Vinagre signs off with heartfelt message to fans

I remember him playing well against us when he was at Wolves – or is that only in my imagination?

Anyway, good luck to him for the rest of his career.

However, if he couldn't get a place ahead of Mykolenko, he must be absolutely shocking.

Regardless of whether he was any good or not, we knew we had no money. Or was that just a sneaky way to get his team to send him out on loan by offering false hope we'd make it permanent?

We have to remember, he's been thrown around a bit from club to club in recent years, so has hardly had time to settle.

And then he walks into a club caught in serious turbulence with the natives restless and, as I read today from Dyche, practically in the midst of civil war between the board and the supporters.

He is still only 24. Plenty of time for him to progress.

Mike #2, I couldn't disagree more. I think Mykolenko is one of the best defensive left-backs in the Premier League -- positionally excellent, pacy, fearless in the challenge and a really good shot-blocker.

I saw few egregious mistakes this season, while he was playing under tremendous personal stress. Obviously he's not a contributor in attack, but I think he will improve in that area and I'm glad we have him.

I think Mykolenko gets as rough deal off some. Perfect? No.

He is a good defender who some of us have discussed might be good as a left centre-back, but possibly better in a back three.

And, 22 years old having just come over from Ukraine.

Give him a chance. Dwight McNeil was written off earlier in the season after several games. He ended up being one of our best performers in the hour of need.

Nice guy I'm sure but just doesn't have the skill to cut it in the modern game.

And, I also think Mykolenko is a very good defender who just needs to improve his delivery. With Dyche as manager, he will almost certainly be expected to deliver plenty of crosses into the box.

We just need a striker to finish them!

It would have been completely understandable if he had gone off in a huff after hardly getting a game but he didn't.

Good luck to the lad.

Any money needs spending elsewhere at the moment, it's the goal department that needs all the attention. The left-back situation may well be revisited next year if necessary.

And, Kieran, it may be a play on value. Ask Robert but maybe they set a benchmark for future negotiations that way as a strategy to get rid.

I remember the talented Mark Higgins who couldn't seem to shake off injuries and yet he could have been an England regular but it wasn't to be.

Kevin Beattie of Ipswich was one of the best left-backs I ever saw but always got injured and allowed Emlyn Hughes to get so many caps in that position.

The list is endless but that's football. It can be a very short career for many so who can blame them for appearing greedy when contracts are negotiated?

Still, if it gets ye up….

Many doubted and criticised him when he first came to the club. Moyes pushed him into a higher position often as he wasn't sure of him at right back.

Judging players after a handful of games, especially young players, is, well, judgemental. Some done it with McNeil this season.

Mike @21, I'm guessing you are talking about the 22 year old Mykolenko by the way.

In my humble opinion, we have two young fullbacks with potential who had to try and settle into a league that is far higher standard that they were accustomed to, neither having played many games. One coming from a country ravaged by war.

But both have potential. Hopefully they get a more stable season next time around to demonstrate that.

Back to Seamus. An icon loved by the supporters. Cost £60K as we all sing weekly. A 21 year old who grew up playing Gaelic football. Took time to settle at Everton and lets be honest, quite a few were unsure. Loaned to Blackpool.

Came back to Everton. The rest is his history.

The moral of the story? Wait before judging young players. You just never know.

Mykolenko cares. Whether this matters to others or his abilities as a footballer doesn't bother me. But at away games, he is mostly always the first over to us and giving his shirt to a young supporter, regardless of the result.

Btw it's just an opinion on footballing ability and good luck to them, they're getting well paid to do a job. I'd just rather it wasn't at Everton because we could do a lot better, in my opinion.

I agree with you Danny that Patterson is decent now and has future potential. He's fast, physical, aggressive and can attack

Just don't see it in Mykolenko, I hope I'm wrong.

Mykolenko is five years younger than his predecessor Digne and superior to him defensively in my opinion. We sold Digne for 㿅 million, banking a ٥ million profit on him, and paid 㾾 million for Myko. And Myko's weekly salary is less than half of what we were paying Digne.

That is some EXCELLENT business. And we don't do much business fitting that description.

When we do gather some talented young players, people want the club to sell them. You can't have it all ways!

That's quite a lot of money for a left back who's extremely limited going forwards and only a bit better than average defensively.

Estupinan cost less. Malacia cost less. James Justin, Andrew Robertson, Tsimikas and Ait-Nouri all cost a lot less.

I like Mykolenko, he's a trier for sure, but I don't think he should be our left back long term and I don't think he should have cost more than 㾶m. Maybe he'll prove me wrong if he improves the offensive part of his game but I can't see it at the moment. Perhaps he can become a Wan-Bissaka type player who doesn't add much up the pitch but locks down his side defensively but currently he's nowhere near that secure. And he's 24, so not exactly a kid like Patterson.

Brian@34, I'm glad we haven't taken up the option on Coady. Gotta wait at least until we sell one or both of Holgate and Keane and I think there are better options out there, even for ٣m.

Mykolenko is solid as a full-back. He is positionally very good. Smells danger like a full-back should. Still a young lad who's got a lot of improvement in him.

I think most of the criticism of him comes from his attacking play. Which is fair to a point. He needs to work on his distribution and his crossing.

I believe he's only going to get better.