I doubt, but still think he has done a good job in looking after the interests of Everton FC?

I think he has done the opposite but can vouch and guarantee he has done brilliantly for himself. And I can guess your answer to that!!

Bill Gall
255 Posted 22/03/2023 at 20:25:31
Talking about Croxteth, my wife moved to Portlemouth Road in Croxteth from the Four Squares and we were married in St Swithens.

Her Brother moved to Gilmoss Close when he got married and that was the first time I met Rooney. My Niece was friends with Colleen, and still is, and was a maid of honour at her and Wayne's wedding in Italy.

Wayne Rooney was about 11 or 12 when I met him at my niece's birthday party. Colleen I met on a couple of occasions, the last time was in 2010 at my brother-in-law's funeral.

Mike Lyons I met a couple of times as I was on the Liverpool and District Sunday League management committee and run a team on a Sunday.

Talked to Phil Thompson a few times as he used to go to the Kirkby Liberal Club on a Sunday night. Went to opening day/night when the Oyster and Lobster opened… now all gone.

Tony Abrahams
256 Posted 22/03/2023 at 20:45:05
You are worth every penny Andy, and hopefully you can set a date in the near future to get over to Goodison again mate.

I was looking at the fixtures and thought Fulham would be good but then I saw it's the Grand National, and thought you will never get a hotel room now.

Liverpool at its finest, is how I view the National weekend, so if you can find alternative accommodation, give us a shout Andy, mate.

I can't have it Barry, he might have changed us into plucky little Everton, punching above our weight to many people, but this is something I will never accept.

I hope you enjoyed your tea, Barry, but when I saw you had corned beef hash, it made me immediately think of the Bill Kenwright era, because corned beef hash = Gash.

Christine Foster
257 Posted 22/03/2023 at 20:52:25
Barry, it's all about decisions made, it's all about the reasons behind them and it's all about the end game.

Kenwright acquired the club being unable to finance the running of it, selling assets to pay bills. Shady offshore loans at huge interest rates, associating with characters such as Sir Philip Green whose interest in Everton was exactly what?

Commercially we were a joke, deals done reflected the way the market viewed Everton and the way it was being run. High risk.

I would agree with you in that the average fan would not be too bothered about the money or the deals but, as I have long said, the penny only drops when the money runs out, the transfers stop, or players are sold to pay the bank.

We weren't in great shape when he took over but, as Dave said, we owned it all and were in profit. The state of finance in all clubs started to improve significantly with the Sky deals and our Premier League peers, Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, etc planned and used their commercial expertise to grow and commercially take off.

So much so that now, as a result of failing to increase our business commercially then, our ability to stay within the FFP or Profitability and Sustainability rules is a direct result of a lack of turnover and profitability. We are behind the 8 ball, as all other clubs outside of the so-called Big 4 or Big 6 or whatever you want to call them.

As for those who point to such facts as doing so for their own kudos, personally I am glad there are people who rightly ask questions of the club, despite the club banning AGMs, because, without doing so, we wouldn't have one.

Paul Hewitt
258 Posted 22/03/2023 at 20:56:36
Kenwright hasn't owned the club for 7 years.

For fuck's sake, move on.

Daniel A Johnson
259 Posted 22/03/2023 at 21:15:27
Greatest mysteries

1. Roswell UFO incident
2. Who shot JFK
3. The Denise headlock
4. Theft of teary eyes picture

Ray Jacques
260 Posted 22/03/2023 at 21:15:51
Mike Doyle, you are right about his team in the West Derby junior Sunday league that Mick Lyons ran called Malpas. Played at Barnfield Drive and he was there every week (no Sunday games back then for the pros except the rare vs cup game) without fail. I played for one of the other teams and was always in awe that one of my Everton heroes was there watching us 12-year-olds playing.

I recall you lot at Malpas were a dirty team always fouling us posh boys from Norris Green, lol!!

Barry Hesketh
261 Posted 22/03/2023 at 21:31:43
Paul @258

I'm certain we'll all happily move on, when Bill leaves his position as Chairman and takes all of his lackeys with him, until then it's almost impossible for the club to move on. If he doesn't move on either by choice or is removed by the owner, we'll all still be discussing this issue, next year, the year after that, and beyond.

I'm as sick and tired of the constant back and forth relating to Bill Kenwright, as anybody else and I just want everything to be about Everton Football Club and not about an individual board member.

Bob Lord at Burnley, Peter Swales at Man City and Doug Ellis at Villa, all believed that they were more important than their respective clubs or at the very least believed that their clubs couldn't function without them being involved. Bill has exactly the same mentality.

Most of us don't want to see Everton follow the path to ruin, that those clubs mentioned above travailed, which is why either fairly or unfairly the best thing that Bill Kenwright could do for Everton FC is to stand down.

Barry Rathbone
262 Posted 22/03/2023 at 21:41:50
Christine 257

I wouldn't call the Mancs and Chelsea our peers.

Utd were the original rich club via the mass fan base resultant of the Munich sympathy phenomenon and City nowhere near our level prior to Mansoor.

Chelsea is a weird example a club of absolute no hopers till Ken Bates gambled everything and virtually bankrupted the club but no one cared because they started to win stuff. Should Bill have risked everything in similar fashion in the hope of an Abramovich turning up?

I don't know but it seems a perilous course to me

Paul Kossoff
263 Posted 22/03/2023 at 23:40:43
Don't know if this has been debated before but I wonder where we would be, as a club, if Kenwright hadn't brought Moshiri in?
If he had just blundered on with no investment at all.

Would we be over the last 7 years okay in the Premier League, or would we have sunk into the lower leagues or even become bankrupt and thrown out into non-league football?

Scary thoughts I think.

Mark Taylor
264 Posted 23/03/2023 at 00:07:55
If food has a best before date, why shouldn't Kenwright?
Martin Mason
265 Posted 23/03/2023 at 00:45:47
James@234 The facts are available for anybody who'll get off their asses and read them even though spouting myths is easier. I don't need to provide proof of anything sorry. The statement was made that BK lost us KD and that once stated as fact is what has to be proven. As I have told you guys many times I don't defend Kenwright, I defend fact against Evertonian myth

We never had Kings Dock and were never going to have it?

Perhaps you could point out to me where we had taken ownership of KD and how Kenwright then lost it?

I can't argue against myth btw because once entrenched it is believed as fact and the mind is then unchangeable.

My last comment on this nonsense btw, the board deserves better.

Danny O’Neill
266 Posted 23/03/2023 at 06:11:56
He may not have owned for 7 years Pete, but he is Chairman of the Board of Directors and still wields influence for decisions on behalf of the owner it would seem apparent and logical. I personally don't have any doubt in that.

You only have to listen to the language of players and managers over the years. Lampard, the much loved Duncan Ferguson. We could go on. It's like he casts a spell when they enter the corridors of Goodison Park.

I guess we/ve got the now infamous time line to cling to as improvement.

As with Managers, any Chairman and Board of Directors should be held accountable for performance. He is the great survivor despite poor performance for a club of Everton's history and stature for over 30 years.

Goodison has barely changed. One of my tickets for a home fixture was described as "severely restricted view". Severe? I was sat directly in front of post and had to keep leaning left and right to get a view of the match.

We've taken about 30 years to finally solve the stadium issue when we could have been in the King's Dock, or, with a bit of innovation, redeveloped the Goodison footprint.

Nearly relegated 3 times on his watch. Fighting for our Premiership lives again. Turning on the club's supporters, who, as always are backing the team to the hilt as they always do.

Having to listen to that 1995 trophy chant Lucifer's Children chant at us makes me feel sick. Thanks for the good times Bill.

He has been ever present at a high level in the club since 1989 and overseen the gradual decline of a club that had been League Champions just 2 years prior to that and had won a European trophy. A perfect platform on which to build.

Some may cite the Moyes years and I'll admit there was a job that needed doing initially.

But gradually we descended into averageness, low expectation and then, when we found our pot of gold, we blew it spectacularly.

On the club peer thing, not so much on the pitch, but I continue to find it interesting on supporter pull, using the lens of London as a gauge.

Liverpool and Manchester United have a big visible representation down here. Chelsea obviously, especially where I live in West London, although I have to say, the visibility increased during and after Mourinho years.

The Manchester City thing hasn't really caught on. I rarely see any and when I do, it's often someone down from the North West or the Irish landlord in my local, who has always supported them.

Everton? There is me and the bloke who sometimes walks his spaniel the same time as I walk my Ridgebacks and who fixed my roof one. I found it random as he is a local, but it is connected through his wife coming from Merseyside, so he got converted.

Or maybe under orders?

Dave Abrahams
267 Posted 23/03/2023 at 09:39:31
Martin (265), you know how to twist and turn stories, you’re not related to Boris Johnson by any chance are you?

Your last comment on this nonsense? Brilliant though your very last words: “ The board deserves better” At last you spoke the truth and as soon as he is removed it will improve immediately. Bet you come back on your “ final comment” though.

Steve Brown
268 Posted 23/03/2023 at 09:46:07
Martin, is that really your final comment on the board? Like Dave, I raised both eyebrows when I read it.

Although, if you are wrapping up I have to say that 'the board deserves better' was a comedy classic.

Danny O’Neill
269 Posted 23/03/2023 at 09:50:38
The board desrves better?

I find that hard to swallow and it's touched a nerve.

The supporters deserve much better than having unsubstanstiated mud and shit hurled at them by the club.

Yet despite that, we are still there in our thousands. Vocal, loyal, very proud and willing that team of ours on every single match.

Stan Grace
270 Posted 23/03/2023 at 10:30:29
I just got off my arse to check that the noun myth can collocate with the following verbs: create, peddle, perpetuate, propagate.

The verb spout doesn't.

Or is that a myth too?

Martin Mason
271 Posted 23/03/2023 at 10:30:42
Steve@268 A million apologies, I didn't mean the incompetent Everton board but the Toffee Web site or board. Whilst I'm not going to stay involved in a discussion on KD the way it is framed on here I'd be more than glad to do so in the right place and if it is conducted in an adult way. Very sorry if I haven't met those standards.
Martin Mason
272 Posted 23/03/2023 at 10:46:47
Dave@ 244 Yes, that was just another good myth. the reason that Everton pulled out of the KD deal was not because of the £30MM. That was undoubtedly available even "tomorrow" but it was irrelevant as it wasn't accepted by the Everton board because it meant the loss of EFC ownership of 50% of the ownership of the venture (via a reverse mortgage) and quite correct. Everton were given an extra 4 weeks and looked for a better deal but in the end the £30MM was a rapidly rising target based on the unreality of keeping the total cost of the development down to £155 MM. It was the £155MM that was the killer not the £30MM. KD was an impossibility for EFC, they never "had it", never could have had it and never lost it. Is there anything that I can add to that?

You can find good factual discussions on the subject via this site. The link is just one.


Dave Abrahams
273 Posted 23/03/2023 at 11:06:00
Martin (272) nice to see you back. I think the loss of the Kings Dock site was more about who owned the club and Kenwright was reluctant to share the ownership withPaul Gregg, the man who lent him the money, along with his wife, to pay for his share into buying into Everton, Paul Gregg had plans for Everton but wasn’t allowed to share the control of the club, I never heard of any plans that Kenwright had for the club except to find a new owner for the club, yet here he is turning down a man with money and plans to expand the interests of Everton FC because it didn’t suit him.

Martin that £30M that you claim was “ undoubtedly available” was a sham claim by Kenwright as was the man he presented to the AGM, a bare faced lie, one of the many perpetrated by Everton’s chairman over the years.

Ian Horan
274 Posted 23/03/2023 at 11:17:21
Martin Mason, Paul Greggs desire to resolve True Blue Holdings was driven by Kenwrights arrogance and amateuristic approach to business development. The opportunity we had for KD and the perceived reverse mortgage was the exact model Kenwright has used to keep his train set!!! BPB has asset stripped the club since 1999 selling everything off only to rent and mortgage it to the hilt!! Only when all credit facilities exhausted did BPB find his financial life boat in Moshiri. With hindsight we would of been better going bust, but and reborn but BPB would have gained nothing as he could not have been involved or benefited in a new Everton FC inc post administration of going bust!!!
Martin Mason
275 Posted 23/03/2023 at 11:28:08
Ian@274 Nothing but opinion there mate and what is a "Perceived" reverse mortgage. Could we please stick to fact and the issue being discussed.

Dave@273, careful with the opinion/fact split and don't deviate from the issue. There are many other issues for sure but this is KD and BK "losing" it. I agree with many of the things you say but remember you can have your own opinion but not your own facts.

Dave Abrahams
276 Posted 23/03/2023 at 11:40:34
Martin (275) well Martin I read the free library article as you suggested and I read it differently to you, the deadline for the £30M to be delivered had expired because the money wasn’t delivered by 31st, December that year but if it had the Kings Dock plan would have gone ahead to the next move, the plan then stopped because certain members of the board, no names given, didn’t agree with the plans Paul Gregg had for the club, so for me if the £30M had been delivered by the club the plans would have still been alive at that time and ready to move on.
Martin Mason
277 Posted 23/03/2023 at 11:57:56
Dave, the deadline was extended by 4 weeks and then the project failed because Everton and the Joint venture couldn't deliver it. In the end it wasn't the non-delivery of the £30MM but the impossibility to deliver the project. The £30MM was irrelevant in the end. Should Kenwright have accepted Greggs offer? Would you have done? Did it stop KD? Not at all. Did BK "lose" KD? Was KD ever going to happen whatever BK did? Of course not, Everton couldn't afford KD unless somebody else funded it.
Brian Harrison
278 Posted 23/03/2023 at 12:51:19
The points that Dave and Martin raise are both valid arguments as to why the Kings Dock project failed. But I wonder what would have been the feeling if Paul Greggs offer had been accepted and he was allowed to put on events at the stadium but all the money went to his company. As I understand there was no mention of a retractable pitch that Spurs have at their new stadium, which allows them to put on pop concerts and NFL games without damaging the pitch. I can well imagine the furore if we played a week after a pop concert and the pitch wasnt great, I could well imagine whoever was the manager not being happy. Also would we have happily sat back if Greggs company was making huge profits from these concerts while the club continued to struggle financially.
Barry Hesketh
279 Posted 23/03/2023 at 12:55:40
The Chairman and the board made massive assumptions regarding the proposed move to King's Dock, they assumed that Paul Gregg would stump up the money, with no strings attached, they assumed that Goodison would have a sell-on value way beyond reality, so it probably was as Martin says a non-starter, even though it took Kenwright and company two years to come to that realisation.

The first installment of selling the fans an unattainable dream whilst keeping himself in a position of power, and that my friends is the sorry story of Bill Kenwright's tenure as the leader of Everton Football Club.

Without Moshiri, there would be no new stadium on the horizon and we would likely have spent the last few seasons outside of the Premier League, don't forget Bill Kenwright once proclaimed that he knows nothing about business, I guess he's right on that one. I've enjoyed the good times though!

Phil Bellis
280 Posted 23/03/2023 at 13:00:10
Brian (278)

Chris Beesley re KD stadium in a Red Echo article from June 22

"a 55,000 capacity football stadium with a retractable roof and pitch that could be rolled off on wheels, but also doubling as an entertainment venue holding between 5,500 to 24,000"


Dave Abrahams
281 Posted 23/03/2023 at 13:02:48
Martin (277), the £30M not being produced stopped the plans going ahead at the time, there were other moves still being talked about to keep the plan afloat but other businesses had the chance to come in if they had plans for the Kings Dock which had been open only to Everton until the £30M which Everton and Kenwright promised would be available never materialised.

Regarding would I have accepted Paul Greggs offer? I most certainly would have listened to his proposals for the future of Everton FC, he was his friend and had lent him the money to buy his way into the club, Greggs plans were rejected, by who I wonder? Then Gregg and his wife got their money back and Kenwright started his borrowing and dealing with people which cost Everton FC millions in the coming years but never cost Kenwright a penny, then he took advantage of Moshiri’s friendship to gain millions himself and is in a very nice place financially today while the club is floundering about with an uncertain future.

So yes I would have given a lot more consideration to Paul Greggs plans for the sake of the club I love rather than my consideration for myself, easy for me to say because I’ve never had any money and it doesn’t mean a great a deal to me, friendship and integrity does though.

Brian Harrison
282 Posted 23/03/2023 at 13:55:38
Phil 280

I stand corrected I didnt remember seeing that the KD would have a retractable pitch, as well as a retractable roof. I still think over the years had Gregg been making a fortune for KD to hold pop concerts while the club received nothing would I think have been a bitter pill to swallow. I am sure after a few years the fans would have criticized how the club struck such a bad deal, and no doubt BK would have been in the firing line. Just to be clear I am not defending Kenwright from some of the lousy decisions he has made, and as I have said a number of times he should have stepped down when Moyes left.

Phil Bellis
283 Posted 23/03/2023 at 14:05:13
It's a complex debate, Brian
The pain I feel when walking past the Arena has been somewhat mollified this past year or so by my weekly stroll to BMD for a pint 👌
Brian Harrison
284 Posted 23/03/2023 at 14:21:27
I just looked at an article in the Echo around the time of the board agreeing the KD arena plan. In the article Paul Gregg said that we have now acquired the £30 million and BK and I hope to get the boards backing next Thursday for us to go ahead. So seems from having acquired the money, which Paul Gregg said he and BK worked closely in this regard to days later the board rejecting the plan seems a real puzzle. I guess us fans will never really know the truth, and can only piece together the scraps of information we are told.
Dave Abrahams
285 Posted 23/03/2023 at 14:40:19
Brian (284), but that differs from Kenwright telling the AGM that the £30M would be in the bank in the morning and introduced the man who was supposed to be putting the money there, except it was a prefabrication.

As you say we will never know the truth but Kenwright has told many lies over the years whereas Paul Gregg was a proven successful business man who had put his money up and lent Kenwright his share to put up, had a plan which was rejected and Kenwright brought nothing to the table but gained plenty and is still here and stands to gain a few million more while still chairman who stays away from the club.

Tony Abrahams
286 Posted 23/03/2023 at 14:46:52
Paul@258, how can we just move on, when the man who takes a lot of threads around in circles is still here?

James Hughes
287 Posted 23/03/2023 at 14:53:42
Martin #277 I will give you a good myth.
There was a man destined to be a great leader. He treated everyone as a peer and listened to them. All was going great until His mate ran off with his Wife. King Arthur

All your posts have proved and the free library link, is that Kenwright led everyone for TWO years that KD could be delivered whilst knowing the money wasn't there and he couldn't secure the funds.

Everton couldn't afford KD unless somebody else funded it.

Basically BPB was Everton as The Chairman, he controls direction.

So all you've proved is that Bill was a lying bastard for two years and knew it was non -starter.

No doubt you will have some different 'facts'

Jay Harris
288 Posted 23/03/2023 at 14:59:07
There are two facts connected with Kenwright's tenure that cannot be denied.

Bill Kenwright has made a personal fortune while not putting one penny of his own money into the club and Everton FC have seriously declined as a football club over the same period.

Does anyone want to connect the dots?

Ian Horan
289 Posted 23/03/2023 at 15:01:55
James Hughes, that's what I was trying to articulate earlier in the thread. I even posted the link to the Independent newspaper. That outlined Paul Gregg's desire to dissolve the True Blue Holdings vehicle he and Kenwright bought Everton with.

In essence, Paul Gregg was the money and brains. Once he saw BPB as a chancer and carpet bagger that's when he went legal to Get Kenwright Out!!! Only with that threat did Billy Boy dissolve True Blue and Agent Green came riding to his rescue! 🤬🤬🤬

Jerome Shields
290 Posted 23/03/2023 at 15:07:58
Simple football fact. If you want to win something, you need a winning Chairman. Under his tenure, the club as been midtable at best and ultimately sliding towards relegation.

The fans have played a large part in Everton's survival in the Premier League and they are fed up shoring up Kenwright and his litany of incompetence, as a result of his self serving enrichment.

Bill Gall
291 Posted 23/03/2023 at 15:22:07
Jay # 288
I don't think BK was the only Board member not to put a penny of his own money in the club both R.Earl and J.Woods already had a personnel fortune of over 200 million and they both sold their shares to F.Moshiri.
Paul Hewitt
292 Posted 23/03/2023 at 16:07:27
Jay@228. Do you know for sure BK hasn't put any money in, or are you just going on rumour?
Tony Abrahams
293 Posted 23/03/2023 at 16:16:22
Kenwright kidded enough of the older generation but for the younger generation – who have been offered nothing except the notion that Everton have still not been relegated – are different, and that's why the man is finally now on his last legs.

Andy Crooks
294 Posted 23/03/2023 at 21:22:02
Paul @# 292, are you suggesting he did?
Eric Myles
295 Posted 29/03/2023 at 09:13:13
So have they got any suspects yet? Or were all the CCTV cameras in the area faulty like when Headlockgate happened?

And has the pic been returned to the timeliness?

Tony Abrahams
296 Posted 29/03/2023 at 10:26:19
I have long thought the picture should have been replaced with the date Bill Kenwright took over, and turned us into a second rate Football Club.

What’s Latin for Survive and I will make myself a fortune?

Nil satis nisi optimum was replaced by Superesse et ego faciam fortunam - Bill Kenwright’s, Everton.

Alan J Thompson
297 Posted 02/04/2023 at 06:07:03
I know the police are busy with other matters such as unrealized death threats but I'd have thought that by now we would have at least heard that the ashes of Bill's board and DBB's syrupa had been found on some waste ground near a burnt out old sofa. After all, who in their right mind would hoard an enlarged photo of the Chairman? Oh, yeah...
Danny O’Neill
298 Posted 02/04/2023 at 06:52:15
An absent and silent board would simply not survive in any organisation that I know of.

Do the honest thing. They paint us as criminals despite committing crimes against Everton Football Club.

I used the word 'honest'. There lies the fundamental problem. Self-interest over the needs and care for the club. They don't have an honest bone between them.

Just go. I was going to use stronger language, but I'm trying to stay out of the confession box.

Derek Thomas
299 Posted 02/04/2023 at 07:44:15
Danny; don't hold your breath, not many will give up a bobby's job that pays a million a year
Michael Kenrick
300 Posted 02/04/2023 at 08:21:57
Err... syrupa?
Tony Abrahams
301 Posted 02/04/2023 at 08:41:03
Superesse et ego faciam fortunam– Danny.

I come on ToffeeWeb to read about Everton, went to the comments list, scrolled down and then see that there's no getting away from this present and very inept board of directors, currently employed and stealing a fortune, out of our club.

It sounds like I'm not the only one feeling more nauseous every single day because, until they leave, I just don't see how Everton Football Club can genuinely move on?

Trying to forget about them for a minute by focusing on tomorrow night only leaves me feeling angry once again but hopefully Gray and Simms can do a good job between themselves and Everton can gain at least another point.

Tony Abrahams
302 Posted 02/04/2023 at 08:44:07
I took that syrupa as being the same as an Irish Jig, Michael, but I suppose that’s being a bit unfair on Denise, who usually looks immaculate!

She’s got a right to look immaculate with the bloody money she’s on. I know!

James Hughes
303 Posted 02/04/2023 at 09:03:40
Tony, it's 3 points tomorrow and 2-0 scoreline to Everton.

It will be 1 point next Saturday as that Red lot were in disarray against Liverpool and were losing badly against Fulham until they imploded.

Alan J Thompson
304 Posted 02/04/2023 at 15:47:14
Michael (#300);

Syrupafig (syrup of fig)-wig. Could have come off in the headlock. I mean, if it was a put-up job, then would they have risked Denise with cameras everywhere, usually?

Or somebody with inside knowledge of blind spots? Doesn't say much for police efficiency.

Oh, and as Tony says, always looks immaculate.

Dennis Stevens
305 Posted 03/04/2023 at 19:09:55
I thought for a mo' that his ugly mugshot had been found in Egypt!


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