Brentford 1 - 3 Everton

Everton outplayed Brentford this evening with Sean Dyche and his men securing their first win of the Premier League campaign.

Seamus Coleman, Andre Gomes and Dele Alli were still out injured with Jack Harrison, having played 45 minutes for the U21s last night in their first win of the season, not quite ready yet for his Premier League debut.

Patterson, Keane, Calvert-Lewin and Danjuma were on the bench, while the Terrible Trio continue in midfield, with Garner starting, hopefully ahead of them but possibly on the wing.

For the home side, Neal Maupay sits this one out because he is on loan from Everton. Schade was injured in the warm-up.

It was a very lively start with Beto almost getting in for a chance before Brentford's first attack was met with a heavy challenge by Young and a very early yellow card.  Doucouré tried to advance with the ball but was lumbering, but at least he won a corner. and from the second or third phase ball, Garner found Trakowski who delivered a brilliant ball forward and a lovely half-volley by Doucoure gave Everton the lead. 

Everton were looking for the ball and trying to attack with Doucoure down the left getting well involved and Onana doing well to intercept but Beto was double-teamed. Brentford looked to build but their possession was a bit laborious and Everton again stole the ball to hold onto it a little bit longer this time before it was lost by Mykolenko.

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Beto produced a great headed layoff to McNeil who drove ahead but screwed his shot inches wide of the far post. Garner was caught by what looked like a high tackle but, as Brentford were the home side, he only got a talking to. Everton tried a move through the middle but the ref stopped play when he should have played advantage.   A cross came in off the free-kick but Onana could only head wide. Brentford tried to play out but Everton were good with the high press.

Everton were working hard to force turnovers, but a little too slow and tentative when it came to forward play but a ball did fall to Mykolenko, however, he couldn't fashion a shot.  McNeil tries to advance but his cross evaded both Beto and Garner.

Everton did well to get a decent spell of forward pressure but couldn't fashion a chance despite some good play around the Brentford area. From a long ball, Doucouré got into almost the same spot from where he scored only this time his shot smacked into the bar.

Brentford went up the other end though and Jensen fired past Pickford and in off the the post. The VAR looked long and hard at the moment the ball was played to Wissa, who definitely looked offside, but that was ignored, probably because Brainthwaite's poor clearance meant a different phase and the goal was allowed to stand!

The goal gave the home side a massive lift while it was a huge kick in the teeth for Everton and they rocked back on their heels as Brentford now attacked with force and power. But Everton found Beto and got forward again, although the attack stalled and that allowed the Brentford defence to reform. 

A tremendous drive forward with the ball by Gueye laid on the perfect through ball to Beto who had a fantastic chance to beat Flekken but he mishit it terribly and the ball bobbled harmlessly wide. But Brentford were threatening more and more as they drove forward with shots from Janelt and Hickey.

Beto drove forward again down the left and crossed behind Onana who bizarrely tripped himself up.  At the other end it looked like a second with Mbeumo free and crossing to the far post for Lewis-Potter but a brilliant interception by Tarkowski prevented the shot.  

Everton built up another good-looking attack only for the Gueye to decide it was time for him to make yet another ridiculous attempt at striking the ball goalward. In the next attack, he did better to play in Beto instead, who assumed he would have runners inside the 6-yard area to convert his excellent cross… Nope! 

Another giveaway by Gueye almost caused havoc in the Everton defence with Mbuemo running into Branthwaite. Everton responded with another forward move but Doucouré's header did not find a blue shirt and that ended a half in which Everton had played fairly well but, with better quality, could have gotten three or four goals. 

The second half got underway in somewhat disjointed fashion, neither side able to retain possession. Beto tried a shot from a ridiculous distance. McNeil tried from a bit closer, but straight at Flekken. 

As the hour-mark approached, Calvert-Lewin was readied as Onana tried a difficult header at the far post. Tarkowski planted a great cross on Beto's head but he was too far out and it bounced wide. McNeil did well steal the ball but then shot tamely well wide. And finally Beto was withdrawn for Calvert-Lewin.

Onana showed good spirit to steal the ball off Mbuemo but Everton could not fashion a strike at goal. But they eventually won a corner, McNeil to take but Doucloure getting a talking to as Tarkowski ghosted in with a very fine header to give Everton the lead once again.  

Brentford got into the Everton area for the first time in the second half and absolute chaos followed in a classic goalmouth scramble that Everton incredibly survived. They went up the other end and won another corner that flew inches over Tarkowski's head. 

Garner forced a turnover and powered a great ball through to Calvert-Lewin who shot far too close to Flekken but somehow it spun off Flekken's heel and into the net for Everton's third.

A great moment when a dreadful clearance by Pickford fell to a Brentford player but Micheal Oliver got in his way with Pickford well out of his goal.  Everton still had a lot of work to do despite the unprecedented luxury of a 2-goal lead as the game entered the final 10 minutes.

And it was pretty good game management by the Blues to keep Brentford largely at bay as the clock ticked away 6 more added minutes.  Branthwaite had to come across smartly to stop Olakigbe from scoring and enable a fine if very rare Everton away win.

Brentford: Flekken, Hickey (73' Ghoddos [Y:82']), Collins, Pinnock, Roerslev (61' Ajer), Jensen, Norgaard, Janelt (62' Onyeka), Schade Lewis-Potter, Mbeumo [Y:77'], Wissa.

Subs: Strakosha, Zanka, Yarmolyuk, ( Olakigbe) Brierley.

Everton: Pickford, Young [Y:1'], Tarkowski, Branthwaite [Y:90+1'], Mykolenko, Onana (77' Danjuma), Gana, Doucouré, Garner, McNeil, Beto (64' Calvert-Lewin).

Subs: Virginia, Patterson, Keane, Godfrey, Chermiti, Hunt, Dobbin. 

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Iain Johnston
1 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:34:21
Right then, so the usual isolated striker who'll need to set his watch to a different time zone.

Oh well. Is there any Premier League team Dyche isn't afraid of?

Jerome Shields
2 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:37:47
I thought Danjuma played well last game. He has just made way for another midfielder.
Alex Gray
3 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:39:16
The utter clown has dropped Danjuma for Garner on the wing despite him stinking out the place because he's not a winger.
Christy Ring
4 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:39:19
At this stage, does Dyche not know that Garner is not a winger?
Anthony Jones
5 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:40:17
Danjuma is a direct threat from wide, but he defends less than Garner...playing for a goalless draw again.

The 3 Stooges in the middle remain shoe ins.

David King
6 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:44:17
Dyche going all out for another 1-0 defeat with that team!
Oliver Molloy
7 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:47:25
If Calvert Lewin is fit Dyche should be playing two big strikers together for me.
We need points badly, just have a fucking go man.
Clive Rogers
8 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:48:07
Poor team selection. No changes to centre mid. Ridiculous.
Alan J Thompson
9 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:54:46
I really don't see how Young gets preference over Patterson and scoring seems more a matter of chance than ambition.
George Cumiskey
10 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:57:41
I can see a taxi for Dyche if we get beat and deservedly so after that cowardly team selection !
Alex Gray
11 Posted 23/09/2023 at 16:59:55
Just can't get over dropping one of our two players who have scored in the league this year for a defensive midfielder. It's time for Dyche to go.
Si Cooper
12 Posted 23/09/2023 at 17:00:35
I regard Brentford as a tough nut to crack but they have to be in the category of you could give them too much respect and suffer for it.
Will we ever see DCL and Beto on the pitch at the same time? I think they could work well together and I’m hopeful that at the moment they are just ironing out the kinks in training and perhaps still being careful with DCL’s robustness.
3 points from this game has to be the aim as it would be such a timely boost.
Steve Cotton
13 Posted 23/09/2023 at 17:05:31
Harrison half game for the u21's showed he has got something different. But not even on the bench.

Poor team selection and idealess midfield..

Prob go and win it now

Farkov Redz
14 Posted 23/09/2023 at 17:22:52
Dyche is so gone hopefully after that bs, seriously wtf is wrong with him lmfao, inept happy to do nothing and actually put two up top, have a go at them.
John Dingle
15 Posted 23/09/2023 at 17:42:25
Dyche is just as stubborn in selecting the wrong team as all the clowns we’ve had since Moyes.
Danjuma has been one of our few successes, he drops him, Patterson offers attacking presence and hence maybe a goal Onana, Doucoure and Gaye not working. Change something!!
John Dingle
16 Posted 23/09/2023 at 17:47:15
DCL and Beto could be our Ron and Wynn Davis at least give them a go.
Simon Harrison
17 Posted 23/09/2023 at 18:03:04
I've tried to keep my peace about EFC team on the pitch, and let other more positive posters try and gee up the rest of the TW fanbase.

As my Mum and Dad used to say, "Say now't if you've nothing good to say."

However, this team selection and the attitude of the manager towards games, just stinks as much as the off-field situation.

No daring to think differently, and the continuation of playing the untouchables in the same style where they (Onana, Gueye and Doucoure, Young (our backup FB) on free kicks) have been completely ineffectual thus far.

The same bastardised 4-4-2 system, but playing an ageing, limited #8 in the #10 or advanced AMF position, which just doesn't work as Doucoure just doesn't offer enough. What is 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 anyway, other than being hope and pray for a counter attack from where?

Why has Patterson been relegated to the bench, surely play him, and if he has a poor'ish game THEN bring on Young?

Why is Garner being pushed wide when again, he has demonstrated that he is defensively weak there, and it wastes what his true skill-set is, which is to provide the MF pivot to distribute the play?

Laurie (sorry can't remember his surname ) on the original Bees v Toffees post, picked the team that provides defensive 'solidity', and options going forward, and keeps the defence and midfield close, but can either break or link going forward.

Here's the team with one change from me; 3-5-2


Tarks Branners Myko

Patterson Garner Onana Danjuma (Doucoure) McNeil

Beto & Danjuma or Beto & DCL or DCL & Danjuma

Why does Dyche stick with a failing team and system?

If it ain't broke don't fix it! Well Sean, it is broke, now please, Please, PLEASE realise that it's broke, and fix it!!

What did someone somewhere say once, "Repeating the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result, is the definition of madness (or continued failure!")

In saying that, COYB and blind faith! We need the three points!

Simon Dalzell
18 Posted 23/09/2023 at 18:04:44
That's just twisting the knife, showing the Brentford goal offside then changing it.
Kieran Kinsella
19 Posted 23/09/2023 at 18:11:02
Was that replay showing the line and the offside from the VAR people or was that just the TV company showing what they assumed VAR were looking at? If the former then why did they review it if as they said on TV here that offside was in the build up so immaterial?
Simon Dalzell
20 Posted 23/09/2023 at 18:18:02
Don't know what the hell was going on Kieran. Typical VAR nonsense
John Wignall
21 Posted 23/09/2023 at 18:18:25
Spot on kieran why look and change their minds no wonder people think it fixed
Kieran Kinsella
22 Posted 23/09/2023 at 18:23:58
The goal and their almost second goal came from Myko being exposed but surely Onana or McNeil should be providing coverage as Gueye and Garner have been doing on the right with Young?

John Hood the Brentford fan suggested their defense was jittery and we’ve had a few occasions where another forward in the box could have snatched one. Onana hasn’t been in the game I would sub him for an attacker.

Alan J Thompson
23 Posted 23/09/2023 at 18:27:57
A half were each side seemed buoyed after scoring. For our goal I was thinking that it happened because we had men in the box albeit the aftermath of a corner. Before this we seemed to be dropping back too far but the goal changed that as it did for Brentford when they scored although I thought we should have done better. It was a matter only of inches but Branthwaite, who has played well, should have pushed up partly with the line but more a matter of putting their player offside. Indeed either side could have scored three but I can't help thinking that if Doucoure had hit the net rather than the bar then it might have been all over as a match. And I like the way Gana is getting more involved going forward even if his shooting hasn't improved. Could well be the next goal determines the winner as both sides seem to drop off after conceding.
John Wignall
24 Posted 23/09/2023 at 18:28:32
Worth bringing Calvert-Lewin on to help Beto who is causing them all kinds of problems.
Kieran Kinsella
25 Posted 23/09/2023 at 18:31:05
John Wignall,

Totally agree, eg, that cross/shot he did and no one was incoming to finish it.

Oliver Molloy
26 Posted 23/09/2023 at 18:34:04
Brentford playing balls across the pitch targeting Young any chance they get - they obviously see him as a weak link and they are right. Patterson should be playing right back.

Gana has been very poor - rocket up his arse time, Beto should have scored and if he had another attack minded player up there with him we would be in front from his pass across the goal.

Hopeful for the second half...please !!

Oliver Molloy
27 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:31:12
Over the fucking moon, have a great night Evertonians ah !!
Alex Gray
28 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:31:16
Dyche replacing Danjuma with Garner was an absolute masterclass. Never doubted it… *cough*.
Christy Ring
29 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:31:34
Massive win, great performance delighted for Calvert-Lewin and maybe you can layoff Dyche now.
Joe McMahon
30 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:32:04
That's more like it!

We can all enjoy a Saturday night now!

Tony Everan
31 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:32:07
Wait for it… Moshiri, “I've decided not to sell”

A great away performance, caused them problems all afternoon, mention to the young lads Branthwaite and Garner immense today.
Onana had one of his best games too, got involved in midfield at last and did well.

Great stuff and more to come by the looks of it. Really good that we conceded the equaliser and still kept the belief, then got our just rewards.

Will Mabon
32 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:35:44
Better? Looked like another team. Shows what is possible, and this squad is not so shite as some imply. Belief and motivation are key.
Alan J Thompson
33 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:37:15
What a difference it makes when you go out with some intent. Perhaps an early goal helped although any sort of goal helps

Brentford reminded me of what we have been doing in so much as they didn't seem to have any system, purpose or method to their play. And we scored from a corner so somebody must have recognized that we needed better deliveries.

Our MotM? Branthwaite looks like a star in the making and Mykolenko was not far behind but for me McNeil with his ability to hold and run with the ball had the greatest effect.

If we can do the same in our next two games, then we should move well up the ladder but we're not ten games in yet.

Jerome Shields
34 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:37:50
What a relief to move up the table. The Manager produced a fit side who were well prepared. Defence was okay, but the goal against was disappointing.

Midfield wasbetter with more options. Some players still error-prone, but defence coping. Attack and final third play was better.

Ben King
35 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:43:47
Superb win.

Well done to the fans, Dyche and the players!!


Barry Rathbone
36 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:43:53
The first 17 posts on this thread are marvellous. Talk about setting yourself up as a hostage to fortune why not give it 10mins before putting the boot in?
Ed Prytherch
37 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:44:01
Great game today but a pity that Dyche marched straight down the tunnel at the final whistle. The travelling fans deserve more respect than that.
Christine Foster
38 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:44:41
Front-foot football. They weren't Arsenal but the difference was as clear as day. Hungry to win the ball and attack.

Beto was unlucky, Calvert-Lewin showed he is a better finisher, but all in all good performances around the pitch, thank goodness.

Si Cooper
39 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:46:34
Tarkowski's goal is actually a great example of teamwork. Doucouré being such a pain, the keeper has to retreat and Branthwaite making a run to pull defenders away from the zone the ball dropped in.

I thought Beto tried the right finish but just put too much lateral on the ball as he lifted it over the keeper and his squared ball after that dart into the area deserved someone to be looking to convert it at the back post.

Brian Williams
40 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:48:44
Barry #36.

Because some fuckers just love to moan mate. Embarrased for them.

Si Cooper
41 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:49:13
Barry (36), what exactly do you dislike about my post at 12?
Neil Tyrrell
42 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:49:24
Ed, NBC showed Dyche walk out onto the pitch and applaud the traveling fans.

3 goals and 3 points, happy days

Simon Harrison
43 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:50:17
I still believe what I posted, look at the opposition tonight.

However, credit where credit is due, we got the win. UTFT!!

Dinner is tasting better tonight. No, not Crow-pie either... :)

As for people calling lay-off and being held to ransom etc etc. Go look at the Live Forum...

Great respect to John Hood posting up (Bees fan), and he was right: Brentford were woeful, and we made them look better and gave them hope.

Anyhoo, onwards and upwards!!

Si Cooper
44 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:52:30
Ed (37), he spoke about them in his after match interview.
George Cumiskey
45 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:52:36
Christine Foster,

You've just said everything I was going to say, stop it will you.😂

Dave Lynch
46 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:54:30
That will do for starters.

Build on it and more of the same please.

Bill Gienapp
47 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:57:11
Looks like a lot of us are eating some tasty crow tonight.

I too was scratching my head over the Danjuma - Garner swap and grumbling about Dyche's stubbornness, but credit where credit's due.

The big issue in recent years, however, has been a glaring inability to build on strong performances. Luton at home will be the easiest shot at 3 points we have all season – let's get it done and start moving up the table!

On a side note, this was also a reminder of how much can change in the early stages of the campaign. We were all quaking at the thought of Brentford... suddenly they're just 2 points better than us, have lost back-to-back matches, haven't won at home all season, and have a squad that's looking awfully thin at the moment.

Phil Parker
48 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:58:35
We have some good players now and a very good manager who is slowly improving the squad. Between 2005 and 2019 we finished outside the top 8 three times, we went for it with Moshiri and made a right mess of it. But we are on our way back up now.

Some "Evertonians" need to give their head a wobble, or as they used to say to any moaners at Goodison, "If you don't want to support us go and watch the other lot across the park".

Mike Gaynes
49 Posted 23/09/2023 at 19:59:23
"a great ball through to Calvert-Lewin who shot far too close to Flekken but somehow it spun off Flekken's heel and into the net."

Michael, are you kidding with that claptrap? He put the ball through the keeper's legs deliberately. Yeah it hit the guy's heel on the way through, but give Dom the credit he deserves for the shot.

And a great moment was McNeil behind the play spreading his arms in celebration as soon as the pass reached Dom. He knew.

Brendan McLaughlin
50 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:01:22
Well done Sean & the boys...
Michael Kenrick
51 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:01:56
Very honest assessment from Thomas Frank.

I didn't think Everton were that great to be honest but they did exactly what they utterly failed to do last week... play some bloody football. Chase the ball down, put opposition players under pressure, get some shots on target.

Even so, they needed Brentford to have a bad day, which they did.

Barry Hesketh
52 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:02:52
I think most of us were worried that Brentford would be one of the worst teams we could face in this period; however, due to them not playing as well, or not being allowed to play as well, it turned out they were perfect opponents for us.

The most pleasing thing for me was that Everton kept trying to go forwards regardless of the score and regardless of how many minutes were left on the clock.

Beto didn't do as well as I hoped he would but he did enough to think there is a really good player in there and when he's adjusted to the pace of the Premier League we might see the best of him.

Branthwaite at least when he's in the middle of the box, is awesome, not so great out on the touch-line, but he's a really top talent. Garner, McNeil and Doucouré all vied for the man of the match, but I'd go with Garner, because of his elegance and vision to find people with a pass.

An all round good performance and if they can match the result of today a few more times, who knows, we might have the making of a fairly good young Everton team, although that lack of strength in depth will always handicap any true momentum.

Mark Ryan
53 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:06:34
I thought James Garner was MOTM. A player who drives us forward. Thank goodness for Jimmy G today. Well played that man, you were the difference.
Raymond Fox
54 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:06:42
There you go, I don't yet see the usual moaning fuckers come on and give credit where it's due. They would be on like a shot if we had lost.

Sack Dyche, yeah good call.

Si Cooper
55 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:08:08
Sorry MK but you are being a proper grouch if you don't think Everton's performance was a significant factor in Brentford having a bad day.
Jimmy Carr
56 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:09:16
I was calling for Dyche to make sure he made some changes on the preview thread this morning.

What the hell do I know?

Great result and desperately needed. Upwards & onwards.

David West
57 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:09:18
Played a lot better. Yes, it's not Arsenal but it shows that Dyche set them out to play so defensively against Arsenal. It wasn't the players playing badly, they were sticking to the plan, a bad plan.

Today, a new plan for new opposition and in the main it worked. Pressing higher, attacking second and loose balls, and playing variety, not just long balls to feet too.

I thought McNeil and Doucouré were good. Branthwaite just looks like a young Bobby Moore (no pressure). It's going to be tougher to keep him come January.

Who else in our midfield could play a pass like Garner's for Calvert-Lewin?

Luck hasn't been with us up to now this season, but the luckiest teams are the hardest working teams. We worked hard today, got a bit of luck, the mele in the box, the ball off the ref, balls fall for you if you are working hard for them second balls.

Build from this!!!

Colin Glassar
58 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:11:35
Massive round of applause for the away fans. They are our real heroes. The players did quite well as well.
Iain Johnston
59 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:12:15
Well, I was proved wrong. My size 13s are now firmly in my mouth!

Decent joined-up stuff and a forward supported by his midfielders.

I think Beto will be a great addition once he's found the pace of this league, McNeil will be up to his dipsy doodle runs like he's holding an ice hockey stick when fully match fit.

Good win Blues, well played... nice one. Let's now do the same to Luton & Bournemouth.

Kevin Edward
60 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:12:49
Terrific! At last, a performance with some points, I'm chuffed for the travelling blues.

If we carry on like this (and I'm praying we do) then I just can't understand what happened last week at Goodison.

Perhaps Dyche learned something, he must have read the posts on TW.

Enjoy it, we may be turning the corner.

Dale Self
61 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:12:50
Womp womp for all the minimizing of a decent away victory. Bummer for the death of another assumed narrative; It is football and you have to wait and see sometimes. Or you can pile on and hear about it later. This is a decent squad that will play hard for each other.
Ian Riley
62 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:19:31
Controlled performance and played with pace and purpose.

Sorry, this is rubbish "Brentford had a bad day". No, we just played better. We need to build on this now. Hopefully 4 or 6 points from our next 2 league fixtures.

Well done, Mr Dyche and the team.

Mike Hayes
63 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:24:01
About time we played well together as it could have been another Arsenal display – we never know from one game to the next which team will turn up.

A good 3 points away, good to see Calvert-Lewin score coming on – maybe a start with Beto in a 4-4-2. Beto can hold the ball up as Calvert-Lewin finds a possible scoring position.

Nice feeling having a win to savour – fingers crossed for more to come. 💙

Barry Hesketh
64 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:29:40
Bookies didn't fancy our chances pre-match as these odds show:

Brentford - 10/11
Draw - 13/5
Everton - 3/1.

Brentford until today, had only lost once in 23 games played in London. Sean Dyche recorded his first win in August or September since 2019, drew four lost ten.

Information courtesy of the Echo.

Now comes the difficult part, putting two teams to the sword in back-to-back games at Goodison. I haven't forgotten the League Cup but I expect an under-strength team to take to the pitch at Villa Park.

Danny O’Neill
65 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:30:40
On my way home with a massive smile on my face.

I'll write up tomorrow, but what a following. What an atmosphere.

Well done blues, you were relentless and noisy, start to finish.

Get in.

Colin Glassar
66 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:31:38
Barry, first time we've beaten Brentford away in 72 years, I believe.
Brian Williams
67 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:33:40
Colin that's because for 70 years we were in separate leagues and didn't play each other, I believe?
Paul Birmingham
68 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:34:55
Fabulous controlled performance today.

All enjoy this Saturday night and the rest of the weekend.

Made up, and Everton played some good football today, and stopped Brentford from playing.


Terry Farrell
69 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:35:34
Great performance by the team and our away fans. Lovely cool finish by Dom and he looked in charge when he came on.

Garner superb all game and a clever rob and slot for Calvert-Lewin's goal. Young exposed and caused their goal. He did better 2nd half but Patterson is way better.

Barry Hesketh
70 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:36:58
Colin @

I hadn't realised that the game you mentioned was our only victory at Brentford, until today!

John Willie Parker and Harry Potts each scored a brace in a 4-2 win for the Toffees.

Brentford away 20 September 1952

Kunal Desai
71 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:40:45
Had that feeling we were going to collect 3 points today and what a 3 points and performance that was. Not too far off the Brighton result last season. Could have and should have been 5 or 6 here.

James Garner, Dyche cannot afford to drop him. Instrumental throughout the 90 minutes.

We need some momentum now, go with a strong side again in midweek with minimal changes where possible with the key focus on the back-to-back home games against Luton and Bournemouth. Got to back this performance up.

Dyche now has options up front and off the bench. No excuses. Start climbing that table.

Dennis Stevens
72 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:41:12
I think the last away League victory over Brentford was back in September '52 in Division 2, Colin.

So this was our first ever away victory over them in the top flight, I think.

Ajay Gopal
73 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:42:27
Colin, was that the last time Everton were relegated from the top tier? Ominous sign?

Naah..: this team is actually pretty good when everyone is available. When Harrison also gets fit, I would play him for Gana. Then, we would have some decent options off the bench. However, we are at least 1 midfielder and 1 centre-back short of a decent mid-table squad.

Terrific performance by everyone bar none. Dyche needs to sort out our home form now. And well done to the fans – by far the best in the Premier League.

Ohh... and my decision to keep my TV on mute the 2nd half almost certainly made the difference. ;-)

Derek Knox
74 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:46:18
We missed Maupay's input!

That's why we won!

Missed the first few minutes but felt an overall improvement both in play and commitment, was there to see today. If we can get maximum points from the next two fixtures, we should be looking something like where we should be in the table! More balance from us across the pitch but a few lapses in concentration could have led to more than one goal for them.

Good result and hopefully one that kick-starts the season. Kudos to our travelling support, who sounded not only great, but outsang the home fans. I salute you all!

Michael Kenrick
75 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:46:55
He put the ball through the keeper's legs deliberately.

That's your funniest one yet, Mr Gaynes. Dom has only one shot on him and it's at the keeper. Very very lucky to score.

Mark Murphy
76 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:55:03
Absolutely delighted! The monkeys off our back!
In other news, come ON Ireland!!!
Jay Harris
77 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:55:07
I said today that this was the first game we could really judge Dyche with a virtually full squad available.

And for me he passed with flying colors. Typically we sat back after going 1-0 up and were a bit deflated after their equalizer but at half time and with the substitutions today I thought Dyche managed the game really well.

Doucouré' was MotM for me, Beto and Gueye a bit hit and miss but the rest of the lads played pretty good with Jarrad becoming one of the best centre-backs in the Premier League.

Brian Hennessy
78 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:55:12
Fantastic win that could change our season, even at this early stage. No other Everton player could play that outside of the foot pass that Garver did for Dom's goal.

I dreamt this morning for an Everton away win and Ireland to beat South Africa. The Toffees did their bit, Ireland lead at half time, but can they complete my perfect day?

Frank Fearns
79 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:56:47
Played football today. Thus creating a good number of chances and looking 100% better.

A glimmer of hope at last. I'm happy with that and the players have to be lifted with the brilliant supporters.

Mark Murphy
80 Posted 23/09/2023 at 20:58:59
“1 centre-back short of a decent mid-table squad.”

Which one of Tarkowski and Branthwaite would you drop? Love that pairing! UTFT and Come On Ireland!!!

Rob Halligan
81 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:00:32
Who gives a fuck whether Calvert-Lewin's goal was lucky or not? Fact is it went in, and eased a bit of the tension everyone was feeling when it was 2-1.

Overall a thoroughly deserved win. Who else thinks we should be sitting on at least 10 points?

Enjoyable coach journey home, and should be back around 12:30.

Neil Tyrrell
82 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:04:16
I do, Rob, the goals went in today whereas they didn't against Wolves and Fulham.
Barry Rathbone
83 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:06:39
Calvert-Lewin played the old adage of keep it on target and you increase your chances of getting lucky.

Never in a million years did he place that through the keeper's legs.

Andrew Bentley
84 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:09:15
Finally my boys got to see Everton live win away in the league!

Brentford were poor today but we looked like a proper team today dominating the ball and we could have been 3 or 4 up by halftime.

Could have easily gone against us in the second half after they pegged us back with their first shot on target before the break, but credit to the Blues – we controlled that one from start to finish and great to see Calvert-Lewin seal the win. Will do him a world of good to get that goal.

Tony Abrahams
85 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:09:57
Literal Mike, sounds like a talk sport presenter saying something contentious to get people to respond!

I understand why, because if Everton would have lost there would probably be double the posts on this thread, but maybe a lot of people are all out celebrating.

I’m delighted for the travelling toffees, especially Danny, John R, and Rob H, and also Mark M, who made a very wise choice not going for that meal!

Rob Hooton
86 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:12:02
What a great night!

Firstly, I got to meet Rob Halligan, along with Danny, his son Connor, and some other blues with my dad before the match. Some Everton fan legends there.

Secondly, Everton were the best team on the pitch, by a fair bit. We deserved that win, we earned it.

The Blues support were incredible, we were a few blocks to the left with some friendly Brentford fans and felt the passion, noise and power of our fellow fans. I salute you all, the Bees fans commented on how great you were, we are still buzzing from it.

I'll analyse tomorrow, but Onana had a great game, as did Gana. Branthwaite is sheer class, we've got a gem there for now. Lots of positives.

Signed, one happy Evertonian.

Mike Doyle
87 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:13:05
Branthwaite and Garner excellent today – as was Tarkowski who had his best game of the season.
Sam Hoare
88 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:14:38
Very good performance and very good result. Can’t ask for more than that. Plenty on here have had the knives out for Dyche, not without cause, but I do think we’ve been unlucky this season and the Xg models back that up.

Hopefully that bit of confidence will help us gain momentum. Thelwell has done pretty well to build a squad that should suit Dyche’s tactics and being able to bring on a fit looking DCL for Beto is a big step forwards. Garner was good and Branthwaite impressed again. Whisper it quietly but if we can avoid injuries this team has the potential to make it all the way to 15th or even 14th.

Andy Meighan
89 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:15:26
Fabulous win and I never thought we'd we would get something.

I am truly flying tonight. Come on, you Blues!

Jeff Armstrong
90 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:16:40
I think in another season we would be on 10 points at this point, and could concentrate our worries on our sell off from a gang of shysters to another gang of shysters(allegedly) our upcoming hearing on financial irregularities, and the fact we need loans to currently pay the Finch Farm caterers and acadamy parent’s expenses, so today was a great win to take our minds off what’s going on at our club, a win really does lift the gloom.
Peter Moore
91 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:17:13
Massive win, not least because, after the one sided mullerings without scoring we gave Fulham and Wolves, it was massively overdue.
Massive praise and appreciation to the travelling blues in the stands. You did us proud and doubtless were a massive help to the lads on the pitch. I bet the trip back up the road is more joyous than for some time! May there be many more victories to follow in short order.
This win will hopefully prove the shot in the arm needed to get the winning momentum going. Superb performance, superb result. Delighted. Villa away in league Cup is a big ask, here's hoping for no injuries and momentum to carry in to the home games Vs the Hatters and the Cherries.
Jeff Armstrong
92 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:20:07
Beto and DCL in tandem at Villa please, if only to see if it works, free hit for me.
Allen Rodgers
93 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:20:47
Probably already said but I couldn't be more pleased for our long suffering away fans ( even though I can't get a look in ) Well in lads and and lasses and well in the Blues .UTFT/
Colin Glassar
94 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:21:26
Brian 67, that’s not our fault is it?
Barry Rathbone
95 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:24:51
Tell you what, it was great to get the monkey off our back of not winning. Some good footy played and though only Brentford the impact of another loss or draw didn't bear thinking about.

Much happier tonight.

Graham Mockford
96 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:27:46
I think it would be fair to say our current points total does not reflect our performances to date.
In six games we were poor against Villa and Arsenal. Different days we’d have beat Fulham and Wolves.
Hopefully today will give the team a little confidence and momentum.
Both Beto and a fit DCL give us something different than last season. Branthwaite is maturing nicely and looks like a PL CB.
And Doucoure will always give you something because of his sheer physicality.
Maybe the are a few reasons to be cheerful….. ask me in a fortnight
Christopher Timmins
97 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:29:09
Played with energy and deservedly won.Garner and McNeil will make a big contribution in the months ahead.

Let’s back it up with two home wins.

Michael Kenrick
98 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:29:22
I said today that this was the first game we could really judge Dyche with a virtually full squad available.

Hard to get my head around that one, Jay @77, as I believe the squad he had available today and the squad he had available last Sunday are virtually identical.

In fact, the only difference was one nominal slot on the bench for a player who was never going to be used: Hunt in for Onyango. Yet the judgements of Dyche are going to very different this weekend, methinks.

Robert Tressell
99 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:30:28
It's not that complicated really:

- Fulham (H): battered them and lost because we had no centre forward. Away keeper man of the match.

- Villa (A): outplayed away by a side with much better players.

- Wolves (H): battered them and lost because we had no centre forward. Away keeper man of the match. Again.

- Sheff Utd (A): unlucky not to win our first game with a new centre forward.

- Arsenal (H): restricted a side with much, much better players to just one or two chances despite all their possession. Unfortunately they took one of the chances.

- Brentford (A): battered them and won convincingly, doing well to reassert ourselves after their undeserved equaliser.

Had we bought Beto before the season began we'd be comfortably on 10 points. As it is we're on 4 points.

We aren't going to race up the places by any stretch but we're better than our points tally and Dyche is doing a decent job with the cards he's been dealt.

And Wolves, Bournemouth and the three promoted sides also have a really hard season ahead of them. Maybe Brentford too and even Palace. Long way to go yet.

Plus Branthwaite is a cracker.

Paul Hughes
100 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:34:23
Barry (83), I have to respectfully disagree. On the TV shots from behind the goal, DCL looked up and aimed for the gap between the keeper’s legs. Yes, he got lucky that they weren’t closed in time - but who cares?
Peter Mills
101 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:42:20
I don’t think Brentford played very well, it looked like a bottom of the league game, but that’s where we are and we won, so that’s encouraging.

Doucouré did what he does best. I liked McNeil and Garner. Mykolenko was better today. Tarkowski did well at both ends of the pitch. Branthwaite looks like someone we will sell, unfortunately - he’s very good. DCL is a lot better footballer than Beto, but over the season Beto may help to take the strain off Calvert-Lewin’s body.

After a great morning of Boys’ footie, it’s been a cracking day. Made up for everyone who travelled to the match.

Jeff Armstrong
102 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:44:10
DCL cannot win, even when he scores idiots come on here and complain it wasn’t a pure strike, it was scruffy or lucky or any other excuse rather than giving him credit for a strikers goal.
Colin Glassar
103 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:47:23
First win in London since 2021. Not getting carried away but I still think we’ll end the season between 11th and 15th place. No last game terrors
Dave Abrahams
104 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:48:25
I really wouldn’t have cared how they played today as long as we won, but we played well and fully deserved to win, it could have been another Brighton win except we were mostly in control for most of todays game unlike the Brighton match when they had most of the second half.

Branthwaite, stood out, Tarkowski was very good alongside him and scored a good goal, O’Neil was tremendous and still feeling his way back into the team but Doucoure deserved to be MOTM for his non stop running, full of effort, scored one and could have had another,I thought Dominic took his chance well and whether you thought he was lucky or not they all count, hope he scores a few more like that in the games coming up.

Again the away fans took over and lifted the team all through the game and deserved to witness a very good victory, they deserve more days and nights like this.

I think today’s win has given all of us a lift took a lot of the doom and gloom away, keep it up next week Blues.

Brian Williams
105 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:49:34
No Col not at all. But the commentator or pundit that said it was a bawbag!
Brian Hennessy
106 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:50:12
Everton, Ireland - the perfect day!
Kieran Kinsella
107 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:50:52
Mark Murphy

Tad more stressful than the Everton game but another win!!!

Barry Rathbone
108 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:55:10
Paul 100

Sorry Paul, you have to be wrong.

No striker goes for the nutmeg several yards from a keeper when the goal is gaping either side. It might be a joke attempt in training but never in the heat of battle

Tony Abrahams
109 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:55:35
Spoilt by one of my favourite songs Brian, because I haven’t been able to get that bastard Zombie, Kenwright’s head, out of my head, since I started watching the Everton players really playing for the shirt earlier on tonight!

Hurry up and leave, hurry up and free us from your dirty horrible curse William Kenwright, and let me get back to supporting the club, I’ve loved since I was five years of age, you fuckin Zombie!!


Dave Abrahams
110 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:56:14
How could I forget to not mention James Garner who is one of the few players we have who can put his foot on the ball, look around and make his passes illustrated by that pass to Dominic to run onto and put the ball in the net.
Dale Self
111 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:56:33
Jeff 102, that is the proper take. That was absolutely a striker’s goal. Unfortunately for the curmudgeons there is a good angle on the youtube clip. Barry and Michael need to take a look at it, they’ve got it wrong imo.

And what’s the big deal anyway? We would have won 1-2 without it, why try to downplay it? We’d take it on momentum grounds alone. It is something to celebrate in case you need a prompt.

Oh Barry, look at the replay from behind DCL. He is obviously shooting inside the keeper’s legs. As Mike said, caught a heel but that’s a striker’s goal

Mark Murphy
112 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:57:04
Brian and Kieran, if only more Saturdays started like this! On the road to oblivion! Slainte! Xxx
Alex Gray
113 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:57:21
Love how Sky have named their article on our win “Calvert-Lewin takes swipe at boo boys after sealing first Premier League win”

Can't have a day off, can they?

Andy Meighan
114 Posted 23/09/2023 at 21:58:13
My god, I am flying tonight! What a tonic that is!!!

I had us down to get beat tonight but we are fuckin' back.

Everton, tonight, I love you… can't sleep — because it's a great feeling!

Colin Glassar
115 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:00:26
I missed that one, Bri. A bit before my time.
Mark Murphy
116 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:02:44
“Zombie” amazingly powerful song. Hairs on the back of my neck stuff.
Jeff Armstrong
117 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:03:20
Alex Gray 113, have look at comments 3&11😉
Barry Rathbone
118 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:06:55
Dale 111

Checked it before my first comment and it's as clear as day and as I explained a pro would never go for the difficult nutmeg when easier options either side of the keeper are available.

I think you and others are willing him to show that level of skill when the reality is, unless 2 ft from Calvert-Lewin, how on earth could you discern from a camera whether he was looking at the keeper's legs or at the goal?? – Simply impossible.

Alex Gray
119 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:08:34
Point taken, Jeff, I'm a reactive sod it comes with the nerves.

Still, for Sky to make it about slagging fans off rather than the win is pretty low.

Brendan McLaughlin
120 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:10:01
I am such in a good place tonight.

Everton & Ireland!

Not often…

Jeff Armstrong
121 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:11:21
I don't think Dale or others are saying he deliberately hit it between the keeper's legs, we are just saying he hit it hard enough between the posts to beat the keeper.

Strikers goal.

Dale Self
122 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:11:59
Barry, enough of your setup. The angle is there for all to see. Rather than do all this ‘pro' talk just let the recording do the talking. You don't see? Fine.

It was a determined attempt at the direction and location intended and it went in the net. All the rest is, well I don't know what the hell that is.

And well played Jeff on 117. That is what I really wanted to comment on.

But no Jeff, I am claiming what I see on that angle. Calvert-Lewin intended that shot.

Steve Dickinson
123 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:12:22
Robert #99, I agree with your summary.

This evening's result makes it much easier to rationalise the previous results.

Tony Abrahams
124 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:14:57
I remember being 20 and being able to keep up with the pace of a fast game, even when I was the slowest player on the pitch, but I never played at the top level where the pace is absolutely frightening.

Calvert-Lewin had to take his very good first touch at speed; otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to stay ahead of the split defenders, and when he looked up, the keeper had closed down the space very quickly.

It looked to me like Dominic has gone for the nutmeg, and thankfully the ball went in. Hopefully it will give the lad some confidence, because footballers thrive on confidence, although you could argue that if he's trying to nutmeg keepers, then he must have confidence in abundance!!

At least Everton have got us smiling – so enjoy the night everyone.

Brent Stephens
125 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:16:26
We see other players all the time intend to, and say they intended to, put the ball through the keeper's legs. Why not Calvert-Lewin?

Branthwaite, you gem. Dominant winning the ball in the air and on the ground; cool when in position; passing short or long. Barking orders. And one so young.

Craig Walker
126 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:18:23
Pleased for Dyche, Calvert-Lewin and all of the magnificent travelling Blues. Thought we played well today and fully deserved the win with some good performances.

Garner, Tarkowski and Branthwaite were great. Doucouré was much improved. Funny how people see the game differently because I thought Gueye wasn't great for most of the match although he improved massively.

We looked pretty solid and played well on the break, Beto is a bit raw but keeps showing for the ball and can hold it up. Nice to be able to watch MotD for once. Well played, Blues!

Barry Rathbone
127 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:20:23
Dale 122,

As I said, I had already checked the camera angle and it was clear as day he went for a shot in the general direction of the goal. But I see you've dropped the deliberate nutmeg nonsense — it would have been a mad decision if he'd tried that.

He's not a natural goal-getter but he's not stupid.

Jeff Armstrong
128 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:22:20
Whether he means to go through the keeper's legs or not, he scores a good goal, even better if he comes out and says he aimed for the undercarriage gap. Great striker's goal.
Jim Lloyd
129 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:23:50
I thought that, overall, we were the better team, we pressed and hounded them most of the game. We could have scored 6 and got 3 – that's bloody brilliant!

I certainly criticised the middle three most of the season, but today, they were much more active. All-in-all, there's much more I like today, than I dislike.

Branthwaite and Tarkowski were solid as a rock, Mykolenko is learning and doing okay. I think Patterson hasn't quite got his sense of positioning right yet, a bit like Seamus when Moysie put him in midfield for a season or more.

Garner was outstanding and McNeil was much more himself today. What a difference Beto makes. He was giving their defence a hard time and I think once he settles in he'll be a top player for us.

I thought Doucouré and Onana played much better today (hope they keep it up!). I'm made up for Calvert-Lewin and I thought Michael had his grumpy head on today. That goal of Calvert-Lewin's wasn't lucky in my opinion, it went through the goalie's legs. A fine goal.

Well; done Sean Dyche; we were like two different teams between last weekend and this one. Well done all. This isn't going to be the best Grammar but; my Man of the Match was all the lads and lasses who filled the ground with noise. Singing and chanting for the whole 90-odd minutes. After the dire games they've had to endure. they turned up in their thousands to cheer on the Blues.

They were brilliant. Well done all, a credit to Everton.


Barry Rathbone
130 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:27:43
Jeff 128

"the undercarriage gap"

What on earth is that?

Danny Baily
131 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:29:15
Brilliant result. We've had that in us for a few weeks, but having Beto to take some of the pressure off Calvert-Lewin has made a huge difference.

Mykolenko looks very ordinary, Gueye is full of mistakes and we need a right-back. But this squad has enough about it to be comfortably clear of danger come the end of the season.

Jeff Armstrong
132 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:31:53
Brent #125 agree,

Branthwaite MotM again, never missed a header and passed out of defence so well.

I wasn't convinced a couple of seasons ago but his 2 years out on loan in the Championship and Dutch league have really improved him. No doubt he'll be lauded on MotD and the likes of Carragher and Nevile will latch on, so he'll end up atMan City but 777 will be pleased with the money.

Barry, the undercarriage gap = between the keepers legs. 🥴

Robert Tressell
133 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:33:01
A lot of rubbish got written after the Arsenal game about Dyche's tactics. If we can keep this lot fit and add Harrison and Patterson to the starting lineup, we're going to do okay – we'll score goals and play some decent (generally counter-attacking) football.

Looks like Harrison is very close now, too.

Mark Ryan
134 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:34:19
MOTM Jimmy Garner for me, Branthwaite a close second.
Dale Self
135 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:35:08
Barry 130, “general direction of the goal” what on earth is that?

Seriously, I have never just kicked a goal attempt in a general direction. A pass maybe was pushed into space but no general direction on a shot

Deliberate Nutmeg Barry! I know, mind blown.

Mark Murphy
136 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:39:43
Got home very happy and found my missus in bed with me mate!

“Are you fucking mad” I asked him. “MOTD is just starting and Everton won”!!!

Barry Rathbone
137 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:45:11
Dale 135,

Have you ever played football?

One of the basic tenets of the game is "hit the target" a descriptor of aiming at the goal without the specific aim of right, left, top corner, centre, or low. In other words the general direction.

C'mon fella, this is basic stuff.

Dale Self
138 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:57:20
Barry, I’m amused. Reconcile target and general direction for me please.
Mark Murphy
139 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:57:34
England beat Chile.
Si Cooper
140 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:58:54
Isn’t the whole point of a keeper rushing to close the distance to the striker to close the angles down? That’s exactly what happened with Beto’s chance.
It looks clear on replay from behind the goal that the broadest angle for DCL to hit was the one between the keepers widespread (and that is the salient point) legs and that is where he deliberately placed the ball.
The keepers legs were so wide apart he was never going to get them back together in time to block the shot as long as the shot was along the ground and bisecting where the feet were. There were no gaping areas on either side of the keeper when he got to within a couple of yards.
David Bromwell
141 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:59:15
Watched the match on TV, and just watched Match of the Day. All brilliant, what a relief, James Tarkowski was my man of the match by some distance. Also just a word for Dominic Calvert Lewin, he was clearly upset to be booed when he fractured his check bone, sounds to me like some ' supporters ' need to send him their apologies. Will sleep easier tonight.
Jeff Armstrong
142 Posted 23/09/2023 at 22:59:46
Sorry to hear Dom saying his own fans booed him off at Villa on MOTD, he had a big facial injury that day, obviously not visible from the away end, they just saw him going off with yet another injury after yet another long layoff, this is where FAB could help, bit of mediation, explanation from both sides, we need to move forward and support the likes of DCL he’s no shirker that lad, he’s been terribly unlucky for 2 seasons.
Mark Murphy
143 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:01:41
I’ll be delighted if England win the World Cup but my family is Irish and Ireland beat the world champs, not Chile.
And Everton won, so I’m very very happy! Now, come ON Wales (my grandma was Welsh…
Mal van Schaick
145 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:02:22
Positive signs and good tactics today, some decent performances and more creativity. Well done Dyche.

Aside from Villa in the cup, two winnable games against Luton and Bournemouth. May be the tide is turning.

Ernie Baywood
146 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:03:18
My overriding sense is relief that we have 3 points.

The next is to wonder why we're usually so reluctant to have the ball when we're actually not bad with it. Of course it helped having a forward target, plus Garner and O'Neill in there who actually take a touch and try to retain possession or make things happen. And I think we saw a better Onana for that reason... for all the criticism, he's one of the few who could control a ball in the last few weeks.

My last thought is for Myko. He was brilliant again defensively... but bless him, he's technically terrible. How many times did he simply miss the ball when trying to control it? I love a tryer, but he'll cost us games simply losing the ball in basic positions.

Actually, put Gueye in that category too.

Jim Lloyd
147 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:07:25
My Great great grandmother was Irish, Mark and my great grandfather, They came over around the time of the famine, but I'm English, whether we get much further is debatable, as they've been sh1te.
Kieran Kinsella
148 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:08:06
Delighted. Perfect tonic after all the misery and despair on and off the pitch in the last week.
Dale Self
149 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:14:58
Si 140, I should look again first but I think Dom went for the inside of the standing leg not under the kickout. I am not doing the ol win and windup routine. I think that was some class from DCL and we should honor his path back to form.
Daniel Thomas
150 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:17:40
Barry (various)

Tell me you haven’t played at a level without telling me you haven’t played at a level.

Jim Lloyd
151 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:18:04
Ernie, yep, agreed about Mykolenko and Gueye. But it's a question as to whther we can we afford to bring a left back whose better. Maybe that's the same with Guaye as well. Mind you, I think we've maybe just about got enough new players in to replace Guaye.
Unless we can buy on the never never, we mightn't be able to buy anyone. Hard times, I think.
Les Callan
152 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:19:31
Can you believe it ………first on MOTD.
Si Cooper
153 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:22:38
Dale (149), the main point I’m making is that there wasn’t clearly better options either side of the keeper as some people are insisting.
DCL deliberately struck it so it stayed on the deck and, for me, went for the large gap between the goalie’s legs, which is a legitimate target as far as I”m concerned and not just for the showboaters.
Don Alexander
154 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:25:19
And having just watched MotD I nail my colours to the DCL mast. He definitely meant it!
Ray Smith
155 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:26:21
Great result today👍👍👍
Can I say that I hope SD doesn’t play DCL on Wednesday, and keeps him safe for Luton at home, even if it’s off the bench.
Beto is work in progress and a big improvement on the likes of Maupay, Rondon et al over the last 3-4 yrs.
Lyndon Lloyd
156 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:27:11
I agree, Si. If you look at the way Flekken closed the angles, there was no other option but to shoot at the keeper unless you were going to go for an ambitious lob. 9 out of 10 times in that situation, a top striker does exactly what Calvert-Lewin does.
Brent Stephens
157 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:30:07
DCL's nutmeg was right out of the Messi playbook. Google Messi's nutmegs to see how deliberate it can be. And, no, I'm not saying DCL is as good as Messi.
Chris Leyland
158 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:31:04
Anyone notice the random out of sequence penalty claim for Brentford on MOTD when Danjuma almost pulled the lad over in the box? MOTD put it in at the start of the 2nd half at 1-1 when he didn’t actually come on until 77th minute when it was 3–1. Weird
Si Cooper
159 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:32:30
Taking of MotD, just seen the ridiculous penalty given against Wolves.

There are times when a player has his arms extended because he’s trying to make himself big to block a shot, and other times they just end up extended because a player is stretching his leg to make a legitimate block. So sad the officials can’t tell the difference.

Chris, I thought it had been much later in the game but I haven’t gone back over recording to check. They obviously wanted it to look like a lucky break for us that could have changed direction of game entirely. Should complain to BBC.

Bobby Mallon
160 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:47:29
Gary linekers joke at the end was funny. Dyche to see you to see you Dyche
Barry Rathbone
161 Posted 23/09/2023 at 23:59:38
The idea DCL deliberately went for the nutmeg from that distance and position instead of just hitting the target separates those who played striker from those who played on a pc.

Good fun though

John Raftery
162 Posted 24/09/2023 at 00:17:06
I wrote on another thread the darkest hour comes before the dawn. The criticism of the team and manager after the Arsenal game was in my opinion overdone. There are more teams like Brentford in this league than there are teams like Arsenal. We will beat most of the former providing we have better luck with injuries and, as Brian Clough used to say, providing the players don’t start thinking they are a good team.

There were very strong performances last night from Tarkowski, Doucouré, Beto, Garner and for the final half hour, DCL. We were so dominant it was slightly disappointing we conceded a goal. I don’t recall Pickford having a save to make. 3-1 flattered Brentford.

Hopefully the ridiculous calls for Potter to replace Dyche will be put on hold for a few days.

Neil Copeland
163 Posted 24/09/2023 at 00:23:54
Not long home, great performance and result. Yes, Brentford were poor but we didn’t allow them to play.

Apart from the 3 points obviously, the most pleasing aspect for me was a proper performance over 90mins. The result was never really in doubt.

As for the support? No words can describe how good they are.

Paul Ferry
164 Posted 24/09/2023 at 00:38:44
I have zero idea why someone would repeatedly come on here to make the same point about DCL's goal, in whose book he is either lucky because he hit it straight at the keeper in one version or I think it was not a "pro" in another (i.e. a "pro" would not have attempted the nutmeg or smart shot that some others see).

Said poster has yet to refer to the sublime move and effort by MOM Garner who won the ball (heart and effort) and got his poise back to play the perfect ball (skill and creativity: or did he mishit?) for DCL to score a very nice strikers' goal.

We won FFS. Calvert-Lewin scored the third. It was important. We needed it badly. I don't give a flying fuck how. But let's just keep harping and fecking harping on about intention rather than the goal that might possibly do us the world of good with two erm "winnable" home games over the horizon.

Paul Ferry
165 Posted 24/09/2023 at 00:43:25
Thanks for the fantastic support Neil, Rob (x2), Mark, Danny, and others. It was sheer joy to sit back online and soak up the away end after that fecking flukey and jammy goal by DCL who didn't mean it by the way.
Neil Copeland
166 Posted 24/09/2023 at 00:47:18
Paul, cheers mate. As you said in your previous post “who gives a fuck?”

Paul Ferry
167 Posted 24/09/2023 at 00:55:06
Moment of the match for me - except for the goals and the away end - was Branthwaite with seconds to go until the final whistle putting in that magnificent effort to block their fella who he did not know was offside and we were two goals up with seconds left.
Neil Copeland
168 Posted 24/09/2023 at 01:09:20
Paul, indeed, Branthwaite had a great game (again!). He reminds me of John Stones with his coolness and comfort in possession. I just hope we can keep hold of him for at least another season after this.
Paul Ferry
169 Posted 24/09/2023 at 01:19:03
That's the issue, Neil, one more season at least, please! It seems possible that he wanted away in August after a very good season in Holland and being 3rd or 4th on the pecking order with respectfully Keane ahead of him. Who could blame him? A regular start will hopefully train his thoughts on us. He and Tarkowski look made for each other.
Neil Copeland
170 Posted 24/09/2023 at 01:35:16
A very balanced partnership so far plus Mykolenko is showing improvement and although the jury is still out with Young, I thought he looked better overall today. Patterson is still young and needs time I think, we need to be patient
Laurie Hartley
171 Posted 24/09/2023 at 01:42:33
Dave 110 - There’s been some good’uns from Birkenhead Dave.
Kieran Kinsella
172 Posted 24/09/2023 at 01:48:32

Glad you enjoyed it mate. Brentford are one of the few teams I’ll watch when Everton aren’t on as I’ve no animosity towards them and some family/friend connections. But I’ve never seen them El before where their vocal supporters are outperformed by the visiting fans. I don’t know how many of you were there but their whole place holds only 20,000 and at times it sounded like the Everton fans alone were in excess of that.

As for Branthwaite I have to agree. Under Carlo he played a few times and seemed solid as in no obvious mistakes but his year at PSV, plus I suppose ageing a little has moved him on from a solid young Shane Duffy type to someone who looks a bit special. I think it’s a good combination too with the older vocal Tarks beside him. Whatever other issues they had I felt like Coady and Tarks was a case of too many chiefs. You can only have so many vocal dominant types and two side by side risks ruptures.

Neil Copeland
173 Posted 24/09/2023 at 01:59:31
Kieran, it was brilliant mate, made all the better by being a little unexpected. I thought we made Brentford look poor today. There were around 2000 away fans, very vocal in a small stadium which helps with the acoustics.

Agree with you regarding Tarks and Coady, both are decent players and leaders but together is perhaps one too many.

Branthwaite has a great future ahead as does Beto and James Garner. If we can keep hold of them for at least another season we may even spring a few surprises.

Anyway, too late now and off to bed but not sure I will sleep, still too high!

Paul Ferry
174 Posted 24/09/2023 at 02:16:27
We get to be on a high a little longer in 'merica!
Soren Moyer
175 Posted 24/09/2023 at 02:35:56
A nice win today. Garner was our unsung hero. He was magnificent.
Paul Ferry
176 Posted 24/09/2023 at 02:53:56
I agree Soren but.he is hardly unsung, people are singing his praises on here
Simon Dalzell
177 Posted 24/09/2023 at 03:19:53
Happy Days. Lovely feeling this evening going out for a few jars with that much needed win in the bag. Dyche 'Haters' me included, are coming in for some proper stick now we've actually won a game. Unreal. I'm willing to eat the old humble pie if this continues, no problem if we're improving. Please wait a while before sticking the boot in to the sceptics after one win.
Derek Thomas
178 Posted 24/09/2023 at 04:13:18
Having only watched it Sunday morning my time, I see on here some early doors Negative Nellie's...who knows, I might've been one myself in a real time take on matters.

But, in hindsight (great stuff hindsight) they have remember there are 3 (maybe more but 3 will do) types of teams we play...
1) Teams we can beat
2) Teams we might beat
3) Teams we're unlikely to beat...but you never know.
Then there is the Home or Away factor...Forget all the variables you can't control, like form, referees, VAR, injuries, getting the crowd behind you, and never underestimate the 'bounce of the ball' either.

What we have is (at least) a 5 way choice chance of rock, paper, scissors, fire and water.

Dyche and the team have shown with Brighton Away last season we can be the paper that wraps the rock.

The Key question is...does Dyche even know that what works at Brentford might not work at home Vs Luton - and if he does know what doesn't work - does he know what will?

Anyway 3pts wrapped up for Mk.1 Dyche-Ball (paper version) and on we go.

Paul Ferry
179 Posted 24/09/2023 at 04:20:46
I don't think that anyone is sticking the boot in Simon, that I can see at any rate.
Steve Brown
180 Posted 24/09/2023 at 04:23:19
Just shows what attitude, intensity and effort can do when combined with having a proper centre forward on the pitch. The team did really well getting players in and around Beto this week, and frankly who cares if DCL meant to nutmeg the keeper for the goal.

I also think we have a couple of cracking players with potential in Garner and Branthwaite.


Mike Gaynes
181 Posted 24/09/2023 at 05:00:31
Amazes me that people here truly don't know that strikers aim for the wickets all the time.

Of course it was intentional.

Paul Ferry
182 Posted 24/09/2023 at 05:19:42
Rubbish, Mike, he was trying to pass it to O'Neill.

Have a fabulous trip. Are you on the train up to Liverpool on Wednesday, staying in my Crosby?

Dave Evans
183 Posted 24/09/2023 at 07:05:33
Thanks. I was starting to think I shouldn't be so happy that DCL had scored and we had won.
Duncan McDine
184 Posted 24/09/2023 at 07:31:17
The first 10 to 15 comments on this thread do not disappoint!

Dyche got it absolutely spot on. He clearly drilled into the players during the past week that they mustn't fear the little round thing. We could've scored 5 or 6.

Hopefully its not a one-off.

Tony Everan
185 Posted 24/09/2023 at 07:39:47
Are we having forensic examination of DCLs finish? His perfect first touch from Garners excellent pass bought him a moment of precious time, he then did what all good strikers do, got a powerful shot off, and kept it very hard and low, these are often the most difficult to save. The goalie was sprawling to try and block it, the hard and low shot found a way through. It was Gary Lineker’s mantra in the eighties for getting so many goals in the box.

It’s the kind of goal we have conceded too many times in recent years, I’m celebrating us dishing it out.

Danny O’Neill
186 Posted 24/09/2023 at 07:40:58
He hit the target, scored and sent the away end into pandemonium. I don't care if he meant it or not. We didn't. It was a goal. End of.
Joseph Walsh
187 Posted 24/09/2023 at 08:07:37
Great result today, Blues, and that's a much better team performance. The difference a win makes to our weekend!

I've never seen us first on MotD … I've usually nodded off before we are on!

Mike Connolly
188 Posted 24/09/2023 at 08:15:50
I remember one of the total footballers playing for Holland. the commentor said he's picked out the top corner with a rocket.

The player after the match said, "I did not pick the corner, I just smashed it the general direrection." If you don't buy a ticket you're not in the raffle.

Dave Abrahams
190 Posted 24/09/2023 at 08:44:50
Laurie (165),

Yes, plenty of good players have come from “over the water” including that Dixie fella, James Garner looks like he has a very good career ahead of him, hope it is with us.

Thanks for the posters who said Everton were first on MOTD while I was waiting for us to come on this morning, I switched it off immediately. i can't stand those smug bastards who talk on that show, only watch it now and again when Everton win but even then sometimes swerve them Pundits – load of …I've already said that word once and it's Sunday, off to church in a few minutes!!

Nick Page
191 Posted 24/09/2023 at 08:56:24
Dave #190,

I couldn't believe we were first on MotD… me and Little Blue nearly missed it. Normally steer clear of that shite though, can't stand the Ferengi but even with two ex-blues on they find some way to criticise us.

Anyway, what a great day!! Onward Evertonians.

Tony Abrahams
192 Posted 24/09/2023 at 09:37:51
Robert @133!

I thought Dyche got a lot of things right against Arsenal last week, but I was still very critical because he also got a few things wrong, imo mate.

We were set up to defend and stay in the game, which is a sensible thing to do against the better teams, especially because we had so few points on the board, meaning a draw would have been a very good result.

The gripe I had, was that not during any period of the game – did we try to make the game a little bit scrappy, and this is generally a good ploy to use against an Arsenal team, who love having things their own way, imo.

I thought Pickford could have skied a few up towards Beto, and we could have got a few players to then go and contest the second ball, but Dyche, was too cautious, and seemed to have us concentrating on our defensive shape, even when the ball was in Pickford's hands?

I spoke about footballers needing confidence when referring to Dominic's goal last night (there are some funny lunatics on this thread!) and I believe, once this Everton team get a bit more confidence (the unbelievable backing they received last night, will surely help?) then they will slowly begin to grow? 🤞

Mike Doyle
193 Posted 24/09/2023 at 09:43:38
Is DCL correct in saying he was booed when going off injured in the Villa game?

I watched and don't recall hearing (though my stream wasn't great).

Perhaps any of the TW posters who were at the game could comment.

Mark Ryan
194 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:01:05
He was booed by a few. He heard it. He waved. It was pathetic and unnecessary but it happened.

Only a minority who clearly felt he had set out that day to smash his own cheekbone in – just so he could go off. Clueless pricks.

Alan McGuffog
195 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:04:07
Mike @188, exactly.

I saw an interview with Bobby Charlton once and he said, words to the effect, when you're 25 yards out, you hit it as hard as you can in the direction of the goal frame.

People will see what they want to see. A fella a row or two behind me in the Upper Gwladys used to moan about Amokachi, all the time (I fear he may have been of the cross-burning tendency):

"That bastard nearly missed that header against Spurs (1995 FA Cup semi-final) nearly bounced over the bar!"

It's been cheerful as keeps some folks going.

Barry Rathbone
196 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:09:58
Mark @194,

Yes, he was booed but some on here will deny it because whatever Calvert-Lewin does has to be magically transformed into some fantasy.

Like positioning himself to shoot wide of the keeper by opening his body out in classic fashion only for his shot to ricochet off the keeper's leg into the onion bag.

To those so persuaded, that is a deliberate nutmeg. Marvellous!

Brian Harrison
197 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:10:05
I could only watch till just a few minutes after Doucouré scored the opener, and then had to go out for a pre-planned family meal. I didn't look at my phone but my Grandson has a thing on his phone that tells him when a goal was scored, we had just got in the restaurant when he said Brentford had equalised.

I must admit I expected the worst but was delighted when he told me we had retaken the lead then added a 3rd. I watched MotD and even the commentator said this is by far Everton's best performance. It's hard to judge when only watching highlights but it certainly looked like our best performance.

I think Beto is going to be a very good signing and I think Garner played in his best position will also be a very good signing.

I am sure that will be a huge weight off Dyche and the players, the first win and an away win will be a big confidence booster for the coming games.

I don't quite know why DCL had to say some of the fans booed him when he came off at Villa, as I said at the time, many of the fans couldn't possibly see how bad his injury was and were just frustrated that we had waited so long for his return that he had gone off without getting in 90 minutes.

Michael Connelly
198 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:11:49
Decent performance.

Some weak links:

1. Mykolenko is limited. Ashley Young shows him and Patterson up despite being in his late 30s.
2. Gueye on the ball is an accident waiting to happen.
3. McNeil slow tracking back for their goal.
4. Doucoure struggles to control and play a ball, but his energy and goal threat are important for this team.

Much better than Brentford though. They were short 3 or 4, but that's part of the parcel.

Tony Abrahams
199 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:25:24
Keep it going Barry, mate! I’ve just watched that goal on X, and my own opinion is that the only other thing Dominic could have done, was to try and go around the outrushing keeper, but I’m not sure he would have been comfortable doing this, especially because he would have been taking the ball onto his left foot, and he his a very right footed player.

One thing I know you will definitely disagree with, is that you’re definitely trying to create arguments Barry, which is why I started my post by writing keep it going, Barry, mate!!

Colin Glassar
200 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:25:59
DCL was booed by a small section of Everton fans, there’s no point in denying that. Everton has some of the best and worst fans in the world but then every club will say that as well.

Brian 197, are you admitting to being a boo-er? No shame in that, we’ve all done it. I’ve booed and, back in the day, threw a bog roll on to the pitch once. But never a cushion.

Brian Wilkinson
201 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:29:25
Off on my jollies in a few hours so will not be around for the Luton home game.

That was a much better performance and the players rolled their sleeves up, they needed to after the white flag before the Arsenal game performance.

Win, lose or draw, as long as the players have a damn good go, that will do for me, give everything, and that's what the players did, got the result today with having a go and working hard as a team.

Made up for the team, the travelling Blues, and fellow Evertonians, well deserved 3 points.

Onwards and upwards.

Rob Halligan
202 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:38:12
Mike # 193. There were a few boos towards DCL as he walked down the opposite touchline from us, towards the tunnel in the corner. After he played on for about fifteen minutes or so, following his treatment, I think most thought he had had a recurrence of his hamstring injury. Don’t forget, none of us could see DCL’s face, and the golf ball size swelling on his face as he walked away, unlike those who had a clear picture, as there was a tv camera right in his face.

Anyway, back to yesterday. An overall outstanding performance from everyone, yes, even our midfield trio which quite often, comes under fire, justifiably so sometimes. Gueye does continue to infuriate us though, he can do something wonderful like, in the first half when he dropped his right shoulder to leave his opponent for dead, before moving forward and playing a lovely through ball to Beto who had made a great run to get behind the Brentford defence only to pull his shot wide. The opposite to Gueye being the careless passes he gives away, and always seem to be in a dangerous area. I counted at least three stray passes by him, which could easily have led to a goal.Doucoure was immense, scored a great goal, had another shot strike the crossbar, and just never stopped running. Onana too, seemed to be everywhere, and probably his best game so far this season.

James Garner had an outstanding game, culminating in winning the ball back in his “Favoured midfield position”, before playing a lovely defence splitting ball into DCL who calmly slotted. MOTM for me though, had to be Branthwaite. The lad is so cool on the ball, doesn’t panic under pressure, and I don’t recall a single stray pass from him. Definitely in the Franz Beckenbauer and Bobby Moore school of defending.

Finally, us fans. Outstanding performance from start to finish. It’s amazing how we can feed off the team, and vice versa, who really get us going, particularly with the early goal. Ok, we don’t have players in the class of Man City, who does to be fair, but at least show the effort, the defending, the attacking, the pressing, controlling of the midfield, and most importantly of all, scoring goals, all of which happened yesterday, unlike last week, and the fans will react and help push the team on.

I know it’s only our first win, and one swallow definitely doesn’t make a summer, but the signs are there. We have solved our biggest problem for a couple of years (Maybe more), with the signing of Beto. Although he’s yet to score a premier league goal, he looks a real threat. I would play both him and DCL against Villa in midweek, after all, what’s to lose, other than a cup tie? Jack Harrison, who I watched on Friday night for the U21s, and looked decent, could also get a run. I’m feeling a bit more optimistic for the rest of the season than I was last Sunday, anyway.

Finally finally. Great to meet Rob Hooton and his dad in the Bell and Crown yesterday. It was pretty easy to find in the end. Danny was also there with his son, Connor.

Finally finally finally, I would like to give my respects to our two coach drivers, two women at that, who did a great job. It took us just over three and a half hours to get back to The Rocket, getting back there at about 11.45. I was told by our steward on the coach, that it was the girls first time doing a football coach, and they were pretty nervous beforehand. Well they had nothing to worry about, they did a great job, and who knows, maybe could be our lucky mascots!!

Robert Tressell
203 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:40:36
Tony # 192, absolutely there were all sorts of things wrong with the performance against Arsenal. But ultimately we lost on quality – not "dinosaur" tactics as Dyche was accused of (and will be accused of every single time we lose).

Going long to Beto will work in some games but I thought Gabriel and Saliba had the measure of him physically and are both good technical players too. We tried a few things but very little worked that day – basically because they are better than us by some measure in every position and kept their concentration. Not tactics.

Neil Copeland
204 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:43:22
To add to Robs comment, finally, finally, finally, finally, I think some of the boos at Villa were borne from the sheer frustration of not having a decent replacement to bring on and aimed more at the club.

Dom received a great welcome yesterday and he responded in spades. There were a few boos at Beto getting taken off, a lot wanted to see 2 up front.

Barry Rathbone
205 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:45:13
Tony @199,

My thoughts exactly.

A more accomplished player would have dragged the ball to his left after opening his body to feint the keeper who was already committed.

Slotting would have been as easy as pie then but that's not part of the Calvert-Lewin armoury.

Not in his locker I'm afraid.

Argument?? – Civilised debate, my friend!

Chris Leyland
206 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:45:17
Michael Connelly, I disagree about Mykolenko.

He is defensively very solid. It's when he's got time on the ball as has to pick out a pass or is asked to go forward that his limitations show.

That said, he did beat two people yesterday and win a corner when attacking but, when he was put through on goal in the first half, he was the last person (Gueye aside) who you'd want through in goal with only the keeper to beat.

Brian Harrison
207 Posted 24/09/2023 at 10:45:19
Colin @200,

Just to correct your misconception, I have being following Everton for 70 years and I have never booed or left a game early.

I wasn't actually at the Villa game where Calvert-Lewin said he was booed. I just pointed out that the fans on the terraces couldn't possibly see how bad his injury was.

Rob Halligan, who was at the game, agreed that he couldn't see Calvert-Lewin's injury and the majority of fans just thought his hamstring had gone again. That still wasn't a reason to boo but each to his own.

Rob Halligan
208 Posted 24/09/2023 at 11:07:09
Neil, I agree, most would like to see two up front in one or two games. Obviously it won't happen in every game but, if Doucouré keeps on getting forward the way he has been, particularly at Brighton last season, and again yesterday, and scoring the goals to boot, then maybe we don't need to use two out-and-out strikers?

Doucoure would need to have some engine on him though, to do his midfield, defending and attacking roles non-stop. That's what a manager is there for though, to get these team selections, substitutions etc, right. The joys of being a football manager eh, though there are some on here who think they could do a better job!

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
209 Posted 24/09/2023 at 11:20:32
Chris Leyland. He's a left sided Hibbo. Agree?

Except he has already scored.

Mick O'Malley
210 Posted 24/09/2023 at 11:23:19
A really good win at a tough place to go, everyone played their part including the much-maligned midfield who harried the Brentford midfield into mistakes.

Mykolenko defended well, as did all the defenders, Beto with flick ons and incisive runs to get us up the pitch, and to top it off Calvert-Lewin comes of the bench to seal the win.

Well played Blues, every single player played their part including the subs. On to Luton and hopefully our first home win.

Jim Wilson
211 Posted 24/09/2023 at 11:34:56
Great win!

We could have had 6 against a very poor Brentford team in my opinion. I think a Brentford fan posted in pre-match comments he could see us winning 3-1!

I thought the back 4 all had good games. Mcneil played well, Gueye did a lot of good work spoilt by 2 mistakes, Onana still didn't really get going but did make one brilliant tackle.

Garner was excellent and his pass for the Calvert-Lewin goal was what we need from a centre mid player! Doucoure played a typical Doucoure game. Energy, hard work and a goal. Beto raw but looks a threat.

Pickford did okay.

I would be tempted to start the next league game with the team that finished this one.

Neil Copeland
212 Posted 24/09/2023 at 11:35:50
Rob, good point that about Doucouré. He was great yesterday and does play that role very well when given the freedom. I think that bringing Garner into the middle would fit well with that tactic too, he seems to have good vision and is a very intelligent player.

Hopefully we will see Harrison at some point on Wednesday. Not sure if Dyche will play Beto and Dom together as I can see Chermiti getting a run out. Probably depends on how much Dyche wants a cup run. It can be a distraction and add unwanted games to a thin squad but it can also help build confidence and winning is a very good habit to have.

Rob Halligan
213 Posted 24/09/2023 at 11:37:50
One final thing about yesterday, something that really pissed me off, and I'm wondering if anybody else who was there encountered the same thing?

On the way into the stadium, there are, as everybody knows, body searches. I don't really have a problem with that, but yesterday, the steward who fleeced me, then asked what was in my coat pocket. I replied glasses and my wallet. He asked me to take them out and took my wallet off me and started to open it. I said “What the fuck are you doing?” and snatched it back.

His mate stood next to him said, “If you don't let him look, then you're not going in.” It's a wallet, probably the size of a mobile phone, so god knows what he expected to find in it, other than money and a bank card?

Anyway, after he finished, I snatched it back and stormed in. I don't think any steward has the right to look inside your wallet, and I am seriously thinking of complaining to Brentford. The only thing is, I didn't get his name, but I think Brentford FC need to be made aware that this kind of searching is just not acceptable.

Neil Copeland
214 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:02:30
Rob, the same thing happened to me. I reacted too and got told the same as you. I said to the steward that I thought it was a bit OTT, he just shrugged.

The lad I travelled with told me his mate refused to let them search his wallet so the steward tore up his ticket! Fortunately he managed to get a spare from the ticket office. Unbelievable if true.

Surely the stewards have no rights to search to that degree. It's asking for trouble which is strange coming from an otherwise away fan friendly stadium.

Christy Ring
215 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:05:49
Barry Rathbone, would you not just congratulate Calvert-Lewin on scoring a striker's goal – you could see what it meant to him – instead of talking utter nonsense.
John Raftery
216 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:16:10
Rob (213),

It didn't happen to me but I heard somebody complaining about their wallet being searched. I have never seen or heard anything like that before. I can't imagine what they expected to find that might have been a threat to stadium security? Moths maybe! 🤔

Christine Foster
217 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:21:05
Barry, funny your comment, many years ago on my first tranche of life in NZ in the 80s, I would go with family to watch local football who had a few ex amateur Sunday league player who used to play in the Liverpool Sunday league, Steve Sumner, Steve Wooddin, they both ended up playing against Brazil and Svotland in the 82 world cup.. but we befriended another scouser called Brian Fitzgerald, he never made the squad but he was a great striker and we got into an argument about a "jammy goal " he scored which he put through the keepers legs on a one v one. It got heated to which it ended up betting $50 that he couldn't repeat his fluke goal the next three one on one's.. I lost the bet, and for good measure he did it twice in the last one..
With my $50 he bought us all a round and explained it thus..
"A good keeper is told to make himself as big as he can in a one v one, so arms and legs go out. Between the legs is the easiest and most likely winner because he cannot close them" its the skill of the forward to accurately hit a shot between the legs, no luck involved.
He added a tidbit.. " if you get a one on one running from the half way line and the keeper starts to run out, hit it early before he can spread himself..I'll show you next time if I get a chance"
It took a month but as he collected a through ball and the keeper raced out he calmly hit it from 25 yards.. I'm glad I didn't bet that time..

Bottom line, good strikers score what looks like flukey goals all the time..

Barry Rathbone
218 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:28:08
Christy @215

If you can't embrace an honest debate about how a goal was scored without having a tantrum, don't get involved. No one is excluding congrats on an Everton goal because they're discussing what happened… Stop being so infantile.

Christy Ring
219 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:42:00
Barry #218,

In all fairness, since when is it a debate when you keep repeating your comment continuously.

Tom Bowers
220 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:44:46
Brentford have proved they are a good team on their day but Everton where hungrier for the points after a dismal start to the season.

Dyche finally managed to change the intensity after the Arsenal performance and it showed.

I would love to beat Villa after the way they beat us earlier but this cup really means nothing to me except a chance to rest a few and open up opportunities for others.

Rob Halligan
221 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:47:42
FFS, a debate or argument, as to whether DCL meant to put his shot through the goalie's legs or not? It went in, so end of discussion.

The only person who will know whether he meant it is Calvert-Lewin himself. It's like the goal Seamus scored against Leeds last season, did he mean it? Seamus came out and said he did, because he had looked up, seen no other blue shirt in the penalty area, and also saw the goalie off his line.

So come on, Dom, come out and say your intention was to nutmeg the goalie!!

Jimmy Carr
222 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:48:42
Re James Garner.

Mikel Arteta was a central midfielder often played out wide by David Moyes. Gave him a bit more space and time to influence the game. Same thinking might be getting applied here.

He seemed to do well wherever he was last night. I think Dyche just wants him on the pitch.

Christy Ring
223 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:53:16
Rob #221, Totally agree.

Just be delighted that Calvert-Lewin scored, no argument from me, just simply that he scored.

Barry Rathbone
224 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:53:34
Christy @219,

Because people get emotive and lose sight of the point made and go off on hand-wringing tangents (as you did), ergo it gets repeated till the penny drops and/or they calm down.

Quite simple really.

John Kavanagh
225 Posted 24/09/2023 at 12:57:17
John @ 216. They were from the FA inquiry team looking for the Arteta money.

Barry @218. If you want to see who's now being infantile I suggest a quick look in the mirror.

Anyway, a really good away win and I'm pleased that Calvert-Lewin was able to show his ability at last. Dyche's decision not to bring him back too soon is paying dividends and the setback injury at Villa was just awfully bad luck.

However, it's the next two league games that will demonstrate if there's really an improvement. Luton is a typical 'Everton That' type game, where we usually manage to conjure up a defeat.

Barry Rathbone
226 Posted 24/09/2023 at 13:03:31
John @225,

How on earth does a detailed appraisal of a goal scored become infantile?

Please explain with examples (quotes perhaps!!) or are you totally unaware you are living proof of my point?

Jamie Crowley
227 Posted 24/09/2023 at 13:43:57
Was in an area of Georgia yesterday with spotty internet. Had to listen on sat radio. What a game.

With our next two games against Luton and Bournemouth, we have to win them. Do that, and we'll be on 10 points after 8 games. That's not relegation form, Thank You God.

Great game yesterday. Now let's keep moving forward and win our next two and remove ourselves from staring down the abyss.

Well done, Sean Dyche, and well done the players.

Laurie Hartley
228 Posted 24/09/2023 at 13:44:55
Just in case you need a little more happiness have a listen to this humble man.

My MotM.

Tony Abrahams
229 Posted 24/09/2023 at 14:10:19
Wonderful composure and a little insight as to why you are so clever when it comes to civilised debate, Barry R. Keep it going mate!
Barry Hesketh
230 Posted 24/09/2023 at 14:11:42
It was obvious from yesterday's performance that the players provided a small step in getting 'our' Everton back.

Seeing as Dyche got such a positive reaction from the players, and tried to rid them of that bloody awful term "Everton That!", it's up to many more of us to do the same.

We all support the same club, we all want the team to do as well as is possible, but sometimes, we fall for that narrative of "Everton That"; it's a loser's refuge, it's an excuse for failure, we must try and eliminate it from our vocabulary.

Doubtless, there will be games where things go against us, but that's the way football is and always has been, so the only thing we should dois dust ourselves down and look to the next fixture and try and treat each game as an individual contest.

A contest which will be won, lost or drawn by the actions of the teams involved, and will not produce a preordained result based on the baggage we carry with us, as a team and as supporters.

Asked about the build-up to the 3-1 win at Brentford – the Blues' first victory of the Premier League season – he said: “We did a bit of work in the week with them, not just training work but a good chat with them. A few things came out and it just had that feeling of ‘the Everton story'… you sort of start going along with it.

“I said it is us that changes the story, so that is it. End of. No excuses. You are all rounded enough, you have all been in the Premier League, you all know how it works. I said: ‘Lads, it is us that changes the story. Let's have it right.' That was one thing. And another was that idea of finding professional enjoyment.

“It is tough, the confusion of playing well and not getting results. We have had lots [of tough moments] before this – I said look at all the tough times you have had in the last couple of years, including the end of last season. That is where you grow. You should have the on-pitch maturity from them experiences to go and play under pressure.

“I thought that was on show against Brentford, that way of playing under pressure, doing all the right things… so it is pleasing for me that they reinforced that with their own performance and got their own reward. Source: Liverpool Echo

Mark Taylor
231 Posted 24/09/2023 at 14:14:02
To provide some context, I took a look at Brentford's fan site to see what the mood was. The debate was whether that was the worst they have ever played ( the answer was largely yes, at least in the EPL) and secondly, what they can do about a wafer thin squad that has 8 players out, 6 of whom would have started and are key players.

I'm not sure whether we looked good (which we did) because they were absolutely rubbish (which they were) or whether we made them so, for example by an effective front press for the first time this season and outnumbering them in midfield. It's likely a bit of both but I think more the former, which is why I think we should not get too carried away. The Luton game will tell us a lot more.

No-one had a seriously bad game this time, not even Gana or Young. Beto is a handful but his finishing was poor, hope that improves. The two real pluses for me were Branthwaite and Garner, both look very good players, as they did with the winning England U-21 side. Hope we can hang on to both but I fear Jarrod especially is going to be in high demand. No wonder PSV wanted to keep him.

Oh and for what it's worth, I think DCL did try and nutmeg the keeper but only he will know...

Barry Rathbone
232 Posted 24/09/2023 at 14:21:16
Tony 229

Back at you Tony.

We have contrasting opinions but you are a class act always trying to be civil it is a pleasure to discuss matters with you.

Others would do well to learn from your example.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
233 Posted 24/09/2023 at 14:35:53
Christine, forget who said it except it was a golfer.

The more I practice, the luckier I get.

Paul Hughes
234 Posted 24/09/2023 at 14:40:45
Phil - it was Gary Player.
John Hood
235 Posted 24/09/2023 at 15:05:12
Well played Everton, thoroughly deserved. I had a feeling you would do well. We are struggling at moment as a long injury list is exposing lack of squad depth and to lose Schade before kick off... oh dear. But it's only one game and plenty to come. Best of luck for rest of season.
Dale Self
236 Posted 24/09/2023 at 15:16:03
John Hood, an American here so if I may speak in my American-English football native tongue: That is fucking class maaaan. Seriously, showing up after a defeat to wish us well is just beyond words. We really appreciate that and will obviously return some support for your fine club and community. Thanks again.
Tony Abrahams
237 Posted 24/09/2023 at 15:17:32
That’s how I felt watching the second half yesterday Barry H, because it felt like an Everton performance from yesteryear. Honest hard graft, with players making little angles and showing for the ball, is always one of the hardest things to play against, imo.

Interesting that about Brentford missing a lot of players Mark, and it just shows us how important it is to have a strong squad, because Everton have been getting undone in similar circumstances for quite a few years now, imo.

Being civil comes naturally thankfully Barry, although I do have my moments but usually only towards people like Rob, and Neil, described as being present at Brentford yesterday. Great days out can definitely be spoiled by people in uniform, especially when these people don’t apply any common sense.

Nobody carries cash anymore Rob, wallets are now only used for Charlie! The things these bastards can get away with is staggering, when it’s claimed we live in a free society. This is the only thing I don’t miss about not giving to the away games anymore.

Christy Ring
238 Posted 24/09/2023 at 15:29:46
Looking back at yesterday's match, the Everton fans were superb.
Brent Stephens
239 Posted 24/09/2023 at 15:31:12
John #235 - class act, John.
Bill Gall
240 Posted 24/09/2023 at 15:32:40
Good game, good result and deserved. On the DCL goal, whether he meant to put it between the keepers legs or not, his positional play and running provided the opportunity that is often missed, so congratulations to him,. They say winning brings in confidence so here is hoping, as on yesterdays showing we have a mid table team that should only improve. Happy I started watching them again.
Rob Halligan
241 Posted 24/09/2023 at 15:52:35
Tony, that’s what my missus said, that anyone could be carrying drugs in a wallet, but there are proper ways to go about it, like maybe asking a person to open their wallet and let them look inside, not just take it off you without warning and proceed to open it.
Billy Shears
243 Posted 24/09/2023 at 17:16:05
Like I've posted before,I feel we have the makings of a really good side,we just need to be more clinical when we create chances (which we've been doing) and have the belief we can win games (away from home especially).

Onwards to Villa Park,if we can win there (even on Pens) with two very winnable games to come at home in the league the confidence and belief will rise...COYB

Mark Ryan
244 Posted 24/09/2023 at 17:25:57
Rob @ 241, I won't go into too much detail for you but essentially upon entering a Designated Football Match stadium the rationale for stewards searching is to prevent articles being brought in to the arena that could cause injury to another. Glass bottles, bladed articles, CS Spray, Flares and that's it. It should only be a pat down and they should not be putting their hands inside your coat pockets. They have no power to search for drugs and so your wallet is 100% a no-no and I would complain to the club, its ridiculous.
Even a Police officer would need to have reasonable suspicion that you were carrying drugs to search you. Bottom line, you cannot simply be entering a football match stadium and have a PC say " I am searching you for drugs without some ounce of suspicion that you might be. It's a red flag, no all day long
Stewards do NOT have any power to search you for drugs none whatsoever and a search of a wallet or a hand in a pocket is a massive NO. The steward was wrong to even think he could do that.
Graham Mockford
245 Posted 24/09/2023 at 18:05:31
Whether Dom meant it or not who gives a flying fuck, it was a goal.

I once saw Daniel Amokachi score one off his arse

Rob Halligan
247 Posted 24/09/2023 at 19:21:44
Thanks for that, Mark. I'm waiting on a reply to a text I've sent to a steward I know at Everton before considering a complaint.

If Brentford are so concerned about drugs being taken into their stadium, then maybe they should employ the police, or whoever it is, that use sniffer dogs outside the stadium.

Paul Ferry
248 Posted 24/09/2023 at 19:22:31
Barry (Rathbone), you just can't let anything go can you, if only for a while? You do not debate Barry you argue, and persistently - as on this thread - to the point of tedium. You do this all the time and it's not a good quality and most certainly not a way to win or score points in an argument/debate (call it what you will) or get respect on the other side of the argument/debate.

In what adult world does someone post "Back at you"?! That tells you all you need to know.

I suspect that anyone who might share your view will not come on as they do not want to be associated with your playground persistence. Meanwhile, and this is. becoming so routine that it suggests that you rather enjoy it, you are on your dogged own again, barking, insulting (why would you call CR "infantile", why?).

Sometimes it's good to just let go Barry. Try it. But no, you have to pop back on at 194 to continue something that most others just wanted to see finished.

Larry O'Hara
249 Posted 24/09/2023 at 19:26:59
Mark & Rob,

At Fulham a couple of seasons ago, drug sniffer dogs were in use at the away end (only).

Neil Copeland
250 Posted 24/09/2023 at 19:40:53
Larry #249, sniffer dogs are used for the away support at most of the grounds I have been to over the last couple of seasons. Brentford are the first to employ sniffer stewards though.

Rob, I’ve sent an email to Brentford asking why they thought it necessary and what rights do they have to do it. It will be interesting to see if I get a response.

Rob Dolby
251 Posted 24/09/2023 at 19:56:20
It was a performance waiting to happen. A fit O'Neil and a willing physical presence up top makes a massive difference.

We have played equally as well against Fulham and wolves and got nothing out of the game.

Brentford are no mugs but will struggle without their focal point striker similar to us for the last 12 months. Is Maupay the answer for them? I doubt it.

I felt a bit for Beto yesterday, he worked hard and thought he deserved more than an hour on the pitch. The tactic worked and DCL did make a difference when he came on. A bit of competition for his spot will do him the world of good.

Onana drifted through this game, he needs to start impacting at either end of the pitch. He is so frustrating.

I was please Garner started instead of Danjuma. Garner gives us more work rate and better quality. I am yet to be convinced with danjuma's all round ability and think Harrison will eventually take his spot on the wing and Garner move into the middle instead of Onana.

Made up Young was taken off the set pieces, garner and O'Neil have better quality at this stage of their careers.

Mykolenko again having a decent game keeping Burmo quiet. My motm Tarkowski he was good at both end of the pitch.

Tony Abrahams
252 Posted 24/09/2023 at 20:09:59
Mark@244, thank you for that information, mate.

Rob, is a middle aged man, and doesn’t come across as anything other than a genuine football fan, but you know how these people pull rank and the lengths they can go to even when they haven’t got the law on their side. It can easily escalate and if Rob, had had a few pre match pints, I think you know how the story can go.

I got ejected at half time once at Man City, one sensible policeman, knew what was happening but he couldn’t/wouldn’t pull rank on his gobshite mates, and just nodded his head in agreement when I said, how easy it is for these things to escalate.

Everton actually sent me a letter, cos I showed the bizzy asking for ID, my Everton season ticket which just happened to be in my coat pocket, (I wouldn’t have done this if I had anything to hide, would I?) and I was at Goodison Pk, at ten past nine, as soon as I’d dropped my son at school, demanding to speak to the person who had sent me the letter.

He wasn’t in the ground, but he rang me about 3O’Clock, the same afternoon and couldn’t apologize enough after hearing the proper story. I was fucking fuming and had only gone the match because one of my kids had rang me asking for a lift whilst I was in work.

I ended up taking him and had to buy three tickets for about £130, and when I added that to the money I lost by finishing work early, it worked out at over two hundred pound. I could have took yers for a big Chinese banquet, had a few pints, and then watched the match on the telly, I fumed at the kids, (the game was live on sky) but I was true to my word when I said I’d never travel to another away match that was live on television, and have only broken this rule for a few cup games.

It wasn’t about the money but it’s saved me thousands, although in all honesty Rob, I don’t think you could live without traveling away to watch the blues playing anywhere.

Rob Halligan
253 Posted 24/09/2023 at 20:57:54
Neil, who did you actually address your email too? When I get round to doing it, it will be heading straight to the CEO of Brentford. This is the only person who you will get a reply from, not some jobs worth that sits behind a desk in the administrative office.
Neil Copeland
254 Posted 24/09/2023 at 21:06:49
Rob, you are probably right but the only contacts it gave were a list on their website relating to different parts and responsibility’s within the club. I sent it to the match day operations team.
Rob Halligan
255 Posted 24/09/2023 at 21:11:52
Neil, John Varney is the CEO of Brentford, and his email address is No harm in sending another Email direct to him.
Neil Copeland
256 Posted 24/09/2023 at 21:28:46
Rob, cheers mate, I will send him a copy of what I sent earlier. If we both do it then you never know.

My message basically asked why does Brentford FC feel the need to conduct a search of away supporters wallets and can they demonstrate a legal right to do so? I also said I found their approach to be very intrusive at best.

Paul Ferry
257 Posted 24/09/2023 at 21:33:25
I'm sure that I'm not the only one on here who would love to know if you get a reply from John Varney, Neil and Rob. Would you mind sharing it with us if you feel comfortable to do so.
Mark Taylor
258 Posted 24/09/2023 at 21:56:05
I was curious about the search thing. This is on Brentford's website, it's not specific on the extent of the search, don't know if we say the same:

"All persons seeking entrance to the Ground acknowledge the Club's right to search any person entering the Ground and to refuse entry to or eject from the Ground any person refusing to submit to such a search."

And I also found this which amused me no end:

"Sikh visitors to the stadium will be permitted access with a Kirpan, provided that the blade length is no more than four inches and it is safely secured in a sheath and concealed beneath clothing."

Presumably it is some sort of ceremonial knife. The guidance also encourages carriers to show it to security.

Neil Copeland
259 Posted 24/09/2023 at 21:57:09
Paul, I will be surprised if we get anything back but you never know and Brentford seem to be a progressive and well run club so perhaps we will. If so, I will copy it onto a post on here somewhere.
Neil Copeland
260 Posted 24/09/2023 at 22:04:05
Mark, thanks for looking that up and I sure all the teams sites will have a similar comment. I have no problem with the general search which is conducted at every ground. It’s the extent of the search which is so unnecessary, why don’t they just use sniffer dogs like everyone else. I have 2 Springers they can borrow at a very reasonable fee if they can’t find dogs in London.
Mike Gaynes
261 Posted 24/09/2023 at 22:21:03
Christine #217, I got a similar lesson in training one day, directly from the best striker I ever played with. I was the backup keeper on most of the teams I played on, and I was in goal in an 8-on-8 when he slipped one through my legs. I called him a lucky shit, and he bet me he could do it again in a breakaway drill. He did it two out of three times.

Later (once he stopped laughing) he explained that at full speed with the keeper close it was the easiest way to score. Do a little shimmy like you're going around him, or open up your hips like you're shooting back across him, as Dom did yesterday, and the keeper's legs will open every time. (He had a sexual term for the technique which I will not repeat here.) I've watched for it ever since.

Certainly lots of times it's pure luck to score under the keeper, but it's also frequently planned.

Mark Ryan
262 Posted 24/09/2023 at 22:25:46
The focus and brief for the Clubs Security Lead, Match Day Commander and right down to the stewards brief is to prevent weapons entering the ground. It is to deter the "lone wolf" nutcase bringing a blade, etc into the ground. Protection against injury is paramount. Sniffer dog deployment is more about deterring drugs being used wholesale and to an extent it works but let's go back to searching wallets. It's a massive "no" and if Police intelligence was received to say local user " Bill Kenshite "is carrying a wrap of speed and will be entering the South Stand, Gate 12 there is no chance that a Steward would be tasked with searching him. That would fall to a Police Officer and its that kind of intelligence that would determine a search of a wallet and let's face it, that kind of intelligence is like rocking horse shit. Steward searches should be to prevent bladed articles etc ( except as mentioned thd ceremonial religious daggers etc ) and not to look for pictures of your children or to see what bank cards you have. Naughty Steward.
Neil Copeland
263 Posted 24/09/2023 at 22:31:22
Mark, thanks for that and agreed 100%. He even flicked through the money (not that but took very long mind) in my wallet, cheeky twat!
Mike Gaynes
264 Posted 24/09/2023 at 22:34:10
Laurie #228, I saw an article before the Arsenal game that Doucoure was 4th in the Prem for total distance run this season at 7.25 miles per match. After yesterday I'm sure he ranks even higher.

Incidentally, Iwobi was 4th last season.

Barry Hesketh
265 Posted 24/09/2023 at 22:58:21
Mark @262
Obviously this level of security doesn't extend across the park as they have over 50k weapons entering their stadium every home match.

Neil @ 263 The guy posted on social media, that he checked a fans wallet and couldn't believe that the supporter still had a white fiver and a ten bob note! Wasn't you was it?

Neil Copeland
266 Posted 24/09/2023 at 23:02:29
Barry #265, ha ha, the ten bob note maybe, no chance of a white fiver though
Rob Halligan
267 Posted 24/09/2023 at 23:38:50
Have finally sent an email to Jon Varney. Had it all typed out, showed the missus if it looked ok, who promptly lost the whole bloody thing! 😡😡😡. Have therefore re-typed it, trying to remember everything I said earlier on, and pressed SEND! Hoping for a positive reply from Mr Varney.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
268 Posted 24/09/2023 at 23:52:37
Missed the match while watching my 7 year-old play and score directly from a corner, something he entirely did not mean to do. DCL through the legs? 100% intentional, but the haters are gonna hate DCL no matter what. Utterly silly debate aside, I’ll take every chance to support my case that DCL is an absolute star when fully fit. So happy for him, the team, the away fans and all of us who were worried that this season was getting away from us.

It’s scary “watching” a match on your phone, looking at statistics that appear to show yet again that we’re generating chances but not scoring, and then hanging your head in despair. But those two quick second-half goals change everything.

Onward and upward!

Si Cooper
269 Posted 24/09/2023 at 00:20:02
‘As for Branthwaite. his year at PSV, plus I suppose ageing a little has moved him on from a solid young Shane Duffy type to someone who looks a bit special.’
No,no,no, Kieran, no! Jarrad Branthwaite was never a Shane Duffy type. I had the distinct pleasure of watching what I think was his first actual appearance in an Everton game, an U21’s away game versus Watford (in St Albans), and the lad was imperious although it was obvious that he was still very much settling in. A number of times he strode forwards with the ball well into the opposition’s half, whilst doing all the standard defensive duties as well.
I think sometimes people forget how young he still is. Nerves will have played their part when he appeared under Ancelotti because I think he’s intelligent enough to know top attackers will punish the slightest mistakes.
He favours his left I think but will use either foot and is far more comfortable on the ball than Shane Duffy ever was. Barring serious injury I think he could be a true all-round defender in a couple of years when his full strength and speed become established.
Ernie Baywood
270 Posted 25/09/2023 at 01:30:42
Anyone who has played the game knows exactly what DCL was doing in that instance.

Open the body, early, low and firm past the oncoming keeper.

I couldn't care less whether it went 3 cms to the left of the keeper's left leg or 3 cms to the right of the keeper's left leg.

It's a good finish. Sometimes 'better' finishes get saved. He instinctively did the all right things and the ball went in the net.

Well done Garner for the press, tackle and through ball. Well done DCL for the movement, touch and finish.

Laurie Hartley
271 Posted 25/09/2023 at 01:42:39
Mike # 264 - yes he covers a lot of ground and doesn’t mind the physical side of the game. Now he’s scoring goals.

He hasn’t got silky skills that is for sure but he makes up for it with the other stuff. I think he is underrated.

Rob # 251 - yes Tarkowski had a great game - I can see why he would be your pick.

Don Alexander
272 Posted 25/09/2023 at 02:24:03
Iwobi's running distance per match means very little to me.

Unlike Doucoure, Iwobi makes avoiding any physical contact at all his life's mission, to the cost of the team and result.

Iwobi is powder-puff, worth nowhere near what we paid for him, as Fulham are already finding out, having benched him last Saturday in a 0-0 draw against the mighty Palace.

In fairness to his Toffee fans, he did eventually get 15 minutes on the pitch though.

I'm sure he was very contented by that.

Laurie Hartley
273 Posted 25/09/2023 at 05:24:37
Don # 272 - and there was me trying to be subtle.
Danny O’Neill
274 Posted 25/09/2023 at 06:15:44
On the security check thing, I've commented on my usual "day out" type report.

I didn't get asked for my wallet (they're not getting that), but did get asked if I had taken drugs or had drugs on me. I asked them why they thought that.

"Because you look tense" was the response.

Mine was “Do you understand what it's like following Everton at this point in time?” Of course I was tense.

He let me in.

Personally, it was relatively smooth, but over the top. Airports don't even have those level of personal checks. Bags go through scanners and dogs trained to sniff out explosives or drugs are used.

Checking a wallet? What do they expect to find other that a few debit / credit cards and moths?

On the subject of Wirral players. Although we don't know if he will step up, we also have Lewis Warrington in the wings. He's always impressed me whenever I've watched him play. I hope the loan at Plymouth helps his development playing competitive football.

Ian Jones
275 Posted 25/09/2023 at 08:22:27
Decent win. One thing that frustrates me is how one-footed Dwight McNeil is. If only he could use his right foot, he would be so much better and more of a problem for the opposition.

Personally, I prefer players who are two-footed – it will be interesting to see how Jack Harrison fits in.

Mark Ryan
276 Posted 25/09/2023 at 10:04:28
He checked my wallet and could see there was a slight bulge to it " what's all this then? " he asked suspiciously
It's juat a picture of my great uncle, he used to ring the bells in Notre Dame Cathedral..I'll get me coat
Dave Abrahams
277 Posted 25/09/2023 at 10:13:12
Mark (276), Quasi never just rang the bells in Notre Dame he was the champion wrestler of Europe, nobody could pin his back down for three seconds, I’ll get my coat and join you!!
Mark Ryan
278 Posted 25/09/2023 at 10:31:07
My uncle had a terrible fall one day from the Gallery of the gargoyles. He got bored using the ropes and so he had taken to sticking the nut on them to make the chimes call out across Notre Dame. One day he ran across the belfry to use his head but tripped and fell, falling from the gantry. As he lay on the floor people ran over and a crowd gathered. Looking down a man said " any idea who it is ? " and a fella replied " no but his face rings a bell"
David Connor
279 Posted 25/09/2023 at 15:05:40
We are all quick at slagging of the team when it gets beat and probably rightly so. But that was a great win at a really tough ground to get 3 points. But it was a great win at a very below par Brentford.

We now have to carry that performance forward into the Luton and Bournemouth games because 6 really tough games follow them. Let's hope that this is the turning point in the season. We will see.

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