Reports: Everton make improved offer for Ché Adams

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Everton are in talks again with Southampton over the potential transfer of Ché Adams for a fee and are said to have upped their offer to £15m after having had an initial bid rejected.

Reporter Shamoon Hafez at BBC Sport claimed late on Thursday that the Blues were negotiating with the recently-relegated Saints over a £12m deal to bring the Scot to Goodison Park, a year after they failed to land him in a more expensive deal.

According to The Telegraph and "the Bobble", Everton have made an improved offer worth up to £15m for the 27-year-old.

Southampton were loathe to lose Adams in the 2022 summer transfer window and were reportedly demanding in excess of £20m for the former Birmingham City man, a price tag that Everton couldn't meet and they ended up signing Neal Maupay from Brighton instead in the waning days of the window.

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Maupay has struggled for goals since signing for the same £12m that the Toffees could end up shelling out for Adams and with Dominic Calvert-Lewin's fitness not yet a given, Director of Football, Kevin Thelwell, is continuing the search for striking options.

At 5' 9", Adams isn't the archetypal Calvert-Lewin replacement that Evertonians were expecting the club to target this summer and his record of a goal every 4½ games on the south coast is inferior to Maupay's at Brighton, but the former is viewed as a more effective all-round player than the two who will be much better suited to playing the lone striker role.

Should a deal be concluded, Adams would become Everton's fifth signing of the summer following the arrival of Jack Harrison from Leeds and it could grease the wheels for Maupay's departure should a suitable offer come in for him.

The Frenchman was close to joining Salernitana in Italy in January but the move collapsed.

Meanwhile, Adams, who scored 10 goals in 35 games in all competitions last season, has netted in both of Southampton's  EFL games so far this season, bagging the winner on the opening day at Sheffield Wednesday and claiming the third in Saints' 4-4 draw with Norwich last Saturday.

He is in the final 12 months of this contract and while new Southampton boss Russell Martin doesn't want to lose him, Everton believe their offer is a fair one. However, according to subsequent reports, an opening bid worth up to £12m has been knocked back.


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Kevin Molloy
1 Posted 17/08/2023 at 23:42:00
Unexciting but vital we get this position filled.
Kieran Kinsella
2 Posted 17/08/2023 at 23:49:04
If true it seems like a desperation move much like Maupay last summer. We already have a squad of players whose all around game is an excuse for a lack of goals. We don’t need a striker with the same problem. I’d sooner keep Gray even as an auxiliary striker who can’t head
Darren Franko
3 Posted 17/08/2023 at 23:52:41
Nearing the bottom of the list of strikers it seems. This lad can be a handful and is probably about our limit currently, so get him in and let’s crack on.
Denis Richardson
4 Posted 17/08/2023 at 23:54:16
Could we not simply swap him for Maupay and keep the cash for someone else?

Maupay scored loads in the Championship a few years back. We get to test Adam’s for ‘free’ and Maypay gets free of his Everton nightmare.

Win win….

John Malone
5 Posted 17/08/2023 at 23:58:59
Uninspiring but a definite upgrade on the umpa lumpa Maupay!

Bigger, stonger, faster and can strike a ball and win a header.

As said above wish it was a straight swap to offload Maupay off the wage bill.

Mike Allison
6 Posted 18/08/2023 at 00:04:40
I really can’t see how this is going to be the answer.
Kieran Kinsella
7 Posted 18/08/2023 at 00:06:45
Che Guevara even in death offers more of an attacking threat. BBC reporting it now FFS must have legs
Oliver Molloy
8 Posted 18/08/2023 at 00:14:50
Brilliant, he might get us 6 goals if he plays every game.
I'd rather throw Cannon in.
Waste of money.
Alex Gray
10 Posted 18/08/2023 at 00:23:25
Bar last season he has a worse scoring record than Maupay. Let that sink in.

I pray this is utter rubbish. I refuse to believe out of all the targets available Che Adams was the only one we could get.

He may be a bit of a workhorse but he doesn't score goals. We don't need someone who can just hold the ball up we need goals in the team. An utter waste of our transfer budget and wages. It's the Maupay deal all over again.

Kieran Kinsella
11 Posted 18/08/2023 at 00:38:01
I’d compare him with Marcus Bent a hard worker who doesn’t score. Difference being that in 2005 with Bent leading the line we had 20 goals combined from Cahill and Osman alone. We don’t have those goals in this midfield
Nick Page
12 Posted 18/08/2023 at 00:42:23
What a laughing stock. I feel for Dyche like I felt for Moyes all those years. But one thought remains….


And Btw - Thelwell and the Everton scouting system… do us all a favour and fuck off too you useless shower of pricks. Nothing has improved one bit.

Brighton and bust fucking Hove Albion who didn’t even have a ground a few years ago are making you munchkins look like a proper bunch of overpaid turkeys. Just do one the lot of you. Amateurs.

Alex Gray
13 Posted 18/08/2023 at 00:46:35
Spot on Kieran. In addition he still doesn't suit the way we play. He's not fast and is 5ft9. He's literally Maupay but can hold the ball up better. He won't be winning much in the air against 6ft4 defenders so crosses are pointless.
Mark Taylor
14 Posted 18/08/2023 at 00:52:43
Well, we are bottom feeders these days so what do you expect?

Surely Maupay plus less cash would be possible if this is all we can do?

Alex Gray
15 Posted 18/08/2023 at 00:59:40
We're assuming Southampton want Maupay. They do however want Holgate. It may be controversial but if this is our only option i'd rather us not sign him and save the money. He won't score many goals and it's 12 mil down the drain.

There are better options out there. They may be a risk being from a foreign league but i'd rather we take a risk than buying a player that we already know can't hack it.

Nick Page
16 Posted 18/08/2023 at 01:05:43
Mark, do you think rolling over and accepting this is ok? We’ve scraped by two relegation battles on the run and learned nothing. This is worse than 94 and 98. BUT we got lucky. These fucks still can’t see the problems. Our net spend over the last five years is a cumulative £45m - 18th in the league yet FFP are still after us. This club under Kenwright never puts up a fight (what else is going on?) on or off the pitch. We’re the biggest laughing stock going.
But surely, SURELY, Everton Football Club can do better than this even if we’ve been reduced to so called bottom feeding (Brighton, Brentford et al have been doing it for years).

It’s the mentality of the club that’s the problem.

Phil Malone
17 Posted 18/08/2023 at 01:06:39
Screams desperation. 5'9" industrious desperation signing who doesn't score goals? Already got one thanks.

Darren 3 - My heart sank when I read that this is way down the list, because it absolutely is. That's worrying.

Our scouting team haven't found anyone better for 12m that will come to us in world football...

All Thelwell. He's been after Che Adams for about 3 managers. If I'm honest, I have been quite surprised with our activity this window in a positive way. I feared the worst for our budget after bringing in Young. But, points don't start after deadline day. There's not showing your hand and then theirs showing where we're willing to stoop.

Our search for a striker of decent ability isn't helped by a terrible start to the league.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
18 Posted 18/08/2023 at 01:33:43
There are ways this works out, as others have noted. If somehow it’s combined with offloading Holgate and/or Maupay, and we don’t overpay meaning more than £10-12, and Danjuma and Harrison and McNeil get us 6-8 goals each, and DCL is mostly healthy, and when Adams plays he’s a clear step up from Maupay and bags 4-6 goals — if all or most of those things happen it could be a success. Not entirely impossible.

I do have a tough time jumping on board the argument that saving the money and going with Cannon or some unknown from France is the answer. If we did that and it failed we’d all be screaming that we didn’t bring in an experienced proven 2nd rate player from the PL or Championship.

Or that we didn’t at least give the corpse of Che Guevara a shot.

Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 18/08/2023 at 01:41:36
There are six guys in MLS and Liga MX who could be got for the same money and are better than Che Adams.

Thelwell ought to know that better than anyone. He worked here.

Denver Daniels
20 Posted 18/08/2023 at 01:57:05
Che Zach Everton Fred Adams is his full name apparently. Guess you can't hate a guy with that 3rd name.
Denver Daniels
21 Posted 18/08/2023 at 02:00:49
If he scores 3 goals he'd have beaten the combined goals tally of Rondon and Maupay. The bar has truly been set at an all time low.
Steve Carter
22 Posted 18/08/2023 at 02:24:28
Add to that, Kieran [11], that Marcus at least was a big(ish) unit that at least troubled central defenders physically, freeing up space, as you say, for the likes of Cahill (to get his head on to it) and Osman (to Johnny in on the floor).
Kieran Kinsella
23 Posted 18/08/2023 at 03:12:28

Che Guevara definitely deserves a shot the Argentine Lukaku. How was your trip to Canada? We had a great time up on Lake Superior East of your domain but no UFOs or Big foot :(

Jonathan Oppenheimer
24 Posted 18/08/2023 at 03:37:11
Kieran, it was incredibly beautiful. Banff and Jasper are as pretty as any places I’ve ever been. Unfortunately we asked too much of the kids and by day 4 the kids hated us, we hated each other, I hated myself as a parent and totally regretted the year of useless planning we did. Should’ve waited probably 2 more years to ask the kids to do 9 days of hiking and sleeping in 4 different places. The real kicker is that now I’m forced to reconsider the trip to Goodison in April, can’t justify that time and money if everyone is miserable. May have to pull a Mike Gaynes and go alone (assuming that’s how you’re rolling, Mike) or just with the boy or the missus. Whatever the decision it will not be ideal and sucks. At least I got to miss watching us cough up 3 points on opening day.

Mike, genuinely curious the names of the strikers whom you’d get from over here who are significantly better than Adams. And of those, would you actually advocate for them or just that they’d be better buys in that hypothetical? I assume Brandon Vasquez is one — who else? I wouldn’t take Ferreira just like I think Pepi’s move to Europe was premature. I don’t follow Liga MX.

Lester Yip
25 Posted 18/08/2023 at 03:37:48
I would avoid. He worked hard like Maupay but again cannot finish. Don't make the same mistake.
Joe Digney
26 Posted 18/08/2023 at 03:39:57
Going to try stay positive on this one. Adams suits the system a lot more than Maupay, he’s quicker, stronger and a better finisher (even me nans a better finisher tbh) than maupay and he’ll go straight into the side for Sunday if wrapped up quickly. There’s a chance we flog Holgate to them as part of the deal too as they’ve wanted him all summer.

It isn’t the flashy name we all wanted as the striker signing but if it means we have more remaining money to finish the gnonto deal or another explosive winger then so be it.

Plus his middle name is Everton so it’s meant to be 😂🤦🏻‍♂️.

Alan J Thompson
27 Posted 18/08/2023 at 03:51:20
Is he short comparatively speaking, does he have trouble scoring more than 10 goals a season, would he be happy as second choice striker, did his last club get relegated and does he cost 15M or less?

If the answer to all is yes then he meets all Everton's criteria, Merseyside Penny Pinchers. Will we avoid relegation? Are we aiming for anything more?

Bob Parrington
28 Posted 18/08/2023 at 03:52:30
Jonathan @ 24
Your film was great, too.
I've been to both Jasper and Banff Springs (played golf there). Great area of the world.
All this talk on here about Adams and Maupay height-wise - how tall were Alex Young, Michael Owen and Rush, to mention just a few. They still knew where the net was.
Jerome Shields
30 Posted 18/08/2023 at 04:19:38
This forward problem has been a priority. Really needs a rethink on how to solve it. Ché Adams seems a continuation of the same idea on how to solve it.
Andrew Flanagan
31 Posted 18/08/2023 at 04:32:17
Looking more and more like a Championship side.
Frank Sheppard
32 Posted 18/08/2023 at 06:14:15
Bit surprised by all the negativity about this.
Bill Gienapp
33 Posted 18/08/2023 at 06:20:21
Adams is okay, but it's hard to believe he and Maupay are the best we could come up with for £27 million.

As usual, we seem utterly fixated on the idea of "Premier League experience" as if that's served us so well in recent years.

Terry Farrell
34 Posted 18/08/2023 at 06:29:47
Championship player. Loads of graft but nowhere near good enough. Really disheartened that Tom Cannon isn't getting a look-in this season.
Colin Glassar
35 Posted 18/08/2023 at 06:34:25
Thelwell out!! What a useless, unimaginative fraud this guy has turned out to be.
Bobby Mallon
36 Posted 18/08/2023 at 06:46:53

It's not just Thelwell. Dyche has some say in transfers. As others have said, Cannon should be given his head and save the money if needs be.

Steve Cotton
37 Posted 18/08/2023 at 06:57:04
This wouldn't be a Dyche decision as he loves the big bustling guys.

This smacks of desperation. Maupay ain't going anywhere as he is shit so we don't need 2 shit back-ups.

Marc Hints
38 Posted 18/08/2023 at 07:12:26
His stats doesn't give you much confidence, do they?
Colin Glassar
39 Posted 18/08/2023 at 07:13:13
Bobby and Steve, you might both be right. Thelwell and Dyche out!! Both unimaginative frauds.
Danny Baily
40 Posted 18/08/2023 at 07:15:12
A no from me. He's at his level.
Marc Hints
41 Posted 18/08/2023 at 07:20:32
West Ham after Mohammed Kudus and we go for Che Adams, what a difference in quality of player, it never changes, makes you wander what our recruitment team are doing all year to come up with Che Adams
Eddie Dunn
42 Posted 18/08/2023 at 07:33:09
It is clearly uninspiring but when you are strapped for cash and your targets are going elsewhere, then what are you supposed to do.
In fairness to Adams, I have seen him play and think he is an average striker. He does score goals, despite the comments above to the contrary.
He is better than Maupay. He does link-up play.
If we had signed Ings, some would say he is too ld, too slow, injury-prone, etc. Weghorst -a donkey, doesn't score goals etc.
Personally, I would give Cannon a proper run at Maupay's expence but the staff know better than me.
If Adams signs and he gets six or seven goals, and a few assists, then it's good business.
I am still worried about the AFCON and whether we have enough cover to cope.
James O'Connell
43 Posted 18/08/2023 at 07:39:58
Someone posted earlier it's just Maupay take 2. I don't think it's negativity pointing out that a player won't improve our situation. If we are looking at championship strikers then surely Piroe at Swansea would be a similar fee? He's in the final year of his contract and Swansea will want to sell before he leaves on a free. Adams scored 25 goals in 4 seasons in the premiership, so would you choose unknown quantity over guaranteed bang average? I think I would take unknown rather than a 6 goal a season striker, isn't that what we just did with Maupay?
Kevin Edward
44 Posted 18/08/2023 at 07:42:28
Really? I’m sure he’d put in a shift, but he won’t improve the squad, just fill a shirt like those before him.
Come on Everton, try a bit harder.
If Maupay is moved on in this window then I see some logic, but it’s not clever recruitment for me, just more ‘close eyes and hope for the best’.
Marc Hints
45 Posted 18/08/2023 at 07:46:00
Kevin #44

Spot on there, it smacks of Maupay again, not good stats too.

Someone said he will work hard, we don't need that we need someone who will score goals. Maupay works hard.

If he starts missing chances like Maupay did Saturday then its another player on a three or four contract we have to put up with.

Derek Thomas
46 Posted 18/08/2023 at 07:50:40
I think he maybe better than Maupey but only if the one leaves first should the other comes in.

No doubt it'll be musical chairs time come deadline day.

I'm not going to be too harsh - yet - but I suspect Thelwell and Dyche have strict financial boxes to tick...or in their case, not tick.
We won't be buying any top shelf £150 single malt, but if you shop around sometimes you can pick up a decent drop for a reasonable price when it's on special.

Ben King
47 Posted 18/08/2023 at 07:56:44
As others have noted: our targets are going elsewhere and most clubs aren’t keen on our payment structure (see Leeds)

We’re strapped for cash and have FFP considerations: we have very little room for manoeuvre.

Whilst Adams isn’t an inspiring signing, he’s a definite upgrade on Maupay, suits Dyche’s system and fills a problematic position if/when DCL can’t play: signing no one is not an option.

I’m hardly buzzing at the prospect BUT I think Che will do a job and help keep us away from the dreaded trap door: we simply can’t afford to circle the drain again

Yes it’s unambitious but needs must right now and I for one wholly support this transfer.

Danny Broderick
48 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:00:22
Since we sold Lukaku in 2017, we have bought the following strikers:


Cost = £66 million

Total goals = 13

This is the reason we are in such a mess - recruitment. Che Adams will fit in perfectly on the list above. Yet another striker who doesn’t know where the back of the net is…

Mick O'Malley
49 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:02:53
25 goals in 127 PL appearances and our recruitment team think he’s the answer to our goal scoring problems, thoroughly depressing, honestly it’s hard work being a blue at the moment seeing the likes of West Ham talking to Kudus while we scratch around trying find a forward, I can’t believe he’s the best we can come up with , James @43 agreed
Ian Bennett
50 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:09:00
Another shit scouting job. 5 foot 9 so can't do a Calvert-Lewin job - check.

Is 27 and will have little to zero resale value in 3 years time - check.

Is Premier league proven. No he isn't. He's proven that he doesn't have the attributes to succeed in the Premier League, with Everton yet again after a non goalscoring centre-forward to add to our history of shit strikers.

Not content with spaffing £13m on Neal Maupay, we now want to spend another £12m on a similar version. So that's £25m to be squandered on shite, and the same again on wages. I bet the rest of the Premier League must be fearing these deadly duds.

I am sure there will be some happy fucking clappers that will be cheering it to the hilt. 'Oh ive heard him, and "always liked him", great little signing. You idiots, hes shite. There were 10 free transfers better than him. I'd go do far as say Cannon would out score him over a season and wouldn't cost anything like what we are looking to squander.

The same idiots that celebrated Maupay last summer, who think having a pulse is enough to succeed in the Epl. It'll take a good 2 years before they want him moved on as not being good enough.

Get lost, Thelwell and you happy clappers.

Fran Mitchell
51 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:11:52
Not an exciting name, not at all, but I would assume he fit's Dyche's system better and is available for cheap.

The main solution to our striking woes appears to be focused on getting DCL fully fit, and Adams + Chermiti offer alternatives when DCL needs rest or should he get injured.

In some ways a smart move, one 26 year old 'PL ready ' striker, still room to improve but ready to play, but also likely to accept not being a guaranteed starter. The other a 19 year old with lots of potential but requires time and patience.

But not exciting.

But equally, we don't need excitement right now, we just need to build a team/squad capable of finishing 13th.

Conor McCourt
52 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:11:55
If this is indeed true, I would guess that this will be the signing that will start the chasm between Thelwell and Dyche which will snowball into one of them losing their post.

A truly ridiculous bit of transfer business which has the hallmarks of Maupay Mk 2. It seems like Thelwell wanted the likes of Toure and Etikite but had thought that Adams could do a job before and Dyche wanted a striker with Premier League experience like Weghorst and both have probably compromised. Neither will want ownership if it goes tits up.

Even so, why a permanent transfer rather than a loan as surely this would be a stop-gap signing? Spending a high chunk of our budget on a player who is not fit for purpose, is probably not an upgrade on Danjuma, Simms or Cannon playing that role, and will also arguably ensure the likes of Cannon and Dobbin have a further barrier to first team football, makes this an unbelievably bad decision.

I was hoping we were making progress this window when I seen names linked and the signings made as I had seen a semblance of a strategy. This has fucking infuriated me and left me exacerbated. Groundhog Day.

Paul Hewitt
53 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:14:30
Ché Adams. What a fantastic scouting system we have.
Danny O’Neill
54 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:17:03
Thanks for that Ian.

I don't know a lot about this player even if he does end up at Everton.

Adrian Heath from Stoke was 5ft-6in. Tim Cahill from Millwall was 5ft-10in. "Tiny Tim" wasn’t too bad at getting on the end of the odd cross or corner.

All speculation so no point getting excited or frustrated about it.

Happy clappers. Love that one aimed at fellow supporters. I guess you are more of one of those who used to stand outside the ground with those placards declaring the end is nigh.

Apologies, if you give it, you get it back.

Let's see. Not even an Everton player as it stands, so I don't understand the outburst at Everton supporters.

Bill Fairfield
55 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:19:10
Hardly prolific, hope he proves us all wrong. Reeks of the usual desperation.
Andy Meighan
56 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:25:53
Proof positive that most of us can't be wrong.

And to think there's plenty on here that think Thelwell is doing a good job, then again he thinks so himself.

If he's not filling the squad with wingers, he's thinking "Yeah, Maupay and Adams are both proven Premier League players."

Hope this is nonsense but I fear it isn't.

Struggling to score goals and these clowns are looking at no-marks like him.

Embarrassing. We're heading one way and one way only.

Sam Hoare
57 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:26:44
Disappointing if this is true, but indicative of where we are at perhaps.

It should be noted that despite being small of stature Che Adams (like Tim Cahill) wins more than his fair share of aerial duels. He’s much more experienced and effective than Maupay at playing the single striker role and as such is a much better fit for our team despite not necessarily being a better player overall.

In terms of some of the players linked (Daka, Iheanacho etc) Adams is stylistically the most suited to do a similar job to DCL. Beto would have been good but we don’t have £30m to spend on someone who is only a slightly better goalscorer than Adams.

I still hope that this isn’t true, that there might be a more inspiring deal to be had but if it does happen I think he’ll do a better job than Maupay and will give Dyche a fair amount of what he needs from a striker.

Mal van Schaick
58 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:29:02
A gamble at best, but who knows? It’s a shame we can’t borrow him to try him out. A loan with an option to buy, would be more sensible, but I doubt Southampton would want that.
Alex Gray
59 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:33:56
Regardless of if he wins headers etc,he doesn't score goals.

Thelwell needs the sack.

Barry Hesketh
60 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:34:27
As somebody else pointed out elsewhere, you can't expect a top-of-the-range motor if you're shopping at Joe's car-lot whilst also hoping that Joe will agree suitable terms that you can afford.

The mistake that was made last summer in buying Onana, rather than an out-and-out striker, is coming home to roost —again. This would also explain why Dyche is so minded to ensure that, when Calvert-Lewin returns, he does so fully fit and with the player having no excuse for not performing to a good level.

If Calvert-Lewin was unable to perform and perform regularly, it wouldn't be the likes of Ché Adams that Everton were chasing, but no ambitious striker is coming to Goodison to play second fiddle to the established Number 9.

The window isn't closed right now, but don't be looking at the glamorous catalogues with the expensive high performance vehicles… Nip round to Joe's and see what he has on his lot, that is where we are as a club, and no amount of angst and anger will alter that fact.

Si Pulford
61 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:35:04
Not excited by this but Jack Harrison scored and assisted (combined) more than any Everton payer last season so instantly improves the squad, we all seem to agree on that.

Ché Adams scored and assisted (combined) more than DCL, Maupay and Simms combined. He's scored as many as Simms and Maupay got between them last season already this season!!!

The only Everton players with more goal contributions last season where Iwobi (1 more) and McNeil (2 more) – both of whom played virtually every game.

Here's the kicker. Ché Adams started 23 games last season. 15 games less than Iwobi.

I'm not saying he's an amazing signing but, when you don't score goals and sign two players who were more productive than your current squad in the previous season, then you improve your squad??

We're struggling to convince players to come to us, teams to sell to us and accept our terms etc.

We knew it would be hard and it would take time. We all said surviving was the most important thing this season. Like it or not, these signings improve our chances of surviving.

Michael Lynch
62 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:39:48
I'm not sure I understand the thinking behind this, unless it's "surely he can't be worse than Maupay".

Obviously we need another striker before the end of August, but this really does reek of desperation to get a body in.

Also, I can't believe we would pay £12M for him.

Do we never learn?

Sam Hoare
63 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:46:12
I’m actually not sure Southampton will accept £12m for him. He’s probably their first choice striker at the mo and they’ve got money in the bank.
Sam Bowen
64 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:48:42
Lots of lazy comments. He’s not perfect but he’s actually a pretty good player. Of course we’d like better but it seems pretty sensible if there’s any truth in it. Experienced cover who will surprise most of you, granted he won’t score bucketloads but he’ll def improve us when he plays if he actually does sign. Signing cover for DCL and potential in Chermitti is surely good business isn’t it……..
Steve Shave
65 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:49:37
I think we all need to calm down a little here. IF it's true (and it is an if) then I can assume Maupay will be on his way. DCL, Danjuma and Chemitti offer something different. Che would not be playing every game.

Very uninspiring choice but it's where we are at. Trust me, he is actually a decent player. The ball sticks to him at least, even if he is not the target man we all want. He is an upgrade on Maupay in everyway and I believe he has enough to become a bit of a crowd favourite (providing we don't chase him into the hills with our pitchforks).

He is not however what we need I feel, it is lazy to just compare him to Maupay because of height. Thelwell wanted him at the beginning of his tenure and right at a time where his all round game started to improve. Adams had a really good start to the season last year but tailed off. I've seen him play live a couple of times and thought he was a handful.

So for me it's a reserved and tentative acceptance whilst looking longingly at Beto, El-Bilal and the likes. He won't be a disaster signing like Maupay. Piroe has a high ceiling but is a bigger risk.

Si Pulford
66 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:53:26
Careful Sam and Steve. You’ll be branded ‘happy clappers’ or ‘idiots’ with measured well thought out posts like that!!!
Si Pulford
67 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:58:40
And as for the height thing? It’s got to be the most baffling thing to hang your hat on here.

He’s the same height as Ian Wright.

And Adolf Hitler.

What’s the point in banging on about height? He’s bigger than Messi but smaller than Peter Crouch, what does it matter?

Like I said. Not what we want but there is logic in this signing.

Christopher Timmins
68 Posted 18/08/2023 at 08:58:53
You would have to think at this stage that Dyche and and his coaching staff simply don't rate Cannon. He can't get a game ahead of Maupay and now we look like purchasing Adams, so he will be sold or loaned out.

Adams is probably an upgrade on Maupay, we need DCL fit and playing the majority of the 38 games this year.

Alex Gray
69 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:03:19
Sam Bowen i’d argue that the comments aren’t lazy in the slightest. What we need up top is simple. Goals. We created plenty of chances last week the way we play for where we are is absolutely fine even if a bit ugly. We need a player to finish those chances. Every single stat and eye test says Che Adams doesn’t do that.

Having a system player is great but when the system doesn’t equate to goals it’s utterly pointless as was shown against Fulham. People defended the signing of Maupay last year when the stats proved he’s not a clinical striker.

The Marcus bent comparisons are the best way to look at it. If his job is bring others into the game then brilliant. Who scores enough goals to keep us up then?

Based off the way we played last week it’s not even a threat in the air we need nor a hold up player. It’s a lad to finish off chances. We may be in an unfavourable position but Che Adams offers absolutely nothing that we currently need. It’s a waste of money and in January we’ll all be saying we need a striker…..again.

Ray Robinson
70 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:04:37
Surprised nobody has been linked with Nathan Teller. Scored loads on loan with Burnley last year. Presumably, this is why Southampton are willing to let Adams go?

Adams may not be first choice but signing him is better than doing nothing. He is a very hard grafter at least.

Si Pulford
71 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:06:13
I don’t think it’s that they don’t rate Cannon. It’s more that at this stage in his career a loan would bring him on so they need numbers up front before they can loan him. They don’t want him sat on the bench coming on when we’re two nil down away or old Trafford etc they don’t want another Tom Davies etc who didn’t get that loan and all that potential was he sat on the bench.

I’m told they rate him highly but don’t think he’s ready for the PL yet which makes so much sense. 38 games this year in the championship gets him ready for the PL the next year.

Andrew Keatley
72 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:08:02
The pessimist in me says it’s almost like we’re trying to assemble a squad that might win the Championship next year; almost a hedge against a potential points deduction. The optimist in me agrees with Si (61); he can make goal contributions, and that is what we need.
Steve Shave
73 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:10:28
Chris @68, Adams as an all round player IS a significant upgrade on Maupay, don't just look at goals, he will bring the wingers into play alot more than our waspy Frenchman.

Si, I'm not a happy clapper (whatever the hell that means) but I am a realist. It's not football manager and if you were a player choosing between us and Europa cup winning, London based club West Ham (for example) who would you choose?

Sadly what we've all known to be true for years and years is now common knowledge, we are a basket-case of a club and probably one of the the worst run clubs in European top flight football.

As for the height thing Si, I think the fixation is more to do with the style of play. Having something to aim for. Ian Wright might have struggled for goals in this team.

Rian Magee
74 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:12:33
I agree this isn't very inspiring and I do have serious questions over the scouting set up. For that kind of money there have got to be better options out there.

The flipside though, is it an improvement on what we got? Aye, not by much, but any improvement at this stage I'll take. We have to remember its not just a case of finding a player and that's it, signed. It's a two way street, the player has to want to come to us as well. And let's face it, we aren't exactly a very appealing proposition, we can't offer European football, let along champions league football. It's easy for us as fans to say I'd kill to play for the jersey, but unless a player is a lifelong fan they don't have that emotional tie to the club. They don't give a flying fudge about the 'history' of the club. On a long side note,I think that's part of the problem, we focus too much on the history... unpopular opinion but the Z-cars theme is ridiculous in the modern game. Are modern players hyped up or inspired running out to that? Hardly. Why not go for The Beatles Helter Skelter, bit more oomf, local band and well, kind sums up our seasons haha

Anyway, back to the point. We aren't really in a position to be attractive to a lot of the players that we all know we want or need. Shouldn't be in the position of STILL looking to replace Rom, or Richie for that matter. Should have been sorted long ago...for me that's the most infuriating part. But whoever we get in, we need to get behind them, not on their back. Doing the latter has only a negative impact on their confidence and desire to take chances and try to make things happen then we're in a slippery spiral of putting too much pressure on a player that if they miss, all they get is grief. That does one thing, make them not want to take chances for fear of the fans wrath. Honestly dunno why we didn't (maybe we did and it was shot down) try for Ward-Prowse and Vardy, even short term or on loan.

The window ain't closed yet, so just gotta wait and see. Fingers, eyes and arsecheeks crossed!

Tony Everan
75 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:13:35
Have you ever watched Southampton and said to yourself, I wished we had Che Adams playing for us? I can’t remember ever thinking that. And why ? It’s simple, he’s not quite good enough. He’d be far better than Neal Maupay at CF so maybe that’s the thinking. He’d finish off more chances and keep us in the league.

It is a singing that is again a major gamble on DCL’s fitness, DCL stays fit and we have a better back up, DCL gets long term injured and we regress to a team trying to keep its head above water again.

Considering DCLs game time this last two years, I thought this CF signing should have been the absolute priority this window. Instead of addressing it properly they’ve opted for the sticking plaster approach, with a view to making the bigger quality signing next summer when finances are better.

One final thought is that they are still trying to get Gnonto in within our budget restraints. So this Che Adams deal may well be aligned to that plan. A part ex player deal with Holgate and Maupay, coupled, with a few million on extended terms. The deal could cost us initially next to nothing. Then, in theory, we have enough of the money up front to satisfy Leeds’ payment demands for Gnonto.

Conor McCourt
76 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:17:54
Si come on behave yourself.

Maupay has been a disaster so cannot be used as a barometer for end product.

Ellis Simms had a goal involvement in the Championship last season of nearly one per one and a quarter games (7 goals 2 assists in under 1131 minutes). For us it was just under one goal in 2 games (1 goal in 219 minutes). He was deemed NOT good enough for us this season and was sold.

Iwobi and McNeill are unproductive wingers so again can't be used as template. Harrison rightfully can be as he operates in their position and most are hopeful he's an upgrade in terms of goal involvements.

Forget finances, forget age, forget potential. If we are bringing in a Premier League proven striker he needs to be exactly that and he needs to be a marked improvement on the guy you have just let go. This guy is neither.

David Bromwell
77 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:27:00
I remember when a potential new signing was an exciting prospect, not so now when our scouting system lacks clarity and vision. Worrying for me is the fact that we still have nearly half a team of high earners who between them offer very little and for our accounts, team moral and sense of purpose all need to be offloaded.

Surely we cannot contemplate adding Adams, if Maupay remains. Who knows if he will perform any better ? But let's not add Maupay to the list who are unlikely to play and add little or no value to the ' playing squad '.

Ian Riley
78 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:28:21
Reality check. Strikers with a better scoring record would be looking at a top 4/6 club and cost £50 million plus. Also we probably will pay the fee over a few years.

We need strikers. If he comes? Let's give him a chance!

Denver Daniels
79 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:31:30
What happened to the El Bilal Toure money? Or was Bill using monopoly money for that?
Si Pulford
80 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:32:50
Who is Connor?

Who’s a good enough proven premier league striker that we could afford and would want to sign for us?

Si Pulford
81 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:36:07
Steve Shave. I think you misunderstood my post. The ‘happy clapper’ comment was reference to an earlier post where anybody that didn’t essentially instantly hate Che Adams and want to boo him from first whistle was called an ‘idiot’ and ‘happy clapper’

I’m actually in the camp that sees this as a sensible but uninspiring signing that is an upgrade on what we have. A stop gap between and always injured DCl and unproven Chermitti. A low fee gamble that could work out. I’m for it.

Sam Bowen
82 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:36:16
I don’t disagree with you at all Paul on the fact that we need goals. As I said, we’d all love better but we just can’t afford anyone that’s proven to score 15 goals a season. They all cost a bloody fortune. Of all those affordable strikers linked with any substance, Daka, ihenaccho, Antonio etc. all of their premier league stats are bang average.

Underwhelming of course but we don’t need to write him off. As I said, he’s a good player and I think he’d do well at Everton.

Si Pulford
83 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:38:20
Ian you’re bang on.

Alex Gray
84 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:42:38
Ian utter rubbish mate. There are a host of strikers that can score more than Che Adams that wouldn’t cost 50million. Near enough every other team in the league bar the top 6 has one. Toney, watkins, mitrovic, wilson may all be 50million strikers now but were all signed for modest fees because said teams had a competent scouting system. All of said teams weren’t attractive propositions at the time they bought them either.
Laurie Hartley
85 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:45:24
If we are going for “short” strikers I would much rather have Alfredo Morelos.

Free transfer,
Scores goals
27 years old.

Offer him a one year contract with an option for an extension if he behaves himself.

Si Pulford
86 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:54:03
Alex they didn’t have better scoring records in the premier league? I think the point Ian is making is a response to an earlier post that said we should be signing proven premier league players with better goal scoring records.

Although I can’t speak for Ian I’m guessing that’s what was intended.

Darren Franko
87 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:55:49
All the excitable strikers that Sam and Robert often point out could be available, we maybe don't have enough money for.

Well, if we don't sign Gnonto, and we do sell Gray, then you'd think we would have enough in the pot to do a deal for say Beto etc?

Or is this still a pay-on-the-drip spend thing linked to Profitability and Sustainability Rules? What an unbelievable mess we are in.

Si Pulford
88 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:56:06
And Mitrovic cost Fulham 25 million five years ago.
Mike Doyle
89 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:59:15
If true, very disappointing that this is the best we can achieve - while Brighton et al unearth gems.
Andy Crooks
90 Posted 18/08/2023 at 09:59:38
These seems uninspiring and a bit desperate if true. It seems like a signing that a newly promoted team would be happy to make to consolidate their premier staus.
Maybe that's, sadly, where we are.
Kevin Edward
91 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:01:19
Laurie #85
Is that an extension to make him taller?
Mark Murphy
92 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:01:19
Si @67

Hitler may have been short but he was an aggressive attacker!
Re heights - I seem to recall Tony Cottee and Adrian Heath were vertically challenged. Andy Johnson wasn't that tall either?
And to another question higher up, I cant recall the game (on MOTD) but yes, I did watch a Southampton game and thought Che Adams would be handy. He came on as sub as I recall and scored two, one a beauty and one a strikers tap in. End of last season..

Alex Gray
93 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:01:43
Si my response is debating the premier league proven aspect and more importantly the price. We have signed premier league proven flops for years and look where it got us. Townsend, Gray, Rondon, Maupay were all premier league proven attackers.

Just because a player hasn't played in the prem doesn't mean they're not better. It's lazy scouting and whilst some may say they're a risk it's a lot less risky than buying players who we already know won't score goals.

Dave Abrahams
94 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:01:43
Let’s see who we finish up with in the strikers role and a couple of other positions by the end of the window, it shouldn’t be like this but it’s the position we have been left in by the terrible decisions made by managers, DOF’s and others overseen by Chairman Bill and the owner, I think Thelwell has been left in this position as well and put little blame on him or Dyche either.Whether Adams comes or not the ten goals he scored in a relegated team would have been like manna from heaven to us fans last season,or any other striker who could have done that for us last season.
Joe McMahon
95 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:08:33
As usual we piss about to rhe last minute of transfer deadline day, while opportunities for points in games played passes by. Given Harrison is injured this is a huge risk.
John Catto
96 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:22:52
There are lots of valid points of view on this.
I think we are where we are. We were never going to get a 20 goal a season striker. We don't have the money.
If he scores 10/11 goals that's already an upgrade.
When was the last time we had a striker that scored 10 goals?
Dom before injury?
Martin Farrington
97 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:26:13
Nick Page summed it up in his first comment.
And made me laugh.
Then cry.
We are owned and run by Everton Abominators.

Everton's scouting and talent spotting has been lambasted yet again and to a large degree, rightly so.
It is dire across the globe and has been since I was a baby blue over 50 years ago.
Players we failed to sign because of the most stupid and pathetic reasons. Who became supreme goalscorers are almost limitless.
I remember when we had first shout on Ian Rush from Chester and we declared "Too Tall and Lanky" as to why we didnt sign him.
We have NEVER had an abundance of strikers at our disposal.
Why ?
Fk knows.
Its like an unwritten rule.
Of which Kenwright was wrapped up in Arteta money and taken it to the extreme.

John Pickles
98 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:27:10
Can we please stop with the 'Well, at least he'll be better than Maupay' comparisons ?

It's like looking to build a new nuclear power station, with the only aim of it being better than Chernobyl!

Stu Darlington
99 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:29:47
Conor @76
McNeil an unproductive winger?Our top scorer and probably our most improved player last season?
Don’t get where you are coming from on that one.
Forget finance,age and potential?Those are exactly the factors a club in our position has to consider,and which proven Premier League striker do you have in mind?
You have to be realistic and consider the position we are in at the moment.We don’t have massive sums up front to pay for players.Most of our bids are structured with smaller payments and add ons over a period of years.That’s why they are not always attractive to selling clubs who would prefer to delay doing business with us to see if a more upfront deal comes along.Hence our transfer business can seem long,drawn out and frustrating to fans and only come to fruition at the last gasp of the transfer window.
So unfortunately the Che Adams market, or unproven foreign imports are the market we are in.Not ideal by any means,but that is the reality of the situation.
John Williams
100 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:30:42
No one knows how many enquiries Thelwell and Dyche
have made looking to recruit players, probably more
than anyone on here knows.
What answers they receive from the agents or the players ?
No thanks, I don t need to be fighting relegation and
I don t need their so called supporters F and J everytime
you make a bad pass or miss a chance.
There are better clubs and supporters around than that lot.
Brian Harrison
101 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:34:28
I know this might just be paper speculation, but if its true I find it amazing that a club that doesn't score many goals is prepared to spend allegedly £25 million on the Leeds winger Gnonto, but only £12 million on a striker. I would have thought that at the end of last season with only scoring 34 goals, most of the money we had to spend should surely have been spent on a proven goal scorer. Yes I know we have spent money on Chemetti but it will take the lad a while to get used to the premier league and I will be surprised if he plays in any of the next 8-10 games.
Obviously Dyche has decided Simms wasn't up to the job and looks like he has made the same decision over Cannon, despite quite a bit of interest from Championship clubs for him.
I just hope Thelwell and Dyche make the right choices.
Ray Smith
102 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:43:27
Mike 89

How true.
Brighton are the club that continue to go from strength to strength in all areas of business on and off of the pitch.
Not only do they scout well and produce gems as you say for vast sums of money in comparison for what they paid, they also offload players that don’t command colossal transfer fees.
My son in law and 2 of my 5 grandsons are Brighton season ticket holders and they are still laughing when we paid £15m for Maupay, who could score 1 from 6 chances, which obviously didn’t happen.
By the way this is not a dig at Maupay, he runs his socks off, but probably now trying too hard.
I’ve said it before regarding Brightons director of ‘youth recruitment’, David Weir, how I wish he would join us in the same role.

Alex Gray
103 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:45:41
Brian I think the view over Cannon is different to Simms. Simms clearly wasn't rated but they feel Cannon needs another year in the championship for development. If he does well and gets 20 goals this year for example next year he'll be a part of the squad but him being on the bench does him no good right now.

Gnonto I understand. He's young and will get better and would probably score the sam amount of goals as Che adams and next year could probably better it. Che adams at his age will not improve. He's had numerous years in the premier league and hasn't gotten better.

The likes of beto, dia, ekitike, daka and even inneacho all may have turned us down which is a possibility no doubt. At that point i'd say time for Thelwell to go because if you can't convince a player in the championship or playing abroad on buttons to come and become a starter in a premier league side on premier league wages that are in desperate need for someone to just finish off chances then you are inept at your job. I understand Toure going to Atlanta they're a good european side that are known for bringing young players through and ekitike probably has better offers but the rest are all achievable.

I'd rather us overpay for Gnonto than waste 12 million on Che adams. Atleast Gnonto can improve.

Clive Rogers
104 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:45:48
Adams is a championship player. In four full seasons in the PL he has averaged 6 goals per season, but has better figures for the championship.

John, 96, he has never reached 10 goals in 4 seasons.

Simon Jones
105 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:49:58
We lost so many games last season that were close, Everton imploding once we went behind. Had Maupay scored six, the same as Adams PL average, I reckon we'd have had six more points last season.

We don't necessarily need a twenty goal striker (and can't afford a proven one), so we are fishing in the six to ten goal a season waters.

Sam Hoare
106 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:51:07
Another things worth mentioning perhaps is that I suspect everyone on here (including me) is assuming that DCL will break down again and only manage 5-10 games this season.

It may well be that those actually watching DCL every day and consulting with highly paid medical specialists are assuming the opposite, that DCL has had his injuries properly managed for the first time in 3 years and will be available for 30+ games this season. If that is the case and they are proved right (a big if) then Adams is being bought in as a squad player to primarily fill in and add something off the bench along with Chermitti.

Looking at it in that light it may make more sense to spend any funds on a winger or second striker who can add goals and value over the next 4 years (like Gnonto.)

If we sign Adams (an experienced PL player who fits the system and will hit the ground running albeit with limited ability) for £12m and are able to sell Maupay for £8m to somewhere then that would seem ok business to me. If we also add Gnonto or Sulemana or Bakayoko then I will be very content with our summers business.

A fit DCL, Chermitti, Adams, Harrison, Mcneill, Danjuma and one of Gnonto/Sulemana etc would be a big upgrade on what we had last year (unfit DCL, Maupay, Simms, Gray, Mcneill).

Alex Gray
107 Posted 18/08/2023 at 10:57:48
Sam you make a good point regarding DCL. My fear is that the club have also had that thought for the last two years.

Two years is a long time and to go from barely being able to kick a ball without breaking something to being fit for the season would be nothing short of a miracle. If Che adams is signed my prediction is that we'll be seeing a lot of him.

Brian Harrison
108 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:06:38
Alex 103
You may be right that Dyche wants Cannon to go on loan for another season to help him develop, but Tom scored 8 in 20 games for Preston last year, not a bad return for a young lad in a tough league. We have signed Chemitti who scored 3 in 16 for Sporting, so if we are prepared to take a chance that he may come good why not give Cannon the same opportunity.
For those suggesting Gnonto will add goals to our attack well last season he scored 2 in 20 league games for Leeds and its a massive leap of faith to believe he will score more than the 7 that Mcneil scored last year in a similar position.
Sam Hoare
109 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:06:54
Alex, it's certainly true that they have made false assumptions in the past. But it's also true that Dyche has managed DCL's injury far more carefully than any other manager. And the level of analysis seems to have been deeper. Time will tell.
Sean Mitchell
110 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:09:50
This is the Everton of present day.
Run into the ground by clowns.
Adams is another player to enhance the squad and is better than Maupay.
Netto shopping nowadays.

Give the lad a chance.

Conor McCourt
111 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:12:43
Stu @ 99: I was replying to Si who was stating that Adams had more goal involvements than McNeill and Iwobi in the Premier League so I presumed they must have been over mins played in their whole career. Without doubt for us he has been very productive and most definitely improved (easily our most productive player) but his overall record is not so. Essentially he was comparing a centre forward to a winger which was my main point.

With reference to your second point I personally would prefer a signing like Etikite without being Premier League proven but was arguing that even on that remit I don't feel Adams is. For me having Calvert Lewin, Danjuma and Etikite as options would be decent for Dyche yet if Cannon, Etitiike or Chermiti show progression throughout the season there is the opportunity there for promotion and still let Thelwell progress the club with an eye on the future.

I agree it's difficult to find proven Premier League strikers on our budget who are willing to play second choice but I would have more faith in someone like Dembele who was a class apart at Celtic (acclimatised to British football) and has done well in the French League rather than a journeyman like Adams.

Alex Gray
112 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:13:17
Sam very true as i'm now pinning my hopes on DCL making a glorious return. The pessimist in me that comes with supporting Everton isn't convinced yet though.

Brian I don't see Chermiti playing a big part this year either by the way but his profile is more suited to a Dom understudy than Cannon so I can see why they've brought him in. Cannon being thrown off the bench doesn't really develop him and if the step up is too much for him right now then the crowd could easily turn on the lad and could screw up his future at the club. On the other hand a full season in the championship could lead to a better environment with less pressure on the lad so he can play and score in a competitive division. Then next year he comes back and is ready to compete alongside Chermiti. I think the club are paying the long game with him.

Adam Carey
113 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:19:17
The happy clapper comment has set the cat amongst pigeons. I'm more pragmatic and realistic. If not for the shambolic way the club has been run over the last 6 years we wouldn't be entertaining any of our signings this summer.

However, find me a young and premier league ready goalscoring wonderkid for less than £20M (paid over 5 years with minimal bonuses in the fee), and we can stop arguing about Mr Adams from Southampton. We are bargain basement shoppers for the foreseeable future now.

However, DCL's best game last season was Brighton. He didn't score but lead the line and brought others into attack. Maupay isn't that player, but maybe Adams can be. I'll take that and 5-8 goals this season for £12M. Not being defeatist or naive, but honest and realistic. 👏👏👏

Steve Brown
114 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:22:59
Given neither will score any goals, I expect the main competition between Neil Maupay and Che Adams will be to prove which of them is the worse player.
John Raftery
115 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:24:54
We have been linked with over a dozen strikers this summer including Sanabria, Morelos, Dembelé, Boulaye Dia, Vardy, Antonio and Beto. With only a fortnight of the window remaining it is time to secure the possible rather than chase the improbable. Adams appears to be a realistic prospect at a price we can afford.
Alex Gray
116 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:29:19
Adam we have bid 25million for Gnonto and I believe the fee for Toure was the same. We also bid 35mil (payment structure of course) for Ekitike confirmed by Alan Myers so the fee being limited to 20 million may not be the limit.

Orban, Dia, Beto (maybe closer to 30million however) are all 1 in 3 strikers which blows che adams out of the water instantly.

The more debated picks are Inneacho and Daka who scored less but had much better goals to minute ratios. Daka who didn't suit the way Leicester played had a ridiculous scoring record prior to joining in particular.

There are better options out there who would join Everton. Having the vision and nerve to take a risk on them is something Everton have lacked for a long time.

Steve Brown
117 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:30:28
Thinking Ian @ 50 might have been on the sherbet when he wrote his post.

Denis Richardson
118 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:33:27
Interesting thought Sam 106 but have to echo Alex 107.

As with all these things planning is important. However, the most important part of every plan is to plan on the plan not going according to plan. Putting all our eggs in one DCL basket for the season, when he’s hardly played for 2 years, is a humongous risk to take - regardless of what any medic says. I would be amazed if he started more than half the games this season - and that already would be a massive bonus. Who starts the other half?

Every vaguely decent football club, not just top clubs, imo should have a minimum of 3 senior strikers in their squad to account for injuries, loss of form, rotation, competition etc. The fact we’ve only had one semi permanently injured striker for over two seasons is frankly ludicrous. It’s no wonder we’ve struggle for goals and hence points.

To think of the tens of millions wasted on gash like Tosun, Niasse, King, Maupay, Sandro, Tarashaj, Rooney mk2, Rondon, Walcott, Vlasic etc. I mean I expect some flops in signings but on the striker front we’ve been beyond appalling. Do we not have any scouts specialised in strikers?

Lukaku, DCL and Richarlison are, I think, the only three who’ve worked out in the last 10 years - and DCL has been injured more often than fit. This goes beyond the current manager and is a much deeper problem. Moyes played quite a few games with no striker at all and seemed to have an allergy to them.

Half the people on this website could list half a dozen realistic targets we could have gone after months ago, maybe we did. However, I struggle to see why a club with our stature cannot attract a half decent striker or two. Even on loan.

We seem to have no problem collecting midfielders and defenders so can only assume it’s actually down to club policy. Makes no sense to me.

Kevin Molloy
119 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:34:44
I think some people are forgetting where we are at. Whoever comes in is likely to play 25 games this season. He needs to be competent. And he needs to be cheap. A cheap competent centre forward. that's not easy. this guy will get 8-10 goals, and hold the ball up. Hes exactly what we need (ready to go now) for what we can afford (sub £15m). The smart money was always going to be spent at the clubs who went down. They can't afford to play hardball, and have some ok players. Look at McNeill, and Tarkowski. this is the market we need to be operating in at the moment.
Alex Gray
120 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:41:33
Kevin Che adams has scored 4,9,7 and 5 in123 premier league appearances for Southampton. Maupay scored more than him bar last season. There's buying cheap and then there's throwing money down the drain for the sake of it.

Newcastle in a FAR worse position than us signed Callum Wilson. Fulham in a far worse position signed Mitrovic at the time. We can and should be doing better than Che Adams.

Steve Brown
121 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:45:27
If we will be seeing a lot of Che Adams this season, then we won’t seeing many goals. 27 goals in 127 appearances for Soton demonstrates that.

I would almost tolerate signing yet another non-goal scoring centre forward if his all-round play had a positive effect on the team. He contributed zero assists last season, so in effect we are buying a warm-body to fill a squad shirt.

Dan Nulty
122 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:47:59
I get this divides opinion. It was always going to. If things turn out perfectly then we have DCL playing 30 games and Adams coming on to join him or replace him. That is an upgrade on Maupay, no matter how little an upgrade. It also means there is little pressure on Chermiti who we hope will be ready in two season's time to be impacting the first team.

If things turn out badly then DCL plays 5 games and we at least have Adams to score 5 goals and assists rather than Maupay's 1 goal a season and potentially have Chermiti playing more than he is ready for and ruining his development.

This moves, whilst not exciting makes perfect sense as hopefully it also means we have sufficient budget to get one of Gnonto, Sulemana or Bakayoko over the line. More young attacking talent to develop and sell on at a massive profit.

We've got a team to stabilise so we can go into the new stadium in the Premier league. Under FFP we've got no chance of pushing for Europe and getting the stadium done. We've got to accept that for the next two years.

Kevin Molloy
123 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:48:19
yes, a one goal in four sort of player. I'll take that if he also holds the ball up and brings other players into the game. Remember last season, the catastrophe of Gray or Maupay up front where the ball didn't stick and no goals were scored. This guy improves that. I think it's a bit unfair to compare any new signing to Wilson and Mitrovic, in hindsight they were both fantastic signings, but nobody thought that at the time.
Alex Gray
124 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:52:08
Does he improve on Maupay Dan? He's got a worse scoring record than him, doesn't create chances (0 assists last year), isn't fast and is 5ft9. I understand Maupay is useless and he is but I feel like people haven't actually looked into Che Adams at all. The guy is no more clinical or creative in any way.
Niall McIlhone
125 Posted 18/08/2023 at 11:55:28
Danny#48. That goal return you posted from £66 m worth of post- Lukaku signings is jaw dropping ;I would go as far as to say that it is a minor miracle that we have managed to stay in the PL for five or six seasons since Rom was sold, given the exceptionally poor returns from those who came after. I wish we still had Rom.

I also don’t feel DCL can be factored into any debate, as we have hardly seen anything of him in two seasons now. Sadly, the die is cast with Dominic, his body is prone to breakdown, and as such, he can never be relied upon to be our first choice CF. This also affects his value in the transfer market, and mitigates against our squad valuation in FFP sustainability terms. Yet another dilemma that besets our beloved club, eh?

Adams is not the answer if what we are looking for is a prolific goal scorer, and leader of the front line. I very much doubt that he would be Dyche’s ideal pick. I believe we would have been pleasantly surprised by Weghorst [did we even try to get him?]but he got a good move to the Bundersliga whilst we dithered.

We should go for Piroe, and try doing a deal with Swansea for a part ex, maybe offer up that waistrel J.P Gbarmin, and sack him if he refuses to go! Time is ticking, Mr Thelwell.

Alex Gray
126 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:01:11
Kevin so he holds the ball up and does what exactly? He certainly didn't create goals because southampton scored 2 more goals than us and only because they scored 4 on the last day and Che Adams got 0 assists all season. This idea that he'll be assisting our wingers is a myth that is based on literally no evidence and there's no evidence that he'll score more than Maupay either considering Maupay scored 1 more goal in twenty less games over the same time period as Che Adams.

So he doesn't assist more than Maupay, doesn't score more than Maupay, is 2 inches taller than Maupay and he's an upgrade how exactly?

Si Pulford
127 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:03:19
Rewind a year and the same people were saying McNeil never got a goal or assist in the previous season for Burnley so why would we sign him?

We did and he was our top scorer.

Conor-we’d all like to sign Ekitike but champions league clubs are in for him. No chance he comes to us. Same with the blindingly obvious Dembele shout. Of course he’s a top player- again playing in the champions league. He went to Saudi on about a million quid a second.

It’s easy to pinpoint better players than che Adams but there’s a reason they’re not signing for us.

Tom Bowers
128 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:04:00
The way Everton have wasted money over the years we should be used to second rate players coming in.

Adams is one of them but at least he may create competition to Maupay but it won't be the answer.

These are desperate times so desperate moves happen.

Personally I don't think this move will happen.

With a young, eager buck like Chermiti in the fold and Harrison also I don't expect any other move just yet.

Barry Rathbone
129 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:04:40
Well, given his show reel people critics must be getting confused the fella looks a cracking player
Alex Gray
130 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:07:19
Barry I could make a reel making Iwobi look like prime Ronaldinho. However facts and evidence show that he's not.
Barry Rathbone
131 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:10:04
Alex 130

I accept that but then again I think Iwobi is much underrated

Alex Gray
132 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:13:09
Barry yes very much so. The stats show he's our best creator by a mile. The stats show Adams doesn't create or score.
Barry Rathbone
133 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:14:44
Alex 132

This must be an impersonator then

Ian Bennett
134 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:21:34
If you can't afford a decent centre forward, either get one on loan or come out and sell a player that will realise the cash to do so.

Onana, Branthwaite, Iwobi, Gray, Cannon go on the block. If it means that we get enough cash to get a goal scorer now, then we have to do it.

We can't be buying Maupay for £13m, Che Adams for £12m, and the looking for another centre forward again next summer to solve the goal scoring issue that's plagued us for nearly the entire Premier league era.

Danny 54 - I couldnt give a monkeys mate. You keep 👏👏👏.

Alex Gray
135 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:25:23
Barry once again youtube highlights mean absolutely nothing. The facts and evidence from multiple years show the lad is no better than Maupay. He's scored less and created less.
Dale Self
136 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:27:54
I woke early after having a nightmare….it was true. Joking of course. Let’s see, BBC and the Mail, I think I’ll wait for Alan Myers to confirm thank you

And since we are stuck on loving monikers for those we disagree with; can I recommend ‘Sack Heads’ for the overly negative types? Something tells me it has multiple applications for the subjects. Good times.

Laurie Hartley
137 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:28:39
Kevin # 91 - got a smile out of me that comeback! However, on a more serious note, I don’t care how tall they are if they can score goals.

Morelos career stats - 175 goals in 354 appearances. He would have put a couple of those chances away against Fulham in my opinion. That’s what he does.

Nevertheless if Adams comes he will have my support. Then again Neal Maupay may do a Steven Naismith and score a hatrick agains Villa. Who knows?

Alex Gray
138 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:28:55
Barry p.s here's a reel of maupay. Looks a clinical forward here. He's not though.

Stu Darlington
139 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:32:32
The reality is we have identified and tried to sign promising strikers but they have chosen not to come to Everton.I’m thinking of Gyokeres and Toure,to name but 2.Also out of contract players like Rodrigo chose to take big money contracts in Saudi rather than join us.
I don’t think it is necessarily the personal terms we are offering but the uncertainty surrounding the club that is the problem.The ownership and senior management issues,FFP hanging over us,the financial hole we will be in if we are relegated,constant relegation battles etc.In short Everton and optimism do not go hand in hand at the moment.Ambitious young players sense this or more likely their Agents do and this does nothing to make us an attractive career move.
The big question for us is Che Adams and his ilk the best of the rest?Your guess is as good as mine!
Ray Smith
140 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:34:15
Why does Thelwell attend home matches?
Surely he should be elsewhere despite his scouting setup.
Steve Cotton
141 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:39:53
We could have signed Adams 6 weeks ago but we wanted to dick around half heartedly being associated with numerous other strikers knowing full well we didnt have the money to get them.

Decision making at this club is abominable at best, we had to get a ready to go striker in for pre season. we all know that this will go down to the last few hours on deadline day. we will end up with someone we don't actually want, 4 games into the season paying over the odds for the guy, still paying 75% of Gbamins and Gomez salaries when they finally go on loan.
Prob get 2 mill for Holgate (if we are lucky) which will all go to pay off Kenwright when he finally leaves.

Meanwhile no one at the club tells us anything or even complains as they don't want to affect their big salary

we could well get a transfer ban in October so if we get no further strikers in then that might be the case for the next 3 windows..

Have a nice day y'all

Steve Cotton
142 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:42:15
and I didnt even mention maupay...
Dale Self
143 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:43:01
He’s a fucking Scot! Does that count for nothing? Dè an truaighe!
Barry Williams
144 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:44:22
One of the issue with recruiting a striker that is fit for purpose is that they know they will be playing 2nd fiddle to a fit Calvert-Lewin. So, if you entice them with a big wage, they may come, but then you are left with another player who is on a massive wage and cannot be shifted and will leave for free. A wee conundrum me thinks!
Robert Tressell
145 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:44:34
we're v unlikely to buy anyone who is nailed on to score much more than 8 goals even across a full 38. Even Beto or Ekitike or Dembele (lousy record last year) or FFS Morelos. Adams is not a better goalscorer than Maupay but he might be a bit better suited to our style, thats presumably why he's a target - but a return of say 2 in 15 wouldn't be a huge surprise based on past form.
Dale Self
146 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:48:26
Barry 144, that is a point for the Chermiti acquisition. We are in some binding situations regarding paths to first team and finances and obviously stule of play. Turning the ship ain’t easy bit it’s happening.
Ashley Roberts
147 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:49:45
A definite NO from me. He is nothing more than a Maupay mark II. Why would we waste 12M on an absolute dud that has never really scored many goals per season when we have a young and hungry Tom Cannon?? This makes absolutely no sense. Not only that his diminutive nature like that of Maupay is not the type of player Dyche likes. Dyche likes firing high ball into the box from the wings. How is another small striker going to help us in this regard?? I would not mind betting we sign this absolute flop. I am now really beginning to fear for the season ahead. I just pray DCL can stay fit because otherwise we are going to be fighting relegation again.
Barry Williams
148 Posted 18/08/2023 at 12:56:11
Dale Self - 146.

Couple that with no European football, and that is another reason not to come to Everton when you could go abroad to a lesser league and get European football. It will be interesting to see what happens with Chermiti.

Stuart Sharp
149 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:03:41
I think he's better than people sre giving him credit for, and given the market we shop in right now, a sensible option. Much more suited to our set up than Maupay. (As for Iwobi, saying that he is our top player for assists is hardly a ringing endorsement... we create so little. He's an average midfielder in an average side, and for me is mostly rubbish when played out wide).
Paul Hewitt
150 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:06:56
Time to accept. This is our level now
Steve Brown
151 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:07:55
15 million demanded by Soton for Che Adams.

That's good as we can move on.

Ray Jacques
152 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:08:14
We aren't scraping the bottom of the barrel, but we are certainly giving it a good brush.

The good ship Everton is now a firm fixture in the bottom six classification of Premier League clubs.

If yer know your history . well that is all we have now and it fades with the passing of the years.

Terry Farrell
153 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:09:09
Correct Brian the Preston manager said Tom Cannon can be as good as he wants to be he rates him that highly. 3 other championship clubs wanted to buy him outright. Hes tall hes quick and hes already on board. Id rather see him and chermitti come off the bench and all get behind them than a journeyman we have spent more millions on!
Jamie Crowley
154 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:18:23
Chermiti, Dobbin, Danjuma.

Three reasons not to spend 12 million fucking pounds / dollars / pesos on a striker who just doesn't score!

Give one of those three a shot and save your money because you're pissing it down the drain.

If this "deal" goes through it is woeful.

"Hey, Dom is always hurt and we've got Maupay who runs his balls off but can't score. What should we do?"

"But another Maupay who can't score!"


Phil Lewis
155 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:22:32
I beg to differ from the doubters. Ive been advocating a move for Adams for a couple of seasons now. He reads the game well and has an eye for goal. He's scored crucial goals for Scotland in important international matches, demonstrating calm clinical finishing. Clearly something Maupay, for all his endeavour, does not possess. Apart from goalscoring prowess, he would provide the perfect foil for Calvin Lewin. His experience at the highest level would be invaluable.

The money being touted is a fair reflection of his age and record.

I believe if we sign Adams, it would produce the most fruitful period of his career, in terms of goals and success.

Ray Jacques
156 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:26:19
Hope you are right Phil, but doubt it.

I struggle to recall the last time we signed a player and he has surpassed any expectation, its usually the opposite and they are worse than hoped for

Ian Bennett
157 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:26:53
If money is a problem sell one or more of Branthwaite, Onana, Iwobi, Gray, Mykolenko.

Or pay a hefty fee for a promising loan player. Get off the bloody pot, and start sorting out a striker. We need goals. We can't be playing and knowing it's game over at 1 nil.

Buying Maupay Mk 2 and expecting a different out come is insanity. Just go with the wingers we have, and put the Gnoto and Adams cash together if it means a player in that can do the job.

Itll be god awful if we are in the same position next summer looking for another £12m striker after wasting £25m after another season have grief.

Sam Hoare
158 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:29:12
It's very easy to say Adams is not good enough (and I tend to agree) but who are the viable alternatives? Lots of people will say that this is Thelwell's job and that's true but he can't find players that don't exist.

Perhaps people will prove me wrong but I'm not convinced there are many plausible, better solutions. Heres a few we've been linked with.

Ekitike- Very raw. Closer to chermiti than DCL in readiness. I'd happily get him but better clubs than us are keen.

Daka- Decent. Very different profile to DCL. not prolific.

Iheanacho- see Daka.

Broja- Yes please, but no idea if he's available. Probably not now Nkunku is injured.

Beto- yes please. But we don't have £30m and he doesn't score many.

Lukaku- can't afford his wages.

Vardy- finished at PL. is 36 and managed 3 goals in almost 2000 minutes last year.

Dia- Also £25m potentially and a different profile to DCL. Probably one of the more plausible options but very difficult to know how he'd adapt. risky at that price.

Joel Piroe- Similar to Maupay, not quick, not strong, not sure he's a better option at all.

Brobbey- could be interesting but expensive and quite raw.

Morelos- a troublemaker who's never scored more than 11 goals in a season in Scotland.

Orban- terrific prospect but not less than £25m and being courted by Spurs and more enticing clubs

Antonio- would happily take him on loan though his output and fitness are diminishing.

Basically for £10-15m there are just not that many reliable options out there. We've taken our punt of Chermiti and hopefully he proves a gem but Dyche needs someone to hit the ground running who can do a job for the team (not just score goals) and I struggle to find a significantly better option. Maybe someone else can suggest one?

Alex Gray
159 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:32:31
Phil he has five goals for scotland. His eye for goal equates to less than Maupay and 20 games more. Never scored double digits in the premier league. His creative numbers are equally abysmal. His calm clinical finishing once again equates to less goals than Maupay in more games.

Can anyone provide evidence that he is of any use to us whatsoever apart from "i like him" because there is literally no stat that tells us that a 27 year old that scores and creates less than Maupay over his career is somehow going to be a better option than Maupay.

Dale Self
160 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:33:54
Squint your eyes really hard and imagine he is Troy Deeney.
Alex Gray
161 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:39:42
Dale squint even harder and imagine him half a foot taller with a ponytail and he could even be Andy Caroll.
Mike Allison
162 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:41:03
Now Southampton want more money. Don’t bother stifling the laughter and walk away. I’d much, much, much rather see Dobbin and Cannon in the side than waste money on another small, slow striker who spent score.

If we haven’t got money, we haven’t got money to waste on ineffective players.

Si Pulford
163 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:46:41
Alex how were Girouds stats when France won the World Cup?

Stats tell half the story. We get you don’t like him.

Tony Everan
164 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:50:27
Iheanacho would be a better target.

Kelechi Iheanacho goal contribution stats last season per stood at 0.8 per 90 min . Che Adams clocks in less than half of that output at 0.36 per 90 min.

He would be gettable, get and create more goals. Stats need interpretation, but such divergence gives a clear picture. I don’t understand this piece of recruiting unless it is financially necessary to finally sign Gnonto.

Alex Gray
165 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:53:09
Si, that's all well and good when you have mbappe and other players around him that can score for fun. Our midfield doesn't so unfortunately we need a striker that can score. Also an international tournament isn't exactly comparable to the premier league. Giroud could hold the ball and actually score.
Soren Moyer
166 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:56:35
Everton seriously need to widen their scouting perimeter ffs!
Keith Gleave
167 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:57:46
There are far better than this, even where we are shopping. Another Maupay.
Frank Sheppard
168 Posted 18/08/2023 at 13:57:50
Am I missing something? He is an international striker, with PL experience, not in his 30’s, available and we may be able to afford him. Don’t see much of a decision to make.
Sam Hoare
169 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:04:22
Alex, who do you think we should get?
Dale Self
170 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:06:24
I’m not saying we will successfully shop it but the winger market looks thicker and we should be and are more focused on that position for investment. Adams would enable Danjuma to play in his preferred CF position and would provide a reliable (easy on the moans) backup striker for two seasons.

This is the overall timing of the revamp. For 15m there isn't much else available that doesn’t come with price overpay risk. With Adams you know what you’re paying for and will get just that. That is likely the thinking on this.

Kieran Kinsella
171 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:08:44

If there’s no one affordable who’s worthwhile we could just keep our money and muddle through with what we have. Not really ideal obviously but if you look at last summer we bought Maupay due to lack of alternatives. He got one goal and did little else. If we’d never signed him and muddled through with Simms, Gray, Gordon as he was here half the season, Dobbin, Cannon or even Keane would things have been any worse? Probably not.

Then we have Chermiti who Dyche says is “very unlikely to hit the ground running.” Had we not bought him or Maupay we’d be 26 million richer and no worse off and we could be looking at 38 million pound strikers right now. If we do buy Adams he’s someone we already know isn’t good enough so it’s just a matter of how quickly he joins the deadwood pile with Gbamin Maupay Gomes arc

Brian Williams
172 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:13:23
Enlighten us.
Give us a few names.
Steve Cotton
173 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:17:09
There is no point spouting alternatives, that is Thelwalls job...

If we keep looking at the same bunch he is not doing his job.

You can bet a few other Prem teams will find a few gems for reasonable money...

Mick O'Malley
174 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:17:12
Alex @ Various, agreed, also Adams’s goal scoring record for Scotland is against teams like Moldova, Israel etc, I’d sooner we spend our poxy few quid on someone Like Paul Mullen of Wrexham, someone with something to prove, mind you he’s recovering from an injury picked up in preseason, I reckon Mullen could be like a modern day Wayne Clarke who was an accomplished finisher, whenever I’ve seen Wrexham play against teams higher up the pyramid he doesn’t look out of place, I know I’ll probably get laughed at but I’d sooner take a chance on someone like him than Adams, There’s some good strikers knocking about in the lower divisions who’ll do a job as a stand in or off the bench
Sam Hoare
175 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:20:43
Kieran, I think certainly that we could have saved that money on Maupay. However we're yet to see what we might sell him for. If we get £8m for him then we've not lost much.

I think Adams is a slightly different fish because his style of play is a better fit so he is more likely to be useful to Dyche in offering an alternative to DCL (even if he is far from prolific).

Keep in mind also that Chermitti only cost us about £2m this summer (the rest is on the drip) and the same might be true of Maupay last summer. So i'm not sure its as simple as saying if we didn't have them we could spend £24m, so much of it is to do with which clubs are prepared to business that way.

I'm still quite on the fence about Adams but if we can sell Maupay and buy Adams with the money that makes sense to me. Otherwise I think you're right and we're maybe better off saving the money for elsewhere, though as I wrote above i'm not sure who the better, plausible striker options are.

Dale Self
176 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:25:35
There is no point in offering alternative options to Thelwell’s choices. If he chose our suggested option that would simply provide more reason to slag him. Sackre Blue.
Alex Gray
177 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:27:33
Sam i'd be guessing at who's available for a start. But I would take Dia or Daka before Adams. Akor Adams, Boniface, Orban are players we could've gone for if we'd moved earlier in the window.

Obviously I don't know who is available as i'm not part of the club. But if you said after a two year striker hunt that Che Adams is the answer the scouting department have either no invention or haven't been able to convince a half decent striker.

Once again my expectations aren't a 20 goal a season striker.

James Hughes
178 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:28:08
I really wish we would stop signing players from relegated clubs.
I know people do not agree but I think it is bringing more bad luck into an already struggling club. I think we can now field 8 relegated players.

And yes I have heard the counter argument before. They were part of a team and they couldn't keep the team up on their own. But unfortunately for me I believe in luck, or the rub of the green! We definitely did not get that last weekend

Anyway I am off to avoid any black cats or cracked paving slabs and buy some lucky heather

Jack Convery
179 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:30:51
As a carthorse once said - Nay, nay and thrice nay !!

Dyche has form with Che Adams. He tried to buy him for £12m in the 2019 Janauary transfer window, when managing Burnley.

If DCL was available on a free, from another club, would we take him ?
If Maupay was available on a free, from another club, would we take him ? I would hope the answer to these questions would be NO !
Yet we will spend £12m on a forward who has a worse record than both of them. It's got to be a deliberate managed decline of a once great club because nothing else makes sense.

Terry Farrell
180 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:31:45
Bw Beto aint all that!
Dave Evans
181 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:32:54
This thread reads like a cut and paste of the Macneil one last year.

Fact check. We are quite skint. We need another striker now. Adams can play now. Adams isn't Maupay. He is a Scot's mucker with Macneil. It could work.

Then sell some players. Get some more money. Sign the Leeds lad.
Happy days.

Steve Brown
182 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:33:04
It is a fair point that statistics don’t tell the full story (although 1 goal every 5 premier league games and 0 assists last season tells us quite a lot).

My main reservation about Che Adams is that he has been crap every time I have watched him play. He would simply add to the litany of terrible strikers that Danny@ 48 listed who we have signed since Lukaku left.

Let’s squander another £10-15 million on top of the £66 million we have already wasted on below average strikers who never score goals.

Chris James
183 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:37:35
Pathetic. Shambolic. Embarrassing…
Just some of the words that come to mind when I read the first remarks on ToffeeWeb forum… yet again.
The precise same armchair managerial brains-trust who’ve moaned about literally every signing all summer because we hadn’t got a striker, then because the striker we did buy wasn’t experienced enough, are now lamenting the striker we do try to sign who has pl experience…

One thing I do agree with then on, we can definitely afford to lose a bit more ‘dead wood’ in the window…

Mick Davies
185 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:46:00
If it's true what previous posts have stated: that Thelwell has been chasing Adams for 3 years, then it's no wonder we're in this mess, and if Maupay is our reference point for possible upgrades, then what has happened to this club since the prolific Lukaku went only 6 years ago?

Forget this 'best we can hope for' rubbish, that smirking tory gobshite has destroyed the hopes and dreams of every Evertonian, and resided over the worst period in our history - Nil Satis Nisi Optimum my arse. For the amount of cash we've spent on dud strikers, we could had 50 or 60 from the lower leagues, and surely we'd have found one or two better than Kean, Rondon, Maupay etc.

Paul Mullin anyone?

Kieran Kinsella
186 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:49:20
Dyche presser. He was directly asked about Che Adams "We are looking at lots of options in different positions but there is nothing to report."

In better news "Dom is fit and in the thinking." That apart some of these journos ask the stupidest questions. "Sean, how is Dom adapting to being a father?" "I don't live with him so I don't know."

"Sean, Aston Villa lost to Newcastle last week in some style." Dyche interjects "Some style? That's a very strange way of putting it."

One last interesting comment: he was asked about Gbamin and said "He is not with us at the moment," and then was asked if they'd let him leave "Well there has to been an offer made." So I assume he's just AWOL?

Sam Hoare
187 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:51:18
Alex@177, I would have liked Boniface a lot, though it would have been a big step up. Not sure Orban and Okafor are suited to lone striker role.

As for Daka, Dia, or Iheanacho, none of them are as good in the air (despite his size) as Adams or as adept at him as holding the ball up, crucial skills for a Dyche striker. They all have qualities but all have flaws too.

I'm not sure that any of those options are clearly an upgrade on Adams (Dia possibly but he is more expensive and it may turn out that his brilliant season in Italy last year was an outlier). We seem to have targeted more exciting options but have failed to convince (understandable given recent form)

Just because a choice is unimaginative does not necessarily mean it is wrong.

Ray Smith
188 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:56:33
Guys, we're in the bargain basement for one reason, and one reason only, which doesn't need explaining.

I just hope that whatever business is being done, is completed before the end of the window, rather than our usual deadline day scramble!

Jay Harris
189 Posted 18/08/2023 at 14:59:03
This is the signing I was dreading,,. a slightly better version of Maupay.

I would much sooner have a one-legged Vardy or Giroud for a season. It seems the club are intent on mediocrity as we stumble our way through another season of struggle.

I can only hope that Calvert-Lewin stays fit for much of the season.

Dale Self
190 Posted 18/08/2023 at 15:00:39
Kieran, the Dyche pressers will be gold. Any bad news will be offset by heavier invective for the journos that try to stick one in or are complete twits.

On other matters: “If we would have gone in sooner for X” is a fallacy. We might have simply invited a bidding war sooner and scattershots of offers smacks of desperation which seldom impresses anyone when they know you are essentially broke.

If you choose to slag Thelwell, okay… I'm not going to get weird if he gets partially blamed for the negotiation deficit where he begins. Straight fallacies will get a civil response though.

And until we know the structure of payments, let's go easy on the wasted money talk.

Conor McCourt
191 Posted 18/08/2023 at 15:00:55
Si, it is yourself and others who were forwarding the argument that Adams is the best we can get, that he would improve the squad and that a second striker is absolutely necessary. If we have £25-30 million of a budget then spend it on an Ekitike if possible, if not then spend it on a similar quality right winger with high potential and output.

My issue is that I feel Adams serves no purpose.

I have reason to believe we will not be in a relegation struggle this season;

If Dyche was manager all last season we would have been comfortably safe.

Calvert-Lewin won't be rushed like under Lampard so I would expect greater output.

Ashley Young, Danjuma and Jack Harrison will automatically boost our goals-for column substantially.

A top right winger and a one season contract for someone like Lingard (to compete with Doucoure) and if the prospective swap of Gnonto for Gray would further boost the goals column.

Our striking options would be Calvert Lewin and Danjuma as senior strikers with Cannon and Chermiti as backup dependent on progression. If Alli can restore some form, he may also provide an option.

We could have Gnonto, Sulemana, McNeil, Harrison, Lingard, Doucoure and Iwobi as options for the three roles behind the striker with the latter two also options for midfield roles.

Arsenal are going for the title yet Arteta wants to sell Balogun. He will rely on an injury-prone Jesus backed up by Nketiah as his strikers. He will use Trossard and Martinelli to fill in otherwise he will use academy players. Even with a squad like theirs. they will rely on two.

In our predicament, we can't waste money like we did with Maupay.

Christy Ring
192 Posted 18/08/2023 at 15:07:51
Lukaku is available for €30M, the Juve and Inter fans don't want him, can we not do a deal with Chelsea regarding his wages?

Iheanacho is available for €15M, a better player than Adams, in my opinion. If it goes to the last day of the window and we still haven't signed a striker, I'd take Adams then.

Ed Prytherch
193 Posted 18/08/2023 at 15:10:28
I heard that Ché can execute any plan.
Chris Hockenhull
194 Posted 18/08/2023 at 15:11:22
Chris (183). Spot on. Exactly my thoughts.

Glad this sort of media shite wasn't around in previous days or we'd have never signed some of our greatest players:

“Bloke who chain smokes all day even coming on to the pitch and in the shower“ (Roy Vernon)…

“Bloke who is at his wits end before every game panicking in the loo every 5 mins and throwing up” (Gordon West)…

”2 bloody fellers who can't get a game with the Red Shite" (Kevin Sheedy & Alan Harper)…

”2 fellows who are absolute crocks and can't string three games together and more broken legs than you could imagine (Andy Gray & Peter Reid)…

”A scruffy ex-binman from Llandudno and plays for Bury, for fuck's sake??” (Neville Southall)….

“An owl arse who's been stuck at Man City since the Napoleonic Wars, jeez!” (Paul Power)…

“For fuck's sake, he's on the piss every night before a game!” (Dixie Dean)…..

”You havin a laugh... smokes like crazy and he's got a part-time job as an undertaker???” (Ray Wilson)….

And on and on and on.

I wouldn't trust any of these doom merchants to manage a Subbuteo team!!!!!!

Jamie Crowley
195 Posted 18/08/2023 at 15:12:46

Just no. Lukaku is in cruise mode. He's made his millions, and he's clearly taken a liking to hamburgers. He was always an imposing beast when fit, now he looks like a guy who wears a white tank and slops buffalo wings all over his chest staining said white tank beyond repair while swilling a 6-pack at 1 am every night.

Trips down Nostalgia Road aren't what we need.

The above is brazen, I post in respect simply disagreeing with any thought of bringing back Rom.

Alan McGuffog
196 Posted 18/08/2023 at 15:27:47
Chris...loved that post. Never knew the esteemed Ramon was a man for the Players though.
But. Enlighten me please. With respect to " arse "..( Paul Power )
I always thought it was " aul" as in venerable. As opposed to "owl" as in nocturnal bird of prey.
English such a beautiful language.
Dale Self
197 Posted 18/08/2023 at 15:35:19
Jamie 195, a tougher question: would you have Richy back on acceptable terms?
James Hughes
198 Posted 18/08/2023 at 15:54:02
I would have Richy back any day of the week. I would even bankrupt myself and send a jet.

Did you see that clipwhere danjuma is saying Richy nagged him to join Everton

Jamie Crowley
199 Posted 18/08/2023 at 15:58:08
Dale -


Sometimes "big" moves don't work out. Richy was highly successful with us, he's got oodles of talent, and he'd help us enormously.

I'd have him back in a heartbeat.

Terry Downes
200 Posted 18/08/2023 at 16:08:46
Is it me or as all this got a sense of de javu were in for loads of players here ther and everywhere but close to signing none just like the last window ?
Tony Everan
201 Posted 18/08/2023 at 16:09:35
Ross Stewart at Sunderland is a player who likes to burst the onion bag. 26 goals in 49 games League one, then stepping it up in the Championship 10 goals and 3 assists in only 13 games before Injury. He’s out until the end of September, but entering the last year of his contract. Maybe a risk too far because of the injury but the player could well step up again. Someone will take a punt and I think they will be getting a bargain.
Dan Nulty
202 Posted 18/08/2023 at 16:10:27
Alex 124. Not sure where you are getting your stats from mate, Adams got 5 goals and 3 assists last year. Upgrade on Maupay no doubt and as stated by others holds the ball up well and brings others in to play. This is where we are having to fish now, need to get used to it.

An alternative to DCL who can also run channels and bring others into play is better than Maupay.

I'd much rather be bringing someone exciting in but it looks like we are prioritising our money on a young winger now to hopefully sell on for a profit in a year or two. We are also hoping that in two years time Chermiti turns into the real deal and that is our ready made replacement for DCL.

Dale Self
203 Posted 18/08/2023 at 16:22:27
Me too Jamie and James, I think there are some Steves into it as well. It really would be best for all parties.
Peter Warren
204 Posted 18/08/2023 at 16:31:21
I’d rather have that big unit who played for Dyche at Burnley who didn’t score a lot but was a handful. Woods was it? What happened to him?
Kieran Kinsella
205 Posted 18/08/2023 at 16:42:30
Peter Warren

He now warms the bench at Nottingham Forest

Mark Taylor
207 Posted 18/08/2023 at 17:14:12
If we could replace Maupay with Adams at no or minimal loss, I'd be OK with that. He can't be as bad as Maupay who I think has lost any confidence he ever had. We already have the young striker with potential in Chermiti and who knows, he might be capable enough to pay. He's not that young.

But to have both Adams and Maupay on the payroll does look profligate. Can't afford to have two strikers on the books we can't shift.

Right now the bookies have Luton and Sheffield United strong odds on to go down and that strikes me as likely. So points deduction aside, we just need to be better than one of Forest, Wolves, Burnley and Bournemouth. It's actually a slightly easier task than last year. Even small enhancements, if that is what Adams can potentially be, should make a fair difference.

Danny O’Neill
208 Posted 18/08/2023 at 17:46:07
Chris @194, quality, that will take some beating!

Thanks Ian, I'll be clapping tomorrow. I hope your are too. I hope we all are.

Geoff Lambert
209 Posted 18/08/2023 at 18:09:56
Who in their right mind is asuming that anyone is going to buy Maupay. Another long contact that will sit in the reserves and take his wages till he runs down his contract.
Mike Corcoran
210 Posted 18/08/2023 at 18:12:26
May as well just stick Keane up there instead. Probably got more goals per minute spent in the final third than Che.
Geoff Lambert
211 Posted 18/08/2023 at 18:14:46
Chris #194 your as far in the past with your selection of players as you are with your table football. You belong in the ark with all of them.
Joe McMahon
212 Posted 18/08/2023 at 18:22:10
Peter, he was loaned out to Forrest. Way to slow, often injured and doesn't score even when fit. We have enough of that at Everton already.

Chris @194, how far back are those names. Its 2023!

Mark Taylor
213 Posted 18/08/2023 at 18:29:41
Geoff 209

Someone as desperate as we are? For a start, Southampton in a swap deal. Maupay has actually got a decent record in the Championship.

I wouldn't have Adams on a long, expensive contract. We are offering him a way back into the EPL, after all. And if he and/or Southampton play hardball, we walk away, because he sure isn't that critical for us, I just felt he could hardly do worse than Maupay whose confidence is quite clearly shot at Everton, but might do ok elsewhere, especially at a lower level, as he has done before with Brentford.

Chris Hockenhull
214 Posted 18/08/2023 at 18:46:39
Geoff (211) Bollocks I’m a Blue so no ark for me. (212) How far back??? I mention those names as they were players over the years who actually won things with this club… one who was a World Cup Winner. So the both of you … next time your mumble “ and if you know your history..”. …. Well hang you head and don’t join in. You’ll start on me about music next…,, well …er… don’t bother
Ian Bennett
215 Posted 18/08/2023 at 18:48:18
Daka looks a far better bet from Leicester. He's 25, 6 foot, is quick on the break and was prolific at red bull Salzburg 54 in 82. So knows how to score.

In his first season he had 11 goals or assists in 1,848 minutes. So that's 11 goals in 20 games equivalent. He can play up front and wide right.


James Marshall
216 Posted 18/08/2023 at 19:02:41
25 goals in 124 league games says he won't score loads but he's a better link man than Maupay.

Mind you, who isn't.

We're Everton so we're stuck buying in the bargain bucket.

Dan Nulty
217 Posted 18/08/2023 at 19:02:49
Gnonto puts in a transfer request.
Colin Glassar
218 Posted 18/08/2023 at 19:42:20
Adams isn't great but he's better than Maupay. In fact, I'm better than Maupay.

Disappointed in Thelwell. He's another Walsh.

Peter Mills
219 Posted 18/08/2023 at 20:21:53
Bob Dylan would never make it on the music scene now (Sorry Chris, couldn’t resist!).
Soren Moyer
220 Posted 18/08/2023 at 20:42:23
Why aren't we going for Niclas Füllkrug of Werder Bremen? 30 y/o, built like a tank, knows where the goal is, same price bracket as Adams, 16 goals and 5 assists last season!
Kieran Kinsella
221 Posted 18/08/2023 at 21:38:37
Joe McMahon,

Your slow, often injured, doesn't score when fit Mr Wood just got what looks like the winner for Forest.

Joe McMahon
222 Posted 18/08/2023 at 21:44:26
Kieran, yes I know. But there must be a reason why Eddie Howe gave up on him. As you know I see a fair bit of Burnley and his awful form contributed to their relegation. But yes Everton score a meagre amount of goals most seasons, so even 5 goals would be a bonus.
Kieran Kinsella
223 Posted 18/08/2023 at 21:45:43
Haha true Joe
Gerry Western
224 Posted 18/08/2023 at 21:59:42
The feeling I get is that Gnonto is a player they are desperate to get. If that means going way beyond their original budget in order to secure his signature they will do what ever they have to in order to get him. That may well mean sacrificing what they are prepared to splash out on a striker. It's a risky strategy but could pay dividends if successful. My hope is that Maupay is in some way used in part exchange.
Alex Parr
225 Posted 18/08/2023 at 22:38:07
I'd take Fullkrug defo
Laurie Hartley
226 Posted 18/08/2023 at 23:22:32
Sam # 158 - “never scored more than 11 goals in a season in Scotland”. I would just like to point out that 11 goals is the least number of goals he has scored in a season in Scotland.

He reached double figures 6 seasons in succession - 18 in one of them.

As for being a troublemaker - I don’t know but suspect if he got a gig with us, given his current situation, he would pull his head right in.

Cost to Everton £0 plus wages.

Ian Riley
227 Posted 19/08/2023 at 00:47:26
Has he signed yet? Let's get him in and then criticise the lad. As if the club is in a position to bid and expect players to come.

We are a step up from the Championship but whoever shows up will be an improvement on last season. A player with Premier League experience ready to start and give competition at a reasonable price. What is the problem?

Perhaps other strikers mentioned are not interested in coming to us? It's a wait and see who comes.

Cathal Naughton
228 Posted 19/08/2023 at 00:49:49
Buying this spooner is yet another example of the ineptitude of the Everton board. Disastrous signing in the making. I would do better, I would do it for free.

Could you possibly strive to be this bad at one's job. I hold no hope, amateur hour. The guy is profoundly useless. Get him for what, he can't play the system the manager is promoting. This is a joke or wake me up from the nightmare.

Nick Page
229 Posted 19/08/2023 at 00:52:37
“What is the problem?”

Jeezus Christ…..

THIS is the problem.

Ian Riley
230 Posted 19/08/2023 at 01:34:14
Don't worry, Nick#229.

Personally, I don't think anyone will be coming in. Maupay and Calvert-Lewin will see us through. Hopefully the midfield can chip in with 15 goals plus.

Just thought having an extra striker might help us stay up? Many on here have seen enough of the player to judge he's not the right fit for us. Perhaps stay with what we have till January and assess our position.

Stay positive all.

Jack Convery
231 Posted 19/08/2023 at 01:48:06
Why not test out Fiorentina for Luka Jovic.

He played 31 games in Serie A and scored 6 with 3 assists last season. He also played 13 games in the Conference League and scored 6 with 1 assist. He's 25 and a current Serbian International. Real Madrid once paid £63m for him back in 2019, so he must have something about him.

Maybe it was just too much too soon for him to handle. He's valued at £8M and his contract is up in June 2024. Fiorentina have 5 centre-forwards on their books at present, so they may be looking to unload one of them. Another thing is he's way better than Adams or Maupay.

Chris Hockenhull
232 Posted 19/08/2023 at 02:08:05
Peter (219).

Shame on you Peter. I had you down far better than that golden nugget of opinion.

Well … like it or not, the old bugger is still around pissing people off, 50+ years and counting. Don't Be Denied!

(Sorry, Peter, I could not resist.) 😜😜

Steve Brown
233 Posted 19/08/2023 at 03:23:34
It’s got to the state where I can’t get to sleep at night until I’ve received the latest Dom medical bulletin.

Which other club has not been able to sign a decent forward for 5 years?

Si Cooper
234 Posted 19/08/2023 at 03:32:19
Jack (231),

Wasn't Andre Gomes once bought by Barcelona? Pretty much every team has a history of buying duffers. How can you be sure he'd do better than Adams?

Do all of our resident ‘scouts' have expert knowledge and due diligence on the work permit and squad nationality make-up compliance requirements?

Eddie Dunn
235 Posted 19/08/2023 at 06:25:40

Wood got the winner for Nottingham Forest last night.

Bobby Mallon
236 Posted 19/08/2023 at 08:12:52
This deal should not happen. We have a young striker who would run through a wall for this club. GIVE THR YOUTH A CHANCE FFS.
Derek Thomas
237 Posted 19/08/2023 at 08:29:23
I have some sympathy for Bobby's plea...and I definitely wouldn't bring Adams In, until we had a way to get Maupay Out...though that said - he may play better feeding off him - it's a minefield.
Danny O’Neill
238 Posted 19/08/2023 at 08:35:41
Reading through all of the posts, I suppose there are few things, taking into account the different opinions.

We are shopping at Asda, not Harrods or even Waitrose. Even Marks & Spencer's seems out of reach.

Any player coming into Everton is facing a tough gig.

A very passionate (beyond belief) support base who's expectation will not be beaten out of them.

In the context of confusion and uncertainty going on in the background.

If we do sign him, let's give him a chance. It's a bit like being thrown into Dunkirk and asked to sort out that German problem against the odds.

Steve Shave
239 Posted 19/08/2023 at 08:44:58
Danny - bargains can be had in Asda pal and sometimes it's about being in the knockdown section at the right time.

If we get him then Maupay will go (even if it's a loan) and we will have to give him a chance, as I mentioned above I think he has the attributes to become a bit of a fan favourite. Ok, I'm going to stick my neck out further here and say it (my low key Steve Ferns/Marco Silva moment) I think he will be a really good signing.

Bobby @236, it's an interesting one bud isn't it? Yes Cannon would run through walls to get his chance and he seems highly sought after but it is at least one season too soon and too much to expect of him.

That said, it would be very Everton to agree to sell him to Leeds for say £8m and for him to turn out to be exactly what we've been searching for. I feel on balance it's too much of a risk to rely on him for PL goals right now and that could be detrimental.

You could argue Bobby I suppose that Chermitti is the same age, he is probably more raw as a player too but he has the physicality we've been looking for. 6ft 4" and someone who will get PL minutes this season, probably being thrown on with 10 mins to go as we launch balls into the box, not Cannon's game. Personally I hope we are really canny with his development.

Danny O’Neill
240 Posted 19/08/2023 at 09:01:12
Totally Steve.

Some of our best signings who seemed unassuming have been our best and gone on to be popular.

It's down to scouting, but the reality is you never really know how a signing will turn out. Always a gamble.

Jason Li
241 Posted 19/08/2023 at 09:23:06
Ideal: Didier Drogba or a Lewandowski replica.

I think the only way the club can find quality is through a younger version with a high ceiling, proven can live at top level after a few games - like Chermiti.

Che Adams isn't the above, but is a decent player. Does look like a mix bag when he strikes the ball, can be very good to weak efforts. He will score some goals though as his historical position is taking chances in the focal point position.

Overall, If DCL isn't available on a particular match day, Adams looks like he will lead the line like a Premier League player better than any other forwards at the club currently. With deadline day approaching, looks like this is the best plan B if DCL isn't available.

Finally, Adams looks like the only player if he came to the club, who can hold the ball for a couple of seconds on the edge of the box and allow the team to move up the pitch. Not sure if Maupay has that in his locker.

Phil Lewis
242 Posted 19/08/2023 at 09:41:14
If you want to avoid another final match heartstopper then get the lad in. For the money we're spending, he's the best that's available. Stop haggling and get the deal done.

When you consider the endless list of mega million pound duds we've signed in recent years, the fee bandied for Adams, a proven Premiership striker, is peanuts by comparison. We don't need more wingers, we need a seasoned striker.

With big questionmarks still hanging over DCL, sign Adams immediately.

Chris Leyland
243 Posted 19/08/2023 at 09:49:52
18 of our matches last season were either drawn or we lost by a single goal. Winning 4 of the draws and drawing 2 of the losses would have meant 10 extra points and the mid-table mediocrity we would have settled for.

If Adams comes in and scores the 6 goals that mean these 10 extra points, then it's money well spent.

Frank Sheppard
244 Posted 19/08/2023 at 10:05:48
Posts 242 and 243, well said, common sense. I agree.
Ben King
245 Posted 19/08/2023 at 10:16:34
#242 and #243,

Spot on.

We are where we are. We are aiming for mid-table after 2 relegation dogfights

This chap helps us get to mid-table so get him in and stop complaining and start backing

Eddie Dunn
246 Posted 19/08/2023 at 10:18:36
Danny - we are shopping at the Co-op and most of their stuff is already past it's sell-by date!
David West
247 Posted 19/08/2023 at 10:24:32
If he's coming on average wages, not Gomes, Gbamin or Dele level wage, on a medium-length contract, he's an upgrade on Maupay. He's not on anyone's wishlist, but I'm sure he's a last resort.

I don't think like some people that Dyche & Thelwell haven't been looking for options. But there comes a point where we have to add goals. He's scoring more than our current strikers in a poorer team. If he played against Fulham I'd say we take the 3 points.

There's plenty of precedent for us signing unfashionable strikers and they end up doing an important job: Campbell, Naysmith, Rideout, Bent. Not the most high-profile but scored important goals and contributed at important times to make progress.

Players use our club as a stepping-stone to bigger things all the time. I'm thinking of Adams, Young, Danjuma etc as us using the players as stepping stones to get us to the relative safety of midtable without breaking the bank to put us in a better financial position in the next year or two.

Laurie Hartley
248 Posted 19/08/2023 at 11:31:00
Soren # 220 - never heard of Fullkrug but thank you for suggesting someone who actually scores goals!
Si Pulford
249 Posted 19/08/2023 at 11:31:04
Spot on David. There is logic to the strategy and it's based on exactly that- mid-table safety. Low-cost signings to get us out of the mess we're in financially.

Ché Adams is currently on £30k, not the hero we wanted ….

Robert Tressell
250 Posted 19/08/2023 at 11:34:39
Last season, Dyche showed that he's not wedded to playing off a traditional big centre forward. What he seems to be most keen on is counter-attacking football – which is enabled by various skill-sets such as hold-up play, running in behind, running the channels etc.

Plan A is obviously that Calvert-Lewin is the man for the job. Indeed he's very good at that role - and if we can get balls into the box for him, he'll score decent numbers too.

Longer term, Chermiti appears to be the guy who might even surpass Calvert-Lewin as a player (very early days obviously but he plays a bit like Adebayor to my mind).

In the meantime, a steady but unremarkable player like Adams might not be a bad stand-in. He won't score many goals, but maybe he's been assessed as doing the boring things well that allow the side to counter-attack effectively.

And if the financials for Adams allow us to get the Gnonto deal over the line, then it probably makes even more sense. We'd then end the window with Chermiti, Gnonto and Branthwaite coming into the squad as extremely talented youngsters who could all be worth north of £50M (or even more) if they kick on over the next few years – and Adams, Danjuma and Harrison (and Young) as experienced pros to help them bed in.

I also think we'd have added at least 15 extra goals to the side for next year (across all signings) which should mean we don't get into another relegation fight.

Ian Riley
251 Posted 19/08/2023 at 12:06:47
Any player(s) willing to join my club gets my backing. This utter nonsense about who we should be buying and reality of fee and salary we can afford are wide apart.

Coming to Everton from 2 relagation scraps would be a step down unless from a lower league. We are buying from the lower market end to attract players and affordability. Mid table and push on would be real progress.

John Chambers
252 Posted 19/08/2023 at 12:29:46
I see Adams is starting for Southampton today…
Si Pulford
253 Posted 19/08/2023 at 12:31:17
He's starting for Southampton. Broken leg incoming. 😂

Seriously though indicated this deal isn't even close to getting done if he's starting today.

Ben King
254 Posted 19/08/2023 at 12:50:09
Si #253

Agreed. What's going on? Are we not signing even Ché Adams??

Si Pulford
255 Posted 19/08/2023 at 13:14:43
I think we will, Ben, but we haven't met their valuation and he doesn't seem the type to kick up a fuss so they've got every right to play him.

If a deal was close, they'd protect their asset. Got "end of the transfer window" vibes, this one.

Ben King
256 Posted 19/08/2023 at 13:51:22
Si, my heart can’t deal with end of the transfer window. Wish we could just get stuff done!!
Rob Halligan
257 Posted 19/08/2023 at 14:24:08
Che Adams scores Southampton winner. Also his third goal of the season, I think.
Ray Smith
258 Posted 19/08/2023 at 14:24:21
Another £3M on Ché Adams's transfer as he scores for Southampton!!!
Ray Smith
259 Posted 19/08/2023 at 14:25:38
You beat me to it, Rob, and yes, his 3rd of the season.
Joe McMahon
260 Posted 19/08/2023 at 14:27:27
FFS another 3 million as he Gets last minute winner. Just shows what we have been missing for a long time, a proper striker to finish.
John Kavanagh
261 Posted 19/08/2023 at 14:27:49
Ben K. Relax. Try breathing exercises. Then, like most of us, expect absolutely nothing.

Then you won't be disappointed or get over excited in the run up to the deadline and may even be grateful to Chairman Bill when the new Maupay or Rondon is trundled out with his usual theatrical flair.

Dale Self
262 Posted 19/08/2023 at 14:42:05
Cue someone who was against getting him now slagging the DOF for waiting too long and overpaying.
Si Pulford
263 Posted 19/08/2023 at 14:55:19
Excellent Dale.
Sam Hoare
264 Posted 19/08/2023 at 18:11:06
Not sure why Southampton would sell him to be honest. He's their starting striker and will probably get 20-25 goals this season to help them in their promotion battle.

If his goals get them up then he'll be worth far more than £15M to them.

Derek Taylor
265 Posted 19/08/2023 at 18:28:43
I hear it's not the transfer sum holding up the deal but Everton's inability to come up with an acceptable timescale for payment thereof. (Not much up front and then buttons over a long period?)

We've just got to accept that our club is totally skint with massive commitments re the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock!

Billy Shears
266 Posted 19/08/2023 at 20:11:13
Hardly inspiring like, should've gone in for Akpom at Boro... we plod on it seems!
Jack Convery
267 Posted 19/08/2023 at 20:30:25
Another freebie has just come on the market that may well be right up Everton's street.

Stefano Okaka, centre-forward. Height 1.86m. Career goals record from CF 341 games, 85 goals and 29 assists. He's played in Serie A for several teams including Udinese, Parma, Roma, Bari and Sampdoria. Also played for Fulham, Anderlecht, Bakakshir and Watford.

Last season, he did play 37 times for Bakakshir, scoring 7 with 3 assists. He's 34 and most probably injured (he missed the last few games of last season, due to injury). Sounds ideal!

ps: He also scored twice against us in 2016 whilst at Watford.

Dan Nulty
268 Posted 19/08/2023 at 21:08:47
I just don't understand why our director of football can't pick up the phone and thrash out a deal or no deal in 30 minutes and walk away if needed.

I don't understand the delays of deliberation, surely these guys have their budgets and what they need from each deal. Why does it take days or weeks to get to an agreement?

Michael Connelly
269 Posted 19/08/2023 at 21:46:40
3 goals in 3 Championship games. But he's no better than Maupay, so no point signing him.

(General sentiment from above.)

Iain Johnston
270 Posted 19/08/2023 at 22:04:06
Michael #269, exactly... even Maupay looked like a world class player in the championship.
Iain Johnston
271 Posted 19/08/2023 at 22:09:36
Dave Lynch
272 Posted 19/08/2023 at 22:21:58
He can't pick up the phone and thrash out a deal because we have nothing to deal with ffs.

Accept it... we are in for another season of thrashings off the big teams and scrappy draws or wins off the rest.

Staying up will be a massive achievement in itself. The die was cast years ago, it's not gonna change with no money, no class signings and a very, very average manager.

Ben King
273 Posted 19/08/2023 at 23:38:05
Dave #272,

I agree with a lot of what you said aside from that we have an average manager: Dyche did brilliantly to keep this lot up given we just don't have any goal scorers.

It amazes me that educated football fans can't give credit where it's due: Dyche did what most would not have been able to do.

Sad that many just can't see it.

Si Pulford
274 Posted 20/08/2023 at 00:05:26
Barry Hesketh
275 Posted 20/08/2023 at 00:28:33
Good link, Si @ 274,

This is probably the most important time for the players to have total honesty from their manager. Mind you, I don't think he's foolishly honest with the media, so he knows the game they play.

"His man-management skills are second to none. He knows how to have a close relationship with a player but also strongly maintain the player-manager divide.

"From a player's point of view, honesty is the one thing you ask from a manager. He has that in abundance, whether you like it or not.

Seeing as this was a piece on Sky Sports, I fully expect Moshiri to do something rash again and replace old gravel voice with Mancini, just for the sake of it.

BTW - why is this thread, formatted completely differently to all the other threads, or is it just my machine?

Barry Rathbone
276 Posted 20/08/2023 at 01:57:21
Dan @268,

I suspect our difficulty lies in being utter no marks in the modern game.

Any half-decent agent will hawk his player around the multitude of other division makeweights once we express serious interest and we have no option but to wait and see. We don't have the financial clout to force the issue and are as attractive as one of the ugly sisters in Cinderella.

Kieran Kinsella
277 Posted 20/08/2023 at 02:40:07
Barry Rathbone,

For an agent analogy, it's like your clients are booked to support The Beatles for several years, then same venue same ticket price you offered supporting The Bootleg Beatles under Moyes.

Then they break up and it's The Bottleg Bootleg Beatles. Then finally it's the Bootleg Chas and Dave. Or go elsewhere and play alongside Taylor Swift.

Jim Bennings
278 Posted 20/08/2023 at 06:57:21
People saying no but the alternative is not getting anyone in and relying on cheese-strings hamstrings of Calvert-Lewin.

Cannon is nowhere near Premier League ready, and if he didn't get his loan out, then that's curtailing his progress for the future.

Dobbin isn't a striker, I watched him a few times for Derby and frankly he doesn't look like he's got many goals in him, at least not yet.

Danjuma isn't a striker either – contrary to everyone thinking he can play down the middle, his only real effective position is wide left or at a push right side; he may get 7 goals… he may not.

So, narrowing it down, unless we do sign a striker of whatever profile, considering we are linked with 20 different ones per day, then we are going to be struggling in the same shit bath that Wolves are, regardless of "playing well".

If you can't score enough goals, then you end up near the foot of the table.

Nigel Munford
279 Posted 20/08/2023 at 10:24:36
Ben/Si, lets hope the stats change some doubters minds, if there’s a manager that can work miracles on a shoe string budget, with a poor squad then that man is Sean Dyche.
Dale Self
280 Posted 20/08/2023 at 12:33:48
Here is a couple to consider. Supposedly a £13M price has been set for Borges an upcoming winger and Chelsea are talking to Spurs about Lukaku. I guess Spurs might keep Richarlison for backup but that won't last.
Ian Bennett
281 Posted 20/08/2023 at 12:45:26
Ekitite supposedly off to Fulham to replace Mitrovic. Munai off to PSG.

Balogun and Daka interesting Chelsea, Monaco, Roma and Inter in the chase.

Wolves, Everton and Bournemouth chasing Adams.

Robert Tressell
282 Posted 20/08/2023 at 13:22:01
There's still a lot of deals to be done and still lots of players available who would be a good fit for us. I wouldn't be surprised to have another 3 new signings before the window closes. Most other clubs are the same boat.

Jim # 278, Danjuma isn't a striker in the conventional sense, as you say. So I agree he isn't a logical choice to play as the focal point for players like McNeil and Harrison to hit with crosses.

However, he is a versatile and talented forward who might be decently suited to counter-attacking football and running the channels / running in behind - a style Dyche seems to like. So a better option than Maupay hopefully, especially away perhaps.

I'm interested to see how he fares against Villa, assuming he gets some minutes.

Peter Hodgson
283 Posted 20/08/2023 at 18:03:26
It looks as though our main striker has reached the end of his particular road after us being patient with him but this patience has got to come at an end eventually and that time is now. Adams, lets be honest here, is an improvement on what we have got, which isn't much truthfully.

We desperately need someone who is capable of scoring a goal. DCL was our only hope, and it was a hope not a given, but after getting match fit according to Dyche, he, perhaps unfortunately, he has to be taken off after a collision with the Villa goalie. Where does it end? In my view it is the right time for us to start a new chapter. Many will say we have dithered for too long already. Get Adams in and start the change now.

Final word. Dyche needs to get his finger out and stop picking Keane who for some obscure reason favours.

Kenwright is quite happy for us to dither for another 2 years or so but we will be in the Championship at best if that is allowed to happen and who wants that?

The performance today was miserable but I expected it and something that gives the fans and players some hope that we can turn the corner is badly needed before we sink further.

Jack Convery
284 Posted 21/08/2023 at 02:33:09
Anyone else see the irony in Saints beating Pilgrims on Saturday. Is it a sign of the End of Days.

If Che arrives does it mean the revolution we all crave has actually started.

Kenwright Out. Moshiri Out.

Chris Donnelly
285 Posted 21/08/2023 at 09:42:16
Just a reality check…….

Who would want to sign for a club that is in such disarray? It’s definitely going to be a relegation fight from here on out. The only players we will attract are ones that only want the paycheque that Everton are famous for giving out.
I have said it countless numbers of time, this is the way that Moshiri and Usmanov are running the club, they are just washing money, over spending on players, wages and the best way to wash money, build a stadium.
This is being done in broad daylight. This is why there isn’t the US investment, and to be honest it won’t be coming. It is just stories being made up, just like the story of the board’s safety last season.
I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but look at the facts, Moshiri - top draw billionaire accountant running the club into the ground.
Totally below average squad that is not offloaded and bettered.
Scouting team and DoF working with their hands tied all the time.
Which sane person would employ the fat Spanish waiter to the club that hates him as much as vegans hate a kebab shop!!
These are all designed to wash their dirty Cossack cash.
We are a below average championship team, and the fans are being robbed of their money and their heritage. Once a titan of football, on the brink of a plummet into the void of the uncertainty. And if this is allowed to continue we will be dropping to the verge of non league, just like Man City, but there will not be the happily ever after for us.

Chris Donnelly
286 Posted 21/08/2023 at 10:01:14
Just a reality check…….

Who would want to sign for a club that is in such disarray? It’s definitely going to be a relegation fight from here on out. The only players we will attract are ones that only want the paycheque that Everton are famous for giving out.
I have said it countless numbers of time, this is the way that Moshiri and Usmanov are running the club, they are just washing money, over spending on players, wages and the best way to wash money, build a stadium.
This is being done in broad daylight. This is why there isn’t the US investment, and to be honest it won’t be coming. It is just stories being made up, just like the story of the board’s safety last season.
I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but look at the facts, Moshiri - top draw billionaire accountant running the club into the ground.
Totally below average squad that is not offloaded and bettered.
Scouting team and DoF working with their hands tied all the time.
Which sane person would employ the fat Spanish waiter to the club that hates him as much as vegans hate a kebab shop!!
These are all designed to wash their dirty Cossack cash.
We are a below average championship team, and the fans are being robbed of their money and their heritage. Once a titan of football, on the brink of a plummet into the void of the uncertainty. And if this is allowed to continue we will be dropping to the verge of non league, just like Man City, but there will not be the happily ever after for us.

Ian Jones
287 Posted 21/08/2023 at 11:53:17
I'd offer Lukaku the chance to come back to Everton on loan, even for half a season. No idea how the P&S rules would be affected. Might be worth a short-term punt. Although, I assume he would prefer Champions League, Chelsea aren't in it, nor are Spurs or Juventus.

Even with the way we play, he's likely to score a few goals and get us up the table. You have to assume that, if we bung a few crosses in for McNeil, Harrison or Lukaku, they will get on the end of some of them.

I was one of the people calling him 'lazy' but I'd rather have a lazy guy upfront who knows where the goal is than a hard-working one who runs round like mad and doesn't know.

Mike Doyle
288 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:05:35
Hi Ian,

It would be worth a try (though I doubt he'd fancy it). Lukaku's style of play is far better to a team set up to defend and attack on the counter (like us) than some of the others that he has played in recently.

I think Mourinho made this observation a few years ago

Steve Brown
289 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:21:55
Peter @ 283,

How exactly has Calvert-Lewin reached the end of the road with us after Sunday's incident? He bravely stuck his head in where Dixie Dean, Dave Hickson and Andy Gray would have gone. He is an absolute warrior in my book.

I also don't see Che Adams as an improvement on what we've got at all – 1 goal in every 5 premier league games and zero assists last season sums him up perfectly. He is a warm body to fill a squad shirt who will make no difference to our current plight.

Ian Jones
290 Posted 21/08/2023 at 12:57:49
Steve, don't forget Mick Lyons!

Don't think I'll include Gary Lineker in that list – to be fair, he had different qualities.

Christopher Timmins
291 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:18:33
The problem we face with less than two weeks to go before the window closes is that our club is no longer deemed an attractive proposition for possible new recruits. Once another club is interested in a player we always seem to lose out.

Last season we were dealing in the Cost Cutter end of the market and ended up with Maupay, which to date has been a failure. Now we look as if we are about to sign Adam's, lets hope that works out a bit better for us.

Tony Everan
292 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:32:42
Lukaku is exactly what we need, someone who doesn’t give a damn about goalkeepers positioning or defenders being physical. He just ignores it all and sticks the ball in the net.

Here’s the reality - He’s not coming back to Everton , but it’s this mentality and quality we need from a striker. Calvert-Lewin has a bit of it, but it’s a very dangerous game to be putting all our striking ability on Dom’s fitness, yet again. We were in the relegation zone with 35 minutes left to play playing that game last season.

I’d love us to sign Gnonto, but it’s the quality of striker signed that will make the difference. Che Adams is better than Maupay, but I’d see it as disappointing recruitment given another full summer window , to not get a better player in for what is the priority position.

But let’s see how it plays out, getting both Gnonto and Adams in will improve us and I’d be happy with that outcome.

Nick Page
293 Posted 21/08/2023 at 13:39:32
Where the fuck are Everton going to get the money from to pay Lukaku’s astronomical wages?
Andrew Brookfield
294 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:47:32
Maybe from the money they’re saving by not paying Mina, Coady, Gbabim etc…
Dale Self
295 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:50:53
Good material Jack 284
Dan Nulty
296 Posted 21/08/2023 at 14:55:28
We would be lucky if we could persuade Chelsea to contribute to Lukaku's wages. Only way that deal happens.
Eddie Dunn
297 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:20:44
Even if Lukaku could come, the guy hasn't completed 90 mins in a long time.
Joe McMahon
298 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:24:19
Lukaku aint coming back here. Even though his last season with Everton brought 25 PL goals, he's was still given stick off many for being lazy and not being committed because he didn't "Get Everton"

Maybe we have the team and manager we deserve. I read on here a few days ago someone stating Coleman now has his coaching badges. Seamus could be manager with Baines as No 2. Seriously, Kenwright would wet his fat knickers with joy!

Nick Page
299 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:26:42
So by the flawed logic of post 294, we offload three players - one of which we were stupid to let go IMO - to get one in loan so we can pay at least half his wages for a year, if he can even be arsed to play? A player who should have been replaced five years ago. With no value, and who would walk away at the end of the loan anyway?


Andrew, are you working for Everton?

Andrew Clare
300 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:31:38

Che Adams is coming in. How very very disappointing.
We are gearing up for the Championship.
What a terrible football club we have become.
Steve Brown
301 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:33:03
Ian @ 90, I forgot Big Mike Lyons.

He was born with a bandage wrapped round his head.

Dale Self
302 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:36:20
Just a thought here not an overt taunt but could WE maybe put our oft repeated club slams in haiku form? I’m not particular about the 5-7-5 format. Hell, go Tanka or free form. Just looking for some entertainment value from those comments
Les Callan
303 Posted 21/08/2023 at 15:49:28
Steve @ 289. If Dean, Hickson, or Gray had gone for that ball on Sunday, I’ve no doubt that the Villa keeper would have come off worse. Proper centre forwards they were.
Karl Meighan
304 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:02:02
Mason Greenwood is available would cost little is a potential England striker, good with both feet knows were the net is and about 10 times the player Che Adams is, oh ye he was also cleared so why would we want him?
Anthony Flack
305 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:12:58
Karl @304 you can't be serious about Greenwood. Asides from the rights and wrongs etc. it would be a media circus.

I assume you have not heard the recording of the conversation he had with the lady involved, as regardless of whether he has not been proven guilty of any crime, it was appalling.

Assuming the sound recording is legit. I would not watch the blues again, if he signed

Neil Lawson
306 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:13:15
Che Adams. Well, 299 of you have had their say. There appears to be a general consensus. After yesterday, Mr Adams may be having second thoughts. Not a chance. He will be thinking that a nice fat 4 year contract will take him to 31, and will he care if we are relegated? Of course not. A bang average player who may complement the squad but who is not the answer.
We have needed a proper striker for over 12 months. So why have we paid £15m for a 19 year old that Dyche won't play? Why are we going to pay £15m for a striker who will play but who is unlikely to score many goals? That's £30m. That's a half decent goal scoring striker. And if we are looking to the Championship for that player, why not give Cannon a fair opportunity? He scored 7 in half a season. More than our duds will manage before Christmas. You can not help but conclude that those responsible for recruitment are not on the same page. Or on any page.
And who plays if any of our 4 midfield dynamos ( heavy sarcasm) are injured/suspended. Onyango, but he is too young for Dyche. Davies, but he has gone. Warrington. He has gone too. Hands up for any other volunteers. From any perspective we are a complete shambles.
Paul Ferry
307 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:20:14
This 'Everton Adams' move does seem like a sort of metaphor of where and who we are at the moment and the sort of dull dishwater display we watched yesterday.

In a nutshell, it's not inspiring, it does not make me want to rub my hands and in a steely way say 'right, let's get on with it' or in the words of my first wife's West Ham family, 'let's ave it'.

We could be brighter, more creative, more well erm admirable in this matter of the striker gap, but instead we choose Keane over Branthwaite and 'Everton Adams' over any one of the more interesting and quite likely more effective possibilities that have been put forward on this thread for roughly the same amount of money (although we do seem to want to keep raising our potentially new Scottish wizard's fee).

We needed a Monday morning tonic but I for one woke up to heavy on the stomach dense, chewy, knotty porridge.

There is despair in the air. It's so tangible. We can feel it. It's not just this transfer tragic travesty (Arnaut seems to be a rare splash of sunshine on this score this year), needless to say, our safety-first, Keane-first, risk-averse, dogged, monochrome gaffer has just told everyone with eyes and ears that the whole team could have been subbed at half-time yesterday (the small tide of bluenoses who headed for the exits did not get subbed, but at least 3/10 Gana went off for 4/10 Dobbin).

Dyche is a big part of the problem now, not Kenwright or Moshiri big but he needs to pull something out of the hat soon, like Wolves soon (the beeb page gleefully quotes a blue who thinks that Kettering’s finest will be gone by the end of next month). ‘Miles off it today’, he says in a wake-up-call moment (we can hope). ‘It's a strange one because we were really on it last weekend’ – erm, we lost that game too, maestro.

It looks like we will steal Che from the host of other clubs who are in for him. He is what we are, although he’s banging them in downstairs in the Championship. Look, I’ll give him my full backing if he plays for us at the weekend, but I’m so glum right now – and I am on the more optimistic side of things, usually. I just want to feel a little joy and sunshine watching the club I remain proud to support.

Karl Meighan
308 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:26:32
Anthony@305 no I have not heard a conversation but sticks n stones come to mind, Maupay had to read worse last week on instagram I think it was.Greenwood was Cleared commited no crimes and there are 2 sides to everything. I would be suprised if the girl involved was a lady.
Jack Convery
309 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:27:11
BBC reporting DCL has a fractured cheek bone. Unlucky or what. If there is no one else, it now looks like we will have to get Adams.
Raymond Fox
310 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:34:07
Looks like Dominic will be out for 2 weeks minimum, so even if Adams is not great I think we should sign him, we need someone of his ilk.

The chances are he'll do his hamstring first game though, I think the clubs cursed/jinxed, it seems so.

John Raftery
311 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:39:31
More like six weeks I would have thought, Raymond? I agree we should sign Adams.
John Charles
312 Posted 21/08/2023 at 16:43:11
Oh dear god no.
I know DCL out for a few weeks - months? - but a very very average player we are stuck with for years.
A very poor man’s Ashley Barnes!
John Raftery
313 Posted 21/08/2023 at 17:03:14
John (312) I wish we had a few more ‘very, very average players’ like him.
Ray Smith
314 Posted 21/08/2023 at 17:38:15
Who are we signing? Does anyone know?

Anyone who knows us?

Apart from Adams who wants to join us!

Henrik Lyngsie
315 Posted 21/08/2023 at 18:02:20
Regarding the Greenwood dilemma, there are rumours that Sigurdsson is about to join Lyngby in the Danish super league. They have an Icelandic coach. Interesting to see what kind of reaction that will generate.
Anthony Dove
316 Posted 21/08/2023 at 20:46:19
I can't believe (well unfortunately I can these days ) that we are contemplating wasting further precious resources on a Maupay clone.
Ian Edwards
317 Posted 21/08/2023 at 21:01:52
It's the formation not the personnel. If Maupay was in a two he would score.
Rob Dolby
318 Posted 21/08/2023 at 21:13:30
Ian @317,

I don't see us playing 4-4-2 anytime soon. Certainly not whilst we are in the Premier League. I don't think the lad is cut out for the Premier League and would struggle to score playing for Man City nevermind us.

He works hard, is slow, not a physical threat, not good in the air, and can't finish. I have seen enough to give Cannon a run in the team.

Joseph Walsh
319 Posted 21/08/2023 at 21:38:25
Karl @308,

What an ill-judged and misinformed comment :“Greenwood was cleared”.

Greenwood was not cleared. The prosecution's chief witness, namely his girlfriend, withdrew her statement and the case against him collapsed as a result.

The case never got to a trial because she wouldn't come forward and give evidence so he was never cleared.

It's ignorant to assume this means he was cleared and innocent. The “evidence” in the public domain was damning.

You can read into that and speculate – was she paid off by his team? Did he woo her back with watches and roses? Who knows… but read the transcript or listen to the recordings of the allegations – they are more than compelling and they are not able to be defended.

See her bruises and battered body. He is without doubt a nasty piece of work and I wouldn't want him at our club. Fans seem to turn a blind eye to their heroes if they can score a goal but he should be nowhere near any Premier league club and will have to go abroad to salvage any career he had.

Your comment: “I would be surprised if the girl involved was a lady” is shocking. Did she deserve the beating and what happened to her? Have a word with yourself.

Stuart Sharp
320 Posted 21/08/2023 at 21:58:25
Whatever folk think of Adams, calling him a 'Maupay clone' is bizarre.
Stuart Sharp
321 Posted 21/08/2023 at 22:01:51
“I would be surprised if the girl involved was a lady”... what a truly vile comment. So depressing that we have such arseholes among us.
Christine Foster
322 Posted 21/08/2023 at 22:26:22
Karl #308,

Few women post on here and, with comments like yours, one can see why.

Take the time and trouble to view the pictures of her beatings on line, or the transcript of one alleged attempted rape. None of us know why she decided to withdraw her police statement. But that does not mean the abuse never happened.

You can speculate why she withdrew the statement: was she paid off? Threatened? Attention from press? Abuse in social media? Who knows, only she does.

But the evidence is clear, this is nothing like Sigurdsson's case.

As for your final comment, one assumes you meant Ladyboy or prostitute? Whichever, because you allude that, whatever happened, she deserved it, that it's okay, and had it coming?

I thought that people who think like that died out a long time ago. Clearly not, you should apologize to women on this site. Contemptible.

Brian Wilkinson
323 Posted 21/08/2023 at 22:42:23
This is what happens when you spend all summer farting around trying to bring Gnonto in instead of an out-and-out striker, panic steps in and suddenly you are scrambling around trying to sign average players, with the clock ticking.

They knew last season we needed a striker. We nearly paid the price with not getting it done. We knew when the final whistle went against Bournemouth last season, our top priority was to bring a striker in. Pre-season has past, two winnable games gone, and still no nearer to resolving our striker issues.

As soon as Moshiri said he wanted Bill staying on to negotiate transfers, my heart sank. I've been dreading the new season for the above reason. I am not one of the doom and gloom merchants; I try to be as positive as I can. I've even stayed clear of ToffeeWeb for a while and kept my opinions to close friends but, for the first time in a long time, I'm worried about our football club.

It is an absolute must we get one or even two strikers in before the window closes, or this time we might not be so lucky.

Ian Jones
324 Posted 21/08/2023 at 22:44:55
Christine, well said.
Tom Bowers
325 Posted 21/08/2023 at 22:45:42
After the first two games, it's obvious to everyone there has to be a shake-up and right now.

We have some new blood and they should be getting a start. Yesterday was a no-show for most of the starters despite a half-decent game against Fulham.

Getting Adams may help now that Calvert-Lewin is out again unless Dobbin or Cannon get a shot but I suspect they will just be benchwarmers a while longer or sent on loan.

With Gray seemingly out of favour and Maupay still struggling, the situation has to be arrested now because sitting at the bottom so early is a disaster after the fight they survived last season.

Jason Li
326 Posted 21/08/2023 at 23:17:08
I wonder if the reason Dyche is rumoured after Adams, apart from needing a goal scorer, is because he is a grafter. So is McNeil and Harrison. Danjuma, I don't know enough. But I hope these new players when fully integrated means they drag the team up the league.

These four players are braver and can hold the ball up higher up the pitch.

Currently we're relying on Danjuma at the weekend. If a striker comes in, strong speculation is Adams, then I think the season may start this weekend. Bizarre how it's been left so late.

Tony Everan
327 Posted 21/08/2023 at 23:18:25
Thank you, Christine, for commenting on this, no one on here could make the point better.

Greenwood is back on with his partner, have a recent baby together, and plan to get married. Relationships are odd things, and I have seen this before when abused women cannot walk away. She's given him another chance and maybe he's changed after some sort of therapy.

The case must have been dropped due to her not wanting to proceed or assist the prosecution? Financially for the couple it will be of massive benefit to have got it dropped.

He will surely go abroad.

Jack Convery
328 Posted 22/08/2023 at 00:28:13
Dyche wanted Adams when he was managing Burnley. I can only think that during his time out of the game he went to watch Leeds, hence his desire to get Gnonto from them.

Maybe Dyche is like a Mountie – he always gets his man – eventually.

Kieran Kinsella
329 Posted 22/08/2023 at 04:29:24
Karl and Christine,

I see tonight Greenwood is being linked with Gerard's Saudi team. Perfect. The Saudi regime share his values specifically with regard to women. Henderson the advocate for gay/trans ditched all his values when they waved a fat check in his face.

Today, the UN accused the Saudis of firing artillery shells indiscriminately multiple times at Ethiopian female and children refugees trying to cross the border. Then leaving the dead to the vultures, sending the injured to bombed out hospitals in Yemen and letting the fit survivors come to Riyadh to work on slave wages.

Absolute evil empire. Karl Meighan maybe you'd like it over there as you seem to share Mason's view of women?

Steve Shave
330 Posted 22/08/2023 at 08:19:57
Karl - disgusting views, hope to never see another post from you unless you've had a personality bypass.

In relation to the topic at hand, Chè Adams, I think I am only one of a handful who really want this to happen. I think he will be really good for us and I am hoping it gets pushed through today.

A fighter, strong, good mentality and Premier League experience. Sometimes a couple of faces really freshen things up and puts people on their toes.

I don't think I can take the negativity on here at the moment, it's totally knee-jerk; we need to calm down and get behind the boys. With the fans onside, we will be okay.

Robert Tressell
331 Posted 22/08/2023 at 08:44:22
Christine # 322, well said.
Sam Hoare
332 Posted 22/08/2023 at 08:50:15
Christine@322, very well said. Contemptible indeed.
Andrew Clare
333 Posted 22/08/2023 at 08:53:52
Agree entirely, Christine. There are too many misogynists around in all walks of life. Dinosaurs all of them.
Brian Harrison
334 Posted 22/08/2023 at 09:09:46
What is going on with our club?

For two seasons, we have needed another striker to lead the line, and we still haven't signed one or developed our own.

To be fair to Maupay, he is not a striker who can play the holding role; it seems every Blues fan knows this but apparently Lampard and Dyche think otherwise.

The reports are we have made an improved offer for Adams, while still supposedly having offered £20 million plus for a non-goal scoring winger from Leeds. Still seems we are more interested in getting wide players than strikers, which I find incredible.

I find it strange that Cannon hasn't been given any minutes despite scoring 8 times in the Championship last season; surely he is a better option than Dobbin or Maupay to play the role Calvert-Lewin plays?

Look, if our DOF and manager want Adams, then pay the money and get him in.

Andrew Ellams
335 Posted 22/08/2023 at 09:19:29
Karl, 95% of rape cases in the UK don't get to trial, is that because so many of the victims aren't ladies? Whatever that even means.

Back to Adams, how is somebody who's only around 5ft-9in supposed to replace Calvert Lewin in leading the line of a Premier League club? What's the point in sticking in crosses or long balls for him to hold up if the man marking him is 6 inches taller?

Sam Hoare
336 Posted 22/08/2023 at 09:40:08

Adams is surprisingly good in the air. He's strong and has a decent leap. I think as I've said earlier he'd do okay for us.

Though I'm wary of spending £15M on him given the other deficiencies in the team. Maybe a centre-back is as big an issue?

Tony Everan
337 Posted 22/08/2023 at 10:29:15
Adams and Gnonto would do for me as it's something that can realistically be achieved at this late stage. Also, both seem up for the move and the challenge, which is important.

Center-back is definitely an issue, it was clear as day at the end of last season that Mina brought stability to the whole side.

I was hoping that Branthwaite would fill the composure and quality gap and that defensive role. Keane time and time again proves he isn't that player. Dyche must really not rate Branthwaite.

Whatever Dyche's thoughts, Branthwaite would need some kind of rotation and back-up. This window should have seen two of Keane, Godfrey and Holgate moved on and someone better brought in. It's easier said than done, but it's Thelwell's job and he's well paid for it.

Very concerned about the right-back position, maybe a solution is to put Young there and bring Mykolenko back at left-back.

We have until next Friday so a lot could still happen, but leaving crucial signings until the last week is extremely risky and could leave us very exposed to blackmail. The main business has to be done this week even if we have to do deals through gritted teeth.

I just hope it's all not left too late and all we have is more hard luck stories, because failure in this window will mean another game of Russian Roulette with relegation, but this time with three bullets in the barrel.

Michael Lynch
338 Posted 22/08/2023 at 11:06:22
Tony @337, agree with all of that.

A fit Mina (almost as rare as a fit Calvert-Lewin) was a massive boost to us at the end of last season. We look very soft in the centre of defence at the moment.

Having said that, we look equally soft at right back, and in the middle of the park. Oh, and up front too. Not forgetting out wide. Still, we do have a decent goalie, I suppose.

Andrew Ellams
339 Posted 22/08/2023 at 11:43:04
If we're going to sign somebody who isn't going to be prolific in front of goal, then we need somebody who contributes more in a Number 10 role.

If Adams (and Calvert-Lewin) really could hold up the ball for the likes of Gnonto, Harrison and a Sigurdsson-type replacement, we would probably score enough goals to stay up and maybe even hit the dizzying heights of 12th or 13th.

Ray Smith
340 Posted 22/08/2023 at 12:25:26
What on earth is going on with Adams transfer?

Hudson Odoi, even if we were to get him, won't be signed ready for Saturday. Gnonto ditto if we stump up £30M which is totally ridiculous for a player that cost £4M a year ago!

The silence s deafening!
Dither, dither, dither again.
Deadline day panic buys again.
Why, why, why???

Terry Downes
341 Posted 22/08/2023 at 13:13:44
Looks like Everton are doing what they do best: wait till deadline day so they can save on wages and then, if things go wrong, they can say they tried and make the usual bullshit excuses they have been doing for the last four windows?

Déjà Vu!

Kieran Kinsella
342 Posted 22/08/2023 at 16:54:48
Interesting remarks from Alan Pardew:

"I saw Sean after the season ended and he was so relieved that they got over the line and he felt that they were desperately short.

“There isn’t really anyone that’s gone in there and you can’t really take a team somewhere they can’t go without the personnel.

“Unless they get some personnel and let me tell you they can’t afford to make a mistake – and i’m not sure Che Adams is the right one – otherwise their season is going to be very very difficult.”

Ian Bennett
343 Posted 22/08/2023 at 17:03:41
Huge Ekitite interest was supposedly leaked by a board member, but there isn't agreement on who they're signing.

All the hallmarks of Rooney, Sigurdsson, and Klassen being signed by 3 departments at everton. Mess on and off pitch.

Sam Hoare
344 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:22:56
Sounds like Adams may go through but Gnonto deal is probably off.

Not that I am especially adverse to Adams, think he’ll do ok, but I don’t love the idea of spending £15m on him when he’s almost out of contract and we have so many other problems to solve.

How about instead of £25m on Gnonto we spend that money on Ekitike instead and then use our domestic loans to get Sulemana and Kalvin Phillips, sell Iwobi for £18m before his contract expires and use that money to get Oumar Solet from Salzburg.

Garner Tarkowski Solet Young
Onana Phillips
Sulemana Danjuma McNeill

Virginia, Branthwaite, Patterson, Gueye, Myko, Doucoure, Harrison, Dobbin, Ekitike, Chermitti

That squad would surely do ok whilst having some real talent for the future.

Ray Smith
345 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:23:48
Silence, silence, silence!!!
Only Everton could make a drama out of a crisis!
And we are in a crisis, which is of our own making.
We will come through again, but why would anyone, and I mean anyone, want to join us, other than a goodbye pay day.
We will pull through, but every year we make it so hard for ourselves.
For those of you wishing Dyche out, think again, stability is what we need, and as with players what manager would want to join us with the likes of Kenwright at the helm, still pulling the strings!
We’re a total joke, and that comedian Kenwright is 100% responsible.
During his last serious health scare he always managed to turn up home and away.
Where is he now?
Don’t bother replying on that final point!!!
Paul Ferry
346 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:35:39
And of course Macallister's red card is overturned.
Rob Halligan
347 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:37:48
No surprises, Paul. The referee who gave the red card will now no doubt be demoted to the championship for a few months as a punishment.
Ray Smith
348 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:45:37
Ekitike isn’t coming to us! move on.
Let’s have some real news, not speculation and innuendo, for gods sake sort things before deadline day again!!!
I know I’m getting paranoid but things have gone too far, again!
Mike Doyle
349 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:50:01
Rob. Anything from the Finch Farm mole to give us some encouragement?
I’m still trying to work out why we invested so much time and money in recruiting “one for the future “ Chermitti (who it seems Dyche has no intention of playing any time soon) when we need one one (several) for the present.
Paul Ferry
350 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:51:00
Is right Rob, meanwhile I've looked again at the Pickford 'penalty' and I don't think that he touches him but happy to be told otherwise. I hope that your Sunday was not as bad as I think it might have been Rob. I hope you saw something that gave you reason to hope.
Rob Halligan
351 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:51:31
Sorry Mike, not a squeak!
Paul Ferry
352 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:51:45
That is a very good question/point Mike.
Andrew Ellams
353 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:58:11
Am I right in saying both Maitland-Niles and Dembele are both sitting at home with no club between them? How is Adams a better option than Dembele, especially when he's on a free?
Tom Bowers
354 Posted 22/08/2023 at 18:59:23
So how many other players think that studs up against the shin will now be legal. They already have carte blanche when it comes to players coming in late and cleverly stamping on another players toes. Referees don't know whether they are coming or going when the top clubs can whine and get red cards overturned.

It's crazy when the idiots at the VAR control can't make the decision so it goes back to the ref. who then gets lambasted no matter what he decides.

Got to admit football has become a mess but I suppose many people have grown up with the boring possession game of 5 yards forward and 10 yards back. Nobody is allowed to run at defenders anymore. Play like robots as long as you keep possession unless you are an Everton player of course !

Rob Halligan
355 Posted 22/08/2023 at 19:02:00
Paul, obviously being down the opposite end to where the penalty was, I couldn’t tell if it was a penalty or not? Having seen it on telly, I’m still not convinced. Ok the way Pickford flung his arm out was erratic, but, as you say, was there any contact? No doubt Anthony Taylor gave the penalty anyway for “Possible intent to injure”.

The only shining light for me was Danjuma who looked sharp, and I also thought Lewis Dobbin looked ok when he came on. Obviously the loss of DCL was a sickener. I don’t think anyone knew at the time what the exact injury was, because whilst play was ongoing, he suddenly sat down, and naturally most probably thought it was a re-occurrence of his hamstring. I must also say that in my opinion, there was no intent by the Villa goalie to injure DCL, it was just a coming together of two players hell bent on getting to the ball first.

Gerry Western
356 Posted 22/08/2023 at 19:02:58
Sam #344

I’m in total agreement, I’d previously posted a comment that I believed the club were curtailing they’re spend on a striker in order to facilitate capture of Gnonto who I believe they may have been prepared to pay over the odds for. I believed this to be a risky strategy.

I can no longer see any reason to continue with this approach with the news from Leeds. We should be merging the monies set aside for a striker and a winger to bring in a proven striker who can deliver.

Colin Glassar
357 Posted 22/08/2023 at 19:14:35
Adams is rubbish. I don’t know why we’re even bothering with him. As for Gnoto, we should tell Leeds to sell him or get stuffed.
Barry Hesketh
358 Posted 22/08/2023 at 19:21:51
Gerry @356
If the club was setting aside money for a proper striker, it seems ridiculous that they then get involved in a long drawn out process, which has seen the Leeds winger's price go up from circa £15m to an eye-watering £30m, which means if we do bow out of the transfer of Gnonto, then when we decide to make an offer - if we make one - for another player, that players agent will think, right we'll start out with £25m and try and get to £30m. Whatever tactics are being employed by whomever is in charge of purchasing players is making a right pigs ear of the whole thing.

I haven't seen the Kop-ites red card, I assume it was a second yellow, because yellow cards can't be examined by VAR, if it was a straight red, surely the VAR should have been the final word on the decision. I wonder how the Arsenal player feels about getting two soft yellow cards last night, with no hope of appeal?

Ian Bennett
359 Posted 22/08/2023 at 19:26:10

A bit of stats for you.

Adams is in the bottom 8% for non penalty goals in his peer group over the last 365 days.

Bottom 20% for expected goals.

Bottom 6% for goals

Bottom 6% for shots on target.

Bottom 8% for goals to shot ratio.

Bottom 15% for ball carries in final third.

Paul Ferry
360 Posted 22/08/2023 at 19:31:56
Thanks Rob, agree about Danjuma but it's hard to judge individual players on such a poor day all round.

So, one fella on here reckons that there were 'many' booing DCL, my mates at the match said it was a tiny number and even then they were not sure that they were actually booing DCL. What did you hear?

Mike Doyle
361 Posted 22/08/2023 at 19:36:51
Barry #358] the club has previous form for long drawn out pursuits that result in big over payments - the summers spent chasing Siggy before overpaying for him and that chasing Zaha before failing to get him and overpaying for Iwobi on deadline day spring to mind.

Thelwell seems to have adopted this template- leaving Brighton & Brentford to snap up the gems.

The other thing that surprises me about Adams is that, like Maupay, he doesn’t like a Dyche type of forward. Then again perhaps Bill & Kev are making the transfer decisions without asking him?

Barry Hesketh
362 Posted 22/08/2023 at 19:41:55
Mike @361

I agree, but you would have thought, with far more limitations on our spending power, than at most previous occasions. that protracted negotiations, would be off the table. Unless of course, Old Blue Bill, is trying to pull the wool over the supporters eyes – again!

Perhaps, that's the only reason that Moshiri kept the chairman in his job?

Ray Robinson
363 Posted 22/08/2023 at 19:42:21
The danger with pulling out of the deal for Gnonto (who will undoubtedly improve us offensively) in order to conserve money for a decent striker, is that is there actually a £25m - £30m striker out there who would be willing to join us?

I'd rather have Adams and Gnonto than chase a decent striker only to fail to land him by deadline day.

Rob Halligan
364 Posted 22/08/2023 at 19:57:13
Paul, I heard a tiny bit of booing, which seemed to come from behind me. We were in the upper tier, second row from the front. Can't have been no more a handful booing, certainly not “Many”.

Before the half time whistle blew, we were hearing via texts that Calvert-Lewin had possibly fractured his cheekbone.

Mike Doyle
365 Posted 22/08/2023 at 20:01:46
Barry @362.

You may be right, and given that we are operating with a first team minus Mina and McNeil, even at this early stage, it's proving hard to be optimistic.

Pete Neilson
366 Posted 22/08/2023 at 20:01:59
Paul (360), from where I was in the ground I agree with your mates. It was a tiny number and the whole thing is blown out of all proportion. What's new?

Very rare, in my experience, to go to an away game and not end up talking with fellow supporters who are knowledgeable about the game and supportive of the team. Some of the comments since Sunday suggesting that our away support is made up of a bunch of drug-taking Neanderthals is contemptible. Although maybe drugs would help in enduring the crap we've been watching for years.

As Lou Reed sang, don't believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

Paul Ferry
367 Posted 22/08/2023 at 20:17:33
Thanks for that Rob. It's what my mates said too. Yet there are some on here who won't have that and say it was a large section of the support and it was 'despicable' (they were not there) and – yep, some said it – we are the worst fans in the Premier League for this and other things, including, by the way, giving the board 'abuse'.

Why do more than a few on here want to paint us in the worst colours possible and seem to want to outdo each other? Oh, FYI, Ian Edwards is now the self-appointed moral guardian and voice of ToffeeWeb, castigating us for racism and despicable inhumane treatment of the players etc.

Rob Halligan
368 Posted 22/08/2023 at 20:26:54
Well he's not my voice! Also, hasn't it been said that the online abuse directed towards Maupay was a Fulham supporter?

What's to say the abuse aimed at Onana was also not a fan of another club? I saw a name but nothing else, unless there has been further information released about this person?

Paul Ferry
369 Posted 22/08/2023 at 20:31:08
People just jump to the conclusions they want to Rob to tell their story. It's a bandwagon and rallying call for some on here. Anyway, let's hope Dyche has had his Sunday wake-up-call and changes what needs to be changed for the weekend and three points.
Neil Copeland
370 Posted 22/08/2023 at 20:43:25
Rob and Paul, I was in the upper tier on Sunday too and agree with Rob.

And yes, it was reported the abuse aimed at Maupay came from a Fulham supporter.

I posted on another thread that I think the boos came from a minority of supporters and were borne from a mix of; frustration, misunderstanding of the actual injury and anger at the club management for failing to get a replacement in for DCL yet.

Also, people ignore the fact that Maupay received a good reception from the fans when he came on as sub.

The applause and chanting of ‘Michael Jones he’s one of our own’ seems to have had no mention either (credit to the Villa supporters for standing and applauding too).

Yes, sometimes supporters say and do some really thick and thoughtless things but they are very much in the minority.

Barry Hesketh
371 Posted 22/08/2023 at 21:00:45
The problem is that all forums and sites are subject to the possibility of having agents provocateurs among its membership, who those persons might be and on who's behalf they may be acting, is anybody's guess.

A few years ago, I would have reported, without any hesitation, the sad demise of Andy Rankin, but because the news broke, late last night, on a GOT forum, and I couldn't get confirmation of the news anywhere else, I had to be wary that it may have been some sort of misinformation.

Unfortunately that piece of news turned out to be the truth, but it's a very strange world we now occupy, where we have to be so wary of everything that is written or said, and why it is has been written or said, that it's becoming ever more difficult to accept anything at face value, whether it be good or bad news.

Paul Ferry
372 Posted 22/08/2023 at 21:18:06
Thanks Neil, I think I'll trust you, Rob, and my mates who were there and go everywhere (you probably know them by face at least!).

No one who 'condemned' the booing, Neil, thought fit to mention the reception for Maupay which. spoke volumes to me about our away fans. Yes, as you know, there are gobshites among them, but there are not too many of them.

I remember looking on gobsmacked at Villa (again), I think it was not long after Moyes left, there were a handful of gormless looking dickheads proud with themselves singing that Moyes was a peadophile to the tune of 'Cum on, feel the noize'. Astonishing, worrying, embarrassing.

Spot on Barry, some posters make you wonder, but as you say that is the nature of the beast.

Laurie Hartley
373 Posted 23/08/2023 at 05:04:11
Nine days till the window closes and with each passing day our search for a striker becomes more desperate – a perfect scenario for selling clubs and player agents.

Dyche has said that there are several “conversations” going on. I don't find that cause for optimism.

Have a look at the Adams stats Ian Bennet posted at #359 – read them and weep.

We could have had Alfredo Morelos training with us at the beginning of this transfer window for zilch. Over a 6-year career, 175 goals in 354 appearances. He is still looking for a club – but he is not good enough for us is he?

Mick O'Malley
374 Posted 23/08/2023 at 14:03:52
I know it’s not going to happen but what a shot in the arm signing Rom on loan would give our beleaguered fan base, instead of the kick in the goolies if we sign Adams, Christine, good post, I wouldn’t want that creep Greenwood anywhere near our club, Regarding the RS getting MacAlister red card overturned, I hate them with a passion but It was never a red card, Some terrible decisions last weekend by officials especially the Penalty given for Brentford against Fulham which resulted in Tim Ream being sent off for a second yellow, ridiculous decision
Dan Nulty
375 Posted 23/08/2023 at 17:17:09
So the reason for the delay is we are refusing to pay £5M of the £15M up front.

Christ almighty, this is worse than I thought. We really don't have a pot to piss in.

Is our stadium ever going to get done or is it going to be forever unfinished? I hope we don't have to sell it to someone who can finish it and then we have to rent it from them.

Jim Wilson
376 Posted 23/08/2023 at 22:43:33
Can we please pay the money to sign Adams and get him in asap.

Adams is a decent player and has the one quality we desperately need. He is a hard worker. And right now he is in form.

Thelwell thinks he is being clever by holding out for a lower fee but he is actually an idiot. We need Adams for Saturday. A half decent striker instead of no one is well worth 15m for us right now.

We go for players who won't come but dither over players who will come. You couldn't make the idiocy up!

Barry Hesketh
377 Posted 23/08/2023 at 22:45:52
Jim @376
I think today's other news may have had more bearing on the delays in purchasing players, Thelwell might be waiting for approval from the board prior to making any decisions on buying players.
Jim Wilson
378 Posted 23/08/2023 at 23:06:49
Barry if true we should sell Onana asap. He is the one player we should have shipped out when the window opened. He is a liability.
Jim Wilson
379 Posted 23/08/2023 at 23:06:49
Barry if true we should sell Onana asap. He is the one player we should have shipped out when the window opened. He is a liability.
Ray Smith
380 Posted 24/08/2023 at 12:42:15
Nothing is going to change until deadline day, again!

We are being taken for fools, allegedly chasing £30m players when we can't afford to buy Adams let alone Gnonto! We will field a team with what we've got on Saturday, only please don't start Maupay!

Let's hope we get a fair hearing in October, but I think we will be clobbered to set an example to others! Point deduction, however small = Relegation and, god forbid, Administration and Liquidation.

Ray Smith
381 Posted 24/08/2023 at 15:14:14
Southampton now want £18m for Adam’s!
We are being taken for a ride again, first Leeds now Southampton.
Thelwell has had more than enough time to sign a striker in the last 3 windows, and his predecessor before him.
We are a class comedy act.
MSP have pulled out, why?
Was Usmanov the financial negotiator and Moshiri the front man, because he hasn’t done a great deal since Usmanov was sanctioned.
Our current situation on and off the field is thoroughly depressing!
Jay Harris
382 Posted 24/08/2023 at 15:33:44
It seems we have now moved on to Beto having hit an immovable wall in Southampton.

I have a question for the club. We were promised a goalscorer in January so why haven't we been identifying and lining up someone since then?

Jim Wilson
383 Posted 24/08/2023 at 15:43:29
We need Adams in. If it takes 18m get it paid and get deal done. At least we then have a chance of 3 pts on Saturday or the week after.
Ray Smith
384 Posted 24/08/2023 at 22:44:56
Total joke!
Ray Smith
385 Posted 25/08/2023 at 09:26:34
We’re now haggling over a £5m down payment.
Stinks of Kenwright again.
How can we go after £30m players, but can’t afford £5m!
The loonies truly are running the asylum!
Ray Smith
386 Posted 25/08/2023 at 10:53:43
Dave @386,

It's ironic, that we let Holgate go, and Adams deal falls through, sound familiar?

Not that it's any consolation, but he isn't going to Leeds!

Grigoris Teras
387 Posted 25/08/2023 at 12:24:09
Got to love our recruitment and extensive scouting network: we need a decent striker… let's recruit 5 goals a season average Che Adams. :/

Still, we have only been looking for 2 years….

Ray Smith
388 Posted 26/08/2023 at 12:11:38
Are we still in for Adams?

Without being a pessimist re signing Beto, Sunday medical booked, Monday he signs! Late Monday, Fulham highjack the deal! Sound familiar?

Why wait until Monday to sign him! If he has a medical on Sunday and passes, sign him Sunday!!! We never learn!

James Marshall
389 Posted 26/08/2023 at 12:25:19

We won't sign him on Monday, it's a bank holiday so no doubt that'll delay it till Tuesday at best!

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