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England 3 - 0 Bosnia-Herzegovina

Jarrad Branthwaite came on as one of five England substitutes to make his debut in Newcastle tonight just after Cole Palmer had put the Three Lions ahead against Bosnia-Herzegovina from the penalty spot. 

It had been a largely turgid display typical of Southgate's moribund management of what are claimed to be the best set of England players he has yet been gifted. 

Branthwaite picked up a rather harsh yellow card for his part on a soft clash of heads with an opposition player.


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Brian Harrison
1 Posted 03/06/2024 at 10:12:16
I see the press are speculating that with Maguire and Stones unavailable for tonight's friendly that Southgate will play Guehi and Dunk as the centre-backs.

I find it strange that he selected Branthwaite for the last set of friendlies and didn't give him a minute and, with only one friendly left after tonight before the Euros start, it seems Branthwaite is just there to make up the numbers.

The good thing is he won't get injured playing for England and he will be fit and raring to go come the start of the season. But on a personal note, if he doesn't get any minutes tonight he will be very disappointed.

Brian Williams
2 Posted 03/06/2024 at 10:43:56
If Jarrad Branthwaite doesn't start tonight, Southgate wants stuffing with a rag man's trumpet!
Jack Convery
3 Posted 03/06/2024 at 12:23:58
Perhaps Southgate won't pick him, as he believes he may be the next Man Utd manager and playing him will put the price up. How's that for a conspiracy theory?

A manager who can't get the best out of Foden definitely needs stuffing. Southgate is yet to do it.

Tom Bowers
4 Posted 03/06/2024 at 12:44:25
Don't care what Southgate does, he just wings it.

He is blessed with a nucleus of class players that England haven't had for many years. He just listens to the press and the idiots at Sky most of the time.

Rob Jones
5 Posted 03/06/2024 at 12:57:34
As a Welshman, I can definitely relate to how English fans feel about Southgate, on both sides of the debate.

Like Rob Page, Southgate has access to a set of good, young, attacking-minded players that previous managers have rarely had access to. But both managers manage very pragmatically, favouring a strong defensive foundation, rather than going on the offensive. The football is rarely inspired.

But both have also achieved results which have rarely been matched by predecessors, so can rightly argue that they're fulfilling the remit set by their bosses.

From the outside looking in, I do think Southgate is harshly treated by the English fans. He's revitalised the national side, reunited the side with the fans, when historically it's been hard to like the England team, because of dickhead players and awful rah-rah fans you just want to slap.

But I also think it's time for him to go, because there's little more for him to achieve, and it would be interesting to see a more attack-minded coach take charge of the players you have.

Brian Williams
6 Posted 03/06/2024 at 19:36:26
Where can I post about how much of a fuckin' knobhead Southgate is?

If I was Jarrad, I'd tell him "Listen, I'm off home for a rest and a holiday you numpty."

Dunk picked before Jarrad? What the fuck? Anyone watch him against Belgium? He was crap!

Paul Hewitt
7 Posted 03/06/2024 at 19:39:51

I'd be surprised if Jarrad actually went to the Euros.

Jay Harris
8 Posted 03/06/2024 at 19:41:00
Hopefully he will give Jarrad the second half, Brian.

He would be a fool not too with Maguire and Shaw injured and off form.

Paul Ferry
9 Posted 03/06/2024 at 19:43:10
You got that trumpet handy Brian!

Some good old-fashioned anti-England Home Championship evils from Rob Jones there.

What are "awful rah-rah fans"?

Paul Ferry
10 Posted 03/06/2024 at 19:47:25
Wonder how the thick skunks will treat Jordan tonight?
Paul Ferry
11 Posted 03/06/2024 at 19:50:54
England's shirts are "dark raisin".
Robert Tressell
12 Posted 03/06/2024 at 19:59:47
I've lost track of injuries but I wouldn't have Konsa, Dunk, Guehi or Bowen in my squad for the Euros.
Andy Crooks
13 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:03:22
Paul# 7. I loved Alf Ramsey's England. I actually think that the team that went out to Poland, who were a top team, by the way, were better than the team that won the world in 1966. I actually think the 1970 team were vastly superior. Anyway, shit, forget why I started this post.

Oh yeah, it's the friendlies I hate, the relentless, meaningless fucking dirges that got my late granddad a cap at the age of 92 under Sven.

Why not bring back the home international competition, which Northern Ireland have held the title for generations?

Bring back competitive football where the Celts can kick the almighty fuck out of England and bring an edge to football.
It was a wonderful tournament where I saw George Best beat Scotland on his own when Evertonians David Clements scored the winner in. 1-0 win.

In fact, have Scotland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland Ireland and Merseyside have a competition.

Dave Cashen
14 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:10:34
Most of the Geordie crowd look like they've been catching bullets with their teeth.
Rob Halligan
15 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:15:14
Dave # 14…….Most of the Geordie crowd are just fucking thick!!
Paul Ferry
16 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:15:52
Loved the old home internationals, Andy. They actually meant something. Man City would walk the home internationals today!
Dave Cashen
17 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:25:46
You've got a bit of a soft spot or those Geordies, Rob.

I can tell…

Brian Williams
18 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:28:10
Well I've put a piece of wood I found in the garage, next to the telly. I gave it a coat of gloss, the wood not the telly, so I can compare watching England and watching fuckin' paint dry.

The paint is edging it so far.

Paul Ferry
19 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:29:01
I got two slugs in a race off Brian.
Brian Williams
20 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:29:50
Paul Ferry
21 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:30:16
This is shit. What the fuck has Southgate learnt from this that we didn't know already?

It's players like Jarrad who actually need testing. Harrogate wanker.

Paul Ferry
22 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:33:04
A shot! A shot!
Paul Hewitt
23 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:34:13
Well that was a crap 45 minutes.
Paul Ferry
24 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:35:50
That team performance is an insult to "world in motion".
Neil Copeland
25 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:47:47
My attention has been watching the grass at the front of the house.
Danny O’Neill
26 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:48:11
It's a good job this isn't at Tottenham. Then you'd really see Rob kick off!!
Paul Ferry
27 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:48:26
No changes, wanker.
Neil Copeland
28 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:50:31
Danny, big club my arse!
Luke Welch
29 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:57:35
Watkins is very poor on the international level, but Palmer looks like he belongs there.
Paul Ferry
30 Posted 03/06/2024 at 20:58:31
That Tottenham ground is like a plaster on a bleeding cut; something nice in a shithole of an area/location.

Bramley Moore, on the other hand, is the jewel of the crown of what Joseph Conrad called the world's greatest waterfront.

Paul Ferry
31 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:01:59
Penalty seems right in this fecking dirge of a match.
Michael Kenrick
32 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:04:28
Big blonde lad looks familiar
Paul Ferry
33 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:04:33
Paul Ferry
34 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:05:15
Wharton will destroy France and Germany in the Euros.
Michael Kenrick
35 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:06:46
Astounding first touch launches dynamic England surge upfield!
Paul Ferry
36 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:08:02
Sounds like a headline that.
Paul Ferry
37 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:14:55
Gomez why?
Rob Halligan
38 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:16:06
Gomez…….i give up!
Peter Mills
39 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:16:28
Judging by the number of times “Trent” and his vision have been mentioned, I’m guessing the rs are looking to sell him.
Rob Halligan
40 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:17:54
Is Aaron Ramsdale preparing to come on? Putting his boots on.
Rob Halligan
41 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:19:15
Or was he trying to work out which is his left boot and his right boot?

Very harsh yellow for Jarrad.

Rob Halligan
42 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:24:59
Dave, they haven’t got a brain cell amongst them. That’s probably bring unkind to a brain cell, mentioning them and Geordies in the same sentence.
Billy Shears
43 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:27:12
I didn't even know about this game, how's it going, Blues?

Agree with many about the Home Internationals, just add The Republic of Ireland to the mix... job done!

Paul Ferry
44 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:29:33
Isn't Trent sooooooo wonderful.
Rob Halligan
45 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:29:37
Well, no gentle applause in this household for that second England goal.
Rob Halligan
46 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:33:50
Yeeeesssss, great finish by Kane for number three. Smashed home from three yards! 😁😁😁😁
Paul Ferry
47 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:39:28
Am I the only person alive who fucking hates "Sweet bastard Caroline"?
Michael Kenrick
48 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:39:30
I was thinking Jarrad rarely gets himself booked but I'm seeing eight yellow cards last season.

And of course he was suspended for the Burnley game.

Too much of a risk… drop him, Gareth.

Paul Ferry
49 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:40:53
Icing on the cake Rob. What a team this England is. 😁
Danny O’Neill
50 Posted 03/06/2024 at 21:59:21
I'll watch the Euros, but I don't care for England.

Anthony Hawkins
51 Posted 03/06/2024 at 22:01:36
No mention of Branthwaite or Eberechi Eze in the post match reporting although main focus was purely on the three goal scorers.

No mention by Southgate either.

Brian Wilkinson
52 Posted 03/06/2024 at 22:05:36
What is this love-in with Palmer? He knocks a penalty in… other than that, he was hardly in the game.

Not one mention of Branthwaite drawing two defenders away from Kane for his goal – or not a single misplaced pass from him.

I'd like to see Branthwaite start the next game; if Dunk or Maguire get the nod before Branthwaite for the 26, I give up.

Brian Wilkinson
53 Posted 03/06/2024 at 22:17:10
On another note, Football Cops on Channel 4 now is a damn sight better than the dross on before it.
Paul Kossoff
54 Posted 03/06/2024 at 22:31:30
If England play Iike that in the Euros, it will be bye-bye quickly. They are bang average, the Trent Arnold show, every bloody chance to name him they did.

Branthwaite comes on, one header, criticism right away. He's inexperienced, he needs more experience, but he'll learn.

Learn so he's as good as cart-horse Dunk, oh okay.

Rob Jones
55 Posted 03/06/2024 at 22:43:18
No, Paul, you're not. It's fucking awful.
Tom Bowers
56 Posted 03/06/2024 at 23:02:51
The only good thing was the result (totally expected) and Jarrad's first appearance.

I did like Eze early on but Gallagher is not up to snuff and is no better than Garner.

On reflection, it was a disjointed performance against an unrated team and obviously needs huge improvement to do well at the Euros.

Paul Kossoff
57 Posted 03/06/2024 at 23:26:06
Jack 3.

Here's a conspiracy theory, the man in the moon ate all the green cheese. Now I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but if the man in the moon isn't in residence then who the fuck ate it?

Peter Warren
58 Posted 03/06/2024 at 23:41:45
I'm not biased but, out of 3 best centre-back partnerships this season, you have 3 Englishmen being Stones, who is absolute star quality, Tarkowski and Branthwaite.

Sure you'd take the partnership of Everton's even if you thought likely they'd be back-up to Stones and Maguire when comparing other non-existent and equally inexperienced options (at international level) of Dunk and Guehi.

The fact they have had so many clean sheets in a crap team is phenomenal and they also play with England's Number 1, it's unbelievable they're not, at minimum, 3rd and 4th picks for England centre-back.

If I had to pick one Everton centre-back to go to the Euros currently, it would be Tarkowski… but any normal manager would surely take both.

Kieran Kinsella
59 Posted 03/06/2024 at 00:06:53
Selfishly I hope Jarrad doesn't go as playing will increase the odds of injury after his first high-level full season and also will draw more attention to him from vultures.

But clearly Southgate's selections are bewildering. For several years, fans and pundits have said Liverpool need to invest in a decent centre-back alongside Van Dijk. So how the guy failing to hold down that place behind the guy failing to perform is somehow in the England squad is beyond me.

As for Gallagher, yeah, he stood out at Crystal Palace with his long hair and some nice 30-yarders but, in that respect, he's a modern Jimmy Bullard and no more. Saka has proven himself over time but it's only now Southgate seems to be giving a chance to his Northern contemporary Foden.

Meanwhile, the likes of Dier and Winks have amassed more caps than Josh Wander on the basis they play for Tottenham.

Ed Prytherch
60 Posted 04/06/2024 at 00:25:14
Jarrad saw the funny side of his yellow card for a clash of heads.

He smiled and rubbed his forehead and the other guy went down like he had been hit by the jib of a crane. I never stop liking him.

James Edwards
61 Posted 04/06/2024 at 01:39:34
Jarrad becomes the 72nd Everton player to make his debut for the England.

Well done, lad!

Jack Convery
62 Posted 04/06/2024 at 01:40:07
And another £10M added to the fee. A well-deserved first cap and not before time.

Paul Ferry @47. No! A pile of Dunk.

James Edwards
63 Posted 04/06/2024 at 01:41:15
Sorry, missed our player…

Time for bed.

Steve Brown
64 Posted 04/06/2024 at 03:05:20
Having Southgate in charge is like putting a rickshaw driver at the wheel of the Rolls-Royce.

Watching him trying to tactically process Croatia and Italy taking over the game in recent tournaments was painful. Blimey, this isn't good, shit a goal, get stretching Jordan.

As for Trent, he sounds like a pop star and as a right back he plays like one.

Kieran Kinsella
65 Posted 04/06/2024 at 03:37:21

Years ago, I read an article the FA had called in some kind of NFL psychologist to assess the mentality of players. The idea being that in the NFL they believe that being a winner is partly mental.

Anyway, the NFL shrink said Southgate would never have been picked in the NFL because of his overly negative and defeatist outlook. This article made headlines after his penalty miss in 1996.

Watching his meek surrender to Italy, Croatia, and France, it's evident that he still has the mentality of the Monty Python character Arthur Pewtey who, among other things was cuckolded by Eric Idle before God dropped a 100-ton weight on him to punish him for his submissiveness.

Brian Cleveland
66 Posted 04/06/2024 at 04:32:38
Oh, was there a game today?

Had no idea, seriously. I guess that's how important it was...

Danny O’Neill
67 Posted 04/06/2024 at 06:11:42
I got bored at 1 - 0, so switched off.

I'm sure it means a lot for Jarrad, so pleased for him.

Andy Crooks, yes. I would like to see the introduction of the Home Nations competition, with the inclusion of Eire.

It would be far more meaningful than these pointless friendlies.

I'd probably be rooting for Northern Ireland!!

Shaun Parker
68 Posted 04/06/2024 at 06:47:45
Personally I couldn't care less about any of the international teams.

I can understand players wanting to play for their country but, for me, keep them at home, get them rested (mind and body) and prepared for the next season ahead.

Tony Abrahams
69 Posted 04/06/2024 at 08:13:12
Very Interesting post, Kieran.

I'd say England have been in the highest tier for a few years now but there definitely still seems to be too much caution in their makeup and this looks like it stems from the manager.

Derek Knox
70 Posted 04/06/2024 at 08:23:29
Tony A and others, I do follow the England matches despite being a Scot, well all football really. I totally agree as regards Southgate being too conservative, why have a squad of 23 and keep picking the same 11 barring injury?

Even if they or an individual has been poor for a game, they get picked next match if fit. It must be discouraging for fringe players who know they are better but have little chance of getting a sniff.

Brian W @ 2, you will be pleased to learn, the the Ragman's Trumpet Vaseline Order to Mr G Southgate was eventually cancelled, due to his late inclusion of Jarrad! :-)

Dave Abrahams
71 Posted 04/06/2024 at 08:32:24
I remember a story about Stan Collymore and Southgate, chalk and cheese, when they played together at Aston Villa.

Southgate was giving Collymore a bit of advice, or trying to, about his behaviour and Stan telling him what to do with that advice.

I think the future England manager wished he had kept his mouth shut because the rest of the dressing room were in bulk laughing at Collymore's response!!

Dave Cashen
72 Posted 04/06/2024 at 08:55:56
It's unusual for a national team to be viewed with the apathy, even hostility the England team gets from it's own people.

The Jocks, the Irish, the Northern Irish and the Taffs will fanatically support their teams to the ends of the earth. The Dutch, the Germans and virtually every other country in Europe get right behind their teams. The South Americans are passionate and I personally know two Yanks who would step on their mothers' graves to see the US of A lift the World Cup.

I originally thought it was a Scouse thing ("We're not English"), but this hostility comes from Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds too. Even here in die-hard middle England, there is growing apathy and resentment towards the national team.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the Euros. It'll be so nice to watch football without the panic attacks or fear of heart attack. I'm looking forward to casting a discerning eye over Europe's elite.

Here's the scary thing; I think "We'll" win it.

Brian Harrison
73 Posted 04/06/2024 at 09:40:57
Dave @72,

Like you,I have never understood why we don't back our national team the way other countries do. I know some fans think England play too many games in London but most national teams play in their capital cities.

As for the game itself, I can never understand why England players under various managers never seem to play with the pace and intensity that they play at every week in the Premier league. Last night, for the last 30 minutes, they did up the pace and the intensity.

I also think we have a great chance of winning the Euros but only if Southgate makes them play the way they do for their clubs. I think in Foden and Bellingham they have got two players who would get into any international team, and I am excited to see the impact they will have in the competition.

I thought Eze did enough to be included in the squad, while being a bit biased, I would definitely take Branthwaite but it seems with playing Dunk and Guehi ahead of Jarrad then he will take them as back-up to Maguire and Stones.

Paul Washington
74 Posted 04/06/2024 at 09:41:30
Radio Merseyside this morning commented on Branthwaite's debut with a line about increasing his transfer value!

Paul F #47 yes, it's one nauseous tune.

Danny O’Neill
75 Posted 04/06/2024 at 09:47:08
Dave, I watch international football, I've just never done the England thing since a young age. Partly my family background.

But also scarred by my first encounter going to watch England in Luxembourg away, way back. I was only about 10.

England supporters fighting amongst each other on the terraces. I think it was a combination of Chelsea, West Ham and Newcastle supporters

Then riots and overturned cars on the streets as we headed back to the main station. Even the poor Nuns got it as they came out to try and appease the baying masses. Total abuse.

And I have to sit and watch with the England fanbase in London. They are awful. It's a London / South-East thing in my opinion.

I'll watch them, but won't support them. I don't support any international team. I just watch.

Neil Lawson
76 Posted 04/06/2024 at 09:53:52
I cannot get any enthusiasm watching England.

It's too much like watching Everton at Molyneux.

Danny O’Neill
77 Posted 04/06/2024 at 10:12:50
For those who do follow England, I've always thought it would be a better idea to take the team to different parts of the country and reach out.

Okay, last night they were up in Newcastle for a meaningless friendly. But the centre of gravity for important fixtures remains Wembley.

Germany has traditionally taken the nation team to the country, playing in different stadiums.

I see England's opening match is at the Veltins Arena in Gelsenkirchen (Schalke). That may be a date in the diary.

Alan McGuffog
78 Posted 04/06/2024 at 11:56:35
Like many on here, I'm not over-enthusiastic about the English football team. I don't buy into the "not English, Scouse" chauvinism by the way.

My beef is with the media. The moronic xenophobic shite peddled by the red tops... feckin Gazza with a tin hat, references to the bloody war, all that stuff. Just made me so pleased when San Marino, was it, took the lead inside the first minute.

And so it's started again... apparently Bellingham et al will deliver a trophy, no danger. We'll see.

Tom Bowers
79 Posted 04/06/2024 at 12:27:02
Picking the English team is a farce and, much like the Birthday Honors List, has lost its prestige.

Yes, there will always be the shoo-ins that everyone agrees with but many others will be the personal choice of the manager and, at the moment, Southgate is as poor as they come.

He is mostly swayed by the press and doesn't seem to have a plan. His comments after yesterday's game were confusing, to say the least.

They were expected to beat Bosnia-Herzegovina but not wait until the 85th minute to make sure.

Bowen and Watkins, like many others, are good at league level but struggle on the World stage.

Hopefully Southgate will have his preferred line-up starting the final warm-up game and we shall see what they are really made of… but somehow, even if they win that one, I doubt they will do well when the fighting starts for real.

Anthony Hawkins
80 Posted 04/06/2024 at 13:15:53
The fans and especially the media always go into these events touting England as a top challenger, often with inflated odds. England haven't been a real contender for the final since '86 or possibly '90.

The team looks good in the qualifiers and the friendlies but when they come up against a proper challenge such as Italy, Germany or Portugal, they capitulate and their lack of quality shines through.

I don't want to guess who Southgate will end up taking as he has his favourites regardless of form or suitability for the team.

Addressing the question about why are certain players being selected for friendlies – half the time it's to block them playing for another country and likely no future intent to pick them again.

Anthony Dove
81 Posted 04/06/2024 at 13:22:42
It certainly makes it more interesting watching England
when we have player(s) involved. Our defence is a real
concern with a number of Jack of all trades (useless in a variety of positions) defenders likely to be involved, as well as Maguire.

Can't fathom how the Neanderthal Dunk and the unfit
Guehi are ahead of Jarrad in the pecking order. Fingers crossed he will still make the final 26.

Kieran Kinsella
82 Posted 06/06/2024 at 16:26:28
Grealish is out of the Euro squad apparently. Reminds me a bit of the scenario with Gazza in 1998. If you ignore injuries, dips in form, criminal cases etc and just think back about 3 years, who would have imaged then that Grealish, Rashford, Greenwood, Sterling, Madison, Dele Alli, all in their "prime" would be surplus to requirements?

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