Chelsea 6 - 0 Everton

Early morning optimism. I believed we could get something. Good lord, how that ended up them doing an Everton on us.

Into London and got there a bit earlier than I expected as the trains were unusually running okay compared to lately. I arrived at Parsons Green and made my way to the White Horse. Mark joined me and we had a few before heading off towards the ground.

We found another place although I have no idea what it was called. It was very close to the stadium, so with my experience of Stamford Bridge, I was unsure if we would get in. But the doormen were polite and just let us enter. Mark and I must have innocent faces!! Packed with Chelsea supporters.

We found a small enclave of Evertonians in a corner. Chris and Les. Joined by a father and son who were from Portugal. They were Porto supporters. Nice people although I did try to get the youngster to take off his souvenir Chelsea scarf. He smiled and we shook hands before he and his father headed off for their day out. Great to meet you all.

I started the kit and sock debate. I’m a Blue, White, Blue person, but some came up with Blue, White, Amber as per the iconic Alan Ball picture. I like that. Our away kit should be Amber in my opinion. Not that monstrosity we wore last night.

Then onto 69-70 versus 84-85 discussion. Apparently, 69-70 gets the vote. I can’t comment only go off tales from relatives and the likes of the wise men I was sat with yesterday. Apparently, half of the 84-85 team wouldn’t have got into that team. Surely Kevin Sheedy would have?

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I met with my brother’s mate and we headed into the stadium. He’s not from Liverpool but has adopted Everton. I feel guilty for taking him to that. My apologies, Des. You don’t deserve that.

The supporters were there in numbers as always and in loud voices to start with.… But then…

Well, that is possibly the worst Everton match-going memory I can remember since the Ian Rush 5-0 derby. It really hurt and numbed me. Worse than 10 May 1986. I struggled on the way home and to sleep, having flashbacks. It is going to take a few days to get over that.

Beto could have put us ahead early doors and it could have been a different game. He fluffed his lines. Was that offside when he did find the net? I can’t watch it back as it is too painful.

Once again wide open in midfield. They ripped us apart, controlled the game and hit the flanks with ease. That Palmer looks a great player.

Pickford had a mare. At fault for at least two. Can you just stop punting it and giving it back to the opposition, sometimes direct to their keeper? Maybe that is the instruction he’s been given?

He actually made a very good save prior to their 6th (yes 6th). But once again his parrying back into the danger zone gave them the opportunity. And when he literally passed it to a Chelsea player, that led to a goal. He had a poor game but then so did most of the players, so I shouldn’t be too harsh on him.

Our usually reliable defenders, Tarkowski and Branthwaite, were showing signs of fatigue after countless games of having too much pressure put on them through little or no protection in front of them. Despite my earlier comments, I’ll be less harsh on Jordan, because he is also put under a lot of pressure for the same reasons. The thin blue line.

One of the poorest Everton performances I’ve seen in many years and it wasn’t a pleasant journey home surrounded by Chelsea supporters belting out the classics. “Sign On” and “We pay your benefits”. It wasn’t pleasant.

It’s done. It happened. We are numb. The next matches are more important. No point dwelling. We have to pick ourselves up. Those players have to pick themselves up. The supporters will. We care too much.

There are very few positives to take from that, if any at all. All I would say, is that when he came on, Gomes is a very good footballer. One of the very few we have who is comfortable on the ball. I don’t think he has 90 minutes in him, but why didn’t he start? He didn’t have a lot of options in front of him and we missed Idrissa.

Nice to catch Neil at the end… and we stayed to the end.

Mykolenko as always, first over to a baying frustrated crowd. He doesn’t shy away. Most of the rest gingerly stayed central with some token claps. Seamus came over and got a decent reception, but we were a hurting crowd and letting it be known.

This will take a day or two to get over.

It wasn’t as bad for me as for those travelling back to Merseyside and further, but I still didn’t get home until midnight. But hands up, I stood on the wrong platform and went the wrong way before correcting myself!

Keep going, Blues. It is all we can do… and will do.

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Stephen Vincent
1 Posted 16/04/2024 at 13:45:12
Thanks for the report Danny, I didn't go last night, a good call heh. Always nice to read the thoughts of those who did.

Couldn't agree more about the away kit, last night's is dreadful. To add insult to injury the Sky commentator described it as red.

Watching on TV I was reminded of a group of 60 year old women I see occasionally when walking the dogs - The Sefton Park Strollers.

Nothing else to say really apart from it's not the defeat that hurts but the manner of that defeat, shameful. Took me back to May 2005 Arsenal 7 Everton 0, but at least we had already qualified for the Champions League. I feel like we qualified for the Championship League last night.

Going to see South Liverpool in the promotion playoff game at Atherton on Saturday, at least I will see 100% commitment from players who do actually care.

Tony Abrahams
2 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:02:25
Fair play to the thousands of toffees, who travelled last night, and it was those people I had in my mind, and was genuinely the only reason I watched the second half.

I did it for many years myself, but had to shake my head when thinking about that disgraceful display, and the time that many Evertonians, would have been getting home last night.

I would be embarrassed to pick my wages up, if I played for Everton last night, so the only thing left to say is, that the club, do not deserve the support it receives from our fanatical away following, and the fans should be reimbursed for their troubles last night.

Siri told me that 3000 x £50 = £150,000, so what would that cost each member of our traveling party if they decided to split the bill?

Stephen Vincent
3 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:11:54
Trouble is, Tony, we would have to sell a player to afford that!!!!
Tony Abrahams
4 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:26:28
If we could offload most of them, then I don't think there would be any tears, Stephen, except a few tears of joy, but the money that these players and the manager make each week is absolutely staggering.

When Michael Keane came on towards the end, I was doing the sums in my head and this was all the justification I needed for why I no longer travel to watch Everton playing away from home.

Sometimes it's hard enough going to Goodison, and I don't have to leave my house until half-two. I just feel sorry for the younger fans like my son, who was texting me last night.

Leaving Goodison is going to be very hard for a lot of us but, for anyone under the age of 30, it's probably going to be the best day of their Evertonian lives, such is the shite they inherited when their fathers accepted the Jinx.

Christopher Timmins
5 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:33:14
Since Tottenham away just before Christmas it has been terrible, bad news on and off the field.

The manager has to be judged on the whole and 35 points from 32 games would have left us safe and would represent modest improvement on last year. However, the past 15 games have been so poor that unless there is an uplift over the next 6 games then his position looks perilous.

Unfair to parachute someone in at this stage, if a change is made, let it happen in the summer as part of a reset.

Six games to go, six games that will have

Mark Murphy
6 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:35:02
It was called McGettigans, Danny, and definitely the highlight of the evening. It all went downhill from there! In fact even the Chelsea fans in there were friendly (most of them were Irish).
Dave A opined that the last time we got tonked - the 7-0 at Arsenal - most of us couldn’t care less. I took a very different view that night and almost got into a punch up with a well meaning Arsenal fan who unwittingly came across as patronising. Last night I felt the same as then. I hate any Everton defeat but the manner of those two batterings were unforgivable. Those players last night did not give one flying fcuk for us in the stands and they’ve given up. They have joined Onana in going through the motions and were beaten as soon as the first went in.
Regarding people defending Dyche because he can only pick the players he has - he has a squad of current, ex or future internationals at his disposal. A better squad than half the division in my opinion but certainly good enough to avoid shocking hammerings like last night. I was sat on the train home with a group of Evertonian’s who were all fuming at the performance. Then they started naming their preferred line ups for Sunday. With the exception of DCL for Beto, they all selected the same bunch of players that played last night. Me? I’d drop half of them starting with Pickford and including Onana, Beto, Doucoure, Young and Garner. Put em on the bench and show them there’s no free pass!
Re Dyche, I’m off the fence - the sooner he goes the better, and in answer to the inevitable replaced with who questions I’d rather one of Danny’s ridgebacks than Dyche. (Although not that Blackpool fella, Danny - that’s a ridiculous shout with respect mate)
Personally - I think we’re going down. Only a convincing win on Sunday will change my view on that - and does anyone now seriously think this team has a win in it?
Barry Rathbone
7 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:47:17
I stopped hurting in the midst of the Kenwright - Moyes reign when the reality of us as makeweights in the Premier League became unassailable.

We are a bumbling parody of a club of no import beyond our parish — and even that stronghold is diminishing.

Rob Halligan
9 Posted 16/04/2024 at 15:19:04
Danny, Beto was just about onside when he missed that sitter in the first few minutes, but was clearly offside when he did put the ball in the net. I said last night, it sounded crazy, but had he scored that early chance to lead 1-0, then who knows what would have happened? Ok, about 85 minutes is a long time to defend a one goal lead, but it would have been something, and we might seen a bit more fight from the team. However after goals one and two had gone in, that was it, game over.
Andy Crooks
10 Posted 16/04/2024 at 16:23:39
Right, Danny, I see you as a canary in a coalmine Blue. It used to be Jay Wood. When you or Jay ever said the game was up, then, I knew it was up. So, dust yourself down and get the fight going again.
I'm a pretty glass half empty sort of guy so I admire and depend on Blues like you. Respect💙
Steve Mink
11 Posted 16/04/2024 at 16:29:46
Switched off at 3-0, but the pattern seemed clear by then:

- we aren't good enough to play the press against a half-decent side. Had some success with it in the first 10 mins, but then Chelsea just brought more bodies back into midfield and then passed it around us with ease.

- we can't afford the luxury of two sort-of wingers and then Doucoure just running onto stuff.

- This leaves Onana and Garner as two midfielders who get overrun. Got some sympathy for Garner: decent footballer in a bad side.

- missed Gueye as the screen to the back four. Palmer just sat there and made hay.

Joe McMahon
12 Posted 16/04/2024 at 16:35:17
Thanks for the report Danny, as usual it feels if we are sat in the pub with you. One thing that stood out for me last night, apart from Evertons lack of confidence, was the lightning pace of Chelsea's young players. Compare that to the Everton snail pace (like most seasons). They ripped us apart last it, and it was horrible, and they aren't having a good season even. I don't know where we go from here, at all. One change i'd like to see (but it wont happen) is Virgina in goal, and Chermiti to be given a chance. It can't be good for his confideance seeing a limp attack and he sits on a bench.

RE 60's v 80's, as you know I don't like keep looking decades back. But my take is the 80's team would have won the European Cup (but we know what happened), and if they did would have had even more success, the 60's team didn't achieve much in Europe. And yes Sheedy would defo get into anyteam in any post war era. You could see him fitting in the Peps teams and the Gunners with Wenger. Could you imagine Sheedy with Henry & Bergkamp!

Gerard Carey
13 Posted 16/04/2024 at 17:10:54
Hi Danny, I haven't posted in awhile but read through ToffeeWeb a few times every day.
For the first time in a long time, I feel you are really feeling the strain of supporting the Blues.
I think a lot of fans get a gee up from your never say die attitude. You and the tremendous away fans definitely didnt deserve the rubbish ye witnessed last night.
But, as you often say, Lets dust ourselves down and get to next game.
Your an inspiration to many, as you say " Never give up"!!!!.
Dave Abrahams
14 Posted 16/04/2024 at 18:34:56
Another hard day's night for you, Danny, and for all who travelled to a mis-match of a game, all over by the 20th. minute.

Like you, Danny, I was quietly confident all day yesterday we would come away with at least a point, even when I saw the team.

Then the game started and, after an initial decent start, I saw Chelsea going through our midfield like a hot knife through butter and most of our players running through treacle. It was pathetic and not one player showed up and had a real go except Gomes in the second half, and Patterson was an improvement on the right side of the field.

The less said about the game, the tactics and the dozens of mistakes, fouls conceded, passing etc, the better. It will be etched in the memories of many for a long time.

On to Sunday and see which team turns up, players ready to try and make up for last night's pathetic performance or another to match it.

We've got to believe they couldn't be that bad again and come out to try and get those points, that's the very least they could do.

Andrew James
15 Posted 16/04/2024 at 19:03:58
Danny, thanks for this report.

Despite being a former London Toffee, I never went to the Bridge and was warned not to by relatives. They're not as entitled as Spurs nor as deluded but I bet last night was insufferable.

There were some critical of your brand of loyalty last night which was unnecessary I feel. In for a penny, in for a pound sort of thing if you support a club. Especially this club.

I won't make excuses for our club and the way it has been run but I will always hope for the best and that we play some form of entertaining and competitive football in the future. If that means being in the Championship, then so be it. It'll be sad to lose our records to Villa and Arsenal but never mind.

I have no idea who could replace Dyche but we should seek a fresh start when we go down.

You keep being positive as it's a free commodity.

As for the 1970 v 1985 debate... okay, I was born in 78 but surely Sheedy, Bracewell, Big Nev and Gray get into that best eleven? Maybe Tricky Trev too? (There's no way I am putting in Sharp or Heath over Joe Royle as I love that man.)

Danny O’Neill
16 Posted 16/04/2024 at 19:44:24
Tony after you mentioning your lad, it reminded me and I think I mentioned it elsewhere. I looked to my left and there was a kid, no older than 6 stood on his seat, punching the air, urging them on. We were 5-0 down at the time. Poor lad.

Andy, I'm more of a fool. Blue canaries, if they exist are more sensible than me.

Joe, I still almost chant "Sheedy" every time we get a free kick but remember myself!

Dave, it was hard. I think I'm going to need your counselling at the next one because that was a hard pill to swallow.

But we'll be back for more.

Three wins and an appeal. We can do it. It's never been an easy ride, but one we can't give up on.

Danny O’Neill
17 Posted 16/04/2024 at 19:53:43
I'm okay Andrew. I have thick skin and big shoulders.

Andy thank you for your kind comments. When are you next over?

Probably one of the most under mentioned players you mention is Paul Bracewell. Such a shame we didn't see more or him.

I don't like to dwell on the past, but right now it's Everton therapy.

Christine Foster
18 Posted 16/04/2024 at 20:38:07
Danny, that was a sad, painful read, written whilst still in dumb shock, hurting is the word.

It occurred to me when a good friend caught up with me the day of the game (Tuesday am here) and said I was always bad company for a day or so when we lose. I suppose that's true, the collective effect on so many of us is devastating.

Normally, the funk is replaced in 24 hours or so, but every now and again over the years, it brings a horrible emptiness inside. It's the way I feel this morning on waking.

I love being a Blue, it's who I am; I wish I didn't care so much but God help me, I am so thankful I do.

It's what we all do, we grumble, but that's because we care. We demand better, but that's because we love, we stay together because we are family.

There are so many lessons to be learnt after so many wrong turns, we are living the legacy cost of one man and the choices he made.

Many of us may not be around to see the wheel turn, but it will and every single one of us has to help in even the smallest voice of support.

People talk of administration being the answer, but I don't see that; too many players have invested hundreds of millions that would be lost if that were allowed to happen.

We are in a game of brinkmanship. Everyone wants their money back but they all don't want to lose it either. A deal will be made, albeit from an unlikely one but a deal is a deal.

I doubt 777 Partners will own us, just why Moshiri persists may prove to be the most interesting piece of investigative journalism in the years to come, but right now his persistence or preference is killing us, literally.

We may never know the full, true story, I suspect it's far worse than we know, but we will get out of this pit of despair, there are too many of us who love the club as a way of life. It's who we are, a reason to be here.

Stand up, Blues, we have your back,

Andrew James
19 Posted 16/04/2024 at 20:44:35
Danny (and people old enough to remember) what was Bracewell like at his best?

I thought of him as a box-to-box type like when he was with Newcastle a decade later. But he obviously combined very well with Reid etc?

Les Callan
20 Posted 16/04/2024 at 20:58:32
Great player, Andrew.

Career ruined by some lunatic called I think Whitehead from Newcastle? Never the same after that.

Danny O’Neill
21 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:01:06
Christine, we know no different.

Everton for life, no matter what they put us through.

Andrew, from a personal perspective and experience, Bracewell should have been named Gracewell. Such a talented footballer. One of the best I've watched.

He complemented General Reid and had Sheedy and Steven on the sides. My word, what a midfield. Can we get them fit for Sunday?!!!

Had it not been for injury, he would have played for Everton and England more often.

Apologies, this reflection is therapy after the trauma of Chelsea, which I'm still coming to terms with.

Win on Sunday, Everton. You owe us.

Rob Halligan
22 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:02:49

It's very true that fans moan and grumble because we all want better. A very close friend of mine for about 47 years is one of the biggest moaners I know, and I sometimes think does he use a pseudonym to write on here, but he assures me doesn't.

Anyway, last night he took his moaning one step too far, in my opinion, and I completely lost it with him. I won't go into what I said, and we did make up at half-time, but jeez this was moaning at a new level.

I fully understand it's because he wants better, he loves the club, and like me, never misses a game, home or away, with me, him and two others travelling away together. He is a smashing fella, Danny knows him, and would literally do anything for you.

I sometimes think if some of the top notch moaners on here could maybe attend one or two of the TW get togethers, then maybe we could form a different opinion on them? Who knows, maybe Ian Edwards is a top bloke after all!!

Andy Crooks
23 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:04:26
Danny, if there was any crumb of comfort in being relegated, it would be going with Tony to see Adam play for Millwall at Goodison Park. Hopefully that will be down the line at Bramley-Moore Dock when Millwall get promoted!!

I hope to see us play next season in the Premier League at Goodison, when times are better.

Andrew James
24 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:10:00
I am being educated here.

What about Adrian Heath?

Rob Halligan
25 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:14:32
Andrew, have you seen the documentary Howard’s Way? If not, I fully recommend you watch it and you will see plenty of the great players of that wonderful 80’s team in action. They really were a joy to watch.
Danny O’Neill
26 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:26:48
Heath and Sharp were a great partnership Andrew.

Unfortunately cut down by that shit house Marwood.

Andy, see you at the Bramley Moore at the next one. In the Premier League!!

Hope the homeland is fine. Belfast, where Grandfather was born. Portrush where he grew up and my members of family live in Armagh. I spent 3 years of my life in the Province and have close connections. Love the place. My nephew is making his way up into the Northern Ireland team as a goalkeeper. I will be over soon as I've told my sister I will coach him!!

But then I have Speke and Garston!

Andrew James
28 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:39:44
Mr Halligan

My auntie knows you so that means you get an immediate pass from me as a decent Evertonian. And I know you follow them through thick and thin so your opinion is worth a lot.

I know the route Danny takes to see us play as I used to do similar so I can only admire or sympathise. Last night it was the latter.

You two are the lifeblood like so many fans of this great club. We will come back.

Tony Abrahams
29 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:42:03
He’s not getting a game at the minute Andy, and I’m gutted I found out to late, that Morecombe was your second team, because it would have been good taking you to see them play.

The only crumb of comfort that I can see right now regarding relegation is, that after reading the esk’s latest thread, then I’d sooner go this season, rather than next year in Goodison’s final season, because if things don’t change for the better soon, relegation is going to be inevitable further down the line.

Support the team, but highlight to the league that it’s about time they stepped in to help save Everton FC.

I love the standard of teams when it gets to the latter stages of the champions league, but football has gone for me when tackles like that are deemed to be a penalty Rob.

Rob Halligan
30 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:42:41
I’m intrigued Andrew. What’s her name, or at least first name?
Andrew James
31 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:44:59
Rob - my old man always blames you-know-who for that but recent research implies it was Thatcher who was responsible.

It cost a many clubs a lot but we probably were hit hardest especially as Lineker and Howard went.

Mark Taylor
32 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:45:25
When we beat Burnley, there were people saying a win is a win, however bad we played. I wasn't convinced. Yes,3 points were/are vital but when you play that badly, without a semblance of footballing quality, against a truly awful team, and then end up hanging on miserably against their 10 men, that is telling me loudly that you have big problems for future games, notwithstanding 3 points.

So it has turned out. And we have been utterly woeful for months now, easily the least threatening side in the league (other than probably Sheffield U but at least they look like they care).

It's the trajectory that worries me. It's down to us, Luton and probably Forest for the last slot but I really don't fancy our chances anymore. Forest may lose almost as much as us right now but at least they often look like the could score goals and win, they carry a threat. Have we the same heart to battle as Luton do? Mmm, not sure about that...

Danny O’Neill
33 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:51:58
Rob @31, you have now triggered me twice.

We were punished for something we didn't do.

And I am totally convinced that team would have been champions of Europe. They were that good.

They call us bitter, but it is with reason.

Your mates are great and honest.. They educate me!

Rob Halligan
34 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:54:40
Andrew, we also lost Gary Stevens and Trevor Steven, who both went to Glasgow Rangers, purely in search European football.

I was at a legends evening last Tuesday, where Peter Reid, Kevin Sheedy Kevin Ratcliffe recalled some of the wonderful memories of that 80s team. They were all unanimous in their minds that we would have won the European Cup in 1986.

They felt that the team was invincible and could and would have gone on to greater things.

Andrew James
35 Posted 16/04/2024 at 22:01:10


Tony Abrahams
36 Posted 16/04/2024 at 22:06:13
I was delighted because I thought getting the 3 points would do wonders for the squad's fragile confidence, Mark, but looking at us last night then it does look like the squad is in a massive rut.

Some will say it's been created by Dyche whilst others will blame the pressure of the points deductions but, either way, the only thing that is going to help the team is having the crowd behind them on Sunday.

The crowd aren't stupid and most people realize this but, with confidence very low, it's sometimes hard to contain your exasperation.

Andrew James
37 Posted 16/04/2024 at 22:24:06

The biggest mistake was Benitez. Subsequently we've been relegation fodder.

And that is down to you know who...

Danny O’Neill
38 Posted 16/04/2024 at 22:27:29
The team were devoid of confidence, Tony, and over-run by a very confident Chelsea team.

Rob, as I say to family, I'll never forgive them. We would have dominated Europe but were denied.

Paul Birmingham
39 Posted 16/04/2024 at 22:43:12
Bloody painful and arguably the worst display by any Everton Team in donkies years.

That was bad and God forbid, what could happen v Arsenal, the last day of this season.

Hence yesterday is gone, and the Forest game must be a Crusade to victory on and off the park.

It's not Mission Impossible, but to beat Forest is doable, if the squad gets their belief back.

Hopefully the reset button has been pressed and Everton start fresh on Sunday, with clear minds and intent to win the game.

Likely a few special prayers and Nirvanas needed these next few days.

Robin Emmerson
40 Posted 16/04/2024 at 23:17:07
All it needs is pride, character and guts. With all respect, the other teams around us are bang average on a good day - how many of Luton's squad would you take?

The great Joe DiMaggio said: "I always played my heart out as if there was at least one person in the stands who had never seen me play and I didn't want to let them down."

For fuck's sake roll your sleeves up, show some character and get out there and earn that King's ransom you trouser every week.

With regard to the 60s/80s debate: The 60s team was a Rolls Royce with Doc Martens on!

Nev would get in along with "Psycho" at left-back and Sheeds on the left. Sharpy up front with Big Joe. The midfield's a lock up with the Holy Trinity for me even though I loved the 80s midfield lads.

Also I agree with the amber second kit as opposed to the curtain material they were wearing last night.

Onwards to Sunday and let's pull this shower over the line again. Keep the Faith and UTFT!

Derek Thomas
41 Posted 16/04/2024 at 23:22:22
Danny and others; I saw both the 69-70 & 84-85 teams ( and the 62-63 for that matter) and in racing terms - its a deadheat...with 62-63 3rd by a head

So we have change the racing metaphor to snooker.

I score it over 41 frames...21-20 to 1985

Why? I hear nobody ask. Well for me, as well as being different eras, they had slightly different styles.

Again in snooker terms, 69-70 would score more 100+ breaks but 84-85 would win more of the close 59 - 56 black ball frames - they just shade it for me due to the fact that Yes, they could play a bit, but they hated to lose just that little bit more.

But - If somebody gave me one and one only, free go in a DeLorean I would set it to 68 - 69 and re-watch the next two seasons again.

Some of the one touch stuff played back then is the more than the equal of Anything the modern City under Pep have turned out...It was truly School of Science.

Tony Abrahams
42 Posted 17/04/2024 at 08:27:47
So it was Benitez's fault that, after a decent start, he lost the spine of his team to injury after being given £2.5 million to spend?

The only other manager who wasn't given any money is Dyche, and some people are also blaming him now because his team are devoid of confidence and seem to have run out of ideas even though he inherited a squad that simply lacks creative craft.

Blaming someone doesn't stop problems, realising your mistakes and taking responsibility for them is the only thing that does this. But all we have had at Everton is people on ridiculous wages staying put until their contract ends or they are sacked with a huge payoff – and this has been going on for years now.

The only chance Everton have is if someone can buy the club – then rip it up and start again. (Even Siri knows this judging by how quickly I wrote that last sentence!)

Danny O’Neill
43 Posted 17/04/2024 at 08:30:53
Thanks, Derek. I love hearing from those who experienced thse teams before my time. 1976 on for me.

That is a fascinating comparison to Pep's Man City, who for me are by far the best team in the current league.

Robin, as well as a statue at the new stadium, we possibly need a name for that 80s midfield quartet.

I can't think of one right now, but will have a think.

Danny O’Neill
44 Posted 17/04/2024 at 08:40:02
I think I'm calming now, Tony.

I didn't want Benitez but came around to giving it a go.

Dyche wouldn't have been my choice, but then who else? I can't think of any manager looking at Everton taking the opportunity right now. If you can call it an opportunity.

I get frustrated with tactics, but I've given up blaming managers. It's more deep-rooted than that.

The players must be struggling with what is going on around them. Many got animated at Chelsea. I didn't boo them. I just stood there, arms folded and watched them off the pitch. I never leave until they are all down the tunnel.

Dave Cashen
45 Posted 17/04/2024 at 08:53:28
Of course you are hurting, Danny. You support this club with your heart and soul.

Unfortunately the owners, the coaches and the players are not giving you and the tens of thousands of others like you, any encouragement at all.

Chin up, mate. You and all the other crazies will be needed again on Sunday. It's looking like the jockey may have to carry the horse over the line for the 3rd year in a row.

Brian Harrison
46 Posted 17/04/2024 at 10:29:35
The reason that we are in such a mess is, since Moshiri took over, his managerial appointments have been in the main disastrous. The only decent manager he hired was Carlo Ancelotti who walked out and went on to win another Champions League trophy as well as another Spanish league trophy.

Yet there were fans on here actually questioning his tactics; he realized very quickly a low block and hit teams on the break was the only way to move this club forward. So much so, he had this dysfunctional club 2nd in the league on Boxing Day.

Sadly because of Covid, we didn't get to see James Rodriguez live. But he made Calvert-Lewin into a back-up striker for England and realized he had limited ability so told him to stay in the box, don't run the channels, and when the ball was delivered, head it or shoot don't take a touch.

Moshiri's first appointment was Koeman, very little experience except getting Southampton to mid-table, and he looked at managing Everton as a stepping stone, no more no less.

Then we had Silva who was okay but never a manager to get us into the Top 6. Allardyce and Dyche very similar in their method of play, with little or no excitement watching their teams play.

Lampard had failed to get Derby promoted despite having money and access to Chelsea youngsters. I remember saying we need to remove him before the World Cup; we didn't and it nearly cost us our Premier League status.

I look back and think I was actually on my feet cheering when under Lampard we stayed up by coming from 2 down to beat Palace. In hindsight, that shows how far we have fallen: I was celebrating staying up – ambition? What ambition.

Now I accept changing managers as often as we do doesn't lead to any stability but, if your appointments are as bad as ours, then it's inevitable that they will fail and changes have to be made.

With so few games left, changing Dyche isn't an option… but, whatever happens, he can't be our manager next season.

But, for those who say nobody could do better than Dyche, I suggest you look at Gary O'Neill or Riola, O'Neill took over Wolves a day before the season started.

Dave Abrahams
47 Posted 17/04/2024 at 11:19:56
Derek @41,

I loved that last paragraph, but the 1962-63 team third by a head? I know it's only opinions but gerra out of here! I'm not having that, mate!

John Keating
48 Posted 17/04/2024 at 12:04:29
1963 team for me. Class everywhere.
Dave Carruthers
49 Posted 17/04/2024 at 12:56:39
Just got myself round to reading the various articles on TW. They are all a very hard read.

I'm generally optimistic and have never thought we would get relegated (even after 20 minutess of the Wimbledon game in ‘94). I still have the belief that we will sneak 7 points from the last 6 games and, as long as we don't lose to Forest or Luton, then we will stay ahead of them.

My admiration for Danny, Rob et al knows no end. I live in South Africa and always get back for a game or two (I left in ‘97 and only missed the Covid year) but that performance on Monday almost had me in despair.

My comments would be: I can never believe players choose to coast through a game but I'm convinced one or two on Monday chose to do that. They must not be chosen on Sunday.

The team structure continues to confuse me. I do think Young tries and is doing his best but he is completely ineffectual in that right-side midfield role. It gave Chelsea a freedom they should never have had and puts too much pressure on the middle two.

When McNeil and Doucoure are out of sorts, it is no wonder that the defence was put under so much pressure. Our lack of pace is alarming and wonder if Danjuma can become this season's Whittle or Campbell?

Finally, Gomes must start. I never thought I would say this 12 months ago but he is the one who can bring some creativity and presence to central midfield. The only one who looks to pick a pass.

A fit Gueye behind him to protect what could be a very weakened defence is possibly our get-out, together with a fit and firing Dom. Fingers crossed…

To the debate on our best ever team, which is a current welcome distraction. My first game was March ‘65 so I can't really comment on class of ‘63. I always go with the late '60s team, I suspect because it's through romantic schoolboy eyes. Both were outstanding.

I am on Derek's side that the 1968-69 team played the best football of any Everton side I have seen.

Here is my go at a joint team (just for fun), understanding that the first three names on the team sheet would always be the Holy Trinity:

Southall, Stephens, Ratcliffe, Labone, Van den Hawe (assuming Wilson had left in ‘68); Kendall, Ball, Harvey, Sheedy; Royle, Sharp.

So 4-4-2, but I would worry that Royle and Sharp were too samey (the striking alternatives would be the likes of Husband, Whittle, Gray – though in modern parlance could be five in midfield with Steven taking Sharp's place and he and the likes of Ball and Sheedy playing further forward).

On the basis he was bought in 1985, I could cheat and put in Lineker?! So ironically, it's a 6-5 win for the ‘85 players though I do think Wright and Stephens could play each half and make it a score draw!!

It is hard to miss out the likes of Reid and Bracewell. I suspect birthdates will gauge the balance of the team, not least if didn't see the earlier one.

My final comment is to thank Christine for always posting such well-written, well thought-out and objective commentary. I know how hard it is to be far away in this time of need.

I hope all there on Sunday have the patience and passion to provide the support that has pulled us through over the past 2 years.

[Apologies for the long post but it becomes very therapeutic!!]

Dave Abrahams
50 Posted 17/04/2024 at 13:24:04
Dave (49),

A post can never be too long if it is interesting and yours was very interesting and good.

Smart of you to do a mixture of all the different eras of the successful Everton winning teams, it should add to the debate.

In my '60s team only goalkeeper, left-back, left-half and right-winger is up for debate.

Ray Wilson could come into it, but no cheating allowed so itss Pat van den Hawe there. Tony Kay came into the '60s team so that removes any argument, and Southall in goal can't be argued against. Steven gets the Number 7 spot.

I'd like to cheat by putting Bobby Collins in there, so I'd like to put Dennis Stevens in there but how could I with Alan Ball there? Joe Role is a nap for striker.

Sharp was good but not good enough to replace Roy Vernon and I can't pick Tommy Ring so Johnny Morrissey stays there, sentiment leaves Jimmy Gabriel at right-half; otherwise, it's Howard Kendall.

Leaving my team as: Southall, Parker, Van den Hauwe, Kendall, Labone, Kay, Steven, Ball, Royle, Vernon and Morrissey.

With condolences to many great players especially Colin Harvey who never made the cut in my old “W“ formation.

To add to the debate, Harry Catterick would be my manager.

Dave Carruthers
51 Posted 17/04/2024 at 13:55:13
Thanks for the kind comments, Dave.

I was basically comparing the two seasons but see what you have done there! I never saw Stephens, Kay or Vernon though I wish I had seen Kay – all who did say he was a different class.

I'm surprised Alex Young doesn't get into your team. I saw him but he was past his best. Interesting you include Morrissey. A critical but underrated cog in that 1969-70 team.

You have three at the back and no Ratcliffe?

Maybe Howie is player manager!!

Chris Williams
52 Posted 17/04/2024 at 13:55:21

On a technicality, Ray Wilson made 9 appearances in the 68-69 season. So you could include him if you want.

Andrew Clare
53 Posted 17/04/2024 at 14:03:51
It's the 1970 Champions for me. I went to most of the games home and away. Standing on the Street End never doubting that we would be Champions.

The 1963 team were pure class and the 1980s team were invincible but the team of the Holy Trinity were numero uno.

Dave Abrahams
54 Posted 17/04/2024 at 14:41:29
Dave (51). Your post deserved praise.

As for the formation of the team, I realise you wouldn’t know about “ W” formation of 2 3 5 which consisted of two full backs, three half backs and five up front line out which were two wingers, a striker, a scheming inside forward ( Ball) and a complimentary striker ( Vernon) which when looked at as the team lined up to start the game formed a “ W” formation, and Van den Hawe was the left back.

As for Alex Young not getting in the team I was picking that team through Harry Catterick’s eyes, as the manager, although I think Harry would have had a hard time leaving Colin Harvey out and to keep Danny happy he might have selected Kevin Sheedy if he had been in his squad!

Couldn’t leave Morrissey out, fight, bite, plenty of skill and loads of centres planted on Joe Royle’s head.

Howard Kendall as player manager? Now why didn’t I think of that? You know what Dave you always learn something on ToffeeWeb!

Dave Abrahams
55 Posted 17/04/2024 at 14:45:48
Chris (52), Well Chris he might have got in if he had played those games the following season and I could have sneaked him in, when no- one was looking and he would have been in on merit, a class act.
Mark Murphy
56 Posted 17/04/2024 at 15:02:32
Dave, I used to play for my youth club side in that formation in the late sixties early seventies.
I was left half back and captain or sometimes inside left.
I wonder how teams would get on these days with that formation?
Chris Williams
57 Posted 17/04/2024 at 15:11:25
Ah well Dave, I tried.

I’d also have Kay in over Kendall any day of the week. I reckon he was one of the main reasons we won the League 62/63.

After that bloody awful freeze, we slogged through at least 2 games a week, for weeks on end, on pitches that had been under ice for about 3 months. I think Kay, Gabriel, Stevens and Morrisey dragged us over the line. Carrying a few knocks I’ll bet.

Alex and Roy got the plaudits, and no problems with that, but that engine room deserved a lot of credit.

Dave Abrahams
58 Posted 17/04/2024 at 15:34:13
Mark (56) I think that sort of line up might hold it’s own with todays teams and it would be unique because it’s an all British team even though Pat the man would be a bit of a mongrel.

In fact if I put John Hurst in for Roy Vernon it might be stronger, we would lose Roy’s goals but be stronger in defence and Hurst scored a few.

With Ball up and down and all over the field, Morrissey defending and attacking like did, Kendall still supplying Steven down the right while defending and organising the whole midfield I doubt we would have any problems except for Alan Ball fighting for the captains armband off Brian Labone and getting knocked back, then Tony Kay stepping in and picking up the armband!

Dave Abrahams
59 Posted 17/04/2024 at 15:44:10
Chris ( 57) Yes Chris I was always happy to see those four players in the team, Gabriel, Stevens, Kay and Morrissey, especially when we played away from home with the last three signed by Catterick to add some tough steel to the class we already had and Jimmy was already there having been signed by Johnnie Carey if I’m not mistaken.
Danny O’Neill
60 Posted 17/04/2024 at 16:00:01
Great reading from wise Evertonians.

I'm too young to have watched Colin Harvey, Alex Young, Labone and Alan Ball and I am intrigued by Kay. Apparently he would have been in the England 66 team. I did watch Kendall as a substitute when he was player manager in the early 80s. He still had it.

I can only go off the education I received from my family for that generation of players.

Chris Williams
61 Posted 17/04/2024 at 16:41:16
Dave, absolutely,

Gabriel was one of Carey’s first signings in 1960, still a teenager, and properly hard. After Ring, Vernon, Lill. With Collins and Vernon clicking.

Gabriel picked his victims up off the floor, after he’d flattened them, when he first arrived. He soon stopped that. To avoid RSI probably

That was a time.

Kay would’ve been nailed on for England, and the World Cup. 50 caps minimum. Providing Alf liked him. A real all rounder.

He was better than Stiles, better than Peters, in their roles, and as good as Moores in his.

He was that good, Danny.

Dave Carruthers
62 Posted 17/04/2024 at 16:52:21
Tx for the feedback to my original post. See what you did with the W formation Dave and would be fascinating to see how that might work these days. You watch the inverted full backs and wonder if its simply taking us back to the old formations!!
Looking at the latest comments does make me realise how lucky us “oldies” were to watch that Everton 67-71 side, coincidentally when Alan Ball was at his peak. Still the best player to pull on a blue shirt that I have seen. He and Kay would have been sensational.
For such a committed Blue Danny, you would truly have loved that team. Sheeds would have been a great back up for the holy trinity😏😏😏
Dave Abrahams
63 Posted 17/04/2024 at 17:07:19
Chris (61), Yes Jimmy was still a teenager and a big price paid for him I doubt if many of us Blues had heard of him before he signed for us.

I remember one of his first games for us, I came out of Cammel Lairds one Saturday afternoon, got the Echo and looked in the “ Stop Press Column “ we were winning 2-1 in the half time scores, that will do me I thought as a young twenty year old.

When I got home I found out we’d got battered 6-2, I think Derek Kevin scored four, maybe five of those goals, Jimmy was marking him!

He went on to more than prove he was an excellent signing.

Tony Kay, Ah what might have been, a thorough professional, never drank, had a bet, a very stupid bet and put his hand up and admitted it, today he would have had an agent who would have sorted all this out without any bother, too late now but a certain great career destroyed through stupidity.

John Downey
64 Posted 17/04/2024 at 17:30:50
Just thinking where our current goalkeeper would rank against our previous keepers. Despite his 50 caps, I think it would be between Pickford and George Wood for fifth place. My choice would be 1Neville, 2 Gordon West, 3 Tim Howard, despite his last couple of years, 4 Nigel Martyn
Dave Abrahams
65 Posted 17/04/2024 at 17:39:29
John (64) Mine would be 1- Southall 2- Ted Sagar from long ago, 3 Nigel Martyn - 4 Gordon West 5- George Wood 6- Jimmy O Neill fifties and sixties.
Iain Johnston
66 Posted 17/04/2024 at 18:18:02
John @64. Historically I'd put Jim Arnold & Bobby Mimms ahead of Pickford... I'd even put Mucha, Robles & Virginia ahead of Pickford.

Sorry lads for me the time of clutching at straws & looking at my crystal ball to see where, if anywhere, the magical 6 or 7 points will come from is over.

It'll be more of the same next season. More Elastoplast covering the leaking festering wounds of our once great club.

We have no money, we'll continue to have no money. The likes of Branthwaite & Onana will be sold to clear debt & we'll get no one to replace them. We'll be lumbered with Beto & Chermiti until their contracts are up.

I'm torn... should we stay or should we go?

Relegation means clearing the decks of all the money grabbing mercenaries, they'll run for the hills - ICU. Rebuild with honest professionals working hard for the team as much as themselves - HDU. Finally regaining our place in the top tier - Discharge.

I've got to the point now where I'm not convinced that staying in the EPL no matter what is the best course if performances similar to Monday night become increasingly regular.

We're so far back in terms professionalism & player performance that even a safe mid table position seems unlikely any time in our future.

We have lazy, demotivated 1st team players & our youngsters are being ground to dust endlessly waiting for a chance to show enthusiam allied with growing skill together with a fearless atttiude.

Would they grow & thrive in the EFL? I think they would.

Danny O’Neill
67 Posted 17/04/2024 at 18:18:10
Has to be Neville. Get him back involved with the club, although being the character he is, I imagine he wouldn't get involved with the current set up.

He could tell our players what it means to play for Everton.

I have a photo of me meeting George Wood outside the players entrance on Goodison Road.

Nigel Martyn. Fantastic when he was with us, but the one we let slip away in his prime.

John Downey
68 Posted 17/04/2024 at 18:18:31
Hi Dave, I should have said the keepers I seen play live. My first game was in 1968, beating Leicester 7 -1, I was fortunate enough to see most of home games in 1969/70, but was to young to realise how good that team really was. I had great memories of 1970’s, home and away, what would we give to have a midfielder like Martin Dobson, and a winger like Dave Thomas in the current team.
Danny O’Neill
69 Posted 17/04/2024 at 18:42:42
Dave C @62, grew up on stories of teams of that era. I to wait for my time.

Iain, I liked Bobby Mimms. He was decent backup.

Not his fault, but I still think Neville's injury was a contributing factor that led to us losing the League title in 1986.

Andy Crooks
70 Posted 17/04/2024 at 18:58:40
I don't think that Pickford, who I like and admire, is in the top five of Everton Goalkeepers. He is, however, typical of the modern Goalkeeper and the best in that context.
As far as goalkeepers in the old first division and premier league go, I wouldn't rate him in the top hundred.
I know there are posters on here, posters whose views I respect, who think that a dinosaur view. They will argue that the goalkeepers job is entirely different. Nonsense, in my view. There were goalkeepers in the sixties and seventies whose distribution was superb and who could have adjusted to the modern game easily.
Those goalkeepers would have been embarrassed at the way soft shots are parried and how today's keepers are rooted to the goal line in spineless inaction

Paul Ferry
71 Posted 17/04/2024 at 19:14:41
It would cost £150,000 to give each one of the 3,000 £50 “compensation” for their dedication, loyalty, commitment, trouble, time, and embarrassment.

McNeil, Onana, and Harrison could cover that in their weekly not monthly wage.

There’s a picture I treasure of Ray Wilson in the garden of his perfectly ordinary home getting a lawn mower started with his wife and kids look on. I remember Derek Temple less than ten years after the final turning up on my mate’s door in Thornton trying to sell double glazing.

There never are golden ages: that’s just romantic hindsight made more pungent in bad times. Never because there is always something or someone going on to the contrary.

Ray Wilson and Derek Temple would have felt for the 3,000 and identified with them. Rob Halligan told me that only two Everton players went to the fans after the final whistle on Monday: Mylolenko was one, I’ve forgotten who the other one was.

Pick any three players who disgraced us on Monday night – Gomes excepting – and they could more or less club together to get that £150,000. The three golf balls on the sidelines could cough up the £150,000, not least because they shoulder most of the blame.

It’s often invidious to pick one of them out because the toughest competition at our club right now is to be the shittiest player or coach. Sorry, but Onana represents to me all that is wrong at the moment: he doesn’t seem to care or to put in the required effort and energy, he was all smiles on the touchline in one shot in the second half, he’s paid a salary way in excess of his ability, and did we see him doing his usual dance in front of the fans after the final whistle?

Dyche said in his post-match presser that they would pay back the fans. He wasn’t talking money, he meant on the pitch. We need a different story, he said. We move on.

I don’t think that any of the Stamford Bridge 3,000 should be holding their breath.

What have we become?

Danny O’Neill
72 Posted 17/04/2024 at 19:16:59
He stays inside the six yard box too much Andy.

Great shot stopper, but doesn't command his box.

He had a poor game Monday, but so did most of the team.

Best they pay us back on Sunday.

Dave Abrahams
73 Posted 17/04/2024 at 20:04:11
Paul (71) Yes quite good proportion of players from the sixties right up to the start of the Sky TV era of football would have identified with the 3000 fans the other night.

Not going off the subject but I saw the Amy Winehouse film about her life and career last Saturday night, she never wanted fame or fortune but she was in communion with her fans on and off the stage, even getting off the stage and going right down to the front of the crowd and singing and dancing with them and they were doing the same back to her appreciating each other and very happy together.

Flashback to Monday night, players (?) getting brewsters every week for playing the game they should enjoy, some of them couldn’t get off the field fast enough, one of them, to me, was happy to be substituted.

I understand fans on here getting fed up listening to stories of the past, yes it could get on your nerves but believe me those players we refer to were more than happy to be paid twice as much as the working man and thought themselves lucky to be paid for playing the game they truly loved.

Robert Tressell
74 Posted 17/04/2024 at 20:10:13
Some interesting comments.

Andy # 70, Pickford is, as you say, a very modern type of goalkeeper. I only really go back as far as the early 90s for my goalkeepers - the likes of Schmeichel and Buffon and Kahn being amongst the best of that era. They'd all be fine now, albeit less useful to a side like City than Ederson is (despite being much better at certain aspects of the game).

Brian # 46, I find it difficult to get my head around your position. For me, the clear and obvious failing of the Moshiri era is not the selection of managers (albeit not great - especially Koeman), it's the absolutely idiot approach to recruitment in the period 2017 to 2020.

This is the period where we spent the proceeds of the Lukaku sale, along with additional outlay from Moshiri. The recruitment was so poor that the money had dried up by summer 2021 and since then the club has behaved financially as though we have been relegated. Financially, we haven't competed as a Premier League club for around 3 years now.

Koeman, Allardyce, Silva and Ancelotti take some of the responsibility for the recruitment, as do Walsh and Brands, but at well run clubs the recruitment strategy is really determined by the club management.

Brentford and Brighton have now assembled better squads than us after owners Bloom and Bentham both deployed recruitment strategies based on data analytics to source players learned together at Premier Bet. None of the recruitment is down to the managers.

I've said it many times of this site; we are no longer in an era where you just wait your turn for a good manager to turn up. That's not what turns football clubs around. What turns football clubs around is a strategy to feed whoever the manager / coach happens to be with quality players.

Iain Johnston
75 Posted 17/04/2024 at 20:31:39
Danny, totally agree regarding '86.
Danny O’Neill
76 Posted 17/04/2024 at 20:52:38
Iain, we threw the double away.

Robert, would you not included Manuel Neuer on the list? I would. World class.

Dave Abrahams
77 Posted 17/04/2024 at 20:59:01
John (68) Fair enough John, you picked a good game for your first Everton match, two English international goalkeepers between the sticks West and Shilton with Joe Royle getting a hat trick
Robert Tressell
78 Posted 17/04/2024 at 21:11:15
I would Danny, yes. But Neuer is not a 1990s goalkeeper. He's the archetypal modern goalkeeper - possibly the best overall since the introduction of the back-pass rule.
Ray Roche
79 Posted 17/04/2024 at 21:11:26
Danny the main factor in the RS pipping us to the title by two points was their winning 13 of their last 14 games. Mimms wasn’t to blame in any way.
Danny O’Neill
80 Posted 17/04/2024 at 21:31:44
I'll agree with that to a degree Ray, but it was in our hands and we threw it away.

Yes they had a great run in, but all we had to do was win our games.

Paul Ferry
81 Posted 17/04/2024 at 21:42:56
Spot on Ray. Mimms was not to blame. I'm not saying that losing Southall was not horribly impactful but Mimms did little wrong.

I remember, my first time on the kop, 22 February 1986, but there was a lot of us, on the main stand side, and just KNOWING that we had won the league when the final whistle went.

We played our best footy in Howard's Way in 1985-86. Lineker was immense.

Ray Roche
82 Posted 17/04/2024 at 22:00:04
Danny, yes, we threw it away with a loss at Oxford and a draw at Forest (?) but you can’t take it away from the other shower, their results in the run in were exceptional.
Ray Roche
83 Posted 17/04/2024 at 22:17:11
Actually, Danny, for the 9 League games Mimms played I think it was W6 D2 L1, F14 A3

Southall: W6 D2 L1, F21 A10

I think that's right.

Derek Thomas
84 Posted 17/04/2024 at 22:50:40
Ray @ 86; It could be argued... and I will, that the League was 'lost' very early in the campaign.

The early 3-2 derby loss, when it appeared to me that Kendall was still trying to put together the most effective 11 to include the newly arrived Lineker.

Even the 'standard' draw in a derby takes 2 points off Liverpool and adds 1 point to the final totals

All the rest, bounce of the ball, injuries etc, can and probably would've played out as it did.

1st; Liverpool 88 - 2 = 86 points

2nd; Everton 86 + 1 = 87 points!!

Derek Thomas
85 Posted 17/04/2024 at 23:06:55
John Downey @ 68;

You don't have roots in Hough Green do you?

Ray Roche
86 Posted 18/04/2024 at 19:52:10
Derek @84,

Yes, Derek, you and I can both be wise after the event (and we are😁) but I always feel obliged to point out that Mimms wasn't the reason why we didn't end up Champions. Indeed, our goals against were lower with him in goal for the nine League games when he played.

And, please, don't anyone come on and accuse me of saying he was better than Neville. There are numerous reasons why we didn't end up top of the League but Mimms isn't one of them.

Danny O’Neill
87 Posted 18/04/2024 at 20:02:22
I liked Mimms, just as I do Virgina now, Ray.

It's not so much on Mimms, it was more that we missed Neville's presence.

Onto Sunday and get to 30 points before we get those 2 back and win more on the way.

Stephen Vincent
88 Posted 19/04/2024 at 13:14:27
Dave #65, you omitted Albert Dunlop, I always thought that he was very unlucky to be replaced by Westy but Catterick was putting his stamp on the team.

Albert played well over 200 games for us and I think I'm right in saying that his final game was the night we beat Fulham at Goodison to win the 1962/63 championship.

Chris Williams
89 Posted 19/04/2024 at 13:33:33

It will be interesting to see Dave A’s response to you about Albert Dunlop, mate.

I’ll leave it to him I think

Les Callan
90 Posted 19/04/2024 at 14:23:37
Anyone else remember the penalty that Dunlop saved I think against West Ham, without moving. Might have been John Bond who smashed the ball right at Dunlop and stuck between his legs. Albert didn’t know a thing.
Dave Abrahams
91 Posted 19/04/2024 at 15:04:39
Stephen (88), Albert Dunlop well worth a mention Stephen, he played in the 5-2 win v Man. Unt. at Old Trafford, it might have been his debut.

Small for a goalkeeper nevertheless a good brave goalkeeper, he definitely played in that game v Fulham, afternoon by the way Stephen, when we clinched the title, not sure if he played in the last three or four games that season because West was injured, Derek Temple also played the last few games on the wing that year.

Harry Catterick paid a good fee for Gordon West then a young keeper with Blackpool so he must have thought he was ready to take over from Albert.

Dunlop later blotted his copybook with Everton and the fans with his story in The Sunday People about Everton players taking drugs ( Purple Hearts I think ) during that title winning season and that didn’t go down to well. He also got himself into some trouble with his gambling debts near the end of his Everton career, but now I’ve took my shawl off after that bit of gossip he certainly never let Everton down when he played for the team. He was also the wicket keeper for Everton when they played the annual cricket game pre season with Bootle.
I don’t remember were he went to after Everton but I’m surprised I never remembered him the other day when I did my list of goalkeepers, thanks Stephen and that pushes Calamity another place back on my list!

Stephen Vincent
92 Posted 19/04/2024 at 15:05:13
Chris #89, I'm guessing that Dave will go into one about Albert selling a story to a Sunday newspaper about alleged use of amphetamines during the run in for the '63 title.

It was all based on the fact that it had been a horrendous winter and match cancellations had resulted in a huge fixture pile up. I could be wrong but towards the end of the season didn't we play 4 games in 8 days including 2 games against Birmingham on consecutive days. Albert said that we could never have done it without Catterick's little purple pills.

Dave Abrahams
93 Posted 19/04/2024 at 15:10:35
Stephen (92) And there you go Stephen with the Purple Hearts story we were both wearing shawls at the same time, you can’t beat a good piece of gossip mate!
Stephen Vincent
94 Posted 19/04/2024 at 15:13:01
Chris, Told you!!!!

Dave, I thought he went to Rhyl as player manager. Could be wrong.

Les Callan
95 Posted 19/04/2024 at 15:22:52
According to wikipaedia, he went to Wrexham then Rhyl.
Chris Williams
96 Posted 19/04/2024 at 15:23:27
Stephen and Dave,

I remember years ago, on this very forum, Jimmy Gabriel came on from USA to call Albert out for his behaviour.

I’ve an idea that he got involved with some dodgy dealings in the city later on, reported in the Echo, when it still pretended to be a proper newspaper. He died pretty young too I think.

He was certainly mentioned as a possible England pick at one stage, I recall. Very agile and not so big, but in those days plenty of England goalies were, like Ron Springett Eddie Hopkinson, and Alan Hodgkinson.

Mind you the average height for a bloke was about 5’8 in those days.

Dave Abrahams
97 Posted 19/04/2024 at 15:26:27
Stephen (94)), I’m not sure were Albert went after leaving Everton, forgot to mention ( Shawl back on but not really gossip) one of his biggest fans was his mother, she was at Goodison for plenty of his games there, same as John Higgins the former Bolton defender, he was Mark Higgins’s dad.
Chris Williams
98 Posted 19/04/2024 at 17:44:44
Stephen and Dave,

I checked out the enquiry facility on this website. There is something from Tony Kay on this subject.

A Letter From Tony Kay – You'll see his opinion. He's not shy!

Not a peep from him since about 1965, and then this.

Stephen Vincent
99 Posted 19/04/2024 at 22:05:02
Thanks Chris, he certainly didn't hold back did he? Notice Mr Abrahams Snr prominent in the chat.

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