U21s trialist ends up at Peterborough Utd

04/09/2023 27comments  |  Jump to last

Malik Mothersille, the former Chelsea player who spent a few weeks on trial for the U21s recently, has joined Peterborough United of League One.

Everton Under-21s ran the rule over the young striker last month following his decision to turn down a new contract at Chelsea at the end of last season. The 19-year-old made three substitute appearances for Paul Tait's side against U21 teams from Liverpool, Middlesbrough and Brighton in Premier League 2.

The teenager scored a double for Chelsea U21s against Peterborough in the EFL Trophy last season and has penned a long-term deal.

 

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Ian Jones
1 Posted 05/09/2023 at 06:32:41
Don't know too much about this guy buy from what I have read, seems a promising player with a bright future.

Seems he is one of a growing number who prefer to be playing in matches rather than sitting on someone's bench.

Will be interesting to see how gets on.

Jim Bennings
2 Posted 05/09/2023 at 07:47:41
So we ran the rule over one of the more promising players at that level yet we allow him out of the door?

I don't understand that dynamic of the deal but that's Everton all over, lol.

Ian Jones
3 Posted 05/09/2023 at 08:03:32
Jim, I guess we'll never know how keen he was to join us or if any firm contract offer was ever in place, or whether there is something about him that doesn't add up so a firm offer wasn't on the table – think I've covered most bases there!

He might go on to be the next big thing or he might not.

I read that he left Chelsea as he wanted to be playing and couldn't see a way in to the first team. The way we operate, I imagine he might not have seen one with us either so prefers to be playing regularly.

Don Wright
4 Posted 05/09/2023 at 08:20:51
Didn't we run the rule over some other youngster a while back Haaland something or other I believe he was shite as well
Michael Kenrick
5 Posted 05/09/2023 at 08:25:15
On your point there, Ian,

It would have been completely rational and understandable to hear Dyche confirm that he is keen to give academy players the opportunity to experience a first-team matchday squad as he knows it will support their development. To hear hiim say that, at Bramall Lane on Saturday, he was happy to give two Under-21s a unique chance to join the first-team squad on the subs bench for the positive contribution to their development.

But no, nothing demonstrates with more clarity the absence of a pathway for U21s to get into the first-team squad, even though the pathway is blindingly obvious, than the nonsense bench at the weekend and the subsequent Dyschespeak justification for not putting a couple of U21s on the bench at Bramhall Lane:

Dyche has insisted he is keen to give academy players the opportunity to experience a first-team matchday squad when possible, believing it will support their development. But he explained that, at Bramall Lane on Saturday, he was reluctant to do this because the reliance upon the Under-21s to fulfil first-team squad and training duties was having an impact on their own development.

I should coco! Of course it would have an impact on their development. It's your job to make sure that impact is a positive and career-building one, your utter numpty!!!

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
6 Posted 05/09/2023 at 08:44:11
The kid left Chelsea for wanting to play. Coming here behind DCL, Beto, Chermiti and Danjuma he could see he was going to get the odd game with the U21s.

Somehow they seem to play a lot fewer games than the 1st XI.

So a choice of playing every week in League 1 or once every couple of weeks in our U21s. When you left Chelsea U21s because of playing time, it was a no-brain decision not to come here.

Andy Crooks
7 Posted 05/09/2023 at 08:54:58
The bench selected by Dyche on Saturday was indefensible, trying to justify it is ludicrous. Dyche will have enough problems to deal with about which he can do little. It is beyond me why he needlessly brings criticism on himself. A pointless tick in the negative column.
Michael Boardman
8 Posted 05/09/2023 at 09:20:31
It seems every manager does this (2 keepers on a non-full bench) to prove a point.

You took the job, now get on with it - it's almost like they are looking for the pay-off from this unmanageable, Premier League, job.

Ian Jones
9 Posted 05/09/2023 at 10:41:37
Someone somewhere on another thread actually provided a good point for having 2 goalkeepers on the bench which I had not thought about.

If one goalie gets sent off, one goalie sub replaces him. Then if that sub goalie gets injured, 2nd sub goalie replaces that one.

Whilst the above scenario is unlikely, it's entirely possible.

With another 7 spaces available, having 2 goalies does make sense. However, not having the full complement of 9 subs is a bit annoying.

I don't personally agree with there being 5 subs allowed in a match but that's a different story.

On another note, being based down in the London area I was keen to see when we play our Fulham and Chelsea away U21 Premier League 2 matches. I've seen a couple of Fulham vs Everton U21s when Stones played right back. Also saw Grealish playing for Villa U21s a few years back. He looked quality. Not sure what happened to him :)

Couldn't see the fixtures so have just looked up the rules for the new Premier League 2 competition. Seems the rules have changed. The 2 previous leagues are now one League of 26, teams are placed in pots based on previous 3 years performances. Teams play 20 games so don't play all teams. Top 16 then play a knockout competition

For those that have the patience to read through the full details, here's the Link

Ben King
10 Posted 05/09/2023 at 10:53:08
Think Dyche not filling the bench was a point to the board/hierarchy/owners….and a point that we should all be supporting:

The squad is woefully thin. It's appalling.

There's no proper keeper if Pickford gets injured or sent off (Virginia?!?!)

Keane and Godfrey are both appalling but they're our back-up to Tarkowski and the inexperienced Brandthwaite

Left back: Young doesn't impress me and we all have misgivings about Mykolenko

Wing: against Sheffield Utd we had to play a centre midfielder at right wing. People talk about when players are back from injury…..as if other players won't get injured in that time!!! It's a stupid thing to say: we'll ALWAYS have injuries/loss of form/suspensions.

So we've played numerous Premier League games already this season without experienced wingers (Dobbin has promise but he's not ready to impact games at this level)

And behind Beto we have Chermiti (another inexperienced striker). Yes obviously we have Calvert-Lewin but, until he can prove he can play a run of 8 consecutive Premier League matches, please don't kid yourself that he fulfils squad depth

But some on here STILL want to kick Dyche??!?!?

Listen, he may not be brilliant or everyone's cup of tea BUT he kept us up with a crap squad last season and deserves a chance this season. This international break gives him a chance to work with the squad he has at least until January so a chance to bed in patterns of play etc.

Give him a chance.

Michael Kenrick
11 Posted 05/09/2023 at 12:53:14
Ian,

Not sure I buy the explanation for 2 sub keepers… With that irresistible logic, why stop at 2? I mean, what if the second sub then gets concussion and has to go off? You didn't think of that, did you? And then he might also need to be subbed.

After all, with a 9-man bench and a maximum of 5 outfield substitutions, then the other 4 should all be goalkeepers.

As those old and dead Italians might say, reductio ad absurdum.

Andy Crooks
12 Posted 05/09/2023 at 13:21:41
Ben, supporting Dyche doesn't mean thinking he can do no wrong. In my view his bench on Saturday demonstrated nothing but bad judgement.
Michael Kenrick
13 Posted 05/09/2023 at 13:38:20
Ben,

The squad is woefully thin. It's appalling.

If you'd said "The squad is woefully poor. It's appalling" I'd have no argument. But in terms of raw numbers, we are allowed to name and use only 25 players in the first-team squad (plus unlimited U21s – another excellent reason to put them on the bench whenever possible!).

If you count up who we've got currently, we are at 25 before you add in Dobbin and Onyango, so I'm really not sure what scope there is to thicken up the squad – unless you continue to replace the deadwood with better players. But that opportunity has largely come and gone.


Dale Self
14 Posted 05/09/2023 at 13:43:16
I’m not really interested but curious about the list of omissions. Dele, Gomes, Gray ok. Who else did Dyche offend by not filling out the bench?

The U21s had a game just previous to ours so not them.

Kieran Kinsella
15 Posted 05/09/2023 at 13:55:56
We pretty much gutted the u21 this summer releasing older players and shipping out the better ones on loan. Was that wise? Granted Warrington and Mills may not play a lot but if we had a handful of injuries surely they’d be better options than some of the 17/18 year olds left behind?
Phill Thompson
16 Posted 05/09/2023 at 14:16:06
Michael #5 and other comments on Dyche's approach. For me it makes sense, our most likely youngsters have either been sold, are on loan or are around the first team, Dobbin and Onyango.

The gap between the Premier League and the next group down is considerable, Hunt, Okoronkwo, Kouyate, Metcalfe are the current most likely contenders. Okoronkwo in particular needs the game time at U21 to show he is developing not sitting on the bench knowing it's a slim chance he gets on.

We didn't have a full bench at U21 last weekend either, and their performances are poor. We really are in need of improvement throughout all levels of the Club. Blaming Dyche for making what I would say are rational decisions for me is wrong. Until we have a proper owner and Chairman, we'll continue to struggle.

Phill Thompson
17 Posted 05/09/2023 at 14:26:02
Kieran#15. I think part of the thinking was that the u21PL2 league has been revamped without any relegation, in the belief this will allow clubs to play younger players who will then come through quicker, rather than holding onto older players just to do well in the League.

Our problem is we don’t have a lot of quality at u18, maybe 4 or 5 capable of playing u21 and the current first year Scholars are not standing out yet.

Michael Kenrick
18 Posted 05/09/2023 at 15:10:38
Phill,

What do you make of this list:

Sean McAllister
Kyle John
Charlie Whitaker
Mathew Mallon
Eli Campbell
Ed Jones
Jack Tierney

That's seven young players who were all doing pretty well for the U21s last season.

Seven young players who haven't gone out on loan.

Seven players still listed in our U21s squad.

Seven players who between them have made not one single appearance in any of the four U21s games so far this season.

The only explanation can be that they are all out injured. Hopefully this is not the effect of the Dycheball bleep test percolating down through the ranks and crippling players on the way???

Ian Jones
19 Posted 05/09/2023 at 15:30:03
Michael, I won't lose too much sleep over you not buying the explanation. You obviously have thought it through a bit more than probably necessary - according to your math or maths, why stop at 4 goalies, let's keep going to 5 or more. :)

Sorry, wasn't familiar with reductio ad absurdum. I had to look it up, understand it now - I thought it might have been an Italian goalkeeper!

Phill Thompson
20 Posted 05/09/2023 at 15:57:18
Michael,

Yes, as far as I’ve seen and heard all are injured, you would get an experienced u21 back four out of that. But apart from Whitaker and maybe Tierney I don’t think we’ll see much progress from them - or as we now categorise our youngsters “ be able to get a decent fee when we sell them”.

You’re harsh on Sean ! I quite like the “ bleep test” idea when it’s used effectively: “ Right Gbamin, we can agree to tear up your contract costing us nothing, or you can hang around and we’ll give you a bleep test every week to monitor your fitness.”😉

Alan J Thompson
21 Posted 05/09/2023 at 16:52:09
I agree with Michael(#5) that giving a couple of youngsters a place on the first team bench rather than leaving a few seats empty at least let's them mix with the first team and experience a crowd bigger and noisier than anything they've played under before and after which the Manager might ask them for their thoughts on the experience.

Whatever or whoever, I don't see leaving the bench short while players are available as doing much for team/club unity, unless of course you expect some unfit rabble rouser to give a speech of unrest to the rest of the bench as the game goes on.

Ian Bennett
22 Posted 05/09/2023 at 17:01:15
The subs thing is poor. The club shouldn't be in the position of having two subs not used and two keepers. That's just illustrates the mismanagement over the years.

Dyche is clearly making a thing of it, and will be able to trot out that he was managing against the odds - just look at the bench. That's all for him.

Not selecting kids is telling the academy, that despite the crises, none of you are remotely good enough, so don't bother. That's disheartening for the academy, and actually impacts the future sales value of the players. Surely if we are looking to sell these kids on, their value will be impacted by Premier league starts, and match day involvement?

And just maybe, kids surprise you. I don't believe for one second that a kid hasn't played better in the first team than was expected, the same as the star graduates that choke on the big stage. That's just life.

Robert Tressell
23 Posted 05/09/2023 at 17:08:47
There might be a sense that youngsters need to earn their place on the bench, rather than be handed it to make up numbers.

We could, for example, have put the likes of Kouyate, Whitaker and McAllister on the bench against Sheff Utd but they wouldn't have got any minutes - and maybe they are being encouraged to work harder for the honour. I can see the sense in that.

The lack of quality cover on the bench isn't Dyche's doing in any case. We've sold the two best players in the academy Samuels-Smith (Chelsea) and Lawrence (City) in consecutive summers and some of the better prospects are on loan (Warrington, Mills and Welch).

Onyango, Dobbin and possibly Metcalfe are our brightest hopes and the former two already appear to be part of the first team squad. Hopefully Metcalfe will join them once he's properly recovered from injury.

Si Cooper
24 Posted 05/09/2023 at 17:55:37
Sorry MK, but having only 5 outfield players on the bench because you can only use 5 isn’t logical because it takes away the option of choosing which 5 you use from a larger number, or needing, say, 4 defensive subs because 4 different defenders get injured.
The argument against not having a full complement of subs on the bench is more compelling, but given that those select few U21s will also have to train with their U21 peers to be a competitive U21 side it is possible that, with a roster as pared down as ours is, you would be asking too much of some of the youngsters if they also had to train with first team / do bench duty.
Ian Jones
25 Posted 05/09/2023 at 18:28:00
Si, I think Michael Kenrick's was being slightly facetious in response to my comment about having 2 goalies on the subs bench!
John Raftery
26 Posted 06/09/2023 at 18:25:15
I assumed the reason there were no Under-21s on the bench for a match at 12:30 on Saturday was because the Under-21s had played at West Ham at 7:00 pm the evening before.

They would have arrived home in the early hours of Saturday morning, around 3:00 am if they were lucky. There was no sense in then asking a couple of them to drag themselves over to Sheffield merely to sit on the bench.

Tony Abrahams
27 Posted 06/09/2023 at 18:32:39
Ah come on, John, if some of those players would have gone straight to our team hotel in Sheffield, instead of going back to Liverpool, they would have been in bed for about 1:30 am, and they wouldn't have had to be woken up until about 9 am for breakfast!!!

Ask most ex-players what they would do differently if they had the chance to relive their careers, and my guess is that at least 80% of them would say that they would get fitter…


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