Holgate completes loan move to Southampton

No mention of Ché Adams but maybe if Holgate joins them it's possible there maybe some definite move for him, maybe not!

I hope this isn't a sweetener for Ché Adams to come the other way, hopefully there's some traction in the Beto rumours.

He earns more in a month than a top brain surgeon does in a year. Fucking ludicrous state of affairs.

Probably still paying £20,000 a week to subsidise this move!
Clubs know we are up shit creek without a paddle, even Southampton are taking the piss out of us now.

I think Holgate still has another year left on his contract when he comes back next summer. I wonder who gave these contracts out, it couldn't have been the street wise, football knowledgeable expert Kenwright surely!

Next thing is our negotiator extraordinaire is offering a 5-year £70k/week contract out. Agent laughs his cock off.

Moshiri could spend if he wanted to, he is choosing not to. The Rusky must have told him 'not one penny more'. That would explain why we've gone back to Philip Green.

Is it beyond the wit of our Director of Football to use Holgate as leverage for Sulemana?

That in a nut shell shows our negotiating skills. What a fucking chairman!!!!!!

I also wonder what is happening to Gbamin, who should have had his contract torn up after saying he would never play for Everton again, and Gomes, who is a drain on our budget.

People are criticising Onana but the lad probably doesnt know whether he is coming or going with all the rumours doing the rounds and the club not making clear to him he is part of our plans for the future.

No? Thought not!

Southampton: "No but lend us Holgate and pay half his wages."

Bill: "Sounds like a fair compromise."

He has been at the club for years and never really nailed a place down.

When does his deal run out?

Even if he is the best player in the Championship, Southampton would never sign him on those wages. I suppose we are saving a couple of million just by letting him go on loan.

No wonder we are in such a mess.

£70k a week, unbelievable.

Why could we not have done some type of swap deal with Sulemana coming our way for Holgate. In fact, maybe a better bet than Gnonto.

But yeah Saints aren't doing us any favours with Adams. I think he is pretty solid, but wish we could do better. Expect it to go into Fergie time.

Kenwright's been outstanding at spending other's money and for too long signings have demanded a premium to join the madhouse.

Seems it's a time for reckoning now…

I don't think Gray is being frozen out, he's on the shelf until his transfer gets sorted. Can't risk him getting injured and scuppering any deal.

This from an accountant.

Usmanov looks at his nephew with raised eyebrows.

You had one job lad and you got caught with your pants down!

What a fucking mess this club is.

Mason Holgate sums us up.

I'm not one for ridiculing ordinary lads who work hard and make good. Live the dream on behalf of all of us. But, by fuck, that's a jaw-dropper.

Seriously? No wonder he's a smug fucker.

That's stretching it.

1) How many swap deals do we ever actually see?

2) How many other clubs were fighting for us to give him to them?

Last one to defend the club, but realism is realism.

I wouldn't boo him, personally but he is a poor footballer on £70k a week with not an ounce of intelligence on the field. He doesn't deserve to be lauded. Nowhere near good enough but symptomatic of our decline. He should have gone about 4 seasons ago.

Holgate was signed in 2015 and Keane in 2017. Neither in my opinion had done anything to justify those wage rises. Was Kenwright buying loyalty or is my perception wrong? I queried these deals at the time and still can't get my head around those salaries or the offer of 5-year contracts.

Info from Transfer Market.

I think he will shine at Southampton and go on to back up his demeanour with graft. Good luck to him, we nearly had a real good one.

As for wages, mentioned endlessly on here, who cares? We don't control that. Read the live forum, some comments on here and at the ground during matches – some fans hate him.

I hope he does well at Southampton.

I don't really get the IQ football intelligence thing that keeps coming up. Because he got unluckily sent off a couple of times?

It's depressing to see another player fail after so much input from the club. We are currently destroyers of young talent. No wonder some of them get out while still teenagers.

I read that Fulham might be interested in Moise Kean. Now that would be interesting and possibly painful to watch.

However, like those others, the more exposure he got, the more the flaws in his game became apparent, and this was exacerbated by the fact crapper players came into the team around him.

I remember Holgate coming on as a sub and being subbed by Frank because one of ours got red carded. His smug expression as he came off the field put me off him after that.

Other than that, he's just a bang-average, overpaid player of which we have plenty.

He is a bang average player who is vastly overpaid. He is an arrogant, ignorant braindead footballer and they are his good points.

He will remain bang average at Southampton and this deal is a belter as far as I'm concerned. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Too much change at the club and the laissez-faire attitude at the club that has led to too many players failing. I wish him luck.

Beto looks like he's on his way in. Maybe we can get Gnonto over the line and a central defender, loan or otherwise.

Holgate is a good to average Premier League defender. The problem is we have many of them. Without a Distin, Jagielka, Gough, Watson to guide them, they repeat the same pattern. Mina, who was flawed and injury-prone, was by far our best defender.

Holgate has several better attributes than Keane, but both similar in many ways. Mistakes, slow to react, can pass a ball but often gets targeted and bullied by opposition forwards.

In Dyche, we have a manager who knows and believes Keane is better or at least a more trustworthy player to play to instruction.

No wonder Southampton won't pay his wages. Is teary Bill on a % for all these lunatic deals he signed off?

Another great example of "Addition via Subtraction".

His concentration lapses have been a consistent feature of his play when selected. Good luck to him at Southampton.

Delay the purchase a year, agree an additional £5 to £10M and get the players in we need to improve the first team now.

I don't want to spend £15M on a young squad player unless we already have a good, reliable team. We don't!

As back-up, get a few Man City and Chelsea 16-year-old rejects into our youth system. From the evidenced of the last 5 years, they are better than many of our own youngsters.

As for wages, good basic salary £30k to £80k but fantastic bonuses based on team performance, games played etc that allow then to realistically double their salary should we finish Top 8 or win silverware for example.

Therefore, Holgate should be on about £40k but based on team and individual performance get s£45k (I'm being kind).

I know current players may reject the above salary approach. But start with younger players and incorporate it for all new players.

How about Lukaku. Basic £80k. 25 goals, 40 games and 15 assists upto £100k? Win a trophy £50k, top 6 £50k. His 'top tier' pay level would be for one of maybe 3 or 4 players but could easily earn £180k plus.

If injured or rubbish, he doesn't play and we minimise the bonuses.

£72,000 a week for a Championship defender? Everton, that.

This is the most accurate metaphor of what Everton is the last 7 years.

Football is dodgy – that's the only logical reason I can put to some of the very strange contracts given.

He'd have sat on the bench all season costing about £3.5M. Now he's gone and will presumably cost us about £2M instead. So all in all we're ‘up'.

He'll then be back next summer and, with any luck, Southampton will come up and sign him. Otherwise… rinse and repeat.

Reading earlier comments about Gbamin and his agent saying he won't play for Everton again – is he training at Finch Farm, injured or in breach of his contract?

Hopefully we will see the departure of Alli, Gbamin and Gomes in the next week also (loan or nominal fee / free) in order to reduce the wage bill. Alli's is a complex case however and his injury might mean he's still on our books until January.

Another player the club will get zero return on when he leaves on a free at the end of his contract. Can't believe how piss poor this club is run. He shouldn't have even been offered a new contract. The lad is nowhere near the footballer he thinks he is.

At least the good news is he looks like he is finished at Everton which has got to be a positive in my eyes. Only around another 10 to go.

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Very sad for our once great club.

I can't make this out and I've posted about it before. Surely to God, in any sphere of life, if you tell your employer that you won't do your job, then you can't expect to be paid?

Then again, this is Everton so we'll probably give him another 2 years to sit on his fat arse in Paris.

Unbelievable

Holgate, signed on loan from Everton over a week ago to offer defensive competition, was substituted after 64 minutes at Stadium of Light.

The 26 year old's loss of possession outside the box and miskick inside the area on a Sunderland cross accounted for two of the five goals.

Some things never change...