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Updated Newcastle United appeared to have followed up on their long-standing interest in Dominic Calvert-Lewin but reports now say that they have called off their pursuit of the Everton player.

The Telegraph had reported over the weekend that the Magpies were working in talks trying to agree terms with both parties but the player was said to be keen and there was confidence in the northeast that a deal can be done.

Paul Joyce of The Times suggests that the Blues are looking for around £35m to £37m for the striker while Luke Edwards of The Telegraph pegged it in excess of £40m and he claims that Everton's refusal to lower their demands ultimately scuppered any chance of a deal.

Sky Sports and a number of other outlets are also saying that any proposed move by Newcastle for Calvert-Lewin is now "off".

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The 27-year-old is entering the final 12 months of his contract at Everton and has a tempting offer on the table to extend his stay but he also represents a potential profit for the Blues should he elect to move on rather than sign new terms.

So far, the Club have yet to receive an official bid but Chelsea and West Ham are also said to have registered their interest and AC Milan are now in the hunt as they seek a replacement for Olivier Giroud.

It was thought that the talks between Everton and Newcastle could see Yankuba Minteh go the other way and Fabrizio Romano claims that the 19-year-old Gambian winger has informed his club that Goodison Park is his preferred destination because he wants to play in the Premier League.

He spent last season on loan at Feyenoord and has one other serious suitor according to the Telegraph report. That club is believed to be Roma who have been linked with a €30m move while Marseille and Borussia Dortmund are also in the mix and Lyon are now said to have registered concrete interest.

Indeed, the player's agent, Bakary Bojang tells Chronicle Live that Minteh has already agreed personal terms with one club and that the situation now rests with Newcastle to agree a deal with the purchaser which is not thought to be Everton.

 

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Stephen Davies
1 Posted 22/06/2024 at 11:26:34
Newcastle United closing in on Dominic Calvert-Lewin signing…

Exclusive: A fee is still being negotiated, but there is confidence that a deal can be struck

Frank Crewe
2 Posted 22/06/2024 at 11:44:02
I suppose if Calvert-Lewin sees himself as Isak's understudy it will be a good move. But at Everton he has no competition and is always our first-choice striker. But if we get decent money for him so be it. But I think it's just paper talk.

But I just can't see Newcastle paying a big transfer fee and premium wages to a striker who won't be first choice. Unless they are planning to sell Isak of course. But there have been no indications of that.

Brian Williams
3 Posted 22/06/2024 at 12:02:38
First signing confirmed! That's the good news!

For me, if Calvert-Lewin goes, that's bad news!

Striker out winger in (if the Newcastle swap has any legs) meaning Beto might be our first choice striker, frightening.

Christy Ring
4 Posted 22/06/2024 at 13:44:58
Considering he's the best striker we have, in my opinion, Beto not good enough, he'd be a massive loss, and if he's sold, we definitely need to sign a top striker.

Bob Parrington
5 Posted 22/06/2024 at 13:53:39
Christie, I agree regarding DCL but we might benefit from selling him and buying a more ruthless, strong and agressive nr9 as long as we build a team that provides scoring opportunities.
Tony Abrahams
6 Posted 22/06/2024 at 14:03:35
I got a text off a lad the other day saying this was going to happen, and just hope we have got someone lined up if it happens.

It will be interesting to see how Dominic does in a team where he will not be the only genuine centre forward, and not forced to play every game unless he’s 100% fit, so maybe it’s time for him to move on for his own career

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
7 Posted 22/06/2024 at 14:27:45
With Dobbin and DCL then we have not need to sell Branthwaite or Onana

Dobbin will be pure profit.
DCL joined in 2016 so again his £1,5m fee is fully written off.
Even Ben Godfrey is in the books at only £10m - £7m as I suspect he never qualified for the add ons.

Looking good - provided we can get a team together.

DCL for me is a great target man but not a fox in the box. He makes the team play well and makes the team score goals, not someone who scores a lot (except under Carlo).

Michael Lynch
8 Posted 22/06/2024 at 14:49:06
I love DCL, but a move to Newcastle might be good for him personally. He won't be first choice for every game, but he'll get on the pitch and will be challenging for trophies and European football - something he's unlikely to get at Everton.

Also hope Ndiaye comes, but Dyche does love a big target man, which would mean Beto up top more often than not. Doesn't fill me with hope for the season, I have to be honest.

Brian Williams
9 Posted 22/06/2024 at 14:56:26
One site saying Everton looking for £20m for DCL.
Am I the only one thinking that's a fucking ridiculous price?
Almost as ridiculous as United's offer for JB.
Brian Williams
10 Posted 22/06/2024 at 15:02:34
If DCL goes and Beto is our number nine for next season I predict people will then realise the huge difference in ability between the two. Gutted if it happens.

We got £15m for Barkley. If DCL is not worth more than double that then something is very wrong.

Michael Lynch
11 Posted 22/06/2024 at 15:11:18
I don't think DCL is going to feel the love in Geordieland looking at the fans' response to the rumour, they are less than amused! I think they'll be surprised by how good he can be, but all they're seeing right now is injuries and a lack of goals.

Fair enough I suppose, but I still think he'd be a decent signing for them - his hold up play and spring-loaded leap, together with their pacey wingers and midfield could be a marriage made in heaven.

Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 22/06/2024 at 15:15:34

I remember skunks fans were slagging off Gordon when they signed him but that seems to have all changed now. If DCL impresses they'll love him.

Brian Williams
13 Posted 22/06/2024 at 15:17:07
While we, Michael, will see carthorse Beto have passes bouncing off him all over the place.
DCL is a fine footballer and some of the things he does somehoe go unseen by Evertonians.
Put it this way I've seen DCL do things Beto won't even be brass necked enough to dream about doing.
Raymond Fox
14 Posted 22/06/2024 at 15:45:30
Remains to be seen what happens, if it weakens us I don't like it.
I personally don't care if it is better for CL or not or what the Newcastle fans think.

Ryan Holroyd
15 Posted 22/06/2024 at 15:46:22
100 per cent Brian. Everton can’t go into the new season with donkey Beto up front
John Wilson
16 Posted 22/06/2024 at 15:54:23
DCL for that winger is us getting our pants pulled down.

What the heck are Everton doing, whilst DCL is not Lukaku, and many of our fans said he wasn't good enough too, to replace DCL for our number 9, let's just say I wouldn't trust Thelwell and co. Remember the other one he got from Wolves and the winger cliche Dyche didn't like. This PPR is nuts for the risks we're taking, 1) Dobbin and now 2) DCL, a proper number 9. It feels like Thelwell has not considered the PPR tactics biting him on the arse.

Christy Ring
17 Posted 22/06/2024 at 15:54:52
We should be doing our best to keep Calvert-Lewin, but with 12mths left on his contract, if he won't sign, there's not much we can do, but nothing less than £35m. If he goes to Newcastle, he won't know himself, just having to play upfront, instead of playing all over the field, including defense, which he had to do for us. Hopefully Mourinho will take Beto off our hands, and we can also get rid of Maupay, and spend big on a no.9, but Dom would be a massive loss.
Jim Bennings
18 Posted 22/06/2024 at 15:59:19
Probably feels like he needs a fresh start.
It's sometimes passed people by that he's been at Everton since August 2016 and he's at an age and a stage of his career now here this is his last big move and also our last chance of a payday.

We will absolutely need to sign a number one striker however if he leaves and it will need to be someone that is capable of hitting the ground running, not another Beto or Chermiti.

Bill Gall
19 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:02:09
I thought we had got over stupid mistakes, but letting DCL go would be another one. He proved what his capabilities are in the Derby game. And prior to that game the games he played he never seemed fully fit. We all complained when he wasn't fit. Beto is not the answer if DCL is sold, and to replace him, the transfer fee quoted for him would not cover the cost to replace him.
Brian Williams
20 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:02:21
I bet you if DCL goes there he'll be back in the England squad by Christmas (not that I'd wish that on anyone).
John Wilson
21 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:03:43
We should have got in DCL's number 9 replacement before letting him go. I bet Dan Friedkin hasn't had a say in this. This is a Moshiri type decision..
John Wilson
22 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:06:45
DCL has been prancing about in handbags and other stuff whilst being paid stupid money from us. You would think he would consider us in his decision. Or Dyche had got the very breakable man back to a player for its sake. All of this protection for Branthwaite has gotten cultish, ergo no balance in our decision making.
Kieran Kinsella
23 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:12:13
I keep reading rumors in the Italian press of various teams "lining up 30 million" bids for Beto but sadly I suspect they are untrue.
Jim Bennings
24 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:12:36
John 18

When do we ever sign a replacement first?
This is Everton mate lol.

We did the exact same thing when we flogged Lukaku in 2017.
Sold him then didn't have a clue who was replacing him or when.

John Raftery
25 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:13:39
£20m is not a terrible price for a player with only a year left on his contract and with a record of injury problems. I suppose those who have always regarded DCL as ‘Championship at best’ will expect him to be easily replaced. I hope that proves to be the case. I suspect it may not.
Ryan Holroyd
26 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:17:56
So John Wilson, Everton should let DCL leave for free next season? Is that what you're saying?

Also DCL can't wear what he likes outside of working hours?

Mike Doyle
27 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:18:54
Bill #16] I’m sure the club don’t want DCL to leave. The problem is that if DCL refuses the new offer the only choice the club has is
1) sell him, or
2) keep him and watch him leave on a free next June.
I suspect we can really afford option 2.
Eric Myles
28 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:25:43
John # 18, what a stupid comment, of course Friedkin hasn't had a say in it, he doesn't own our Club so is not entitled to have a say in anything.

Moshiri does own EFC, but I doubt he's very interested in the comings and goings at this moment in time.

So any DCL move will be purely down to Thelwell and Dyche.

Dave Abrahams
29 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:27:19
John (22), Good post John, unfortunately only twelve months left on his contract reduces Dominic’s value dramatically, a good player for me, Everton are not pushing him out of the door they have offered him a new contract so it is up to Dominic what happens next, I’d like him to stay but wish him well whatever materialises in the future.
Christy Ring
30 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:28:00
John#19 That's the kind of immature comment that infuriates me on ToffeeWeb about Dom. What he does off the field is his business, and you then say ' he should consider us in his decision'!
There's no way we can buy a striker of Dom's quality for £15m/£20m, remember we bought Maupay for £15m. I don't mind taking the young winger from Newcastle, but who does he cross it too, the limited quality of Beto or Chermiti?
Eric Myles
31 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:35:17
Dave #26, and I hope that the Club are pressuring him to make an early decision because a transfer before 30 June could well help our PSR position.

Maybe that's why the price is a little lowish also?

Kieran Kinsella
32 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:39:46
Does anyone have an educated guess as to how much we need to raise by 30 June for the PSR?
Joe McMahon
33 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:39:51
I agree with Bob. He's a very good when fit, but we need a real goalscorer upto as its in the Everton DNA is one isolated striker.
Robert Tressell
34 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:42:02
Watching Harry Kane lumbering about ineffectively in an England side with little or no pace on the flanks to run in behind, is a really good reminder of just what a hard task DCL has been performing for Everton.

He will be extremely hard to replace with a striker who is better at that isolated role. He will be extremely hard to replace with a striker who is as good now (albeit he could be replaced with a striker who could become better in 2 to 3 seasons).

Beto is clearly not as good. Chermiti is promising but probably needs a season on loan somewhere to develop.

The sensible thing to do is offer him a new contract and hopes he takes it.

John Wilson
35 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:45:45
Christy, whilst getting paid for modelling handbags and stuff, he still was getting paid circa probably circa £100,000 a week. We are trying to keep the lights on -- on our club at the moment. I don't really care what DCL does off the field, I was just making the point that we have paid him to get his body fixed and Dyche deserves credit for that, but now apparently he's off and some on here our wishing Dom God speed (salutes). Maybe we're a refuge for broken players, ergo Deli. This is not some woke movie, on the contrary, this is about our continued existence.
Ajay Gopal
36 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:51:00
Let me be the first to say this - I think this is Friedkin paving the way for Tammy Abraham to come in from Roma, with probably Beto going the other way.
Kieran Kinsella
37 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:51:50
John Wilson,

There is another side to that equation. He was basically injured for two years which is why we probably didn't offer him a new contract sooner. Just as with Barkley when he had a dip in form we held off from giving him a new deal but then got upset when left for a nominal fee as his contract ran down. If we had offered him a new deal last summer then we wouldn't be in this spot. But we didn't -- probably wisely -- based on how the situation appeared at the time. But, luckily for both parties he got fit. Had he not then its entirely possible his playing days would be over.

Brian Williams
38 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:53:06
Jeez if people think DCL is injury prone get ready for Abraham if that's true.
And where's the sense in bringing in one striker and getting rid of two?
Rob Jones
39 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:55:02
Idiotic, homophobic adjacent remarks about DCL. I thought we'd left that rubbish behind two years ago.

Also, Abraham isn't "injury prone", he just had A really bad injury.

Brian Williams
40 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:55:05
Kieran#29.
Yes.
Nowt if Dobbin goes to Villa.
Ajay Gopal
41 Posted 22/06/2024 at 16:56:21
Brian, it could be all about balancing the books. Maybe, Dyche will try to get in Broja on loan from Chelsea (yeah, another player who has had his injury problems), but who knows?
Shaun Parker
42 Posted 22/06/2024 at 17:01:11
I do like DCl,

I think he’s an excellent SF, but he doesn’t score enough goals.

Granted the supply he gets it’s nothing short of shite, but I do feel he still is not the full article.

I doubt we will rely on Beto, I fell we will replace DCL with a better version.

Good luck to him if he goes, he had led our line very well.

Dave Abrahams
43 Posted 22/06/2024 at 17:01:20
Robert (31, Robert if your last line is referring to DCL then we have offered Dominic a new contract and he has turned it down.
Jack Convery
44 Posted 22/06/2024 at 17:23:46
After the reception he got, after being laid out by Martinez, in the Villa game and having his cheekbone re-arranged, I'm not surprised he wants to go. He's mentioned that reaction from some of the fans, on a few occasions since. Boos for going off with a fractured cheekbone.

12 months left on his contract, so no surprise it's only £20m. If Branthwaite only had 12 months to go, Manure would have offered less then £35m, much less.

We just need to get a decent striker in to replace, whether Tammy Abrahams fits that description, I'm not so sure. The lad at Luton would be my preference - can't remember his name but he scored against us at their place.

On another note - Go and get Coufal on a free for RB next season. Forget his age, he's as fit as a Dyche Bull Terrier.

Sam Hoare
45 Posted 22/06/2024 at 17:25:47
Minteh coming the other way? That would be very interesting! Rapid winger who lit erede Last season at only 19.

Apparently DCL wants to leave, if he won't sign a new contract then selling him is 100% the right decision.

I also think it's possible people have (as usual) written off Beto a bit prematurely. Yes he will be frustrating and the ball may bounce off him at times but if he gets a run of games I reckon he may well surprise a few. He'll get more goals than DCL did last season if first choice.

Jay Harris
47 Posted 22/06/2024 at 17:43:02
Taking emotion out of it we would be able to get a better replacement getting 35m for him now than getting nothing for him next year.

I am disappointed he wont sign the new contract after the way Dyche has looked after him but as stated it is better to get 35m towards a replacement than nothing next year.

Clive Rogers
49 Posted 22/06/2024 at 17:44:57
Robert, 31, “Chermiti is promising but probably needs a season on loan somewhere to develop”. True because Dyche either doesn’t play younger players at all or gives them the last few minutes. An example is Dobbin who will leave as he hasn’t been given a chance.
Jay Harris
50 Posted 22/06/2024 at 17:47:56
Jack, good shout. I think his name is Adebayo and he is a handful.
Liam Mogan
52 Posted 22/06/2024 at 17:53:20
No choice but to sell if he won't sign new contract. Clearly we'd need a replacement. Adebayo could be a decent option. Just can't see Beto being good enough despite his efforts.

Some strange posts though. Amazing how quickly personal agendas are raised on a football forum.

Danny O’Neill
53 Posted 22/06/2024 at 17:54:11
Well, if it's happening, just get it done, them we can move on.

17th August, there will be 11 players on the pitch wearing royal blue. I don't care who they are, we'll be roaring them on.

Brian Williams
55 Posted 22/06/2024 at 18:06:24
Danny did you ever wear the light blue helmet? 😉
Clive Rogers
56 Posted 22/06/2024 at 18:10:20
Kieran, 29, not sure how it is calculated, but in the last 3 seasons we have lost £255M and our transfer net spend is £73.9M. I would guess at least £50M to £60M. I don’t think we have to reduce the £255 to £105 million. There must be a formula based on those two figures.
Kieran Kinsella
57 Posted 22/06/2024 at 18:26:31
Clive

Cheers. That is the range I was assuming based on quoted fees for Onana and Branthwaite. Which means -- if true -- someone else will need to go even if we sell DCL and Dobbin. Maybe we can find a buyer for Maupay sharpish?

Jimmy Carr
58 Posted 22/06/2024 at 18:26:36
Bad if this is true. We just do not look the same team without DCL playing. He lifts everyone around him. It's not about scoring goals, his hold up play back to goal is top class, he is our best outball when we're under pressure, he's quality in the air and an excellent target man, a great athlete.

Of course, he's not a natural goal scorer and doesn't have much of a shot on him, but he is very skillful in other areas, leads us from the front and fits right into Dyche's ethos. I'll repeat what I said on another thread, in our current financial and ownership situation, any sales of our better players are worrying as it would seem we will only be getting inferior quality in as a replacement. DCL - much more than Branthwaite in my opinion - is key to how we currently play. I would be trying hard to avoid this if I was in Dyche's shoes. And I suspect he will.

Marc Hints
59 Posted 22/06/2024 at 18:29:02
I think DCL is swayed by Newcastle’s illustrious trophy cabinet and Saudi Arabia’s human rights record.
Marc Hints
60 Posted 22/06/2024 at 18:30:41
Glad to see him go as long as we get a decent replacement, he missed more than he scored
Peter Mills
61 Posted 22/06/2024 at 18:34:50
I am a fan of DCL, but if his transfer, together with that of Lewis Dobbin, and probably Onana, means we can keep Branthwaite for a couple of seasons, I would take it.

How confident am I of that being the case? Not very.

Barry Rathbone
62 Posted 22/06/2024 at 18:38:19
DCL is good for staying in the division his commitment and bustling is first class but his finishing piss poor, even allowing for scarcity of supply

If ambition extends beyond survival we need better up front and elsewhere but the question is are we brave enough to gamble on trading steady eddies like DCL in the hope of finding better?

The chance of glamour and excitement to "challenge" should be taken and he should go but I'm old school and think 90% of footy stats a joke (see what I did?) so what do I know?

Christy Ring
63 Posted 22/06/2024 at 18:48:03
If DCL doesn't want to sign a new contract, we have no choice but to sell him, but we definitely need to buy a top striker to replace him, because Beto isn't Premiership standard.


Craig Walker
64 Posted 22/06/2024 at 18:53:57
Some great memories. The Crystal Palace winner and obviously the derby goal. He was great during that spell under Ancelotti. Can be frustrating with his injuries and lack of form, at times. I can see how the barcodes would appeal to him.

I like the look of the young Ferguson at Brighton. He was less good last season but certainly has potential. Not sure he would come to us. Would like us to scout the next Toney rather than look at has-beens from other clubs.

I would wish Calvert-Lewin all the best though. He would leave under better circumstances than Gordon did.

Pete Ellingham
65 Posted 22/06/2024 at 18:58:20
I just can’t understand why any player would want to leave Everton. I am not from the area but have supported Everton all my life- Why? If I am honest with every proper, local Evertonian I don’t know. I just saw something in the club, the people, the passion, even when I was in primary school, Everton were just different, humble but incredible. I have been lucky enough to see Everton (us) (my girlfriend tells me off for that,so sorry if I offend anyone) at Goodison a few times now and flipping wow! The people…everyone that’s works with the club just oozes class and pride. If I was ever good enough or lucky enough to play for this beautiful club, I would have had to be dragged out before I left. I apologise, I have probably had one to many beers in the sun. I honestly just don’t understand why anyone would walk away.
Colin Glassar
67 Posted 22/06/2024 at 19:07:14
I’ll be gutted if DCL leaves. Along with Pickford he’s saved us from relegation two seasons in a row with his goals. The lad gets so much stick on here yet he gives his all every match he plays in. Sadly, I think we are repeating the Lukaku disaster if we don’t have a ready made replacement lined up.

John #43, stick to handing out pamphlets outside paddy’s market.

Andy Crooks
68 Posted 22/06/2024 at 19:18:31
I'd keep DCL ahead of Onana. And, because of the difference in fees, Branthwaite
Christy Ring
69 Posted 22/06/2024 at 19:23:12
Looking at what DCL does for us, running the channels, coming back to win headers in defence, his work rate is unreal, with the way Dyche plays, he's not just a striker, how do you replace him with them tactics?
Si Cooper
71 Posted 22/06/2024 at 20:03:09
I like the player but the facts are Dominic has had a difficult couple of years, including the unfortunate reaction to his substitution with a serious injury that wasn't apparent to frustrated fans, and has recently become a father.

If he fancies a different challenge whilst probably boosting his wages then it's sensible to let him leave.

Is it just the fee quoted or that plus the young winger? A fully recovered Tammy Abraham would be a good replacement and if Beto goes out and someone like Broja is snagged then I don't see we will be disadvantaged.

Dave Cashen
72 Posted 22/06/2024 at 20:05:25
Why would he stay ?

He takes dogs abuse from people who clearly don't understand what they are watching.

The Geordies will love him. Pay him more and with him in their ranks, they will challenge for CL football.

Ian Pilkington
73 Posted 22/06/2024 at 20:06:05
I was extremely alarmed when I first read this thread until I checked the Telegraph website and was not surprised to see that the reporter was Luke Edwards, “Northern Football Correspondent” who is as big a Barcodes fan as Chris Bascombe, their “Merseyside Football Correspondent” is an RS and equally unreliable.

If we have to make a sale to comply with PSR surely the inevitable departure of Onana will be enough.

How on earth could we replace DCL who now appears to be fully fit, for the derisory £20M reputedly offered by the Barcodes?

With just two other (unproven) strikers on the books, this story is preposterous.

Christy Ring
74 Posted 22/06/2024 at 20:14:25
Si, Broja went to Fulham, and they didn't play him, Albania have him on the bench, no thanks


Colin Glassar
75 Posted 22/06/2024 at 20:14:53
Dave, Ian, spot on. I’d keep him.
Kevin Hayes
80 Posted 22/06/2024 at 20:57:32
I have not posted here for a while, many good reasons why. I would prefer him to stay. I like him as a player and his positive attitude is good.

However, bottom line here for me is, if we offered an updated contract and he has declined, we have to sell rather loose him on a free. Simple economics and common sense.

John Charles
83 Posted 22/06/2024 at 21:16:10
A limited player who doesn’t want to stay.
All the best.
Thanks for the few good games and some great goals.
Built up to be far more than he is because the others we have are poor not because he is good.
Liam Mogan
84 Posted 22/06/2024 at 21:19:02
John Charles #80 - he's no John Charles that's for sure.

Apologies in advance

Billy Bradshaw
85 Posted 22/06/2024 at 21:22:46
John @ 80, that sounds about right.
kevin hayes
86 Posted 22/06/2024 at 21:24:10
No one of us really knows the true status of PSR within the club finances.

When the dust settles on 1 July, then we will have a clearer picture of what we can and can't afford!

Andy Crooks
87 Posted 22/06/2024 at 21:39:11
Billy @82,

Do you not fear the thought of finding a replacement, failing, and then... ending up with, Beto!?!

My God – he makes my late nan look like Billy Whizz.

Brian Williams
88 Posted 22/06/2024 at 21:50:27
Your nan was a great player mate. Respect. ⚽⚽⚽
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
89 Posted 22/06/2024 at 22:01:53
Let's put it in context:

Bernie Wright
Brett Angell
Beto

Rank them in descending order of capability. And I am leaving out Andy Crooks's nan as her angel wings will give her an unfair advantage on getting up for headers.

Iakovos Iasonidis
91 Posted 22/06/2024 at 22:09:21
Never rated him much to be honest...

I always thought it was criminal to have him as our main Number 9 for so many years. He is a good sub though and idealy I wouldn't want him to go but if the price is right with 1 year left to his contract

Him not signing an extension... well, good luck to the boy! Obviously we need a solid replacement...

Billy Shears
92 Posted 22/06/2024 at 22:09:38
As we all know, it's player power these days that forces a move away. Let's see if he gets us a good price for us... we need to change it up with our forwards, as it's sheer speed that is key now in today's football.

Let's us look for young pacy lads from the lower leagues and across Europe too... there must be a few bargains out there!

Tom Bowers
93 Posted 22/06/2024 at 22:11:13
He had one good season but injuries have kept him out for too many games and getting some good money for him now may seem a better option if the rumour is true.
Jeff Armstrong
94 Posted 22/06/2024 at 22:16:36
I love DCL but maybe it’s time.

Thanks for the fantastic goals against the RS . Thanks for toughing it out on the wing in the early years, not your natural position, and sorry we never came up with a song for you in 8 years, nearly got there with Bella Ciao but not quite,

If Dom does go he’ll get a Mckenzie like reception when he returns, unlike Gordon and Rooney.

I think it’s time.

Maybe Friedkin can bring Rom back to replace Dom, Rom was great tonight for Belgium

John Wilson
95 Posted 22/06/2024 at 22:40:42
I think we'll regret it if we let Dom go. Unless Dan Friedkin was in, I just don't think we will replace him like for like or as good.

Beto is nowhere Dom and so having him as our main striker would be concerning.

Martin Faulkner
96 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:06:28
Looks like its 20m for Dom with this lad coming the other way
Write it up to masters and co as $40m for Dom and $20m for Minteh
Make their PSR rules look like the joke they are, suit both clubs
Colin Glassar
97 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:11:03
Madness, sheer madness. Have we switched from being a Man U feeder club to being one for the geordies?
Andy Crooks
98 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:11:56
Cheers, Brian👍 She was overrated to be honest but she put in a shift!!
Hope all going ok, Brian. Catch you next season
Mark Murphy
99 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:13:22
Doms been ok for us and given us some happy memories but I don’t understand why some think he’s worth more than £20m?

I’d have Callum Wilson in a straight swap anyday!

Good luck Dom but you need to be hitting 15 - 20 a season to be worth more than that.

UTFT and fcuk the skunks!

Andy Crooks
100 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:14:45
I agree, John @ 92. There is no, in my view, replacement to fit the Dyche style. Not at any price, never mind what we have.
Mike Gaynes
101 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:41:22
I'm not as negative as some here on Beto. A guy with a goal every 208 minutes in Serie A obviously knows where the goal is. And he's the kind of physically assertive striker that some Evertonians have always admired. The problem is that the PL is more physical and trying to dominate is harder there than in Italy. I think he'll make the adjustment.

That said, we can't just ship Dom and hope Beto is the answer. A quality replacement would be absolutely essential.

Paul Smith
102 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:41:39
Fuckin lunacy if we don't get a replacement. He's not all that but he's all we have and a fuck-ton better than Beto.
Don Alexander
103 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:42:47
As ever during at least the past 30 years we're having to buy from Arkwright's corner shop rather than the super-shops successful, properly owned, clubs shop at, to their obvious advantage.

I just hope in KT we for once become a customer seeing right through the absurd prices/commodities on offer to us by the Arkwright's of the football world, although if he succeeds, given the mountain of engulfing financial shit landed upon him and us, he'll deserve a statue right next to Dixie.

Derek Thomas
104 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:42:55
Scored the winner in an age group World Cup, played and scored for England, Crystal Palace, The Derby. He might still be a bit of a sicknote risk too, but If he's got it in his head he wants to leave, then he will. He might regret it or he might not, who knows.

£20M seems a tad low though, but as Contracts run down, sometimes half a loaf is better than no bread at all.

But as ever with Footballers...and Clubs for that matter, if loyalty is a requirement - get a dog.

"DCL? Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."

Not easily replaced though.

Robert Tressell
105 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:44:32
Clive # 46, you are right - like all managers would have correctly done in the same circumstances, Dyche gave only a few minutes to Dobbin and Chermiti last season.

Otherwise, there's a few names mentioned in this thread as possible upgrades / replacements. Some perspective...

Ferguson (Brighton)

Plays for a much better team than Everton and scored 6 in 27 last season. Would probably cost between £50m and £70m. Will not be remotely interested in signing for Everton and we can't afford him anyway.

Toney (Brentford)

Now age 28 and has one year left on his contract. He already plays for a team rated by Transfermarkt as having a materially better squad than us (some £85m better). Linked to Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs for about £40m to £60m. Will not be remotely interested in signing for Everton and we can't afford him anyway.

Adebayo (Luton)

He's 26 and had 1 season in the Premier League scoring 10 times in 27 games. Most of that was in tandem with Carlton Morris who got 11 in 38 - in a team that really went for it (and had the players to do that going forward at least). I think it's safe to say he'd have a harder job of it in a more conservative Everton side playing a lone striker. Transfermarkt doesn't say when his contract expires but I'd guess he'd cost about £25m - which presumably puts him out of reach, especially seeing as though that is probably the peak he will ever be worth.

Abraham (Roma)

He's 26 and scored 1 in 8 games for Roma last season (and 8 in 38 the year before - inferior to Beto's 10 in 33 for a weaker Udinese side). He's on a fairly steep downward trajectory but with 2 years left on his contract would probably cost about £25m - and again we won't be paying that for him. Could be available on loan, I suppose.

More realistic replacements might include:

- Fofana (4 in 15 for Burnley)
- Nketiah (5 in 27 for Arsenal)
- McBurnie (6 in 21 for Sheff Utd)
- Broja (1 in 21 for Chelsea and Fulham)
- Strand Larsen (13 in 37 for Celta Vigo)
- Krstovic (7 in 35 for Lecce)
- Dallinga (14 in 33 for Toulouse)
- Wahi (9 in 28 for Lens)
- Balogun (7 in 29 for Monaco)
- Akpom (11 in 25 for Ajax)
- Denkey (23 in 28 for Club Brugge)

This highlights just how difficult it will be to replace DCL with a more effective player when we can't even compete with the likes of Bournemouth, Palace and Brentford in the transfer market. It should be possible to identify a long term development player like Spurs bought in Veliz last season. He really is an excellent prospect and cost only £11m. Players like that are in reach - however, now age 20 he's still some way of making an impact at Spurs, with a grand total of zero goals in 8 games for Seville on loan. So you'd need someone like McBurnie as a stop gap while you bide your time...

Don Alexander
106 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:58:07
Spot on Robert (#102), new owner/s or not, the last lot have left us stymied in terms of trophies for the next few years minimum.
Mike Gaynes
107 Posted 22/06/2024 at 23:58:12
Robert, as usual with your brilliantly comprehensive player lists, I've seen only a few of them. Of those I do know, some wouldn't be replacements for Dom unless Dyche changed his system. No way would speedballs like Nketiah, Wahi and Balogun be potential solo strikers.

Dallinga and Strand Larsen are big boys who could do the job. Not sure what they would cost though.

And, as usual, I would add the reminder that there is a continent called North America where strikers have occasionally been spotted on the landscape.

Robert Tressell
108 Posted 22/06/2024 at 00:05:20
Mike # 104, you're right some of these players are not the classic big number 9 - which is why I keep mentioning McBurnie who is out of contract and scores very highly in aerial duels (pretty sure 2nd only to DCL in the Premier League last season). He would be a good signing along with someone like Fofana on loan from Chelsea - who is like a poor man's Darwin Nunez but still developing.

It's also fair to note that Dyche played Demarai Gray as his striker for a spell (albeit out of necessity) so I wouldn't rule out a faster, more technical forward line - in fact I hope that is the direction of travel.

Robert Tressell
109 Posted 23/06/2024 at 00:09:35
Mike, I might be wrong on this but I don't think there are any MLS strikers who are anywhere close to being Premier League standard. With Solomon Rondon 4th in the top scorers chart in Mexico - I reckon it is probably the same there too.
Kieran Kinsella
110 Posted 23/06/2024 at 00:21:24
Robert

What about that 300lb Viking looking Hungarian striker? He’d definitely be a big target man

Sean Kearns
111 Posted 23/06/2024 at 00:25:21
Upon first sight of my news my reaction is “FUCK!!””… but after 10 mins of clear thought it could be alright. If this means we keep jarrad another year then I’ll take it. If we are really up shite’s creek with no paddle and all must be sold then so be it!! If we sign Broja I’ll be buzzin… Dom only plays around 15 games per season let’s not forget. Get Beto up top he’s got goals in him, he’s just a bit raw.
David Gallant
112 Posted 23/06/2024 at 00:30:44
I have a sneaky suspicion this is all smoke and mirrors. Doms agent is obviously trying to get Everton to increase the wage offer on the table for his client. As he rightly should be doing. Suddenly Chelsea are also "interested" in him. This is probably Doms last big contract so hes got to try and get the best deal he can. Problem he has is Everton have (hopefully) learnt from their follies of recent times and wont be handing out massive wages anymore. The club for its part are also playing the game by being "linked" with all sorts of other strikers. I hope he signs the new contract because I don't believe we could get a better player within our budget. But then I could be wrong.
David Thomas
113 Posted 23/06/2024 at 00:31:20
Robert,

Mcburnie is 28 and has scored about 12 goals in about 100 games in the premier league.

How could he possibly be a good signing for us?

Kieran Kinsella
114 Posted 23/06/2024 at 00:37:00
David

Not only that but McBurnie is trouble off the field. Arrested for stamping on a fan, investigated for assaulting a fan, arrested for drunk driving, involved in another fight, had some weird dalliance with a porn star. He seems like a 70s style flash Harry unprofessional type. I imagine his legal issues and drunken escapades have also affected his form and contract status. Basically a poor man’s Duncan Ferguson.

Mike Gaynes
115 Posted 23/06/2024 at 01:06:13
Robert #106, I promoted Brandon Vasquez here before he moved from MLS to Liga MX, and I still think he'd have been a good gamble.
James Flynn
116 Posted 23/06/2024 at 01:26:16
If this rumor is true, my guess is that Dom is Wilson's replacement.

Like Dom, Wilson's contract is up in May. He's also 5 years older and was out injured for 28 games this last season.

And as a guy who's missed many games due to 9 different hamstring injuries (among others), it's unlikely that Callum can put in the hard yards Dom does.

So if DCL is on his way out, hopefully Wilson isn't coming in the other direction.

Eric Myles
117 Posted 23/06/2024 at 04:08:29
Kevin 83, I'm not sure we, the fans will know anything come 1 July 'cos the Club doesn't publish the accounts until December, and also like you say, we don't know the PSR position.

Hopefully though the head accountant at the Club is keeping an eye on these transfer dealings and using some financial jiggery-pokery to keep us within the limits this time round.

Gavin Johnson
118 Posted 23/06/2024 at 04:33:34
Daniel Jebbison would be a better free transfer from Sheffield Utd than McBurnie, IMO.

Alan J Thompson
119 Posted 23/06/2024 at 06:23:48
Whatever it is there is something more, a lot more, to Everton's transfer policy than just signing better players. Question is, just what is it that is being given priority?
Ernie Baywood
120 Posted 23/06/2024 at 07:07:25
We're a much better side with him. As we've shown when he's been fit. And I severely doubt we can afford to replace him never mind sign anyone better.

But from his perspective, he's been asked to play as a first defender, winning aerial duels before chasing his own headers. And at a basket case of a club that can't get its shit together. I wouldn't blame him for a second if he wasn't going to sign another contract.

You'd have to question the ambition or sanity of any player re-signing if they had other options.

Newcastle could be a pretty good fit for him. He'll never be a top finisher, but he'll give his all and with the kind of service he'll get, he'll score plenty.

Steve Shave
121 Posted 23/06/2024 at 07:54:11
Interesting list Robert, thanks for posting. I am aware of quite a few of those, Denkey would be a Dyche type player, physically brutish and powerful. Unlikely though given the £££.

In response to your comments about us signing a Veliz type player who we can mould, I think Chermitti is that player and that he is rated highly by the club. Let's hope he has a break out season in the next two years but he's not the answer now.

I can't see us being in for both Minteh and Ndiaye if Harrison is resigning on loan but I like the look of both players.

I am with Mike Gaynes on two points, one being that many have prematurely written off Beto, give him a season to adjust come on. The other is that Brandon Vazquez could be a viable and cost effective solution if DCL goes, I have been keeping an eye on him.

Sam Hoare
122 Posted 23/06/2024 at 08:47:58
Mike g @98 as you’ll see from my post at 42 I’m not so down on Beto either. He may not look polished but that doesn’t mean he can’t be effective. Dunno how Dyche rates him but if he were first pick striker next season I’d back him to match or better DCL’s goal return, even if his hold up play is not as good.

He’s only 26 and many big target forwards get better in their late 20s. He’s pretty fast and very strong so has the physical tools.

Steve Hogan
123 Posted 23/06/2024 at 09:05:34
Sam (119)
You claim Beto 'is pretty fast'? Are we talking about the same player? I watched all of his games last season, and one thing he isn't 'is fast'. When he runs, he looks like he's wading through treacle.
Ian Pilkington
124 Posted 23/06/2024 at 09:06:30
Robert’s list proves that DCL could only be replaced by a young player with potential or an older one on a downward trajectory.

Never in our history have we started a new season with just three strikers, two of them with just one season at the club and three PL goals between them, the third a new starter.

Why do so many on here believe that this would be remotely acceptable?

Colin Glassar
125 Posted 23/06/2024 at 10:13:45
Brilliant. Let’s start with Beto next season and let’s see how long it takes before the usual, “he couldn’t trap a bag of cement, he’s slower than my gran, he’s a cart horse, donkey, grass muncher, he’s shite, even Iwobi is better than Beto etc…”.

DCL is one of the most effective holdup players in the league. He’s superb in the air and works his socks off for the team. He’d also be a 20+ goal scorer if he had anything resembling decent service. Latchford without Thomas would’ve struggled to score more than 10 goals a season in this team, same goes for every striker but DCL is expected to drape his own chances?

The Lukaku syndrome repeats itself. Next victim please step forward.

As for the donkey from Sheffield Utd😂😂😂😂🤣🤣

Brian Harrison
126 Posted 23/06/2024 at 10:14:39
I think that for to long the club has allowed players to go into the final year of their contract, now there maybe a couple of instances were this has helped the club, but bye and large to let a player who could command a fee run down his contract were the club get nothing is financially damaging. As I understand it DCL has been offered a new contract and so far has declined to sign it and the same is also correct regarding Godfrey. I would imagine we would get between £20m to £30m for Dominic, don't know how much for Godfrey but surely its better to sell both and re invest some if not all the money in new players. There is speculation that Newcastle are interested in DCL now like everybody I don't know how much revenue we have to bring in to avoid breaking P&S rules but if selling DCL before the 30th June keeps us within the P&S rules then for me its a price worth paying.
Christy Ring
127 Posted 23/06/2024 at 10:15:13
Beto for me isn't good enough for the Premiership, and his first touch is so poor, we need to bring in a striker if Dom goes. What about bringing back Richarlison, more of a squad player at Spurs?
Robert Tressell
128 Posted 23/06/2024 at 10:25:17
Kieran # 111, you talk of a dalliance with a porn star as though that's a bad thing.

There's also the possibility that Beto is not with us next season. It was a strange deal with Udinese where he cost £0 in year one and then there must now be payment obligations coming up on the £22 (ish) million we have outstanding. It wouldn't surprise me if he is shipped back to Italy.

If he stays, he's certainly better than his 3 in 30 suggests. His record in recent years is:

2022/23: 10 in 33 for Udinese
2021/22: 11 in 28 for Udinese
2020/21: 11 in 30 for Portimonese in Portugal

I reckon that translates to about a 7 to 10 goal a season return in the Premier League.

Christopher Timmins
129 Posted 23/06/2024 at 10:30:56
If DCL leaves then I can only wish the boy well. His sale will be another plus in the PSR equation.

Sam Hoare
130 Posted 23/06/2024 at 10:31:09
Steve@120, yeah he’s definitely pretty fast, especially for a big man. His acceleration may not be the best but he was clocked over 35km/h in his last season in Italy.

Adama Traore’s top speed last season was 35.5. The fastest in the league last season was Luton’s Ogbene at 36.93 and Evertons was interestingly Onana at 36.65.

Beto was pretty poor at times last season but fans are too quick to write players off and many foreign players take a season to adjust to the PL. I’m not expecting him to be prime Drogba but as supporters I reckon we could maybe support him more, especially if he’s given the role of first choice striker.

Danny Baily
131 Posted 23/06/2024 at 10:39:18
I think it would be Chermiti and not Beto who would be expected to make the step up if DCL we're to leave this summer. Chermiti showed some real promise towards the end of last season, and is a similar player to DCL. Beto is... Beto. Unpredictable, and a good option from the bench.
Christy Ring
132 Posted 23/06/2024 at 10:49:51
Colin#122 As you say the workrate of Dom in attack and defence is totally underrated. He's totally isolated upfront, and most times he has to run after his own flick on's. Under Ancelotti when he was told to stay around the penalty area, with Richarlison and Rodriguez providing the crosses, he was unplayable, all he had last season was scraps from McNeill, and Harrison couldn't even cross the ball. He won't know himself at Newcastle, a massive loss for us.
Ian Bennett
133 Posted 23/06/2024 at 11:03:23
Sam if we could get a decent bid from Italy on Beto, most would cash in on him.

I think he's way off it, and I would be giving Chermiti more minutes ahead of him if I am honest. He looks a more complete player.

If Newcastle are in for DCL, and he's not going to sign a contract he has to be sold at the right price. For me that's £30 to £35m.

The best business I think would be move Beto and Dcl on, and bring in Tammy Abraham and Adebayo, or a rising star from a European league. There are good players out there - last year it was Boniface, Moffi, etc.

Sam Hoare
134 Posted 23/06/2024 at 11:19:43
Ian, the last time Tammy Abraham and Beto were both fit in serie A, Beto scored more goals than Abraham (10 vs 9) despite playing less minutes.

There are good reasons why we bought him and I’m not sure taking a loss on him after an underwhelming first season in the PL makes good sense. Sure if someone in Italy bids £20m+ then great but not sure how likely that is. We’d be looking for someone with a similar profile and record anyway.

I really like Chermitti, have high hopes for him. But he still needs time to develop and unless he has a stellar pre-season I reckon a loan would be best for him (presuming we have bought in some more cover).

Certainly there are good players out there but not many who will guarantee more than 10 pl goals per season. I reckon Beto would get close to that if he stayed fit as first choice striker.

James Newcombe
135 Posted 23/06/2024 at 11:25:49
If we’re replacing DCL with McBurnie, then we deserve to go down. He wasn’t even the second best striker at Sheffield United.
Andy Crooks
136 Posted 23/06/2024 at 11:33:34
Sam, maybe it's the lack of acceleration that makes Beto look so lethargic and I accept that the figures you quote are quite impressive.
Also, to me he never looked fit last season, gasping for air after every effort. I'm sure that will definitely improve. However DCL has much more to his game and offers Dyche the option to be more expansive this year ( if he chooses to have a flexible approach).Beto seems to be pretty one dimensional and will dictate the tactics we deploy
Sam Hoare
137 Posted 23/06/2024 at 11:39:27
Andy, yes for certain DCL is a better player with a more rounded game. But I think Beto is maybe not as bad as he looked at times last year. The PL has a long history of foreign players who underwhelmed in their first season but then improved.

No guarantee that happens with Beto but I’m not convinced he deserves to be written off yet. Regular games and a full pre-season will definitely help.

Robert Tressell
138 Posted 23/06/2024 at 12:17:52
In case people think I rate McBurnie highly, I don't. I am only talking about him because he is a free transfer - and will have very low wage demands. He will also be a useful option for direct play because he wins a very high proportion of headers - and he did score goals last season (more than some of the more glamorous options being mentioned).

The reality is that even if we did manage to find £25m (ish) to buy the likes of Adebayo or Abraham, neither of them are likely to score more than about 8 to 12 Premier League goals. It wouldn't be a huge surprise to see them ending the season with more like 5 or 6 goals (i.e. less than DCL).

And they may also lessen the goal threat of Doucoure who certainly benefited from the space DCL created by his hard work.

Across the major European leagues, the top scorer charts include a lot of wing forwards and attacking midfielders. Those are the players who would move the dial for us in terms of overall goal threat - because it means goals are coming from a variety of sources and a greater variety of play.

Tom Bowers
139 Posted 23/06/2024 at 12:19:25
Most ''target men'' are isolated up front when most teams play 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 in most games unless of course you are Man.City or Arsenal.

DCL when fully fit looked good towards the end of the season but is he worth keeping.

Beto is a poor man's Lukaku although both are a little slow but can put themselves about in the penalty box.

Chermitti may be ready to stake a claim after a learning season in a struggling squad but it remains to be seen what Dyche has up his sleeve.

You do need options up front and if DCL goes then another will need to be signed.

Doucoure may also go after wanting a move 2 seasons ago.

The next 5 weeks could be very interesting.

Laurie Hartley
140 Posted 23/06/2024 at 12:19:49
If Dominic hasn’t accepted the contract offered, wants a move, and Newcastle bid £20m he will go. As Harry Catterick once said - “that’s football”.

As for Beto I am agreement with Sam - there is more to come from him in my opinion.

Christy Ring
141 Posted 23/06/2024 at 12:22:12
Rumours that Man Utd have offered £50m for Onana, if correct I'd sell immediately and offer Calvert-Lewin a better contract to stay.
Ryan Holroyd
142 Posted 23/06/2024 at 12:26:08
Call me strange but I like my players to be able to control a football
Jerome Shields
143 Posted 23/06/2024 at 12:36:28
If there is money for Calvet Lewin Everton are better to take it.As Sam and Laurie say Beto.will improve. He was better developed by his previous Club, than Calvert Lewin was, showing good basic tactics and technically.Chermit also was better developed. Between them Everton should manage.Onana if kept should develop into more a playmaker which will.suit both Beto and Chemiti, who were brought up on better ball play.It would not make the same difference to Calvert Lewin.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
144 Posted 23/06/2024 at 12:43:26
I always thought the Late Great Super KC looked slow but he wasn't. Often our perception of a player's speed is the way they run rather than the distance they cover in a given amount of time.
Mark Taylor
145 Posted 23/06/2024 at 12:54:53
Regardless how you rate DCL- and I'm agnostic- if he hasn't signed a contract or wants more than we can pay, he has to go, even if PSR issues did not apply. I agree with others that selling him, if it means being able to keep Jarrod, is a reasonable outcome.

As for replacements, while I don't think the PSR gap is perhaps quite as bad as some others are suggesting, I very much doubt we'd have much to re-invest, if any, despite the rather odd accounting methods used nowadays. I think we'd likely have to shift out Onana as well to have anything meaningful to re-invest.

I bow to others' greater knowledge of players we could recruit (and hopefully Thelwell has the best insights of all) but I would sell Beto back for the money we contracted if that was on offer. Sure he may be better in season 2 but he looked painfully short last year. As for Chermiti, I don't know how we can judge him, we barely saw him last season.

Colin Glassar
146 Posted 23/06/2024 at 12:57:32
Christy, I’m with you 100%. Sell Onana, if needs be, and keep Dom and buy a winger who can actually cross a ball into the area. Digne was the last player we had who could do it consistently. Also a MF player who can pass a forward ball.
Rob Halligan
147 Posted 23/06/2024 at 13:15:29
Lewis Dobbin has signed for Aston Villa.
Tom Bowers
148 Posted 23/06/2024 at 13:26:06
Most ''target men'' are isolated up front when most teams play 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 in most games unless of course you are Man.City or Arsenal.

DCL when fully fit looked good towards the end of the season but is he worth keeping.

Beto is a poor man's Lukaku although both are a little slow but can put themselves about in the penalty box.

Chermitti may be ready to stake a claim after a learning season in a struggling squad but it remains to be seen what Dyche has up his sleeve.

You do need options up front and if DCL goes then another will need to be signed.

Doucoure may also go after wanting a move 2 seasons ago.

The next 5 weeks could be very interesting.

Christine Foster
149 Posted 23/06/2024 at 13:37:41
Christy 129# absolutely agree, Ancelotti proved it. Stay in the box, feed him with crosses and he will do the job. He has never had as good a season since under Dyche. Digne and Rodriguez got rid of by Rafa, Richarlison following replaced by players not fit to lace their boots. Not one of Patterson, Harrison, Onana, McNeil can deliver a through ball or a cross to save their life. Instead of trying to solve THAT problem, we sell the only winger with any speed, and now look to sell the centre forward because no one can get the sodding ball for him to score anyway!

Ancelotti told him his job was to stay in the box, not defend, run channels or be the sole outlet chasing hoof balls.

Is this a tactical sale because Dyche wants players who excel at nothing but make a good unit? Or do we just need the money? Is Beto or Chermiti anywhere near the footballer or finisher DCL is? Nope..nowhere near.. is it that a new contract isn't very good in comparison to what he is being offered? Who is engineering a move? Player or club?

I hope he doesn't go, but I suspect he will. The dumbing down as initiated by the club has started.

PS.. I don't want to be Burnley mk2

Mihir Ambardekar
150 Posted 23/06/2024 at 13:55:05
Best scenario we can have is DCL signing a new contract & We exchange Beto for Abraham. Chermiti goes on loan to promising club elsewhere. We sell Maupay for ~7 million. We get Illiman Ndiaye on loan. We already have Harrison & McNeil. We need two more pacy wingers. 1 Minteh and other could be signed on loan. We need to have good balanced attacking impetus.
Geoff Lambert
151 Posted 23/06/2024 at 14:09:41
Christie #66 "running the channels, coming back to win headers in defense, his work rate is unreal" Yes but we need someone to do a bit of lazy goal hanging and make a difference with some goals. £20 million and last year before a free, I will drive him there myself.
Dale Self
152 Posted 23/06/2024 at 14:17:26
When Beto got knocked out and showed up for service that told me all I need to know. That dude will put in a shift and has more than decent holdup play without falling over under pressure like DCL. Beto and McBurnie would be enough to keep us up and no back line would get off easy against us.

Let’s stack chips on this season and see how he does.

Liam Mogan
153 Posted 23/06/2024 at 14:28:54
Dyche has played DCL whenever available and put in the whole factory-reset that seems to have reinvigorated his career. I would guess that Dyche would rather keep him, but our financial situation means we can't afford to go into the last year of his contract. He hasn't signed what was offered.

Maybe he wants a new start, maybe he's still smarting over the booing at Villa, maybe he doesn't like the playing style. But attempts to shift blame onto the manager in some way for this situation seems disingenuous to me.

Dale Self
154 Posted 23/06/2024 at 14:35:45
By the way, it isn’t that Dyche doesn’t value skill players who possess well. Rather, it is clear that positional awareness is the key aspect of Dyche’s game management and Dobbin was found lacking for all his prowess on the ball.
Denis Richardson
155 Posted 23/06/2024 at 14:36:32
My read is purely financial. If he hasn’t signed a new contract we simply can’t let him go on a free next year.

Sell, get some money in and reinvest. Players come and go.

Colin Glassar
156 Posted 23/06/2024 at 14:44:13
Dale, you’re joking right? Please tell your account has been hacked. Mcburnie and Beto? Bill and Ben, the flower pot men would be more effective. Why not throw in that Neanderthal, Chris Woods in as well? Those three ugly fuckers would scare defenders shitless.
Brian Williams
157 Posted 23/06/2024 at 15:01:32
Col. The scary thing is. I don't think he IS joking.
Lord Hughes
158 Posted 23/06/2024 at 15:28:58
DCL. Yeah sure decent when fit, but he’s made of glass and with only 12 months left on his contract let’s cash in while we can.
Colin Glassar
159 Posted 23/06/2024 at 15:38:32
Maybe Dale is suffering from heatstroke, Bri.
Andrew Grey
160 Posted 23/06/2024 at 15:43:03
Need him, Keep him.
Ian Pilkington
161 Posted 23/06/2024 at 15:47:58
Sam, I accept your point about Beto and sincerely hope he improves, likewise Chermiti appears to to be a a very good prospect, but we simply cannot afford to kick off with another risky signing to replace DCL.

If DCL fails to sign a new contract he will presumably cost another £5M(?) in salary plus the derisory £20M offered by the Barcodes. If he enjoys a successful season he may even decide to stay, with the prospect of playing at BMD.

He will win absolutely nothing with perennial losers at St James’s Park.

Sam Hoare
162 Posted 23/06/2024 at 15:54:18
Colin, you realise Chris Wood scored 14 goals last season right? About 5th highest in the league for a striker. And Mcburnie scored 6 in only 15 starts.

So clearly they can be effective.

I’m not sure we’re suddenly expecting Dyche to start playing passing football next season so there’s a decent chance whoever our striker is will need to be a bit neanderthal. I’m not dreaming of Mcburnie up front but find the contempt for some of these players (including our own) somewhat puzzling.

Ian@158 I don’t think we have the wiggle room to turn down £20-25m of profit on DCL for PSR reasons. If he won’t sign new contract I think selling him is the right move. Then it’s up to recruitment team and Dyche to either find a replacement or make sure Beto/Chermitti are able to replicate what he provided. We seem to be working in the transfer market more sensibly these days so I’m optimistic.

Soren Moyer
163 Posted 23/06/2024 at 16:04:13
I'd not sell him unless he wants to go. I have a feeling if he goes Dyche will replace him with Weighorst ffs!
Get rid of Beto anyway you can. He is worse than Tosun.
Ian Bennett
164 Posted 23/06/2024 at 16:40:49
Sam we sold Iwobi for £22m when we really were in shit street.

With the best will in the world, Calvert Lewin as a goal scorer needs to be going for way more than £20m. I still think it'll be £30-35m including add ons.

Sam Hoare
165 Posted 23/06/2024 at 16:51:09
Ian B, I hope you’re right! The media have linked a few teams to him which if true might drive up the price a bit. I’d hope for nearer £30 as you say but his goal/injury record for last 2 seasons May count against him.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
166 Posted 23/06/2024 at 17:19:55
Now Dobbin has been sold, I want to know who is going to fill the No 61 shirt?
Ian Bennett
167 Posted 23/06/2024 at 17:28:21
Everton will demand a fee in the region of £37M for Dominic Calvert-Lewin if he leaves the club, as per Paul Joyce.

Writing for The Times (22 June), Joyce claims that the Toffees have offered a new deal to the 27-year-old who has only a year left on his current deal.

Jay Harris
168 Posted 23/06/2024 at 17:33:41
I agree with all the positivity about Dominic but he isn't prolific and if he doesn't want to sign a new contract — it is a no-brainer to get £30M for him now to contribute towards a replacement rather than get nothing in 12 months and have to search the piggy bank to afford a modest striker.

Also think we could do a swap deal Maupay for Ndiaye and what about a cheeky bid for Zirkzee.

At least we are alive in this transfer window and seem to be trading quite well so far.

Mike Gaynes
169 Posted 23/06/2024 at 17:43:16
Sam #127-131, agreed.

Tom #136, Lukaku and Beto are anything but slow.

Christine #129, Dyche ain't Carlo, and he doesn't have Carlo's squad. Carlo had James, Sigurdsson and Ricarlison, all of whom could dribble a ball and make a final pass, and Dyche had none of those. He looked at his squad and determined that what was needed to stay up was defense, and he needed Dom to contribute there, not hang around in the box waiting for crosses
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And Dom has been a massive contributor defensively. He's a big reason we've gone from being one of the worst in the league against set pieces to one of the best, because Dyche has assigned him to attack the ball while everybody else is man-marking, and he does it superbly. Dom also helps us clear our lines when necessary because, if he's upfield when a ball is cleared, it's much less likely to be coming straight back in.

I think Dyche's use of him has been proven correct, because we're still in the Premier League.

Jerome Shields
170 Posted 23/06/2024 at 18:00:15
Must admit that Calvert-Lewin did make a defensive contribution. My previous comments were regarding his attacking contribution.
Ed Prytherch
171 Posted 23/06/2024 at 18:10:44
It would be even worse if we were linked to the Welsh Neanderthal Kieffer Moore.
Julian Exshaw
172 Posted 23/06/2024 at 18:25:12
I fear we are slowly losing genuine class in our squad and yet re-signing players who were, at best, average last season. I totally understand all the tedious ramifications of our financial situation but this is not looking great at the moment. Some major wheeling and dealing needed in the next 6 weeks.
John Graham
173 Posted 23/06/2024 at 19:10:52
Calvert Lewin looks like he wants to go. Last year of his contract so it's basically his choice.
Quite an effective lone striker whenever he played, but just didn't play enough. Time to move on and possibly refocus on a couple of speed merchants up front, at least then it makes the opposition think twice when attacking.
Whatever happens it looks like big changes are happening.
Steve Hogan
174 Posted 23/06/2024 at 20:16:17
If DCL goes to the bar codes, he'll be one of the few players who will leave Everton with my best wishes. Sadly, he was crucified by a sizeable minority of our fans, not the first player to have suffered at the hands of the morons, for apparently being a 'lazy bastard'.

He had suffered a serious injury, and was probably bought back too soon, on a number of occasions, when never fully fit.

The role he played in Dyche's team formation, meant he was really on a hiding to nothing. Playing alone up front, chasing lost causes, against two hairy arsed centre backs. With virtually no goals coming from our somewhat sterile midfield, most of the responsibility fell on his shoulders.

Ancelotti knew how to best use him best, and he benefitted accordingly.

If the player does go, it will be has last big move at 27 years old, and at the present time, we probably can't match the salary Newcastle are offering.
Be interesting to see what his goal return will be like in a more attack minded team.

My lasting memories of DCL, will be the diving header, which put us in front against Palace at Goodison, when we looked dead and buried, on what was a raucous night, and of course the towering header at the far post against the rs this season, in a wonderful 2-0 win.

Best wishes Dom.

Ian Bennett
175 Posted 23/06/2024 at 20:22:03
I see we are linked with Broja. I'd take him on loan, but not convinced he's what we need up top.

Injury permitting Tammy Abraham would be a far better buy. Good size, works hard, scores goal, and can link the player. The owner is pretty sound as well.

Colin Glassar
176 Posted 23/06/2024 at 20:58:24
Steve #171, I concur. I think DCL is a tremendous player who’ll score loads of goals in a more attacking, effective side.

Sam 159, neither of them are fit to lace Dom’s boots.

Jason Mcclure
177 Posted 23/06/2024 at 21:10:02
It doesn't matter what we all think, if he wants to leave, so be it.

He was never a prolific striker and seemed to be about the best under the Kenwright - Moshiri regime.

A new dawn and the last year of his contract — get some money in; not a mortal loss, imo.

John Wilson
178 Posted 23/06/2024 at 22:13:31
Beto is nowhere near Dom. If Dom goes, we will be touching relegation. Chermitti is nowhere near it and Beto is just nowhere near a starting number 9. Look, Dom is not perfect but what he has got is a good touch, can hold the ball up and has nothing to get on the end of in Dyche ball. Dyche is just an average manager and Dom under him makes for an impeded Dom. We need to keep him as we will regret it. £40m will not go on a number 9, if we can get that much for Dom. We should keep Dom and try to persuade him during the season. I'd rather have Dom than Everton use the money we get to pay off the debts and keep the lights on. Wake up!!!
Tony Abrahams
179 Posted 23/06/2024 at 22:14:02
Mike@166 then Julian@169, confirm what PSR, has done to Everton’s squad over the last few years.

Is it down to Dyche that we are completely devoid of genuine craft, or is it down to Dyche, that Everton, are still a premier league club?

It looks like we paid over the odds for Beto, because we were skint, and couldn’t afford to pay any money up front, and it looks like we are going to be getting peanuts (in today’s world) for a proven striker, who has been very important to Everton for years.

Ian Bennett
180 Posted 23/06/2024 at 22:16:21
Beto scored most of his goals against lesser teams in Serie A in the season before we signed him. Monza twice, Verona, Sassuola, Lecce, Spezia. He scored 3 against Milan, Bologna, and Fiorentina. Against better defences he score 1 goal against a top 7 side in 14 games.

£26m regardless of the deal structure that looks expensive, as it doesn't look like he can cut it against better quality teams.

I am surprised some still expect him to come good. He'd probably do well in the championship, Serie B or Saudi like Mitrovic. A league where his physical attributes can outweigh and bully the opposition - and where his basic skills matter less.

A modern day Brett Angell. Scored against poor teams, and got his move.

Jamie Crowley
181 Posted 23/06/2024 at 22:19:52
If the Dobbin player swap is paired with DCL leaving along with Onana, and we get on the right side of the of the P&SR due to it, along with keeping Pickford and Branthwaite?

I'm all for it and think it is, by far, the best option for Everton who are clearly forced to sell players to not run afoul of P&SR.

That's not to say I don't like, nor will we not miss, DCL (and Onana?). But if selling DCL and Onana enable us to keep Picks and Jarrad it's truly the best option in my opinion.

And both DCL and Onana will go and I hope do very well for themselves at other clubs.

Brian Wilkinson
182 Posted 23/06/2024 at 22:34:03
All very well saying keep a player who does not want to sign a new contract for us.

We either keep an unsettled player for his final 12 months then goes for nothing, or we grant his wish and take the money now.

Different if a player had three years remaining on their contract.

If he wants to go, then cherio, Everton will survive without him and every confidence we will bring someone else in.


John Wilson
183 Posted 23/06/2024 at 22:49:34
It's not like Everton could offer Dom a contract when we couldn't get him fixed, but now we know Dom is back and The Derby per case and point, shows what we're going to miss, and for that, credit goes to Dyche. If Friedkin Group was in during Dyche's tenure, not a doubt in my mind he would be a long time gone. Friedkin, if the group come in, will not want Dyche football - they got rid of Mourinho mid season after him winning The European Conference. Friedkin, with above caveat, will not tolerate him not using subs until the last minute. Dom under a better manager will score. If we get better width, replacement for Gomes and Dobbin, and the other right winger that Dyche cliche-eo did not want to play, even Dyche will have Dom scoring. Haaland misses his chances like Dom does but even he would struggle to score at Everton.
Dave Cashen
184 Posted 23/06/2024 at 22:52:54
Beto is a strong runner, but he takes five yards to get to top speed. He's as slow as a week in Grimsby over the first five yards. Not a premier League player. Not today. Not ever

If DCL goes to Newcastle or Chelsea he will score more than Beto and Chermiti put together next season

Steve Brown
185 Posted 23/06/2024 at 23:35:32
It is amazing how many players who contributed goals and assists have been sold or released over the last 3 seasons - James, Richarlison, Gordon, Iwobi, Cannon, Ellis, Dobbins and now possibly DCL.

And to replace them, we have brought in Beto, Chermiti, Harrison and McNeil. It is not a surprise that we have struggled in attack over the last few seasons.

And Chris Woods and Ollie McBurnie are crap. Let’s not try to polish a turd because we are desperate.

Andrew Keatley
186 Posted 23/06/2024 at 23:57:16
If DCL leaves the club then it leaves us with three senior strikers in the squad - Beto, Chermiti and Maupay - and I don't think many fans would be happy for any of those 3 to be starting 30+ games for the club in the coming season.

Beto needs service. I think he can be a bit spawny, with his ungainly style making it hard for defenders (and team-mates) to know what he is about to do - but he doesn't have great close control and his game relies on reacting quickly to breaking balls. His movement in the box is good, and he can finish, but his general play is not great. He might score regularly in a decent side but we are not a decent side right now, and his all-round game is weak.

Some fans are excited about Chermiti. I am not. He needs to beef up and develop. A replacement for DCL he is not, as Premier League defenders will bully him off the ball at will. I'd be really surprised if he has what it takes to be a successful Premier League player, but I definitely don't see it happening in the next 2 years.

Maupay does not suit the Dyche system. His time spent in an Everton shirt thus far has been pretty woeful, and I imagine the club are doing what they can to move him on before the end of the summer window.

So if DCL leaves then I hope we have our eye on a replacement or two because otherwise I think we are going to really struggle this season. I would be crossing everything that DCL signs his extension as, when fit, and in a side that is balanced and can offer him some service, I think he is a very decent footballer who really helps us to play long and get up the pitch.

Mark Taylor
187 Posted 24/06/2024 at 01:22:34
I honestly don't know how people can make a judgement on Chermiti. Did he play some games I didn't watch? I don't recall him starting and while he came on a fair bit, it was almost always for the last 5 mins.

The only league game he was on the pitch for any length of time, at the very end of the season, he looked promising. I realise it's risky to count on him establishing himself this season, with only Beto as back up (is slowmo Maupay really coming back?), but we have not had any opportunity to judge him yet.

Ian Campbell
188 Posted 24/06/2024 at 01:29:32
Andrew 183 I wouldnt mind for one minute if Beto was "spawny " as you put it because in Walton parlance that translates as being very lucky. As a striker I would take a lucky one every day of the week
Kieran Kinsella
189 Posted 24/06/2024 at 02:12:02
Mark Taylor

Chermiti so far reminds me of David Bellion the young French striker Utd Signed from Sunderland. And I don’t mean that as an insult. Bellini looked quite promising early on. But somehow he ended up with just 45 career goals. I’m not predicting the same fate for Chermitti. I’m just saying there are promising signs but ultimately it could go either way. I hoping he does well but I’m not assuming he will

Kieran Kinsella
190 Posted 24/06/2024 at 02:14:41
Steve Brown

You’re right about Chris Woods. I remember him taking a penalty for Rangers in 1990 in the UEFA cup and he missed it. Guess that’s what you deserve when you try to take the piss out of your opponents and let the goalie take the penalty.

Frank McGregor
191 Posted 24/06/2024 at 03:11:51
Really concerned with the coming and going of players.
Not really sure that a team building strategy is in place.

Disappointed in seeing yet another academy player leaving, surely Dobbin could contribute to the team as successfully as incoming signings.

Craig Harrison
192 Posted 24/06/2024 at 03:20:59
John @180 you may be in for a disappointment if you think Mourinho was sacked because of dour football. He was let go because he was in the final months of his contract and the freidkin group wanted to save money.
Ian Linn
193 Posted 24/06/2024 at 03:24:11
DCLs goal return in the last three seasons has been 5,2,8. Overall he's one in four. Not good enough. Let him go and we'll find a replacement.
George Stuart
194 Posted 24/06/2024 at 04:21:43
I've seen reports Man U in for Onana for £50 million.
Breaithwaite fir £35 million from Man u.
The real story here is how the corrupt PL is manipulating the situation, allowing pirates like the Mancs and Chelsea to plunder poorer teams and Arsenal and Liverpool happy to join in. Not forgetting the elephant in the league Newcastle.
What galls me the most is the attempt to corner the moral high ground by the PL.
Realistically next season, our squad will be weaker but the hope is for a Dyche oriented whole being greater than the current parts.
Kieran Kinsella
195 Posted 24/06/2024 at 04:31:30
Craig Harrison

Your post is misleading. Rima had to payout Mourinho for the remainder of his nearly expired contract so they didn’t save money by sacking him. They bankrolled him for two years thinking he’d get the success to offset the cost but he didn’t so they ran foul of FFP. The conspiracy theory is they sacked him with Roma 9th to avoid the he awkward optics of not renewing his contract in the unlikely event he climbed to 4th and got CL at the 11th hour. But the more likely explanation is that he spent a fortune only to see them get worse and worse domestically and having fallen foul of FFP, fallen to 9th and endured a miserable run of results they fired him hoping to at least salvage something from the season.

Danny O’Neill
196 Posted 24/06/2024 at 05:55:33
Well as long as we reinvest some off the money in a striker, otherwise I'll have to dust of the Adidas World Cups and Puma Kings!!
If he does go, it will be interesting to see how he performs in what is a better team than us for now.

I don’t like saying that, especially Newcastle as their supporters wind me up, even though I’ve got a few Newcastle supporting mates. Probably more than Tottenham and Chelsea.

If the rumours are true, including Onana, we could land around £90M.

All down to negotiation, which has never been our strong point, let’s face it. But if this is happening, I’m pretty sure the potential US new owners will be influencing.

Just don’t sell Branthwaite.

Mike Gaynes
197 Posted 24/06/2024 at 06:08:13
Tony #176, we lost our craft well before Dyche came in. (Rafa cost us a big chunk of it.) Dyche's ability to accept that reality and maximize our assets -- where Lampard could not -- is the reason we are still in the PL.

Ian #177, you're not the only one writing Beto off. I choose not to close that judgement based on his having played only about a third of the available minutes, most of them late minutes off the bench.

Steve #182, I must have missed the games where Cannon, Simms and Dobbins contributed goals and assists. Between the three of them, two goals and no assists. McNeil is already better than any of the three of them will ever be. And I believe Chermiti is destined to be an outstanding player.

Christine Foster
198 Posted 24/06/2024 at 07:06:11
Mike 166# I am not saying Dyche was wrong using DCL as he has, but its been to the detriment of his main role as a striker. Using the very players who should be providing him with opportunities as man markers defensively means he is starved of decent chances. He has been feeding off scraps and whilst he is not the best striker in the league, he is the best striker in our club.
Dyche had little option but to go for survival last season, I understand that, but we are rebuilding and hopefully that means getting out of survival mode with players who are more focused on attacking than defending. Should that not be the case then are we being unrealistic or is it all Dyche knows? As I said before, Burnley Mk2.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
199 Posted 24/06/2024 at 07:50:38
Danny,
All down to negotiation, which has never been our strong point, let’s face it.

But we now have a new chief negotiator and as many/most/all here on ToffeeWeb will tell you the previous one was useless.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
200 Posted 24/06/2024 at 08:09:32
This is going to be yet another season of survival - and hopefully the last one before the bright new dawn.

If we escape PSR this year then with a change of rules and that we have (presumably) massively underspent in the last 2 to bring us back in line and with no cost for BMD to sink us plus the increased revenue, then 2024-25 summer should be a lot less stressful as more who will we buy rather than who do we have to sell. We possibly will also have got rid of all the legacy from the Moshiri era (Holgate and Keane are out of contract next summer as are Maupay and Doucoure) so we could be looking better and it just means cobbling together enough to get through this season.

And DCL will be a huge loss. We achieved 48 points last season - 37 of them in games where DCL started. On a PPG basis that is 1,42 when he started and 0,91 when he did not. It is his overall play that makes us better.

Robert Tressell
201 Posted 24/06/2024 at 08:17:51
Christine # 195,

Unfortunately the financials and squad quality mean that it will be another season like last year. For context, the Transfermarkt squad values currently puts us at 16th – here's the data of our nearest rivals (other than the three promoted clubs):

9. Brighton: €511M
10. Palace: €441M
11. West Ham: €439M
12. Brentford: €414M
13. Forest: €387M
14. Bournemouth: €384M
15. Wolves: €349M
16. Everton: €331M
17. Fulham: €324M

Even if you recognise the flaws in the valuations, this is still a very good indicator of squad quality (and investment in the squad) relative to peers. The reality is that we will face another fight to stay in the Premier League – which means more of the same style of football out of necessity.

Jay # 155, a cheeky bid for Zirkzee might have to start around £45m for them to be interested. Man Utd, Arsenal and other Champions League clubs seem to be competing for his attention. I would put him in the category of players we can't afford and who wouldn't be remotely interested in joining Everton.

Anthony Hawkins
202 Posted 24/06/2024 at 08:37:31
For me, Calvert-Lewin needs to move on - and be replaced with a quality striker. He's had his day at Everton and needs to find his form and feet at another club.

I wish he would become the top striker we all hope he would and could be don't see that at Everton.

Danny O’Neill
203 Posted 24/06/2024 at 08:43:09
Mike, I too wouldn't write off Beto just yet.

Christine, most Everton strikers of late cut an isolated figure. Just like managers, I don't blame them. Forwards need supply.

I'll never forget that diving header against Palace in one of the best atmospheres I've witnessed at Goodison when I accidentally sat amongst the Palace supporters. And I've seen a lot at Goodison over my now many years. But that is up there.

By the end, the Palace supporters were marvelling at Goodison rocking, shaking my hand and hugging me!!

Robert Tressell
204 Posted 24/06/2024 at 09:09:00
Anthony - within our price range which quality striker do you have in mind?
Martin Farrington
205 Posted 24/06/2024 at 09:24:14
How genuine is this information? Is it speculation?

So what about Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Everton Number 9?
If you look at the stats. Look at all his elongated absences because of one injury or another and then prolonged injury because of reinjury upon return.

Look at how poor he was in front of goal for 19 or so games last season. Look at how much his wages are. Is Calvert-Lewin value for money?? He is not prolific. So can a perennial relegation struggling team afford no striker for huge gaps? An injury-prone player who is not a natural goal scorer is not the greatest asset.

Yes we should sell if this approach is true. However, Everton's reluctance to replace strikers with strikers is world famous. If he goes, the big worry is no replacement or we acquire yet another ponderous non-goalscoring midfielder who has the passing ability of a constipated corpse.

Some great observations from Toffee Webbers precede mine.
A player missed is Dominic Solanke, unless he has moved on. He would easily find a home and adulation here. Valued at €40M by Transfermarkt but Bournemouth would want more like €50-60m probably.

Do the deal post PSR deadline and we're onto a winner.

Kim Vivian
206 Posted 24/06/2024 at 09:25:37
I think next season we will not be grabbing at the rails to stay afloat but will comfortably be mid table - a step in the right direction under Sean Dyche - who I do believe he is our best bet for next year.

Regarding Beto - with a good number of starts I think he will return probably at least as good as DCL, maybe not as many won headers and hold up play from Pickford's long punts etc., but in goal return I'd be hopeful. Chermiti is somewhat untested although a lively looking attacker imo, and we may find that this pair working together could return some good dividends.

I know I wear blue tinted specs but compared to the last couple of years I do feel cautiously optimistic about the next season. The psychological effect of coming out of last season as well as we did despite all the negatives will probably work for us.

It is a testament to our fortitude - players, management (at last) and fans alike

Dave Abrahams
207 Posted 24/06/2024 at 09:51:02
Dave (181), some players are slow off the mark but their football brain keeps them ahead of the game, I don’t see that with Beto, getting caught so often offside, never anticipating moves and looking for penalties with ridiculous diving makes me think he isn’t up to top standard football, his one attribute, endeavour, wants me to hope he will get better—just don’t see it unfortunately.
Robert Tressell
208 Posted 24/06/2024 at 10:18:29
Martin # 202, we cannot afford Solanke.

It is now 4 years since we have been able to compete with the likes of Bournemouth, Palace and Brentford in the transfer market.

Brian Williams
209 Posted 24/06/2024 at 10:19:32
What Dave A said. 👍
Kevin Molloy
210 Posted 24/06/2024 at 10:55:36
apparently this little Minteh chap has indicated his preference, and he wishes his future career to be spent playing here. There can't be many people who choose Walton over Rome but it may also be a sign we are on the up.
Sam Hoare
211 Posted 24/06/2024 at 11:21:07
Dave A@204, I think Beto's looking for penalties is a symptom of his desperation to succeed. It's something that can be easily coached out.

I was watching his goals from serie A again and there is a really good variety. I wonder if all the people writing him off have seen them? A mix of well timed runs, powerful headers, and even a scissor kick from the edge of the box showing great technique.

I think far too many people lack nuance when looking at players performances and are not considering factors such as confidence and consistency. Beto was clearly lacking in both last season.

I'm not convinced he will be first choice even if DCL did leave but if he was then I think he could surprise some. Or maybe not. But either way as Mike G says I'm not sure we've given him enough time yet for concrete judgement.

Mark Taylor
212 Posted 24/06/2024 at 11:27:20
Kieran 186

I think that is a fair assessment. The issue is there is a gap between promise, which I think we agree Chermiti has, and realisation. They are thin margins but they exist. You see this in all high level sport. Not quite good enough is still incredibly good.

On the other hand, I place my faith (maybe over optimistically) in our manager and DoF to have seen something compelling and in the former's case, if and when he judges him ready from what he sees in training- which we don't see.

I tend to agree with Robert and others that this coming season will remain a hair shirted existence. We need to sell to meet PSR and there certainly won't be money to buy a £40-50m striker, unless we sell pretty much all of our crown jewels, even assuming such a striker saw us as a good career move at this point.

On the other hand, if we can just hang in there for a year, maybe two, the PSR position should improve markedly and with savvy new owners re-structuring our debt and properly capitalising us, and a new stadium proving a spark as well as some additional revenue, maybe we could get back to being a proper EPL club rather than a husk of one.

At least, that's what I feel in my more optimistic moments

Shaun Laycock
213 Posted 24/06/2024 at 11:40:08
I love Dom but...
1: he would want to stay or everything is immaterial
2: the moneymen will decide
3: if he does go, who will replace him for similar/less money?
Ray Said
214 Posted 24/06/2024 at 11:41:58
Some very good and varied points made about Beto and his abilities. I think most agree his attitude and effort on the pitch has been good though. I think he will do well against some middle to weaker teams and not so well against the better teams but will prove to add a useful variety to the mix as long as we are not reliant on him as first choice against all opponents. Its likely that its those middle to weak teams that we will be competing against again so he will be useful
Mal van Schaick
215 Posted 24/06/2024 at 12:32:30
Keep him and Branthwaite and Onana, and add a few players around them. This squad did okay last season and if we keep it together and add a few it will do even better next season.
Iain Johnston
216 Posted 24/06/2024 at 13:00:14
If DCL is sold I have a feeling Chris Wood will be getting out of the taxi which takes Dom to Lime St.
Christine Foster
217 Posted 24/06/2024 at 13:03:45
Iain I confess the same thought had occurred to me.. will it be the Lukaku scenario all over again, never replaced? Just made do with what we have?
Sam Hoare
218 Posted 24/06/2024 at 13:05:15
Links to Gnonto again today. Either him or Minteh would be a breath of fresh air and add some genuine pace to our side on the counter.
Christine Foster
219 Posted 24/06/2024 at 13:12:48
You have to ask the question, if we sold DCL, for whatever number, who is available that is better option for the same money (or less) Its great we have Chermiti coming through, but here and now we need a proven striker. Maupay? (never) Beto? (struggled)
DCL has played in the Premier League for 8 seasons. He is experienced and is more than worth his place if we play to his strengths, even when we don't he still contributes massively to the team.
So, where do we get an experienced striker for what we would sell him for?
Remember Lukaku and what happened when he went?
Christy Ring
220 Posted 24/06/2024 at 13:45:34
Let's get real here, Everton were a lot better team last season with Dom playing, imagine if we had two fast wingers with him up top. Sadly it looks like he's going, but if we don't bring in wingers with speed, and who can cross the ball, it doesn't matter who's upfront, even if we signed Haaland, he'd be living off scraps. By the way McNeill has a good left foot and would be better as a 10. When you're judging DCL, look at the formation he had to play in after we lost Richi and James.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
221 Posted 24/06/2024 at 13:49:03
Exactly Christy. My post #197

1.42 points per game with Dom. 0,91 points per game without him.

Over 38 games that is
with 54 points
without 35 points.

One is comfortably mid-table - the other is last game of the season relegation dogfight.

Ed Prytherch
222 Posted 24/06/2024 at 13:59:50
PSR rules allow us to buy a 30M striker for instance, on a 3 year contract for a charge of 10M in next year's P&L, selling DCL for 30M and buying a replacement for 30M gives our Current P&L a 20M boost. I believe that is our strategy.
Michael Lynch
223 Posted 24/06/2024 at 14:14:38
Indeed Ed, and selling a homegrown talent like Branthwaite for, say, £60m, would in theory allow us to buy £300m worth of talent next week, amortised over five years.

Quirk of the system, and an even quirkier quirk when we are swapping home grown talent with teams like Villa and the Barcodes. We sell them DCL for £30m, they sell us their kid for £30m, and each of us immediately has £144m buying headroom under the PSR rules (five times the profit on the sale, less the first year of five years of amortising on the purchase). The Saudis will exploit this to the hilt, cos they have plenty of dough to spend once they cut loose of the PSR limits binding them.

Mark Taylor
224 Posted 24/06/2024 at 14:19:32
Ed,

I think you are broadly correct but it is a truly asinine way of arranging things and quite obviously stores up massive problems down the line as you still have large depreciation while quite likely needing to buy anew. Not everyone will profit on transfer trading, pretty much by definition.

It strikes me as a ponzi scheme method of accounting, suitable for fixed asset investment but not for employees, and it amounts to kicking the can down the road. It reminds me a little, albeit in very different circumstances, of PFI in the NHS where you get your shiny new hospital, 'free' at first, but then find excessive costs down the line forcing you to cut your operating budgets.

Paul Smith
225 Posted 24/06/2024 at 14:39:31
Move is off and good. We need him here. Let's not sell him.
Michael Lynch
226 Posted 24/06/2024 at 14:45:12
Media saying we were asking £40m for DCL. I would imagine a fair deal, bearing in mind the PSR get-around element, would be £25m for DCL, with us paying £35m for Yankuba Minteh. As it is, the Barcodes can probably sell Minteh for close to £30m to another club, and get a DCL type player cheaper.
Steve Brown
227 Posted 24/06/2024 at 14:46:09
Mike @ 194,

“I must have missed the games where Cannon, Simms and Dobbins contributed goals and assists. Between the three of them, two goals and no assists.” Not quite.

Here are last season's stats:

Ellis Simms - 19 goals and 4 assists.
Tom Cannon - 3 goals and 2 assists (13 appearances)
Lewis Dobbin - 1 goal 0 assists (15 appearances)
Dwight McNeil - 3 goals 7 assists (41 appearances)
Youseff Chermiti - 0 goals 0 assists (20 appearances).

“I believe Chermiti is destined to be an outstanding player.”

He might, but he has demonstrated no more evidence of that than Dobbin, Cannon or Ellis.

Brian Williams
228 Posted 24/06/2024 at 14:52:43
I think Mike may have meant when they played for us Steve.
Christy Ring
229 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:00:14
Alan Myers says the DCL sale to Newcastle is dead in the water, great news in my opinion
Soren Moyer
230 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:07:33
Yeah. Apparently The Skunks are not interested anymore due to asking price (£37million).
Link
Ian Bennett
231 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:08:17
Blues valuation is supposedly £40m, but Sheffield United have a 20% sell on clause.

I can see him going Germany or Italy. Milan are after a strike after Giroud, and the fashion is good. Some English lads in Tomori and Loftus Cheek already there.

Ray Roche
232 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:09:07
I would be delighted if he were to put pen to paper on a new contract, rather than bugger off for nothing next year. If he doesn’t want to be here then he might as well go.
Ed Prytherch
233 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:12:09
Mark 221, Sure the strategy kicks the can down the road but that may be OK if we pay off the loans and get the interest off the P&L.

Maybe DCL would have more goals if there were more crosses into the box but playing a left footed winger on the right guarantees that there will be no early crosses from that side. How many times did we see Harrison run towards the corner then stop and take a couple of touches to get the ball on his left foot, giving the defence all the time in world to cover him. I don't understand why Dobbin was not tried on the right.

Jack Convery
234 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:42:30
As there are now two transfer deadlines - the PSR June 30th and the actual one, it seems to em this will be a case of who blinks first. Whoever is doing the deals right now - I presume it's Thelwell - is doing a good job. Telling Manure to get real and now insisting the barcodes meet our price for DCL. 37m with them wanting £30m for an untried 19 year old in the EPL.
Jimmy Carr
235 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:47:22
I would rather he stayed, but if he is going to go, then let Thelwell create a bidding war. Even if it's a false one!
Ian Pilkington
236 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:47:30
Excellent news, like Branthwaite we are out pricing our prize assets from the grasp of undeserving predators.

Irrespective of his alledged book value with 12 months left on his contract, I am astonished how many on here seem happy for him to go for a derisory £20M and seriously believe we could acquire an adequate replacement.

Phil@218 hits the nail on the head.

Steve Brown
237 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:48:10
Brian @ 225, yep I know.

Mike was being partial in selecting his data points. It didn’t suit his argument that Ellis left and bagged 19 goals with his new club. Or that Tom Cannon scored as many goals in 13 games for Leicester as Beto and Chermiti did in 50 games combined for us last season.

When you release or sell James, Richarlison, Gordon, Iwobi, Cannon, Ellis, Dobbins (and possibly DCL), replacing them with Beto Chermiti, Harrison and McNeil, the outcome is league finishes of 16th, 17th and 15th.

If DCL stays it is great news, as the alternative of Beto, Chermiti, Ndiaye, Wood or McBurnie leading the way in attack is not going to improve those league positions next season.

Brian Williams
238 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:52:32
Steve, both players you mentioned scored those goals in the championship.
Huge difference between that and the prem.
Yes they've both done very well, at a lower level.
Paul Hewitt
239 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:53:20
It's ok saying not selling Branthwaite and DCL is great. But don't we need to raise funds by the end of the month?.
Mike Gaynes
240 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:55:15
Christine #195, spot on re DCL. It's my opinion that Dyche is capable of managing with more skill and attacking flair, but I don't think we have that yet. We're not rebuilding at this point, just trying to maintain. Hopefully that changes quickly when Friedkin hands Moshiri the check.

Steve #224, Simms and Cannon weren't playing in our shirt, or even in our league, when they made their contributions. They made virtually none to Everton.

I will say that I felt at the time that selling Simms was a big mistake -- potentially a Robinson-sized mistake. Seems like it might turn out that way.

Brian Williams
241 Posted 24/06/2024 at 15:57:27
Paul#236.
In a word Paul. No.
Anthony A Hughes
242 Posted 24/06/2024 at 16:01:43
Whether anyone rates DCL or not, the main argument a lot of people used last season was that he never got the service.
So it doesn't matter who we bring in to replace him unless it's complimented by a couple of pacey wide men and an actual No10 that can create and play football.
Joe McMahon
243 Posted 24/06/2024 at 16:03:39
Let's hope he doesn't leave on a free in 12 months time. I too Paul thought we needed to raise funds sharpish.
Paul Hewitt
244 Posted 24/06/2024 at 16:08:03
You sure Brian. I'm sure I'd read we need to raise 30 million.
Brian Williams
245 Posted 24/06/2024 at 16:15:05
Paul. I "heard" it was less than that but I think with the £20m from Castore and £10 from the Dobbin sale (don't know if all that £10m counts or not) we're in the clear.

Could be wrong, it has been known, often. 😂

Thing is, depending on which site you believe, anything could be true.

Colin Glassar
246 Posted 24/06/2024 at 16:16:30
Keep DCL, sell Onana and get Richarlison back. Sorted.

Oh, and Maupay can go for a fiver. I think that keeps our heads above water.

Ian Bennett
247 Posted 24/06/2024 at 16:30:44
Castore will be in 24/25 numbers and not before.

Iwobi, Gray, Cannon, Simms, Samuel smith, Dobbin, plus loan fees for maupay and Holgate will be in 23/24 numbers - plus any other player sold between now and 30th June. Not far off £50m raised post remaining book value.

Brian Williams
248 Posted 24/06/2024 at 16:35:51
Thanks for that Ian. 👍
Alan Rooney
249 Posted 24/06/2024 at 16:41:16
What if managment have taken the view that keeping Branthwiate and DCL will see us winning more than 1 point than we would without them. 2 points was all we were docked for going over PSR limits this seaon. IMHO, that's a good call.
Kieran Kinsella
250 Posted 24/06/2024 at 16:46:18
Here we go, shit stirrers at work already per the BBC:

"Swap Weekend

But it wasn't 1 September, it was a normal Saturday in June. And one thing all four of these busy clubs have in common? Concerns over their Premier League 'Profit and Sustainability' (PSR) position as they approach the 30 June accounting deadline.

This flurry of transfer activity immediately drew scepticism, but has also annoyed some rival clubs.

And BBC Sport knows of at least one club that is so concerned it intends to raise the matter with the Premier League."

Some loser club no one wanted to swap with I suppose.

Ray Roche
251 Posted 24/06/2024 at 16:54:41
Brian@242
I read that the cost of an incoming player can be spread over the length of his contract, say three years, but the money from a sale counts straight away for that year’s accounts.
Brian Williams
252 Posted 24/06/2024 at 16:59:55
That's my understanding too Ray.

I mistakenly thought we were out of the woods due to the Castore money coming in but what was told to me was the amount we were "over" PSR was a lot less than was generally being bandied about, and that we'd be fine and didn't have to sell any of our major players to comply.

I hope that's accurate and true!

Tom Bowers
253 Posted 24/06/2024 at 17:26:50
I would imagine Barcodes wanted a cut price deal given DCL's injury problems but obviously their valuation was way below Everton's.

I like DCL and if he stay's 100% fit then he can still be a big asset next season but usually once injuries kick in to one's career they never seem to leave.

Dale Self
254 Posted 24/06/2024 at 17:28:57
Colin and Brian, sorry for not showing up to be fully embarrassed but no, not joking. I've seen enough of McBurnie to know we would get a few goals from him. Beto definitely will pick up form in his second season. They are both tough as fuck and our midfield will be much less profligate with possession around the box this season.

I do get a few of these right you know.

Paul Kossoff
255 Posted 24/06/2024 at 17:34:42
Look a bit sheepish now won't you Dom. Won't sign a new contract, wants to leave, Everton not good enough, seems Newcastle don't think you're good enough for them, now that's a shame. Obviously he has a higher value of himself than others. My opinion, withdraw any new offer and tell him to f off.
Andrew Keatley
256 Posted 24/06/2024 at 17:43:11
Paul Kossoff (252) - Your opinion is, in my opinion, totally blinkered.
Ryan Holroyd
257 Posted 24/06/2024 at 17:49:43
How do you know he wants to leave Paul
Colin Glassar
258 Posted 24/06/2024 at 17:52:51
Dale, I was not trying to embarrass you. I just think mcburnie is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen in the prem and I’ve seen a few.

He has mobility issues. He’s a dirty sod with a poor discipline record and he’s ugly as fuck. A poor,version of Freddie Flintoff.

Paul Kossoff don’t you rate DCL then?

Brian Williams
259 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:08:48
Dale#251.

Like Col, not trying to embarrass you but despite the fact you say you get a few right I don't think this is one of those times.

Brian Williams
260 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:11:05
Ndiaye's on his way, he'll weigh in with goals.
Liam Mogan
261 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:12:05
Colin, not sure if being ugly is necessarily a reason for not signing somone! Although I agree McBurnie isn't somone we should be looking at. Not good enough.

DCL is a handsome lad. Doesnt improve him as a player though.

Dale Self
262 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:17:26
I think you both are being a bit choosy. McBurnie would be on a free. While his mobilty isn't top class, his positioning and timing in the box is effective.

Again,this isn't about a replacement for DCL. It is a quick fix until we can get funds for a serious long term prospect. We may have to turn over a few positions as the market makes opportunities. Keeping DCL into the last year without a new contract is not the solution. Sign extension or sell.

Dave Cashen
263 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:18:00
Looks like DCL may have decided to let his contract run down. At the end of next season He will be able to name his own wages and we will get nothing for him.

Seen this film before. This will be the bit where all those people who have given him dogs abuse for years start labeling him a greedy treacherous bastard because he isn't showing enough loyalty towards them.

Brian Williams
264 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:25:29
Liam I think you're taking Colin's comment/s a bit too literally. ;-)

Liam Mogan
265 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:29:15
Colin keeps mentioning ugly strikers Brian and not being easy on the eye myself, I find it upsetting
Brian Williams
266 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:38:08
Hey Liam you're in good company but hey he's right we don't want no Orcs playing for us.

We may be shite but we're lovely looking.

Changing the subject how do people feel about "The Qatar Airways Stadium?"

Andrew Bentley
267 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:49:00
@paul kossoff. Mcburnie is awful. Absolutely not fit for the prem otherwise someone would have bought him years ago. He can’t get near a poor Scotland team and has scored 26 goals in 146 appearances for Sheff Utd in 5 years, most of which time has been in the championship. Would love to know what you’ve seen in him!

I for one, want DCL to stay as he makes us a better team when he’s in it. Get some decent support for him and you watch him score!

Paul Kossoff
268 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:50:28
Andrew, why? We have carried him practically his whole carrier, we don't owe him anything, he does what he's paid to do and now is showing no gratitude to Everton. Stop with this bullshit idea that any player has any loyalty to anyone or thing but his bank account. Oh we all have to support Dom we mustn't have a go at him he may hit us with one of his hand bags, now u can disagree with me again for being handbag phobic.
Colin Glassar
269 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:51:26
I apologise Liam if I’ve upset you. I read somewhere that good looking people tend to be more succesfUl in most walks of life compared to ugly ducklings.

I mean, how many Oscar, Grammy winners are ugly? Same goes for sports people albeit with exceptions like Beardsley and Stevie me lar.

Remember, it’s your inner beauty that counts.

Liam Mogan
270 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:56:09
It's OK Colin. I accept your apology whilst wearing a paper bag over my head.
Kevin Edward
271 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:57:11
Problem is, we don’t know whether Dom wants to leave or if the club need to sell.
I wouldn’t be upset if Dom wanted a crack at success with another club, but if he’s happy and wants to stay then he should negotiate a new contract and sign.
Probably other clubs will be interested if he’s looking for a big move.
But he shouldn’t mess us about, he knows the situation the club is in with PSR.
I wonder whether he really fancied Newcastle? Or is waiting for London calling?
I hope he signs and stays for another ride on the roller-coaster.
Colin Malone
272 Posted 24/06/2024 at 19:06:23
DCL want to go to London. Thank You and good luck Dom.
Brian Williams
273 Posted 24/06/2024 at 19:10:17
Fuck's sake Colin a single poster makes a wild guess and you appear to take it as gospel?
Brent Stephens
274 Posted 24/06/2024 at 19:30:24
Paul #265 "Stop with this bullshit idea that any player has any loyalty to anyone or thing but his bank account."

I give you Seamus.

Paul Ferry
275 Posted 24/06/2024 at 19:33:25
Ray Said 211:

“I think [Beto] will do well against some middle to weaker teams and not so well against the better teams”.

No truer words spoken Ray when we look at his Serie A record where the bulk of his goals were scored against “middle to weaker teams” and two or three against “the better teams”.

Paul Kossoff 252 etc. (and 2020-2024):

You do talk uninformed rubbish at times (with your pathetic but oh so hilarious “handbag” jibe). “Newcastle don't think you're good enough for them”. Quite the opposite, Newcastle wanted him, and badly, but balked at the deliberately artificially high fee we set. Read, research, think, before you post. On the other hand, however, you can write some cutting intelligent stuff that gets to the nub of the matter and offers top-drawer advice to Thelwall and his crew: “My opinion, withdraw any new offer and tell him to f off”. Incisive, decisive (by the way, Michael Kenrick has asked that we spell out “fuck” rather than spray-paint with your “F”).

Kevin Molloy
276 Posted 24/06/2024 at 19:44:33
I can't see Dom wanting to run his contract down. He only needs to have another injury ravaged campaign and nobody will touch him with a barge pole. No he will want to get things nailed down one way or another this summer, whilst he can show he's just done a full season.
Kieran Kinsella
277 Posted 24/06/2024 at 19:49:02
Dave

"all those people who have given him dogs abuse for years start labeling him a greedy treacherous bastard."

260 plus posts and no one has said that. Also, not sure generally being supported, earning 100k a week, but having some random posters on ToffeeWeb call him "championship at best," plus a smattering of frustrated boos from a minority in one game qualifies as "dogs abuse."

In the real world there are people earning a pittance actually getting dogs abuse every day from bosses, coworkers, family. In the football world there are also players having all kinds of objects thrown at them by their own supports, being constantly abused on social media, having the media chase them down constantly to find any whiff of scandal that can sell a rag. In the big scheme of things he is not and never has suffered "dogs abuse" assuming that is "dogs abuse" in your mind doesn't mean simple criticism of his finishing, frustration with his injuries, and a tiny minority of ill informed insinuations about his sexuality that are routinely shouted down by the masses. But yeah never miss a chance to get on your forklift and berate the fans.

Shane Corcoran
278 Posted 24/06/2024 at 19:49:10
Where has the suggestion come from that a contract has been offered and/or that it was turned down?

Of all rumours I’ve read, I’ve still not read that one.

Christy Ring
279 Posted 24/06/2024 at 19:59:22
Paul#265 ' We have carried him practically his whole carrier', presume you mean career. So him being isolated up front, with limited supply from the wings, playing against two centrebacks, he destroyed Van Dijk in the derby, runs the
channels, how many corner kicks has he cleared in our box, yeah right, we've carried him, and you still insult him over his off field activities.
Ian Bennett
280 Posted 24/06/2024 at 20:00:14
He's been offered a new deal, but has yet to sign or formally turn it down.

It's not inconceivable that Everton offered more than Newcastle. But that would be unusual as you'd expect the agent would have leaked that on.

Paul Ferry
281 Posted 24/06/2024 at 20:07:41
As I understand it Shane, 275, he has been offered a new contract and talks are still ongoing.

Nothing unusual in that and nothing wrong with DCL weighing up any options he might have. Let's wait and see rather than rush to judgment about anything especially when, like tappy-tappy warhorse Paul Kossoff, we know exactly fuck all about what is actually going on other than that our club placed a rather off-putting 40 millionish price-tag on DCL.

Shane Corcoran
282 Posted 24/06/2024 at 20:22:18
I don’t think we even know that Paul.

All we know is that the media says something’s going on, which was kind of my point.

Joe McMahon
283 Posted 24/06/2024 at 20:23:11
From comments on social media (I know) Toon fans happy. As noted on here, 40 million price tag for someone so injury prone is madness. I just hope he doesn't leave Everton for zilch In June 2025.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
284 Posted 24/06/2024 at 20:53:58
RE the Beto only scored against mid to lower table teams in Italy

2016/17 - the season we sold Lukaku. He Scored 25 goals and we finished 7th. So glad I didn't delete that spreadsheet a few days ago. Was just about to!

4 in 12 against the top 6
11 in 14 against the middle 7 (including 4 in one match) - so 7 in 13
10 in 12 against the bottom 6

So how does Beto in Italy compare with that? And if it does are you happy to have someone who scores 25 goals a season?

Robert Tressell
285 Posted 24/06/2024 at 21:02:13
Hopefully he signs a new contract - otherwise he'll be off for free at the end of the season.
Robert Tressell
286 Posted 24/06/2024 at 21:02:13
Hopefully he signs a new contract - otherwise he'll be off for free at the end of the season.
Denis Richardson
287 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:09:00
If he doesn’t sign the contract I can see this going into late August before he leaves for less than £40m. By which time we’ll be panicking about signing a replacement.

Not surprised the barcodes pulled out, I thought £35m was punchy given how few games he’s played last couple of years and with only one year on his contract.

We stuck to our guns I guess. Fingers crossed he does sign but there were other clubs interested too I think so am not expecting him to stay.

Paul Kernot
288 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:13:42
Wayne Rooney was a decent player and a handsome lad with it
Danny O’Neill
289 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:28:53
Decent? Rooney was unbelievable. We just didn't see enough or him at Everton.
David Currie
290 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:44:19
Rooney could easily have played in the Premier League at 15 as he was an amazing talent.
Walter Smith knew it but did not want him to have all that pressure put on him.
Gavin Johnson
291 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:57:12
I think anything over £30m is wishful thinking on our behalf...That said, Newcastle are doing the same, if they think their lad is worth £40m after one good season in the farmers league.

I think there's other variables going on in this deal, in that we apparently owe Sheffield United as much as 20% of the DCL fee, and Lyon have allegedly offered £40m on Minteh according to some sources, whereas we had £30m in mind.

Jerome Shields
292 Posted 25/06/2024 at 00:22:13
Apparently Newcastle have pulled out having been asked for£40 million.I think£20 million is the right evaluation.
Ed Prytherch
293 Posted 25/06/2024 at 00:31:38
We may have to realise some profit from a player sale before the end of the month. Who can we most easily live without who did not cost much to buy?
Jack Convery
294 Posted 25/06/2024 at 01:58:42
Times back page reporting EPL looking at these swap type deals as they may breach rule of acting in Good Faith. I wonder if this is why Newcastle pulled out ! or was it £37m fee for DCL ? Afterall asking over £30m for a kid with one good season in the Dutch League might be seen by some to be taking the p*ss. Whereas, Branthwaite has had 2 good seasons back to back, with CL experience and an England Cap, hence a rather realistic value of £70m has been put on his head by EFC.
Mike Gaynes
295 Posted 25/06/2024 at 03:40:31
Hey Yanks, is there any way we can possibly transmit to the Merseysiders the true drama of a Game 7?

One hell of a hockey game.

Paul Ferry
296 Posted 25/06/2024 at 04:32:30
We have relegation/promotion and play-offs Mike and don't need to be schooled in excitement mate. And we prefer games when we can actually see the ball or whatever it is duck, buck, muck, puck, suck.

The one US sport I really like is college basketball - I lived in Chapel Hill for a while - and I enjoy the rituals of going to Wrigley Park in person, but hockey is the worst of major US sports.

Danny O’Neill
297 Posted 25/06/2024 at 06:08:58
Mike, I don't know how you, Christine and others do it, getting up some ridiculous hour to watch Everton. Respect.

Having spent a lot of time in the States and more recently Texas, I watched American football and adopted the Longhorns. I kind of understand it. Reminds me of Rugby League. Not identical, but there are parallels. I don't know if it's a Texas thing, but the support for college football is unreal. Crowds of up to 100,000.

I was reading Alan Myers. He was a bit non-committal, but indicates Everton and Newcastle are talking with Minteh possibly coming to us. They also apparently having to shed players to avoid PSR penalties.

Countdown is on, and soon we'll be back at Goodison and can get on with the football!!

Alan J Thompson
298 Posted 25/06/2024 at 06:22:28
Let's not overlook that AC Milan might also be interested and think what that might do for his rumoured second job.
Paul Ferry
299 Posted 25/06/2024 at 06:24:50
Danny, the Michigan big house is the temple of college football, capacity, 107,061. Every game is sold out. Ann Arbor, by the way, is a wonderful city.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
300 Posted 25/06/2024 at 06:55:38
Mike, It is Ice Hockey, not Hockey.

Hockey is a game played on grass/astroturf with a ball where you can only use on side of the stick (makes it a bit more skillful) and you cannot use your feet to control the ball (making it yet more skillful) and any violence is limited to having a 5½oz ball hit at you at speeds around 100mph - oh and "accidentally" getting hit by the opponents stick when you are not wearing significant quantities of padding and a helmet.

The only skill in Ice Hockey is staying on your feet.

Will say, Hockey is becoming softer. I have seen players now with gumshields and wearing facemasks when facing penalty corners. Never in my day. Shin pads were the limit of protection.

Paul Ferry
301 Posted 25/06/2024 at 07:03:32
We do range widely on here Phil, but, as you say, ice hockey is really pushing the boat out and our hockey is much more skillful. Sorry MG, a shit 'sport' that means nothing for 99 per cent on here, 99.8?.
Robert Tressell
302 Posted 25/06/2024 at 07:12:26
Alan # 295, its the same issue with Tony Hibbert - he wanted to play for River Plate
Paul Ferry
303 Posted 25/06/2024 at 07:13:37
Getting back to footy. MG is spot on. Watch the highlights of Columbia v Paraguay and tell me/MG that we could not really do with James and Yerry, both of whom have been on downhill trajectories since they left us.
Eric Myles
304 Posted 25/06/2024 at 07:14:12
Jack #291, acting in good faith? That's rich coming from the EPL!
Mark Murphy
305 Posted 25/06/2024 at 07:34:27
“Reminds me of Rugby League.”

Wash your mouth out with soap Danny Boy!

For one, they throw the ball forwards.

Two, they can tackle players who don't even have the ball.

Three, they wear more Armour than a tiger tank including crash helmets.

I could go on but I'm obviously biased. Rugby League is fast and furious and, for me, the most entertaining sport in the world. I even prefer Rugby Poshboy to American “foot”ball.

Jerome Shields
306 Posted 25/06/2024 at 08:02:20
Kieran #28,

I estimated Everton have to make a £12M profit. I was not able to take in account adjustments. This would bring the 3-year losses below the PSR threshold. Doubling the losses in the 2022-23 financial year was a real bummer.

I would say Everton will be referred to an independent commission next season. Damage limitation would be prudent for Everton.

Tony Abrahams
307 Posted 25/06/2024 at 08:11:17
Rugby league is definitely up there Mark, and for sheer skill, guts, passion and desire, then I think the “state of origin” must be one of the top five sporting events played worldwide.

Soccer is the pinnacle though, whoever said that it is “the opium for the people” used a great description, but it’s over saturated nowadays, which means I try to leave it alone as much as possible.

Seriously, I am only talking about myself, but I was watching Italy v Croatia, last night, and was telling my ten year old to watch the game, because he loves doing skills.

Watch the game, I kept telling him, because there’s so much skill being used in this game lad, so if you really want to learn about playing football, you would get off your i-pad now. Then my phone went, any call off Danny O’Neill, is really important right now, and I didn’t even bother watching the second half, and still don’t know how the game finished right now.

Hopefully we see a lot more games of such thought and technique, during the rest of the tournament, because if we do then football will be the winner🤞

Ian Bennett
308 Posted 25/06/2024 at 08:14:26
The Premier League are furious on academy player trading circumventing PSR. And are looking to make changes to close the loophole.

But selling Hotels to yourself remains okay. Righto...

Ernie Baywood
309 Posted 25/06/2024 at 09:06:37
Ian, there will always be unintended consequences of any rules.

I'm sure they're thinking, FFS can't these lot not just behave themselves?

Right now I'd happily see the bubble burst. It would only take one reduction in tv revenue for it to happen. I don't particularly care how clubs do in Europe anyway so a strong English league phases me very little. The money in the game is obscene.

Christine Foster
310 Posted 25/06/2024 at 09:13:56
Dave 204# Well you know what they say Dave, God loves a trier..
Unfortunately his patience ran out after the Stracq!
Christine Foster
311 Posted 25/06/2024 at 09:15:32
Danny, I think I stayed on GMT when I came over.. either that or I fall asleep when driving.. lol
Danny O’Neill
312 Posted 25/06/2024 at 12:01:59
Get over for the Goodison finale Christine. You'll love the view of the new Everton Stadium. She is majestic.

I'm still of the opinion that had we witnessed James. in the flesh, many would have had a different view on him. I could see the talent.

Christine Foster
313 Posted 25/06/2024 at 12:22:40
God willing I'll be there Danny, working towards it every day.. in my back yard so to speak..
James? TBH I think he lost heart and any real interest when Ancelotti left. Then came Rafa and he was history.. the damage that man did was incredible, if, as I seem to remember, Kenwright was dead set against it, then even he knew by then just what he had done selling to the Russians accountant..
But what a player.. out of our class at a sorry point in our history..
Dave Cashen
314 Posted 25/06/2024 at 18:00:28
Keiran Kinsella.

Your vendetta's, jealousy and hypocrisy are a joy to behold.

Me berating fans ??? It's barely a week since you were told to back off after repeated attacking Paul The Esk, claiming he was making false claims - Just before you claimed you knew all along what he was telling us.

And who was it who falsely accused one of the TW's most respected posters of being a Kenwright apologist..until the penny finally dropped for her - This despite the fact that she had been venting her anger against him long before you jumped on the bandwagon.

It was you who, on discovering Chelsea got a fifth who came on the LF with a spiteful vindictive attack on one of the most popular posters. - As if it was his fault. Why ? Because he had been positive. Of course you knew he was at the match and wouldnt respond.

These are not part of debate. nor are they isolated incidentS. they are unprovoked attacks aimed at discrediting other posters.. You are always doing it. You deeply resent the fact that other people are admired and respected.

This site is about Everton. Not Keiran Kinsella's desperate attempt to be Queen Bee or the "canary in the coalmine" - cringe.

You are always there front and center on matchday threads telling everyone where Dyche and the team are going wrong, but when you recently "confessed" that you have not been arsed watching or paying to watch Everton games, you merely confirmed something which is becoming increasingly obvious. You don't know what you are talking about. You are simply regurgitating other peoples opinion.

You can dismiss the boo's that greeted DCL'S departure from the Villa park pitch with a broken jaw as the actions of a Teeny weeny few. But those boos were loud enough to be heard in every football watching family home in the country.You can dismiss the years of constant innuendo's concerning his masculinity/ sexuality as the thoughts of an ill-informed mini minority.

Your attempts to gain traction by claiming people less well off are abused in the workplace is pitiful. This boys mental health struggles are well documented. No abuse is acceptable. Anywhere.

Your attempts to play down the abuse DCL has taken/Takes and the way you use his 100k wage to justify your argument speaks volumes.

I know what I have seen and heard. We ALL know what we have seen and heard.

But Hey; Never miss an opportunity to climb aboard your digger and start digging.

Mark Murphy
315 Posted 26/06/2024 at 16:27:51
Tony, I think I'm the correct quote was “Religion is the opium for the masses” wasn't it? Karl Marx?

Football is more the amphetamine, unless you're watching England when it becomes the diazepam..

Kieran Kinsella
316 Posted 26/06/2024 at 16:32:15
Same old Darren lol
Jerome Shields
317 Posted 27/06/2024 at 03:37:14
It is going to be difficult to sell Calvert-Lewin.
Raymond Fox
318 Posted 27/06/2024 at 15:29:05
Callum Wilson would have been a good recruit for us when he left Bournemouth.

We signed the other guy from Bournemouth who left at the same time, I forget his name now, we always get it right, don't we? Maybe we tried but he didnt want to come, who knows.

He's 32 now, but he always looks an active fit lad, I wonder if a swap kind of deal could be worked out with Calvert-Lewin going the other way. I'd also want a few bob + Wilson for Calvert-Lewin.

Newcastle seem to have lost interest in Dominic so it looks like I'm whistling in the dark about the above.

Jack Convery
319 Posted 28/06/2024 at 10:47:39
Geordie news outlets reporting Calvert-Lewin going to the Barcodes is back on.

Minteh apparently wants to come to us – remarkable (in a David Coleman voice)!

Maybe we and they have consulted our legal teams to see if we are actually breaking The Masters Sacred Rule Book - you know the one - The Lesser Teams Will Forever Remain Lesser Teams. The legal teams must have said get on with. They can't touch you.

Brian Wilkinson
320 Posted 28/06/2024 at 19:20:51
Jack @319, how dare you have a pop at Masters questioning £10 million for Dobbin... :-)

Yet he never questioned £8.8 million for Tom Cannon, £25 Million for Brewster, or £42 Million for Palmer

Seems their plan for Everton to sell Branthwaite on the cheap has backfired, we have well and truly stuck one over them.

Let's hope Everton and Newcastle strike a deal to really piss him off.

Dave Abrahams
321 Posted 28/06/2024 at 19:44:08
Remembering crazy transfer financial costs when deals had people wondering why the fuck clubs were paying outrageous prices for relatively unknown players, about 30 years ago, someone came into the Goblin (pub) and told us Man Utd had just signed Andy Cole from Newcastle for £6M plus a reserve player valued at £1M – Gillespie(?) — none of us could believe it — not sure if Andy Cole was that well known at the time!

Mind you, Cole turned out to be a cracking signing — we paid £6M for James bleedin' Beattie!

Jerome Shields
322 Posted 28/06/2024 at 20:56:37
Apparently there is a push on to get a deal done by Sunday.

Calvert-Lewin and Minteh.


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