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FC Stade Nyonnais 1 - 2 Everton

Everton took on Swiss second-tier side Stade Nyonnais at the Centre Sportif De Colovray in their first pre-season friendly as their week at the training camp on the shores of Lake Geneva winds up. 

There were some chances for both sides in the first half but no goals.

Under-21 player Katia Kouyate, 19, opened the scoring after coming on as a half-time sub and he finished superbly off a good pass from Iwobi, hammering the ball into the roof of the net from a decent angle. 

Francis Okoronkwo was fouled on a pass from Iwobi for a penalty that was slotted in by Neal Maupay who was then substituted, with Cannon and McNeil returning to the field along with Ryan Astley, Reece Welch and Billy Creillin replacing Virginia in goal.

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Near the end, Crellin was beaten by a superb first-time volley after Hunt failed to clear the ball. And that's how it ended with a win for Everton.

Everton: Virginia (72' Crellin), Godfrey (72' Astley), Tarkowski (46' Doucoure), Keane (72' Welch), Patterson (46' Hunt), Iwobi (72' McNeil), Gana (46' Kouyate), Warrington, McNeil (46' Onyango), Maupay (72' Cannon), Cannon (46' Okoronkwo).

Subs not Used: Lonergan.


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Mike Corcoran
1 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:04:23
Match is on YouTube.

I’ve got some foreign ESPN link.

Jeff Armstrong
2 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:05:49
Yes Dave 87, but as usual, impossible to log in and watch.
Barry Hesketh
3 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:06:34

The game is supposed to be available to Season Ticket holders, however, you can't sign in to the Everton site, so is this a scam to get us to pay for a £8.99 subscription fee to watch the game?

Honestly every time they're supposed to stream the games live, they tend to make a pig's ear of it.

Phil Greenough
4 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:06:35
YouTube link:


Dave Abrahams
5 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:07:58
Mike, the one on tube, they’re bleedin’ robots aren’t they, the match started and 5 minutes later they were kicking the other way, I know it’s a friendly but 5 minutes each way?
Barry Hesketh
6 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:09:49

You wag that was a computer-generated match that you linked us to, and we conceded a goal – much to the delight of an AI Jim Beglin!

Julian Exshaw
7 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:11:34
Cannon missed a good chance. Tarks getting done for pace!
Soren Moyer
8 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:32:10
With Foreign commentary:


Julian Exshaw
9 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:38:53
We need a striker!! Just to state the obvious...

Iwobi and McNeil the best so far.

Robert Leigh
10 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:46:16
Anyone know why there’s no sponsor? Kit looks better without it!!
Bill Griffiths
11 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:48:50
Think no betting or alcohol advertising allowed on shirts in France or Switzerland.
Julian Exshaw
12 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:49:58
HT. The game's not matching the fabulous setting unfortunately. Still lacking in CM and upfront.

Cannon had 2 good chances but missed them. Iwobi and McNeil were okay.

Jay Harris
13 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:52:17
I can't even login to Everton FC – keeps bouncing me out.

Typical Everton, every bloody season.

Paul Evans
14 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:52:32
Not seen Onana on the training videos last couple of days, and not in squad tonight. Any ideas anyone?
Steve Shave
15 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:54:03
Onana has a small injury Paul.
Don Wright
16 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:56:35
Same here, Jay.


Paul Evans
17 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:57:16
Cheers Steve. Glad it’s a good reason and he’s not on a plane heading for talks somewhere….
Bill Gall
18 Posted 14/07/2023 at 17:59:09
I don't think Everton want any support from abroad been trying to renew my international membership with no luck, keep asking for a promotional code but don't tell you were to find it.

Anyone having any luck?

Terry McLavey
19 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:03:03
Is any non-league club interested in Maupay?

lt's about his level, how did he become a professional player?


Julian Exshaw
20 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:08:52
Warrington has gone to right-back... Doucouré is on.

Iwobi looks the most likely.

Soren Moyer
21 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:09:10
Terry, maybe a non-league outfit in Saudi Arabia!

What a waste of £15M.

David West
22 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:11:04
Definitely rusty which is to be expected. Iwobi should be central. Never a winger and we could use his technique in the middle. Maupay is a passenger he should look decent against these at least.

These games should only reinforce the things the manager should know:

Godfrey is no good at full-back.
Maupay carries zero threat.
Iwobi is not a winger.
McNeil will probably be our most important player this year.

Julian Exshaw
23 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:19:34
1-0 Kouyate. Nice finish, left foot.
Julian Exshaw
24 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:20:37
Kouyate, sorry.
Mick Davies
25 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:21:24
Great play from Iwobi to create the goal.
Julian Exshaw
26 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:27:27
Soren Moyer
27 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:28:34
Just realized the swiss team are promoted to 2nd tier last season!
Jeff Armstrong
28 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:28:46
Maupay from the spot???
Mick Davies
29 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:29:17
Iwobi again. He's playing well
Julian Exshaw
30 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:29:18
Converted by Maupay. Yipee. Was worth the journey!!
Soren Moyer
31 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:30:34
Maupay's worth just increased by 10 quid.
Mick Davies
35 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:30:54
Wow, Maupay!! Good penalty!
Mal van Schaick
36 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:35:00
Kouyate looks okay. Just a run out but nice to see a few new faces being given a run out and may be break through into the first team.
Julian Exshaw
37 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:40:27
1:2 Keane caught out. Bad ball out of defence too.
Dave Abrahams
38 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:43:55

No, same as the last few seasons, I just get messed about. I'm a season ticket holder, they ask for my Email address, give them it, they say it's not valid, say this every year and it's the same Email address I've given them since I was a season ticket holder, ridiculous!

Glad they are winning and keeping a clean sheet.

David West
39 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:44:24
What a finish... can we swap him for Maupay?
Dave Abrahams
42 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:46:34
Keeping a clean sheet I said, Jesus, that bleedin' Keane again, can't they swap him for a load of Swiss cheese?
Andrew Ellams
43 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:47:08
Robert @ 3, probably Swiss laws on gambling sponsorship.
Bill Gall
44 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:56:21

I finally got through, watched the 2nd half of the game apart from the first goal. Nothing really to write about, although their goal was well taken,

Rob Halligan
45 Posted 14/07/2023 at 18:59:20
Dave # 42……

A bit harsh blaming Keane for their goal, when in fact it was McKenzie Hunt who failed to control the ball for their striker to fire home.

Jay Harris
46 Posted 14/07/2023 at 19:05:15
Finally got logged in for the second half.

Standouts: Iwobi, Mc Neill and Kouyate.

Solid performances from Virginia, Warrington and Doucoure.

Dodgy performances by Michael Keane (concentration again !!), Godfrey (looked well off the pace) and sadly Tom Cannon who seemed slow to react to the chances he was presented with.

Final shout out to the streaming service and website monitors. Get your act together please or, if you can't do better, ask Michael and Lyndon for some advice.

First friendly. Let's see how the next game pans out.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
47 Posted 14/07/2023 at 19:19:43
Obviously we know we need help up top, but it seems clear that a winger is the next priority, given we really only have McNeil and Gray who naturally play there.

Meanwhile, when healthy we have more central midfielders than we'll know what do with: Gana, Garner, Doucoure, Onana, Gomes, Iwobi, and Dele if he's playing.

Anyone know the status of Dele and Calvert-Lewin recovering from injury? Dele's hip surgery recovery seems to have gotten lost in the much more important story about him the last couple of days.

Dave Abrahams
48 Posted 14/07/2023 at 19:23:07
Rob (45), I never saw the game, I thought I saw Keane blamed for the goal on another site, apologies to Michael.
Rob Halligan
49 Posted 14/07/2023 at 19:47:13
Looking at a few posters saying they had problems logging into the match. Anyone who is a season ticket holder or has a membership should have been able to log straight into the game.

Might sound like I'm being funny, but you do need to log in to your account first using your E-Mail and Password. I had no problems, and had a very good picture quality, although it was pretty obvious Darren Griffiths and Ian Snodin were doing commentary watching a telly in one of their houses.

By the way, did anyone try the "Test Clip"? If you could view this then you should have been able to access the game via Everton TV.

Barry Hesketh
50 Posted 14/07/2023 at 19:51:11
Rob @49,

I usually don't have any trouble logging in to the Everton site but, today, I believed I had logged in, but when I wanted to access the live stream, it went bonkers.

The Echo has written that Everton apologised for the loss of service and will refund those who paid to get the game but were unable to due to the technical issues.

David Israel
51 Posted 14/07/2023 at 20:05:19
Maupay is not all that bad; I'm sure he would be a resounding success in the Southern League South, if the metropolitan police took him in.
Rob Halligan
52 Posted 14/07/2023 at 20:10:47
Unusual, Barry, because I had no problems from start to finish.

In fact the only problem I have is with this bloody website, because it's not half slow. Takes ages to access a thread, sometimes all I get is a blank screen, or half the thread / posts are missing before the page finally uploads fully.

Also takes ages to return to the home page. In fact it's taken me about 5 minutes just to type this post! Does anyone else have similar problems! I don't think it's my device because other websites I look at are pretty quick.

Dave Lynch
53 Posted 14/07/2023 at 20:25:52
Me as well, Rob.

It's fine on my laptop though the phone is a nightmare.

Steve Shave
54 Posted 14/07/2023 at 20:37:03
Can anyone tell me more about Kouyate? What sort of player is he? Do you think he has a future with us?

I watched a training video in the Swiss camp today and I think it was Kouyate who was repeatedly smashing rocks past the keeper, looked a really sharp finisher.

Rob Halligan
55 Posted 14/07/2023 at 20:49:29
Steve, as with any young player with us at the moment, it's hard to say to say if he has a future with the club or not. He came on as a half-time substitution, and showed great technique when, as you say, smashing a rock past their goalie following some good work by Iwobi.

He also showed blistering pace down the left touchline, leaving about three opponents in his jet stream, only to be finally up-ended after turning another one inside out.

I haven't seen any post-match interviews from Dyche yet, but I'm sure he will no doubt have said some good things about Kouyate. Only time will tell, I suppose, but he does look a promising prospect.

Andrew Keatley
56 Posted 14/07/2023 at 21:13:38
Rob (45) - More than that, Michael Keane had actually been subbed off about 10 minutes before we conceded - so I think it's pretty safe to say he was completely blameless.

I only watched the highlights but I am increasingly worried about the long-term future of Ben Godfrey. I know it's just the first game of pre-season but I just do not see a footballer of any reasonable quality when I watch him.

Derek Knox
57 Posted 14/07/2023 at 21:59:31
Hardly think this will send 'shock waves' through European Football, beating the equivalent of the Austrian Waiters, but a win is a win!
Tom Bowers
58 Posted 14/07/2023 at 22:05:52
Nothing ever expected from these games.

Result of no consequence.

Just a game for fitness training and opportunities for some youngsters to show they have something to offer.

The only game to take seriously will be the Sporting Lisbon game.

Pekka Harvilahti
59 Posted 14/07/2023 at 22:10:30
This is pre-season so you can't really know who is fit or is going to make it. We can only guess, but as I saw it...

Iwobi was good as were Tarkowski and Keane but they were against a really low opponent.

Godfrey must be sold, he never had the brain, and now the pace seems to have gone.

Kouyate was the best of the youngsters but he tries too hard, lots of cards will follow with that kind of playing.

I'm really out of words with Tom Cannon, two clear chances and no result. We must let him go.

New recruits are needed.

Ian Jones
60 Posted 14/07/2023 at 22:11:07
On the subject of some earlier reporting that Keane was at fault for their goal, I can only imagine Jordan Pickford will have been disappointed that we conceded. 😀
Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 14/07/2023 at 22:26:39
I've just watched the highlights, Ian, and my own opinion is that Keane couldn't have made that mistake because he would never have read the little cutback.

Although he did make a customary error, and had Billy Crellin to thank for keeping the game scoreless at the time!!

David West
62 Posted 14/07/2023 at 23:11:33
Let's not draw too many conclusions from this. It's a run out at the end of the first week, with a few key players missing (standard).

We definitely need left back cover, a natural winger, a bit of creativity in the centre.

And a — wait for it… striker.

Who knew???

Bill Watson
63 Posted 14/07/2023 at 23:13:30
Dave #38,

I've had the problem of being taken around in a circle and getting nowhere for years. Today, I had another go and, knock me down with a feather, got in right away.

It's the first time I've ever got in. I won't know if it's a one-off because I'm going to all the other practice games.

Dan Parker
64 Posted 14/07/2023 at 23:45:07
Great strike by Kouyate, had to check we hadn’t signed someone and I’d missed it!
Paul Kossoff
65 Posted 14/07/2023 at 23:48:50
If that's the standard of the Under-21s and we bring them into the first team, and we have to play them, then unless we bring in three or four experienced signings soon, we will be Bottom 3 before Christmas and heading down. We should have been four up in 15 minutes only for abysmal finishing from Cannon and Mopay. Cannon missed two sitters as did Maupay.

Only IwobI put in a shift first half. Tarkowski was blowing chunks after 5 minutes and one time I genuinely thought he was going to throw up. Warrington is the new Tom Davies, Godfrey was very poor and seemed to not know what his position was. Tarkowski kept having to go wide left and cover for a missing left-back.

McNeil was unlucky not to score after a great dribble but disappeared.

Doucouré touched the ball twice when he came on second half. The younger players that were in the squad were all way below what we need to survive this season, none of them looked good or ready enough to step up.

I know it's only a friendly but I see nothing here to make me believe we are okay. And by the way, nine first-teamers played in that game. No Calvert-Lewin, why?

Anyone who sees good in that squad needs to go to Specsavers.

Brian Wilkinson
66 Posted 14/07/2023 at 23:57:05
Paul, DCL, is in Germany, having neuro training treatment.
Paul Kernot
67 Posted 15/07/2023 at 00:23:07
No sign of Branthwaite. Only the first pre-season game but I hope we see him soon.
Julian Exshaw
68 Posted 15/07/2023 at 00:34:42
I wrongly accused Michael Keane of being at fault for Nyon's goal. I apologise.
Mike Gaynes
69 Posted 15/07/2023 at 01:49:23
Jonathan #47, since Dele's surgery 3 months ago there has been no published projection on his timeline for full fitness.

Also no projections yet on Coleman, Mykolenko, Holgate or Gbamin.

I'm not sure that Dom is officially listed as injured.

Steve Brown
70 Posted 15/07/2023 at 01:56:24
Rob H @ 52, I think it could be the Russians.
Annika Herbert
71 Posted 15/07/2023 at 06:03:42
Paul @ 65, that's quite some judgement from just one pre season game!

I prefer to give the players, especially the younger ones, a little more time to show what they can do. But, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course.

Jerome Shields
72 Posted 15/07/2023 at 06:10:10
Apparently Jonny Evans, the 35-year-old Leicester City centre-back is coming in.

I was disappointed in Cannon's performance.

Seems Pickford and Onana are being pushed in the shop window.

Joe McMahon
73 Posted 15/07/2023 at 06:34:23
Jerome, I hope this rumour is not true.

Yes, Dyche does prefer the old guard, and it worked with Joey Barton, but that was in the Championship, and we cannot keep signing players over 30, nevermind 35.

Please no one say "well Peter Reid, Paul Power etc worked out"; that was 40 years ago.

Danny O’Neill
74 Posted 15/07/2023 at 07:21:29
I don't tend to read too much into pre-season. It's training and geared around getting the players conditioned for the season ahead.

A few observations.

On the training footage, Idrissa giving Iwobi a run for his money on the bleep test. Who says age is an issue? If you look after yourself, you can keep going. He sets an example.

No sponsor on the shirt. Are we changing again? Am I overthinking?

McNeil has a gifted left foot and is a tricky player. He is no Sheedy or Tricky Trev, but I am encouraged as to how he will develop. Still young and full of potential.

Cannon has raw potential, but not as ready as some desire. Give him time. Alongside Warrington and Mills, introduce them to the squad gradually and manage them. Don't throw them into the fire of high expectations.

That Kouyate goal was a great strike as was the Swiss team's reply. Great set-up from Iwobi.

Maupay looked lively. Yes, Maupay.

We still look a bit goal shy, but it's a preseason workout, so I won't read too much into it.

Sam Hoare
75 Posted 15/07/2023 at 07:22:26
We won't be signing Johnny Evans, I don't think. But I wonder if we will look for a new centre-back? I'm excited to see more of Branthwaite but it may be a risk to rely on him too much.

We looked so much better with Mina in the team at the end of last season. Not just because of his defending but his calmness on the ball and ability to find a forward pass, often through the press. We don't have anyone else who can do that, or even close to it (except Branthwaite possibly).

It still pains me that we spent around £25M on Godfrey when we could have got Saliba or Gabriel; or maybe Botman, Guehi, Fofana, Tapsoba etc. So many good young centre-backs around and sadly we signed one who just struggles to position himself well and is not great in the air.

Steve Griffiths
76 Posted 15/07/2023 at 07:31:31
Paul 67,

Branthwaite has been given extra time off as has James Garner, following England's Under-21 Euro success. We won't see either until next week at the earliest.

Steve Griffiths
77 Posted 15/07/2023 at 07:41:04
Brian 66,

Calvert-Lewin is no longer in Germany, he has been in Switzerland with the squad. He is not yet deemed fit enough to get involved in any contact. But has joined in some of the fitness work being done.

Might (big might) be involved in the games next week, fingers crossed, because boy we need him badly this season. We are by far a better side when he is in for sure.

Steve Griffiths
78 Posted 15/07/2023 at 07:46:53
Rob 55, completely agree. He was the only young one who appeared to have the necessary quality to step up. Natural talent, left footed & definitely one to watch.
Robert Tressell
79 Posted 15/07/2023 at 07:59:56
If Johnny Evans does come in, I wouldn't read that as a strategy to stock up on old players – I'd read it as a strategy to bring in squad cover on free transfers with low wage demands and short term contracts. Those players just happen to be old.

If this enables us to bring in our main attacking target(s) then it probably makes some sense.

When I've seen Kouyate in the U21s and U18s, he's always looked a threat – although I think Okoronkwo has more to his game. Kouyate only got 2 goals in 32 U21 appearances last season though and at 19 he really needs to kick on.

Otherwise it might be a similar story to Manpala, Sambou and the lad who went to Kilmarnock(?) never to be seen again.

Jerome Shields
80 Posted 15/07/2023 at 08:18:31
Reported in the Guardian: Everton Coaches accidentally recorded saying 'Jonny Evans is coming in', in a training video.

Maybe there is a Rumour Mill amongst Everton Staff. But he is younger than Ashley Young and will be available to play more than Mina.

Fits in with Everton's threadbare policy. This transfer window has the feel of a side that has been relegated.

Ian Bennett
81 Posted 15/07/2023 at 09:46:57
I watched it and here are my thoughts.

The Godfrey left-back experiment needs to stop. He's just not got the skills to play in that position, and I think it's stunting his impact at centre-back. If he's not good enough at centre-back, move him on whilst we can still get a good fee.

Cannon is still raw. It's looking like another season in the Championship is best all round. I had hoped he'd be our 3rd-choice striker, but after yesterday, I don't think so – admittedly just one game.

Virginia as back-up is properly concerning. If you thought Olsen, Robles etc were shakey, I think you're going to age about 10 years if he plays competitive footy.

Same on Warrington. Some promise, but again, he's nowhere near good enough yet.

The rest. Looked like the first pre-season game. Final ball and crosses were poor. Up front was wasteful, and you can see the usual striker deficiency that has haunted the Blues for years. Maupay is a waste of time against limited opposition.

Goals turn games. It's that simple, and we have none. That needs to be on the front door of Finch Farm will a clock counting down to deadline day.

Kouyate has some fine dribbling and pace, scoring a real good finish. One to see in the coming games if there are any positives

Clive Rogers
82 Posted 15/07/2023 at 10:25:17
Evans only played 13 PL games last season. Injuries presumably.
Alan J Thompson
83 Posted 15/07/2023 at 10:39:39
Seeing some of the more senior players outdoing others in training is no guide as to where we might be in 12 or 24 months.

Stop-gap is just that and most, if not all, over 32-years-old players will need replacing sooner rather than later and we are not likely to be in a better financial position any time soon.

Some take a lot from pre-season training and then say they don't think pre-season matches show anything although the number of players used in this game gives the impression that it is only to give an indication of fitness levels.

John Williams
84 Posted 15/07/2023 at 10:39:42
As I mentioned in an earlier piece on the forum, Branthwaite's house is up for sale and only recently gone on the market. While he was in the Netherlands, the house was rented to Carvalio (Liverpool) who has now gone to Germany.

His home is a large detached house, does he want a larger house? Or move to another area? Or is he off to another club?

Jerome Shields
85 Posted 15/07/2023 at 10:41:29
Johnny Evans story reported in The Independent.
Jerome Shields
86 Posted 15/07/2023 at 10:51:45
Clive #82

Good point. Mina also played 13 games last season and saved Everton from relegation. Evans didn't save Leicester.

Clive Rogers
87 Posted 15/07/2023 at 10:57:10
Jerome, they’re both good players, but not when they’re injured. He’s got history.
Dave Abrahams
88 Posted 15/07/2023 at 11:06:29
As some have mentioned, the result is of no importance it's all about getting fit for 12 August. I will go to the Sporting Lisbon game to see all our new players and see how they shape, but even these pre-season games at Goodson give no indication of how things will shape up,

Ferguson's benefit game was one, my great grandson aged about 8 at the time asked me to leave the game because he thought it was crap, he wasn't far wrong, I told him to wait until Rooney came on, we did and Wayne livened Everton's attack up, we still got beat. Richard Gough stunk in his Goodison debut in a preseason game but was the star man for the rest of the season.

The real proof is how the team performs when the season starts.

Danny O’Neill
89 Posted 15/07/2023 at 11:23:13
All players need replacing at some point.

Whether a young player we sell, an older player coming to the end or losing a talented, but frustratingly not-available-enough 28-year-old centre-back.

Last time I looked, we had an average squad age of just over 25.

Like most clubs, a mix of young promise, established players and wise heads.

I can only go off the footage, but there seemed to be a lot of emphasis on fitness and conditioning.

Jerome Shields
90 Posted 15/07/2023 at 11:23:14
Ashley Young played in 28 matches last season.
Ian Jones
91 Posted 15/07/2023 at 11:36:37
I appreciate the reasoning behind the comments that the result doesn't matter. Just a training exercise etc

However, we won, we got precious few wins last season. So winning will breed confidence.

Nothing like going into the start of the season with loads of defeats, even if it's just friendlies.

Let's start the bar higher this season

Colin Malone
92 Posted 15/07/2023 at 11:50:09
Let's hope we use Andre Gomes in his rightful position. He is not a defensive midfielder, while he has a hole in his arse.
Robert Tressell
93 Posted 15/07/2023 at 12:19:31
Colin, surely Andre Gomes's rightful position is in the midfield of a team outside of the Premier League – maybe Saudi Arabia.

He was absolutely awful the season before last and, despite the rehabilitation in Lille, I can't bear the thought of seeing him play again for us.

Steve Brown
94 Posted 15/07/2023 at 12:33:22
Bit harsh, Robert.
Jerome Shields
95 Posted 15/07/2023 at 12:36:43
Gomes would not be good enough for midfield. Once marked, he will give away possession.
David Hallwood
96 Posted 15/07/2023 at 12:39:07
Robert Tressell (#93) 100%. Like Tom Davies, Gomes is too slow for the Premier League. They're not bad players, but both are 'time on the ball, pick a pass', but time on the ball is what you don't get in this league.

I know football is about opinions, but perhaps Gomes's performances where the game passed him by, or he was dispossessed, or the silly fouls committed largely on account of his crab-like speed, have all been forgotten by Colin (#92) and others.

I wish him well but I never want to see him in an Everton shirt again.

Sam Hoare
97 Posted 15/07/2023 at 12:39:50
One thing I noticed from the game is that once again Iwobi was heavily involved in most of our best attacking moments including the passes for first goal and penalty.

I know many on here (mystifingly to me!) don't rate him but, if we sell him, I wonder who will be taking on the creative burden?

Dave Williams
98 Posted 15/07/2023 at 12:49:12
I don't attach any significance to the first friendly of the season after about seven days or so of training.

Players cannot be judged after this – players are trying to get fit again and young lads are perhaps too eager to make an impact.

We won, we scored twice and no injuries reported. Next please!

Christopher Timmins
99 Posted 15/07/2023 at 12:54:34
As regards what might happen during the season ahead, yesterday's game is an irrelevance. It's all about getting players fit at this stage.
Tony Everan
100 Posted 15/07/2023 at 12:58:07
Sam, his creativity will need replacing.

The issue with Alex is his contract runs out in 11 months. He is supposed to have said he wants to play Champions League football. If he doesn't sign a new contract ,he needs to be sold this window so that we can get someone in who can match or better his goals and assists. Same goes for Gray, it's Thelwell's job to keep the plates spinning and this is the best way.

Of course the players may think differently and decide to ride it out to get a free move on a bigger wage in a year. Their priorities will be what's best for them first and Everton second.

Tony Abrahams
101 Posted 15/07/2023 at 13:06:56
The club is in a very perilous financial position so can they really afford to lose Iwobi for nothing?
Dave Abrahams
102 Posted 15/07/2023 at 13:09:52
Sam (97).

It must also be mystifying to you that there doesn't seem to be any club rushing to sign him. Hopefully that is in the pipeline.

Danny O’Neill
103 Posted 15/07/2023 at 13:40:19
David @ 96 and Robert,

I get the frustration with both of those players and have had it myself.


Most of our midfielders have struggled in struggling teams at a mismanaged club throughout their time with us.

I don't think Gomes ever really got over that nasty injury. Physically and mentally. A shame, as he looked good when he first came on the scene. I thought he looked controlling at one of the Anfield derbies. I think it was the unfortunate Pickford one.

If this was the 80s, that vindictive and deliberate tackle by Son would not have gone unpunished by supporters or players. A Brian Marwood moment. Shithouse. Fuck the crocodile tears. He meant to harm the player out of frustration. I can't even put that down to a 50-50. He chased after him.

In terms of time and pace, when I watch, players in the Premier League arguably get more time on the ball than perhaps they would in the Championship or lower leagues.

Aside from when we play the likes of the Red Duracell Bunnies, whose battery was running low last season and City when they decide to press, a lot teams we go defensive and allow possession.

The problem is having options in front and runners to aim for. That has been one of the problems in my opinion. Without that, to retain possession, a player will instinctively turn sideways or backwards.

Keep the ball. Or punt it forward to the other team. That sounds very Graham Taylor.

As much as we need the midfield to be more creative, they need something to aim for.

James Garner will be next in line.

Sam Hoare
104 Posted 15/07/2023 at 15:29:30
Dave@102, by all accounts there are quite a few clubs trying to sign him.

The trouble is I suspect that unlike many of our fans the manager realizes how important he is which is why he’s been offered a large new contract.

But he’s not signed it yet. Maybe because he doesn’t fancy another relegation battle for fans who don’t appreciate him.

If he doesn’t sign then we’ll have to accept one of those offers. And I think we’ll miss him, even if you won’t. Though if we get £15m for him and buy someone like Alex Scott I’ll be content. The other issue may be that few other clubs will be willing to match the large wages we pay, though I like him a lot I don’t think he’s necessarily a £100k p/w player.

Jay Harris
105 Posted 15/07/2023 at 15:32:10
I can assure you it was a real problem for many people trying to login to the site. I tried every device I had phone, laptop, ipad and pc and they all had the same response the login page would show but the took you back to the same login page.

I was very persistent and eventually it succumbed to me at half time.

Dave you were spot on about Michael Keane's lack of concentration. He allowed one of their players to run past him and but for Virginia coming out and just about blocking the shot it would have been a goal.

That has been MK's problem for years and if we persist in playing him next season don't expect the goals against column to be good.

Also Godfrey looks a shadow of the player that first came to us. It seems injuries, Covid and a lack of confidence have all atken their toll.

Very impressed with Kouyate though. He seems like a young Demarai Gray.

Paul Kossoff
106 Posted 15/07/2023 at 15:35:56
Danny 74. "Maupay looked lively. Yes, Maupay."
Danny I love reading your posts but please, Monday morning, go right away to speck savers and get some new glasses because obviously your old ones are not working.
Clive Rogers
107 Posted 15/07/2023 at 15:37:53
The problems with Gomes are twofold. Lack of goals and pace (especially since his injury).

He scored one goal for us in his initial loan season then none for the next three seasons. His lack of pace led to numerous free kicks on the edge of the box and not being able to get his passes away.

Nick Page
108 Posted 15/07/2023 at 15:54:42
Are there three worse teams than Everton in the league? Is the key question.
Barry Hesketh
109 Posted 15/07/2023 at 16:11:12
Nick @108,

We won't know the answer to that question until the next season has ended, but, if you can find one of those three worse teams, could you please go on their sites and constantly post your negative thoughts about that club, because, I fail to see what you achieve with your posts, you're not alone, there are a little group of posters who seem to enjoy 'mocking' the club, the players, the manager, the board, the owner and sometimes even the supporters too.

Maybe the Talksport guy who was chastised by Jason Cundy was right, Evertonians would be happier had we been relegated as we might have been looking forward to winning games more regularly, rather than knowing we will likely lose more than we win in the top flight.

I even saw one so-called Evertonian on another site, who professed how happy he would be to see Everton be liquidated. It's something I just can't understand at all. If you don't like the club, why not go away and find something else to occupy your time?

Dave Abrahams
110 Posted 15/07/2023 at 16:15:05
Sam (104),

Yes, I think Iwobi's wages are the big issue, they could stop him from moving this season. He can't lose, he either gets his move and big wages or he hangs on and becomes a free agent and that's whether he's liked by Everton fans or not.

We all have our opinions I much preferred Aaron Lennon who wasn't particularly liked by a large portion of Everton fans, one man's meat is another man's poison.

David Bromwell
111 Posted 15/07/2023 at 16:18:19
Well, Nick @108, in my view, we have been one of the three worst teams for the last two seasons and yet we survived.

As things stand, we appear to have a very weak squad for this season's start and have a number of players who we really need to move on. It looks like it will be all very last-minute in the transfer market and we will need some inspired signings to plug the gaps in the squad.

However, just who leads the transfer negotiations in our current situation, I have no idea. If it's you-know-who, then that's the answer to your question.

Rob Halligan
112 Posted 15/07/2023 at 16:59:49
Barry # 109. Couldn’t agree more with what you say. If, as you say, these negative posters are going to constantly moan about everything about the club, then why don’t they just piss off and go and support a club where everything is hunky dory and who are constantly winning trophies. After all, it’s easily done, I’ve got two mates who changed clubs to be a glory hunter, one to the RS and one to Man Utd. Nobody is happy about the current situation, but FFS this constant moaning, and before a ball has even been kicked in anger in the new season, is just plain pathetic…….nearly as pathetic as this website which is doing my head in with how slow it is. As I said the other day, if all the negative posts were removed from the site, there would hardly be any posts at all, which would be a pleasant thought!
Steve Brown
113 Posted 15/07/2023 at 17:08:37
8 assists and 2 goals last season for a team that only managed 34 league goals. That’s the same number of assists as McNeil, Doucoure, Onana and Gray combined.

Sell Iwobi as he has no place in this Everton squad with those numbers!

Steve Brown
114 Posted 15/07/2023 at 17:15:42
Rob, sounds like you need to clear cache and cookies on your laptop.

If only it was possible to do the same with some of the negative posters on here.

Rob Halligan
115 Posted 15/07/2023 at 17:28:03
Steve, I owe you a pint. I’ve just done that and now seems to be running smoothly. Thanks a lot mate. 🍺🍺🍺
Brent Stephens
116 Posted 15/07/2023 at 17:30:38
Barry #109, Rob #112, Steve #114.

Hallelujah, brothers! Negative posts are as welcome as positive ones. But the daily (hourly!) repetition of negative posts on exactly the same point, and across various threads, regardless of the original topic for the thread - why?

Seriously, just why?

Steve Brown
117 Posted 15/07/2023 at 17:34:32
Welcome Rob!
Danny O’Neill
118 Posted 15/07/2023 at 17:58:26
Rob, we've got pre-season coming.

Wigan and Stoke (Bolton is a night game) and Porto.

Before we know it, Fulham at home.

Paul Tran
119 Posted 15/07/2023 at 18:13:40
Brent #116, point taken about the relentless performative hysteria, but maybe it helped keep the prices for backing us to stay up and laying us to get relegated at a decent level to fill our boots, so I'm grateful for that.
Dale Self
120 Posted 15/07/2023 at 18:16:36
Make ‘em pay Paul, literally.
Brent Stephens
121 Posted 15/07/2023 at 18:19:23
Paul #119 - great stuff!
Paul Tran
122 Posted 15/07/2023 at 18:26:30
Hey Brent, silver linings and all that...
Dave Williams
123 Posted 15/07/2023 at 18:58:17
The negativity on here is nothing compared to the Live Forum where so-called supporters constantly abuse our own players and seem to think it's funny.

Players need our support whether they are playing well or not. The Dele interview only shows that we never know what might be happening in a player's life that might be affecting their game.

Get behind the team!!!

Dan Parker
124 Posted 15/07/2023 at 18:59:46
Well said, Dave.

I can't stand the twitter threads “x player keep or sell discuss”, so toxic.

Steve Griffiths
125 Posted 15/07/2023 at 19:01:13
Barry 109, well said sir.
Steve Griffiths
126 Posted 15/07/2023 at 19:11:30
David @111,

No, that's just your opinion, which you are of course entitled to. However, the table doesn't lie over a full season, so we were not one of the three worst teams. Because, if we were, we would have gone down, simples.

Using your reasoning, do you think Arsenal, Liverpool and Man Utd were the best teams in the league also over the last few seasons? I think there are Man City fans & most fans of other clubs who would disagree with you.

Julian Exshaw
127 Posted 15/07/2023 at 19:37:48
I tend to disagree with most comments about Gomes.

Watching the match in the 'stadium' yesterday it was plain for all to see we are severely lacking in centre-midfield, in particular someone who can put his foot on the ball and find spaces. We don't have that in Garner, Onana or Gana.

I do agree that he had a bad season under Lampard but it's simply not his game to go chasing and harrying and this is how Lampard deployed him.

A fit and refreshed Gomes wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Perhaps not 'like a new signing' but I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand either.

Ian Bennett
128 Posted 15/07/2023 at 19:55:56
Julian - I think you're under estimating Garner. He played very well at the end of the season, and played very well in the U21s (admittedly at right-back). He should be full of confidence. He's a proper footballer.

Doucoure I think gets the nod to partner him as he offers goals and aggression. Then it's Onana, Gana, Iwobi fighting it out for the remaining spot.

For me, that's not bad. You contrast that to left-back, right-winger and striker, and we've nothing much.

Paul Tran
129 Posted 15/07/2023 at 20:05:25
Iwobi has "Leave on a free for a lucrative move to Saudi next summer" written all over him.
Fran Mitchell
130 Posted 15/07/2023 at 21:06:47
In terms of Iwobi, can't see us getting a fee for him, especially with his wages, which we'll be able to use to adequately replace him.

Losing on a free is not ideal, but also, we are still in a battle for survival.

He is one of the few first team players we have who we can be confident will perform for us this season, and if we lost him for a nominal fee and don't replace, we lose our most creative player and relegation is more likely without him than with him.

Jerome Shields
131 Posted 15/07/2023 at 23:45:08
Iowbi will probably be offered a new contract, if noone comes in for him this season.

Gomes can be pressurised too easily yielding possession and is often giving away possession by late tackles resulting in frees in dangerous situations.

Ben King
132 Posted 16/07/2023 at 00:26:56
Jerome #131

Obviously Iwobi will be offered a new contract as we try to protect our asset & attempt to keep an important first teamer.

The fear is him letting his contact run down and we lose him for nothing when we’re already cash strapped.

Jerome Shields
133 Posted 16/07/2023 at 07:13:10
Ben #132,

The possible reason Iowbi hasn't signed a contract is the Club is holding out in the hope that someone will offer money for him. That is normally the reason a contract is not signed during the Summer by a player at Everton.

I have realised that the Onana in reports is a goalkeeper from Cameroon, not our Onana. There appears to be no interest in him at the moment.

Kim Vivian
134 Posted 16/07/2023 at 08:27:06
Slightly off topic, but I love that training kit and the home kit sans sponsor graphics. It's a real shame neither seem available to purchase. Also, less than 4 weeks 'til the first match of the season... should we be seeing an away kit by now?

Back on topic: Well done, lads, winning this knock about game. Hoping now to see some real progress in the remaining (slightly more challenging) pre-season fixtures culminating with a polished win against Sporting.

I live in hope more than expectation, I am sad to say!

Christy Ring
135 Posted 16/07/2023 at 08:44:57
Barry#109, 100% Correct.

Regarding Gomes, I always thought he played well in a three-man midfield, especially with a defensive midfielder beside him.

Liam Heffernan
136 Posted 16/07/2023 at 10:34:10
I'm thinking of going to to Sporting Lisbon game. I'll be flying over from Ireland and want to keep costs down. Hotels for the night are £150 to £200 or more for the night.

I was wondering would any of you know of a reasonably priced B&B (under £100), fairly central? Thanks.

Tony Abrahams
146 Posted 16/07/2023 at 13:47:25
Liam @136, try using different websites like Trivago, and even TripAdvisor, mate. I just googled TripAdvisor and there was a TravelLodge hotel for £105 on the Friday night, with a fairly central location.
Ian Jones
147 Posted 16/07/2023 at 13:57:08
Hi Liam, you can also perhaps try staying on the Wirral, like Wallasey or New Brighton Travelodge etc. Okay, also incurs a train into Liverpool, but perhaps an option.
Danny O’Neill
150 Posted 16/07/2023 at 14:34:40

Try Booking.com.

I often have to stop overnight for home games.

I could stay with family, but like to stay close to Lime Street for the first train.

The Adelphi is usually cheap. It's a bit like walking into the 1920s, but if you just want to get your head down for a few hours, it's fine.

Liam Heffernan
151 Posted 16/07/2023 at 19:19:53
Tony, Ian, Danny, thanks for your help.

After looking around, I think I'll stay somewhere like the Adephi. Thanks again, here's hoping for a good season. 🙏

Ray Smith
152 Posted 16/07/2023 at 20:04:46
Every player we are linked to is all smoke and mirrors! I have no inside info, but it's the same old here we go again!

Kenwright involved in transfers. We won't bring anyone other than a free until deadline day, again!!!!

Kenwright just go, your interference just compounds our current situation, which you put us in.

Need I say any more, he's an ogre that we can't shake off!!!

Ray Smith
153 Posted 16/07/2023 at 20:12:15
If you believe the media gossip/hype, do we really need the likes of Danjuma?

His press is not exactly enthralling, if, he's turning us down for a second time?

Not worth the risk IMO.

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