Doucouré parks contract talks until the summer

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Abdoulaye Doucouré says he is unsure what the future holds for him beyond this season, saying that talks over the possibility of him extending his stay at Everton will continue in the summer.

The Mali international’s initial three-year contract is up at the end of the season but there is an option to extend it for another year, something that looked on the cards since he was restored to the side by Sean Dyche after he was exiled by former manager Frank Lampard in January.

Doucouré has been a vital part of Everton’s efforts to escape the jaws of relegation since Dyche came on board, providing energy behind the striker, weighing in with four goals, including a brace in Monday's stunning 5-1 win at Brighton, and he was a huge miss when suspended for three matches last month following his sending-off against Tottenham.

However, while Everton may be keen to exercise that option for another 12 months, Doucouré, who turns 31 next season, is either keeping his options open or is, perhaps, hoping to negotiate a longer contract on improved terms.

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In quotes attributed to him by the Daily Mail, Doucouré suggests that there has been a gap between the two parties for a while now and that, for now, all he is focused on is helping the club stay in the Premier League.

“The club knows my position since a year ago,” the former Watford midfielder said. “Now it is becoming very difficult for us to find something well between us — to find an agreement.

“I’m focused on keeping Everton up and then everything else will come after. To be honest, I don’t know (if I want to stay). I can’t say now, I don’t know.

“I have done my job, so now it is up to the club to say what they want from me.’

Speaking of the frustrating and potentially costly red card he was shown for an altercation with Harry Kane where he caught the Spurs striker in the face with a raised hand, Doucouré admits the incident was a regrettable one.

“It was a stupid red card,” he said. “I should have avoided it — especially in the moment. But I feel good [now] and feel I can help the team so much. I think it was a good response. I worked hard.

“Everybody knows I was out of the team but it was not a massive thing. What is more important is the club — how I play, how the manager works me and how the team works me. These are the most important things.

“The past is the past and now I focus on Everton.”

 

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Alan Johnson
1 Posted 10/05/2023 at 17:00:10
Not sure if I'll be happy or unhappy if he leaves. Sums it up really...
Will Mabon
2 Posted 10/05/2023 at 17:09:54
So he has spoken on this it seems.

Not the most suitable or considerate timing.

Neil Lawson
3 Posted 10/05/2023 at 17:11:26
Doucoure has earned the right to make sensible demands. He has been excellent. I am not convinced that he will remain a first team regular ( whichever league we are in) but he has proved his substantial value to the team/squad. He still has a few good years but he shouldn't be greedy. He, like so many footballers of decent talent, get paid too much money for what they do. If he is happy at Everton and wants to play at Goodison and Bramley Moore then find a happy compromise and buy himself a few more premium bonds and gold ingots to keep the wolf away from the door.
Si Cooper
4 Posted 10/05/2023 at 17:15:51
He has some talents, he has some faults. Feel he needs the right mix around him so the decision will have to be part of a broader assessment of where the squad needs to be at the start of next season.
David Bromwell
5 Posted 10/05/2023 at 17:40:33
Surely the Club cannot make any decisions on players contracts until the end of this season and when it becomes clear what Division we will be playing in.
Pete Neilson
6 Posted 10/05/2023 at 17:51:14
When we signed him it was reported on the official site that the club had the option so this will keep until the end of the season. Up-to Thelwell (hopefully down to him and Dyche) if he goes for nothing now, offer a new contract or we simply extend for another season. Three more massive performances from him will do no harm to his negotiating position.
Mike Price
7 Posted 10/05/2023 at 17:54:51
We can do better than him and Iwobi for the money they are after. A few decent performances and we bend over backwards to accommodate players who have been inadequate for most of their contracts.
We have to break this cycle. It’s the same as selling players on when we can get value and replace them with better; we just don’t recruit or sell well and that’s led us to where we are.
James Byrne
8 Posted 10/05/2023 at 17:54:59
Doucoure has had a handful of decent games since he came in 2020. He has had some shockers at this club, and is nowhere near the quality of player we should expect at Everton.

To keep recruiting players this poor season after season, for stupid money will keep us inside the relegation zone until we eventually go down.

Unless people have short memories, some of his poor passing in midfield has cost us games since he came.

At 30 yrs old, what other Premier League team would Doucoure get into while on £100K plus a week.

James Byrne
9 Posted 10/05/2023 at 17:59:49
Mike #7.

100% spot one, totally agree.

John Daley
10 Posted 10/05/2023 at 18:08:38
He’s alternated between awful and anonymous for a large portion of his time here. A little run of improved form and effort as the end of his deal edges nearer shouldn’t really distract from that.

Irrespective of which league we end up playing in, the club is going to have to reduce an unsustainable wage bill and that surely means younger and cheaper going forward, rather than those seeking one last big pay day.

Niall McIlhone
11 Posted 10/05/2023 at 18:14:02
As others have commented, Doucoure has been lacking consistency throughout his Everton career, and I agree with Alan(#1) that it's difficult to figure out if the majority of fans would want him to be offered a contract extension, given he is reportedly on £100K a week or thereabouts; if the player returned to League 1, for example, none of the top French clubs would pay him anything like what he is paid at Everton.
Doucoure is far from the worst signing of recent years, and his showing against Brighton was indicative of what a good player he can be, but his game is all about harrying and energetic running, and I wonder whether he might be capable of sustaining this. Anyway, I don't have a problem with him coming out and putting his thoughts on the table, as he is very near to the end of his contract, and he seems to me to be genuine in his commitment to the cause, let's see what Mr Dyche and the DoF think in terms of the older players in the squad come season end.
Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 10/05/2023 at 18:24:34
It's a bit like Delph at the end of last season. Suddenly as his time was almost up he put in some good performances. For his wages and his age he is far from irreplaceable. For that reason I won't shed any tears if he goes along with Mina, Davies, etc.
Peter Carpenter
13 Posted 10/05/2023 at 18:27:38
Assuming we stay up, let's not be handing out contracts as rewards or we'll be in the same mess next season. We still need a radical overhaul. If we don't stay up, we'll get that overhaul anyway, via a fire sale. I am sure Dyche is aware of that and will be quite ruthless if he has to be.
Michael Lynch
14 Posted 10/05/2023 at 18:34:55
Doucoure has performed well recently in that "late dash into the box to score a goal" midfield role, but he's also had spells when his late dash ends up with him sticking the ball in row z or tripping over a blade of grass.

I'm no football manager, but I would assume it's the role the counts as much as the player. We just need someone doing that job, and Doucoure has been okay at it but not brilliant (until Monday of course).

Pat Kelly
15 Posted 10/05/2023 at 18:40:39
Sounds like he/his agent are driving a hard bargain. Fair enough, that's business. But the Club needs players who want to play for it, not just take from it.

Given his reported comment "To be honest, I don't know (if I want to stay)," I'd pack his bag.

Roger Helm
16 Posted 10/05/2023 at 18:43:43
Surely the club has learned by now that over-30s on massive contracts is not the right business model. I'm sure any DoF worth his salt could source a better, younger, cheaper replacement.

I expect plenty of TWers could advise him if he asks (but no need to tell him until we have avoided relegation).

Shane Corcoran
17 Posted 10/05/2023 at 18:57:51
I'd say he wants a 3-year contract.

I'd give it to him for half his reported £100k a week if we stay up as Dyche likes him and probably knows how to use him.

But his yellow card the other night for roaring at the ref about where a free-kick is taken from shows that he's a bit of a clown too.

Peter Carpenter
18 Posted 10/05/2023 at 19:04:39
Pat, I'm not sure if he said that. I've seen another report where he says 'To be honest, I don't know what will happen.'
Colin Glassar
19 Posted 10/05/2023 at 19:11:45
Bad timing but, if he helps keep us up, he can go wherever he's happy. I like Doucouré but his Everton career has been hit and miss and he's not getting any younger or better.
John Chambers
20 Posted 10/05/2023 at 19:19:17
I don't think there will be, or should be, any discussion about contracts with any player until our fate is decided and then the club will have a better idea of what our financial position will be next season.

Once that is decided Thelwell and Dyche can start to plan a squad that, hopefully, means we are not in this position next season.

Oliver Molloy
21 Posted 10/05/2023 at 19:24:34
Not surprised he has raised his game coming to the end of the current contract – it's normal for players to put themselves in the shop window and looking for another big payday.

Well the club and all Evertonians need more – another three performances like Monday please at least!

No matter what, he's certainly not worth £100k a week (if this is true). I think he will end up at Fulham!

Kevin Molloy
22 Posted 10/05/2023 at 19:46:34
This is what is so great about modern football. The moment any one of our players shows improvement, even during the course of one or two games, they can be instantly speculated upon.

Basically, nothing you have is good, but if anything looks like it might become good, it will be instantly snatched away. Marvellous.

Sean Kelly
23 Posted 10/05/2023 at 19:57:28
Pat, no need to pack his bag – I've done it already and called the taxi. No consistency; he can go – along with a few other mercenaries.
Nick Lacey
24 Posted 10/05/2023 at 20:04:17
I'd call his bluff. In the summer, he'll be 31; I'd take up the 12-month option of the contract extension, so he'll then be 32 when his contract expires.

I'd then offer him a 2-year contract on less money, maybe £70k a week. If he then wants to try and get more money at 32, which I don't think he'll be able to, then let him try.

Lee Courtliff
25 Posted 10/05/2023 at 20:04:21
I don't mind Doucouré but I'm not that bothered about him staying – his career with us has been mostly average. This recent run is vitally important but it doesn't warrant a lengthy contract on improved terms.

I'd happily see Onana in that role, or one of our own young players if Onana is sold in the summer. With the money for him, Gordon and Kean then surely we should have something to spend in the window!

Ian Bennett
26 Posted 10/05/2023 at 20:19:52
Doucoure has been mismanaged for most of his time at Everton. He made his name at Watford as a midfield man to break behind the striker.

His late runs getting on goals. He's now playing in his right position where he can hurt teams.

The managers playing him in defensive midfield, a two-man midfield, or asking him to pass, have totally misunderstood the player.

For me, I'd take up the year. If someone wants to put around £10M on the table, he can go – but I do think we have missed out on him.

Mike Doyle
27 Posted 10/05/2023 at 20:24:09
The likes of Shankly and Ferguson rightly took the view that, if a player didn't want to play for his team, he could leave – not a bad policy.

Teams like Brighton & Brentford have shown that there are plenty of good hungry players out there if your recruitment team are shrewd enough to find them. David Moyes was pretty good at it too.

Christy Ring
28 Posted 10/05/2023 at 20:33:17
There's a 12-month option on his contract, he's playing for his future.

Hopefully he'll put in the same performance for the next 3 games, and then we can decide on his future.

Fran Mitchell
29 Posted 10/05/2023 at 21:16:52
He was a big miss. Although, he has been largely awful.

He didn't suit at all the so-called style that Lampard wanted to implement. He is awful at retaining possession, and making simple give-and-go passes, and he's too rash in the tackle to sit deep.

What he does have is an ability to break with the ball at pace, make direct runs, and press from a higher position in midfield. He suits counter-attacking style football, and as such has suited 'Dycheball'.

He has been among the most improved players under Dyche.

Our financial situation will be a big factor. If we lose him, how will we replace? We don't exactly have funds available, and could even be sanctioned.

Davies will surely leave, and maybe Onana also.

Garner has looked great and hopefully a first-team fixture next season, Gana has been a mixture of 3/10 and 7/10 but he's the only ball winner we have. Beyond that, numbers are limited, so ideally Doucouré can stay for another season at least (so long as we do avoid relegation).

Also, anything we do in the transfer market, where we need a considerable amount done, probably requires sales.

So I'd prefer the likes of Davies, Iwobi, Gray, Maupay, Keane, Holgate, Mykolenko, Simms be sold for at least some level of fee that can be reinvested, rather than lose players on free transfers.

Oh and Lee #25, I firmly believe the Gordon and Kean money has firmly been placed in the same bank account alongside the Arteta money.

Mal van Schaick
30 Posted 10/05/2023 at 21:34:55
Doucoure should just get on with his job. He’s not bigger than the club. If he keeps his level of performance up for the remaining games, he might get lucky and have his contract renewed. If not bye bye.
Peter Mills
31 Posted 10/05/2023 at 21:39:04
“Abdoulaye, we have been quite impressed with your last two performances, although your absence for three games prior to that has been noted.

"Now, tell us how you feel about the rest of your time here?”

Ernie Baywood
32 Posted 10/05/2023 at 21:56:36
He's basically been given a free role. That's what it's taken for him to look good.

I'd hope we'd be aiming for better in that kind of role. For most of his Everton career he's been very underwhelming.

Barry Rathbone
33 Posted 10/05/2023 at 22:11:57
The trouble is, whilst physically capable, he's the same as Onana, ie, he has the adroitness of a rhino trying to play the violin. Add in the limitations of Gana and that's 3 in the middle who cough possession because they wrestle with rather than control the football.

It's a recipe for disaster if not addressed for next season, regardless of the league we're in.

Andrew Keatley
34 Posted 10/05/2023 at 22:20:09
Nick (24) - We’re obviously not in a great position financially - the bandwidth just isn’t there right now - so I don’t think either side is bluffing.

The reality for us is that we will want to be sure of avoiding relegation before we trigger the extra year, so there is a necessary limbo for both parties right now. If we are a Premier League side next year then I am confident the extra year will be triggered, at which point Doucouré and his team will be angling for an extension. Who knows what position we might be in by then, in terms of ownership/investment/potential sanctions/penalties.

Any 30-year old footballer knows that they are potentially negotiating their last big contract so will want 3 years minimum - and options of extra years with certain triggers. If Doucouré does not get those terms from us, at the wage level he thinks he is worth, then he’ll be a good free transfer for a lot of clubs across Europe who might have more financial leeway than we currently have - especially if he is fit and performing at a decent level.

Pete Clarke
35 Posted 10/05/2023 at 23:06:02
In the main, he has been poor with his possession and goal return plus he loses his head for no reason at times. If it had not been for the Palace goalkeeper restraining him earlier in the season, he would have been sent off then as well.

Agents are typically in their heads and looking for the best deal but this is where our club need good people looking after negotiations.

Offer him a 2-year deal with a decent wage. If he plays well and scores on a regular basis, then bonuses will look after him but we can't let bang-average players continue to dictate and ruin our finances as they have done for years.
Laurie Hartley
36 Posted 10/05/2023 at 23:22:20
If we can agree on terms, I would definitely keep. He has got another 3 years in him for sure and, although he is a bit hot-headed, I see that as a positive.
Colin Malone
37 Posted 10/05/2023 at 23:39:00
Had a couple of good games, have you, lad? Agent getting down your ear, because you scored a couple of goals? Well done.

You're not a young player, don't get fucking cocky. If we survive and you go, Thank you, Doucouré.

John Williams
38 Posted 10/05/2023 at 23:40:11
I have to say, his second goal really impressed me on Monday.
The finish yes, but his attitude of sprinting from his own half and to get into that scoring position was top notch.
But you need to do that on a regular basis.
Darryl Ritchie
39 Posted 10/05/2023 at 23:41:01
Up or down?
Up… he stays.
Down… bye bye.
Laurie Hartley
40 Posted 11/05/2023 at 01:48:40
John #38 – perhaps Dyche has given him permission and instructions to do that.

He is long striding and covered a lot of ground in a short space of time – and his finish was absolutely top class.

Bill Gienapp
41 Posted 11/05/2023 at 02:24:30
It never fails – one great performance and Twitter is filled with threads of "Should Doucouré get a new deal? Should Mina get a new deal?"

Let's just focus on staying up first.

Steve Brown
42 Posted 11/05/2023 at 02:25:53
John, he only started sprinting after Iwobi motored past him!

You have to look at his performances on the round over the period of his contract and consider if he has delivered value for his salary. Personally, I don't think so but Dyche seems to like him.

He was really unprofessional against Spurs getting the red and could have derailed our season – he still might. He was lucky he didn't receive the same when he got involved in a tussle against Leeds.

Finances will decide this, but I think we will activate his 1-year extension so that we receive a fee for him if we decide to let him leave in the summer.

Andrew Brookfield
43 Posted 11/05/2023 at 04:18:38
I don't think he's after more money as people state, more he feels in Limbo. If his contract was expiring at the end of the season, he'd be free to talk to other clubs now and have a deal lined up. Because Everton have an option of a year, he may or may not have a club come the summer. He's stated many times he wants to stay and activate the final year.

I fully understand why Everton are waiting given impending relegation and the financial situation. But not sure how fair that is on the player who is trapped between ‘Come and get me' and ‘Sign me up for one more year'.

Lester Yip
44 Posted 11/05/2023 at 06:17:46
Firstly, Gueye is another year older. Can he play every game still?

Secondly, Garner is a passer who keeps things moving, not as box-to-box as Doucoure. Speed to cover the amount of ground is not the same.

Also, there could be a big offer coming in for Onana and we might have to cash in. Therefore we would have Davies, whose contract is also finishing. Gomes still has 1 year with us, I think. But we might want to move him if possible.

I think a year extension makes sense from the club's perspective.

Sam Hoare
45 Posted 11/05/2023 at 07:11:02
Nothing will be decided till our future is known.

Doucouré suits Dyche. He suits a team that wants minimal possession. He's not gonna pop the ball around with accuracy and inspiration for 90 minutes but he will make a lung-busting run to get on the end of a cross or even make a last-ditch tackle. We've missed him.

Is he worth £100k a week? Almost definitely no.

Would he probably cost at least £12M to replace when we are short of money and have other areas to address? Almost definitely yes.

If we stay up and Dyche (presumably) stays on, then he will surely get his 1-year extension triggered. Beyond that, he'd need to accept a much lower wage as most box-to-box players who rely on athleticism will start to lose effectiveness in their early 30s.

Eddie Dunn
46 Posted 11/05/2023 at 07:38:34
The change of role has produced a very good attacking midfied player.
He was awful playing deeper, okay at destroying but a poor passer.
Garner has given the team some structure and Doucoure looks reinvigorated, so I would opt to grant him another year.
I think Dyche has stated in his pressers that contract negotiations have been parked until the close season, for obvious reasons.
Let's nor forget that we still have this "independent investigation" to undergo. So whether we stay up or not, our financial situation is key to any deals.
Sean Roe
48 Posted 11/05/2023 at 07:55:19
A handful of good performances since he's been here. I'd be making the decision for him, bye bye.
Derek Thomas
49 Posted 11/05/2023 at 07:57:31
He's not going to sign now to maybe play in The Championship later and if we are in The Championship he's going to have to settle for lower wages (we can barely afford to pay Premier League wages now.)

Stay up or go down, there's going to have to be major changes...if not, well there should be.

Best for both Employer and Employee(s) to leave it until June.

Tony Abrahams
50 Posted 11/05/2023 at 07:59:57
I agree with Ian@26, and I’m pretty sure Everton were doing very well under Ancellotti, and started dropping like a stone once Doucoure got injured?
Jerome Shields
51 Posted 11/05/2023 at 08:16:48
All contract talks will be parked to the Summer with the threat of relegation.Doucoure is just taking up a negotiating position.IMO it will then depend on the regime in charge. The old regime would have no problem with giving a 31 year player a one year extension and then another after that. But a progressive new regime would be looking at younger players and progressing on that bases. Dyche only uses younger players when he has to, which any Manager in a relegation dogfight would do.Doucourec is essential to the team at the moment , though has possession retention could be better.
Mark Dunford
52 Posted 11/05/2023 at 08:45:29
Like everything to do with Everton, nothing will happen on this till after the season ends and the various restructurings that simply have to take place have at least reached the point where a framework is visible.

Need I point out, still three games left with all to play for. Feet need to be firmly on ground. No assumptions.

Daniel A Johnson
53 Posted 11/05/2023 at 08:47:11
So annoyed with him saying all this. He strings a few performances together and suddenly thinks he's mustard after being sub par for seasons.

Get lost Doucoure you've been a massive part of the problem untill our last few games.

It was the same Anthony Gordon he put a few performances together and then he too suddenly became Billy big bollocks

Paul Hughes
54 Posted 11/05/2023 at 09:10:20
Nothing to see here. On Sky Sports last night here was a clip from an extended interview with Dyche. Basically he said that no contract negotiations for anyone (including himself) will take place until the end of the season. Focus needs to be elsewhere until then.
As for Doucoure, as others have said above, if he'd played like he did against Brighton every game, it would be a no-brainer to keep him - but he hasn't.
Brian Harrison
55 Posted 11/05/2023 at 09:37:02
While I agree with Sean Dyche that all discussions about contracts can wait till the season is finished, I would imagine with only weeks of the season left these players will have their agents talking to prospective new clubs.
Some have said Doucoure has only in the last few weeks started to show his worth, but Lampard froze him out of the team, and under Dyche who is using Doucouré in the right position and its paying dividends.

Despite Sean Dyche saying these contract discussions can wait I am sure he must have given an indication to certain players that he would like them to stay. But as many point out we do need to reduce our wage bill, and the only way to do that is for some of the big earners to go. Even though I am confident that we will stay up, I could still see Pickford and possibly DCL moving on, and if rumours are right Onana is on some clubs radar. I think next season will see Dyche assembling a suad he wants as so far he hasnt bought anyone.

Christopher Timmins
56 Posted 11/05/2023 at 10:14:44
I am more than happy to keep focusing on the present, City on Sunday, and leave all contract talks until after the year end.

If Doucoure decides to move on because nothing is agreed over the next two and a bit weeks, so be it. He is a limited player who can make a contribution if the team is set up in a particular way.

Believe me Everton FC will survive his departure.

Thankfully, we can get some more of the non performers out the door at the season end and by this time next year we will be saying goodbye to more of the deadwood. We might at that stage see some financial light at the end of very dark tunnel.

Don't forget a transfer ban or a points deduction could yet come our way down the line.


Michael Lynch
57 Posted 11/05/2023 at 10:46:29
Talking about players, contracts, signings etc - there is a good article on the BBC website about AZ who play West Ham tonight, and their "Moneyball" approach.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65549007

Duncan McDine
58 Posted 11/05/2023 at 11:00:16
I remember hearing talk of Steve Walsh setting up a Moneyball recruitment plan at Everton when he arrived. Laughable when you look at the amount of money that was wasted on crap players – but how much of that was due to the clueless owner and chairman going rogue with their own player recruitment?

I'm not saying that Walsh would've created a fantastic squad, but it would have surely been infinitely more balanced had Farhad and Bill kept their fucking noses out. We're now several years down the line and I don't think they've learned one single lesson.

Denis Richardson
59 Posted 11/05/2023 at 11:21:19
As noted above, very bizarre timing for this to come out. Also, not helpful in the slightest. Club and players should be 100% focused on the next 3 games. All contract talk should be parked until we know which division we’ll be playing next season.

As for Duke, he’s into his 30s so unless he’s willing to take a pay cut (unlikely) I think we should be looking for better. He’s not a home grown player either. Then again we need to be letting the likes of Davies go (contract ends this season I think), so we do need to make sure we have decent depth.

Squad needs a pretty big overhaul to add depth, pace and quality across most positions. Really something to leave to season end as well as which players we can shift out. If Dyche is staying next season, he needs to be able to bring in players he wants and get rid of those he doesn’t.

I can see a good 6-7 players being let go in the summer. Most I won’t shed a tear over. Even Mina, good player but massively injury prone and on a massive contract. We need new players in almost every position.

Matt Hayhurst
60 Posted 11/05/2023 at 12:07:08
The Doucouré that I have seen in the last few games has been unrecognisable from the Doucouré that I have been watching for the last few years.

He has been excellent.

Is it because he has been played in the wrong position, didn't suit the style of play or simply because his contract is up and he has decided to put some effort in?

Which version of Doucouré will we see once the contract situation is resolved is the dilemma.

Nick Page
61 Posted 11/05/2023 at 13:46:14
Brighton DoF last week said they expect £70m bids for Mac Alister and Caceido … each! But he said that’s fine as they always have players ready to come into the team as they know the market. And we’re fretting over a 30y old who has been pretty average.

This is the legacy issues of Kenwrights Everton that need to expunged as soon as possible. Caceido cost Brighton £5m. Where were we? Oh that’s right, pissing the trainset money up the wall on any old shite Chairman Bill and / or the owner thought were good players, and paying them a fortune that we could barely afford.

We need to be more worried about a proper professional and functioning new board more than keeping the likes of Doucoure (who I like by the way).

Dale Self
62 Posted 11/05/2023 at 14:49:06
Okay, looks like we’re all I'm a decent mood now. How about a semi-pissy question?

If you’re writing Duke off and claim thathe isn’t needed arent you expressing full faith in Dyche?

The point being Doucoure was/is essential to this functional Everton side. His strengths are what make it work not Garner’s. Yes Garner improves on Onana but it is the pressure from the forward line that is crucial. If he goes you are implicitly backung Dyche to recreate this system with a transfer.

Dale Self
63 Posted 11/05/2023 at 14:54:21
And you guys missed one.

You could have used Donkey Goatee, as in Don Quixote, when he was struggling to find Thee 11.

Graham Hammond
64 Posted 11/05/2023 at 16:23:34
Looking at the big picture, I do not think that we are currently awash with funds or cash, nor are we a team that finds goals particularly easy to come by, therefore, I think it makes financial sense to give Doucoure a two-year deal to keep him at the club with a view to possibly letting him go next Summer at the end of next season. We should get some sort of fee for him then and hopefully, he can again help us retain our Premier League status. We still have a lot to do this season to ensure survival but things are looking a lot more optimistic after the fantastic result down at Brighton. I would like transfer money spent in the Summer to go on replacing Gana Gueye, I really feel we need a quality defensive midfielder to help knit things together and who can protect the back three, back four, or back five. Shelling out a large transfer fee this Summer on a Doucoure replacement should not be a priority right now, we have more important matters to attend to in my opinion.
Jay Harris
65 Posted 11/05/2023 at 16:35:29
Doucoure has got the tank of a 25 year old and puts the shift of two players in so IMO he would be a keep on a 3 year contract.

We have developing youngsters like Warrington, Cannon and Mills to name but a few and if we keep Nkounkou he would make a good wingback so apart from a really good striker (Please not Che Adams) our needs are not that great provided we stay in the Prem.

Tony Abrahams
66 Posted 11/05/2023 at 16:36:36
Reading through this thread, I am now shaking my head, remembering how Steve Walsh, turned up in Italy, with a brief case during pre-season, looking like he was Moshiri’s bagman. Maybe he started designing his version of money-ball, when he was on the flight, Duncan!

I thought Everton played more effective and quick- one and two touch football, - than they have played for years on Monday night, and I believe this type of style definitely suits Doucoure a lot more, than when he’s got time on the ball?

Denis Richardson
67 Posted 11/05/2023 at 18:19:26
Just to add, senior players out of contract in a months time.

Bergovic, Lonergan, Mina, Coleman, Vinegre, Coady, Davies, Townsend.

Other than Bergovic for back up 'keeper, I'd be happy to see all the above off the wage list. Other than Coleman, they've not really contributed that much in any case so won't be a huge loss. Coleman has been great but he really needed replacing about at least 1-2 years ago. He's 35 in October so great to keep as back up on a reduced contract but shouldn't be first choice next season imo. (That's also assuming/hoping he recovers fully from his injury.)

Mina is supposedly on £120k/week (£6.24m/year). All the players out of contract make up about £300k on the weekly wage bill.

That's before including Doucoure with his 1 year extension. Duke is also supposedly on £120k/week. Duke, Mina and Iwobi being our highest paid players on £120k/week each - make of that what you will.

Assuming we don't need to pay any signing on/extension fee, whilst Doucoures wages are high, we'd need to pay a transfer fee to replace him if he left. Something else to consider.

Apparently Keane's on £80k/week and Holgate £70k/week - happily sell both and give Dyche more play room to sign other players.

Let's stay up first though!

Robert Tressell
68 Posted 11/05/2023 at 18:19:53
I think Walsh and others confused the film Moneyball for the Producers.
Tony Everan
69 Posted 11/05/2023 at 18:43:42
We are still 3-1 to go down, with Man City next up on Sunday. Talk of contracts, signings, comings and goings needs to be forgotten about until the massive business of staying in the league is achieved.

Agents and pundits don’t give a damn and will be pedalling their usual nonsense. Nothing should distract from the job, anything at all that makes us lose 1% of focus on the football side will be damaging. Bet your bottom dollar Leeds, Leicester and Forest will be full on to get some points at the weekend. We need to be at it too.

Ian Bennett
70 Posted 11/05/2023 at 19:05:46
If you can get £10m plus for him and move on £120k in wages, that would be a no brainer.

His injury record, pedigree and age tell you not realising the cash is a poor deal.

His £6m a year should be reinvested in a younger player that isn't injured, scores more and has a resale value - and not three years from being retired.

The same goes for Iwobi. Yes they are experienced, but that experience hasn't contributed much at £6m per season each. Look at Brighton...

Martin Mason
71 Posted 11/05/2023 at 19:34:49
Surely, if we continue to play as we did on Monday then we must keep Doucoure, Iwobi and several others? their value can only be based on current form trends and I reckon Iwobi will be in the running for PoS this year. I'm sure that Dyche and staff have a great idea of the big picture but while getting rid is fine, what about replacement? The next 3 games will provide a lot of information.
Derek Knox
72 Posted 11/05/2023 at 21:31:03
Let's not get carried away, 'one swallow doesn't make a summer' agreed they all played well but only if they can repeat at least three more times, can we consider whether they are good enough or just 'once in a blue moon' type of players. How many games have they all had and basically been very poor. One great performance and all are hailing them and talking of new Contracts etc.
Raymond Fox
73 Posted 11/05/2023 at 22:06:05
I'd want hm to stay, but it cant have been fun playing for us these last two seasons playing on a knife edge all the time.

How we perform has a lot to do with how the opposition set up and play.
It seems to suit us when teams play on the front foot and we can hit them on the break.
When teams come to Goodison and its up to us to be the attacking/offensive team, we struggle.
Thats not going to be a problem against City because they are going to be coming at us, but Pep will be well aware now what we can do on the break and wont be all gung ho.

The betting is almost identical to when we played Brighton, and again as before we are not a 15/2 shot in my book.
I doubt Pep will think they are 1/3 to win either, they wont fancy coming to Goodison they will look at the game as a banana skin.

Neil Copeland
74 Posted 11/05/2023 at 22:06:45
Derek #72, I agree with you but we also played very well at Leicester and really should have won that game also.

So, 2 swallows still doesn’t make a summer but more encouraging than 1!

Barry Hesketh
75 Posted 11/05/2023 at 22:11:34
If we stay up, I wouldn't be crying if we lost both Doucoure and Iwobi, or to be honest one or two more. Of course we have to be pragmatic and keep some of the current players on staff, but nobody has set the world alight over the last two seasons have they? Certainly few of the players deserve longer contracts or the pay packets that will accompany them
Colin Glassar
76 Posted 11/05/2023 at 22:17:22
I second that, Barry, but let’s guarantee prem survival before the cull begins.
Derek Thomas
77 Posted 11/05/2023 at 23:07:55
Christopher @ 56; "...Believe me, Everton FC will survive his departure.
Thankfully, we can get some more of the non performers out of the door too"

Too true mate we can, will and have survived better players than him leaving.

It's not the 'leavers' who have caused our recent problems - It's those who arrived and those who stayed on and Didn't leave

*looks pointedly at the Boardroom.

Andy Crooks
78 Posted 11/05/2023 at 23:21:49
Martin @ 71, I think you are doing what I often do, and it's unlike you. You are looking at a game live and allowing your judgement to be influenced by a wonderful night. Six weeks ago could you, hand on heart, have advocated a new deals for the players you mention?
Ian Riley
79 Posted 11/05/2023 at 23:51:54
Concentration on staying a premiership club please. Not the time to be informing clubs of availability. Go down? Hopefully many will be leaving. Quality and league table doesn't lie.
Kieran Kinsella
80 Posted 12/05/2023 at 02:04:43
Colin

We may as well start the cull. If we go down it will be a blood bath.

Mal van Schaick
81 Posted 12/05/2023 at 07:31:42
Denis#67. We have to start thinking this way in advance of whatever happens either survival or relegation.

For too long Everton have had a poor bench, with mediocre players sometimes called upon to replace our slightly better first team players. I, and probably many others, know that previous Directors of Football and managers have bought and brought in some very poor players into our club, hence our continuing struggles.

What did most of the fans say before this season started? We need a striker or strikers. It’s not rocket science. However, I have a gut feeling that once again we are having to ‘Make do’ with some of our squad and Dyche, will find himself in an intolerable situation (like he did at Burnley), where he knew that players needed replacing and yet he wasn’t supported by the board.

The close season, whether we survive, or get relegated will define the future of the club, the manager and the players. More of the same from past seasons is not acceptable.

Tony Abrahams
82 Posted 12/05/2023 at 08:02:42
I’ve just read an article where Dyche, was saying that it might be understandable for the fans to go on a massive roller-coaster, of highs and lows, (Martin is definitely in this bracket) depending on the teams result Andy, but one of the first things he noticed about the players, was that they were also on this very same roller-coaster.

Very interesting, this also points to a massive lack of professional focus, imo. Completely staggering really, but it definitely helps me understand why this current Everton squad, have often had me having schizophrenic thoughts, whenever I think about our team.

Lester Yip
83 Posted 12/05/2023 at 08:21:31
Can we just use the Doucoure's money to buy the Brighton's scout team? When they "gambled" on Trossard, we'd gambled on Klaassen. Even if they got it wrong and got a lemon, looks like the purchase price is a lot less.
Peter Carpenter
84 Posted 12/05/2023 at 08:34:35
That's interesting, Tony. I think we've had this problem for a few seasons now. Look at the body language of so many players when we concede at home. They look totally crushed, whatever the state of the game. Too many mentally weak players who are easily deflated?
Hopefully, Dyche has smoothed out these highs and lows. He seems like an intelligent guy to me, his interviews are interesting, not full of the usual football-speak bollocks
Rob Dolby
85 Posted 12/05/2023 at 08:38:08
Lester, I think Brighton have at least 2 ex blues in their scouting network with Davey Weir and John Doolan.

Mick Doherty went off to Chelsea a while back.

We have had some good people scouting for us.

7 different managers, 3 directors of football and 2 clowns running the shop haven't helped or brought stability.

Peter Carpenter
86 Posted 12/05/2023 at 08:57:39
Lester, I'm not sure they're any good. They got Mitoma and we got Townsend, Caicedo and we got Gueye, Enciso and Maupay I need to lie down. I feel sick.
John Raftery
87 Posted 12/05/2023 at 09:10:06
David Weir is the Technical Director at Brighton.
Martin Mason
88 Posted 12/05/2023 at 09:12:33
Tony@82 That is very true and I do apologise. I think that it's the relegation thing, the terrible state the club is really in and then the massive swing in performance especially at Brighton. I'm taking more interest now in going to see games after several years of supporting from the side-lines. I thank people like Mark, Danny and Big Gareth for this.
Martin Mason
89 Posted 12/05/2023 at 09:16:31
Andy@78, you are right of course, I will only be sure if they can show that the change in form is permanent. One good thing was that Mina and Duke were both absolutely ecstatic during the game.
Russelll Smith
90 Posted 12/05/2023 at 09:49:34
If we stay up I think Everton will trigger his one year extension and then seek a small fee when they sell him.
I think Lyon will buy Gomes for a small fee and we may get a small fee for Gbamin, the remaining out of contract players, with the exception of Shemus and Begovic, will be let go.
It is possible that both Keane and Holgate will be sold, again for small fees due to their excessive wages. Maupey already seems to have some suitors. Amazingly. This should significantly reduce the wage bill if we promote some of our promising younger players and buy sensibly.
The two overarching reasons this may change are relegation and/or a transfer ban for our financial mismanagement. Incidentally when is this case going to be heard? It certainly doesn’t look like it will be before this season concludes.
Laurie Hartley
91 Posted 12/05/2023 at 09:57:12
Talking of highs and lows - I was dejected after the Fulham and Newcastle results but the performance at Leicester really encouraged me and I was looking forward to the Brighton game until Pete Hughes burst my optimism bubble.

Then elation set in again with dreams of glory emanating from my lunatic mind. I even had a dream that we came from behind to draw with City 4-4. Goodison was rocking. Such is the life of an Evertonian but I wouldn’t swap it for anything.

We will be great again.
Up the Blues.

Raymond Fox
92 Posted 12/05/2023 at 11:52:39
Some of the players not featuring in the team now obviously can go.

Its ok talking about getting rid of the likes of Doucoure but we have to find players that are at least as good as him, they don't grow on trees.

If Calvert-Lewin had been fit for more games this season we wouldnt be in this scrap now.
Or If they had found a decent replacement for him when one was obviously needed, again we wouldnt be fighting to stop in the division.

Alan McGuffog
93 Posted 12/05/2023 at 12:02:18
In my naivety, during the dark days twelve months ago I felt assured that those in charge would be planning for the close season, shifting deadwood and getting some decent, athletic, youngsters in so that we wouldn't be in a similar position again. To paraphrase something a theatre chappie said decades ago.
I worry that there is no-one at the club who can be trusted with rebuilding. Literally. Our board reminds me of all those Martin Borman types who found themselves in Bolivia in 1945.
I note that United are rumoured to be sniffing around Pickford. I note, also, that Liverpool are looking at a back up keeper for Alison. I note that Kelleher is sick of getting splinters in his arse. Red pals tell me he is the real deal.
So I wonder if we could do a deal for him, if Pickford leaves. Or will we wait until late September ( cue for a song ) and get David Lawson back on loan
Tony Abrahams
94 Posted 12/05/2023 at 12:34:16
It has been rumored that if Everton get relegated Pickford would be allowed to leave for £35 million Alan.

Looking at how Liverpool have operated in the transfer market for years, I’d be very surprised if they didn’t get anything between £20-25 million, for Kelleher, although this will depend on how long he has remaining on his contract?

You will definitely get a much different perspective of everything once you start attending the game on a more regular basis Martin, so I’m glad you have been getting to a few more games mate.

Iain Johnston
95 Posted 12/05/2023 at 12:38:49
Question is who do replace Mina, Doucouré & Davies with? There is the square root of zero to spend.
We'll not be competing for the Gibbs -White's of this league who in the end will cost Forest over £40m. How much did Arsenal spend on Ben White? £50m and the other Brighton lad, Cucurella, went to Chelsea for even more. None of these players were headliners.

Nkounkou is leaving, I doubt we'll see Branthwaite in an Everton shirt again either so talk of selling Mykolenko is ridiculous.

Our level will be free transfers, maybe the likes of Amartey & Lerma with a possible punt on Traoré... if we're lucky.

We certainly don't have the financial muscle to buy a striker similar to DCL so we'll spend half of next season integrating Simms & Cannon.

Our Club is run by muppets who thought Besic was a better and more expensive investment than Aderwiereld and Haaland was too expensive at £5m.

My current level of expectancy is zero.

Joe McMahon
96 Posted 12/05/2023 at 12:42:14
If the worse happens we will be left with the players who cannot get in the first team now, and Michael Keane.

I'll leave that one with you all 😐

Fran Mitchell
97 Posted 12/05/2023 at 12:43:05
Mina should not be given an extension, as his injury problems will persist. He is, when fit, an elite defender, he would fit in at pretty much any Champions League level team. But we as a club are looking to stabilise as a mid-table premier league team, and then to compete in the Uefa Conference League. That is our goal for the next 3-4 years.

For that we need reliable centre back options, 3 players competing week in week out. Tarkowski, Branthwaite and an other in ideally. All of Keane, Godfrey, Coady, Holgate and Mina should not be part of that.

But I like Mina, cause he is so good and his personality on the pitch is something we lack, and despite him being cast aside and not used for a single minute under Dyche, he has clearly not let up in training, no slacking or saying 'whatever, I'll be gone in the summer'. When he stepped up on Monday, he showed he had clearly been waiting for his chance and was fully prepared, no rustiness, no lack of fitness. Fair play to him for that, many player would have thrown in the towel.

3 more performances like that and he'll be remembered fondly.

Mick O'Malley
98 Posted 12/05/2023 at 15:15:33
Personally I wouldn’t offer him a new contract, he’s had a few decent games since Dyche came in, he’s scored a few important goals granted but let’s be honest, most of the time it looks like his feet are on the wrong legs, he’s not going to get any better at his age, I’d let him go
Alan McGuffog
99 Posted 12/05/2023 at 15:58:59
Gosh...thank you sooooo much Duke for that. What a servant ! Perhaps I could come round and wash your car in appreciation. Listen pal...you and the other overpaid mercenaries got us into the shite in the first place. I don't give two tuppence turds what your plans are. The only player I'll be sad never to see in Royal Blue again will be Seamus.
Anthony Hawkins
100 Posted 12/05/2023 at 16:02:14
The issue with the current crop of players is 11 will be out of contract by the end of the 2024 season. Add the restrictions of FFP, the club will unlikely be able to replace all 11 in that timeframe unless significant investment is made into the club.

That means astute decisions have to be made to keep hold of those who might not be top of their game but can make a difference - or sell some for a high price to generate funds for transfers.

This is where being relegated would have killed us as a club as reduced income from the league plus high wages and losing players would mean we have even less £££ to put back into the club - if any. We're a club on the cusp of bankruptcy yet talking about letting a player go without the means of replacing them.

Bobby Mallon
101 Posted 12/05/2023 at 21:52:10
I wouldn’t give him a new contract.

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