Fan Article Wrong Place at the Right Time Alan McMillan 06/01/2025 32comments | Jump to last When Everton sacked Frank Lampard in January 2023, Sean Dyche was a name on many Evertonians' lips. He was available, he had a solid if unspectacular reputation, his teams were hard to beat but also hard to watch. We were in disarray on and off the pitch, and he was viewed by many as a safe pair of hands. He would steady the ship, navigate us to safety and give us pragmatic but limited football. Fast forward 2 years and we are arguably worse off than we were under Frank. We cannot buy a goal and the current modus operandi appears to be:- They shall not pass. The most we can hope for with this approach is a 0-0 draw (I have had my fill of these), while one mistake and we are consigned to a loss. The players look as if they have absolutely no clue what to do going forward, they look completely uncoached and disjointed. They are less than the sum of their parts, devoid of any confidence, taking an extra touch when bravery and instinct is required. On top of this, having Dyche publicly criticise the players – in my opinion – will not help. This is absolutely a management and coaching issue. There are 12 players out of contract this June. The significance of this cannot be understated. We need to clear out the current management team and give whoever we select the rest of the season to assess the squad and help us to hit the ground running come August 2025. There is so much work to be done between then and now. I have been unimpressed with the names linked with one of the hardest – but most prestigious – jobs in English Football. Steve Cooper, Gareth Southgate, and Graham Potter are very different in their approach; I'm not sure any of them can steer us clear of relegation this season while preparing for the next. Article continues below video content We are used to a certain type of football, if not in the recent past, then certainly through the lore of the teams from the '60s, at times in the '70s, and definitely from the mid-'80s. Everton supporters are extremely demanding, we constantly compare current teams with those of the past. This is no bad thing, it just makes it an almost impossible task for any manager to deliver the success we crave given the current footballing landscape. Sean Dyche will not give us the style of football we crave. We need someone who understands the club ethos, the fans, the footballing culture and the history. I would go with Lee Carsley and Seamus Coleman. Based on the objectives outlined by the new owners, Carsley would be the ideal candidate to develop young players, give them a chance, and build for the longer term. Coleman can instil the ethos of the club and drill into them the privilege and responsibility that comes with representing this wonderful club. The respect his peers seem to have for our captain could give us the “new manager bounce”, a fresh impetus, to kick-start our season and drag us to Premier League safety and the Holy Grail of Bramley-Moore Dock, still a member of England’s top league. Recent grumblings from Dyche, erratic and regretful comments at press conferences, point to a man who is under pressure, who is looking for excuses rather than answers. He may look back at his time at Everton as being at the right place, but the wrong time. Evertonians will probably say it was a case of the wrong place at the right time. I wish Dyche well, but he is not the man to take Everton forward. Reader Comments (32) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer () Barry Rathbone 1 Posted 06/01/2025 at 20:47:48 An ex first division manager once told me you don't coach top flight players. You tell them what style you want and practice drills but you don't coach passing, kicking, heading, tackling etc. If players want to hone these things they stay after training and work their own routines.Fans just don't seem to know this. Paul Kernot 2 Posted 06/01/2025 at 21:56:54 Interesting article, Alan, and thank you for taking the time.A couple of observations:1. Carsley has repeatedly said he doesn't want or isn't ready for a top-flight management role.2. Seamus I assume isn't qualified as a coach or manager, as far as I know?Finally, and surely I can't be the only one who's noticed but Dyche's last two post-match comments have trodden a well worn track of managers who've given up as they know it's when, not if. Publicly blaming players for not doing what he told them to do? Really mate? Is that all our huge wedge buys us? Colin Crooks 3 Posted 06/01/2025 at 22:16:57 Was it Jimmy Hill, Barry? Derek Thomas 4 Posted 06/01/2025 at 22:34:48 There comes a time when 'you know' — we've reached that. Dyche will leave a day or two before his anniversary"They shall not pass." Or, as it could be called, KITAP1. Keep it Tight... fair enough if you do — but too many times we don't! And Pinch One — we really fail on that.Rewind 20 years… and I'm still writing about a manager with a Poor Plan 'A' and No Plan 'B'.People were asking... why do we play 5 in mid-field? To which the answer was: because we don't have a '4' good enough to do the job and this clown is sometimes sending out a 2- or 3-man midfield.10 years ago, I was writing about Rogers's Liverpool over-running us with their intensity...(and some might even allege inhalers). "We've struggled to score goals for 2 years."Well, Mr Dyche, you've had 2 years to fix the problem – care to comment?No? Though not.Taxi! Paul Kernot 5 Posted 06/01/2025 at 22:47:01 Chinny Hill. Now there's a name that takes me back to Match of theDay, 10 pm Saturday nights. I had to get my younger brother to sleep in our shared bedroom before I was allowed to come downstairs and watch it. Rarely have I felt such frustration, hearing that theme tune when the little shit, who wasn't into football BTW, wasn't asleep, so I had to wait til he was! Martin Mason 6 Posted 07/01/2025 at 08:00:10 Barry, rather than any fan not understanding that I see it as a statement of the obvious. Mark Murphy 7 Posted 07/01/2025 at 08:48:03 Barry - 100% understand that. In fact I wouldnt think that only applied to top flight players.Any professional footballer should be able to do those basic skills.Even my vets team recently had coaching from an ex pro (Craig Brewster - replaced Big Dunc at Dundee and scored the winner in the Scottish FA cup final) and he told us the same. He even applied it to us, saying if you cant trap or pass a ball go and play rugby. Len Hawkins 8 Posted 07/01/2025 at 09:04:47 Mark it seems the inability to pass is a prerequisite for the recruitment of Everton midfielders. Perhaps a Rugby League team in Liverpool may return. Mark Murphy 9 Posted 07/01/2025 at 09:07:17 Len, May they all go to play for Wigan! James Hughes 10 Posted 07/01/2025 at 09:08:19 Dyche, when still at Burnley, said that we had forgotten how to win. Well he has certainly enforced that distant memory and turned it into amnesia. Len Hawkins 11 Posted 07/01/2025 at 09:18:10 Jasper Carrot said Goldfish only have a memory span of 3 seconds our Ginger Leader has some of those traits then. Colin Glassar 12 Posted 07/01/2025 at 09:19:06 It will be interesting to see who he blames at todays presser. “Its not me, Im fine, its the players, the club, the staff at Goodison, the the fans, the weather. Its all been shit well before I got here”.A last minute penalty to beat Peterborough 1-0, after another drab performance, will hopefully be enough to see him ejected from the club. Mike Doyle 13 Posted 07/01/2025 at 09:35:10 Colin # 12] I was thinking the same thing. Dyche's press conference / interview explanations are sounding increasingly like Paula Vennells at the Post Office enquiry. James Hughes 14 Posted 07/01/2025 at 10:45:19 mike, except Paula Vennels shed a few (crocodile) tears. Dyche looks like he doesn't care Dave Abrahams 15 Posted 07/01/2025 at 11:38:20 James (14), Unlike Paula Vennels I dont think Dyche deserves to go to Jail! Alan J Thompson 16 Posted 07/01/2025 at 15:06:36 So if you are DC-L or one of our other lone strikers I suppose staying behind and practicing passing to players who aren't there has some sort of purpose, if only practice could make you dribble passed every opposition player then we probably wouldn't need Managers or Coaches, just some sort of video technician, substitutions at given times or do we do that already and a bingo caller to name the team, we already have Directors of Football. Si Cooper 17 Posted 07/01/2025 at 21:09:30 What are we defining as coaching? Surely it includes instructions on how you want the team to play and drills to make it second nature?Makes sense you don't devote your ‘team' sessions to sorting out certain individuals' weaknesses, but those weaknesses must be noted and the coaching team will back up any work individuals want to take on. Otherwise, there is no ‘management' going on. Jim Bennings 18 Posted 07/01/2025 at 21:25:02 Nothing at all personal against Dyche but his record speaks for itself – it's abysmal.21 victories in 76 league games.4 months without a win last season, from before Christmas right up to Easter weekend.It's my feeling that, if he hadn't won that derby in April, I think he'd have been sacked last summer.It was that spell in April which kept him in a job – what has happened either side of it has been God-awful. Mike Gaynes 19 Posted 08/01/2025 at 01:08:53 Alan, a well-presented article, but I am totally unconvinced by the case you make for Carsley and Coleman. Between them they have absolutely zero experience in managing a top-flight football club, let alone a club in a relegation fight. Developing young players for the longer term and "installing the ethos" of the club are nowhere on our list of priorities right now. All that matters -- and I mean all that matters -- is winning enough games to stay up and be a Prem club entering the new stadium. Unless ethos can put in a good free kick or finish at the back post, time enough for values when the primary mission is accomplished.We need a management team that has done it before. Choosing one that hasn't seems to me to be the likeliest ticket to opening at BMD against Millwall or QPR instead of Spurs or Chelsea. Jim Bennings 20 Posted 08/01/2025 at 05:45:33 Seamus isn't manager material, I'm sorry but he's not.There's a big difference between being a nice fella or even a competent Captain, to being a manager in the ruthless landscape that is the Premier League.It's fans sitting there again in this idealist Blue World.Seamus, Dunc, Baines, Rooney, none will cut it at this level anymore than say Frank Lampard did.We are not in a position where we can start some kind of test case. Sam Hoare 21 Posted 08/01/2025 at 06:11:01 Carsley looks an intriguing option as manager and did great work with youth teams for England. Perhaps theres a world in which he does for us what Arteta did for Arsenal but that could only happen in the summer.To throw him into what is looking like another tight relegation battle would be an incredibly sharp learning curve that would be very likely detrimental to both parties.We need a manager who has managed a struggling team before. Potter has done that and I think he would have been a good option, will be interesting to see how he does at West Ham. Colin Crooks 22 Posted 08/01/2025 at 07:39:10 Burnley sacked Dyche the week after beating us. With eight games left.They were still in the fight to stay up. They foolishly promoted an inexperienced assistant from within.Mike Jackson got a reaction initially including a win against an already relegated club, but his inexperience told. He couldnt win any of the crucial last four games and Burnley slipped out of the league.I know several Burnley matchgoers. None of them liked Dyche. Not one, but they all believe that replacing Dyche's proven fire fighting skills with a popular but inexperienced Jackson put paid to their chances of survival.Jackson has relegation on his CV forever and while I don't doubt Seamus could generate an initial bounce too. I think it would be a huge mistake to put him in the same position Andrew Clare 23 Posted 08/01/2025 at 08:25:25 Does anyone else find these headlines- 'Everton fans want David Moyes as Dyche's replacement' alarming? Martin Mason 24 Posted 08/01/2025 at 08:44:45 I really hate to say it but keeping this idiot at the helm is probably the best of several bad options given the massive risks of change at this time. Yes we will have the huge risk of relegation by total incompetence so we are in a lose-lose situation. We signed our death warrant by employing this numpty and known failure at every level. We can only hope now. Mark Murphy 25 Posted 08/01/2025 at 08:47:41 Jim, I dont disagree that it would be premature and foolish to consider Seamus as a candidate but I think your way off in assuming that Seamus is too nice to get there eventually. Seamus has got a hard and ruthless streak running through him a mile wide. Id love to see him groomed for the job in the future through the ranks at the club.For me he is Mr EvertonUTFT Robert Tressell 26 Posted 08/01/2025 at 09:01:56 It is extremely unlikely that TFG will appoint a player manager or part of the academy coaching squad (like Baines or Paul Tait). Di Rossi was appointed at Roma but they were at the other end of the table - so no risk of relegation - and Di Rossi had managerial experience at SPAL (in Serie B) and with the Italian national team set up. It seems such an unlikely move for us it's probably not worth arguing about the merits or demerits. Rennie Smith 27 Posted 08/01/2025 at 09:15:41 Sorry Jim#20 I agree with Paul in that I believe Seamus would be a hard and ruthless manager. I'm not putting him forward to take over, I'm not even sure if he's done his badges etc. but someday I think he'd make a great manager. Being Seamus though, he would probably start his management career in the lower leagues, looking to earn his way up the ladder, not just parachute into a big job.Martin#24, you talk about the risk of a change, I'd say the greater risk is keeping the dinosaur on. He said in his presser yesterday he thinks he's handled things pretty well, he's building the story that no one could do better than himself. Deluded. Christopher Timmins 28 Posted 08/01/2025 at 09:22:34 Folks, if the manager is changed, given the circumstances we find ourselves in, the first imperative will be to find someone who has experience of the League and sets up to play counter attacking football as the squad they inherit is simply not one that can successfully play front foot football. Contributors are entitled to suggest that things would be better if we played in a more open and attractive manner but I very much doubt if the results would be better unless we bring in a number of additions between now and the close of the window and our injured players become available for selection.If there is a change, I hope that it is done a manner which is totally different to the completely disrespectful way that West Ham appear to be making their change. If Mike G is correct in his assessment of the new owners then this will happen.As regards potential candidates, the only minus to Sarri would be the squad he would inherit. He would need time to overhaul it. Above all, lets hope that by the end of the month, James, Dwight, Tim, Seamus and a couple of upgrades are available for the run in! Jay Harris 29 Posted 08/01/2025 at 10:09:44 There can be no doubt that SD has lost the majority of supporters and therefore anxiety from the crowd will have an effect on the players.What we need beteeen now and the end of the season is some inspiration and determination. IMO Dyche is in capable of this now and therefore change is needed urgently.As for who we can all speculate who might be able to sort it out but there can be no doubt we need an experienced pair of hands in the s as short term. I hate to say this as if the circumstances were different would have a different opinion but Moyes or Mourhino would be my picks on a 12 month rolling contract. Jimmy Hogan 30 Posted 08/01/2025 at 17:55:50 It is a matter of record that Potter is greatly admired and respected as a coach by Guardiola and Bielsa. That's good enough for me. However, we've dithered yet again and he's on his way to West Ham. Robert Tressell 31 Posted 08/01/2025 at 17:58:02 Sadly Jimmy, he might well have rejected us even if we'd moved first. We could well have asked already and been rejected. Nigel Scowen 32 Posted 08/01/2025 at 18:22:32 Colin @22Correct me if I'm wrong here but, when Burnley were relegated, didn't Jackson win 3 and draw 1 of his last 8 whereas Dyche won 4 of his first 30? (As I say, correct me if I'm totally wrong here.) If that is the case, though, you could argue that they simply left it too late to get rid of Dyche. Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. How to get rid of these ads and support TW © ToffeeWeb