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Bolton Wanderers 0 - 0 Everton

Everton took on Bolton tonight at the Toughsheet Community Stadium but could not produce a single goal.

Sean Dyche started with a line-up mostly of first-teamers for the third pre-season friendly in front of a surprisingly large turnout: 13,242.

There were good opportunities for Dobbin, McNeil and Young in the first half, but it remained goalless at the interval. A number of U21 players were switched in at the interval and during the second half without influencing the final score. 

Everton: Virginia, Tarkowski (46' Godfrey), Patterson (46' Warrington), Keane (68' Astley), McNeil (46' Okoronkwo), Onana (46'Hunt), Iwobi (46' Mills), Young (46' Higgins), Maupay (46' Kouyate), Gomes (46' Onyango), Dobbin (77' Sherif).

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Subs not Used: Lonergan, Welch, Dixon, Metcalfe. 



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Soren Moyer
1 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:04:26
We've been lucky so far v Bolton.

Dobbin and Gomes are playing.

Bill Gall
2 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:13:41
Has anyone got a site for this game? I was a member before the game started but now they ask me to sign back in but it will not let me.
Kieran Kinsella
3 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:19:24

From The Echo: "Andre Gomes, who has looked sluggish and been sloppy in possession."

Sluggish? Gomes? No way!

Soren Moyer
4 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:25:50
Lol, Kieran. Hes still crap tbh.

Onana is injured!

Shane Corcoran
5 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:26:29
Onana hobbling off…
Shane Corcoran
6 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:28:06
Onana back on.
Christine Foster
7 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:28:37
Video links anyone? Not even radio..
Soren Moyer
8 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:30:02
Dobbin is not the answer I'm afraid. No threat at all up top.
Soren Moyer
9 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:32:23
Bobbin! Missed a sitter!
Shane Corcoran
10 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:32:31
I have it on Wanderers TV. Dobbin just missed a 1v1
Mike Gaynes
11 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:41:19
Andy, you still got it, mate... can't wait to laugh with you and Derek when I come over in September.
Jay Harris
12 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:43:33
Very impressed with Dobbins movement. Some good passes by Onana. Tarkowski is his usual giant self.

Gomes in and out but has lost any premiership pace if he ever had any.

McNeil and Young playing reasonable well.

I won't even mention Maupay except to say it still amazes me that Dyche keeps playing him.

Bill Piscass
13 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:46:53

Gary Brown
14 Posted 25/07/2023 at 20:52:47
Personal view on first half:

Virginia - couple of very good saves
Patterson - getting skinned
Tarkowski - stop ballsing about
Keane - turns like a tanker
Young - assured
Onana - this boy can tackle
Iwobi - if only he could finish
Gomes - looks fine in a 3
Dobbin - good movement, getting bullied
Maupay - pointless
McNeil - hope no-one else notices how good he's playing

Overall, we could be two up or two down….if we don't find competent finishers the two down will be much more likely in Premier League.

Raymond Fox
15 Posted 25/07/2023 at 21:00:10
As always it depends who gets injured. If we had a striker last season we would have been mid table.

Same again this season if we have a goal scorer -or two- up top we will have a decent season, 12th or thereabouts. I'm optimistic we will find a couple of quality players to make us good enough to be comfortable for a change.

Dyche seems a 'confident, on the ball no nonsense type' who knows what it takes in this division, I've every faith that he will get the best out of whoever are in the team.

Shane Corcoran
16 Posted 25/07/2023 at 21:13:10
Dobbin has been very poor. Kouyate has me excited.
Paul Jones
17 Posted 25/07/2023 at 21:32:36
Jay Harris
18 Posted 25/07/2023 at 21:45:05
I thought Dobbin did very well first half. Tired second half and was playing with youth players.

I thought Kouyate looked good again and Lewis Warrington continues to improve.

Some great saves by Virginia to keep us in the game but disappointing finishing remains our Achilles heel.

Bill Gall
19 Posted 25/07/2023 at 21:45:28
Managed to sign back in after 30 minutes. I can't understand how the TV coverage works. I was a member before the game started that I lost and, after 30 minutes, I became a member again and it let me watch.

I can't comment on the game as the second half they made 8/9 changes.

Julian Exshaw
20 Posted 25/07/2023 at 21:46:15
I'm not sure what Dyche would have learned from that. We were better in the 1st half. The second half was basically a chance to see the young kids.

No real stand-outs for me but admittedly it's hard and unfair to judge them on one half. They don't look ready for first-team duty though.

Gary Brown
21 Posted 25/07/2023 at 21:47:16
Well, that was baffling. People on here repeatedly say “it's all about fitness at this stage lad” – so what was the point of giving no first teamer longer than 45 minutes, and leaving 5-6 first teamers on the beach?

Only thing I can think is Dyche sending a message that the squad's too thin. There's no way this dour ex-Burnley coach was just wanting to see the kids. That could have been arranged anytime.

Just adds to the circus.

Ian Bennett
22 Posted 25/07/2023 at 21:54:32
A decent run out, and they tried to play football. But no cutting edge to take the chances against a limited League One side. No wonder we make hard work about it in the Premier League.

Virginia - played well
Patterson - bright enough down right
Keane - he's just a lad to head it, and nothing else.
Tarkowski- committed
Young - intelligent link up

McNeil - could offered a bit more and backed himself
Gomes - plodder, he's finished
Onana - decent enough
Iwobi - lacks pace when put through

Dobbin - good link play, but not ready
Maupay - just isn't an Everton forward. John Spencer ilk.

Subs: kids did okay, but clear a lot need loan spells.

Si Pulford
23 Posted 25/07/2023 at 21:56:20
Dour ex Burnley coach. 🤣
Barry Hesketh
24 Posted 25/07/2023 at 21:56:36
I think that Dyche will probably know who his first team will be when the real stuff begins, obviously depending on availability, so he'll be quite content to see first hand what the younger members of the squad may have to offer.

Positives, there is a far better defensive shape to the team, whichever players are on the park. Negatives, the team is still shot-shy and don't look likely to score. The set-pieces in the 2nd half were appalling and surely that's an area that can be improved upon, regardless of the personnel on the pitch.

I imagine a stronger line-up will take to the pitch against Stoke as we all hope to see a much more football orientated team, rather than a superficial fitness exercise.

As for Everton's coverage and its inability to allow people to login in order to watch the 'live' games, it's a sad state of affairs and it really should be explained by somebody at the club as to why it's such an impossible task seemingly beyond the capabilities of anyone at the club to solve as it occurs game after game and season after season.

Bryan Houghton
25 Posted 25/07/2023 at 22:00:58
No goals. First half we were busy around the goal, but in reality, toothless as the team stands (without Calvert-Lewin, Danjuma and A N Other)

Good night for some, not so good for others. Basically it looked at times men against boys – physically speaking. They had some big lads on the pitch, and in the 2nd half most of our team were U21s, and some looked it.

A not so good night for Dobbin. Busy, pressed well, especially first half, but pushed off the ball way too easy. He has added a few inches this last year, and bulked out a little, but needs to either up his core, or his attitude on the ball. Maybe not ready for the first team yet?

Not a great night for Lewis Warrington. Can do much better, and can often control midfield, but tonight looked maybe timid, or at least slightly over-awed.

Not a great night for Onyango, or Okoronkwo – neither seemed to grab the opportunity. Both can definetly do better, but didn't when they needed to impress.

However, it was a good night for Virginia - some very good saves, looks an instinctive shot-stopper, but nervous and easily pressured with the ball at his feet.

Good nights for Stan Mills and Katia Kouyate. Both fast, direct, threatening, and got the treatment from any Bolton player anywhere near them at the time. A sign that they bother players with their directness. For me, both need to be in and around the first team this season. Both can, I think have cameos with a real prospect of impact.

A good night for Liam Higgins. Largely under the radar in the U21s – always composed and solid, but stepped up in class very well, and is very composed indeed, unflustered with the ball, and again, right back showed promise of a progression into the main squad.

And lastly - their big centre-half bossed, pushed and generally threw anyone out the way (mainly Dobbin, tbf) who would bother him.

Until Martin Sherif came on mid-way through the half. First time I've seen the lad. I don't know how old he is, but he looks older. And immediately pissed their back four right off – with a bit of gob, a fair bit of needle and a complete refusal to be pushed about. And then out-muscled and out-played their centre-half.

Impressed. Not intimidated, not over-awed, and well prepared to compete. Just the type of player I would expect Dyche to notice. And approve of.

Pat Kelly
26 Posted 25/07/2023 at 22:12:37
Who's going to get goals? Danjuma?? Calvert-Lewin can no longer be relied on to turn up. Get a striker in, for fuck's sake!!!
George Cumiskey
30 Posted 25/07/2023 at 22:19:44
Just back from the game; some decent moves till we got to the penalty area… then nothing,

Maupay shocking – the more we play him, the less money we'll get for him. Iwobi poor again, he had about three one-on-ones with the goalie and fluffed them all.

We are absolutely desperate for a couple of goalscorers.

Colin Glassar
31 Posted 25/07/2023 at 22:28:33
Saw on Twitter that Iwobi was getting hammered for being piss poor. Am I surprised?
Anthony Hawkins
32 Posted 25/07/2023 at 22:29:36
We've needed a new striker for multiple seasons and it's painfully obvious. Hopefully a new striker is in-coming soon.
Kunal Desai
33 Posted 25/07/2023 at 22:44:25
We have a great opportunity in the month of August to take 3 points at home to Fulham, Wolves and possibly Sheffield Utd away.

On paper it's a good run of fixtures to kick off our campaign, we certainly have to target these games to take maximum points. For that to happen, we need one, possibly two strikers to arrive in the next 3 weeks.

Turn these draws into wins and get in the forwards needed before the season starts and not on Deadline Day.

Paul Turner
34 Posted 25/07/2023 at 22:53:56
I renewed my membership a couple of weeks ago; no problems watching the coverage on the official site – once I'd logged in.

I reckon there's a coding problem/error somewhere, as when I first accessed the website, I logged in via the button at top right. So far so good.

Then I clicked on the link to watch the match – when the page loaded, it looked as though I would have to pay £8.99! But then I spotted another login button, again at top right – so I logged in again, and had no problems with the sound or vision all evening.

Not much to add – first 25-30 minutes we looked pretty sharp, then eased off to half-time; I missed the first 15 minutes of the 2nd half, and then the younger players never really seemed to gel as a team, but none of them looked over-awed and they acquitted themselves reasonably – without being overly impressive.

Tom Bowers
35 Posted 25/07/2023 at 23:05:27
Once again the lack of decent strikers shows although one has to say it was more of a workout for many players getting match fit.

With Sporting Lisbon coming up before the season starts, it will be interesting to see who will be uppermost in Dyche's thoughts for the starting eleven against Fulham.

We appear to have plethora of players chomping at the bit especially from midfield but that offence is a big worry still.

Geoff Lambert
36 Posted 25/07/2023 at 23:15:02
No striker, no goals, no change. I hope we don't need to win our final match this season.

I have never felt so down supporting my team in 60 years.

Peter Mills
37 Posted 25/07/2023 at 23:28:22
Not the most entertaining of nights out.

Bolton's ground has always been rather soulless - “The Toughsheet Stadium” almost sums it up neatly. And their supporters are tiresome.

The players you would expect to play okay (Tarkowski, Young, McNeil) did so. Virginia kept goal well. Other than that, there was precious little creativity, and a predictable lack of finishing power. Iwobi's final pass or shot was customarily erratic. Gomes was anonymous. Onana seemed to injure himself with a poor tackle, although I didn't have the greatest view of it.

The second half was a bit of a non-event. Warrington looked to have something about him, and the big lad up front, Okoronkwo, tried hard.

Meagre fare for a good following.

Mike Price
38 Posted 25/07/2023 at 23:51:04
Iwobi is terrible, he's always been terrible… get rid asap!
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
39 Posted 26/07/2023 at 00:08:22

I suspect the "ee" needs to be replaced with an "i"

Colin Malone
40 Posted 25/07/2023 at 00:30:45
For fuck's sake, a couple of friendlies, and the grim reapers are at it.

Unbelievable! Get a grip!!!

Mick Davies
41 Posted 26/07/2023 at 01:53:01
That defender of theirs, Santos, seems like a massive upgrade on Keane. I wonder if Sean Dyche noticed…?
Bill Watson
42 Posted 26/07/2023 at 02:07:04
I was surprised Dyche made an almost complete changeover at half-time instead of introducing some of the kids into the more senior starting line-up.

Not much to take out of the game. Virginia looked okay but Patterson was being skinned by balls over the top. Godfrey looks (a bit) better at centre-back, Gomes was constantly caught in possession and we, as usual, failed to convert many really decent chances.

I really don't see what Dyche thinks he gains by constantly starting Maupay. His transfer value must decrease every time he plays. I don't think I've ever seen an Everton forward so unlikely to score. He makes Rod Belfitt look a class act!

On the Everton TV issue; I've had problems logging in, in the past, but got it okay for the Swiss game. Oddly, when I was trying to figure out the half-time changes, I could get it really good in the ground, without even logging in.

Phillip Warrington
43 Posted 26/07/2023 at 02:31:51
No Calvert-Lewin again – is he being rested for his final game at the end of the season?
Geoff Lambert
44 Posted 26/07/2023 at 06:50:00
Colin #40! Replace friendlies with years lad.
Lee Courtliff
45 Posted 26/07/2023 at 07:19:07
Rico Santos... straight swap for Keane!!
Tony Abrahams
46 Posted 26/07/2023 at 08:00:52
I think one of the quickest ways to fall out of love with football is by watching pre-season friendlies!

It's a concern that we have not brought in any forward players after scoring so few goals last season but I take solace in the fact that Everton have rarely been prepared for the coming season during the last 30 years. (Maybe that's why we haven't won anything?)

Martinez did some great deadline business in his first season but I suppose he had been left a very good core and it's slowly been downhill ever since.

I still expect at least four players to leave and I'm hopeful we will bring at least another three players in but please don't start the season without a recognized centre-forward again, Everton, because we can't carry on being so underprepared.

Ray Smith
47 Posted 26/07/2023 at 08:20:26
Colin @40,

Agree completely with your comments. Sean Dyche and his team will be working their socks off to get the right players through the door.

That's easier said than done with the hand he's been dealt.
I'm sure the forward/striker situation will happen, the sooner the better; however, regrettably I foresee deals being done more towards the end of the window.

Gnonto is a distinct possibility. Toure, never in imo as Atalanta can offer European football. Too much fake news/media hype for my liking.

As I've said before, I'll believe it when they walk through the door. Until then, we will have to wait, so stop the negativity and relegation posts, it doesn't help anyone.

Tony Everan
48 Posted 26/07/2023 at 08:28:54
Tony, Two weeks and three days to go. It concerns me that we have some opening fixtures that we can realistically get a good point haul from before some, on paper, harder fixtures come along. It's going to be very important we start the season strong.

We can't afford to be lightweight in attack and throw away points in these opening games, exactly like last season when we were desperately swapping and changing the centre forward playing Maupay then Gordon, then Gray as a totally unsuitable target man.

The argument would obviously be ‘we are going to adapt' but inevitably we don't or can't. Danjuma will do better than those three centrally, but even so it will still be makeshift and may not be enough.

I fear this time round if we leave this signing until Sept 1st any prospect of momentum may already be lost. We will be playing catch-up just as the harder fixtures kick in. Also, it's harder to recruit when the prospects look more grim.

Thelwell isn't having any luck with his attacking targets, he can't get them over the line. The forlorn Broja chase, Kudus and the Man Utd signing of Antony, Morgan Gibbs-White and our final offer goes in after he's agreed with Forest, now Bilal Toure.

If El Bilal Toure doesn't sign, and I'm still reluctant to give up hope or believe the biased Italian rumour mill, we will hopefully get a hint at Plan B at the weekend.

Mark Dunford
49 Posted 26/07/2023 at 08:30:29
Can anyone be surprised when a team without a front line forward fails to score? Will only be resolved when new signings are settled on the pitch.

I hope Danjuma appears in the next game and it would be nice to see Calvert-Lewin in the frame.

Ian Jones
50 Posted 26/07/2023 at 08:31:44
Tony, 46.
Re forwards, thought we have brought in Danjuma, not permanently, but it's a start.
Ray Jacques
51 Posted 26/07/2023 at 08:36:42
Same old.

Hopefully Sheffield Utd and Luton will be worse than us so only need one more team of duffers to stay above and keep our status again.

I don't get it, we have a decent run of fixtures early in the season before we play the big boys. Why not target a decent points haul from these games by getting players in and a settled team early doors and take advantage of this 'opportunity'?

Then I remember: this is Everton and they can't plan more than a week in advance.

Lester Yip
52 Posted 26/07/2023 at 09:27:01
I thought Dobbin looked pretty good in this game.
Geoff Lambert
53 Posted 26/07/2023 at 09:29:05
Careful what you say, Ray, Billy's boys will be on to remind you of all the good times.
Dave Abrahams
54 Posted 26/07/2023 at 09:34:00
I watched the game and didn't expect much, never do with pre-season friendlies, so Peter (37) summed the game exactly for me.

I hope Charlie and Sam enjoyed the night out, Peter.

George Cumiskey
55 Posted 26/07/2023 at 09:38:09
Colin Malone, the grim reapers are out not because of a couple of preseason games, because the shape and tactics of the team look exactly the same as those that very very nearly got us relegated the last two seasons.

Without two decent strikers, it will be Good Night, Vienna this season, in my honest opinion.

Brian Harrison
56 Posted 26/07/2023 at 09:50:32
I understand that pre-season friendlies are as much about the fitness as anything else. But I have absolutely no idea who will be in the starting 11 in a couple of weeks for the Fulham game.

Gray, Garner, Danjuma, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, haven't had a minute on the pitch. We still look woefully short up front, and a team who can't score many usually ends up fighting relegation. I think our top scorer last season scored 7 and we still haven't signed a striker.

Oliver Molloy
57 Posted 26/07/2023 at 10:01:29
Gray, Garner and Branthwaite were given extra time off.

As for the likes of Mykolenko, Calvert-Lewin – not even in the squad?

Only another 30-odd days to find a striker!

Gary Fenton
58 Posted 26/07/2023 at 10:02:24
Same shape, same ideas, no change in tactics… if you can call them that.

Some informtion on Calvert-Lewin and others would be nice; good job he spent the summer getting fit to stay in the treatment room.

Andrew Ellams
59 Posted 26/07/2023 at 10:12:15
How are we in a position where we struggle to put a team out in pre-season?
Danny O’Neill
60 Posted 26/07/2023 at 10:40:46
Peter, a lot of fans in the stadiums around the country give us loads.

I take it as respect. When I meet them outside, it is different.

Apart from Man City, who I had to calm down walking across Stanley Park and into the Arkles. Although a bit exposed on my own, I reminded them of where they had come from.

Wolves were a bit special too.

A pre-season runout. Nothing to read into it. But nice to hear the feedback on Warrington. Been watching him for a couple of seasons and yes, he does hopefully have something about him.

See you when the real business starts or at Stoke.

Danny O’Neill
61 Posted 26/07/2023 at 10:46:14

Apart from Pickford, and Calvert-Lewin, that's us.

And to see what many call out for, Warrington, Mills, Dobbin and Sherif included.

Lynn Maher
62 Posted 26/07/2023 at 10:49:36
As the saying goes,” “Hope Springs Eternal”. Each new season, this becomes my mantra.

However, I have noticed myself falling into the trap of already despairing at the sight of a certain player. I will not mention his name but I am now convinced, if he was the only player on the pitch, in front of an empty goal, he still couldn't score!

Last night only reinforced this. A small clue: he is French.

Brian Wilkinson
63 Posted 26/07/2023 at 10:51:06
I hope, for Saturday's game, Dyche mixes it up a bit by playing some of the youngsters first half, along with experienced first teamers, then after half-time, same again: first teamers and youngsters coming on.

I'm not a fan of making subs and putting 8 youngsters on at the same time. Mix it up, so that some of the youngsters have experienced players around them.

Ray Jacques
64 Posted 26/07/2023 at 10:54:51
Whilst we have Keane at the back and Maupay up front, there will be no progress.
Sam Hoare
65 Posted 26/07/2023 at 11:12:48
Unbeaten in pre-season! What a time to be alive!

Obviously a lot of first teamers were still missing last night and amongst them Gana, Garner, Pickford, DCL, Doucoure and maybe even Gray will make a big difference and upgrade to the likes of Maupay and Gomes etc.

A bit of a shame that none of the kids has especially pushed their case but I think this would be expected by anyone who watches the U21s, some decent players but no stand out talents and certainly no-one we should be relying upon. The likes of Mills, Cannon, Okoronkwo etc should try and get good loans to see if they can make an impression. Cannon will hopefully carry on where he left off at Preston.

For the first team it will be much the same as last season. it won't be pretty but hopefully we will be hard to beat and pick up points here and there. Danjuma will help with the attacking play as would a fit DCL. The bid for El Bilal Toure suggests that there is some money to work with and I would not be surprised to see Gnonto come in and do well, he's capable of 8-10 goals a season and has certain hint of Rooney bullishness to his play.

Keane worries me at CB and even Tarkowski looked better when playing next to the more assured and comfortable Mina. Trusting Branthwaite is a risk and I worry that its actually our defence rather than our attack that would be our undoing next season. I wonder if Maguire might end up here on loan, many people would hate it but he'd be our best CB.

Steve Brown
66 Posted 26/07/2023 at 11:13:59
The game showed the same challenges that have had us in the relegation zone for the last 2 seasons – lack of squad quality and depth and a real shortage of goals and assists.

I assume Dyche rotated the teams at half-time to have a closer look at who will need to step up permanently into the first team squad given the departures – Dobbin, Mills, Warrington and Kouyate seem the best bets.

Robert Tressell
67 Posted 26/07/2023 at 11:17:19
People reading an awful lot into a pre-season friendly which missed out at least half the first team and featured a load of youngsters and a couple of seniors, none of whom will feature in the First XI this season (hopefully).

Even with the likes of Keane, Iwobi, Godfrey etc (who get a lot of stick) we made considerable progress after Dyche's appointment last season. So there's no reason to believe we are doomed if they feature in the First XI this season (which will probably be the case since we are skint). It just means we will continue to be quite a mediocre side – something that at least 8 other clubs also are.

Dobbin obviously showed some promise in this game – which is good news. May mean we have a (work in progress) replacement for Gray if he leaves.

If that's the plan, Dobbin had best brace himself for being labelled utter shite if he doesn't manage a hat-trick in his first few outings.

Andrew Flanagan
68 Posted 26/07/2023 at 11:51:49
A truly dreadful side that. Unless we get a few in the door who can go straight in the team, then it will be a repeat of the last couple of seasons – if not worse.

Even the eternal optimists on here surely can see the situation we are in?

Stephen Vincent
69 Posted 26/07/2023 at 12:07:21
Bill #42,

Belfitt (3 goals in 17) was prolific by comparison to Maupay and if I remember correctly has a unique record of scoring goals for two different teams in consecutive Everton home games. One for Ipswich after which he was transferred to Everton and scored on his home debut against Man City.

Even Bernie Wright was more prolific than Maupay!!!

Ben King
70 Posted 26/07/2023 at 12:17:07
Ray #64,

Spot on. At least Keane is capable of the odd good game + surprisingly the occasional defence-splitting pass

I get that we don't play to Maupay's strengths but even the basics are poor, eg, control, shooting, passing. He genuinely looks like a Championship player

Sam #65,

Maguire would be a class signing for us. He's actually an excellent centre-back that hasn't adjusted to the high demands of Manchester United. However, there's a top player there. Sadly it's a pipe dream.

Robert #67,

You're so right about Dobbin. We want flair players and players to take a risk. But that's eclipsed by our seeming hatred of our own youngsters. They need to be ready, battle-hardened, mistake-free and a minimum 8 out of 10 every match or they get pelters.

People on here will laugh but an Osman would be great for us right now: goalscoring midfielder that can pick a pass and puts in the hard work.

James Hughes
71 Posted 26/07/2023 at 12:20:31
I don't think we will sign anyone until after 31 July as I think that is the end of the financial year. As our ongoing P&S concerns will prevent any new signing other than what we have completed.

As for the game last night, the only report I could find was from the Daily Mail. It said we looked decent and created chances but the lack of a No 9 stopped us scoring.

The main point was about fitness and Sean Dyche now has that in hand, which was interesting as Antony Gordon was quoted he wasn't fit enough for the Skunks when he joined in January.

So what was happening at Finch Farm?

Raymond Fox
72 Posted 26/07/2023 at 12:26:05
Same moaning minnies on here, Dyche's having a look at the young players, he knows what the senior players can do by now, who cares what the results are in these games.

Anyone who talks about selling Iwobi needs help, he's been one of the main reasons we have stayed in the Premier League. We do need an experienced striker from somewhere as sub for Calvert-Lewin that's a given, but it's not that simple to find the right player and then get him to sign.

We have a decent enough squad to get us close to mid-table if we can get Calvert-Lewin fit and playing or find a decent replacement.

Dan Nulty
73 Posted 26/07/2023 at 12:37:03
Not sure why anyone would turn their nose up at Maguire. I think he'd fit in to how we want to play comfortably.

He just looks like someone who needs to step out of the spotlight for a bit. I think he will end up at West Ham though because they will have the money to pay a transfer fee.

Andrew Ellams
74 Posted 26/07/2023 at 12:38:59
Raymond, so your plan would be to send a threadbare senior squad out into a new season unprepared and short of match practice so the manager can get a look at the younger players? Not sure that works.
Raymond Fox
75 Posted 26/07/2023 at 12:55:23
Andrew, we have at the moment with the exception of Mina the same squad as last season. Dyche doesnt need to risk the first teamers, as long as they are fit and ready to go, theres still pre season games to come in any case.

The state the clubs in, this season was never going to be great it will just be about being good enough to prevent relegation.

Not what we aspire to but it is what it is.

George Cumiskey
76 Posted 26/07/2023 at 12:57:09
The DoF working his socks off to sign a couple of strikers?

Wasn't he working his socks off in January to get a striker in, and what happened there?

Andrew Ellams
77 Posted 26/07/2023 at 13:02:49

Why on earth would he want to send a thin squad into a new season short on practice?

Dale Self
78 Posted 26/07/2023 at 13:16:37
George,76. Frank fucked that up. Having to get rid of Frank and Moshiri not being prepared complicated any talks Thelwell tried to conduct (see Danjuma).

Start figuring out the Frank factor here. It takes a while to work out of holes like that. Just like real life.

David Bromwell
79 Posted 26/07/2023 at 13:35:03
I didn't get to see the game last night, but I have enjoyed reading the posts this morning.

There were just a few snippets from those that watched the match to give me a little hope and encouragement. These were mostly about some of the youngsters but it was good to read the positive comments concerning Virginia's performance.

It would be good to see a couple of the youngsters break through and be included on the bench for each game and I hope that this is in the manager's thoughts.

David Hallwood
80 Posted 26/07/2023 at 13:38:03
Got it in 1, George Cumiskey(76#), indeed WTF has the elusive DoF been doing since he came in?

I started watching Toffee TV about 4 years ago (now a premier member and worth every penny) and at the time they had Andy 'The Piv' who is a moneyball type of scout, all metrics and stats and Baz and they would reel of a dozen names of up and coming footballers from obscure leagues, some of them are now worth millions.

Surely we've got people doing a similar job; doing a Brighton/Brentford, and given our parlous finances it's baffling that we keep getting linked with so-so strikers from relegated teams.

Not to bring in a striker in January to my mind was a sackable offence, because it nearly cost us our premier league status, remember we were a Dacouri goal away from relegation.

So why we didn't have a striker the second the transfer window was open in January was baffling, now history is repeating itself it goes beyond dereliction of duty.

Dale Self
81 Posted 26/07/2023 at 13:45:32
That’s crap David. Let me know if you need more details.
Barry Rathbone
82 Posted 26/07/2023 at 13:46:11
"Everton took on Bolton tonight at the Toughsheet"

Does that qualify as a malapropism?

Stuart Sharp
83 Posted 26/07/2023 at 13:54:10
I was there last night, and despite generally being the optimistic type, came away thinking that little has changed. The first half produced a few good moves but had that 'we're never going to score' feel that we all know so well.

The second half was daft in my view. Yes, take a further look at youngsters, but after the Tranmere game did we really need to put them all on together? Surely it would be better to judge potential alongside first team regulars - so a good mix?

I don't see what Dyche can learn in those 45 that he can't learn watching the youth team. Maybe just that the forward players struggle against a big and experienced centre-back. For me, only Virginia really caught the eye.

I can see Mills coming good with a bit more experience based on previous games, but last night was all a bit flat. I agree with others that we need another centre-back, but then I'm not sure I'd have let Coady go.

Tony Abrahams
84 Posted 26/07/2023 at 14:32:53
Dyche probably changed the team, because he has been working them very hard on the training ground and he has got two more games plus another two and a half weeks to get his players fully prepared, without risking any avoidable injuries?

David @80. Someone I know is attracting a bit of attention from a few Championship clubs, and the detail in the dossier that one particular club has put together, looks very professional and impressively done.

Maybe because they are a very stable football club, and see this kid as someone for the future rather than for right now, gives them an advantage, because when it comes to Everton, we just look like a football club with that much instability, that we have closed the door to a real pathway?

Cannon, Price and Warrington, all going on loan makes sense imo, because unless a player is genuinely ready, then hanging around at Finch Farm playing Under-21s football, doesn't appear to be doing much to aid real development?

Christy Ring
85 Posted 26/07/2023 at 15:28:40
How anyone can say Maguire would be a class act for us is beyond me. There's a reason why he was dropped by Ten Hag, I know he's English, but how Southgate kept picking him and Henderson, with outstanding young talent overlooked is why they haven't pushed on. Maguire has 2 years left on his contract, and is digging his heels in for a payoff. Hope to see Branthwaite and Garner starting against Stoke, and how far off is Calvert-Lewin from starting, rumours of Roma looking for a loan deal for him?Link
David Hallwood
86 Posted 26/07/2023 at 16:10:07
If the David you refer to is me Dale( #81) please elaborate on what's crap.
Dale Self
87 Posted 26/07/2023 at 17:20:05
Ah good David, yes I believe it is crap due to considerable exaggeration and misplaced blame.

First, what’s the DoF been doing is supply us with decent young talent. Without dragging others into it some well respected posters list Onana, McNeil , Patterson and Garner as solid acquisitions. Please address that part.

Then citing that some podcast has identified some players that are now worth millions more seems to bypass the difficulties of finance and negotiations. If you will recall Kudus was desiring a move here when the structure of proposed payments undermined Thelwell’s ability to secure Kudus’ interest.

And then the not bringing in a striker after Frank arguably destroyed the team form and Moahiri dithered on a new appointment. This is the most selective criticism of a functional official for Everton that I have seen. Thelwell did everything a DoF can do to get results and you want to go right past the obvious problems and slander his efforts.

I think that juat about covers it. No offence but that was crap.

Peter Mills
88 Posted 26/07/2023 at 17:41:27
Dave#54, Danny#60. The boys were with us in their new kits, their Mum insists on all blue, she’s not going to wash white shorts and socks. Personally I prefer the all blue, despite usually being a traditionalist. The lads are only 7 and 8, they got a bit cold and tired, but it’s all part of their education.

I attended the first game at the Reebok in 1997, and Bolton fans I know still moan to me about the “over the line” goal that Terry Phelan cleared, conveniently forgetting the foul on Southall by Blake in the lead up to it.

4 years later I was in their family enclosure with my dad, brother and sister when Stubbs scored a screamer from a free kick. I leapt up and was subject to half an hour of foul abuse from Bolton fans who were with their kids. Feeble.

In subsequent visits there I have been amongst Bolton supporters who were listening for any trace of a Scouse accent, and shouting for stewards to evict anyone guilty of having one. I’ve always found such behaviour quite pathetic, so it was a great pleasure when, in 2013, I was in amongst them again when Jonny Heitinga scored a last minute winner in the snow. A huge roar went up, a few indignant Bolton fans stood up to complain, then sat down very quickly when they saw there were about 200 Blues in their midst.

Billy Shears
89 Posted 26/07/2023 at 18:28:02
Negatives... we didn't score.

Positives... we keep our unbeaten run going, as we're going to need to pick up points quickly at the start of the season.

Dyche needs to challenge the lads from the off with keeping clean sheets and not being easy for teams to simply play through us, plus we need to compete more in all our away games.

Billy Shears
90 Posted 26/07/2023 at 18:47:27
We simply need a spark... sign up Merelos and scour the world for a central midfielder who can really create for us and drive us forward and most importantly... score some fucking goals!
Paul Tran
91 Posted 26/07/2023 at 18:55:36
Morelos is a one-season wonder with a very suspect temperament. The kind of guy we'll end up with on deadline day if we're desperate enough.
Mike Gaynes
92 Posted 26/07/2023 at 19:06:49
Paul Tran,

Morelos actually grew up and calmed down a bit – only one red card in the last 3 years – but everything I've read says he's become a lazy ass with an expanding belly. And supposedly the only offer he's gotten is from... wait for it... Azerbaijan.

Paul Tran
93 Posted 26/07/2023 at 19:34:25
Yes, Mike, less red cards, put on the pounds.

Either way, lack of discipline, suspect attitude. Can't see Dyche buying anyone like that.

Dave Abrahams
94 Posted 26/07/2023 at 21:18:51
Peter (88), Yes it was a long day for two young boys to go through and not even a goal or two for them to look back on, still I bet they enjoyed being among a couple of thousand Everton fans, although I bet they are used to that anyway.

They are getting a good education in how to follow the Blues, pity they are not getting an awful lot of joy at the moment, but it will come and they at least are enjoying playing for their teams. Have they been involved in any summer tournaments? Keep us informed, Peter.

Peter Mills
95 Posted 26/07/2023 at 21:43:12
Dave #94. They are learning that you have to fight to win, and be more skilful than your opponents.

No Summer tournaments, just friendly games which have been good for them both.

There will be a few more before both lads start their seasons at the end of the month. Each of them playing on Saturday and Sunday mornings, 4 games to take in – I can't wait.

Ralph Basnett
96 Posted 27/07/2023 at 05:36:20
Scary thing is he is still persisting with Keane when obviously not good enough.
Dave Abrahams
97 Posted 27/07/2023 at 09:13:07
Peter (95),

I bet you can't wait. I got a lot of enjoyment watching Tony growing up and playing with the same group of lads from the age of 8. They started off being good but the team got better with each season.

I hope Sam and Charlie do the same with their teams while continuing to enjoy playing at the same time, best of luck to both of them, and yourself of course.

Peter Mills
98 Posted 27/07/2023 at 09:22:22
Thank you, Dave. I hope to see you when Mike visits at the end of September.
George Cumiskey
99 Posted 27/07/2023 at 14:15:22
I see Jordan Henderson has gone to Saudi Arabia to continue his fight for human rights and gay and LGBT community rights. What a man!

Oh, wait a minute… 😱

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