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Everton have successfully appealed the controversial red card shown to Dominic Calvert-Lewin during last week's FA Cup Third Round tie against Crystal Palace.

The striker was sent off by referee Chris Kavanagh for an innocuous tackle on Nathaniel Clyne 11 minutes from the end of the goalless draw even though the official didn't even signal for a foul during play.

Kavanagh was advised by VAR Craig Pawson to review the incident on the pitch-side monitor, at which point he decided that the challenge constituted serious foul play, a decision that sparked outrage in the Everton ranks and disbelief among pundits and commentators alike.

The club lodged their appeal with the Football Association and common sense has prevailed with Calvert-Lewin's dismissal – and the consequent three-game ban – expunged.

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He will now be available for Sunday's Premier League clash with Aston Villa, as well as the cup replay against Palace a week tomorrow and either a Fourth Round tie against Luton or Bolron or the trip to Fulham in the League on 30 January.

 

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Brian Williams
1 Posted 09/01/2024 at 16:23:09
Woohoo!!!Red card overturned.

Now what does that say about the VAR? How embarrassing to have to admit the ref got it right in real time while those VAR fuckers pored over it and basically fucked up!

They knew they'd fucked up royally by the strength of support from all angles, TV, pundits, media etc.

Paul Hughes
2 Posted 09/01/2024 at 16:24:00
Red card overturned. Wonders will never cease.
Mal van Schaick
3 Posted 09/01/2024 at 16:25:33
VAR official and Referee should be suspended or demoted.
Jeff Spiers
4 Posted 09/01/2024 at 16:27:32
Calvert-Lewin has the red card overturned!
Brent Stephens
5 Posted 09/01/2024 at 16:27:40
And we were told it wouldn't be overturned. Must mean we're a big club, as Shane suggests.
Peter Quinn
6 Posted 09/01/2024 at 16:29:24
Good news.

No action will be taken against the VAR officials but this, and other instances, should provoke a review of the intervention of the VAR on subjective decisions, to avoid games being re-refereed.

Sean Dyche has made this point repeatedly!

Dave Abrahams
7 Posted 09/01/2024 at 16:35:43
All's well that ends well.

Let’s hope it is just the start of good news coming our way.

Kim Vivian
8 Posted 09/01/2024 at 16:43:18
Just as well we didn't lose. The shit would really be flying if we had…
Mike Hayes
9 Posted 09/01/2024 at 16:48:19
Great it's been overturned. About time we had some good news.

Let's just hope we get better decisions off the coming games and we can get back to winning ways. 💙

Neville Wellings
10 Posted 09/01/2024 at 16:48:55
Great news!!!

One down, one to go!

Fred Charters
12 Posted 09/01/2024 at 16:56:19
Great news!

Calvert-Lewin’s red card cancelled!!

Sanity prevails.

Tony Everan
13 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:17:00
I can't bring myself to say this is good news, even though it is, as it does feel like there should be a celebration, more like justice has been done.

Virtually nobody in the football world agreed with Pawson and Kavanagh. What a huge embarrassment. However, they'll probably get their own back by hook or by crook, so we may not be totally in the clear.

Andy Crooks
14 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:23:06
What sanction will Pawson face for his ineptitude or corruption?
Tim Welsh
15 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:32:20
Totally agree, Tony.

The club should now make a written prediction of what
is likely to happen the next time either Kavanagh or Pawson officiates at an Everton game. Put it into a safe under the supervision of an independent third party and reveal the contents once the inevitable vindictive refereeing unfolds.

And when are journalists going to start joining the dots on what is happening in the game? Or are they all wide-eyed ingénus star-struck by the latest signing for the RS?

Andy Riley
16 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:33:28
Hopefully Pawson is banned for life.

Kavanagh to have surgery to insert a backbone and then start rehabilitation in the Sunday League?

Andrew Keatley
17 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:35:40
Exactly what needed to happen. But it still begs the question as to the criteria for how the VAR intervenes on "clear and obvious" errors. They are consistently making poor decisions and interfering in areas that are beyond their jurisdiction.

I take this as recognition from PGMOL that the current system is falling way short.

Kunal Desai
18 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:39:20
Not a peep from the head of the PGMOL that shithouse bent fucker Webb. Asslicker of Masters no doubt.
Karl Masters
19 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:40:24
There can be no excuses by the two referees in view of the fact they had 3 minutes of buggering around during which they found both could have agreed they had nothing to look at.

The fact they didn't suggests they are either not up to the job or are biased or corrupt enough to be determined to give a red anyway.

Whatever the reason, this should not be the end of the matter.

Barry Rathbone
20 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:41:31
Must be a conspiracy isn't anything to do with governing bodies and Everton a conspiracy?

Dave Abrahams
21 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:42:45
Pawson was one of the two VARs in Stockley Park for the Crystal Palace v Everton game, Michael Salisbury was the other one and according to the appeal findings, he was the one who made the initial call for Kavanagh to review the incident.

Salisbury is one of the newish referees to Premier League games, I know this was a cup game, but why was he the lead VAR?

Mind you, with Pawson being the other comic in the room, I suppose it makes sense.

David Bromwell
22 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:46:57
Obviously good news for all, but I am particularly pleased for Calvert-Lewin, who is clearly not having the run of the ball at the moment.

I do hope he now plays on Sunday, and we find a way of giving him a little more support. He cannot be criticised for effort and he must be due some better luck.

Rob Dolby
23 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:48:56
I would love to hear PGMOL explain the various penalties given out recently to the big boys and explain the handball rule.
Brendan McLaughlin
24 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:54:54
Andrew,

The VAR will only overrule the referee in circumstances where he has made a clear and obvious error.

The VAR will look at incidents, even when clear and obvious errors aren't involved, but the ref will have the final say.

Dale Self
25 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:57:17
Womp, womp!
Brian Denton
26 Posted 09/01/2024 at 17:58:51
Barry Rathbone: just because we're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get us!
Will Mabon
27 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:02:06
Guess that's the 10-point deduction staying then.
Neil Lawson
28 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:02:19
Where is the explanation for their decision and the findings of fact they must have made. This is crucial in the decision making. It is not sufficient to just announce that the card has been rescinded.

As others have said in various ways, what sanctions are to be applied to the 2 imbeciles who made the decision?

Paul Kossoff
29 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:09:38
The Premier League and PGMOL have decided to commit to frequently releasing in-game audio between on-field officials and the VARs throughout the 2023-24 season. So can Everton request the audio from the Palace cup game?

It would be very interesting to hear who suggested Calvert-Lewin's red card. Rangers got the audio from the Celtic cup game recently, and it showed that the referee's reason for not giving a penalty to Rangers was because he was told of an offside in the build-up, turns out no such advice was given.

John Keating
30 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:13:39
The overturn is not really the question.

The question is how the fuck did a bunch of so-called professionals come up with such a ridiculous decision after watching it for ages?

Similarly, what decision is going to be made of such incompetence???

Bill Gall
31 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:20:55
They must have viewed the incident to overturn it, so how come we now have other officials overturning other officials?They both have the same opportunities to slow the action down, look at it from different angles, and yet, after reviewing it over and over again, they are saying the only official that was right was the referee on the pitch.

Isn't it about time, instead of reviewing a referee's decision, it is time they reviewed the abilities of the VARs, as it seems quite a number of decisions they make are more contentious than correct.

Will Mabon
32 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:21:50
John,

I agree. It would have to be either total incompetence or corruption, no "mistake" made. The incident wasn't even close to being hard to read or assess.

I notice the BBC have not included a comments option in their report. The wider response might've been interesting.

Tom Bowers
33 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:23:15
Yet another foul-up by well-paid officials who just don't seem to be able to decipher what is a foul and what isn't – even with all the hi-tech equipment they have today.

That referee should be struck off. Imagine a surgeon
misreading an X-ray and amputating your leg instead of your arm.

At least we got something back from the FA, so now we just need some points back.

Dave Older
34 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:26:13
I was at the game and my gast was flabbered when I saw the tackle was going to be reviewed by the VAR. It looked fine to me at the time and here we are today with the call reversed.

Imagine if we had lost the game in the last 10 minutes because of their incompetence??? The VAR is killing the game. UTFT

Brian Wilkinson
35 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:27:24
Expect the takeover to drag through now until after the window has closed, more worryingly the 10-point deduction also going our way is now slimmer, even though it is an independent appeal.

Absolutely the right call to overturn the red card, shocking decision in the first place, but they will not like being proved wrong again; after the Rodri handball apology, I am fearing something in the coming weeks to put us back in our place.

Bill Gall, have a look at the photo of the tackle on the BBC website they have put on today, a totally different angle of his foot going past the side of the player, whereas the VAR froze it looking like Calvert-Lewin caught him full-on.

Christy Ring
36 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:28:00
So can Pawson, who should have been stood down for the next game for not sending off Konate, Salisbury and the spineless Kavanagh, not be involved in any more of our games this season, for the simple reason: bias!
Frank Sheppard
37 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:31:03
I am actually surprised they were sensible and admitted their ridiculous decision.
Anton Walsh
38 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:35:36
Hope someone can help the player who got tackled. It must've been awful believing you were in severe pain and PTSD of realization that your career may have been ended.

Maybe some therapy or hypnosis to assure him nothing happened.

Christine Foster
39 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:42:50
There are many who breathed a sigh of relief and are thankful for the rescinded card. I'm not. It should never have been awarded and rescinding it only confirms the bias or incompetence of certain officials.

It has consequences – or at least it should have, but consider this: if this tackle happened in our own penalty area, the player is sent off, a penalty awarded, the team loses, the manager is sacked, the cost to the club is millions... PSR is then breached, points deductions, relegation ensues… the dominoes fall.

Of course it didn't happen, but if it had, the result would stand, the damage done, the loss of finance directly attributed, the fortunes of players, managers and clubs are at risk.

This is why there has to be change; to continue is either incompetence or corruption, there is no third option.

Liam Mogan
40 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:53:30
Correct decision but even more proof that there is an anti-Everton agenda and that Pawson is a corrupt coward and big 6 puppet. Only reason it's been overturned is because every man and his dog in the media found it laughable.

Difficult to not be cynical and think this is merely a bone thrown in lieu of not getting any points back.

Brian Williams
41 Posted 09/01/2024 at 18:56:31
So you'd rather it hadn't been rescinded, Christine?

All those things "might" have happened, but they didn't.

There's certainly no questioning your Everton credentials, as seeing only the negative in a positive outcome is what being an Evertonian is all about (to some).

Zack Boyd
42 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:05:25
Easy decision to rescind this as now we Evertonians now have less grounds to say that we never get any decisions.
Christine Foster
43 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:11:14
Brian,

If you could see further than the end of your nose, then you would have understood that my comment was not in relief at the decision being overturned but in anger that it was actually made in the first place!

This "negative" Evertonian is fed up being continually having to be thankful. So go and stick your sarcastic comments where the sun don't shine! [From one Evertonian to another…]

Mark Ryan
44 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:15:26
I'm glad there is finally proof that there is no conspiracy against us. I was beginning to feel it was always just us, lol!!

Happy days… Now give us our 10 points back!

Andrew Keatley
45 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:22:39
Brendan (12),

As far as I am aware, VAR intervention is based on the identification of a clear and obvious error. Howard Webb spoke about it in November, after the penalty given for Hwang's “foul” on Schar, when Webb was trying to raise the bar for VAR intervention, claiming that the VAR got that one wrong for not intervening.

Obviously the final decision rests with the referee, but if the VAR is only supposed to intervene when a “clear and obvious error” has been made, then it would suggest to the referee that they have made a howler even before they go the monitor.

The whole thing requires significant overhaul and everyone knows it.

Brian Wilkinson
46 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:23:19
Too many Brians in here, Christine. I know you were replying to the other Brian W, :-)
Christine Foster
47 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:28:01
Sorry, Brian, lol!
Andy Meighan
48 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:29:03
Dave,

Your gast might have been flabbered, but my flabber was totally and utterly gasted.

2 in the same thread, incredible.

Andrew McLawrence
50 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:29:13
In a way, it just amplifies the injustice now they have admitted it was wrong.
Brendan McLaughlin
51 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:32:10
Andrew,

Not arguing that the VAR is perfect, far from it, but this still doesn't change the fact that the "clear and obvious error" thing is a popular misconception.

Brian Wilkinson
52 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:35:24
Has anyone heard from John McFarlene Snr? I've not seen him on here for a while, hope everything is okay.

If you are reading this, John, I will call in the Castle Harlech around 1pm Sunday, if the trains are not up the spout again. If you're in, John, be nice to see you and wecan have a ramble down the Park end afterwards before kick-off.

If any of the other regulars are heading there, I will hopefully see you all Sunday.

No worries Christine, always enjoy reading your posts.

Sorry to go off track.

Shane Corcoran
53 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:37:47
Is there grounds for the match officials to appeal this decision?
James Marshall
56 Posted 09/01/2024 at 19:53:27
Kavanagh and Pawson are in my view the worst two referees we have so it's no surprise that they make such monumental fuck ups.

I'm not one who subscribes to the notion there's an agenda against Everton, and that there's a large element of confirmation bias going on among our fanbase (with respect) as can be said by numerous other clubs who feel the same way we do.

A lot of it comes down to over-officiating, power-hungry men with inflated egos due to the roles they've been given. Judge and jury, God-complex-like men who've probably been low in he pecking order in early life and as such feel this great power bestowed upon them which they can't help but wield like some sort of Sword of Damocles.

The personality type of referees dictates that they're arrogant individuals, so adding the VAR was always going to go pear-shaped.

Have you never noticed the type of blokes who want to be refs? Always the same sort of bellends who want to be Old Bill but couldn't cut it so they become referees. I never met a ref who wasn't a massive twat in all my years of playing football, and you see the same thing in all these cretins in the pro game too.

Niall McIlhone
57 Posted 09/01/2024 at 20:08:43
So, given that there was no actual foul, and it would seem there was not even any meaningful contact with the Palace player (Clyne), one is left to conclude that it is he who simulated the foul, in order to gain advantage and to deceive the match officials?

Why are they not considering a retrospective award of a yellow card to Clyne?

I also feel the PGMOL should publicly apologise to Everton FC for the gravity of the error. Pawson, Salisbury and Kavanagh should also be suspended from any form of officiating for a set number of matches.

Peter Mills
58 Posted 09/01/2024 at 20:18:27
Brian,

I was talking with a relative of John Mc Snr recently, and asked after him. I was told he is well – long may that continue.

I do know he has been having a few difficulties with his eyes, perhaps he is just resting them a bit.

Anthony Dove
59 Posted 09/01/2024 at 20:19:31
Correct decision to overturn the sending off.

I don't hold with the conspiracy theories against us. Most resentment against clubs is because they are successful. At the moment, we're just incompetent.

Andrew Keatley
60 Posted 09/01/2024 at 20:33:04
Brendan,

I don't actually understand what you are saying. "Clear and obvious error" is all over the IFAB principles for the VAR, and the Premier League's guidelines, so what is this "popular misconception" you are talking about? I am genuinely not sure what your point is.

But if you are saying that the VAR can suggest a review for something that does not constitute a "clear and obvious error" then I don't think that is correct.

Steve Dowdeswell
61 Posted 09/01/2024 at 20:45:12
Great news and I hope he can kick on and get his scoring boots back on.

Dyche needs to rattle on about this and other dodgy VAR decisions at every opportunity (just like Klippety would) to start mounting pressure on officials to swing decisions our way.

Just wait for the penalty to come our way so the Premier League and FA can demonstrate there really is no agenda.

Like that would be believable...

John Raftery
62 Posted 09/01/2024 at 20:46:17
The crass decision to issue a red card was another example of VAR groupthink, made even more likely by the introduction of a Support VAR (SVAR) for FA Cup ties in which the system is being used. Having a tribunal of three people, each seeking to justify their match fee, virtually guarantees they will stick their oar in at some point.

Sanctioning the officials responsible for these now frequent errors would soon leave insufficient officials available to cover all the roles required for matches at the top level. Eventually it will dawn on people that the use of VAR on matters of opinion or judgement makes officials worse.

The decision was the worst I have ever seen. Had it not been overturned, the whole appeals process would have been rendered futile.

I see we have two more dunces on duty on Sunday: Coote the whistler and Tierney in Stockley Park.

Paul Birmingham
63 Posted 09/01/2024 at 20:49:43
Great news, and I'd like to think that henceforth there's more good decisions to come in Everton's favour, and hopefully more pragmatism and common sense on the decision-making of referees and VARs.

Hopefully a boost to Everton's fortunes this season.

UTFTs!

Terry McLavey
64 Posted 09/01/2024 at 20:50:23
'Kin'ell! Do they know Dominic plays for us?
Ernie Baywood
65 Posted 09/01/2024 at 20:54:48
The referee made the right decision at the time. The review panel later made the right call to rescind.

So how the hell did we end up with a red card if it was clear both in play and on review?

What happened in the intervening time?It just points to a flawed system that needs to be changed immediately.

As an objective, factual, accurate, inarguable statement of fact... This system produces the wrong decisions.

Derek Thomas
66 Posted 09/01/2024 at 20:57:24
They've admitted a mistake but not that they were wrong – it should never have even been a thing.

Let the referees control the game and check with the techies if they need to check... Did I see what I thought I saw?

The referee controls the game, all the others are just what they're called nowadays – Assistants!

Jerome Shields
67 Posted 09/01/2024 at 20:58:49
It was worthwhile appealing. I never thought when he was showing studs that they would rescind it.

Of course, Seamus was always right.

Derek Knox
68 Posted 09/01/2024 at 21:02:40
Peter @ 58,

I know your answer was directed towards Brian W, but thanks for your news about John McF, a lovely, and very knowledgeable man on all things Everton. Hope to see you all soon.

Nick Page
69 Posted 09/01/2024 at 21:02:41
It's not good news because it shouldn't have ever happened in the first place.

And we shouldn't be celebrating it. But we are. Because this is what we have been reduced to and how they have treated us with utter contempt for years.

So the question is: Why were they even looking at it? And this goes back to the point that they have an agenda against Everton.

In years gone by, that wouldn't have even been challenged. There isn't another (comparable) club anywhere that's had to put up with the shite Everton have and a lot of it hasn't even been our making.

And that's not me cryarsing, it's every week and has been for years, and probably since Shankly made a deal with devil.

John Keating
70 Posted 09/01/2024 at 21:05:34
So, to sum up, the VAR is shite and needs to be binned asap.

There used to be nothing better than going to the ale house after the game and arguing about decisions. The VAR has now taken over a good moan.

Pete Clarke
71 Posted 09/01/2024 at 21:05:40
The VAR was introduced to help the game but has badly backfired and instead is ruining the game.

The fact that it is not used at all professional games tells us what a mockery it is. It's either part of the whole sport or it's not.
Dave Abrahams
72 Posted 09/01/2024 at 21:08:51
Derek,

Yes, it's nice to know John Mac is doing okay.

I was thinking about another oldish ToffeeWeb poster, Tom Watson, who is an avid Blue following the club home and away who hasn't posted for a few weeks.

Let us know if you are alright, Tom.

Derek Knox
73 Posted 09/01/2024 at 21:34:53
Dave @ 72, respectfully, do you mean Bill Watson?
Brian Wilkinson
74 Posted 09/01/2024 at 21:44:55
Cheers Peter@58
Shane Corcoran
75 Posted 09/01/2024 at 21:55:15
I was going to state my surprise at the number of people that aren't buying the conspiracy against Everton stuff and then Nick knocks it out of the park.

Seriously though, I'd love to know the process. Presumably the appeals panel is made up match officials (?), so are one group of officials telling another group that they're wrong?

Both have seen the video evidence. I think it totally undermines the officials' position, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.

Dave Abrahams
76 Posted 09/01/2024 at 22:01:11
Derek (73),

Yes Bill Watson, my mistake, should know better. Bill has been to some ToffeeWeb gatherings, knows his football and has a nice dry wit about him.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
77 Posted 09/01/2024 at 23:03:17
The thing I don't get about the referee conspiracy theories is that it would be the biggest scandal in all of sport if it came out that the Premier League was advising PMGOL who was advising the referees to show bias against a particular club.

That's not to say that individuals making decisions on the pitch, the VAR, about points deductions, to punish Niasse for diving, etc. don't have individual biases, but until there's any evidence of a vast conspiracy, it just seems like an excuse to complain about our incompetence in the board room and on the pitch.

As others have noted, if we played better football and could finish on net, we wouldn't be complaining. And while I'm no big fan of Pawson, from what I heard (not having watched the match), Kavanaugh was having an excellent match until that decision. And I do get why Pawson looked closely at it, though it never should've been a recommendation to give the red card.

As for all referees being complete twats, I can say as a ref that there is definitely a decent share of arrogant pricks who never cut it as players, along with insecure fellas trying to be tough guys, but there is also a good share of decent, kind, thoughtful referees who are forced to look like assholes on the field because players are even bigger twats, and you can't let them run roughshod over you. Very few human beings, never mind refs, have the people skills to manage the personalities and intensity and stress you encounter in 90 minutes of high-level football.

That's my defense of referees, not the atrocious decision to give a red card, and I'm grateful that it was rescinded because they could have stood their ground.

Oliver Molloy
78 Posted 09/01/2024 at 23:14:11
And Beto goes, "Ah fuck!" ... lol

Correct decision, of course, both the ref and the VAR are guilty in making an enormous error so both should be binned or punished in some way.

I for one am fed the fuck up with the VAR, killing the game it is.

Si Cooper
79 Posted 09/01/2024 at 23:39:21
Common sense has prevailed. Hopefully the individuals involved will have had the nuances of tackling better explained to them and will not make the same mistake in future.

I don't need them to be publicly excoriated anymore than the pundits have already done. Let's move on and consign this particular incident to history.

John Pendleton
80 Posted 09/01/2024 at 23:46:12
This is not righting the wrong.

We lost a striker unnecessarily for 15 minutes of a cup tie which we'll never get back.

No sanction against the VARs. Not that it would have helped us. Can we play with 12 men for the last 15 minutes of the replay? Or Palace play with 10? Of course not.

Everton lose out from a decent ref's on-field decision.

Jim Wilson
81 Posted 10/01/2024 at 00:20:15
So how do we get compensated for the McNeil injury that would never have occurred if the Premier League officials hadn't made up yet another Everton infringement?

People must not mix up the deliberate mistake with the incompetent one – as hard as that may be.

Mike Gaynes
82 Posted 10/01/2024 at 00:29:50
Excellent. Finally some justice.

John #80, be real. We never looked like scoring in that game. We lost nothing.

And we have no way of knowing whether Pawson was sanctioned, but so what? It wouldn't help us one bit more. He was excoriated in the media and now has been embarrassed by the reversal. Works for me.

Now for another reversal, eh? I want those four extra "aggravating" points back.

Pete, thanks for the update on John Sr. Finally some good news there too.

Jim Robinson
83 Posted 10/01/2024 at 01:19:28
Mike #82,

I have no idea what is involved in excoriating your media but, in the case of Pawson, I hope it was done without anaesthetic.

I still haven't forgotten how he sent off Phil Jagielka in the opening game of the 2018 season at Wolves for an even more innocuous tackle. Neves scored from the free kick so he cost us 2 points on that occasion.

Danny O’Neill
84 Posted 10/01/2024 at 06:18:07
Great to hear John Senior is good and well. A royalty amongst Royal Blue Evertonians.
Hugh Jenkins
85 Posted 10/01/2024 at 07:56:03
I have said in the past and will say it again, PGMOL and others were always opposed to the introduction of the VAR, and probably still are.

As such, I think they are determined to see that it "doesn't work" as intended, in the hope that it will eventually be scrapped, despite its successful use in other sports.

Phil Wood
86 Posted 10/01/2024 at 11:00:14
I dislike VAR intensely.
It has taken the spontaneity out of the game.
I think if the red card decision had stood then it would have caused DCL some anxiety in that he would forever be in a quandary as to what is or isn't an acceptable challenge. I think it would have affected his game.
Pawson certainly has an issue with Everton but we will probably never know why.
I believe all referees should have to declare their team or teams of choice. Then they should never be allowed to ref or make judgement decisions on those games.
Sean Mitchell
87 Posted 10/01/2024 at 11:42:48
Not even Asda or Morrisons trust Pawson to be in charge of trolleys.

Why is this guy still officiating?
He's a disgrace.

Jim Burns
88 Posted 10/01/2024 at 12:35:47
Kunal @ 18 - according to the Times today Webb has responded in writing to a letter from the Everton Fans Forum which had complained about this particular decision and various prior VAR decisions against us.
It seems he’s agreed to consult with the group on their concerns.
Whether anything comes of it is another matter I guess.
As has been mentioned on here Webb was opposed to VAR and there is a view - which I tend to agree with - that the VAR system itself isn’t the issue - it’s the way it’s being managed by gobshites.
It was only ever meant to correct clear and obvious on field decisions - not finger nail offsides or incidents like the DCL red or his disallowed goal at Spurs for example…neither of which were clear and obvious errors by the ref on the day.
Sort out VAR’s usage policy and the clowns using it and we might start getting genuine value from it.
They could start by banning it altogether from FA cup ties - whatever ground is involved - another unfair and farcical usage policy.
Mike Owen
89 Posted 10/01/2024 at 12:39:41
That VAR call distracted the officials so much that no attention appeared to be paid by what seemed to be a very dangerous push by a Palace player on Branthwaite that sent him hurtling towards the seats.

Due to where I was standing, I could not see exactly where Branthwaite landed, but when he got back on to the pitch, this normally calm lad was absolutely fuming, yelling at the linesman who seemed transfixed, possibly listening to the VAR conversation.
This incident was probably well worth a review.
And if two people are on VAR, shouldn't one be following the subsequent play?

I don't know if the TV broadcast showed any of this.

And of course the rescinding of the red card does not involve a rescinding of the injury to McNeil.
Without the VAR interruption, the game would have had a different flow and pattern of events afterwards.

Neil Lawson
90 Posted 10/01/2024 at 13:12:30
Still baffled and frustrated and annoyed that I can not find any explanation given for the rescinding of the card. Surely that is crucial in the debate. If not provided then we all have to conclude "corruption and foul play within the body responsible".
Dave Abrahams
91 Posted 10/01/2024 at 13:25:10
Mike (89),

I mentioned this when discussing Dominic's sending off, as you say the Palace player came from behind Branthwaite and gave him a heavy push, the linesman didn't indicate anything and then the cameras switched to the referee, Dominic and the injured(?) Palace player and I didn't have a clue what that was all about having seen the tackle that caused all the fuss and it never registered that it was a foul.

Much ado about nothing but it did have serious consequence with McNeil's injury and Dominic's red card.

Neil Lawson
92 Posted 10/01/2024 at 13:25:59
Found the decision.

1. Not a shred of evidence to show deliberate foul play or dangerous/reckless actions likely to cause injury blah blah

2. That this was plainly obvious to anyone who examined the footage.

3. To conclude otherwise is to display complete incompetence and unfitness for post or, if not incompetent, transparent bias and corruption

4. The officials responsible are idiots.

5. They will be redirected to the Northern/Southern Conference leagues to officiate as linesmen so that they can be jeered for 90 mins as they run up and down the line in the mud.

You will find this on the BBC website (if you close your eyes and begin dreaming).

Eric Myles
93 Posted 10/01/2024 at 13:30:01
A Geordie I was drinking with a few nights ago was incredulous that there was a VAR at the Everton match, but not at their FA Cup match against Sunderland.

How can the one competition have two sets of rules?

Michael Kenrick
94 Posted 10/01/2024 at 13:31:43
Neil,

Still baffled and frustrated and annoyed that I can not find any explanation given for the rescinding of the card.

I imagine they all recognized – yes, even the ones in charge, the ones who supposedly have this corrupt agenda against us – that the officials collectively made an error, and simply rode it back on appeal.

It happens. I imagine it's why they still have the appeals process, even after introducing the VAR to apparently correct "clear and obvious errors". They were over-zealous in trying to find that clear and obvious error when there was none.

Jamie Crowley
95 Posted 10/01/2024 at 13:38:22
Woke up and read this.

Absolutely stunned, in the best of ways.

The Premier League simply has to do something about the VAR. They are absolutely butchering replay reviews time and time again. The technology is there to get calls correct, not to adjudicate iffy calls. If they can't wrap their feeble little minds around this concept, they seriously need to scrap it.

And I'm not in favor of scrapping VAR. If implemented properly, it can save teams unjustified harm.

But with the collective intelligence of a den of rats, I have no hope of the VAR ever getting it right.

They've done an abysmal job of utilizing replay. It's comical if it wasn't so tragic.

Bill Watson
96 Posted 10/01/2024 at 13:41:59
Dave #72 and Derek #73,

Still clinging on, thanks. despite being one of the 'oldish' members!

I haven't posted for a while because of other issues but I was down at Palace last Saturday.

After the red card was shown, the incident was, very briefly, flashed up on the big screen. There was a collective intake of breath and that was from the home fans. A totally ludicrous decision.

The concept of the VAR is sound but its implementation is very subjective and, as we all know, administered by incompetent officials.

A few months ago, the Premier League said they didn't broadcast the sound dialogues during a VAR check for fear it could lead to crowd trouble. Quite!

Ray Roche
97 Posted 10/01/2024 at 13:53:54
Hi Bill,

Glad to hear you're okay. Like you I don't post as much these days, always check the site out though.

I was over your way last week visiting my sister on the Paramount Estate, always nice to revisit your roots. I hope 2024 is kind to you mate.

Pete Clarke
98 Posted 10/01/2024 at 13:57:42
Did Clyne get booked for diving in the initial incident and then get unbooked and, if so, does he now get re-booked??

What a joke.

Danny O’Neill
99 Posted 10/01/2024 at 14:24:13
It's good that it's been rescinded, but doesn't alter that we were down to 10 for the best part of 20 minutes and at one point only had 8 outfield players on the pitch due to dithering officials.

If that Ref and the suits in Stockley Park couldn't see it wasn't a red at the time, then they should be stood down.

It's getting comical.

Get people in who understand the game and make them explain themselves and their decisions.

And give offside if there is a doubt. I'm all for letting the game flow, but players will get injured unnecessarily. Give it and then give the ball back to the attacking team in my view.

Niall McIlhone
100 Posted 10/01/2024 at 14:28:24
Mike #89,

I watched the Palace game on TV (Amazon Prime as I recall) and there was no reference whatsoever to the Branthwaite incident. All I can recall was the sight of Nathaniel Clyne coming in at speed on the left of the screen, partly obscured by an Everton player (JB?) who appeared to be facing toward Calvert-Lewin as Dominic was hooking his foot behind the ball to retain possession.

Even in super “slo-mo”, I could not see any physical contact with Clyne's shin, but the Palace player went down so quickly, it must have convinced the VAR Jobsworth that it had been serious foul play.

When watching in real time, I recall being hugely impressed by Calvert-Lewin's tackle, it looked clean and very well executed and I don't even recall any of the Palace players making a fuss?

As others have said, the biggest net loss to our club is that of the McNeil injury. I suspect Clyne might pick up a mystery injury before the replay as he is likely to get absolute pelters at Goodison for being a shithouse and getting Calvert-Lewin dismissed.

Dave Abrahams
101 Posted 10/01/2024 at 14:33:39
Bill (96),

I'm glad you are feeling okay and still attending matches, the Crystal Palace game must have been a hard slog for you all that way on a winter's night and a long journey home.

You're a better man than me, Bill — I'm sticking to just the home games!

Bill Watson
102 Posted 10/01/2024 at 19:09:50
Dave #96,

We left the Rocket at 12:15 pm and got back there at about 3 am.

Now you know why away fans always stand up!

Thanks Ray and Best Wishes to you, too. My roots are in Liverpool but I've lived amongst the plazzies since 1976!!

Danny O’Neill
103 Posted 10/01/2024 at 19:14:20
It's always the same, Bill.

None of us sit down at away matches!

It plays havoc with my Army and Football lower back niggles!! Not to mention the knees and ankles.

John McFarlane Snr
104 Posted 10/01/2024 at 19:30:00
Hi Brian [52], Peter [58], Derek [68], Dave [72], Mike [82], and Danny [84] thank you for your kind words

My eye operation wasn't 100% successful, but fortunately I have my grandson Josh to tell me what's happening at the Gwalyds Street end, I do know by the colour of the shirt whether it's friend or foe.

I tend to avoid controversial issues, my main interest is what happens on the field of play. I have learned over the years that anything can happen in a game of football and I either enjoy nor endure the occasion.

I don't pick on individuals because it's my opinion that a game is won or lost as a team, and anyone who earns a living playing football "can play football"; however, I appreciate that we are all entitled to our opinions.


Ray Roche
105 Posted 10/01/2024 at 19:43:01
Bill @102,

1976? I'd emigrated to North Wales by then, not sure my sister would appreciate being a plazzi!!! I'm still scared of her now! 🤣

Danny O’Neill
106 Posted 10/01/2024 at 19:48:02
Great to hear from you, John Senior.

I am sorry the operation didn't go as well as you hoped. But I am sure you will still see the Royal Blue.

I always enjoy your educated footballing views.

As you always say, anything can happen on the field of football.

Best wishes, John, and God Speed.

Billy Shears
107 Posted 10/01/2024 at 20:56:44
Still in shock over this decision to be honest...got to be another Everton first!

COYB

Michael Bennet
108 Posted 10/01/2024 at 21:09:04
Thank god...we would have missed his goals..
Peter Mills
109 Posted 10/01/2024 at 21:24:56
John#104, it’s good to hear from you. Take it easy, and you’re not alone - we all watch the match through half-covered eyes a lot of the time!
Mike Owen
110 Posted 11/01/2024 at 09:58:36
Cheers, Dave (91), I knew someone had mentioned it but couldn't remember who.

And thanks Niall (100). I am curious to know where Branthwaite landed. In the (empty) seats that were there, or in the wall. I was only 20 or 25 yards away, but couldn't see where, and I am quite tall.

It was a snidey action that could have caused serious injury. I wish Everton, if not the broadcaster, would highlight such things.

Gerry Quinn
111 Posted 11/01/2024 at 14:44:36
You can't make this shit up... under FA regulations, Calvert-Lewin's red card will remain on his record meaning the 26-year-old will serve an extra one-match suspension should he receive another dismissal this season.
Brian Cleveland
112 Posted 11/01/2024 at 22:03:01
This is totally crazy, but do you know that, even though the red card has been rescinded, it still goes on his record!

That means that any other misdemeanours get added to this. It hasn't gone away! In effect, he just has a zero-game ban. Work that out. I couldn't believe it.

Alan Brazil rages at bizarre rule which could see Everton's Dominic Calvert-Lewin unjustly punished – TalkSport

Gerry Quinn
113 Posted 12/01/2024 at 18:37:45
Brian,

I have just read that this stay of a red card incident on his record is crap – the rule has been changed... he will NOT have it on his record.

Journalist clears up 'confusion' over Dominic Calvert-Lewin red card debacle after talkSPORT outburst


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