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Frank Lampard has spoken for the first time in detail about his experiences managing Everton during the difficult period between the 2022 World Cup and the time he was sacked, admitting that at times he felt like the next crisis was just around the corner.

The Chelsea playing legend was dismissed by the Blues a year ago this week and he appeared once more on The Overlap with Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher and guests to discuss his time at Goodison Park and his hopes for the future.

Lampard’s position at Everton became untenable following a miserable run of results that returned just two points from a possible 27 between late October 2022 and the third week of January 2023.

As he explained on this week’s episode of The Overlap, he in no way wanted to downplay the fact that he failed to get results on the pitch but he admitted it was a challenge working at a club that was “not joined up” in terms of the competing influences and divisions both within the boardroom where Bill Kenwright and ex-CEO Denise Barrett-Baxendale held sway but also where owner Farhad Moshiri was concerned.

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Lampard described the chaos when the transfer window opened during his final month at the club as being illustrative of the difficulties both he and the club faced, in terms of a lack of synergy among the hierarchy and Everton battling to work within the constraints of the Premier League’s Profitability and Sustainability rules.

“Denise (Barrett-Baxendale), my CEO, was incredible trying to really put in a football plan,” the Londoner explained, “but at the same time we got to the point where, come January, we’re struggling for results after the World Cup and one of the problems I found at Everton was that we were trying to work a football plan.

“Kevin Thelwell came in as sporting director, Denise was putting forward a football [and] recruitment plan — what are we working towards? We’re working towards it but the minute January comes, it’s like the Wild West.

“Agents and everyone [asking] what’s it going to be, who can we bring in? We were struggling to be able spend money anyway because of the FFP situation. I desperately wanted to bring in players and even after I left, it was another week, Sean [Dyche] came in and couldn't make any moves anyway.

“So there was a lot of tension at the club and there was a build-up through that. It would have been a build-up from a few years.

“I felt from the minute I came in until the minute I left it was almost like we’re in a bit of a crisis but there's going to be another crisis. That was quite difficult. We managed it when we stayed up that year and built confidence and feeling and got over the line with that but in the second season to the end, it was challenging.

“There was definitely a different strategy from the owner to what the Chairman's idea was about it, to what Denise's was. I think some of it would have been their own determination to see it through.

“The Chairman was a tough man, a strong man. Denise was working to get the stadium over the line — which is going to change the club going forward, hopefully — and working with us to try and get players.

“They were working their own way in a direction on the ground, Denise particularly for me at the training ground, always trying to work forward and solve problems. We got a few players over the line [in the 2022 summer window during] which Denise was absolutely scraping, doing everything, communicating with the Premier League because we were [toeing] a tight line.

“So, I think they were just doing their job and understand why it would have hurt them deep down, being Evertonians, not being able to go to games.

“Had mistakes been made by different people? Of course they had been but I think there was a genuine good nature to them in wanting to try to keep the club in the league and trying to keep the club moving forward.”

The second charge brought against Everton by the League for alleged breaches of PSR is believed to have been largely grounded in the summer of 2022 when Lampard and Thelwell tried to upgrade parts of the team following the sale of Richarlison to Tottenham Hotspur that June.

Carragher asked the former Toffees boss about the communication and relationship with the Premier League during this period.

“There were a lot of details,” Lampard said. “When Richarlison left, we all knew it was happening because it had to happen.

“There was a bit of wiggle room to bring in some players. My view at the back end of the season was that we’d stayed up, the squad needed a lot of work and it wasn’t just the idea of bringing players in but getting players to move on.

“Some of those players were at an age in their career where they’d signed long contracts and were not going to go anywhere. The practical nature of any football club is sometimes you were then a bit hamstrung by that. Intentions were great of trying to bring players in but the reality is we were never going to do it.

“I was never really privy [to the conversations with the Premier League]; I would get feedback off it. I think [the authorities] were amicable to a point, but there were clear lines of what we could do at that time.”

The Overlap: Stick to Football, Episode 16

 

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Michael Kenrick
1 Posted 24/01/2024 at 12:00:47
"Things at Everton were not joined up" Very profound, Frank!

Interesting how well he speaks of Denise Barrett-Baxendale, and her work in trying to get players in.

Also, the well-known problem of how difficult it was to shift some of the players he didn’t want.

Also, Gary Neville: "Sean Dyche, a very successful manager… 28% win rate" Er...???

Brian Harrison
4 Posted 24/01/2024 at 12:36:27
Michael,

I also found it interesting how low a win rate the British managers have to many of the top foreign managers. As you say Sean Dyche is very low at 28%. Lampard wasn't much higher and neither was Allardyce.

Brian Harrison
5 Posted 24/01/2024 at 12:45:30
Lampard said that most evenings he was on the phone to the owner, then the chairman, then Denise Barrett-Baxendale. He said that she did everything she could to bring everything together — maybe some on here may have judged her more harshly than she deserved.

I think the overall picture of our club is one that is always in turmoil, and even Dyche has hinted at such during his time in charge.

Dave Abrahams
6 Posted 24/01/2024 at 12:54:06
I stuck with for most of the programme, don't know how long it lasted, but I found it annoying that Lampard praised the input of Kenwright – did he call him Mr Everton at one point? I wasn't sure because of the accent.

Also Carragher, who should have known better, saying along with Lampard how much it hurt Kenwright and Denise not to be allowed to watch the team, never mentioning the truth of that.

Lampard saying we engaged with the fans who helped to rally the team at the end of the season… engaged with the fans? We dragged the fuckin' team, along with Lampard and his coaches, over the line to stay up.

What Jill Scott was there for, God only knows… you can't help your personality but she was boring and never said one interesting thing while she sat there.

Paul Hewitt
7 Posted 24/01/2024 at 13:43:40
Crap manager. Not arsed what he says. Would have definitely took us down.
Jerome Shields
8 Posted 24/01/2024 at 13:51:02
Dave #6,

I didn't think Lampard was that good of a manager. My first impression of this is Lampard is trying to look as if he knows what he is talking about.

He was well in with Kenwright & Co but he will never be any use as a manager. He will end up on the pundit gravy train and that is what he is pitching at. Carragher and Keane are not worth listening to. I have no comment regarding Jill Scott... Neville is just adding to his business empire; he will replace Gary Lineker. Ian Wright was quiet about being misled.

There was a briefing meeting beforehand. I just am not interested in their opinions anymore.ToffeeWeb is a lot more real and informative.

Michael Kenrick
9 Posted 24/01/2024 at 13:51:43
Yea, Dave, lots to feel a little dubious about. And by half-way through, they've gone full-bore into the cursed "Golden Generation" who won nothing for England and are now winning nothing as managers.

Boring.

I was sold on Brian's glowing recommendation… 45 minutes of my life I'll never get back!

Can't believe the plethora of clickbait sites on NewsNow who have just picked up on any old throwaway sentence from this lot…

Sam Hoare
12 Posted 24/01/2024 at 14:16:50
Lampard was a dreadful manager who was indebted to some inspired performances from Pickford to get even as many points as we did. A poor appointment and evidence that the people who run football clubs should not always listen to fans (or at least what they graffiti on bedsheets). Under his stewardship we giving up tons of chances at the back whilst (as ever) struggling to create much up front. I was never that impressed by what he had done at Chelsea or Derby; though in fairness he did speak quite well and brought the fans onside at least.
Brian Harrison
13 Posted 24/01/2024 at 14:17:00
Michael

Guess you didnt enjoy it as much as I did, I think Neville is by far the best pundit on television, and he always has had a soft spot for Everton. One of the few who openly criticizes the Premier league and was the most vocal of any pundit about our 10 point deduction.

I thought it was good to hear what was actually going on at Goodison at the time, as most sign non disclosure agreements but seems Frank didn't. What is quite evident is that Moshiri is and was a disaster for our club. As I said earlier I wasnt a fan of Lampard but I think he tells it as he perceived it was for his time at Everton. He said DBB was excellent and Kenwright was very supportive, and as a manager thats all you can ask. Just a pity the man with the money didnt listen.

Brendan McLaughlin
14 Posted 24/01/2024 at 14:21:47
Agree Brian #13

His comments on the dynamic, or lack of, between Moshiri, Kenwright and DBB were interesting. Felt it echoed the views expressed by Brands some time back concerning the difficulties he himself faced trying to do his role. It also dispels to some extent the notion of Moshiri as an "absentee landlord" type.

Lampard also agreed with the suggestion that the Everton Board were often preoccupied with reigning Moshiri in. That's a view that doesn't often gain much traction on ToffeeWeb.

Michael Kenrick
15 Posted 24/01/2024 at 14:25:11
I felt he just tickled the surface there, Brian. A lot of chatter but very little substance. In reality, he probably went as far as he could in saying what a shit show it was.

"Wild West" once the transfer window opened — you can interpret anything into that. But obviously not good.

Brian Williams
16 Posted 24/01/2024 at 14:46:58
Frank behaved as you'd expect anyone who hopes to have another manger's position would. He was diplomatic while trying to get across the complete and utter car wreck that was/is Everton.

Just reinforces what we already know, to be honest.

Mike Doyle
17 Posted 24/01/2024 at 14:52:30
Michael 2] I was interested to hear that too - plus his respect for Seamus Coleman remains high.
Dave Cashen
18 Posted 24/01/2024 at 14:59:53
Lampard may not be a good football coach, but he is an intelligent man.

like Brian, I was enjoying it. Until the panel got onto their favourite subject - Themselves.

There were no great revelations. I think we all know how difficult it is to move average players on when they are on long contracts and wages they could never get elsewhere.

We didnt need him to tell us how much more structured a club Man City are either.

What I found fascinating was the way he defended Kenwright and DBB whilst being perfectly happy to identify Moshiri as a drunken sailor.

I could`nt agree more with Dave @6. If the passionate support of the faithful hadn`t dragged the team over the line. Franks CV would look very different today.

How soon they forget

Rob Dolby
19 Posted 24/01/2024 at 16:03:37
Benitez 100% would have taken us down.

Credit where it is due, Lampard's appointment did galvanise the fan base and got us over the line in a night that he mentioned as being a massive highlight for him.

That Palace game is up there with Wimbledon in my eyes.

The 2nd season he had to go as he wasn't getting the best out of what we had, shame really as the Liverpool fans hated him. If he wants to get back into management he would be best starting at a lower level to learn the hard way.

He was never going to slag off anyone at the club, no ex-manager ever does.

Eddie Dunn
20 Posted 24/01/2024 at 16:08:04
Lampard is simply a nice guy, who had doors opened for him by his Dad and his Uncle and developed into an excellent player.

His fame as a player with Chelsea and good contacts got him jobs that he wasnot qualified for. He was a car-crash at Everton. All the bollocks about him "getting" us and yet he has managed to delude himself that he saved us, when it was the fans and the players.

Remember that he fell out with Doucoure, who has proved to be intsrumental in most of our wins. How we might have survived with a greater margin if Frank had played him.

The stories of financial mismanagement and our current predicament suit him down to the ground.

By the way his assistant Joe Edwards is the manager of Milwall and his win percentage is...28%.

Stephen Vincent
21 Posted 24/01/2024 at 16:13:26
Brian #5,

He said that she did everything she could to bring everything together — maybe some on here may have judged her more harshly than she deserved.

Trouble was she was totally out of her depth. She would have had trouble steering a ship on calm waters let alone one heading for the rocks.

Not challenging the clearly falsified assault allegations did her no favours whatsoever, she was clearly a creature of Kenwright. Then she adds insult to injury by taking a substantial pay out when she 'resigns' and refusing to give evidence to the Premier League Commission.

She may have been great at running a £5m a year not for profit, but a £180m ailing football club, not a hope in the hell she helped to create. She was CEO for God's sake yet apparently failed to spot or advise on Everton's approaching inability to meet P&S regulations. Did she not read the monthly management accounts that Ingles should have given her, or maybe she did and was too proud to admit that she didn't have a clue what they meant.

If it was up to me I would be instructing solicitors to start proceedings for a breach of the 2006 Companies Act.

Kieran Kinsella
22 Posted 24/01/2024 at 16:25:55
Stephen,

I was thinking the same thing. Doing everything she could to bring in players… like the ones that put us over the top for FFP.

Her job wasn't to sign players her job was to ensure the smooth running of the whole club. On that basis she was an utter failure.

Dave Abrahams
23 Posted 24/01/2024 at 16:32:24
Brendan (14), I thought Brands was doing okay, who brought him onto the Board? I'd say Kenwright and after that he was another puppet like the rest of them were under Kenwright.

Moshiri was in Monaco leaving the running of the club to Kenwright and his cronies. Denise was doing her best to help the Board? What she know about football, she would have done better, not financially, if she had stayed doing the charity side of the club but I'm not even sure she was very good at that, she was like her master, she knew how to look after herself and did very well, like him, financially.

Stephen Vincent
24 Posted 24/01/2024 at 16:40:53
Agreed Kieran,

In line with other failing CEOs, she should hand back her MBE and resign her much-used Honorary Professorship at Hope University.

Jay Harris
25 Posted 24/01/2024 at 16:45:56
In summary, Frank is a nice guy but a total failure at being a manager.

Barrett-Baxendale is a nice caring woman but a total failure as CEO of a football club

Moshiri is a nice guy but just a puppet for the Oligarch and not a clue how to run any business.

BK - RIP - nothing more to say.

Grant Ingles - Inappropriately called an accountant

Graeme Sharp was a good player but a toerag as a fans liaison and director of EFC.

Seamus Coleman - would put them all to shame both as a person and a leader.

Brian Hennessy
26 Posted 24/01/2024 at 16:49:26
A failed manager who is now looking for his next job.

Of course he is going to speak glowingly about our inept former Chairman and CEO, it's the people in those positions who are going to give him his next job, safe in the knowledge that when he fails again, Frank won't throw them under the bus.

Les Callan
27 Posted 24/01/2024 at 16:55:43
Stephen.

I'm no supporter of DBB, but are you sure she refused to give evidence?

I think I've read somewhere that she wasn't asked.

Tom Bowers
28 Posted 24/01/2024 at 17:16:14
Some great players never become great managers but circumstances are different for everyone.

Recent years have seen Lampard and Rooney fail and Gerrard (who had an easy job in Scotland) also failed at Aston Villa once he stepped up to the higher level.

However, the experience gained could be invaluable for these people when the right opportunity presents itself (if they are lucky).

Moyes has been around the houses since leaving Goodison but, after failing at Man Utd, chances are he hasn't got what it takes although the Hammers aren't that bad.

Of course many clubs' top brass blame the manager immediately results go awry so it is a no-win situation for any manager.

To be successful, any manager needs plenty of financial clout to secure the best available players and it is borne out at Anfield and the Etihad where the respective managers have everything they need to help them maintain powerful squads in depth.

Lyndon Lloyd
29 Posted 24/01/2024 at 17:23:49
Michael, success isn’t just measured in win rates. It can be relative. Sean Dyche’s remit at Burnley was to keep a relatively small club (by today’s standards) in the Premier League, which he did for a decade on a shoestring budget and even got them into Europe.

His initial job at Everton was to keep the club in the top light which he did... just. And his job this season is more or less the same, albeit in more difficult circumstances, given the points deduction.

So far, so good.

Bill Gall
30 Posted 24/01/2024 at 17:31:30
Watched the video. I'm not going to try and defend anyone, but what came out was not unexpected.

When the majority of supporters were on about sacking the board, I said then, they were not the problem; the owner Moshiri was the problem. It does not matter what you do, if the owner says "You do what I say," your hands are tied.

I am not excusing the board for mistakes that they made, to me, they would have had more backbone if they had resigned if they were not being allowed to do what their position allowed them to do.

The other major point that came out was managers not being given enough time to bring in the players he wanted to build a team. Transfering players he did not want, to bring in the type of player he wanted.

It sounds like Moshiri wanted to become an orchestra despite being a one-man band. There has to be a stand sometime a manager has to be given time, not to just avoid relegation but to build a team that will stabilize a league position that concentrates more on trophies than relegation.

Mark Ryan
31 Posted 24/01/2024 at 17:32:58
"It was like the Wild West," says Lampard; no shit, Sherlock!

Moshiri playing Marshall P Nut and Kenwright as the Rumpo Kid. Both idiots who strolled around the club like some big shots in Stodge City. Jokers the pair of them. They have ruined this club beyond repair.

Duncan McDine
32 Posted 24/01/2024 at 17:41:31
I like Frank Lampard. Shite manager, but he gave us some spirit and had a healthy disliking of the toothy clown.

He's obviously putting himself out there again with a bit of PR, but I believe his version of events to be pretty close to the truth. Even our current manager has hinted towards the chaos at Everton (how many books is he up to now, I wonder?).

Danny O’Neill
33 Posted 24/01/2024 at 17:41:42
I haven't watched it yet but I will when I get home.

Reading the comments of those who have and is all I have to go off right now, it's interesting the questions only seem to surround Everton.

It doesn't really tell us anything we didn't know. And as much of an interesting insight into the board members, they can't be forgiven for the false accusations they threw at us supporters and they chose not to attend. They abandoned us. But due to our resilience, we kept going.

How about Chelsea? Derby?

For me, I suspect he'll be filed in that category.

Iain Crawford
34 Posted 24/01/2024 at 17:48:51
Strange Barrett-Baxendale didn't give evidence as this indicates she was regularly in touch with the Premier League with regards compliance. There's this snippet but it's conjecture.

Sources say the British-Iranian businessman “didn't come across well” and was “slaughtered” by members of the expert panel.

Former Everton chief executive Denise Barrett-Baxendale and former finance director Grant Ingles both offered to give evidence to the commission on behalf of the club.

But those offers were rejected by Moshiri, who insisted on taking the lead.

Christy Ring
35 Posted 24/01/2024 at 17:55:07
Lampard says it as it is, he's a nice person, honest, and the board was in chaos, before and after he left. He done well in his first year, but after having to sell Richardson, it went downhill.

His thoughts on Coleman, nice touch, and shows Seamus is a class act.

Martin Farrington
36 Posted 24/01/2024 at 18:01:13
Mark Ryan @ 31 🤣👍🏻Bang on the money.

Why people suddenly wont say a bad word about Kenwright coz he is dead are beyond me. He is the reason Everton are where they are.

Bear in mind his woeful record as owner and chairman, spiralling downwards ever faster as the years passed. He brought in the hapless mobsters who had zero experience (for reasons we all know).

He bought in a no-mark CEO who was as shit as the mobsters. We could not be a more vulnerable target. Hence the Premier League's glee at unleashing both barrels.

They are not gonna let Everton go. We may be the club that rewrites legal history in the sport of football. A bit like Bosman did as a player.

Michael Kenrick
37 Posted 24/01/2024 at 18:33:00
Lyndon,

I think I was a little surprised as they casually reeled off a list of "top" English managers, and there was Sean Dyche at the end of it. I'd love to believe he has a great reputation but, for me, I think that's pushing it a little just yet.

I'm not super critical of him, like some on here, but I just didn't think he ranked as this top manager… but then there are so few English managers at all, so I suppose it's almost automatic.

It was actually nice to hear them refer to him with the same level of respect as the others, and they even showed similar respect for the lengthy list of former Everton managers of the Moshiri era, despite the descent into catastrophe that they have been a significant part of.

Joe McMahon
38 Posted 24/01/2024 at 18:47:10
Chisty @35, I fully agree. Mark @31

One very famous football club said to me two or three days ago 'whenever we have a problem we say 'what would the Everton board do' because they always get it right.

John Williams
39 Posted 24/01/2024 at 18:47:33
It always amuses me about people who state the guy is or was a crap manager, without stating their own occupation and how they fared.

Where you a good electrician, plumber, van driver?

Perhaps that would draw comment from people who knew you in your occupation and stated whether you were good or just crap.

Rick Tarleton
40 Posted 24/01/2024 at 18:48:29
Lampard was not a good manager, that's undoubtedly true, but would Guardiola, Klopp, Arteta, Pochettino or our Lord have made any difference to that squad at that time in their history?

Dyche's win rate is hardly spectacular, yet the majority of fans are tolerant of his efforts.

The ownership and Board had three different plans and DBB comes out of Lampard's view as the best of the three.

It was and still is chaos, the manager is almost irrelevant when the structure in which to manage does not exist.
Better to manage in limbo, than to be out of a job in a structured environment, so they come and they go and we get worse and worse.

Insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting things to change.

Barry Rathbone
41 Posted 24/01/2024 at 18:54:14
Despite earning his shekels via Moshiri and witnessing the EFC farago first hand, his compliments are confined to Barrett-Baxendale and Kenwright. The tacit message is the unprecedented perilous state of this club is down to Moshiri, something the pitchfork and torch crew cannot countenance.

He might not be the greatest manager around but he's not your usual footballing dullard; his opinion means something.

Kieran Kinsella
42 Posted 24/01/2024 at 19:09:09
John 39

I am not sure how it is in England these days but here in the States in virtually every profession these days you have an idea as to whether you're good or crap based on KPIs, tonnes of other metrics, and the lovely both public and private customer reviews.

So, whether you announce that you're good or crap, you and anyone else who cares to know has a pretty good idea of where you stand.

Chris Leyland
43 Posted 24/01/2024 at 19:13:33
Barry, have you considered the possibility that he had nice things to say about DBB and Kenwright because they told him what he wanted to hear and massaged his ego whereas Moshiri might have been holding him to account and telling him his managerial performance was below par?
Brendan McLaughlin
44 Posted 24/01/2024 at 19:14:56
Don't really buy this "he would say that" argument.

Lampard wasn't particularly complimentary towards Moshiri and he didn't have to single out Blue Bill or DBB for praise but he did.

It might annoy some but Lampard is simply saying it as he saw it.

Dale Self
46 Posted 24/01/2024 at 19:17:11
With all else that has happened, it could just be dismissed. Frank does not do himself any favors reminding people of his time here, whatever the speculative offering. He would be better off honestly talking about his struggle to solve problems alongside Paul Clement.

Talk is cheap and this won't inspire a phone call from his intended audience.

Barry Rathbone
47 Posted 24/01/2024 at 20:13:29
Chris 43,

There was a sense of "it's possible" till you got to Moshiri.

The inference he did anything with managers beyond ringing Kenwright to say "Hire him … fire him" is pure Disney.

David West
48 Posted 24/01/2024 at 20:45:03
I always liked Lampard as a guy, even a coach, but to come to Everton with the experience he had, at the time he came he had balls to take it on to be fair.

He took it all on his shoulders at times and it showed. The difference in managing a team like Everton with all its troubles is a different animal to even managing Chelsea.

A tough time at Chelsea is not the battle he had at us, the squad needing overhauling, the ffp issues, the board battles, fans in uproar and not getting results. Chelsea's squad could get you through 30% of matches with no manager at all !! They would still get some results.

That's where he was judged, results.
At the end of the day, to Quote Dyche "all the rest is just noise "

The difference in demeanour between the 2 is miles apart, Dyche is not dealing with less issues, he's got bigger problems with a smaller sqaud, yet you wouldn't know it.
That's experience, battle hardened, know how, and confidence.

He maybe be feeling the pressure, with the points deducted, but he wouldn't let it show, to the players, media or fans.

I got the feeling Frank knew it was too tough for him at the end, he can talk about all the other factors but he couldn't do the job that was needed at the time for us.

Sean Kelly
49 Posted 24/01/2024 at 21:04:26
Frank Lampard nice bloke by all accounts. A media darling for sure.

When we needed a manager, we got Frank... a cheerleader. His in-game management was piss-poor – a rabbit caught in the headlights.

Mike Gaynes
50 Posted 24/01/2024 at 21:04:54
Mike #17, one of my abiding memories from the aftermath of the Crystal Palace game, when all the dancing and singing and celebrating was over and the fans were gone, Seamus took his kids out on the pitch. And Lampard came over and told the kids that their dad was the finest man he'd ever known. It was a magnificent gesture.

Frank may not be much of a manager, but he's a very classy gentleman.

Tony Abrahams
51 Posted 24/01/2024 at 21:17:30
Whilst people try and defend some, and castigate others, Denise was the football plan recruitment is something I've just read in the Daily Mirror article.

The club had no strategy because Moshiri kept sacking managers, and this must have led to Denise moving onto the football side of things less than 12 months after Bill Kenwright was offering advice to one of the greatest club managers who has ever lived. Carlo, didn't agree with the strategy of our then Director of Football, Marcel Brands.

The whole club was a circus with the blind leading the blind and an owner saying it wasn't his job to sack the underperforming manager whilst a board allegedly full of diehard Evertonians incredibly decided to try and throw the very loyal fanbase under the bus.

Lampard was a likeable man who couldn't deal with the untold problems that surrounded the circus but he was definitely taking us down which means that whoever appointed Sean Dyche delivered us a master stroke.

Ben King
52 Posted 24/01/2024 at 21:32:59
Like many on here, I really liked Frank and he helped to unite the fan base.

But he was tactically inept, too emotional and inexperienced. Dyche had an inferior squad and kept us up. And is doing a fantastic job (relatively) this season if you remove the points deduction.

I fear Dyche will never get the praise he deserves and it bemuses me.

But back to Frank. He was the best of a crap 3-man short list and didn't really seem tactically aware. Big shame as I really wanted it to work for him.

David West
53 Posted 24/01/2024 at 22:18:35
Lampard probably just needs an out-of-the-spotlight job where he won't have success, won't be fighting a relegation battle, then he won't attract a bigger club or won't get the sack.

A few years battling mid-table problems without the jeopardy or plaudits to find what kind of manager he is. I do think ex players are a bit harshly treated when they become managers.

I think it's clubs who are too willing to give an ex-player who has pulling power a go, rather than the guy who's battled mid-table mediocrity for a few years with no money or pulling power.

Clubs are too quick to go "Oh, Lampard got Derby to the playoff final, maybe he could get us to the Champions League Final???"

In reality, he should've stayed at Derby and seen if he could get them up.

Matt Byrne
54 Posted 24/01/2024 at 22:29:41
Interesting to discover that DBB has not actually academically put the work in to become a professor but had it handed it to her in an honorary way. I

'm not against honorary awards as such but she used that 'professor' title widely, presumably to give her wider gravitas.

Personally, I'd be embarrassed to do this knowing I had not worked for it. Kind of symbolic of the Kenwright era. All fake bluff and smoke and mirrors.

David West
55 Posted 24/01/2024 at 23:01:46
I tend to agree with Lydon on win percentage. Klopp, Guardiola etc win percentage would suffer if they were at Burnley or Everton.

As I said, bigger clubs' squad counts for a lot. Man City would win 40% of games if Pep was rotten stinking drunk, lying in a gutter bollocko blindfolded with his hands tied behind his back!!!

Dean Williams
56 Posted 24/01/2024 at 23:09:57
Shite manager, simples.
Alan Corken
57 Posted 24/01/2024 at 23:16:53
If we only include this season when judging Sean Dyche (and I think he is entitled to that, as last season he brought in no new players and was simply surviving the disastrous legacy of Lampard), then his win rate, including cup competitions, is 11 from 25 or 44%.

Gary Neville talking shite as usual...

Brian Wilkinson
58 Posted 24/01/2024 at 23:29:26
After watching that ,I am so glad Dyche is in charge.

He just gets on with it, hardly had a pot to piss in for incoming players, certainly got a tune out of a lot of what he was left with in players. I know I get frustrated with leaving his subs late, but overall, he has done an amazing job.

We are so lucky we have him, the guy has made mistakes, but a look at the bigger picture, he has given us a fighting chance. Love him or dislike him, Dyche will get us out of this mess, along with the players and the fans.

I was undecided when he came in, but am certainly grateful we got him.

Paul Kossoff
59 Posted 24/01/2024 at 23:44:54
Dave 55.

You obviously have experience of being rotten stinking drunk, lying in a gutter bollocko blindfolded with your hands tied behind your back, so I'll ask you, what's bollocko?🙄

Bill Hawker
60 Posted 25/01/2024 at 03:15:33
Alan #57

"...who was simply surviving the disastrous legacy of Lampard."

Who was surviving the disastrous legacy of Rafa, etc...etc...

The simple fact is we've had just one good manager since Moyes left and he buggered off to Madrid after they came calling. I won't say Lampard was a great manager for us because he wasn't (and he admitted as much in the interview as he "didn't win matches") but the one common thread that Everton have had since Koeman to Dyche is one Farhad Moshiri.

I will always be of the opinion that this club was run into the ground by both Moshiri and Kenwright, regardless of who was managing the club at the time. So I get a kick out of Evertonians with this "revisionist history" thinking that we'd have done any better with just about any other manager out there, given the issues this club was facing.

Lester Yip
61 Posted 25/01/2024 at 04:08:58
Lampard was just another casualty in the mess we were in. He had not managed a team with such a tight budget and low in confidence and fitness before. Just appointing the wrong person at the wrong time.

Dyche had experience in dog fighting and working within a tight budget. He worked on fitness and defense which at least set us up for some draws to begin with.

Dupont Koo
62 Posted 25/01/2024 at 04:53:24
As much as I appreciate how Frank represented the club off the pitch, he ended up a poor man's version of Xabi Alonso in terms of a manager with a stubbornness on implementing their ideal playing style regardless of available personnel. (With the right personnel, it would be the Leverkusen team that is on top of Bundesliga this season; without them, our team under Frank's tenure.)
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On the other hand, Sean made lemonade out of the whatever lemons that are there at Finch Farm, inspite of another kind of stubbornness of his own. (If not for that away game at Villa and that Red Card against the Red Shite, Jarrad and Nathan would still be buried deep in the bench in favour of Keane and Young.)
Paul Ferry
63 Posted 25/01/2024 at 06:42:39
Some of the one-line heroic posts by Paul Hewitt and articulate and courageous Dean Williams – 'Shite manager, simples.' – are fucking embarrassing and an insult to this great site and the vast majority of its members.

These one-sentence merchants have no empathy or understanding that the year of Lampard cannot be boiled down to a few words. That is a crass insult to Lampard, our club, and us on this site, but don't expect subtle and pragmatic Deano to grasp this.

I will always have respect and admiration for Frank because he walked (remember, Deano?) into a shit circus that no one could have worked with, he spoke to us as fans for whom Everton matters (and that fucking matters), and (remember, Deano?) Frank dancing in and around the main stand on that night is up there with my iconic Everton moments in my lifetime:

Sheedy's twice taken free kick, Bradley Lowery, Thomas crossing for Big Bob, Inchy Highbury, Andy King 1978, Horne/Farrelly, he aint heavy he's my brother, Rotterdam, Everton 4 Sunderland 1 April 6 1985, Rideout, Spurs 1 Everton 2 April 3 1985, Frank dancing May 19 2022, and many more besides.

Shame on one-line Hewitt and Deano who lack the wherewithal to expand their seven so meaningful and insightful words into seven sentences that might have mattered.

Ian Jones
64 Posted 25/01/2024 at 07:40:52
Whilst The Overlap probably didn't tell us anything we didn't already know, I found Frank Lampard's comments about his family interesting.

I think it's worth noting that a career in football, whether managing or playing, is not necessarily conducive to having a straight-forward and content family life. I get the impression that Frank is very family oriented and being stuck hundreds of miles away from the support of the family for the majority of the season must be difficult, especially if all is not going well at the club.

He clearly missed the development of his children for a year.

In my opinion, he is probably more suited to a team based around the London area or ar least within easy reach and with 2 goes already at Chelsea, the Spurs and Arsenal jobs probably a definite no-no, his past connections at West Ham might make that one difficult, his probable choice of clubs would be down to Palace, Fulham, Brentford. A bit further afield, but within commutable distance would be Brighton.

Dropping down a league or two, Charlton, Watford, Reading, QPR

I get the impression Frank is ambitious but he may just have to reign in his ambitions to suit his family requirements and to be fair his managerial ability.

Jim Bennings
65 Posted 25/01/2024 at 07:58:42
I hope at some stage Lampard does get some success as a manager even lower down the leagues.

The reality of the situation is that when Benitez left the club and Frank came in, this club was almost beyond repair such is the slipshod way the finance's were spent by Koeman.

It wouldn't have made any difference if we'd got Graham Potter once Benitez left, the club was too damaged with a squad that was hardly fit for Premier League purpose.

And the one man that has overseen it all is Farhad Moshiri.

He was advised against giving the job to Benitez, even Kenwright sat opposite Rafa bemused to actually see a former Liverpool Champions League winning gaffer there.

It all fell apart when Moshiri walked through the door sacked Martinez and appointed Koeman (again doing so while doubts about the Dutchman kept rearing up).

The best thing Moshiri should have done, when he sacked Marco Silva in December 2019 was take a punt of Mikel Arteta and give him time and money to build a football team...

Yet again he was seduced by glitz in Carlo, who was quite simply never hanging around long enough to build something from scratch.

Tony Abrahams
66 Posted 25/01/2024 at 08:00:57
Especially on a thread that has produced some very sensible posts, Paul.

If Moshiri is allowed to sell Everton to 777 Partners, then my belief is that this will just continue with us being tossed from the frying pan into the fire, and there is only so much a club and its fanbase can take.

"Beggars can't be choosers" seems to be a mantra that is being used by some Evertonians, but we have just had 25 years of that, leading to the most unproductive era in our history. Although it's out of our hands, we really do need to be a lot more vocal and demand who the club can and can't be sold to.

If you read what Ancelloti's lad said, Jim, there wasn't any real money, which just shows you how long Everton had been suffering with their Profitability & Sustainability.

"Weaken them then punish them" seems to be the route the Premier League chose for Everton. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but it does show what type of club Frank Lampard chose to come in to when he agreed to become the Everton manager.

Danny O’Neill
67 Posted 25/01/2024 at 08:20:42
I can't disagree with that, Tony.

Regardless of the Premier Leagues PSR, I've always been suspicious and critical of them and their Sky sponsors and lackeys.

That aside, other clubs moved on to achieve success. Manchester United, who got relegated in the '70s and hadn't won the league since 1967.

Anything is possible if you believe.

Tough times, but keep believing. Forever. No matter what.

Jerome Shields
68 Posted 25/01/2024 at 08:38:13
One thing I noticed is that Frank talked very little football and wasn't asked any football questions. In his time at Everton, he was lucky to get any results and Everton in the end were certain of relegation. Any dragging up of Dyche's stats is scraping the barrel to make Frank look good and worth his dinner.

As for his actual revelations, he is playing to the gallery, giving the impression it wasn't me. As for Barrett-Baxendale, he paints her right as a messenger rather than a Chief Executive Officer. He comes across as firmly in the Kenwright & Co camp and opposed to the Moshiri & Co camp.

What he seems to have forgotten is that he was not the Kenwright & Co first choice and it was Moshiri who appointed him under fan pressure. That is why they were so tolerant of him as manager. Kenwright & Co then swung in behind him after his name was painted on the hallowed walls of Goodison, with the Denise proclamation of faith in him. But really it was to prevent Moshiri's initial selection.

Remember it is Everton, where the story is like no other.

Dave Cashen
69 Posted 25/01/2024 at 08:56:56
Chris @43,

I'm certain you have identified the crime, but I'm not 100% sure you have identified the culprit. Moshiri doesn't seem to have held anybody accountable… for anything.

Having pissed off Leicester and Southampton by poaching Koeman and Walsh, he then gave them a free hand to conduct the most ridiculous spending spree in the club's history. If he didn't understand there was no rhyme or reason to their signings, how could he hold them to account?

Amazingly, he repeated his mistake, allowing Marcel Brands to spend just as recklessly on a steady stream of substandard sick notes.

He allowed every manager to bring in their mates and/or their families as coaching staff... yet allowed the existing staff to stay? Even when he fired under performing managers they were financially set for life.

I think we sometimes allow what we want to believe to trump the view of somebody who was actually there to witness it – I'm guilty too.

I'm inclined to believe Frank's account of the chaos Moshiri presided over. Why would he frighten off potential future employers by openly lying about his last one?

Ian Riley
70 Posted 25/01/2024 at 09:08:41
Frank is putting himself out there? My advice to anyone leaving a job is shake hands and leave on polite terms. Going public on matters behind the scenes helps no one or Frank getting a manager's job.

I liked Frank as a player but feel relegation was coming with him. His management record or experience didn't justify a top job.

I cannot believe that Everton are alone in financial difficulty. Football clubs are probably borderline in financial difficulty as owners want success but financially with fans expectations it is impossible.

Frank's views are not helpful for Everton FC in their plight appealing a 10-point deduction and with another punishment pending. Frank: move on and learn from your experiences.

Jerome Shields
71 Posted 25/01/2024 at 09:18:59
Tony #66,

If it wasn't for Profitability and Sustainability Rules, Moshiri would have kept spending, because there were no financial controls at Everton. Effectively it ended with the Premier League setting the financial controls. That is probably why they think they can do what they like. If you control the money, why not?

Moshiri had access to a bottomless pit, which is currently overflowing. Maybe the bottomless put is being used by other parties?

Mark Dunford
72 Posted 25/01/2024 at 09:27:21
Lampard goes as far as he can in this interview. He tells us that things we suspected or feared to be true are actually true. He doesn't break confidences or betray people. The club suffers poor leadership, has no money, and is owned by someone with no real interest in anything other than ending his association with us.

For what it is worth, I thought Lampard was the best choice when appointed from an admittedly odd field, he surrounded himself with people with a suitable record and made enormous, much-appreciated efforts to understand the club. All in all, he seems to be a decent person.

He worked hard to save us from relegation, but the brittleness of the squad and his inability to deal with this lack of depth, saw him encounter problems he couldn't resolve and he understandably lost his job. We'd have gone down last year with him in charge, just as we'd have gone down the previous year if he hadn't been there.

Dyche seems a more suitable figure for Everton at the moment. There is a better balance in the squad and some of those who needed to move on have gone. A few remain on the books. The biggest problems remain off the pitch so there is little he can do at the moment beyond focusing on the immediate; taking it game to game as the cliche goes.

Christine Foster
73 Posted 25/01/2024 at 10:44:46
Haven't watched the video, but read all the comments. I wish I could say I agreed with them all but there are some serious revisionist writings going on.

1. Everton were dreadfully managed by Kenwright for a decade before his joke of a 24/7 search found Moshiri.

2. By then, we were mortgaged to the hilt, saddled with debt from dubious Virgin Islands tax havens and dubious associates offering financial wizardry.

3. We had virtually no commercial presence – a significant cause of lack of income in future years' financials.

4. On finding Moshiri, he made the cataclysmic decision in stating publicly that Kenwright would handle all football matters.

5. Koeman ensued and spent a staggering £200M plus on bringing new players in on long-term lucrative contracts that would haunt the club for many years to come – becoming another root cause for the PSR failings.

6. No-one in control of expenditure at board or player management levels, no playing plan, the infamous 3 Number 10s.

7. Moshiri (or his Oligarch in Moscow) finally says enough and he gets personally involved making poor manager calls, listening to agents, getting one of the world's best managers… and telling him there is no more money.

8. Letting Kenwright appoint his board of non-professionally proven directors, save, astonishingly, Grant Ingles. His impact has been reflected in where we are today.

9. As a result of all of the above, and that we encountered a perfect storm, war, pestilence and economic sanctions... put all that in the blender,

10. The inability to prepare for an independent commission correctly, resulting in a humiliating penalty.

The seeds for where we are today were sown a long time before Moshiri, but his introduction and his total lack of ability to run a football club, or even employ the right people, has resulted in our present situation.

The responsibility for today is anchored in the past; ultimately though, rightly or wrongly, only two men are responsible.

If we get out of this unscathed, we have 777 waiting to greet us. Do any of us truly believe that a resurrection of fortunes will result? Or is it just a case of Moshiri cutting his losses?

Tony Abrahams
74 Posted 25/01/2024 at 11:19:12
Moshiri would have definitely tried cutting his losses a long time ago, imo, Christine, but it's different for the man behind the scenes who has obviously got a lot more money to lose.

This makes Jerome's suggestion @71 seem very logical but I'm only repeating what I've been told before when I say that, with the FBI seemingly all over a lot of things, then getting in bed with an Oligarch would probably lead to very serious repercussions for anyone brave enough to try!

It's taking forever to find out whether these new owners are fit and proper enough but it's a massive decision and, because it is going to have a massive impact on the future of Everton Football Club, then I just hope the right decision is made.

Given a choice, I'd sooner keep the 10-point deduction and get decent ownership, rather than win the appeal and ending up with 777 Partners owning our club.

Kevin Prytherch
75 Posted 25/01/2024 at 11:20:06
It still baffles me how Marcel Brands seems to constantly escape criticism.

Here was a football transfer expert who, under his tenure, the club spent around £300M on transfers and at least 10 of them came in on wages between 75k and 150k and went drastically downhill.

The crazy transfers and wages during his tenure are the primary reason we have a 10-point deduction. We managed to touch around 95% of turnover being spent on wages. He was the biggest disaster we've had in football terms.

Tony Abrahams
76 Posted 25/01/2024 at 11:25:55
Totally agree, Kevin, Brands was an absolute disaster imo, even though he sounded like he talked an absolute cracker.

To remind ourselves of how badly the club was being run, we sold the very experienced Luca Digne (good deal, imo) but used the money to sign two very inexperienced fullbacks, and also brought in Dele Alli without seemingly doing any real homework on the kid whilst the club was preparing for a relegation dogfight.

Jerome Shields
77 Posted 25/01/2024 at 11:27:43
Kevin #75,

Brands was never his own man. All his decisions were someone else's. He was pushed out to be awkward with Benitez and Ancelotti by Kenwright & Co.

Koeman basically ignored him. Moshiri put him on the Board to moan about wages. He promoted Unsworth, letting him keep his previous job.

Richard Duff
78 Posted 25/01/2024 at 11:46:16
Tosun, Walcott, Mina, Bernard, Sigurdsson, Allan, Rodriquez, Ramirez, Rooney, and I'm sure others.

All bought and paid a salary. No selling fee gained for any of them = sunk cost and debt = a threadbare, badly assembled squad of leftovers.

Putting Frank in charge of what was left was unfortunately beyond his capability and experience at the time. A nice guy and he was part of that Palace event, got the fans, but was destined to fail.

Brian Williams
79 Posted 25/01/2024 at 11:58:45
Need to remove Rooney from that list I think. 🤔
Richard Duff
80 Posted 25/01/2024 at 12:03:15
Brian (79),

I'm referring to Rooney Part 2 but perhaps we did get a nominal fee from the USA. He was on monster wages while with us though, for sure.

Robert Tressell
81 Posted 25/01/2024 at 12:25:50
Richard (78),

I'm with you on this. This is the sort of thing a teenager might come up with in a GCSE economics project – and get a grade C for because of the obvious flaws. Christine (73) makes some great points too.

Jim (65),

It would have been good to see Arteta as manager back in 2019. However, as you say he would have needed time and money. Unfortunately the money had already run out – apart from one last failed roll of the dice with Allan, Doucoure, Rodriguez and Godfrey.

On that basis (and given what happened at Arsenal), I confidently expect that Arteta would have swiftly been sacked or got us relegated before we showed any meaningful signs of improvement.

The most sensible thing to have done after Silva was to accept the money had run out and appoint Dyche. I expect we'd now be a consistent Top 8 side in decent financial health had we done that (although the fans would hate Dyche for not being glamorous enough and failing to get us into the Champions League).

Paul Hewitt
82 Posted 25/01/2024 at 12:37:12
Lampard's Everton record:

Played 38, won 9, drew 8, lost 21. Win% 28.

That enough detail, Ferry?

David West
83 Posted 25/01/2024 at 13:16:30
Paul 59.

I hope you didn't try to Google images of "bollocko"!

Knowing the Internet, there's probably a million meanings
I'll leave it to your imagination!!

Eddie Dunn
84 Posted 25/01/2024 at 13:18:49
Honestly, we wonder why we are in such a mess. So many people soft-hearted on Lampard just because he buttered us up and did a little dance after beating Palace.

The guy was a terrible manager, he should have been sacked before the World Cup and our baffling jaunt to Australia.

Incidentally, I was at the house of a club employee just after that trip and I was told how pissed-off some of the players were that they had to fly business class and not on a private jet.

Lampard took the job because he was desperate. He cost us big money and nearly got us relegated. He might be a nice guy… a very rich nice guy.

Paul Tran
85 Posted 25/01/2024 at 13:34:18
Ultimately, Lampard wasn't good enough.

Brands couldn't tell the difference between a talented player and one effective in the Premier League. And he was allergic to buying goalscorers.

I wanted Arteta, but I thought he was too intelligent to join a club as badly run as ours with Kenwright at the helm.

I wanted Dyche after Ancelotti, but it would cost compensation. And Moshiri is the thick-as-mince idiot who prefers a 'name' rather than apply critical thinking.

All this mess is down to Moshiri. An oligarch's mate and front man who thinks the oligarch can finance him and bail him out after mistakes. A man gullible and desperate enough to believe whatever nonsense Kenwright (and numerous journalists) spouted in oder to get his hands on a club. A man devoid of any kind of due diligence and critical thinking. I suspect he's blundered into the 777 proposed deal in the same way.

Lampard is simply one of many victims, albeit richer, of Moshiri's ownership.

Dave Cashen
86 Posted 25/01/2024 at 17:16:27
Jerome @77. Sorry I don't quite follow any of that

"All his decisions were someone elses" ?

Brands was front and centre and doing all the talking when we were squandering all those hundreds of millions. Barcelona must have loved him. He steered the wolves from their door (temporarily) and brought them straight to ours. His signings. IMO, are the single biggest contributory factor for our current plight.

I don't think koeman could have ignored him. if memory serves me right. he was long gone before Brands even got here. - Apologies if I have got that wrong

Peter Gorman
87 Posted 25/01/2024 at 19:14:03
Did Frank spill the beans on who put Denise in a headlock?

Aside from that, I couldn't care less what he has to say.

Alan Corken
88 Posted 25/01/2024 at 21:30:59
On the last day of the season when we beat Bournemouth to retain our premiership status, I like many others was on my feet cheering and expecting the team to come out and celebrate with the fans. Sean Dyche however, saw it differently, as far as he was concerned we had achieved nothing and the team remained in the changing room. On reflection I thought that this was in fact a great call by the manager and as such it made Frank Lampard's celebrations, versus Crystal Palace seem naive and probably asinine.
Kieran Kinsella
89 Posted 25/01/2024 at 21:41:28
Alan

It is an interesting point. In fairness to Frank though I don't think it was just him it was everyone flooding the field. It was similar to when we stayed up in 94. In the moment, I think everyone is thinking "great we've avoided it now we move forward." When you find yourself in the same position again it's much more alarming.

There were mad scenes of celebration in 94. In 98, Kendall said something to the effect of "Everton should never be in this situation again," and most of the crowd were letting out a relieved sigh rather than jubilant.

Alan Corken
90 Posted 25/01/2024 at 22:38:16
Kieran I take your point and TBH I celebrated as much as anyone on each and all of those occasions. I am glad however, that Dyche kept his head when all about him were losing theirs.
Don Alexander
91 Posted 25/01/2024 at 22:50:30
Everyone, and especially unemployed managers like Lampard who consider themselves to be "in" the football "industry" will never, ever speak fully frankly about their former bosses - even if those bosses were for decades absolutely bent on achieving self-enrichment to the cost of the club and fans they bullshitted they cared about.

If Lampard was to be fully frank he'd never get another job so unaccountable are the very rich club owners (which Everton's never had since John Moores), covertly supported by our wealth-worshipping right-wing so-called government.

And whilst I know no more than others about Marcel Brands when he was with us he's never had a better deal financially than that thrust his way by Dumb & Dumber.

So, well off as he was, just why would a formerly successful football professional in his mere late 50's effectively tear up his own contract by venturing to merely hint that his problems were by no means limited to play on the field?

I think he felt shame by being thrust into such a high position by Dumb & Dumber (and rest assured every other club "in" top-notch football had long since got the full measure of the uselessness of Moshiri and especially Kenwright) and simply wanted to salvage his reputation by getting out of our club.

I don't blame him.

And whilst Klaassen may have been his own choice I'm sure he was appalled by someone else signing Man U's latest spent fat-boy and, for that matter, Sigurdsson too. After all, when he started in his job he was having to deal with the absurd mega-spend before he even got here by Moshiri/Kenwright/Walsh/Koeman wasn't he?

Chris Keher
92 Posted 26/01/2024 at 02:00:41
My analysis of Lampard's time at Everton is not as negative as most people's (though I accept that doesn't mean I'm right).

In that first half season when we stayed up he did pretty well. People seem to forget the number of awful refereeing decisions that shafted us - I've never seen so many major decisions go against any team in so many games. I've no doubt if even a few of those had gone our way we'd have been out of the relegation scrap way before we were.

The next season his obvious inexperience came to the fore. It was a difficult problem (we didn't have a striker - and I'm including Maupay) but we were playing okay and getting better (for a bit) but couldn't score.

And then it became obvious he was out of ideas and he didn't know how to fix it and the team lost confidence.

He always spoke well and did help unify the supporters which proved essential in keeping us up and for that I'll always like him but under him we were heading for relegation - absolutely no doubt.

He also couldn't get a tune out of McNeil or Doucoure who have probably been our 2 best players in the last 12 months.

Jerome Shields
93 Posted 26/01/2024 at 09:04:01
Dave#86

Kenwright was the heart and soul of those Barcelona negotiations. Brands selected the players heavily influenced by the team around him with recommendations from Medical Services.

You are right Barcelonia did love Everton.

You are right regarding Koeman, apologies.It was Walsh who suffered under Koeman. Brands started just after Silva was recruited, though he interviewed him.

Dave Abrahams
94 Posted 26/01/2024 at 10:01:58
Kieran (89), Peter Farrell, Everton’s captan said, after Everton won promotion n 1954, “ Everton should never be in a position to be relegated again “ I think we were poorly run then especially in the transfer market which was the opposite of the ridiculous spending we have seen in the last few years, we spent absolutely nothing in the three years we were in the second division.

As for the season we were saved on the last day with a 1-1 draw v Coventry we were in no position to spend money but Kendall’s best days as a manager were long gone and in the twelve months of his third reign he wasn’t ft for the job because of illness and should never have been appointed and this contributed to a large extent for that very poor season.

Martin Farrington
95 Posted 26/01/2024 at 10:30:36
Christine @ 73
An excellent summary and well set out.
Kenwright is at the centre, and the prime reason, for this clubs demise.
We focus way too much on Moshiri. He is a clueless puppet run by Usmanov.
Who in turn let Kenwright destroy us at boardroom level.
But that is a whole argument that will last longer than Man Citys PSR trial avoidance.

Is anybody else worried that the Premier League gestapo are causing
Everton to plunge further into the chasm and with it bringing the likelihood of further future financial breaches by NOT announcing a decision on 777.
A decision promised before December, Then during December, then before the 31st and now ??????

Yes Moshiri lies non stop.
But what about that snake Masters and wtf is the PL Chairwoman ?????

Surely they Do or Dont fulfill the criteria ???
A criteria which is a financially, morally and humanitarianly low as you can get.


Martin Farrington
96 Posted 26/01/2024 at 10:51:27
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnIJtg3OET4

Keith Wyness iv 8.41mins
Worth a watch.

Andrew Ellams
99 Posted 26/01/2024 at 11:11:40
I'll chip in for the petrol Brendan
Dave Cashen
100 Posted 26/01/2024 at 14:28:27
Jerome

Sorry you are just making statements that are simply not true. You have nothing to substantiate your claims

Here's a few direct quotes for you.

Brands "We'll look after him" to Moise Keans folks when persuading them and him to sign.

Brands - "I could have got Mina earlier, but he would have cost us 5m more. When he scored against England I thought "shit". that'll put the price up. Negotiation with Barca were tough".

Brands - talking about signing Gomes "To be honest, the biggest help was from the fans. They helped me a lot in negotiation with him"

Gabamin - when asked who first approached him from Everton "it was Marcel Brands. He told me to come here".

Fabian Delph - I was blown away. I wasnt being told to leave City, but after speaking to Marcel and his plans I was very excited. I certainly didnt expect a presentation. I remember him leaving my house saying "it's Everton".

Brands preening himself about the signing of Iwobi - "Signing iwobi was not an easy one. A young boy that played already a lot of Premier, Champions league and Europa league games"

kenwright has a lot to answer for, but these deals had and still have, Marcel's fingerprints all over them.

Kevin is right. There are an awful lot of people going to great lengths to defend him, but he has played a massive part in bringing this club to its knees.

The guy spent around 300m on transfers and wages. The longer he stayed the more he spent. The more he spent. The lower we sank.

Danny O’Neill
101 Posted 26/01/2024 at 15:45:31
As big Yerry was mentioned Dave, I will never forget the emotion of being at Molineux and that breathless moment followed by a blue volcanic eruption in the away section as he slid it into the net in the 99th minute to save our season.

I've had some memorable moments watching my second wife, but for different reasons, that is up there with them.

Dave Cashen
102 Posted 27/01/2024 at 06:57:40
That point we earned at Wolves felt so much more than a point, Danny. You're right: it lifted everyone. Nothing like a last-gasp strike.

I liked Mina, but he was on £6M a year (agreed by Brands in negotiations) The transfer fee and the wages meant he cost us around £60M.

Marcel's boasts offer strong evidence that he was given full backing by Moshiri to bring in who he wanted. He agreed similar terms with Gomes, Gbamin, Delph and several others.

There is a tendency to blame Kenwright for everything, but I don't believe there was enough hours in the day for him to have committed all the crimes he is accused of. I'd rather go with hard evidence and direct quotes than believe statements like "Kenwright was the heart and soul of those negotiations with Barcelona". Wanting him to be the culprit does not make it so.

Yes, he was a poor chairman and owner. Yes, he repeatedly lied to the fans. Yes, he held us back for years. Yes, he cocked up the King's Dock. Yes, he tried to take us to Kirkby. Guilty, guilty, guilty...

This club lived within its means before Moshiri. Painfully so at times. It suited the 'glass ceiling' mentality.

Danny O’Neill
103 Posted 27/01/2024 at 07:29:34
Dave, I agree. Although Kenwright has been the one consistent presence since 1989, what alarmed me during Moshiri's tenure has been the incoherent management of the club and a lack of strategy, which comes from leadership at the top.

The words and actions of Sir John Moores even though before my time.

Sam Hoare
104 Posted 27/01/2024 at 07:50:11
I may be somewhat biased due to my low opinion of Lampard's talents but was the situation really so dire when he was appointed?

When he came in, I believe we were 17th with better goal difference than our rivals and only 3 points behind 14th.

Our squad was arguably better than it is now with lots of the same players but also the likes of Richarlison, Allan, Gray, Townsend, Iwobi, Gordon and Yerry Mina to call on. Not a team to challenge the top ten maybe… but not without talent and superior to our relegation rivals.

The fan opinion of Benitez was so incredibly low that almost anyone else coming in would have been greeted with relief if not jubilation. Following a universally hated manager is always something of a boon to a new man in.

I'm not suggesting Frank was arriving into a cakewalk but I struggle a bit with embracing this idea that he saved us when actually he did not really improve our standing at all. He underperformed with that squad just as badly as Benitez did.


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