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Stoke City 0 - 1 Everton

Everton visit the Bet365 Stadium and home of Stoke City this afternoon for their penultimate pre-season friendly, kicking off at 3 pm. 

A number of first-team players have yet to feature in any of the pre-season games but, with James Garner, Jarrad Branthwaite and Demarai Gray back from international duty and new loanee Arnaut Danjuma now in full training with the squad, Sean Dyche should have a bigger group to select from for today's game.

Fitness concerns still appear to be the limiting factor for Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Seamus Coleman, and Dele Alli as they recover from their respective injuries, while the situation regarding Jean-Phillipe Gbamin remains a mystery after his claim of not returning to Everton appears so far to be true. 

New signings Young and Danjuma both start, with Dobbin and two goalies on the bench.

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Stoke showed better, dominating the opening stages, Young booked for winning the ball but catching an opponent on the ankle. Stoke kept testing the Everton defensive structure, until Everton were able to break but McNeil was pulled back. From the free-kick, Doucouré's close-range shot was well blocked.

The rest of the first half was played out in a similar manner, with Stoke leading on points at the break but unable to get past Pickford and the Everton defence. 

It was much the same in the second half until right at the end when the fortunate sequence form a late corner saw Tarkowski head generally toward Onana who bundled the ball off the Stoke keeper and into the net.

Everton: Pickford, Patterson, Keane (46' Branthwaite), Tarkowski, Young [Y:8'], Gana, Garner (46' Onana), Doucoure (83' Onyango), Iwobi, Danjuma (46' Maupay), McNeil (69' Dobbin).
Subs not Used: Virginia, Crellin, Godfrey, Hunt.


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Terry Davies
1 Posted 29/07/2023 at 12:00:45
Will Everton TV be working during the game this time?
Si Pulford
2 Posted 29/07/2023 at 12:17:37
Can anyone confirm whether or not as a season ticket holder I get the game free if I sign into the website?
Liam Mogan
3 Posted 29/07/2023 at 12:21:03
Yes you get it when you log in on Everton tv
Liam Mogan
4 Posted 29/07/2023 at 12:22:17
It's not very user friendly though and can be a bit unreliable.

No comments on the commenting

Terry Davies
5 Posted 29/07/2023 at 12:38:24
A bit?
Richard Lyons
6 Posted 29/07/2023 at 12:45:20
Is DCL ever going to be fit again?
Colin Malone
7 Posted 29/07/2023 at 12:47:39
Lets go and get that that French centre half.
French football player.Wendy Renard,
Paul Ferry
8 Posted 29/07/2023 at 12:52:48
Yes Richard, and I must confess these/your trite little quips are somewhat boring now.

Have a look at the latest training video and comments on it.

While I share frustration when it comes to DCL, and also worry about whether he is dependable, the hackneyed dress/clothes remarks (that some, apparently, think are so so smart and hilarious) and the sick-note mantra are pure tedium on a page.

Dale Self
9 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:00:40
Paul 8, to be fair to Richard he was just setting it up for some of the more regular piss takers. We really don’t know if it would be a good routine until our usual pilers take their shot with an accessory joke. It really is a bit of a struggle trying to get right with the new coach. The Frank thing, shhh.
Si Pulford
10 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:02:58
Thanks for the log in info.

Share the frustration RE: DCL scepticism. While I understand it to a certain extent it boils my piss at the match hearing people talking about him breaking. Fingernail etc.

Paul Ferry
11 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:06:03
Fair Dale, fair. Hopefully your pre-emption is a shot across the bows.

Great, or is it scary, to see the 'Tickets and Travel - Aston Villa (a)' thread up and running! Will watch the Stoke match later, meeting one of my oldest friends in Islington in a couple of hours who just landed at Heathrow after 10 months at the Huntington Library in LA/San Marino!

Dale Self
12 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:12:22
Actually Paul, I’m much more on the comedy angle of that now. It’s been long enough to take seriously when the criticism is not serious at all.

Ive been working on taking a cue, say from an early Ben King or Anthony Hughes jibe and then I take that thing to logic hell. I even get some fishing done. Good times.

John McFarlane Snr
13 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:16:05
Hi Paul [8] I can't understand the abuse some on this site give to players, when an "He's not good enough" is sufficient.
John Hall
14 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:18:06
Is this game for 3 points? Just think how close we've been to playing Stoke in the Championship over the last 2 season relegation battles. I'm so happy we're still in the Prem, but for how long? I can't handle another 6 month battle to avoid relegation again
Dale Self
15 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:29:03
We put in a bid for Dia that would also ship Maupay. Even if Dia is just backup I think I'm will okay with that. 16 m euros was initially rejected.
Jamie Crowley
16 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:29:36
The season starts in two weeks, and I don't blame a soul for being frustrated at DCL's injury woes.

This squad can't afford its striker being injured half the season. And we can't afford a slow start to the season, so we desperately need DCL healthy come the Fulham game.

Him missing today due to fitness concerns scares the bajeezuz out of me.

With the track record of injury, I feel like I'm walking on eggshells when I think of Dom playing, all the while wondering if this Danjuma kid is any good and can he fill in if Dom is injured? And that's a legitimate concern and frustration, because the Dom has been constantly hurt and out of the squad, so the likelihood we're going to need Danjuma to produce is quite high.

It's scary. I'd honestly love a boring, mid-table season this year. Just no relegation fears, no stress, no looking into the abyss. Oh, the bliss that would be.

Kevin Molloy
17 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:32:05
which mentalist thought stoke would be a nice warm up game. It'll be nice for the home crowd to see a genuine top flight outfit for once, and a nice kick up the arse for us, as our chaps look around the vitality or whatever it's called, and think how we could have been playing them for real next week.
Dale Self
18 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:33:06
I am guessing that until we have the possible other striker signed wr are not going to risk Dom coming off early for any reason. Would raise all prices 10-15% that.
Jamie Crowley
19 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:37:08
Dale -

Here's me thinking Danjuma actually is "the possible other striker".

I don't see us signing another. It'll be fingers crossed Dom stays healthy, and if he goes down Danjuma or Gray up top.

If we pop Maupay up there I'll go postal.

Peter Thistle
20 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:42:04
How has the squad not played more games by now ? Subbing the first team for u21's against Bolton was stupid, They need serious game time with the season so close. Only 2 games left now to get everyone match fit, it's daft
Dale Self
21 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:49:13
Jamie, better Dias ahead mate! Denis did well to bring up some spirits yesterday with some observations. Fact is, we probably could get by with Danjuma up front. We are likely weighing options this window against what we may be able to do next window. Obviously we don’t want to cut it close which is bad for asset prices and more. I do think we are looking at lower range options to keep a play possible next window unless we get a gift from the football gods.
Dave Abrahams
22 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:57:40
I think Dominic has worked his plums off during the summer break in order to be ready for an early start in the season, let’s see how that goes.

Looking at Danjuma on Utube ( take it or leave it) I think he will have us off our seats at times with excitement and leave us frustrated as well but his flair is something we have missed for quite awhile.

Just get a few more players in and have a steady squad to give us more highlights in a worry free season and a good run in one of the cups.

Jamie Crowley
23 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:57:50
Having summer fully upon us, I need to look into this Dias fella. Admittedly I know nothing.

Has anyone heard anything about the MSP situation?? Good Lord we need the investment! It's like crickets, and that, too, scares me silly.

Can you pop three commas in a nine-word sentence?

Alex Gray
24 Posted 29/07/2023 at 13:59:28
You've got to feel sorry for Dyche. Two windows and spent a grand total of nothing, and get a full preseason of half a squad whilst our board pocketed 7 million. Amazing for two years in a row we're even weaker knowing how close to peril we were.

We've not signed a competent striker since Lukaku. That was 2014. We got lucky with Dom for a year or so but the list of strikers we've signed since then is staggering. Kone, Niasse, Sandro, Valencia, Maupay, Rondon, Tosun and an ancient Eto and Rooney so I don't hold much faith that we're going to get it right now.

Apologies for the negativity before we play Stoke but if we don't sign a goal-scorer before Fulham I think it's time to protest with our cash. It feels immoral giving these cretins our money when they're destroying our club.

Jamie Crowley
25 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:00:10
Dave -

The one thing that gives me some hope is if we do stay healthy, a big ask based upon the last couple of seasons, I don't see us going down.

The starting squad plus 2-3 back ups is way, way too strong to go down in my opinion.

It's losing the tip of the spear that's frightening.

And let's hope Dom has been working his plums off this off-season. I'm sure he has. I don't doubt his effort or commitment, only his health - not his fault mind you, just the way it is.

Dale Self
26 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:03:26
There is no doubt Danjuma was brill for Bournemouth. Probably some full games on Prem sites to back that up.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
27 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:07:07

If I open the Live Forum, would you be a good chap and post over there instead?

Dave Abrahams
28 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:09:11
Jamie (25) Luck with injuries, definitely Jamie, that’s a key point especially with the small squad we’ve got, start lighting the candles Jamie!
Ian Bennett
29 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:09:58
I think we need to put this striker point to bed. This is not a 2 year problem, it is a problem that has dogged this club for most of the last 30 years.

This is a club that spent £13.5m on Niasse, when it was a shit load of cash. Did anyone actually watch him, and went yes what a brilliant player?

This is a club that sold Lukuku in 2017 for £75m, and never brought in a replacement to recover his goals. 6 YEARS AGO.

This is a club that got lucky with their £1.5m signing of DCL, and has watched over 3 transfers windows whilst he's gone lame.

This is a club that appears not to know what a good centre forward looks like. The list of duds in the Premier league era is truly frightening.

John Spencer
Mo Johnstone
Brett Angell
Cent Tosun
Neal Maupay
James Beattie
Max Moore

I am sure there are others - but gees what a monumental horror show.

Marc Hints
30 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:10:09
Any other links except logging into Everton?
Dale Self
31 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:12:24
Michael 27, all by myself?
Paul Tran
32 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:12:29
It's a friendly. All about fitness and avoiding injury. Or, if you prefer, another chance to validate your view that we're 'definitely going down'.
Mike Hayes
33 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:17:20
Two goalies on the bench - Everton the gift that keeps giving 🤷🤡🤡
Mike Hayes
34 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:25:54
Out of those misfiring strikers at least Straq scored and Kone got a hat trick Maupay couldn’t find a hat rack 🤷
Shane Corcoran
35 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:25:56
At least we’ll get the answer to one important question. Can Danjuma cut it at Stoke on a wet Saturday afternoon.
Mike Corcoran
36 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:26:10
I posted last week that Danjuma would end up as our main CF whether we like it or not
Mike Corcoran
37 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:26:10
I posted last week that Danjuma would end up as our main CF whether we like it or not
Ian Bennett
38 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:26:29
Team News: Danjuma Starts
Sean Dyche has named his side for today’s friendly against Stoke.

Starting XI: Pickford, Patterson, Keane, Tarkowski (c), Young, Gana, Garner, Doucoure, Iwobi, Danjuma, McNeil.

Substitutes: Virginia, Crellin, Onana, Maupay, Godfrey, Branthwaite, Hunt, Dobbin, Onyango.

Mike Corcoran
39 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:27:19
Apologies for playing 2 up top there
Kieran Kinsella
40 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:30:45
Aside from the striker I’m concerned about depth. Yes we have some injured right now but that’s par for the course in any season. My worry is we’ve released or loaned some of our better under 23s meaning we have a very inexperienced group left to fill the gaps.

That said, the situation with Dele, Gbamin and Gomes is problematic. All on big wages. One doesn’t want to be here, one we can’t shift, the other we can’t afford to play. I just hope some nutter will come along and at least take the first two off our hands.

Ian Bennett
41 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:32:04
So no Coleman, Holgate, Mykolenko, Gray, Gomes, Alli, Gbamin, Cannon, Dcl.

Of which Coleman, Mykolenko and Dcl will come back into the fold, the rest sold or loans.

Iain Johnston
42 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:32:04
With Boulaye Dia am I missing something. I didn't think a club could sell a player a month after purchase. I thought they needed to wait 12 months?
Salernitana have just spent €12m on the bloke from Villarreal.
Dave Williams
43 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:33:00
I’d guess 3 goalies means Pickford will play first half and Virginia second so need a third just in case.
No point risking DCL in a friendly yet- Sporting at home more likely for him.
It looks a good team and if Sean gets them playing to their potential and they are properly fit then we should be ok.
Shane Corcoran
44 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:33:37
Why isn’t Myko involved? He wasn’t injured was he? He’s had a longer break than the two U21 lads. I thought we’d at least see DCL on the bench.
Paul Hughes
45 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:34:32
Dale (26), there is a Bournemouth fansite on YouTube - “Back of the Net” - where they give reasoned, sensible analysis (they gave a very fair report on the Bournemouth game at the end of last season). They were discussing different sides’ chances next season.

When they came to Everton, their view was the the transfer of Danjuma was a bit odd “as he’s not a Dyche-type player”. Their opinion is that while he is an exciting player and will score goals, he’s has never tracked back in his life.

I guess we shall see.

Christy Ring
46 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:38:18
Hopefully Dom is getting back to full fitness, but the pressure has to be taken of him by signing a striker before the season stars. It has to be our no.1 priority after last season, and nothing wrong putting Dom on the bench for a few games. A couple of new players coming in now would definitely make this season a lot more optimistic.
Jay Harris
47 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:38:50
Paul, I think Dyche likes his front players to pressurize the opposition defenders rather than spend time in their own half. Whether Danjuma can be effective for us is yet to be seen.
Joe Digney
48 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:42:33
Anyone got a link for a stream? 🙏
Anthony Hawkins
49 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:43:10
Starting the season with one striker who needs to prove his fitness is a massive gamble. At minimum a backup is required as anyone could get injured during the season and leave a gap - not just DCL
Dale Self
50 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:44:11
Paul 45, I still think Danjuma was the backup move. Get a loan in that could do the job to keep us from getting robbed. He may be an outlet type. Half ass pressure and blocking passing lanes then forcing the opp back line to cover him. Doucoure and the rest will be able to keep defensive pressure.
Eddie Dunn
51 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:59:40
Joe -its on Fotnet24
Soren Moyer
52 Posted 29/07/2023 at 14:59:49
Here you go, Joe:
Chris James
53 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:01:12
I think we all agree with the concerns over the starting striker situation - it's also pretty abundantly clear that the club is trying multiple routes to address this (within the tight confines of our budgets).

Obviously everyone has freedom to voice their concerns, but not sure what benefit the 'we need a striker' remarks really have. They are less annoying than 'xyz player is shit' or 'we're going to do down for sure' or indeed the 'every single problem we have is down to BK' posts, but would be nice to share something more interesting and (dare I say it) positive ahead of the big kick off!

Peter Thistle
54 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:05:04
Idiotic Everton have the stream available free on the club website, even though they are charging 8.99. Don't login, just click the link and it works, muppets.
Dale Self
55 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:06:11
Maybe we could have the luv forum for the uppers and the article thread for the downers, or vice versa.
Mick O'Malley
56 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:06:58
Ian I agree with that list but I thought Beattie was ok, Moyes never used him properly, he ruined many a striker leaving them isolated, Beattie was excellent for Southampton, we really do have a bad record with our strikers though, Lukaku and possibly Andy Johnson, Yakubu and Saha being our only success stories
Gary Fenton
57 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:13:48
is there a forum
Ian Edwards
58 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:14:03
On what I've seen so far this pre season we will struggle to score. Again. Why not play Danjuma, Maupay and Cannon as a front three
Gary Fenton
59 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:15:33
over 10 minutes gone not sure we have been in Stokes half
Ian Edwards
60 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:16:34
Said it before and will say it again. Idrissa Gueye brings the square root of absolutely fuck all to the team.
Ian Edwards
61 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:19:15
So far Danjuma is the new Sinms/Maupay. Isolated and no service and will be a whipping boy on social media by October.
Peter Thistle
62 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:21:32
we still lack a creative midfielder to do somethin a bit special. happens when you play with two defensive midfielders sadly.
Rob Birks
63 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:24:10
We are being bossed by Stoke City!
Say it slowly and it doesn't hurt so much.
Shane Corcoran
64 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:25:35
Graham Stuart is tough going.
Peter Thistle
65 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:26:08
That sums up Iwobi, simple cross needed and he fooks it up :(
Soren Moyer
66 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:29:35
Awful. Just awful.
Gary Fenton
67 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:33:00
No idea what so ever again, sick of its for fitness 2 weeks to go yet, no change to last season no get up and go no striker, going to be a long season I guess
Dave Abrahams
68 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:33:42
Everton TV as usual crap can’t get past ‘ Become a member ‘

Looks like I’m not missing much.

Going to see someone in hospital, think that will be more fun.

Ian Edwards
69 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:33:50
Really concermed about another season with this midfield and "attack". Really concerned.
Marc Hints
70 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:35:05
Well this is the worst £8.99 I have ever spent
Worrying times if this is the team for the season
Kieran Kinsella
71 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:35:17
Paul Hughes

It’s an interesting point on Danjuma not tracking back or being a Dyche type. But you could say the same of Mirallas under Moyes who at times was brilliant. Hopefully Dyche agreed on Danjuma and has plans for him and he’s not just being imposed on him by Thelwell.

David Nicholls
72 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:36:08
Hopefully this lethargic start is due to the players getting absolutely beasted during the week…
Eddie Dunn
73 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:38:07
Our midfield looks slow and lacking ideas...nothing going through the middle. Utterly uninspiring at the moment.
Ian Edwards
74 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:38:44
Mark 70. It's free if you don't log in and just click on the link 😂
Dale Self
75 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:39:17
Dave 68, do what Peter 54 suggests. Just click the watch link and then hit the play button and nothing else then youre in.

And we are legged from our in week work. Take it easy. Or don’t.

Jim Bennings
76 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:40:56
Still haven't replaced Sigurdsson and James Rodriguez let alone signed any strikers.

We have to back Dyche but the pressure on having a solid unit defensively this season will be absolutely pivotal because like most years now, goals and creativity will be sparse.Link

Peter Thistle
77 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:42:24
They don't play as a team at all, bunch on unorganised players with no clue what they're supposed to be doing. Tempted to blame the training, don't they work on running into space and moving forward as a unit ?
Brian Williams
78 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:42:50
Our players are two weeks from their "peak." Two weeks makes a helluva difference.

Unfortunately not to the moaning though.

Soren Moyer
79 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:43:08
Its not free anymore. Just use this link:
Bill Fairfield
80 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:51:14
I know it’s about fitness at this point, but this is an awful watch.
Peter Thistle
81 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:51:43
pretty grim half
Iakovos Iasonidis
82 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:54:11
Thank you for the link soren
Eddie Dunn
83 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:55:09
well at HT Ashley Young looks a cut above the others again. As Snods said, perhaps the lads are being beasted in training because they all look shattered.
Paul Hughes
84 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:56:12
Just watched the last 30 minutes. Pretty dreadful. The number of times that we’ve given the ball away is scary. No penetration up front.
Defensively, Patterson has done well and Young looks class.
McNeil trying hard, the rest of the midfield anonymous.
Ian Bennett
85 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:56:34
Iwobi is technically our best player - but today proves why we shouldn't be sticking him on a long term deal.

He might not be a right winger, but the execution of basics is sadly missing. £100k a week, I think not.

Gary Fenton
86 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:56:39
Even Graham Stuart said the coin toss was the highlight of the half
Kevin Molloy
87 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:57:42
I watched that game trying to work out who the 11th man was, finally heard Garner's name mentioned. Bloody hell he needs to be a bit more involved than this.
Mick Davies
88 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:59:06
Soren, thanks for the link, one of the best I've ever clicked on, no repetitive ads and as clear as Kenwright's conscience
Kevin Molloy
89 Posted 29/07/2023 at 15:59:27
the elephant in the room surely isn't going to be in ahead of Brahtnwaite come the start is he?
John Hall
90 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:00:03
Great link Soren, the highlight of the first half!
Tony Everan
91 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:01:05
This is a good workout against a championship team on their own pitch. They are a week ahead of us fitness wise and this game will brings us up a notch. Stoke are not giving us an inch, just like Fulham won’t be in two weeks time.

There’s a lot of rustiness in the team, errant passing that will get punished in a Premier League match. It needs stamping out before he season starts. Pickford needs to calm down a bit too.

We need a bit more quality in the final third. As ever we need that focal point up front. Someone to grab possession from a forward ball from midfield or win a long ball. Even in this friendly it’s obvious we need that addressing asap if DCL is out.

Chris James
92 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:01:42
Defensively solid. McNeil looks decent and there's some promising attacking down the right also. As we ALL know we do lack that target though in the middle - a centre-forward with presence will make all the difference.

Part of me wonders if Dyche is playing this way to underline that point.

Ian Edwards
93 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:03:18
What is the latest with DCL. How far away from full fitness is he? Will he play v Fulham?
Eddie Dunn
94 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:03:47
Having seen highlights of the likes of Spurs, Arse, Newcastle, Chelsea and Brighton, it is underwhelming watching our terrible players.
Brent Stephens
95 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:04:22
Ian "So far Danjuma is the new Sinms/Maupay. Isolated and no service and will be a whipping boy on social media by October."

Take your hand off that whip, Ian!

Martin Farrington
96 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:06:17
Ian @ 29. Spot on.
We couldnt even spot Haaland when we had him at the club !!!!
Sandro filled that place.
No striker at u21 good enough.
Kenwrights legacy is truly shocking. And the fat ugly toad is still here.
Peter Thistle
97 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:07:20
ffs, Maupay is being subbed on.
Jay Harris
98 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:08:35
How the hell does Maupay get on in front of Dobbin.
George Cumiskey
99 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:09:16
We are absolutely desperate for a play maker,we've no one at the club who who can put his foot on the ball and pick out a pass, I feel sorry for the new signing he hasn't had one decent pass. McNeill and Iwobi don't cut it for me.
Dale Self
100 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:09:56
We are undefeated! UTFT!
Brent Stephens
101 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:10:54
Maupay on before Dobbin so that Dobbin can learn a few tricks from Maupay before he comes on.
Alex Gray
102 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:12:21
Just got back in for the 2nd half. Saw 0-0 and saw Maupay on the pitch up top. Turned it back off. Highly doubt I'm going to miss a classic. Guessing we've changed the whole team around again?
Martin Farrington
103 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:16:08
Watching the game.
Oh dear. No change from last season.
We are even poor at championship level.
Our midfield has been anonymous.
Why are all 11 in our box from their corner ?
From throw ins why is our first touch to win it back.
Service to Danjuma from the right and midfield is crap.
From the left he wasnt there when it came in.
Looking like a team of strangers again.
Thankfully Stoke are as awful as we are up top.
I am not reassured by the fact that this is a pre season game.

Don Alexander
104 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:16:58
Martin (#96), in fairness, he's lost a bit of weight!
Dale Self
105 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:18:17
You could get weird about this but seeing McNeil, who is typically in good shape, doubled over grabbing shorts at the 35 minute mark tells everything. Dyche is running the shit out of them and Young is the only one up to it.
Gary Fenton
106 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:18:17
Fully agree Martin We can only hope for a miracle
Mick Davies
107 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:20:02
Stoke are bossing this
Peter Thistle
108 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:23:45
Can only think Dyche thinks any creativity is going to come from the wings seeing as our midfield 2 are inept at through balls. If only we had Limpar and Kanchelskis.
Dale Self
109 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:25:09
Tea break
Andrew McLawrence
110 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:25:48
I have a fiver on Mopey bagging a second half hat trick
Alan J Thompson
111 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:26:38
Is Lonergan not the second choice keeper then as I'd have thought whoever it is would have had at least a look at the defence unless it is one of the two on the bench.
Ian Edwards
112 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:26:44
On this form it's another relegation battle and our last game is away at Arsenal.
Peter Thistle
113 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:27:26
we always lose 4-0 away to Arsenal last game of the season
Soren Moyer
114 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:27:43
Our signing of Maupay is surely down to either a poor eyesight of our scout or due to a mistaken identity!
Can't find any other reason tbh!
Dale Self
115 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:28:03
Alright who had Ian on their premature relegation bingo card?
Peter Thistle
116 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:29:32
If Maupay was on form he woulda taken it on
Mick Davies
117 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:30:09
Moped looks like the schoolyard bully who says 'I'm up front' even though he's sht and no one argues
Dale Self
118 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:30:55
Exactly what the commentators said Peter. Graba mic!
Geoff Lambert
119 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:31:11
One goal against three poor teams says it all really. Going to struggle again this season. Why play moppy he is the worst player I have seen at Everton. Makes Tosun look like Pele. Still no Strikers in don't hold your breath no one wants to come here.
Peter Thistle
120 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:31:28
Tom Bowers
121 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:32:09
It probably isn't worth mentioning but a starting eleven without a forward doesn't say much for the regard of Maupay by Dyche.
A truly sad state of affairs so close to the season's start.
Peter Thistle
122 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:32:16
go on Dobbin, be the surprise this season
Ian Edwards
123 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:32:21
Dale 115. Premature?
Iain Johnston
124 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:32:40
Sorry but the squad hasn't shown me a single thing either in formation or outfield play to suggest to me this coming season will be any different from the last two.
Soren Moyer
125 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:32:40
FFS! McNeil injured!?
James Potter
126 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:32:52
Let's face it, DCL isn't going to be match fit for Fulham in 2 weeks time if he's not involved today, so stating the obvious, but a proper striker or focal point is desperately needed, not a winger who can play centrally, but a specialist centre forward.

Otherwise, I fear a repeat result against Fulham like back in April where we got done 1-3 at home.

Peter Thistle
127 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:32:53
christ, why does Gueye ever shoot
Martin Farrington
128 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:32:56
Haaland or 🤬💩🤡wright
Alex Gray
129 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:33:12
Just heard Mcneils gone off injured? That true?
Peter Thistle
130 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:33:39
gone off, injured is unconfirmed
Brent Stephens
131 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:33:46
Dale #115 - everybody!
Mick Davies
132 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:33:56
Jeez, we can't afford to lose Mcneil, he looks like the only pro in a blue shirt
Soren Moyer
133 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:34:14
Could be precautionary, Alex.
Mike Powell
134 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:35:22
I think all our players are colour-blind – they don't seem able to pass to a blue shirt.
Peter Thistle
135 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:36:09
I wonder if Dyche can see we need to sign a creative midfielder, would make the world of difference (not Barkley btw).
Ian Edwards
136 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:36:20
Hello Brent. I presume you think we are heading for Europe or something.
Keith Gleave
137 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:37:08
Bilal is going to Atalanta and we were willing to pay £20+ M for him. Chukwueze went to AC for that. I know they could offer Europe.
I just hope things are quiet because they are trying to keep things up their sleeves but we need a striker.
Kieran Kinsella
138 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:37:16
Maginot line tactic. 38 0-0 draws good enough we should be safe.
Mick Davies
139 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:37:17
Maupay got McNeil injured with a stupid pass, because he doesn't have the confidence to shoot himself (I wish he would shoot himself)
Rob Birks
140 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:37:33
I really don't see the pros or hype in Onana at all.
Lazy, and a consumate ball watcher. Can't shoot, make a forward pass, poor header of the ball but hey he's a decent clapper!
Nah, not for me.
Jay Harris
141 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:38:18
Over 70 minutes and not a shot on target against the mighty Stoke who were nearly relegated from the championship last season.
Julian Exshaw
142 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:38:33
Oh please let us sign someone soon or it'll be a long winter!
Peter Thistle
143 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:38:43
lol Kieran, if only
Dale Self
144 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:41:05
The tackling Rob. Top shelf without many fouls
Martin Farrington
145 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:41:43
We make pedestrian seem fast paced.
Why hasnt dyche given others off the bench a go. We all know maupay is the capital U of Useless.
Raymond Fox
146 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:41:55
Its a glorified training game chaps we know we are not Man City, what happens here except injuries does not count.

First game of the Prem. season is when it gets serious.

James Potter
147 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:43:08
I know it's only pre-seaon, but no goals against league 1 Bolton or Championship Stoke doesn't bode well, albeit I'm also not particularly surprised either.
Si Pulford
148 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:44:15
Ask any pro manager or player and they’ll tell you pre season results mean nothing. It’s just about getting fit. Dyche has said he wants the fittest squad in the league.

That said- a bit of entertainment would be nice!

James Potter
149 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:45:41
Well then Raymond, we have 14 days to improve before Fulham at home or we'll get a repeat of the April game at goodison. Let's hope there's some sort of transformation in between.
Julian Exshaw
150 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:46:58
I still think we need more creativity in CM, it's all safe balls, sideways and backwards. Need more penetration, runners breaking into the box (says he who knows nothing about tactics).
Chris James
151 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:47:03
Presumably Dobbin is now shit too?
Soren Moyer
152 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:47:31
At this point I'll be glad if we signed Luuk de Jong from PSV. Available for 4m!
Peter Thistle
153 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:47:37
The lack of shots on target is concerning, it's still last season
Dale Self
154 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:48:27
I know it doesn’t really mean anything but if it feels like something isn’t it then psychologically something? I mean, our squad is not the strongest mentally. This might mean something bad. Really bad.
Jamie Crowley
155 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:48:38
Si @ 148 -


Brent Stephens
156 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:48:39
Hello, Ian. Don't be silly.
Alex Gray
157 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:49:47
Pre season is about fitness. However if you're expecting us to be a goal threat in two weeks time i'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. We're trash. A disjointed midfield with no creativity, wingers who don't create and a French umpa lumpa that's convinced the world he can play football up top. Last summer we needed attackers, January we needed attackers and we still need attackers.
Darryl Ritchie
158 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:50:41
Same old! Same old!
Jamie Crowley
159 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:50:53
Hold your powder and wait until Fulham.

These games mean nothing. Dyche is a good manager, pragmatic, and he won’t play wreckless. They might be focusing on shape or defensive solidity for all we know.

Fulham matters. This doesn’t.

Peter Thistle
160 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:52:05
I hear ya but man it's hard to watch
Martin Farrington
161 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:55:12
Ok. Think positive.
Cant blame the players.
They are who they are.
They may get better and sharper after this.
Fitness definitely will count as games are now 100mins +
Jim Bennings
162 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:55:57
We need four strikers to start giving us some options.

In 2007/08 Moyes had Yakubu, Johnson, Vaughan, Anichebe and McFadden, not to mention the likes of Cahill who scored goals.

If I was Dyche I'd just try and pad out the squad now with forwards of any ilk, can we get three of Vardy, Che Adams, Wout Weghorst, Kelechi Iheanacho or one or two we've chased abroad?

They are hardly glamours but we need numbers NOW.

Peter Thistle
163 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:56:14
the only plus side was spotting a few nice lookin women in the Everton end
Andrew Clare
164 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:56:28
I remember the comments on here last pre-season about the friendlies being meaningless and look what happened last season - we were nearly relegated!
If we don't get a couple of strikers in and a good central defender we are well and truly screwed.
Soren Moyer
165 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:56:42
Only thing I learned from this friendly, is that we should keep Gray. At least for now.
Chris James
166 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:58:26
I do genuinely like the look of Dobbin with his pace. Needs a bit more composure in the box, but he's getting into good positions and posing questions.

I also don't think the midfield is uncreative, just needs more upfront to aim at. A target man and some pace.

On the flipside, I don't like to diss any Everton players without due cause, but Maupay seems to have added broad disinterest to a lack of forward talent - he can go now!

Bill Fairfield
167 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:58:48
Onana. Well who’d have thought it. Awful match.
Chris James
168 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:58:56
...and there's your goal. KITAP1 is back!! ;-)
Si Pulford
169 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:59:44
Andrew we’re unbeaten this pre season. Miles apart from last season. Europe here we come!!!!
Peter Thistle
170 Posted 29/07/2023 at 16:59:58
Lol at the crowd "we're gonna win the league", gotta love our fans
Soren Moyer
171 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:00:10
Fergi time lol.
Mick Davies
172 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:00:51
Onana has worked hard, he deserved that
Iakovos Iasonidis
173 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:01:20
Midtable championship team. This is where we are at the moment. One month to change that but I wouldn't hold my breath. We are skint and to be honest I am not excepting more than 2 more signings and only if we sell first. Not good. Don't care much about the result but what I see I don't like.
Si Pulford
174 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:02:40
That’s the spirit Lakovos.

Wonder how you’d be if we got beat. 😂

Jay Harris
175 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:02:52
Looks like Onana is still carrying that groin problem and hopefully McNeil is only a bag of ice away from fitness.
Iakovos Iasonidis
176 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:03:56
Just being honest si, if you like what you see good for you!
Soren Moyer
177 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:04:48
Took a lot of courage to watch this, let alone travel to Stoke. Well done to our travelling fans.
Alan McGuffog
178 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:05:07
Someone please explain why Cannon seems destined not to figure for us this season.
Si Pulford
179 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:05:15
Just joking mate. Two ways of looking at everything. It’s fitness first result second. We got both.

Admittedly it wasn’t pretty but they won’t care.

Joe McMahon
180 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:06:08
I've just got back from the pub, I can see I ain't missed much. But well done those who travelled to the potteries. It doesnt take ainstein to realise we need goal scorers and Lukaku aside since Cottee we always have done. Yes I've had a few sherberts buts that's how it is. Everton and Goals has always been a issue from late teens and I'm 54 in a few weeks.
Si Pulford
181 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:06:11
Alan they’re going to loan him to continue his development in the championship. Leo he’s been injured.
Martin Farrington
182 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:07:26
I take it all back. Perfection.
Corner straight off the training ground. The impressive Dobbin, smashes to Iwobi whose delicate touch takes him 10 yards back to the right hand corner of the 18 yd box. He turns. Clips to just outside the far post where 5 yards out Tarky salmonesque leap nods the ball across goal. Onana parallel to the floor, feet first, bounces his arse on the ground to get the necessary momentum and trajectory to stud the ball past the Stoke keeper (who clearly did not fancy diving onto that) and over the line
"We're gonna win the league"
Kunal Desai
183 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:07:38
There are 6-7 points which Everton should be getting out of Fulham, Wolves and Sheff.Utd, but with this squad I genuinely believe we will throw away points and get 2 or 3 from these fixtures.
Iakovos Iasonidis
184 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:08:10
Don't care about result, really don't but we are toothless upfront and we had almost 2 years to fix that.
Bill Gall
185 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:12:19
What can you take from that------nothing.
Observation -------- goals in ff must be bigger as no one seems able to hit a standard sized goal.
Hope Dyche has a good idea what his starting 11 will be as there seem no cohesion in what we are seeing in this game, definitely disappointing even for a pre - season game.
Barry Hesketh
186 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:15:30
I think some believe that this Everton squad should somehow transform themselves into an attacking free-flowing team, when the last couple or more seasons proves we don't have the players for that type of game.

Frank thought he could work his magic and the football would improve, he was wrong, because we don't have those type of players and he paid the price. A lack of goalscorer is a major concern, but it's the lack of overall creativity that means we are going to see a lot more of the types of games we've seen during pre-season.

It's not a lack of confidence that's holding us back it's a lack of class players, take Iwobi - yes him - out of the side and we have zero creativity and apparently no funds to add any during the window. I'm far from happy with the situation, but I'm realistic enough to know what we're probably going to see for most of the coming season, I'm not looking forward to it in purist terms, but I'm hoping that we can earn enough points and another stay of execution.

It's going to take an enormous amount of courage to watch Everton in every game next season, it's not what we'd like, but it is what it is.

Ian Bennett
187 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:16:24
Stoke are a bang average Championship side. Thank god we weren't relegated...
Joe Hurst
188 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:18:03
Always reminds me of “Games Wipe” by Charlie Brooker whenever that club is mentioned:

(Talking about “Call Of Duty”

“You go around endlessly in a depressing town, looking for jobs to do, iI’s like living in Stoke”😆


Si Pulford
189 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:19:11
Spot on Barry. Everyone needs to get a grip and crack on. After this season we’ll have more room to manoeuvre in terms of lthe P&S three year rolling period passing and we’ll be in better shape for FFP and with a new stadium. Maybe then we can raise our expectations but this season is all about survival.
Dave Evans
190 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:19:29
Onana probably still coping with injury, so he was only on for one half.
Many great tackles. A defence splitting pass and a goal. But is he good enough for us and the rest of our quality players?
Bobby Mallon
191 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:20:17
Why do people say we have to back Dyche. No we don’t. He’s a fucking boring manager and we are going to play shit defence football this season. Get Bielsa or any other manager who only plays attacking football as I can’t bare another season of dead pan footy.
Will Mabon
192 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:21:18
2021 = 2022 = 2023.
Terry McLavey
193 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:21:22
Dear me! I dozed off 3 times, filed my nails (before you start I play fingerstyle acoustic guitar)
Still begs the question Maupay why?
Are we playing him to sell him?
Might have more of a chance of selling him if interested clubs DON'T see him play!
At least one of our girls was in a 5 0 win for Sweden so the days not a total write off!
Eddie Dunn
194 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:28:51
It's clear that we are going to be scrapping to hold on to one-nil leads, much the same as last season and the one before.
The plusses..Young, Branthwaite and Dobbin.
We are miles off the top six, and some way off top ten, but we simply have to get the most out of this squad and avoid another relegation dogfight.
I hoe we can just sneak in someone who can pop 5 or 6 goals in.
Joe McMahon
195 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:29:34
Yes the squad is awful, we have no money thanks to Kenwrights decisions a dated image. But please don't put too much faith in the manager to keep us up, it's nearly impossible as it is, but he will always stickk to a rigid formation.

I live near Burnley and have family members who are Clarets (my wife's side) they are greatful to Sean but glad he was sacked after 10 years.

Steve Brown
196 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:32:22
Branthwaite and Young were our better players.

Liked young Dobbins energy, but he isn’t the answer as centre forward. Nor are Maupay and Danjuma.

The midfield though was my main concern. It was really poor.

Dale Self
197 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:32:28
Oh dear! I can’t remember the live forum poster on the last previous transfer day so apologies to them but……..Onana for Everyone! UTFT!
Ed Prytherch
198 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:32:54
Branthwaite had a good run out. He is quicker to react than Keane. Dobbin is much better than Maupay. Iwobi was his usual industrious self and Onana was really up for it. A decent preseason performance IMO.

Thanks to the person who posted the link to the Portuguese stream for the Bolton game as it worked a treat again today.

Sean Roe
199 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:33:32
We should try and sign Mitrovic for a week when we play Fulham as he's refusing to play for them. We should be able to afford him on a weeks loan and it will give us a good base to start the season if we win.
Pat Kelly
200 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:34:27
Cheer up ffs. The window’s not closed yet. We could still get rid of most of them.
Alan McGuffog
201 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:37:17
Si, I admire your optimism, genuinely. In a perfect world that indeed is a sovereign plan for Toms future. However the reality is that the club seems unable or unwilling to sign a centre forward to provide back up for, or indeed replace, DCL. We are destined for more of the same this season, we are boracic and a shambles off the field. Maupay is as much use as a bull with tits and so my feelings are that we cannot afford NOT to give Cannon a chance. Unless of course in the next two weeks we unearth an unknown 15 - 20 a season gem for a paltry fee. I shan’t be holding my breath.
Tony Everan
202 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:52:35
Well done to Stan Mills today, scoring five minutes after coming on for his Oxford Utd debut.
Peter Hodgson
203 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:57:49
I'll be as positive as I can and say from what I saw (the picture was lousy as was the sound quality) that there was no shortage of effort although it wasn't very effective.

Dobbin looked promising and if he can gain sufficient confidence he could do well. That doesn't mean a replacement striker for DCL isn't still absolutely necessary It is essential..

People have to stop knocking individual players or the team and give them a chance to improve and gain some confidence. After all they are OUR players who we are relying to dig us out of a hole and to keep lambasting them won't do any good (even though they maybe deserve it).

My one negative note is that I fear we are not going to add anyone of significance to the squad between now and the end of the window. Shame on Moshiri and Kenwright again of that turns out to be true.

Christy Ring
204 Posted 29/07/2023 at 17:59:29
Bobby#191 There's a reason Bielsa was sacked by Leeds, and Dyche kept us up, but he needs the board to give him support, by bringing in a striker and a couple more players this week. I thought Branthwaite looked promising.
Kevin Prytherch
205 Posted 29/07/2023 at 18:00:03
I only saw the first half…

The Danjuma transfer baffles me. There were many occasions in the first half where he was on the touch line instead of near the box, He contributed nothing in the air, and the one cross from Young that everyone in the ground could see where it was going - he was stationary on the edge of the box.

Yet we’ve sold one striker who would have been in the box waiting for that Young cross, and we won’t play another because he’s not ready.

Give me a “not ready” Cannon and Simms ahead of a strikeforce of Maupay and Danjuma, who have got 2 premier league goals in their last 50 premier league appearances between them, any day.

Why do we still continue to not put any faith whatsoever in our own youngsters and instead pay stupid wages to mediocre supposedly “proven” players?

Steve Daniells
206 Posted 29/07/2023 at 18:03:46
I had no problems with the EvertonTV stream, and this was the first pre-season game I watched all the way through.


We won.

Danjuma: He cannot do it all himself but will be a handful for some defenders. I liked him telling his team-mates to get up the pitch.

Young - he adds a lot of quality and will be a good signing for us this season.

Patterson: I have always really liked him. The kid is quality.

Branthwaite stresses me a lot less than Keane. I’d like to see him start vs Sporting.

Dobbin made a difference with his energy, movement, and ambition. Had some chances today and on another day would have buried them.

Garner played some tidy stuff. How can we get him more involved in the game?


McNeill’s injury. Hopefully nothing serious, but him heading straight down the tunnel was concerning.

Keane: He’s not what we need and I fear the Keane-Tarky partnership is Dyche’s preference.

Maupay: We absolutely have to give Dobbin and Cannon a chance if we’re not going to sign any decent attackers. Both scored goals against tough defences last year. Yes, lower league defences, but they scored goals. Maupay hasn’t scored in forever. Against anyone. I seriously doubt if he scores any in training. He’s so bad.

Brent Stephens
207 Posted 29/07/2023 at 18:15:49
Branthwaite was showing a good deal of promise before he went on loan (in the few games he played in the U23s before he went on loan, he was head and shoulders above the rest, in more senses than one). He seemed to get consistently good reports at PSV while on loan. Slotted in comfortably today. I suspect he might be the stand-out improvement this season. With him and Young, that could be a significant improvement to the defence.
Oliver Molloy
208 Posted 29/07/2023 at 18:24:07
Well thank fuck these friendly pre season games are just about fitness. wink wink say no more !
Can not see the positives others on here see with Young - if he is the new left back I reckon he will be skinned left right and centre.
Another tough season ahead, everyone knows what the priority is !
Mick O'Malley
209 Posted 29/07/2023 at 18:28:39
Doom and gloom merchants should be happy, we are what we are, you never know how the lesser spotted DCL might make an appearance soon, we need a focal point upfront desperately, I’m not in the relegation camp as some on here are but we must buy a centre forward because we can’t rely on Maupay and made of glass DCL, these games are about getting match fit but it would be nice to see a bit of cohesion and joined up play
Mick Davies
210 Posted 29/07/2023 at 18:35:38
Edinson Cavani is now a free agent. He may be getting on a bit, but a last hurrah back in the EPL might appeal to him. Kentight could pay is wages out of the millions he's raked out of EFC, to make amends for his decades of mismanagement
Ian Jones
211 Posted 29/07/2023 at 18:41:15
Kevin, agree re youngsters but Simms is now not an option. He's been transferred out
Stephen Davies
212 Posted 29/07/2023 at 18:43:34
Watched the game while sat in the "home" stands. Evertons allocation sold out.

I was doubtful about Young because of his age but he never stopped running, he used his brain well. Him and Iwobi were still looking to go forward in the 95th minute.

For me when Amadou Onana came on, he reminded me of Fellaini (apart from the hair) sometimes clumsy in the tackle but looking for an opportunity to do something.

Jarrad Brathwaite looked really good when he came on.
We do need a striker, the sooner the better.

Kevin Prytherch
213 Posted 29/07/2023 at 18:45:11
Ian 211 - I know, but the point is about getting a mediocre replacement for the same price for only one year on far greater wages…
Ian Edwards
214 Posted 29/07/2023 at 19:02:12
Mick 210. Cavani has signed for Boca Juniors.
Martin Farrington
215 Posted 29/07/2023 at 19:13:42
For the few minutes that Onyango got he held the ball well and laid off well.
He contributed more in precious little time than Maupay did.
Ashley Young is quality.
Branthwaite better than Keane.
Dobbin beats players and crosses way better than Iwobi ( the last minute assist being the exception)
Patterson got beaten and turned each time he committed to a tackle from behind. Especially on the edge of our box. If he just jockies or stays put he will be better. Good otherwise.
McNeil is turning into quality but got taken out. Dobbin was a great replacement.
Iwobi should make way for him.
Danjuma was up for it way more than the rest. Solid addition.
Tark is quality.
Garner would be better in place of Doucoure.
Gueye needs a strong partner but has still got some quality.
Pickford is gonna be busy. He is a brilliant distributer except when he isn't bored and needs to become involved.
Onana is. Onana

Gueye and Garner were over run in midfield.
Doucoure had a chance and was unlucky but was otherwise not in it.
Iwobi cannot cross and offers no goal threat.
Maupay needs to be jettisoned. He is woeful. He is slow. Lousy touch. Lousy distribution. Cannot beat players. Does not have quality in the box.
Keane. Bench warner at best or the 'NEW' Mick Lyons up front.
Onana is. Onana

11 players in our own box from opponents corners and we still look vulnerable.
Throw ins are awful.
No free kick / dead ball specialist player.
We play with wingers and have no striker to cross to.
Crosses into dangerous areas are never met by midfield players or whoever is (in theory) attack.
No one from midfield is coming in. They are generally static on the edge of the box.
When we pass from the back, the opposition get a free go on goal.
Very very vulnerable midfield.
No attacking threat.
No goals in established players, excluding McNeil.

The top 6 clubs have all bought exceptional midfielders.
They are following the 8 (invented by Pep)
Oddly Pep appears to be planning a counter to that this season.

In view of this my concern is how we adapt to that.
Against a lowly championship we were too easily carved via the centre. They were as poor as us up front.

Its getting closer.
My prediction is we may hold our own up until injuries and suspensions.
Another season battling against sides strengthening in depth whilst we remain threadbare.
Aiming for mid table is a mistake as that means we accept numerous defeats.
We have to aim higher.
If we then achieve mid-table that is satisfactory.
Which during a lifetime of being a blue is wholly unsatisfactory.

Danny O’Neill
216 Posted 29/07/2023 at 19:32:53
I'll keep this to bullet points:

It's pre-season. It matters when we face Fulham.

Early doors we had those gaps in midfield.

No outlet up front. Nothing new there for now.

Fullbacks targeted with diagonals. It happened a lot last season.

Young looks young. Experience and anticipation as well as attitude. He isn't shy in standing up to the opposition. I'm liking him already.

Tarkowski leads the line. Just try Branthwaite with him. Keane still worries me. Always has.

Iwobi was bright and trying to be creative. Recovered the ball to create the goal. Tarkowski at the back post to put it back in the danger area.

I was impressed with Patterson. The young man has potential.

We have a talent and potential in young Garner.

We did play some neat stuff at times, particularly down the right.

Onyango looked bright, as did Dobbin. The latter is still a bit raw and fluffed his lines a few times, but give him time. Give them both time. They are positive-thinking players.

Onana grew into the game and got the goal. Did it look like he picked up an injury at the end?

Porto next and then the real business starts.

Magnificent turnout today for a pre-season match. Fulham sold out seemingly before it was even advertised. Villa away is on a watch list.

Last thoughts. I know it was only pre-season, but it is relevant. Stop all this added-time nonsense. Just stop the clock as they do in Rugby. Then it finishes on 90 minutes.

And Sean Dyche in an Everton training top and shorts. Not his trademark suit and tie?

Annika Herbert
217 Posted 29/07/2023 at 19:48:17
Well said Danny @ 216, always a sensible comment amongst a sea of negativity.

I agree with pretty much all your comments. I think we have some very promising young players.

Duncan McDine
218 Posted 29/07/2023 at 19:54:05
Nothing new to report about the players that we've already seen plenty of, but my opinion from watching the 2nd half is that Ashley Young will be just fine at left-back without being exciting.

I didn't see anything of Danjuma so will have a flick through the comments. Dobbin has great movement and pace, but I'm afraid that he lacks that goalscorer's knack.

Branthwaite could well play a part this season (I like him a lot). But without a proper signing or two in the right areas, we're facing another slog.

George Cumiskey
219 Posted 29/07/2023 at 19:59:14
Like I said earlier, I think we are more desperate for a playmaker than anything else.
Bill Watson
220 Posted 29/07/2023 at 20:15:49
I'm a bit mystified as to why Dyche persists in selecting Maupay. He offers nothing upfront and it's like playing with 10 men. It would make more sense to play Dobbin from the start and see what he can do.

Plusses; Young, who will certainly be first choice and not a back-up. Branthwaite played the ball out well and made one vital interception. Garner looked good in possession and we certainly have a player there. McNeil had a slow start but grew into the game. Dobbin missed a couple of chances but he did more in 10 minutes than Maupay did in 80.

Minuses; Maupay who offers nothing on the floor or in the air. Patterson who was skinned more than once. Iwobi who gets about the pitch but with no end product and his passing is awful.

A part from the lack of threat upfront the huge gaps in midfield are a concern as is our overall piss-poor passing. We won't get away with that in the Premier League.

All in all quite a pleasant afternoon out...apart from the football!

John Connor
221 Posted 29/07/2023 at 20:24:19
I agree with a lot of the posters about individuals today, some doing better than others but, as a team, it just didn't work.

Keane, Gana and Maupay are just not Premier League standard these days. All are squad players at best. On the plus side, I've enjoyed a tour of lower league clubs during the pre-season, a chance to see new grounds, all within an hour or so of home.

But from a football side, I'm not sure what any of them have achieved (except to get fans worried). In all three games, there have been no more than 10 shots on target (probably less) and the play at times has been woeful.

The changes will give no insight to the first XI for the Fulham game and to not try and embed an out-and-out striker into the team so near the big kick-off is woeful.

Today was especially poor against a team who are mid-table Championship. Some had a decent game but with so many changes, it's hard to judge how they will perform as a collective.

I'm not saying we are in trouble, but, without a striker, I can see another painful season ahead.

David West
222 Posted 29/07/2023 at 20:26:20
Barry 186. Great outlook, mate. I echo what you say.

I've been up the wall today so didn't manage to watch the game, but I wasn't coming on expecting some massive turnaround. I'm not expecting Iwobi to suddenly start putting 5 on a plate for Danjuma.

Wasn't expecting Michael Keane to suddenly turn into some Cannavaro-esque centre-back or Patterson to start marauding up the wing, Baines-style.

What I was expecting was the usual, no chance this season, same again, down by Xmas comments even before I knew what type of performance we put in.

Fans need to get on board with the slow evolution of the team that is going to need to happen. We are not suddenly going to start playing like Man City!

We don't have centre-backs who can play cutting long balls; we don't have wing-backs who can push on; we certainly don't have 1 or 2 technically gifted ball-playing midfield players to unlock defences; and at the moment we have no out-and-out goalscorer or focal point. But we have a solid base, we will be hard to beat under Dyche's tactics.

It's going to be a season of battling for every single point. None are going to come easy. Get on board, guys, or be disappointed before it even kicks off!!

Sam Hoare
223 Posted 29/07/2023 at 20:47:48
A solid win. And our unbeaten run continues!!

To be honest, I think pre season has set our expectations accordingly. It won't be pretty. We won't score many goals. And at times we will rely on Pickford and Lady Luck. But we will hopefully pick up gritty draws and jammy wins.

Till we shed our wage drains (Gomes, Gbamin, Alli etc) and pay for the new stadium, then things are unlikely to get a huge amount better. Even getting Calvert-Lewin back or buying Dia (or whoever) is not gonna turn us into free-scoring merchants.

The chickens are home to roost and there's not much anyone can do about it. Luckily Dyche has been in such situations before and should hopefully make us hard to beat and keep us up. Don't expect to enjoy this season much and you should be fine!

Allan Board
224 Posted 29/07/2023 at 20:51:26
Failure to get another striker in and playing the plank Keane anywhere near our defence will mean bottom 3 or 4 again - I just hope the 3 promoted teams are shitter than Everton.
It's gonna be a long slog again.
David West
225 Posted 29/07/2023 at 21:07:00
Allan 224. Keane is not our problem. Our defence is not our issue imo. Its the lack of creativity in the middle. You could go and buy Kane and Tony and we would still struggle to create chances for them.

Dcl will improve us of course but he needs a supply. Teams will see our supply coming from the wings and try to snuff it out. We need a player centrally who can make chances.

We all know we need a striker but spending all your budget on a striker wont work if we don't have a supply to him.

It's like waring a Hugo boss suit with Lonsdale trainees.
It won't work and you will get laughed at !!!

Ian Bennett
226 Posted 29/07/2023 at 21:18:18

Pickford was largely untroubled, and can play decent passes up field.

Branthwaite gave us real balance at left centre half. Will be interesting if he gets the nod vs Sporting.

Young I think will be first pick left back.

Patterson does like to push on down the right. Just needs to stop the silly challenges when he's not going to win it. Petulance will cost him injuries.

Tarkowski is a natural leader. For me captain.

Onana shows that he can be a strong holding midfielder. His recovery tackles can give the full backs more confidence to go forward. He's the physical presence to dominate against lesser teams. Just play him.

Garner is a proper footballer, and would be in my midfield. He does have less power than others, but he is a capable passer - and the others aren't.

That leaves Iwobi, Gana and Doucoure fighting out the advanced midfielder in a 4-3-3. I'd pick Iwobi I think. He works equally as hard as the other 3, has better feet and is more likely to create. Yes he's capable of a brain fart, but that is a team that can score goals.

Danjuma right, Mcneil left, Dcl up top if fit.

Good height in the team, and will threaten set pieces. Dyche is capable of keeping the team in games, rather than the deadly lampard combo - no clean sheet and can't score.

Bench for fulham
Virginia, Godfrey, Keane, Mykolenko, Coleman, Gana, Doucoure, Gray, Maupay,

I'd like to see new players in, but it's looking like a deadline day special if anything.

Stuart Sharp
227 Posted 29/07/2023 at 21:45:41
David 225
I agree to a point, but on the rare occasion DCL was in the team last season, I think he made a huge difference just by being a focal point. He doesn't necessarily have to score to make us more dangerous. I'm hoping DCL or a new striker will allow players like Danjuma to score more. I'm also hoping we won't have to play Danjuma on his own through the middle like today.

Still, your overall point about lacking creativity is bang on. It's been a problem for a long time. Iwobi just doesn't do it for me, especially out wide. Only McNeil ever gives me the feeling that something might be about to happen.

Billy Shears
228 Posted 29/07/2023 at 21:46:07
At the very least we still go unbeaten in all pre-season games, which is good but we need desperately some Strikers in before Transfer Deadline day as we'll need more than one goal to see out tough games.
Chris James
229 Posted 29/07/2023 at 21:53:53
Not sure I was watching the same game as the writer.
We all know we lack cutting edge, but I think we dominated possession, we’re largely untroubled at the back and looked positive in midfield until the final ball. We did create chances though, several of which fell to Dobbin later in the game who I would say was a big plus and given a proper run could be at least a back up. The fact we kept pushing till the end speaks well for fitness levels (remember the efl kicks off a week earlier) and the spirit in the team.

Yes we need a couple of forwards, but the core structure seems solid and difficult to break down.

Neil Copeland
230 Posted 29/07/2023 at 22:11:26
Chris #229, I went to the game today and that is pretty much the way I saw it too.

Pre-season games are all about match fitness, trying different things and using the full squad. Whilst the football on show has not been world beating it’s not been terrible either. 3 wins and a draw represents our best preseason for some time (statistically at least).

What is it about so called supporters though? I had the misfortune to be sitting next to a right bell end who was chastising Keane, Iwobi and Maupay at every opportunity - it’s preseason ffs! Give them a break! I am not a huge fan of any of those 3 but will still encourage them.

As I was making my way down to the exit another “fan” was telling Iwobi that he wanted him to die as he went down after a heavy challenge. Normally I am very calm but I couldn’t resist asking him wtf was wrong with him (the fan that is, not Iwobi)? He had a young lad of around 9 or 10 with him too. He went bright red and shut up so perhaps I embarrassed him enough to make him think twice.

Another point I noted was how poor the Stoke following was. We came close to out numbering them. We are obviously not the draw that we once were. I know 2 or 3 Stoke supporters and will be having a word. I appreciate it was a friendly but no wonder they are mud table championship!

Overall though, what a fantastic turnout from our support for a training game.

Tom Bowers
231 Posted 29/07/2023 at 23:07:25
I don't think anyone assumes that this squad will get off to a flying start especially without that main striker or should I say target man to cause much concern to opposing defences no matter who they are.

Dyche has real problem with the offence given what he has to start the season with but one never knows.

We would all like to be pleasantly surprised by the unknown and those first half dozen games may give us more points than we anticipate.

Dyche has all the experience needed and with half a season behind him might just be able to make Everton a much more competitive outfit.

Jay Harris
232 Posted 29/07/2023 at 23:08:09
I have watched all the preseason and do see some green shoots which endorses Danny’s optimism ( but isn’t he always) If only we could all be as positive as Danny but regrettably although there are quite a few positives the negatives remain the same.

We do not create or threaten enough.

I’m sure supporters are sick of seeing Maupay even mentioned.

When are we ever going to get a (some) goalscorers. Danjuma was looking very lonely today and is no Demarai Gray.

Defense looks reasonably solid despite reservations about Keane and Young looks a shrewd acquisition so please Everton get us at least one goalscorer and get rid of Maupay.

Jason Li
233 Posted 29/07/2023 at 23:21:09
Dobbin is possibly a surprise plus point.

Although Dobbin missed the target today, he looks like he's too good for the Championship. He looks good enough to come off the bench most games this season when defenders tire.

My opinion is the goals will come because his pace allows him to get into better goal scoring zones than Maupay. A bit like Dom, if you have pace a player can slide the ball through or across the box and the quick players like Dom, Vardy, Martinelli or Haaland can nip in front and slot chances home. I think Dobbin can be the one played in, in the last 20 minutes in games.

Peter Mills
234 Posted 29/07/2023 at 23:30:09
We didn’t concede - again.
George Stuart
235 Posted 29/07/2023 at 23:35:34
Thinking point. Just checked last seasons table to gauge how many goals Dom would need to score to make an impact(I know a few players scored one goal to gain points last season).
We scored 36 (really?) the second lowest in the division after Wolves who scored 34. Surprisingly they also conceded more than us too.
I think 36 goals will not keep a team in the premiership next year.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
236 Posted 30/07/2023 at 02:05:23
As someone who has not watched any of the preseason, but reads all the comments, the doom and gloom seems a bit much. Sure, the lack of goals is concerning, but we’re just bringing Garner, Danjuma, Branthwaite, and Onana into the fold, plus no Gray or DCL. It seems foolish to expect much in that situation. We’re all worried about no incoming striker(s), injuries to DCL and now McNeil or any other in the starting XI, and lack of competition for places, but this season will be far more enjoyable for every one of us if we see progress from the past 2 seasons and acknowledge it if it’s there.

If somehow we’re near the relegation zone come Christmas and Maupay is still playing but not scoring, then the constant whining will seem justified. Until then, I’m getting on the mild optimism train if only because I trust in Dyche from what he’s shown us so far.

Bill Gall
237 Posted 30/07/2023 at 02:13:40
I wonder how close Calvert-Lewin is to match fitness? Watching the training session videos, he seems to be in all the 4- and 5-a-side player sessions.

We will not know if he really is injury-prone or it has just taken a long time to get over serious injuries and, in the position we were in last season, he was brought back to soon.

We will have to rely on some of our young players this season as well as getting rid of the unnamed unwanted.

Kieran Kinsella
238 Posted 30/07/2023 at 02:35:38

Dobbin is exciting because he's fast and brave. The question is, does he have the quality? I haven't seen enough of him to answer that but yeah it would be a huge bonus if he had an Anthony Gordon-type break-out season following an okay-ish loan.

Don Alexander
239 Posted 30/07/2023 at 03:36:41
Everyone knows our allegedly valid (but very very tired) mantra of "pre-season-games-are-meaningless" but by Christ, Kenwright has increasingly plumbed the pre-season (and every actual season) to new depths over his 30 plus years occupying a top job.

We're skint. We have a manager and DoF who recognise what the rest of the football have long recognised, namely that their personal reputation will not be damaged by relegation, on sole account of our pathetic owner/shyster-chairman.

So, the two of them are free of the stress every other PL manager/DoF has to endure. They're already made for life should they get the boot from Moshiri/Kenwright.......

BUT.......can that release of stress enable the pair of them to bizarrely find a way to remove the threat of relegation before the last match of next season?

I hope so, but I have no higher expectations.

Joe Digney
240 Posted 30/07/2023 at 06:24:24
Hard watch that last night and not just because I had a shite stream.

Right-winger snf striker needed before Fulham – it's that simple. I can't watch Iwobi attempt to cross a ball anymore – it's just too painful. Not even gonna mention Maupay, no point, I nearly turned it off when he attempted a bicycle kick.

Onana looked sharp when he came on and Branthwaite is already miles better than Keane.

Alan J Thompson
241 Posted 30/07/2023 at 07:06:09
I can remember when we won pre-season friendlies 22-0. Sorry, just couldn't resist it.

I put more store in performance in these games than results but If these friendlies are more about fitness and trying various players to see the best combination then you might expect some kind of improvement or even some idea of a first game line-up.

But I'm beginning to wonder what the feeling might be if we get hammered in a final lacklustre, lackadaisical performance vs Sporting. We might not even feel that Mr Dyche will have it right on the day as he has been there before. Or even if bringing a couple of new players in at this late date won't take time to have an effect.

Bobby Mallon
242 Posted 30/07/2023 at 07:33:55
David @222,

Vincent Kompany took over Burnley and in a season got them promoted and playing great football with a combination of the same players Dyche had, a few loans and some youth.

That's all I've ever wanted for Everton is for the team to play every week, like we did at Brighton last season. Is it too much to ask? I know they can do it because I watched it. I just want Dyche to be brave.

Danny O’Neill
243 Posted 30/07/2023 at 07:45:14
Morning Don,

They've done a very good job of passing the stress onto the supporters. And it has been stressful. Very stressful. Inhaler moments as I took big intakes of breath and forgot to breathe out on numerous occasions.

Lining up sacrificial lamb after lamb of managers to deflect blame and supress the masses. Even the response to the demand for the board clear out this summer was a half-baked effort.

The decision to remove 3 board members was almost like "that will keep them quiet" when the 3 musketeers were put to the sword and gave up their already vacant seats in the Director's Box. If they are available for Fulham, I'll take one.

But the obvious still remains. As such a big Evertonian, surely he can see through his supposed blue-eyed mist and realise he has long lost even the most moderate and impartial of supporters? There is no going back for him. I don't know if he reads these pages, he probably wouldn't want to. I appreciate it may not account for 100% of the views of Evertonians, but it is pretty close in my opinion.

Do the honourable thing if you really care for this club like we do. We will 100% and more get behind the team every single minute of every single match. But a toxic cloud will remain as long as he continues to be associated with Everton Football Club.

Will that solve everything? God no. You can't undo 30-plus years of steady decline quickly. But you can move in a different direction and build something special. We are about to move to the most iconic stadium in the land and have such an opportunity. But only if we grasp it.

The communication has gone quiet in typical style of the Moshiri era, other than being told on the official website that Fulham is already sold out.

Even the stadium updates. I got more off my brother yesterday, who took a few photos for me. Half built, it is already looking majestic.

Who knows what the future holds? But we need a different path with different people so we can realise the potential of this great club and reward its fantastic supporters.

As I have said before, forget talk of a sleeping giant. We are a dormant volcano waiting to erupt.

I don't mean to sound negative, most who know me and read my posts know that I am ever the optimist. I will always will be. Annoyingly so and sometimes it has people shouting at me to try and put sense into me.

But like all of you, I care deeply for this club. Very deeply. Always have and always will.

Meanwhile, we've got a season to get ready for.

Barry Hesketh
244 Posted 30/07/2023 at 08:16:25
Dyche, meanwhile, may have to bring in further temporary solutions with the need to operate on a tight budget at Goodison Park.

"It's a tough market," he said. "There is only so much that we can do, so we are working very hard – I can assure everyone of that – to construct deals that can work.

"There is no exact moment until it's over the line. There have been situations where we have been into where we thought we were going to get it over the line and we don't – that's the way it goes.

"A lack of goals is always a concern because you need to score to win games. We showed in the second half of the season that we needed to find different ways of scoring goals and we are going to have to do that going forwards. That is part of football." Source: BBC

That line "construct deals that can work" tells me, either we have no cash to spend or that Moshiri won't sanction any major deals, until or unless we sell somebody?

Steve Brown
245 Posted 30/07/2023 at 08:37:15
We need a centre-forward, creative midfielder, centre-back and right back to be competitive next season.

Eddie Dunn
246 Posted 30/07/2023 at 08:42:36
There are two clear observations after our preseason.

Number one is (as Dyche has explained) our inability to land our transfer targets.

This time Sean has been able to see that even with plenty of time (unlike his last window); we lack the money to interest clubs and agents. Our financial impotence is there for all to see.

Add to this our image of being a club in turmoil and it is enough to put off decent players with other options.

Number two is that on the pitch we are paper thin up front. Still no sign of Calvert-Lewin and yesterday it was poor Danjuma who had to look isolated on his own with no service.

Our midfield is lacking in creativity and Iwobi, despite his hard graft, would be better suited in a central role.

The fitness might improve but our lack of quality is clear for all to see.

It must be soul-destroying for those players who are doing a decent job (Pickford, Young, Tarkowski, McNeil) to see their teammates inability to do the basics.

Dyche will be so scared of conceding that we will be forced to watch more of the turgid, rigid, frigid football like last season.

Even if we do get Domenic fit, we are buggered if he gets injured. We need a back-up, even Ings, Vardy, Ianeacho, just a guy who could lead the line and score 5 or 6 goals. It's not much to ask... is it?

Jerome Shields
247 Posted 30/07/2023 at 08:42:49
Chris #229,

Your post and some others have given me hope. Dyche does concentrate a lot on getting the players doing things right in their positions, which creates an overall cohesiveness. This was the main reason that Everton survived last season and it is something he can build on and appears to be building on.

It is in fact the only concrete improvement he can build on. There is still a month to get players that can do a job in the forward line. This may be existing players available or a low-cost addition that Everton with limited funds can afford.

It will probably be a player who has presence to add to the forward threat building on the cohesiveness rather than an out-and-out goalscorer. Of course they will have to be able to take chances to be taken seriously in the Premier League.

George Cumiskey
248 Posted 30/07/2023 at 08:43:05
Steve Brown, exactly what we need even to survive another season.
Paul Tran
249 Posted 30/07/2023 at 08:51:01
It's been known for a while that we have to structure deals in certain ways to afford them and comply with P&S Rules. Clubs and agents know this too, so it can hardly be a surprise that, at an early stage in the transfer window, attempted deals that are 'close' fall through.

This isn't going to change anytime soon, so I can't see why there's any surprise or increased expectations.

Like most clubs, most of our business will be done at the end of the window; I'm regarding anything earlier as a bonus. Not because I'm 'happy' with it, but because that's our reality.

It's only going to change by showing some competence and stability on the football side, and by bringing new people in to do similar on the business side.

George Cumiskey
250 Posted 30/07/2023 at 08:53:59
Barry @244,

What Dyche should've said it's a tough market when you've got no money to spend. All the other clubs are signing players – even the newly promoted sides.

Dave Abrahams
251 Posted 30/07/2023 at 09:00:33
Danny (243),

Great article and summing up of our situation and it is a very grave time for everyone at Everton, except Chairman Bill, he's made it very plain that he doesn't give a toss about Everton as long as he is okay.

James Potter
252 Posted 30/07/2023 at 09:04:06
Only 4 goals scored in pre-seaon and we've only played lower league teams, that's a huge worry and Dyche doesn't sound confident about any new incomings judging by his post match comments.

I agree we've been reasonable at the back, but again against lowly opposition, it's what you would expect from a premier league side and we're stronger defensively than in attack.

It's obvious that Calvert-Lewin isn't going to be match fit for the Fulham game as he's had no actual game time in pre-seaon, he may well be taking part in training but that's not match fitness, so it doesn't look good at the moment for Fulham.

Steve Brown
253 Posted 30/07/2023 at 09:06:32
Chris @ 229, we didn't dominate possession yesterday.

Possession was 51% / Everton 49%.

Stoke had 9 corners to our 3. We did manage 10 shots to their 8, but most of them posed more of a threat to the fans than their keeper.

Brent Stephens
254 Posted 30/07/2023 at 09:11:31
Paul #249 – a ray of sunshine realism this Sunday morning.

As you say, there should be no surprise about signings (or the lack of, or the quality of) at this stage in a transfer window that is still open, given our dire financial straits, the threat of financial sanctions, and therefore our weak bargaining position in the transfer market.

Brian Harrison
255 Posted 30/07/2023 at 09:47:47
Danny 243,

I agree with every word, and I would add that while this owner is still here, we have major problems. The problem is, to limit his losses, Moshiri needs the stadium to be completed and our Premier League position retained.

Seems it's obvious there is no money to buy a striker of any quality or Dyche would have already done so. But this team has lacked goals for at least 2 seasons and that problem still persists, and even a quality striker will need help.

Last season, McNeil was our top goal scorer with just 7, and let's hope the knock he got yesterday won't keep him out of the Fulham game. Calvert-Lewin, Alli and Gray have had no minutes so far so hard to see any of these 3 starting against Fulham.

Seeing that we allowed Mina to leave because he was out of contract, surely we are not going to allow Iwobi to do the same? If he won't sign a new contract, then at least get some money for him; otherwise, come January, he can talk to European or further afield clubs.

It's just a nonsense to allow this situation to prevail and no doubt the same will happen to a couple of other players on our books.

As many have predicted its hard to see anything other than another battle against relegation.

Phil Bickerstaff
256 Posted 30/07/2023 at 10:09:23
Positives — usually we lose all our friendlies.

Negatives — Iwobi is crap and we still have no decent wingers.

Tony Everan
257 Posted 30/07/2023 at 10:12:57
Danny, It’s unbelievable Kenwright, the world’s greatest transfer negotiator, is still at the club. All the other directors paid off and still the prize turkey has the big leather chair. It’s going to cause too much distraction, division and negativity. Why won’t he let the club move on? …take a deferred payoff if Moshiri can’t afford it.

I’m always looking for positives, the word that comes to mind when I’m watching Branthwaite, is class. Still I feel it’s wrong to expect 45 games from him, so hopefully some quality support can be hired and his progress to being a permanent fixture is managed well.

Another positive is Lewis Dobbin, a long way from the finished article, but showing enough pace and determination to be an asset. I can see him getting 30 minute cameos to cause problems to tiring defenders and the burning desire to make something happen . It’s important we have that option from the bench. Fantastic opportunity for him to show that he is more than that and say “look I’m a starter”.

Onana looked bright and more forward thinking, scored and put a killer ball in to Dobbin who should have scored. Onana looks like he will push on this season.

I understand the transfer issues and it’s better to say you are skint than to say oh yeh we’ve got £35m to blow and get fleeced for it.

If we can t get a £30m striker like Toure then we have to start acting in a more pragmatic way. As Mick said, ‘you can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need’.

There is a tier of striker who will serve a purpose and do the job of being a focal point up front. Someone to occupy defenders, hold the ball up, win possession, distribute and allow the midfield and defenders to breathe. Even a ten goal striker in the right profile can be an asset to the functioning of the tram.

As Robert, and Sam have said on numerous occasions, there are options in this tier. We need to choose the best fit for our system.

Colin Glassar
258 Posted 30/07/2023 at 10:20:59
Tony, Chairman Bill is in his 1945 Berlin bunker mode. This is his Gotterdammerung moment and he's quite prepared to take the rest of us down with him. Moshiri, on the other hand, is trying to find a sewer he can escape from.

Cue the Flight of the Valkyries music…

Dave Williams
259 Posted 30/07/2023 at 10:42:12
I thought Onana looked like he has filled out a bit too – he looks much stronger.

Play him alongside Garner with Alex between them, Branthwaite with Tarkowski and Danjuma and McNeil out wide and all we need is…!!!!

Christopher Timmins
260 Posted 30/07/2023 at 10:59:36
The only negative I took from yesterday was the 0 minutes for Calvert-Lewin.

Less than two weeks to go and not much sign that he will make Matchday 1.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
261 Posted 30/07/2023 at 11:20:18
We don't need forwards. We have enough of them.
Maupay can score, Dobbin can score, McNeill can score, Iwobi can score, Danjuma can score.

The problem is that nobody is creating the opportunities for them to score – and the priority is a creative midfielder. What we have is:

1 box-to-box midfielder
2 defensive midfielders
1 midfielder who is an emergency right back.

How many goals did Lukaku or Lineker score on their own? How many were through balls they ran on to, crosses they came in front of defenders, etc?

Okay, I may be wrong about Maupay. But having a player at centre-forward who runs around trying to win the ball back so he can beat 4 defenders on a mazy run and slot it into the back of the net doesn't exist. It is the creative midfielder that is key to more goals.

Ian Edwards
263 Posted 30/07/2023 at 11:37:46
The sad reality is that as we have been fighting relegation for two seasons we are basically the ugliest fella in the nightclub trying to pull at 2am.

There's no point trying to compete with Atalanta for a player when they can offer European Football and the Italian lifestyle. Plus the online videos of our fans chasing players and their families in their cars has done terrible damage to the club's image and attractiveness to players.

If we want to sign players, the club is going to have to lower its sights.

Ray Robinson
264 Posted 30/07/2023 at 11:38:23
Phil, I agree with your point about the need for a creative midfielder but how you can assert that we don't need strikers is beyond me!

Before yesterday's game (and still in my heart), I believe that we only need a few decent players to become a half-decent team but after the match, my brain tells me otherwise. There is no goal instinct at all in the team except for McNeil and Calvert-Lewin when fit. That's why we can't sell Gray in my opinion, despite his inconsistency.

Our centre of midfield looked wide open, the defence shaky (yes, I know we have only conceded a single goal in the friendlies but look at the opposition). Iwobi should be scoring 5 to 6 goals a season but never does, Gueye is a decent destroyer but offers nothing going forward, Patterson is decent box-to-box but a poor defender (got skinned several times) and runs out of ideas at the edge of the opposition's box.

As Steve Brown said @245, we need a centre forward, a creative midfielder, another central defender and another right back to even begin to be competitive.

Alex Gray
265 Posted 30/07/2023 at 11:52:30
What irks me is Dyche having to come out and explain things. I could be wrong but isn't that Thelwell's job?

I think everyone knew it'd be a tough window but we've had 2 years to plan about which strikers to get. If plan A doesn't work, B, C and D should be ready to go.

Failure to get a goalscorer in at this point shouldn't be accepted by anyone at this point. No other club in the Premier League has to put up with this incompetence and neither should we.

If the season starts and nothing's changed, we're a weaker squad than last season. Forget the excuses and reasons why – this is a results game on and off the pitch. Dyche has not been able to spend a penny in two windows so far and I'm so sick of excuses.

Keane is now a starting centre-back 6 years after we knew he was dire. We have more goalkeepers than strikers. We can't score and have a midfield that can tackle but can't make 5-yard passes. Our game plan yesterday was crosses into the box for an umpa lumpa. The whole thing is incompetent.

The board hasn't even changed and the MSP deal is no closer to being completed. There's people on here who have a go at us moaners but I don't see a single thing positive about this club. The club crashed the Titanic into the iceberg and, as we sink, the captain is blaming the passengers for being angry and scared.

Barry Hesketh
266 Posted 30/07/2023 at 11:58:06
Ian @263,

Here you go again on the hobby-horse of "It's all the fans' fault for putting the club in a bad light and players don't want to come." If Everton were able to pay higher wages – which it can't – for a player, that player would come to Goodison.

The Saudis aren't exactly awash with great PR but they have the dough, so the players make a professional decision that lines their own pockets.

it's been that way for ages. there was a time when money wasn't the be-all and end-all, but not now, it's all about the money for players past their best or not being good enough for the very top teams.

It's comments like yours that make me wonder how much more the average Evertonian can take, lambasted by fellow supporters, dissed by the owner and the board, and having to watch our club sliding into oblivion, with the prospect of worse to come, and for an extended time-span, if the stadium eats all of the ready cash in loan repayments.

I was having a reasonably nice Sunday but Ian, you have just ruined it – again!

Frank Crewe
267 Posted 30/07/2023 at 12:12:15
The comments about a lack of creativity in midfield are correct. Haaland would struggle to score in Everton's current side. Unless we do something to address this problem, any strikers we already have or any we bring in will struggle to score.

The problem is good creative midfielders are as rare as hen's teeth and consequently cost a lot more than we can currently afford to pay. So unless Dyche and Thelwell can bring in some cheap undiscovered gems, I don't see what we can do about it.

Of course there is the option of being a strong defensive side and win games 1-0. It's not just about how many goals you score but also how many you concede.

After all, under Moyes, we finished 4th with goal machine Marcus Bent up front. He only scored 7 goals all season. We won nine games 1-0. We only scored more than one goal 10 times and that includes draws and defeats. So sometimes a strong defence can be as good as a strong attack.

Brian Harrison
268 Posted 30/07/2023 at 12:20:59
Phil and Frank,

While there is a case for saying we need more creativity in midfield, even if we had David Silva in his prime and Bernardo Silva, our attackers just aren't natural goal scorers.

Phil in his article says all our strikers can score. Well, last season, Maupay had 1 in 11games, Iwobi 2 in 38, Calvert-Lewin 2 in15, Gray 4 in 27, McNeil 7 in 28.

That dosen't suggest to me these can score enough goals to keep us safe, never mind finish mid-table.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
269 Posted 30/07/2023 at 13:54:48
But Brian, they were being fed by the most uncreative midfield in the Premier League.

As Frank said, even Haaland would have struggled to get 10 goals with the service our midfield would have given him.

Jerome Shields
270 Posted 30/07/2023 at 14:18:11
For those looking for a centre-back and right-back, the Everton answer is Ashley Young. If they can off-load Holgate, they will either pocket the money or put it towards an attacking player.

Danjuma gives the option of selling Gray, with Iowbi offering cover. Midfield I doubt will change. There is too much deadwood and Dyche will be expected to get a tune out of them as back-ups at least.

I think they will risk dependence on Calvert-Lewin AND bring in a young forward. Cannon seems to be the Simms replacement. A young back-up with potential that can be sold on for the centre-forward position, as a low-cost transfer addition.

Maupay as part of a swop deal is a possibility, but it is more likely that he will be coached for an improvement in taking chances. He does put in a good work rate, but lack of threat is a big problem in the Premier League. The opposition tactics will just ride over the top of him.

Ed Prytherch
271 Posted 30/07/2023 at 14:32:57
Iwobi put the ball on Tarkowski's head for the goal. A few of you missed that.
Dale Self
272 Posted 30/07/2023 at 14:39:25
Ed 271, ignored not missed. There is a pattern.
David West
273 Posted 30/07/2023 at 14:40:53
Brian 268.

I'd say, if we create more chances, each one of them players' goals-per-game would improve. Bring in a creative midfield player!

We know we need a striker but, if you are not making chances for him, it's hard to improve the Goals For coloum.

It's been our problem since James and Sigurdsson have been gone. Everything comes from Iwobi on the right, who's never a winger, and now McNeil on the left. Decent teams can cope with it. We need a supply through the centre.

What do we want – a player the same as Calvert-Lewin or an option, an alternative, a player in the Vardy, Owen mould, a pacy, to run in behind striker, who can finish?

I'd like to see someone like that alongside Calvert-Lewin, chasing the knock-downs and flick-ons.

Deborah Maria
274 Posted 30/07/2023 at 14:54:09
Ian @263,

Have you not seen what Italian fans get up to?

Chasing cars is a walk in the park.

Mick Davies
275 Posted 30/07/2023 at 15:13:45
Ian @ 263 There's no point trying to compete with Atalanta for a player when they can offer European Football and the Italian lifestyle. Plus the online videos of our fans chasing players and their families in their cars has done terrible damage to the Club's image and attractiveness to players.

One player was chased by some kids; IN HIS CAR!!! Nothing to see really, and easily forgotten. What IS damaging to the club, is the world knowing that the chairman has lost the confidence of the fans, and doesn't even attend games any more, but STILL won't leave (allowing Moshiri to place a temporary chairman in charge), which is fuelling a toxic atmosphere at the club, and more than likely deterring potential signings to go elsewhere.

Until that man sheds the arrogance and greed that have made him cling on to power for so long, and finally realises that it's 40,000 to one against, then Everton FC will remain in limbo, and as much as you try to blame everything on the fans, ask yourself who loves the club more, us, or a man who has made close to £30m while bringing the club as close to destruction that it has been in its 140 year history

George Cumiskey
276 Posted 30/07/2023 at 15:52:29
I've said all along that our greatest priority is a creative midfielder who can see an opening. I felt sorry for our new forward yesterday who never got one decent pass.
George Cumiskey
277 Posted 30/07/2023 at 15:57:03
And I love reading Ian Edwards's posts, he's deffo Bill Kenwright using an alias. 😂😜
Steve Cotton
280 Posted 30/07/2023 at 16:24:34
George 277,

You could be right about Ian being Kenwright… prospective players don't want to come because of all he says, fans chasing players' cars... no European football, unattractive club.. also the fact that we haven't actually bid for anyone.

It's a wait until 10:45 on the last day, I am afraid.

Andy Crooks
281 Posted 30/07/2023 at 16:25:24
@ 266, the biggest worry for this season is having to avoid this site because of the utterly relentless repetition of the same brain-dead mantra from the same person. We all got it, cretinous though it was, the first eighty or ninety times. In the name of God come up with something new.

Oh, not Allardyce, though to be fair he only got about 500 mentions. Please, please give it a fucking rest with your single agenda hatred of fellow Blues. Find something new.

David West
282 Posted 30/07/2023 at 16:26:08
Us fans can speculate, debate, and argue. The reality is, not one of us knows if there is money to spend. If there is, we don't know how much.

We don't know if the reports of £30M bids for strikers are real and, if they are real, are they structured over years with minimal up front? We could outbid Bayern for Kane in theory, if Levy would accept £90M over 90 years!

This is where we need to be patient, clubs want replacements before letting players leave. The longer players are left in limbo, the more they agitate for the move, the more the selling clubs need to compromise.

The rich clubs can just splash the cash, we are playing a cat 'n' mouse game hoping to get the best deal for us.

The job Thelwell has to do is like going to Cash cConverters with a broken black-&-white telly and trying to come out with a 4k flatscreen while paying £2.50 a month.

We have Maupay (black-&-white telly);
We want Toure (latscreen).

Barry Hesketh
283 Posted 30/07/2023 at 16:30:24
Stargazers will be treated to a very special double feature next month, with a pair of supermoons appearing in August – closing off with a rare blue moon.

The first, called Sturgeon, should be able to be seen from the UK on Tuesday 1 August with its peak at 7:31 pm (BST) and just 222,159 miles (357,530km) away. According to the Old Farmer's Almanac, the August full moon is traditionally known as the Sturgeon moon because of the abundance of that fish in the Great Lakes in August hundreds of years ago.

On Thursday 31 August, the moon will be even closer – a mere 222,043 miles (357,344km), with its peak at 2:35 am (BST). And because it is the second full moon in a month, it is called a blue moon. Source: The Guardian.

No need to panic, we'll get that unknown superstar striker on the final day of the window – even Everton should be able to strike lucky once in a blue moon? Having said that, we've allegedly been linked with a French striker by the name of Le Mon.

Kieran Kinsella
284 Posted 30/07/2023 at 16:42:13
Barry Hesketh,

In defense of Ian and your analogy.

Okay, a player looking at Al Hilal may see video of Khashoggi being butchered in the embassy, maybe a few dozen public beheadings, indiscriminate bombing of kids in Yemen. People being arrested and tortured for being gay, playing music, looking into other religions.

But three teenagers saying “What the Fuck, Anthony?” several times is surely so much more terrifying that any sane man would pick Saudi over Everton.

The fans are truly terrifying sometimes even holding peaceful sit-ins which are much worse than any of the violent coach attacks at Anfield. Ian has really identified the root of all our problems.

Stuart Sharp
285 Posted 30/07/2023 at 16:57:54
I'm still getting my head round the comments 'Maupay can score' and 'Iwobi can score'. There is just no evidence of this.

Yes, we definitely need a creative midfielder, but to suggest we don't need forwards is bizarre. Maupay and Iwobi have both failed to convert good chances on numerous occasions, especially the former.

At Bolton the other night, they should have scored a couple each. We need a striker, urgently. Maupay's 1 in 40 speaks for itself – whatever mitigating circumstances there might be, that is pure shite.

Rob Halligan
286 Posted 30/07/2023 at 16:58:28
Kieran… so now we know: two snotty-nosed kids have destroyed Everton Football Club. Shame on them, they should be ashamed of themselves.
Kieran Kinsella
287 Posted 30/07/2023 at 17:09:43

And to think so many of us foolishly thought things like poor signings, financial mismanagement and Kenwright had an effect on our problems. How silly we all were to miss the obvious.

Tony Everan
288 Posted 30/07/2023 at 17:33:20
Rob, Kieran, you are jumping the gun a bit. Are you sure those two kids weren’t Wagnerites?
Neil Copeland
289 Posted 30/07/2023 at 17:35:19

I never thought of you as being so naive, mate. The club has been by far the best and most professionally run since Chairman Bill got involved – a footballing masterclass.

Then those young ruthless assassin thugs ruined it all. They were going to take out Anthony you know. Put us back decades they have, good job we still have Bill in charge.

Kieran Kinsella
290 Posted 30/07/2023 at 17:51:26

My eyes have finally been opened!

Rob Halligan
291 Posted 30/07/2023 at 17:59:02
All Hail Chairman Bill, and while we're at it, bring back Denise.

Then we must dig out those videos that Ian's on about and get the police to investigate and bring the scoundrels to justice. Then we must get the police to fully investigate HeadlockGate.

It seems only fair and reasonable that Bill and Denise are excused all failings for our fall from grace. Get the scoundrels found and let's have a public flogging in the centre circle at a forthcoming home game.

Paul Ferry
292 Posted 30/07/2023 at 18:36:29
I'm not sure what I am more worried and concerned about this coming season:

Kenwright staying on, the current squad without two or three incoming, Rob (Halligan) having to miss a couple of matches, another 10 months of well-known martyr Ian Edwards, or our violent, vile and disgusting fans.

Paul Tran
293 Posted 30/07/2023 at 18:59:23

I'm more concerned about some of the 'realists' who come on here daily to tell us that we are 'definitely going down' this season. I'm concerned that one of them may combust in fury.

The upside is that, like last season, they keep up the prices on Betfair so we can make a few more quid backing us to stay up. Not that there'll be the same value this time, mind.

Derek Taylor
294 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:00:17
I'm told that such is the complexity of the document that saw Moshiri take over our club that it is more than likely that Chairman Bill will remain on the Board whatever!

If this is fact, 'Sack the Board' will have a hollow ring about it as he takes his seat for our first game next season.

"He wouldn't dare," said my informant.

"You wanna bet?" says I.

George Cumiskey
295 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:06:32
Anyone who thinks the results of the preseason friendly don't matter just watch the game between Villa and Brentford today!

Be afraid… be very afraid. 🙏🙏

Paul Ferry
296 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:11:25
Paul (T),

I worry for them too, they maybe doom and gloom yawn-fest misery guts merchants, but they are our doom and gloom yawn-fest misery guts merchants.

Paul Tran
297 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:18:25
They are ours, Paul, but I worry about the toll that level of intense pessimism and certainty can have on anyone.
Dale Self
298 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:18:31
I watched the whole thing, George. 2-3 in the first 30+ minutes. I'm afraid that won't compare to an opp v Dyche team event of any sort. And I'm very afraid that left-back for Bournemouth will playing elsewhere after being turned thrice well inside the box giving up goals, twice on one shot. You guys need some better material.

Oh yeah, go watch it, Konsa goes on a FIFA goal run. I shit you not, go watch it, marches from inside his half with the ball strolling the whole way until he can drive the ball in from ten yards out.

David Bromwell
299 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:19:42
Hope we get some news tomorrow since, if nothing else, we have done this game and our shortcomings to death.
Paul Ferry
300 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:23:10
Why George?

It was a draw, 3-3, open game, a few good goals, some good play, on the one hand; some pretty awful defensive play, on the other.

Why should we be "very afraid"?

Tony Abrahams
301 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:34:06
If Ian Edwards is really Bill Kenwright, then that would explain a lot imo!

This is a decent thread, with some very good knowledgeable posts, and this is probably what attracted me to this website years ago.

Moshiri promised the fans a striker in January, but they are still waiting in August; if this doesn't change soon, then the mood will change from one of frustration to one of real anger.

A decent workmanlike squad needs more players with better quality and, even though it's not looking good, can Moshiri really afford to gamble with his investment one more time?

Evertonians are remarkably calm at the minute, but if things don't change then this isn't going to last. I've said it before but rather than give the phoney bastards little excuses to use against the fans, with help from their sycophantic friends in the media, why doesn't every single Evertonian turn up at Goodison next week, but boycott going into the game?

I know I'm a militant, but it's just one pre-season friendly to use and tell the whole world we don't want Moshiri or Kenwright at our club, because we have lost every single ounce of faith in them and believe they are only going to lead us into the Championship if they stay. Even the players must be getting very frustrated at the lack of signings now.

George Cumiskey
302 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:35:53
Sorry, lads, my mistake… we looked really good yesterday; nothing to worry about. 😅😂🤣😭
Steve Griffiths
303 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:40:22
George why? I watched the whole game also and couldn't see a lot to be afraid of, except for Bryan Mbeumo of Brentford who was outstanding and who I would have in a heartbeat.

Imagine the outcry on here if we conceded 3 goals in a game? Dyche will make us very hard to beat this season, it won't be pretty, mark my words. But I do believe it will be effective and enough to keep our heads above water (again).

Who knows – if they are able to get a couple of creative players and/or a goalscorer on board, we may do even better. Let's wait & see before writing the manager and the team off completely.

Christine Foster
305 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:47:45
Tony, no my friend, you're not militant, merely angry at the way the club has been used as a plaything of late, as a means to make money by an asset-stripping con-man.

The pre-season games we have had to endure are dire, a million zillion light-years away from most Premier League clubs. I can't blame Dyche – that "Blame the manager merry-go-round" stopped years ago for me.

No, the real blame lies at the door of the fool and the con-man. Until they are gone, we have little hope of improvement.

I contemplated writing an article on the fact we are now a club that is so badly broken, no-one wants to come to us. We are on our own. Even the journeymen pass us by.

It's a hard road being a Blue at the moment; hang in there.

Barry Rathbone
306 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:51:52
I think Ian Edwards is getting unfair pelters here. The 3 points he raises seem bang on to me:

1. “We have been fighting relegation for two seasons.”

2. “They can offer European Football and the Italian lifestyle.”

3. “Online videos of our fans chasing players and their families in their cars has done terrible damage.”

Plus we're skint.

George Cumiskey
307 Posted 30/07/2023 at 19:56:11
My god… has anyone actually watched our preseason games???

Jesus, Christine, you've nearly got me in tears with your honest and realistic picture of what's happening to our great club. 😭

Tony Abrahams
308 Posted 30/07/2023 at 20:03:35
It didn't look good, Barry.

But a lot more damage was done on the morning of the Southampton game by Quislings who should have known a lot better than to treat passionate Evertonians as the enemy, just because they were demanding more professionalism right throughout the club, but specifically in the boardroom.

Dale Self
309 Posted 30/07/2023 at 20:10:40
Sorry George, getting whiplash, can't be bothered now. Try again tomorrow.

Okay, since we haven't had much direct back and forth, try this. No question there were some very tired tackles in the second half. McNeil was grabbing shorts at the 35-minute mark. Only Young looked fit and that's your final clue that Dyche has run the hell out of them.

They likely scheduled Stoke away knowing they would have a leggy squad to test some road toughness. Played sloppy in places as one would expect but seemed to bring it together for some cohesive moves about 12-15 minutes into each half. Then closed but stronger than I expected given how Stoke dominated around the 80-minute mark.

We knew it would be a test of stamina more than a display of football. We kept Pickford fairly unbothered. We nicked a goal for a late win on the road. Well then, by all means and against logic, let's have a goddamned freakout.

Tony Abrahams
310 Posted 30/07/2023 at 20:18:43
I'm still coming on ToffeeWeb but I'm not even that interested in hanging in there, Christine, because I can't believe that people have just accepted this latest reshuffling by Moshiri.

I'm more sad than angry. I've bought my season ticket but it will only be getting used by others. This is a decision that hasn't been made lightly, especially because I'm aware it will have zero impact in the grand scale of things. But, with my biggest disdain in life being towards liars, I just can't allow myself to accept the lies that continue to come out of our football club.

Maybe I'm wrong, and Bill Kenwright is going to leave soon, but I've never been wrong about the man with regards his Everton intentions before, and something tells me he's going nowhere whilst Moshiri remains at the club. I hope I'm wrong.🤞

David West
311 Posted 30/07/2023 at 20:27:51
Now, now kids, play nice!!!

There's two sides to every argument and usually some truth on both sides. Yet some fans get so entrenched in their own opinion, they are sometimes blinded from the reality.

Yes, the scenes of scallies chasing players and their cars like some crazy stray dogs did no good for the image of the club.
However, I don't see any agents honestly turning their players away from signing for us because of that. Agents want fees and, if we are paying, the agents will bring the players.

The truth is they (players and agents) probably don't entertain us because of our recent reputation as the worst-run club in Europe.

So, imo, kids running after cars is a sideshow we can do without, but it's a skidmark stain on us compared to the giant turd Billy & Farhad have covered us in.

Peter Warren
312 Posted 30/07/2023 at 20:30:40
We desperately need a centre-forward and an on-form Dele Alli or we are in for another shit season.

Obviously, likelihood is another shit season!

Dale Self
313 Posted 30/07/2023 at 20:34:02
I'm with Peter. We were just announced as possibly being in for Tete. Now I'm watching Chelsea v Fulham and Tete is playing for Fulham.

Talk about a joke of a club. You could not make this up.

Paul Hewitt
314 Posted 30/07/2023 at 20:39:41
It's a different Tete.
Paul Tran
315 Posted 30/07/2023 at 20:41:30
Tony #310,

I might go cap in hand to you at some point this season, as I want to see my Dad's final resting place behind the Park End byeline for one last time before the move to the new stadium.

We'd have to have a few beers before the game, mind. One of the highlights of my last trip to Goodison was having a drink with your dad before the game.

Dale Self
316 Posted 30/07/2023 at 20:47:16
Well, I wasn't holding up Fulham or Tete as an example as much as I was drawing proper attention to what a joke of a club this is. The problems haven't gone away, people… wake up.
Paul Hewitt
319 Posted 30/07/2023 at 20:58:55
It's only pre season but some have already given up.
Ben King
321 Posted 30/07/2023 at 21:02:49
Paul #319,

No one has given up but given we need around 3-4 forward or offensive players to bolster the squad and quality (and ideally a centre-back and creative midfielder).

Yet we seemingly cannot attract a striker of quality (who was the last one we bought in? Richarlison 4 seasons ago?) and we've just about survived relegation the last 2 seasons.

Then it's justifiable for the natives to get restless.

Tony Abrahams
322 Posted 30/07/2023 at 21:05:51
Not a problem, Paul. I will still have to go to Goodison to drop my youngest child off to his older cousin. My decision is a purely personal choice but, even if Kenwright leaves, I will still give you the ticket whenever you want to go, mate.

I expect loads of people will be after the ticket for the derby, and I might even get a couple of new mates, but feel free to ask me when you want to go to Goodison, Paul, and try and give me a little bit of notice beforehand!

Ray Jacques
323 Posted 30/07/2023 at 21:06:23
Couple of musings for the upcoming season:

1. Pickford is going to be busy.
2. We will rarely score more than one goal per game.
3. We will be the most boring team in the league.
4. Calvert-Lewin will be sold before the season starts.
5. Liverpool will hammer us at Anfield and Keane will be sent off.
6. Dyche won't see out the season.
7. We won't have a cup run.
8. Kenwright will still be chairman at season's end.
9. We will be in the Bottom 6 most of the season with a threat of relegation but likely stay up by a few points.
10. There will be no improvement or sign of better things.
11. The new ground won't be ready.
12. Ashley Young will be the best outfield player.

Nothing earth-staggeringly surprising there, just the reality of supporting a club run by knobheads.

Paul Tran
325 Posted 30/07/2023 at 21:09:44
Cheers Tony, you'll get plenty of notice !!
Peter Hodgson
326 Posted 30/07/2023 at 21:10:43
Tony @301

Never a truer word was spoken when you said I know I'm a militant, but it's just one pre-season friendly to use and tell the whole world we don't want Moshiri or Kenwright at our club, because we have lost every single ounce of faith in them and believe they are only going to lead us into the Championship if they stay. Even the players must be getting very frustrated at the lack of signings now.

You aren't a militant but you are a true Blue who expects proper governance of our Club and to be told the truth when they do speak to us. Neither thing happens. Things have been going downhill for some considerable time and you are spot on when you say that us fans aren't angry yet but they sure as hell will get that way if things don't change pdq.

Personally I'm lost for words wondering what is going through their minds. My only thought is that they are both hoping that we get relegated and stay that way for a long time. What else are we to make of their actions?

Tony Abrahams
327 Posted 30/07/2023 at 21:18:49
I've said it that many times that I must be boring to listen to by now, Peter, but one thing is certain, and that is that if I could do to Liverpool Football Club what Bill Kenwright has been allowed to do to Everton, I'd die a very happy man.

It's why I can't accept that he has been a real and genuine Evertonian for all of his life. Once again, I might be wrong.

Paul Tran
328 Posted 30/07/2023 at 21:25:49
Tony, I think the issue with Young Mr Grace is that he genuinely believes he is the 'heart and soul' of
Everton and that we wouldn't be the same without him.

He's right, but not in the way he thinks...

And his ego won't let him leave without a 'high', so he wont be going anywhere till we're taken over by people who can run a business with governance.

Brian Wilkinson
329 Posted 30/07/2023 at 21:27:13
You know things have hit rock bottom, when even Stephen Morrissey avoids writing a song about our plight.

Not even got the fight to post a meaningful comment on ToffeeWeb, my expectations have hit rock bottom and not even a buoyant Danny O can wake me from the fear of what is about to happen to our great football club.

Sorry to be negative for a change, but Bill has sucked the life of our football club.

Danny Baily
330 Posted 30/07/2023 at 21:57:56
Tony 327, Kenwright hasn't set out to harm the club. You could argue that, by the time he took over, the ship had sailed in terms of putting us on a level footing with the likes of utd, arsenal and our neighbours from a commercial perspective. There were missteps (Kings Dock, kitbag) but on the whole we were managed well enough throughout his tenure.

But it's time for him to go. Dale 313's post sums up the toxicity around the club and the need for a clean break. A misunderstanding leads to that same knee jerk reaction.

A fresh narrative is needed. But we also need to accept that our current predicament is not all BK's doing.

Gary Brown
331 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:02:55
Nicolo Schira reporting there’s truth in DCL to Roma on loan. Not exactly Romano, but it’s a good source.

Only logical conclusion is we are trying to get relegated. Can’t see the logic in that, but it’s the only explanation there is.

Paul Ferry
332 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:18:01
George Cumiskey, you've very conveniently for you sidestepped the questions by reverting to type and turning them into comments from you about us.

The question was: what was there in the Villa/Brentford game that should make us "very afraid"? To elaborate: what was it in those poor defensive displays that should make us "very afraid"?

You made it a question of this match George, you've dived and ducked ever since.

"My god [you say] … has anyone actually watched our preseason games???"

We all have, don't insult people. What was it in THAT game you mentioned that you saw that should make us "very afraid"?

Tony Abrahams
333 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:21:23
You have your opinion Danny, and I have mine. Kenwright set out to make a fortune out of Everton, and the man has succeeded which means that on a personal level, he has been nothing but a very successful man. Everton on the other hand are going through the longest barren spell in their entire 145 year history, even though they were allegedly punching above their weight for a lot of this genuinely tedious period. (like a lot of other stuff this is genuinely very hard to believe)

Plucky little Everton, would have ended up playing in Kirkby, if Bill Kenwright would have had his way, even though he said he was glad that this move was eventually knocked back. Surely this means he must have known all along that moving to Kirkby would have been a long term disaster for Everton Football Club? Even if it would have given the club a chance of receiving more footfall!!!!!!

Considering how quietly everyone becomes when they are asked to leave Everton, I’m curious to know if people have to sign a confidential disclosure upon departure? I’m not really, I’m actually bored to death of the speculation now, and can’t see anything good happening to our club until we have new owners, and new people in the boardroom.

John Connor
334 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:28:27
Its been a long time since I have seen so many negative comments on ToffeeWeb, before a season has started. W usually think we are going into Europe, even if this is always optimistic. Its not looking good in the transfer market and we are still without a decent proven striker after almost 2 years. BUT after last season even a bottom three finish will be less nerve wracking, because a lot on here are expecting it, something we didn't think possible 12 months ago. I would love to see Everton at the top again and winning trophies, but unsure if this will happen in my life time ( I'm 65). I go to support the team meet friends and family who I have been going with for over 50 years, its a family thing. I never want to see us go down, but will also never give up a season ticket, if we do. I'll be disappointed but the club are more important to my life than the current crop of inept players and board. The fans make this club and they will still be there ( possibly trophy-less) when the current lot are well gone. Every football fan likes a moan but we really need to not get on the negative bandwagon before the season has kicked off.
Nick Page
335 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:28:58


Paul Ferry
336 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:31:35
That should do it Nick, sorted, good job.
Mark Taylor
337 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:37:08
I've been a fan for over 55 years and I've never been as pessimistic as now. Not even in the 'dark days' of Lee and Kendall mark 3 including immediate successors and predecessors. At least in those days there were teams who were bad and with little money to spend.

We have some potentially OK players, albeit not enough, and a decent manager but I'm not sure that cuts it these days.

Part way through last season I said there was a clear and present danger of the club disintegrating before our eyes. I see no evidence to change that opinion and that, while not certain, we have if anything, moved closer to that point. These are scary times to be a supporter of this club. My heart goes out to the younger generation who have not had the pleasure of seeing two truly great world class sides to leaven the pain

Nick Page
338 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:42:06
Thanks John. You do realise that sort of complacency is exactly why we are where we are? And the fans won’t be there, John. Everton Football Club is not attracting them anymore. The club is becoming totally irrelevant, nothing more than a living museum with tedious ramblings about its history (which is all pre-millennium). Thanks to Bill Kenwright strangling the life out of it, and this fucking Russian stooge buying his shares. Unless they’re gone, and that’s up to the fans, then down and down we will go as we are the worst run club in the four divisions. Make no mistake.
Nick Page
339 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:44:02
Hope so, Paul 👍
David West
340 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:45:40
Tony 327 & Danny 330
I don't belive kenwright set out to destroy Everton. I do belive he initially wanted the best for the club.
However, once he was financially invested in the club that's when his priorities changed.

People can say he got lucky with Moyes, but he still chose him, and that turned out to be the best decision he ever made at this Club.

Moyes' success in building a team, spotting players, developing players, selling players for profits masked the ineptitude of the board to back it up with the commercial strategy and plan to grow the overall business.
It was David Moyes that gave us the only "good times" under this chairman.
The board failed to capitalise they just sat in the background expecting Moyes to buy cheap, develop and sell players keep us at that best of the rest level.

When it became clear Chairman Bill would never have the funds or intelligence to compete with the new super rich owners like abramovich, it became about money & protecting his investment.

That's fair enough I like to look after my money, but when his actions are actually damaging the very thing he is supposed to care about, then he can't hide.
He kept a stake when he sold to Moshiri to see if he could make another load of money if successful.
I'd bet he's hanging around to see if there's any way he could wrestle control back, should Moshiri sell.

A narcissist, someone who has a unreasonably high sense of their own importance.
He believes he's the only one who can "Save " Everton. He's the only one qualified, he's the best man for the Job !!!
Why this is dragging on to the start of this new season is just ridiculous.
It stinks, Moshiri must either be scared that Billy knows too much of his dodgy dealings, or is being held to ransom by Bill who could bring moshiri, the new stadium, the club and the whole pack of cards tumbling down.


Barry Hesketh
341 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:50:19
Nick @338
I think a large portion of Evertonians want to see the back of Moshiri and Kenwright, however, no amount of protests will see them leave. They'll only leave when somebody stumps up the cash to buy the club and the fans can't influence that.

In fact, it's possible that any demonstrations at this juncture may harm any prospects of either or both men leaving, due to the likes of MSP getting cold-feet on any deals, which may be in the pipe-line.

Perhaps, that's the strategy, string the fans along, get them good and angry and then they can blame us for prolonging the demise of the club as potential investors walk away into the sunset.

Paul Ferry
342 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:50:34
Cheers Nick.
Nick Page
343 Posted 30/07/2023 at 22:59:03
From Daily Mail article:

“ The shots, taken by Daily Mail photographer Bruce Adams last Wednesday, illustrate what still appears to be a fairly skeletal structure.

Everton say the 53,000-capacity venue, on the banks of the Mersey, should be open ‘in the final months of 2024’ but there are concerns they may have to remain at Goodison Park for another two seasons.

By comparison, Tottenham’s new home opened three years after the project was signed off in 2016.”

Barry Hesketh
344 Posted 30/07/2023 at 23:02:58
Nick @343
I think that was possibly the laziest piece of 'journalism' I've encountered, it might have a grain of truth in it, but a deeper delve might expose that Spurs took just as long to plan and build their place, and they were in a far healthier financial position compared to the Everton of recent years. Clickbait at it's finest which is why I didn't bother to post a link to it, which I usually do if it's something I think may be of interest to the TW family.
Nick Page
345 Posted 30/07/2023 at 23:12:17
Agreed, Barry. There may be a grain of truth in it (not that we’d be told) but we also had to fill in an entire dock. The media loves the kicking the club and the club - Kenwright & Co - does absolutely fuck all about it. I just the funding is secured, ring-fenced as Honest Bill would say. Lol
Christine Foster
346 Posted 30/07/2023 at 23:45:47
Tainted by incompetence and greed. Tony I confess I feel the same way you do and worse still, I can see no nice way out of our current situation. Before anyone says I am being negative, it doesn't matter how much money you have if you cannot spend it, or if Noone wants to come. Players aren't stupid, no player is coming to the club to further their career, even to be seen in the shop window..
The damage has been done, the only solution for the club is a rebuild and new ownership. Not another 24/7 investment search. Failure to remove the owner and chairman will mean relegation. It's as simple as that, cause and effect.
We are not even a laughing stock anymore, we are quietly pitied by others who in future days will look at Everton FC and shudder, how could they have got it so wrong?
This was meant to be an article Tony, because I am heartbroken that a team I was born into, became woven into the very fabric of my life, has become an instrument of torture to my soul. This is purgatory on earth.
People can bend history, a story, into a million different ways, but the unmistakable truth is the demise of this club started in Ernest with the involvement of Bill Kenwright, it escalated with his pals, Green, Earle, it became a vehicle to make money while asset stripping what it had.
People say you cannot just blame Kenwright, they are right, he was out of his depth with Green, out of his depth with Moshiri who is a monumental fool to have believed Kenwright. But it is Kenwright who has destroyed the club. He "sold" the dream to Moshiri who never wanted to be involved with the playing side, but saw a real estate opportunity to add to his portfolio.
They both should be driven out of the club. They are a Little and Large, a straight man and buffoon.
Alas, the final word in the matter may be heard in October from the independent commission.
So Tony, I get it. The Fool and the Conman have broken hearts, but they cannot take your love for the club, no one can and that my friend is worth more than any damage done by this pair. It may take years I have not got but no matter, all things must pass.
Kieran Kinsella
347 Posted 31/07/2023 at 00:59:12
Neil Copeland

As a dedicated respected and wise away fan nutter who travels the world supporting Everton when I saw you saying “I don’t know where else to share this” I was hoping you’d found the Arteta money, patched the hole in the Kirkby ring fence, found the fortress fund check lost in the mail or negotiated the signing of a new striker. The return of Ross doesn’t really cut the mustard mate. Try again we need GOOD news

Jonathan Oppenheimer
348 Posted 31/07/2023 at 01:44:25
Kieran and Neil, I needed a good laugh on this Sunday evening. That kind of rumour just about sums up the absurdity of Everton fandom these days. And because it’s so absurd, it’s probably true. If not, just start another off-the-wall Facebook story tomorrow. There’s nothing else to smile about.
Kieran Kinsella
349 Posted 31/07/2023 at 02:53:17
Jonathan lol

No kidding. I was just reflecting on the fact it’s about a year since the three of us endured watching Dele in his pink shirt missing sitters in the humbling at Inchys hands. Whatever anyone wants to say about this pre season it’s got to be better than that one — in the field anyway — off the field was a lot of fun.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
350 Posted 31/07/2023 at 03:48:04
I'm forever grateful that I'll remember that night for knocking back too many beers with you guys than whatever happened on the pitch.

It makes me appreciate the anxiety supporters feel when things aren't going well in pre-season, knowing that a very mediocre Minnesota United could make us look that bad last year when we were fielding a mostly full-strength squad. I think I was just so happy to see Everton in person that I didn't care.

Kieran Kinsella
351 Posted 31/07/2023 at 04:05:44

It was a good time. All these miserable gits who moan about ToffeeWeb being negative. It's brought a lot of us together in person or on the phone, eg WhatsApp my mate Derek Knox etc. Cheers to Lyndon and Michael for that.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
352 Posted 31/07/2023 at 04:33:25
Kieran, at the end of the day, pride and love for the club comes from the fellowship and camaraderie we all feel with and for one another. It's why TW has allowed my passion for the club to grow so much these past few years.

And it wouldn't be sport without the bitching and moaning, so a small price to pay for feeling a part of something much bigger than ourselves and all the relationships built on here and in person.

Of course it's also nice to play attractive football once in awhile, too, which hasn't been our strong suit of late.

Ernie Baywood
353 Posted 31/07/2023 at 05:31:32
Can't shake the feeling that I could have been looking forward to the possibility of a successful season in the Championship right now.

As it is, I haven't watched a minute of preseason for the first time since they became available online. They're on in the middle of the night for me – and what am I going to learn?

I'm moderately interested in seeing what Danjuma is about. That's about it though.

I'm actually dreading the new season. We pretty much already know what is going to happen. We're going to circle the drain again and then find out whether it was the last time around or not.

Ray Smith
354 Posted 31/07/2023 at 06:58:08
Christine 346

You must be physic, because you have outlined exactly how I feel in respect of our beloved club.

I first went to Goodison in 1964 aged 13, albeit I supported them before that, not being allowed to go (another story).
I am not a vindictive person by nature, but find myself constantly berating Bill Kenwright.

We have to painfully wait for him to go (please) before the tide turns. He's not 100% to blame, but in the middle to high 90%, along with his cronies and Moshiri, who is with us for one reason only! Money, and staying only until he recoups his investment with his pal Usmanov.

Regrettably, Christine, I won't be around to see the phoenix rising from the ashes, but that's the joy(!) of being an Evertonian.

Dave Abrahams
355 Posted 31/07/2023 at 07:40:59
Christine (346),

People might say you are being negative or even overly dramatic but your post is the way I feel about our club. Part of my life, a big part, crumbling in front of me.

And I bet many more Evertonians are feeling like that. We are an empty shell at the moment and a long way from challenging for silverware. Nothing can be said to change that view, it's a fact; please prove me wrong, Barry Rathbone!

I'm going away for a brief holiday. I will be back to attend the Sporting Lisbon game. I hope there will be some surprises for me by then, pleasant ones for a change!

Neil Copeland
356 Posted 31/07/2023 at 08:11:22
Jonathan and Kieran, I was reflecting on that trip too. It was brilliant I agree, great memories despite the football.

Facebook is a right mix of some truth and some very bizarre stories, let's just hope this one is the latter.

Danny O’Neill
357 Posted 31/07/2023 at 08:26:31
This is actually a really interesting thread with, as always, a lot of diverse views, which I don't mind.

Tony Abrahams, you are no militant, just a very frustrated Evertonian, as are all of us.

Some sussed Kenwright early, others later. But the vast majority now cannot accept him remaining. Even the last bastion of those who offer some sort of rationality must see it? I really can't understand why the owner can't.

Without knowing the facts about potential investment, once again, seeming indecisiveness is crippling us and the lack of meaningful communication alienating the support base.

He has been the consistent factor in the gradual decline from the position of being League Champions twice in 3 years. Almost 3 times. As with any walk of life, once you realise you are out of your depth and it's not working, you make the decision or are told.

I'm going to sound as repetitive as others. When we found a Billionaire, that was surely the time for change at the top. We didn't. Some would argue sooner, but I don't know what options we had.

How the entire board didn't get relieved of their duties after two seasons of near catastrophic failure, sailing as close to the wind as you can get, is beyond me.

It has happened 4 times whilst he has been on the shift intermitted by being happy with our mediocre lot and a reckless spending spree that seems to have crippled the club for now.

Another repetition alert. As much as I love her and as much as I am looking forward to that first match at Bramley-Moore Dock, Goodison Park is still virtually the same Goodison Park I went to as a kid. Apart from a plastic roof on the Gwladys Street and a cheap stand at the Park End.

Then, in comparison to the same era, I see Old Trafford, the Emirates, the Tottenham Stadium, Lucifer's Den rising above Stanley Park, St James' Park, Stamford Bridge, Villa Park, Brentford's new stadium.

We stood still.

But in a couple of weeks, we get behind the team because it's what we do. I'm with Christine. Hang in there. We could surprise ourselves.

And the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock is rising.

On we go.

But I really don't see how the Chairman can remain. I really don't.

Tony Abrahams
358 Posted 31/07/2023 at 08:31:19
Barry and Nick, this might actually be the opposite of what you're saying, Nick, and it's the club who are using the press to throw out a few scaremongering stories?

I sound like I'm being very far-fetched but I've often stated that I don't trust Kenwright – and Moshiri is also definitely in this same bracket now.

They must be very worried that some fans are going to really start delving into matters Liverpudlian style with regards Moshiri's connections to Usmanov, putting two and two together. Why else would Kenwright have Moshiri by the balls?

They will also know that the only thing that is keeping a lid on things is that the new stadium is getting built. Keep building it slowly, but make sure the masses know that without this new stadium, Everton are going to be in no man's land for a very long time.

This should keep them off our backs just enough because even these Evertonians aren't stupid and they only have to drive along the Dock Road to see the stadium is coming along very nicely. No wonder I don't want to speculate anymore!!

Tony Abrahams
359 Posted 31/07/2023 at 08:41:11
You definitely get it, Christine, and it sounds like you know me better than I know myself, even though we have never met each other in person. (Maybe one day🤞 there's a spare ticket there if you ever need one Girl!)

I don't want to go to Goodison because I'm angry, I thought I was just doing it out of principle, but you have just told me the real reason why I've come to make the choice that I have.

If Kenwright goes the game, it'll get very toxic, and if Kenwright doesn't go the game, it makes it easier to understand that he should already be gone. (If this makes sense…)

Ray Smith
360 Posted 31/07/2023 at 08:47:20
Danny 361

Agree with you 100%

My view on your comments regarding Kenwright is that he has something on him that keeps Moshiri from pushing him out of the door!

Unfounded I know, just my take on the situation!

Brent Stephens
363 Posted 31/07/2023 at 09:17:48
Nick #343 when the Mail says "there are concerns they may have to remain at Goodison Park for another two seasons," that's old news, isn't it? People in the construction industry have posted on this site saying that finishing the build by xmas 2004 still requires simulating aspects of real-life events to ensure everything thing is fine - hence "another two seasons"?
Marc Hints
364 Posted 31/07/2023 at 09:40:53
So Everton have a reported target, then Tentative Enquiry, then weighing up the move, Then have a mild interest and now we are Eagerly looking! No wonder we haven't signed anyone, thats a list to get through!
Rennie Smith
365 Posted 31/07/2023 at 09:46:59
Nick #343, what a piece of crap from that rag:

"The shots, taken by Daily Mail photographer Bruce Adams last Wednesday, illustrate what still appears to be a fairly skeletal structure"

Of course it is, what do they want to start with the seats first and work down?

I'm actually amazed at the progress they've made, they conveniently forget to mention the dock had to be filled and secured first as well.

Don't trust anything written in the press about on- or off-the-field affairs

Rob Halligan
366 Posted 31/07/2023 at 09:47:52
Brent, I think this is the article that Nick refers too. What it doesn't say is that the actual building process only started around March or April 2022, about sixteen months or so ago. What we see above ground level shows how quickly Laing O'Rourke have constructed the stadium.

The Daily Mail article doesn't mention that the site had to be cleared of old warehouses etc, or that the dock had to be filled in. A gobshite rag……

Everton's new stadium is far from completion after 2 years of building work

Steve Johnston
367 Posted 31/07/2023 at 09:51:24
Manchester United agree 10-year extension with Adidas worth at least £900m

Everton agree 900-year extension with Kitbag worth at least £10

Brent Stephens
368 Posted 31/07/2023 at 09:55:30
Rennie, Rob "The shots, taken by Daily Mail photographer Bruce Adams last Wednesday, illustrate what still appears to be a fairly skeletal structure."

So, based on shots taken from outside (no inside knowledge; no knowledge).

"Appears to be" - that's pretty definitive, then!

"Fairly skeletal" - ah, those technical construction terms!

Tony Everan
369 Posted 31/07/2023 at 10:15:16
If any Evertonians out there still buy the Daily Mail they should stop now. There are regular snide reports like this one trickling out of that paper.

Same with that joke Goodison News site, don't give them clicks, too many snide headlines to be a coincidence.

Clive Rogers
370 Posted 31/07/2023 at 10:31:22
Ray, 365,

“Kenwright has something on him that keeps Moshiri from pushing him out the door”.

It doesn't begin with sh and end in t does it?

Ben King
371 Posted 31/07/2023 at 11:13:39
To all those saying, ‘wait until the transfer window is closed before you judge' and ‘why are you being so pessimistic?'

We've been here before: the longer we leave it to buy our forward option (a), the less time the selling club has to get in their replacements which means either (i) they'll say ‘no', and/or (ii) said forward options will cost a premium

We've been down this road so so many times before… why can the idiots in charge of administrating this club ever learn anything???

Paul Hewitt
372 Posted 31/07/2023 at 11:17:19
People do realise we have zero money to spend.

I don't for one second believe we were in for the lad that went Atalanta. Loans and free transfers is all we will be signing.

Nick Page
373 Posted 31/07/2023 at 11:31:44
Apols to all the Daily Mail comments - I was pointing out the club shouldn’t let that stuff go to print. As it damages the value of the club (see above).

And I don’t believe anything I see or read in any the press cos they’re all fucking lying bastards with an agenda. Journalism died years ago.

Alan J Thompson
374 Posted 31/07/2023 at 11:46:25
Oh, I see, you don't read the Daily Mail – just comment on what's in it and think it should be censored.
Nick Page
375 Posted 31/07/2023 at 12:15:08
Hahahaha #383. 🙄
Jonathan Tasker
376 Posted 31/07/2023 at 12:19:13
Some fantastic comments above.

It's taken a while but it's good that everyone now accepts that Kenwright is the worst thing to affect Everton since 1878. Like several posters above, I do believe Kenwright has some dirt on Moshiri and that's the reason he's still kept on.

It's long been my view that Kenwright will never leave. Well, I suppose he'll die eventually. So what's to be done?

I think the fans need to boycott matches and stay away until Kenwright has gone. Sky won't tolerate a largely empty Goodison and that could force him out. It's drastic but it's the only way.

The alternative is to watch on as the club goes to League One in successive seasons.

Kim Vivian
377 Posted 31/07/2023 at 12:20:07
What appears to be a fairly skeletal empty space is the inside of one Mike Keegan's head.

From what I can see ...

Danny O’Neill
378 Posted 31/07/2023 at 12:20:54
I stopped reading the Daily Mail years ago. In fact, I don't bother with the mainstream press too much these days. For my sins, I watch BBC Breakfast in the morning, which I get told off for as it's similarly being told off and telling us that armageddon is inevitable.

The Mail is like being told off by your Women's Institute lecturing Aunty who is always telling you off.

A nothing story. Most know that it is highly probable we will wait for the next season rather than move half way through. That has been reported and discussed for about 6 months. It isn't breaking news.

My brother took a few shots for me over the weekend. I don't believe we go this far without finishing the job.

Christopher Timmins
379 Posted 31/07/2023 at 12:24:47
Tony A, it's truly a sad state of affairs when guys like you are not intending to visit Goodison during the season ahead.

It's just beggars belief that Kenwright is still in situ.

Christine has it spot on when she refers to the lack of interest in any young talent pitching up their tent at Goodison Park for the 2023-24 season. For many in the football community, we are a no-go area.

Raymond Fox
380 Posted 31/07/2023 at 12:28:11
Re the media, they are a necessary pain in the arse. Okay, there are some need-to-know bits in their announcements but 95% of it is of no account.

If there is no juicey disasters to get them salivating, they have to fill the gap with made-up tripe like "as it's been rumoured" and such like.

Paul Ferry
381 Posted 31/07/2023 at 12:44:03
Take a bow Jonathan (385).

For so long you were the only one on here who pointed out Kenwright's failings, frailties, and foibles. Nobody else, just you, and for that we are all shamed, humble, chastened, but very grateful to you in retrospect as we remember you ploughing your lonesome furrow.

We also now all recognise how inspirational and courageous of you it was to call so long ago for Goodison boycotts, and I, for one, am admiring but feeling self-failure at the same time with those wonderful pictures of you leading the demonstrations outside the once great Old Lady.

I have begun a petition, and I firmly believe that Lyndon and Michael will give it their full backing, that ToffeeWeb should be renamed Taskerweb.

I think its important that your courage and leadership should be recognised, not least by yourself.

Barry Hesketh
382 Posted 31/07/2023 at 13:03:32
Jason Stockwood, Chair of Grimsby Town, mulls the modern ownership of clubs and how it impacts the fans connection to their beloved clubs.

Ownership sets the tone and establishes the moral priorities of an organisation. Owners determine how a club aligns itself with its past and its fans, encompassing longstanding supporters and newcomers. The decisions made by ownership shape the club's orientation and its ability to honour its history while meeting the expectations and values of its supporters in the present.

Manchester City's ownership tests the values and connection of a fanbase

Jonathan Tasker
383 Posted 31/07/2023 at 13:09:34
Paul 390.
Thanks for your kind words.
Much appreciated.
John McFarlane Snr
387 Posted 31/07/2023 at 14:38:21
HI Jonathan [385] I often wonder how many 'fans' who recommend a boycott actually attend games.

As someone who has been watching games since 1948, I am not as passionate as I used to be, but missing a game that I am able to attend is out of the question. I'm aware of the club's problems and who is responsible for them, but as I have stated once or twice on this site, "When there is a game at Goodison my world is 120 yds x 70 yds". I also say that I appear to be programmed.

Bobby Mallon
388 Posted 05/08/2023 at 17:54:49
Barry 341.

Somebody did stump up the cash to buy the club but Kenwright would not sell all of it, and he won't sell all of it now, so someone won't buy us – we are stuck.

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