Last gasp winner for Luton dumps Everton out of the FA Cup

Calvert-Lewin and Beto to start!

COYBLUES!

Beto to play off Calvert-Lewin: 4-4-2. Danjuma did not track back anyway.

Calm down and think Keegan and Toshack. I can't wait to see how this pans out…

Who'd have thought 🤔

They've gotta be the best side in the league off corners, at least I would hope they are, given we've conceded 4 of them against them. They're proving to be a bit of a bogie side for us.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm so beaten down following Everton over the last couple of years, I feel pretty indifferent! It's not like we had any chance of actually winning the Cup.

Utterly bizarre season writes another forgettable chapter.

And take that useless Calvert-Lewin with you too. Couldn't score or win a header or hold a ball up if it killed him. Can't defend corners, can't make simple 10-yard passes.

We are a joke of a club and deserve relegation. You can run around and work as hard as you like but it means fuck all of you can't play football. We were outplayed for the 2nd time this season at home by the mighty Luton fucking Town.

Our "strikers" wouldn't strike fear into anyone but surely it's time to give Dom a rest and try something else, he's looked well off it for the last 2 months. Beto didn't look great either but a run of games might do him some good.

It's very difficult to gain any pleasure from that team. The support deserves so much more.

Dyche is going nowhere because of all the aggro off the pitch. I worry that this team is about to implode. Luton, I mean for fuck's sake… Luton Town.

Pretty sad and mundane when you get beaten by Luton Town home twice in a season. It's what we are as a football club, I suppose.

But honestly, what a load of utter crap that was from Everton. Sadly, I have to admit there was, as some have wisely said, no way we were going to go very far in this competition and, after that display, I'm just glad I don't have to watch them try to win games like that any more this season.

Although that's 100% wrong, because every game in the Premier League is now going to be a 'cup-tie' in the old vernacular, and we are going to struggle mightily if that is the way we are going to play them.

We have been poor at defending corners this season yet we concede them too easily.

Take the piss out of that lot all you want, but they are going to win the league and possibly the FA Cup again this season and Everton can't even win a match at home to Luton (twice).

Dave Cashen, that's why I like well-taken goals across all leagues, as we don't see them being scored by anyone in an Everton shirt.

The Kenwright legacy will be the 25-year killing Everton FC.

I'm actually glad they are out of the FA Cup and can concentrate on Premier League survival.

Looking like a Championship team on the pitch again.
Very, Very, Very worried.

As for today, Beto is worse than Rondon and that is something special, because Rondon was an elasticated shorts money thief.

I swear, you could write the same comment every week, and it would still be true.

Where do we go from here?

Poor tactics allied to poor individual performances.

Worrying slump we are now in with few options for rotation. Lord knows when Doucoure is back but we miss him terribly. Let's consign 4-4-2 to the dump for a while.

Hope we do better at Craven Cottage, I'll be watching us in person for first time this season.

I've just come home from the match and, in my view, we're going to have a hard enough time staying in the league.

Luton look the better football team.

We still look like the ball has just landed from a far-off planet in another galaxy.

Not one of them can do the basics well, can't pass, can't run, can't even be a nuisance factor and hold the ball up, for two relatively big forwards in Calvert-Lewin and Beto, I doubt Luton's defenders will have a more cushy afternoon.

We are one of the slowest sides in the league, where is the pace?

Not one of our centre midfielders can create either which is a worry going forward now.

Fulham away, Spurs at home and Man City away?

I can't see much from those games judging by the way we've collapsed since the Fulham Carabao Cup loss, zero goal threat.

Long old tussle now for a third season in succession.

Looks like we've bought a Sunday league player in Beto, while Brighton just seem to pick up gem after gem.

Conceding comedy goals again and looking comedic up front too. Not sure what the question is… but Calvert-Lewin and Beto are definitely not the answer! Running around a lot won't do, I'm afraid.

Could be our turn this season unless this team find a way to pass to each other. Long way to go, but it ain't looking great, I did wonder whether this latest allegations/charges would affect the players adversely, there's part of the answer for us. Can't even beat Luton at home once out of 2 at home!

Why don't Everton do goals anymore?

There was a lot of hope when we went on that good run after the points deduction but, since then, the performances have gone backwards and, with the fixtures coming up, it does not look as if it will get any easier. Confidence builds success but the players don't seem confident and that is for the manager to solve.

I'm coming back home for a visit near the end of the season and I thought we would be safe… but, unless there is a change in performances, we will be back to having to make Crystal Palace performances.

Things have to change quickly, Dyche had the team set up with Doucoure scoring, he is unavailable for we don't know how long shouldn't he have another formation.

Tough watch. Worst I've seen us play this season even when results weren't going our way early.

I don't know how many times I've said it over the years: 4-4-2 doesn't work in the modern game.

Well, I suppose we can concentrate on the perennial relegation battle now. We're a terrible team.

You need wingers and full-backs that can beat a man and cross. You also need partnerships. We have that at centre-back but nowhere else.

I expected this result. The Premier League campaign is going down to the last couple of games again.

It all seems very flat since we fucked up that penalty shootout (thanks Onana, you clown).

Everton seasons do tend to swing very quickly and on one small incident.

We look like a side that's flat again now and in need of new blood which sadly won't be coming in this month now due to no finances.

Beto was clearly manhandled all the way to the edge of the box starting 6 yards inside the area and Barkley clearly pushed Calvert-Lewin in the back for their goal.

Besides that, we have to stop giving so many corners away and conceding from them. Also, a goalscorer and change in tactics would help.

Why wasnt Dobbin given a chance? He is the only forward to score recently.

For the past 3 seasons, we have stayed up by the skin of our teeth and it's no better.

We have no effective strike force, in fact we have fucking piss poor strike force. It's not going to get better either, the manager is a dyed-in-the-wool journeyman.

Nothing in today's game gave me any hope. In a way, I'm glad we're out as we didn't need a replay. I don't give a shite who castigates me for that statement either, we were never winning the cup anyway and anybody who says different is deluded.

But holy fuck – it is hard to keep your mouth shut with a performance like that. I bet every Evertonian just knew Luton would score from that corner.

We deserved nothing and that's what we got – fucking rubbish, we are… even against what some on here have called a shit side!

It's not like Dyche can bring in players that will improve us, it's become worrying.

We were never going to win the cup so I'm not that bothered about going out, our form needs to improve markedly though.

Luton, who had shown some good form before this game, were supposed to be certain to go down; it's not looking that nailed on now.

We have simply lost our way. Many factors outside our control haven't helped but we are sinking deeper season after season. I wish I could see some hope, a spark of something to revive dormant expectation. Alas, I cannot.

You may enjoy hearing about lower league players scoring the occasional goal against lower league teams with lower league goalkeepers and lower league defenders. No harm in that but, as others pointed out on last week's thread, these players you so often tout just because they have scored that day would not get near a Premier League squad. They are simply not good enough.

Our forwards are trying to do it against some of the best and most expensive defenders in the world. And they trying to do it without any sort of service.

No striker would score many goals in this Everton set-up.

We need those points back. Saying that, we will be in the same position next season and the one after that. Without investment, we are only going one way.

Nothing coming through the youth team to improve us.

It's a slow downward spiral.

I don't think anyone will castigate you mate.

The reality is the Moshiri tenure has been that much of a sick joke that 7 years down a line of managers which includes various Champion's League winners, we have Sean Dyche at the helm in 2024.

That tells you in a nutshell everything that is wrong with Everton Football Club.

The odds were overwhelmingly stacked against us to win the cup. Better to go out now than face a replay and the prospect that brings of losing players to injury and suspension.

I think it is going to be a long hard struggle to avoid relegation from now on in. Maybe if we can get Seamus and Doucouré fit, and keep them fit, we'll have a chance. But if we don't get points back from that bunch of shysters, then I fear for our club.

Even if we had a multi billionaire buy into us he wouldn't be allowed to spend due to the closed shop bollocks Financial Unfair Play rules.

And the romantic notion that a manager can come in and wheel and deal and play youngsters to succeed is from a bygone era.

That'll teach 'em!

Agreed.

Kendall tried to do that in his third spell in 1997 buying the likes of Oster, Farrelly, Williamson, he thought because he did it 15 years earlier you could do it then.

That was 1997 when you couldn't get away with that anymore, even far far less now.

Time to find a new love and a new hobby.

The mental health can't do this shite anymore.

100 years from now and it'll be the same but in a lower division and we will have won fuck all.

I know we're stuck for numbers in midfield, two doesn't work in midfield; whether you like it or not, we miss Gueye.

I thought Beto was the poorest on show, which says a lot, his first touch is like Brett Angell — as big Nev said about him, his 2nd touch is a tackle. We desperately need a loan signing.

A couple of even competent players who could contribute something would have done. Thelwell has squandered the last chance we had to strengthen the squad up front. And Dyche has been complicit.

Beto looks like another "lights on, no one at home". Still, we plod on.

In the midweek U21s, he was miles behind Dobbin in terms of performance. Dobbin ran Benfica ragged, created a goal, created a penalty and was just head and shoulders above Chermiti. Chermiti scored from a back pass which was 20 yards short of the goalie, that's all he did all night.

Yet today he gets on instead of Dobbin; must be soul-destroying to Dobbin.

What the hell did our Sporting Director and his team of scouts and performance analysts see in Chermiti???

Dyche must have been at a different game today if he thinks we performed as well as Luton and just two poor free-kicks let us down.

That was absolutely diabolical today, mind-numbing football. I'm sick of reading excuses for Calvert-Lewin, two players who were Championship defenders last season absolutely bullied our two no-marks up front today and had them in their pockets.

Also, what does Garner do? Never scores, doesn't create chances, and Harrison is awful. I can't watch Dycheball, I know he has his fans but, fuck me, it is atrocious to watch.

Luton had the cigars out today, one of the worst Everton displays I've seen in my 54 years of being a Blue.

I never thought I'd lose interest in football but what's the point in just surviving relegation every season? I'm glad I've seen us lift trophies, I feel for you Blues who haven't

Why would Dom fall forward rather than head the ball out? It's an easy decision to find in our favour but once again we get nothing.

I thought Garner was good today. Going to The Cottage on Tuesday. Coyb!

I've seen some rubbish over the last 20 years or so, but this takes the biscuit. Woeful, couldn't have complained had it been 4-0.

We need those points back. If not we are doomed.

Runs about a lot but contributes very little in a creative sense.

I just can't understand why we forked out over £20 million on Beto, when we could have kept Cannon who would have been no worse than the two strikers Dyche played today. We really do need all 10 points back.

Mick #68, I agree with every word!

Garner was poor today.

Why can't they pass? What do they do all week at Finch Farm?? How come every team we play against seems fitter, pacier, and more dangerous going forward than us?

I thought he worked hard and won the ball back more than anyone.

We were never going to win this competition with this squad.
I'm all for a cup run with us in mid-table and using squad players, but we're fighting relegation and the squad is thinner than a wet Rizla.

Forget today and move on.

We had 2 midfield players playing against 5 in Luton. I think Onana and Garner did well in the circumstances.

It's the age-old story that, if you can't hold the ball up top, you're always liable on the turn.

Luton's defenders were far better than our two turnips.

I get that the league is a priority, but getting turned over in games like this is killing off any chance of a comfortable escape from the trap door.

I'm starting to think that all the pre-Christmas good things we saw will not return as this bunch are just not good enough for this level.

To be honest, I don't know how we manage to sign so many players who can't pass, can't finish, and can't tackle. It's something we seem to excel at; other clubs don't seem to have this level of expertise.

Garner worked hard and did win the ball on several occasions, he then promptly gave it away again! But you're correct: he was being swamped by their midfield.

It's the dilemma of playing 2 up top or 5 in midfield, I thought early doors, Beto and Calvert-Lewin created a couple of half chances but, as the game wore on, it didn't develop.

I think the lone striker with a forward-thinking midfielder (Doucoure) is our best formation but, with him out, we're snookered. Danjuma and Dobbin are too unreliable in midfield to use them in that role.

Beto and Calvert-Lewin need someone close to them; it's why Dyche needs to earn his salary.

Personally, I'm gutted we've gone out of the cup.

Fulham next week.

How we keep assembling "teams" of lazy midfielders, useless defenders, and forwards who wouldn't get a game for Tranmere is beyond me.

We can rail against the VAR, conspiracies, bad luck but the long and short of it is we are shite at football!

But it's his first season in the Premier League and he's been in and out of a team that's not creating many chances currently. Let's not jump on his back as many are prone to.

Today, Dyche adopted tactics which in no way played to our strengths. I've been a supporter of his but the blame lies on him primarily for today's result and performance.

I still think we will stay up, just about, but many more performances (and tactical mistakes) like this will have Thelwell (and the new owners?) looking more and more closely at who the next man in is?

He quickly needs to find a way of making us more competitive and creative when Doucoure is missing. Plan B is not working so far.

Point taken.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

Physical? Yes; athletic? Really? Football skill? Incredibly limited. He isn't a kid who's going to improve. He is what he is, a big clumsy forward with no pace or acceleration.

Not what works in the Premier League anymore. It's not a case of jumping on his back – it's more of looking at what our Director of Dycheball is doing.

I didn't call Luton defenders the best and most expensive players in the world. But then you knew that.

I said our forwards are trying to do it against the best and most expensive players in the world. That's a fact. The Premier League is a magnet for some of the very best.

Even against a poor Luton side, we couldn't create chances for strikers today. You might want to address that situation.

As for striking the ball "clean", why don't you google Calvert-Lewin 50 goals? Off the top, you will see him hammer home against Palace and Newcastle. You will see him strike a beauty against West Ham after spinning two defenders. You will even see a spectacular overhead kick against Arsenal. Then there are 3-4 penalties which he hammers home. You'll also see that, given decent crosses, he is probably the best header of a ball in the game.

Sorry, Joe. Wrong information: When you google it, you will have to type the letters E P and L into your search.

At the end of the day, we may be able to tweak things here and there but the fact is that this is about as good as we have I'm afraid.

Individually, on paper, we are a better bunch than Luton. Shockingly, they are a better team.

We just have to hope that we get more lucky than them for the rest of the season and hopefully put at least one more point on the board come the last match of the season.

We should never have sold Cannon. He's better than Beto. So is Dobbin.

He works hard, he occupies defenders and he's got a decent goal scoring record. I can absolutely see why the scouting department would think he'd suit Dyche's system.

Chris Wood is one of the top scorers in the league so I think there's evidence that such players can still be effective. He's only had 500 minutes in Blue. Early days.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. You obviously rate Calvert-Lewin and I don't.

Let's leave it there.

I can't even remember us making any moves of note, that showed us to be a Premier League team. That I could look at and say to myself "good move!"

I don't want to be unfair to our team, they're our team playing for our club and I want to be proud of them. I couldn't today. I can't remember us, at any time, exciting us, the supporters, enough to be enthralled enough to jump up and roar them on.

It might be a totally different atmosphere and performance, when we next play. We might produce a much better performance and produce enough moves to create the shots to give us hope that we can win a game.

On the evidence of today's performance, I'm worried about our team and I'm worried about our club.

Push Harrison into the centre alongside Beto and play Garner on the right wing, put Dobbin in midfield alongside Onana.

Could do with three points on Tuesday to get back on track in the league.

Dyche is rewarding failure, Beto and Dobbin who have both scored more recently than DCL have not been given time to gain more experience. Players should be given at least 60 mins per game in subsequent games if the player scores.

Dyche style of play is high tempo and pressing very demanding football everyone is running and trying, By only using 2 subs we are likely to have injuries and conceded goals very late in the game.
Like today.

Again we have to wait until the 75th minute for subs and how Harrison stayed on the pitch is just beyond me, he offers nothing, can't pass, can't cross and can't tackle. His goal was fortunate to say the least.

Onana or Barkley, Townsend or Harrison? I know who I would have and neither was wearing a blue shirt. Fortunately Harrison's loan expires at the end of the season and with any luck we won't be able to afford to keep him. If Arsenal want Onana just let me know and I will take him myself (or anywhere else in the world the useless bum wants to go).

We're buying players when the deal is possible, rather than what we want/need. That's why we have few options, why the bench is used as a last resort. Don't compare us to Brighton. They have a rational, thought-through scouting & recruitment system. We have short-term decision-making on top of an awful, non-competitive culture.

That said, no excuse for such an insipid, lifeless performance. When we're not on it, we're really bad, aren't we?

Wheres the football ? Wheres the interplay ? Wheres the craft ?
They look devoid of ideas.

Tactics play a part, but 442, 4411 or 433 it would only have been 1 player difference to the line up.
I don't think we would have created a load of chances with a little tinker of formation, the players have to stand up, be braver on the ball, be willing to try something different, be willing to do something unexpected because its all too predictable.

Gana & dacoure will help but if they come into a squad with shattered confidence then they won't be the saviours we are looking for.

1) Our players look weaker and slower in lose ball skirmishes? Not quick enough to get their foot in and win more than 35% of challenges and too slow over 2 or 3 yards to evade challenges. (McNeil especially.)

2) Shrugged off the ball too easily. Harrison, Garner, McNeil, Patterson are lightweight physically, compared to more athletic opponents, even Luton and Crystal Palace players, who passed the ball far better than us in triangles to gain territory.

3) Our throw-ins are a joke, in terms of the willingness of often static players making themselves available and often having to receive a bouncing throw-in — what % do we win?

4) Which goalie had to make the best saves in both recent cup games?!! Yes, Virginia has performed very well, especially the stoppage-time save against Palace. He seems to have a longer kick than even Pickford, but today, especially, so many went straight through to Krul.

Does he practice hitting markers 35 yards away from opponents goal during training, or just told to belt it to the usual lone 'striker'? How good was Calvert-Lewin 18 months or 2 years ago at winning headers? He was excellent.

5) Some really worrying passing, when not under pressure, especially in the 1st half.

6) Luton and Palace seemed to have more space when attacking; we are under more pressure when going forward, so inaccuracy and poor weight on the ball result.

Add together little things such as these and… thank goodness for Branthwaite, who, uncharacteristically, made a few mistakes today, he takes no shit from a striker. Tarkowski and Mykolenko were okay, but the giveaway last-minute corner (Tarkowski?) looked awful.

Surely what is happening off the pitch must be hurting Dyche and his team. It's fucking hurting me.

The performance is a different kettle of fish: it was really poor all over the field except for Virginia and Tarkowski. Although he was at fault for the corner that Luton scored the winner from, I hate to think where we would be without him this season.

Basic mistakes all over the field – it was very depressing to watch and, as poor as Luton were, they deserved to win.

A nightmare of a performance leaving us all down in the dumps and wondering where the next points are coming from. Absolutely nothing good to take from abysmal performances like that, the players should be ashamed and made to watch it at the next training session.

Dyche the dinosaur messed up again playing 4-4-2. It doesn't work; it's for League One. We have 2 duds up front. Neither can score and neither should be classed as a striker. Where's Dobbin? What did he do wrong?

Dyche will take us down as he's ran out of ideas. A gloomy January to be followed by a gloomier February. These players have resorted to type. They gave up under all our managers since Moshiri arrived.

I reckon the atmosphere is toxic within Goodison, with many wanting to jump this sinking and stinking ship. Thanks to Moshiri, Dyche, and bullshit Bill.

Sorry, folks, but we need to realise where they have brought us and stop playing the victim.

It is a bit of a dilemma, really.

Beto is worse than Dobbin, Cannon, Tosun, Maupay, Belfitt and even Brett Angell.

We were trying for through balls but the front two struggled with them, and Calvert-Lewin and Beto received very few decent crosses from out wide. Having said that, their first touch on the ball was awful.

I thought Onana was one of the better players today.

There were some individual mistakes in defence, too, from Mykolenko, Patterson and even Branthwaite.

It was a poor day all round. I had a couple of daft moments myself - Mrs Mills suggested a holiday commencing 25 May, I thought “That's Cup Final day, we'll discuss this tomorrow.”

And I opted to go to Goodison instead of Marine, who won what was apparently a superb match with an in-off-the-crossbar screamer in the 98th minute.

At half time, I noticed that the Luton players were playing that 'piggy in the middle' quick control and passing game over by their fans.

Our galacticos were in 2s and 3s at the Gwladys, 35 yards apart, twatting the ball to each other, with varying degrees of accuracy, showing off a range of trapping and nifty turns, but at half pace.

You know, like we all used to do before our own amateur kick offs, in my case 50 years ago!

As I said, 103 above, little things.

Multiple fullbacks who can't cross;
Two Completely Impotent Strikers;
Most One-Footed Winger;
One Headless Chicken Winger;
Zero Midfield Creativity—Zero;
Defender (Tarkowski) who gives away a corner for absolutely no reason with 15 seconds on the clock.

Branthwaite should be preparing a transfer request before his chance for an England career dies before it is born. And Pickford, losing his England's Number 1.

Totally disgusting.

And Calvert-Lewin — don't forget him.

Relegation would be a disaster, as would the takeover deal with 777 Partners. Whether it happens or not, it is not good for us.

The Dyche project seems to be running out of ideas, the players look spent and alternatives are unlikely due to P&S rules.

Personally, I support what we have got because that's all we have got. So either get behind them or…

How many cousins has George Weah got!!!

Very disappointing. But we have Fulham next week.

Nearly home after a very long day.

Discuss.

As for Beto, he had a great chance to make a name for himself, though not an easy chance; nearly put it in No 5 Gwladys Street's back garden!

At this level, you don't get many chances and we don't have strikers either good enough or confident enough to take them when they come along.

We are the worst team in the Premier League apart from Sheffield Utd. We desperately need some loan signings (and a good barrister) to save us from relegation.

Worst team... you do realise without the 10-point deduction we'd be comfortably mid-table.

We were rank today but let's keep it real.

I advocated playing with two strikers but one is badly out of form and the other is still getting used to the English game with the jury still very much out on whether he will ever adapt.

I thought we played the system very badly and left way too much space in between the lines for Luton to exploit. But the most galling thing about today was how badly nearly every Everton player was in possession, with few players taking anywhere near enough care of the football.

The lack of quality was very embarrassing and what made it even more frustrating was how many times we wasted good opportunities by being extremely casual and careless; this is cause for a lot of worry imo, right now.

Why can't we find our own players with a pass? Time and again we give the ball away, not just today but week-in & week-out. We must have the worst (or best) Premier League statistics for passing to the opposition!

We put no sustained pressure on Luton, at all, until the last 5 minutes but even then we didn't look like getting anything on target.

Most players were poor but some were woeful – including Harrison, Beto and Calvert-Lewin. Is he the new Maupay?

Dyche is always way too late with his substitutions and today waited until the 78th minute – by which time, Luton had already made five! He either thinks his first choices are okay or has absolutely no faith in those on the bench.

Just a comment on their goalkeeper. He was wearing the same colour jersey as the rest of the team. Have they changed the rules?

Today showed us convincingly that we don't have the players to do 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 or 1-7-2 or 5-3-2 or 8-0-2.

A rather large issue that you chose not to bring up, Ian, is that, in order to line up with two up front, we need a one. Who is the one? Calvert-Lewin?

Unlike many others, I prefer not to go heavy on criticising players but sadly with a heavy heart I have to say that Calvert-Lewin has been pants for a while now. In other words, your working assumption is that it is Calvert-Lewin plus one.

As I said, we do not have the players to move to 4-4-2; my jaw almost dropped when I saw Dyche's team. Dobbin? Danjuma? Chermiti? Beto? None of these will perform effectively with a 75% Calvert-Lewin in a two.

Our strengths, such as they are, are in a 4-5-1 or 5-4-1. Alas, the same players who can win four on the trot can also lose four on the trot.

That is the nub of the matter and we have to cross all our fingers tightly and hope that whatever version of Harrison, McNeil, Gomes, Doucoure, Garner, and Gana take to the pitch behind the lone striker manage to get the ball out wide and through the middle. Hope!

I would like to see Dobbin get a couple of games either out wide or behind Calvert-Lewin. But I think, like most of us, I'm running out of ideas, but not hope, belief, and the certainty that we will be in the Premier League next season.

Two Absolute Plank forwards. Non non-existent midfield, defence looking like conceding for 90 minutes.

Nauseating.

A little bit of composure and a timed pass and we walk away with the game. Trouble is, we are like this every week. We have to try and bring someone in before the window closes.

Absolute unadulterated garbage.

Let's not beat around it.

Beto a goal threat??? Gffaww. Dreadful. Great big Numb Donkey. No touch, skill, or guile… Oh how expectations have reached the gutter.

Reading these comments, everyone is pretty much on the same page, the only comfort being that at least we have fewer games to plan for with our threadbare squad. We scraped past Palace and I'm still seething about the League Cup Quaterfinal. Although Harrison wasn't hurt so badly (was it Harrison?), Calvert-Lewin's red was rescinded but I'm convinced that game weakened our league chances. At least we haven't had two extra games to further decimate the squad going forward to try and remain in the top flight.

I have three sons who have all responded to treatment and are to-die-for Evertonians, and a grandson heading the same way. He is now old enough to work things out for himself and I might even suggest he seeks alternative treatment before the Everton in him also becomes incurable. (He lives not far from Maidstone!)

Sad, sad times us Blues are enduring (that's the only word to describe it). I remain forever hopeful but the optimism is simply receding that we will be anything relevant again before I become a gibbering old fart.

I just looked at the BBC football home page and, unless I am missing it, I could not find the word Everton mentioned anywhere in any context.

Sums it up really.

"I've got a mate who wants a game. And he's got a Transit. And his mum will wash the kits…"

We'll get another "winger" in on loan before February. Once he's recovered from his inevitable knee or hamstring injury, he'll be played in the middle or as cover at right-back. And so it goes.

We all know why we are where we are and which bugger put us here. We will recover at some stage. I just hope it doesn't take as long as the bugger who put us here was alive for.

The club is not getting governed, which might not be any worse than how it's been anyway, but all these things ‘add up' and it looks like it's ‘taking away' a lot of our spirit right now.

I spoke to my oldest son, who is an Everton fanatic and has been going for over 23 years, a lad who has been going anywhere Everton play for a lot of that time. He said to me it didn't really hurt yesterday, and how he was beginning to hate going to Goodison, and how he was seriously thinking about how can he indoctrinate his soon-to-be-born first child, into being the Evertonian that he has been.

We must be telepathic because I was driving towards Goodison from Bankhall after last night's game, looking at the floodlights lighting up the Walton skyline, and my first thought was that we have now got to get away from that fucking ground – and this is coming from someone who absolutely loves Goodison Park.

Don't worry, Everton, my first grandson will definitely be going to Bramley-Moore Dock (God willing) but Goodison has been cursed by an era of the complete fraud, kidding the life out of way too many people, whilst going under the guise of a man who only ever had Everton's best interests at heart.

I think Everton need to bring in a couple of players on loan; otherwise, I might get my wish of playing Championship football next season. Unless yesterday was a game we had no interest in winning, we definitely look like we need a little bit of fresh impetus from somewhere, right now.

I was laughing and agreeing with your hilarious message.

So please ignore my post at 136.

You thought Garner was good??? My god, what game were you watching – he was absolutely shit.

Then again, here were 9 others alongside him… I'll give the keeper some credit because he played well.

We must have the worst forwards in the Premier League alongside the worst two wingers because believe me that Harrison and McNeil are fucking dreadful footballers.

The sooner Doucoure is back, the better, not the most graceful of players but he at least offers a goal threat.

And Dyche can fuck off as well, and as for them morons booing Barkley – they haven't got a clue, he was the best player on the park by a mile.

Our midfielders are just a bunch of show ponies and cowards as well.

Unfortunately over the last few games, it is real. Maybe you could add an improving Burnley to Sheff Utd but I can't think of anyone else.

If he won't give Hunt a chance, he should have played Godfrey as defensive midfielder or Young. Beto's first touch was so poor, Dobbin was a better option, but our strikers were living off scraps.

Our two wide men offered nothing, and when was the last time Harrison played well? In the 2nd half yesterday, how many times did Branthwaite have to cover at right back, because Patterson was totally out of position? At one stage, he was standing beside Tarkowski.

I know others have mentioned why did we sell Cannon for £7M, and bring in Beto for £30mM, even if no fee was paid yet? I have to agree.

You can moan against 4-4-2 (which some have called for to see if Beto can help Calvert-Lewin), However, whatever formation we play, we lack the players to provide openings and those to bury the few chances we create.

Players let us down every week with a poor touch, an overhit pass, an inaccurate pass, miscontrol (and lost possession) and a scuffed or inaccurate shot; essentially, the players are fluffing their lines.

When Patterson plays on our right, our defence is wide open, as the kid gets caught out of position all the time. We are competitive when we can play Coleman at right back and Doucoure in midfield.

The absence of Gana has exposed just how useful he was at closing the gaps. Dyche has his faves and Danjuma and Dobbin are deemed untrustworthy due to their perceived lack of defensive cover. However, we will never create with the sleepy McNeil and scattergun Harrison.

It's a mess. We are only good enough to sit back and play on the counter. The minute we have a go, we get picked off.
Luton are crap and so are we.

You're so spot on there mate. Patterson is a Championship player at best.

Most of them are really, to be honest.

Maybe we should have kept Townsend. Maybe we should have signed Barkley on a free. They would have padded out the squad. But we didn't… so we are where we are. At least we only have to worry about staying up.

I do think, if those 10 points hadn't been taken, we would be doing better because we wouldn't be looking over our shoulder at the Bottom 3. It's screwed us up good and proper.

Maybe those of you saying our players are no good should remember that. In December we were world beaters. Well, it was the same players then as it is now.

I don't think Luton are crap, they were very good value for that win yesterday, as they were in the league game.

They had the best player on the pitch in Barkley – how ironic being a former player of ours.

The cretins that were booing him were probably the same clowns who used to say Rodriguez was a waste of space.

Ignorant morons who'd rather see someone like Garner running around offering the square root of fuck-all.

I worry for our future if that clown Thelwell hangs around because, believe me, he wouldn't spot a player if it smacked him in the face.

Witness his pursuit of Gnonto and Adams during the summer, embarrassing to say the least.

The less said about Beto and Harrison and to a lesser extent Chermiti, the 3 of them are useless, the better.

I honestly think if we don't get them points back we are down, these players don't look like they've got any fight in them, unlike our opponents yesterday – what they lack in skill they make up for in fight and strength.

I know it is the Football Association which I think is separate from the Premier League and the Football League.

Our worst performance since Luton earlier in the season. It's hard to take that Luton and Fulham are getting the better of us.

Pickford, Coleman and Gomes to return for Fulham on Tuesday and hopefully Doucouré and Gana will return shortly thereafter.

Next season will mark the 30th Anniversary since our last piece of Silverware.

Tony A, I agree, the sooner we move out of Goodison the better as the good memories are now too distant in the past.

The old girl is cursed I'm convinced of it.

Teams used to hate coming here because it was intimidating; not no more – anyone can rock up and walk off with the points or a cup win.

Let's be fair, we've been knocked out of both cups at home, a shocking stat.

No, for me the sooner we get to Bramley-Moore Dock, the better, I'm absolutely sick of the place.

I'm convinced our fortunes will change once we get there and I for one can't wait to take my seat in there.

What a ground that is going to be.

Keeping Harrison on, who is poor, week-in and week-out, is unbelievable. But it looks like he's a Dyche favourite and is first on the team sheet every match. Why the hell didn't he give Dobbin a go?

I wonder if Young will get a go down the right, given Dyche's seeming disinterest in using Danjuma (understandable, he's too selfish). Because Harrison needs dropping. Flukey goal aside, he's been slipshod for weeks, and we need something.

I think 4-4-2 could work, but I would have Dobbin as the link-up striker, bit of pace and nippy for the knock-ons. Unless it is worked on, on the training ground, Beto and Calvert-Lewin are too similar and attack the same ball, getting in each other's way.

With bodies missing in midfield, I think at half-time I would have looked to put Ashley Young in midfield to try and get a grip of the ball in midfield, instead of going Route One to our strikers.

A replay was the last thing we needed; we need to focus now on getting points, getting the off-field mess sorted, lick our wounds, then once we have the numbers and everything sorted, we can focus on a cup run in the following seasons,
it may be a god-send that late winner.

Once again, I thought Virginia gave his all, well impressed how he has come out of the cold and put in some great performances, Pickford will be back for the league games, but you have to feel for Virginia after his recent performances.

We would have drawn Man City at home, with a depleted midfield, Luton may have done us a big favour with that late winner.

In the match yesterday, Luton made 5 substitutions before we made one, which has been a Dyche weakness throughout the season and any resistance to change. We are back to the Moyes days of no Plan B.

Equally worrying this season, is that Dyche's new arrivals in Beto, Young, Chermiti, Danjuma and Harrison, have at best been poor acquisitions and have not added any value whatsoever to the squad.

We never seem to learn and I don't see any new arrivals coming in January which will be another disappointment but, based on our recent track record in this area, it is hardly surprising.

Okay, yesterday was not really a match to judge any of our players on with the over-physicality of Luton, aided and abetted by that personification of dogshit (apologies to all dogs, Danny) who refereed. (?)

Beto and others were muscled off the ball, usually by two Luton thugs in tandem. Although I would heavily criticise, not just this match but most others too, our deplorable and wasteful passing. I also watched the U21 game vs Benfica and that was mirrored in that one too.

What is going on at Finch Farm in Training with what should be basic tools and skills for any professional footballer — control… passing… shooting?

Occasionally I'd wind them up and say “It's gonna take a generation to sort out this club.” And yet here we are 30 years at a minimum will have passed before we win a trophy.

Whatever the reasons, and they're manifold – some controllable, some not – it's highly depressing.

I would love to know how much of the comments are knee-jerk reactions? We would be 12th without the deductions. Have we suddenly fallen off a cliff or is it a miracle that we would have had 27 points?

Are Gueye and Doucoure so vital that there is no replacement? Or is this just typical Evertonians' reactions to another bad day?

Hopefully there will be redemption on Tuesday night at Fulham.

There's a long way to go this season, and on to the next match. Hopefully there's going to be a few bright sparks from the Everton squad, and 97 minutes of commitment, guile and effort.

UTFTs!

Beto has scored 3 goals so far this season which is 2 more than Maupay did for the whole of last season, so he's still an upgrade, albeit not as much as we'd all like.

Like I said, Beto's fist touch is poor but, if he gets the opportunity to run with the ball like the goal he scored against Newcastle, then he carries a threat.

£20M is comparable to a £500k punt 30 years ago. That's the transfer market unfortunately.

Look on the bright side... At least we've saved ourselves a pointless fixture against Man City in the next round.

Evertonians have a right to be angry after yesterday's performance. It was terrible. We may well just about escape relegation but, sooner or later, we won't.

There is no progression and hasn't been for a number of years. Dyche is a proper dinosaur regarding tactics and how to play the game. It's no better than Allaryce. It wasn't good enough then and it's not good enough now.

The players shouldn't escape criticism either. Everyone likes to slag off Calvert-Lewin but the midfield is shocking. No penetration, passes constantly overhit, and no desire to win the ball back when they inevitably lose it. It's a shit state of affairs no matter how much you want to dress it up.

It's horrible football to watch and it produces horrible results as shown yesterday so don't try and pass it off as Evertonians overreacting to another shite performance.

The mere fact that you suggest we would probably get thrashed by Man City just shows how far we have fallen and, if that doesn't make you angry, then what will?

Are you content now for us to just thank our lucky stars that we haven't made the 5th Round of the cup for fear of humiliation? Well that statement in itself is humiliation enough.

It's not so much the result or results that have been bad, it's been the performances that have slipped. When that happens, you see it manifest in threads like this one. Which is fair enough in my view. Some constructive, some just looking to vent, and few with their same one-sentence shite!

The real issue is the lack of threat we are posing. Before this game, it was 4 matches without a goal from open play: Palace twice, Villa & Wolves – not Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea!!!

Gana and Doucouré will help, but the energy of the team has dropped massively, which is understandable with the schedule and a small sqaud. But the lack of ideas, the poor possession, zero invention and lack of real craft to create more is the most worrying.

There's not to much shuffling that can be done, but even taking players out for a match may give them the rest and kick up the arse they need to up their games.

I'd say the Beto & Calvert-Lewin pairing won't be coming back so soon, but Danjuma is definitely an option behind Calvert-Lewin.
Young and Coleman will improve us too.

We are so predictable, teams are dealing with us too easily. We need to change something.

Dyche has to make do with what he's got, good players but not ones that are going to dazzle anyone.

Dyche knows as well as anyone the different ways to play football, but it depends what type of players you have to pick from.

In my view, we could do with one or two decent loan players in this transfer window. I think it's very unlikely, mind, but who knows?

We've got Doucoure, our best goalscorer, injured and McNeil doesn't seem fully fit to me, another one of our best goalscorers. He got injurerd in a cup match. Gomes got injured in a cup match it seems and Calvert-Lewin got sent off, which was rescinded. (I was going to say thankfully but I'm not so sure!) I don't know how many (or few) goals he's scored or contributed to; but he's missed a fair few decent chances from the games I've seen.

I don't know what's up with Seamus, but we're missing him, we're missing Gueye in the Afcon.

Brian has said in (153) that he thinks 4-4-2 could work, I agree. I don't think the formation is as important, as is the players who fit in that formation. When we had Doucouré playing further up instead of in the defensive midfield, we went on a very successful run, and I'd be quite happy to see us play it again. That was 4-4-2 in effect.

I have my doubts about Calvert-Lewin. It's just my view but he looks like he doesn't have the "sniffer" side of goalscoring and regularly gets goals like Doucouré does on the end of moves. I think he had one purple patch for half a season when Digne (and the two players brought in by Benitez, Townsend and Gray) were supplying him with crosses and chances, mainly for the half a season it took before the oppostion stifled Digne's crosses.

Anyway, we've got Beto, Calvert-Lewin, Danzuma (if he stays), Chermiti and Dobbin who might do a job as central striker or support striker.

In the league, Doucouré's got 6, Calvert-Lewin 3, McNeil, Harrison and Mykolenko 2 each and others including Keane, Gomes, Beto, Onana, Danjuma, Garner, Gueye and Dobbin with 1 each.

Sean Dyche is trying to build a team rather than just 11 players and it mustn't be the easiest job in the world, with the number of injuries with the small squad we've got at Everton. I think continuuity is an important aspect but with the number of injuries we have, it makes it even harder.

But I don't think Everton can wait much longer for Calvert-Lewin to start producing more goals. I'd much rather like to see us see Doucouré with Dobbin alongside and Danzuma or Gomes or Beto on the right of midfield.

When I saw clips of Harrison playing for Burnley, I couldn't wait to see him in a Blue shirt, but I must admit, he's been disappointing. He works hard but I was hoping for more.

I hope Danjuma stays as he looks a decent player to me and perhaps him and Dobbin could play more of a role on the right.

I look at Patterson and think he's very enthusiastic but rather naive and can't wait to see Seamus back. We then have a sound defence.

It must be very difficult to learn your trade while playing in the Premier League but I hope and think Patterson will eventually make it. Right now though, I hope we get Seamus back PDQ.

As for Keane, if he isn't transferred, I would hold him as an emergency striker sub. I wouldn't like to see us with 5 at the back again.

As for Onana, I won't mind if we sell him and bring in two good players, or even one. If we keep him, then I hope he either improves radically or is used as a sub.

Finally, does anyone think like me, that some of these refs are so pathetic they are bordering on the biased? There's been at least 3 occasions recently where an Everton player has hands round his waist and pulled back, two of these occasions were in the opposition penalty area (and the BBC gave the opposition centre-half "Best Player" vote!) and one yesterday where Beto was shoving off another player who was grabbing him round the waist and the bloody ref waved play on!

Well, we've got half a season to pull ourselves away from relegation for all the frustrations with this effin Premier League's roguery, what we can do, is what we have been doing. Support our team in the brilliant fashion we have been doing.

Whatever colour he wore, he should have brought himself a flask to keep warm considering the lack of anything meaningful we sent his way!!

Luton had way too much space in between the lines yesterday, especially once our very careless and extremely casual passing kicked in.

In the light of that, plus Fulham being paired against Klopp's soon to be former team in the League Cup semi-final, may well have helped us dodge a couple of bullets.

Perhaps we have spared ourselves further embarrassment than we have already had to endure so far in this depressing season.

Many on here moan about football these days abs I’ve never been one. But I’m realizing now my love for the game has gone and simply it’s Everton or I’m not interested. I never thought I’d reach this point in the days I recorded every World Cup match or bartered to complete Charlton Athletic in the Pannini soccer album but evidently I’ve reached the Victor Meldrew point in life.

I like Sean Dyche, he talks a lot of sense… but I think he is one dimensional and archaic in his approach. My gut says perhaps we have to keep things simple. These players need to stay on track and a new manager might give us a very quick bounce but derail us before May.

I fear we have to stick and under very difficult circumstances, Sean Dyche is grafting and he deserves credit for that. Might be a tad harsh to say enough is enough. We are out of all competitions but realistically that is where we are as a club right now.

Who would come anyway?

I cant agree with Steve's post @170 as I see quite a few managers with a similar quality squad as ours but playing much better football. Thomas Frank, Gary O'Neil and De Zherbi. Yes, Dyche has improved the mentality of the side but the football is pretty much route one.

I don't think changing the manager is the right decision at this time but, if we survive relegation, I hope we do look for a manager who will play a more expansive game than Sean seems capable of playing.

Also, let's not forget Brighton have sold about £300M of talent in the last couple of years and also changed their manager but are still sitting comfortably in the top half. Are people really saying we shouldn't be able to do what Brighton have done, just our recruitment of managers needs to improve.

Count your blessings we’ve got Sean Dyche at the moment is my mantra and hope the injured players come back and we don’t get many more, a hard fought draw at Fulham tomorrow might start raising our hopes again, down but still alive and limping towards safety!

You and I must have witnessed many a game down the years, that can be likened to the Luton Town fixture. Those who are ripping the team to pieces today will no doubt experience similar games in years to come.

It's easy to criticise from a seat in the stand, and it's my belief that anyone who earns a living playing football can actually "play football". I have in the past been ridiculed for saying that footballers are not robots who have been programmed but it's a view that I have held for some time.

I am obviously pleased when we win, and disappointed when we lose. In my youth and and early adulthood, an Everton defeat would spoil my weekend. I now attend games with an open mind and it helps me to either enjoy or endure what's placed before me.

I now know that if Everton losing a game is the worst thing that happens to me this year then I've had a good year.

Every manager that comes in has his own ideas and the type of players he needs to carry them out. You can't do this in one season,

Dyche has come into a crises-ridden club from the top, with no money to spend and an overall poor squad.

He steadied the squad into a decent place and was then hit with a 10-point deduction, and has since been hit with players missing with either injuries or representing their countries and others out of form, and with a poor squad; no money, he can't replace them.

He has his problems sure, but somewhere along the line we have to get stability, and sacking the manager hoping we can find someone with a magic wand to change things is not the answer.

There is no problem in firing a manager when you are in a more stable position, but as this club is far from stable with every Everton detractor willing to put the boot in, now is not the time to join them.

Any new manager that comes in will face the same problems, and what is that saying, you can't turn a pig's ear into a silk purse.

Every new manager will want to bring in new players to suit his methods, so far Dyche has proved he is capable of getting what he has into a mid-table team, and who knows what he is capable of with financial backing.

No one wanted to keep hold of the ball on Saturday, it was like a hot potato! As soon as a player got it, no thought process, just get rid of it, for whatever reason. We can put it down to short on numbers and confidence low but it just looks like the fight has gone out of the players, whether it's mental fatigue or just sheer panic. If it is fatigue, then Dyche needs to start making subs a lot earlier, because he is slowly burning these players out.

We need to get a second wind and get a little run going again, we simply cannot have a third season on praying the three teams below us are worse.

We can look and say without the 10-point deduction, we would be okay, and I agree, but looking at us at the moment, even some or all of those points back might not be enough.

Now we are out of both cups, at least it gives us a fighting chance of resting players and trying to somehow get a run going again.

Yes, you and I have been following Everton for a long time and we both love the Blues. You have your way of supporting the Toffees and stick to that, that's fine.

I think any supporters who have a go at the players when they see a disgraceful performance as on Saturday are perfectly entitled to do so — especially when they see players making the same mistake time after time with the basics of the game. As you say, John, they are professionals; to me, it is like an electrician who doesn't know how to put a fuse in an electric plug.

That's by the way and I'm glad we are still able to go to the game and see the team we fell in love with all those ago. It's a good job you took Josh with you when he was very young, he loves Everton like you and is now your right-hand man, helping you to support the team.

Give him my regards. I hope he is still playing the game as well as watching the Blues.

I have no problem with fans expressing their views, but vilifying players is a different thing, and it's my belief that many critics go over the top.

There may be some players who don't always give 100% but it's my opinion that very few play badly on purpose, and to hear fans calling international players crap or other names isn't called for.

I bought Josh his first season ticket when he 6 years old, he's now 19, and I've told him that it's his turn to look after me. I find now that I'm walking like an old man, but I suppose that can be expected as I approach my 86th birthday. Yes, Dave, Josh is still playing, it was a really nasty injury he suffered, and I thought he wouldn't play again.

Everton are doing me no favour by postponing the new stadium opening, but I'm determined to do all I can to hang on. I think that walking away from Goodison would be a sad day for every Evertonian but, as they say, "Time and tide wait for no-one".

Well vilifying players at the game doesn't do any useful purpose and I doubt they hear any personal abuse anyway but offering their opinion after the game in pubs and talking on the way home is a release of emotion.

I have a go at the game at shirkers who pull out of tackles or players who don't give their all and go missing from games, do it on here as well, I think they deserve all they get, to be honest, John.

Over the top is Gordon West getting destroyed at the Gwladys Street end in a European Cup game, he moved to the penalty spot to get away from the abuse, we won the game quite easily in the end; there have been other instances.

I'm glad Josh is playing again, I hope he is enjoying it, the only thing better than watching football is playing it.

You are right, John: "Time and tide waits for no-one" so all we can do is “ Keep right on to the end of the road”!

The problem is his bench isn't all that. He had two fit first-team midfielders on Saturday and very little experience beyond keeper and central defender on the bench.

That way he can put his feet up and binge the lot.

I do think Dyche is in danger of running the players into the ground but, compared to last season, we have improved. The deduction has put a massive downer on things but we need to stay behind the team.

We could have used Dobbin and Danjuma, like-for-like for McNeil and Harrison, pushed Young or Hunt on, even Michael Keane pushed up as back-up behind the striker, anything to just get some fresh legs on the pitch.

These starting 11 are starting every single game; why not switch a couple on the 60-minute mark, let someone come on with fresh legs for 30 minutes, instead of the last 12 minutes?

These players will end up picking up minor injuries, with playing week-in & week-out and being hit with fatigue, when a bit of game management needs to be used on the players.

What can you do, try and swim the moat, will get bit on the arse by Masters and Co and told to turn back and not try again; the rest are on the outside waiting for scraps to be dangled to tempt us.

Leicester once managed it, Wigan and Portsmouth, but if you look over the last 20 seasons, the Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup have all been won by one of the top 6 elite. That cannot be good for the game, but if they are allowed to spend more with bigger revenue, prize money, TV money from the Champions League, the gap will keep on getting bigger. Something has to change for the good of the game.

Everyone reminds us no silverware since 1995. Have a good look at the FA Cup Winners, League Cup Winners and League Title Winners – it's not just Everton who have not won a trophy for a while. Pompey, Wigan and maybe Swansea in the cups and once by Leicester in the league. That's how big the gap is between the 6 and the rest, over two decades of almost full domination of the trophies on offer.

I never thought it would come to this.

The fact that this happened – and no-one stood up to them – has got us where we are now (not Everton, football).

Question is: What can anyone do about it? Stop paying football subscriptions to media monsters?

I firmly believe that Man City will get relegated when eventually the case is heard and they are punished. They will resign from the Premier League and join the European Super League. Quickly followed by the usual suspects.

In the next couple of days, you might be changing your allegiance from Morecambe to a Championship team!

That said, I'm with Bill @177 and others who recognize we need stability more than anything, even if that means this season and next we simply fight off relegation. We cannot even contemplate firing Dyche, can't even be on the table. Maybe if we lose 5 or 10 more in a row, but not where we stand now.

Maybe the hope will continue to kill us, and it's much easier for me than those who are 20, 30, 60 years in as supporters, but I look at the turnaround of clubs like Villa, Brighton, Brentford, Newcastle, even West Ham, and anything is possible with a few savvy moves.

Our squad has the players who should be playing mid-table football, but the glaring weakness for me — even more than lack of a creative midfielder or strikers who can find the net, both of which are big — is we lack any real pace, anyone who you think might actually take someone on successfully one-on-one.

Which is why I'm also frustrated, as others have mentioned, that Dobbin didn't get a run-out against Luton. I stand by my pre-match call for Beto to start alone up front, with Dobbin coming in out wide, and it would've also been a good time to start Danjuma over McNeil, shifting Harrison to the Doucouré role.

Sure, we might've suffered defensively, but it couldn't get much worse than it turned out. It won't happen in a league match, so foolish to call for it against Fulham, just wish we could've seen it on Saturday.

Win tomorrow and we can end the doom and gloom for at least a few days. COYB!

I think he's doing a decent job overall and, until we can afford to bring in quality, he's probably the man for the job. Doesn't mean I can't criticise him or have to admire him. On saying that, I do like his approach to press conferences.

After the mediocre performance on Saturday by both teams, I am now thinking  back to last season regarding looking over our shoulders at the teams below us as we need them to lose their matches so that we can stay up… again! 

Even if this match was not a cup game, what is seriously wrong with some of our players???  Calvert-Lewin — when will he score for us? Beto — a player of his stature falls over so easily,  Onana — was he actually there? 

I will be there on Saturday against Spurs but will we get a hiding? At least we get some spirit and fire from the likes of Gomes and Coleman.  Ideally, I would prefer that all our team turn up week-in & week-out; we cannot keep blaming the manager.