Fan Article Goodison Park Legacy Project We're reposting this piece from last February as interest has been sparked recently on another thread. Relevant messages on that thread have been transferred here — The Editor James Pankhurst 22/01/2025 34comments | Jump to last I started composing this letter over 18 months ago with a view to put it out there for debate (and hopefully some action from those who may be of influence) but, due to the roller-coaster issues we’ve been through in that time, I have held back on forwarding it until now as I was unsure if it would get the full focus of other fans whilst we were fighting to preserve our Premier League status and more recently, dealing with the ridiculously draconian points deduction for breaching PSR rules. But now, with the new stadium in its final year of completion, time is of the essence regarding the looming subject of the Goodison Park Legacy Project. I am sure there are many like-minded people who may feel the same as I do about the prospect of the complete demolition of Goodison Park as part of the legacy project for the site which would effectively mean that no trace of any of the original structures of the stadium would remain. I, like all Evertonians, am really excited about moving to our new home at Bramley-Moore Dock and also understand that we must move with the times and take our club into a new phase for future generations to enjoy and I for one, cannot wait for that first game in our shiny new riverside stadium to witness the start of a new chapter in our illustrious history. I am also realistic enough to realise that the legacy project for Goodison Park will mean that sadly, we cannot expect the Grand Old Lady to remain in its entirety and that we should embrace the important local community services, jobs, businesses and homes that this proposed redevelopment will bring. However, what saddens me most is the fact that there is practically nothing in the new plans that will incorporate anything of the old stadium, particularly the most historic parts of the ground such as the 1920s Gwladys Street end and the Bullens Road stands, along with their Archibald Leitch latticework designs, left for anyone to see what was there before. I also feel that just having a modern building that mimics part of the 1970s Main Stand on Goodison Road, or the proposed building earmarked to replace the Park End stand, which would only retain the more modern ‘Goodison’ sign in lights above it, or even a grassy centre circle in the middle of the development, would come anywhere near enough in terms of a tribute to memories for what this site so richly deserves. During the Club’s proposed move to Bramley-Moore Dock, a lot has been debated about the importance of retaining the heritage of the city and, to their credit, the Club have taken this on board to ensure that the original dock walls, hydraulic tower, cobbled areas and rail tracks etc have been preserved and indeed, showcased within the redevelopment so that future generations can physically see, experience and appreciate what went before and to fully understand how this city can evolve and be future-proofed so that past stories aren’t forgotten. But to my mind, if an old, derelict dock and, let’s face it, a dock that the majority of people in this city hadn’t seen (or even heard of) before the stadium project came to light, can cause so much perceived love and affection for it, as if it were the local equivalent of Stonehenge or something, whilst another, even more historically important site in my view, known to everyone in the city and indeed millions of people across the world, can disappear without a trace and without a second thought, is quite frankly, beyond me! I sometimes wonder what the mindset is of the likes of English Heritage and some of the desktop warriors in this city, who would kick up such a fuss over the infilling of an old disused dock, of which there are numerous (and better) examples all along the city’s waterfront, and when plenty of other docks have already been in-filled in the past for various reasons (a least 10 others to my knowledge, including one under the site of the water treatment works next door) without the enormous outcry that the Bramley-Moore Dock project has caused. But I will leave that to others to debate (as I think we all know the reasons why anyway…) But my main reason for raising this is why has nothing been said about the complete demolition of such a historically important structure as Goodison Park which has been a part of my life for over 50 years and for hundreds of thousands of other people’s lives for nearly 150 years? Why is maritime history deemed more important than sporting or social history? But enough of my rantings on the mindset of others as it hasn’t stopped the new stadium build going ahead anyway and, at the time of writing, the erection of the new ground is well underway and already looking magnificent. And so, back to the Goodison Legacy Project. First of all, let me be clear. I think the majority of the project is superb and no more than the local community of Walton and Kirkdale deserve for putting up with disgruntled (and occasionally, elated) match-going Evertonians over the years! As I mentioned before, the importance of this project regarding jobs, community services, education etc is immeasurable for this part of the city and it’s vital that they get it right. But for me, this can still be achieved whilst retaining a genuine piece of Goodison itself, for those of us from outside the L4 area to have an excuse to revisit occasionally and reminisce of bygone times at the Grand Old Lady. I am realistic enough to know that the developers would not want to retain the whole structure of the ground and refurbish it for the community’s required needs. Nor even keep the entire Gwladys Street and Bullens Road stands, similar to what Arsenal have done with their old Highbury ground, because, let’s be realistic here, L4 isn’t the first place most people would choose for a luxury apartment, is it? No, my proposal would be to just retain the corner of the ground where Gwladys Street and Bullens Road stands meet, maybe up to the first exit tunnels of each stand for example, and incorporate it into the proposed new buildings on either side. For me, this would leave a tangible and iconic slice of the oldest parts of the ground, which has witnessed countless memories from the times of Dixie Dean up to the present day. A ground that has also been graced with the likes of Pele, Eusebio and not forgetting our very own Holy Trinity of Ball, Harvey and Kendall. Also, I feel that corner of the ground just happens to be not just the oldest, but the most unique and structurally interesting part of Goodison anyway, with its ‘higgledy-piggledy’ upper level facias that don’t quite join up with each other. That corner would also then retain both examples of the remaining Archibald Leitch designs, the criss-cross lattice work on the Bullens Road stand, compared with the solid vertical lines of the Gwladys Street stand. This, to my mind, could be a stunningly physical and historical focal point for the whole site rather than just a gentle ‘nod’ to what was there before. If history can be preserved at Bramley-Moore Dock, then why not at Goodison Park? You only have to look at examples of other stadiums such as Sunderland’s Roker Park, Leicester City’s Filbert Street or even Spurs’ White Hart Lane grounds which have now completely disappeared, and all three of them being Archibald Leitch designs too. I for one know that many Sunderland fans for example, whilst proud of their new ground, bitterly regret the loss of their old stadium to a bland housing estate with nothing left other than a small piece of the old red & white steel latticework being on display at the entrance to a car park at the Stadium of Light. I know that Everton’s legacy plans are so much better than these examples with regard to the community facilities they will provide, but what a massively missed opportunity it would be not to have an iconic part of one of the most famous football stadiums in the world to be incorporated into such an important project. That said, the question also needs to be asked: What would this corner structure be used for? As it would admittedly, pose an expensive and awkwardly-shaped part of the project to turn into something useful as well as compliment the surrounding buildings for the site without the architects having to start from scratch. And this is where my own limited knowledge falls short and would obviously need more ideas and examples from others to turn it into an attractive and viable proposal going forward. Having said that, I do have a few things in my mind's eye that may kick off a more thorough debate if enough interest can be generated. But for me, as this project has not physically started yet, it would need to be the new buildings complementing and showcasing the older, more historical parts, and not the other way round. Given that this proposed corner plot would effectively be shaped like a ‘slice of cake’, the first thing that comes to mind is an amphitheatre-type structure if, for instance, at least some of the seats were to be retained. This may not be such a pie-in-the-sky idea as some may think, especially if there is a grassy park or stage area in front of it. I was fortunate enough to be present at the Tony Bellew fight at Goodison a few years ago which took place in that very corner of the stadium so I know it can be done occasionally. And I am not saying that every event would need to be on the same scale, but just to get an idea of what can be achieved if enough thought is put into it. And it isn’t just boxing. What about plays, concerts etc? And I would bet our late chairman, Bill Kenwright (RIP) would have loved the idea of a theatre on the very spot where his beloved Boys Pen used to be! Also, this theatre-shaped structure, with the right funding, would not always have to be an outdoor venue if it were enclosed with glass with a stage space at the front for events during the colder months. And what about the inside of the venue? How about a local sports bar, named “The Grand Old Lady”? A cafe and retail space for official and independent EFC merchandise such as Toffee Art and fanzines or even a football-themed art gallery? A local market space under the stands among the existing girders and posts could be another option. Also, there could be office space above for meetings for the various Everton supporters groups or other institutions such as the Everton Heritage Society, for example. The list of possibilities is endless. I feel that such an iconic space would be a magnet for locals and visitors from further afield and ensure some real, tangible ‘life’ is continually attracted to the area in the absence of matchdays, bringing in much-needed revenue into the community which I feel that locals alone would not be able to provide. Reader Comments (34) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer () Kevin Molloy 1 Posted 22/01/2025 at 17:20:07 The clock is ticking on Goodison Park. I only just found out it's being demolished. Last time I read anything on it, they were going to preserve it. I don't understand, why demolish it, what are they going to build on it, a Netto? I think it's gonna take 20 years for the new stadium to start feeling like a home match, and even then it'll never be Goodison. Brian Williams 2 Posted 22/01/2025 at 17:24:26 Kevin.It was never planned to preserve Goodison.Right from the start, the plans were released showing its use as a mixed residential area including some sort of community centre or area.Whether those plans are still exactly the same, I don't know. Kevin Molloy 3 Posted 22/01/2025 at 17:27:43 That's not what it says here, Brian:Saving Goodison Park 'It has historical purpose for football and for the city' John Flood 4 Posted 22/01/2025 at 17:48:13 Brian is correct. It was never proposed that Goodison Park would be retained as it is. The site is to become the Goodison Park Legacy Project, outlined here: https://ukgbc.org/resources/goodison-legacy-project. I understand this has had formal planning permission granted. It is simply not practical to effectively mothball the old stadium when we move, as it would cost the club a considerable sum of money to carry on maintaining it. At least it looks like the pitch is going to be turned into a feature rather than just build houses over it like at Maine Road and Roker Park. Brian Williams 5 Posted 22/01/2025 at 17:54:59 Kevin.That story by the Red Echo no less is all "consider" looking at and maybe's.The plans for what is/was to happen are widely available and well down the road to becoming reality. Eric Myles 6 Posted 23/01/2025 at 01:14:00 Kevin, that article is from March 2017 and the development has been firmed up since then.Maybe the new owners could be petitioned to save it if they feel we don't need the money it would generate?My wish was always that it would be kept as a living museum to house the David France Collection so everyone could visit and view the history of English football.And the pitch itself could be used for ladies home matches and local and England schoolboy matches like I used to attend back in the late '60s.Perhaps the Club could sell it to our new owners and generate more funds than letting a developer get a cheap bit of land? Worked for Chelsea.Maybe in the future we could even rent it to the neighbours when they lose capacity on their next loft extension. Mike Gaynes 7 Posted 23/01/2025 at 02:05:55 Simon, open those beer nuts right now, mio amico. I don't doubt your prediction for a moment. Although they did us a solid selling us Rom, didn't they? And then he ripped 'em open for one of the best goals ever. I watch that play back at least twice a year. Eric, I like your solution. I think it would be great to have the women playing at a retooled Goodison. I played a couple of games at Kezar Stadium in San Francisco, long retired from hosting NFL games. They had lopped off the entire upper deck and opened the place up for local high schools and clubs to use for championship games and special occasions. Way cool. Ian Linn 8 Posted 23/01/2025 at 04:20:25 Mike G - what's the difference between Beer nuts and Deer nuts?Beer nuts are $3.95, Deer nuts are just under a buck . I'll get me coat. Mike Gaynes 9 Posted 23/01/2025 at 06:36:16 An oldie but a goodie, Ian. Eric Myles 10 Posted 23/01/2025 at 06:50:53 We'd have to keep the Leitch Stands intact, Mike #226, as they're part of the history.I was so serious about this, I wrote to English Heritage and World Heritage to see what they could do about preserving the first purpose built stadium but they said it's up to the owners of the stadium to approach them as the owners are still responsible for the upkeep but receive their grants to help out.There was no chance of that happening under Chairman Bill. Mark Murphy 11 Posted 23/01/2025 at 08:08:47 Im sure I read on here recently that we sold Goodison Park a while back? Derek Knox 12 Posted 23/01/2025 at 08:22:55 Putting sentiments to one side, the continuance of Goodison Park as a historical preservation, I would imagine would present many financial questions. The running costs alone wold be astronomical. Let's face it, while it could be potentially used for Women's Youth, and other local sides it is hard to envisage the potential number of supporters filling more than one stand. The empty stands would still require maintenance.Unless the new owners would be prepared to fund this, even with a possible grant, I would also imagine from a business perspective, and they are business people, it would make little sense.As Mike G, has stated this, or rather a similar discontinued venue, has been undertaken in the States, it can't be totally discounted. However, I would be very surprised to see it happen. Mike Gaynes 13 Posted 23/01/2025 at 08:57:07 Derek, here's an article with a look at Kezar Stadium as it stands today in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. You also would have seen it in the movie Dirty Harry. It hosts lots of small-scale sports events and school championships and the like. https://www.profootballhof.com/blogs/2011/06/blogs-choudhrys-chronicles-remnants-of-kezar-stadium/The transition of Kezar was hastened by an earthquake, but I see no reason why the same thing couldn't be done with Goodison if the city had the will and the Friedkins provided some of the money. Kevin Molloy 14 Posted 23/01/2025 at 09:20:12 Goodison is not sold, and as a Premier League club, I'm sure once you allow for all the grants we could get for a group like the Friedkins, maintaining Goodison would be small potatoes. And if it didn't work out, you could always sell it in the future. I saw some footage of Upton Park being bulldozed, it was horrendous. The thought of that happening to Goodison, it's not worth thinking about. And seems so unnecessary. If you're Arsenal, then yes, Highbury is going to fetch a bomb, but a football pitch in L4? And with the sentimental attachment everyone has for it, I think it would be nuts to demolish it. Rob Dolby 15 Posted 23/01/2025 at 09:57:45 Maybe the club should keep hold of Goodison and Park End car park, Dixie and the Holy Trinity statues.When the time is right sell them back to themselves. This will enable us to spend £1B on players, like Chelsea have done, just a thought! Brian Williams 16 Posted 23/01/2025 at 09:59:42 I can't think of a better more fitting plan for Goodison than the one presently in place (if it still is).We're getting a state of the art new stadium on the Mersey so it's a dream come true for us.Let's think of those nowhere near as fortunate as us, the locals and residents.I just can't see keeping Goodison as it is being viable or sensible.The proposed plan is, IMO, a brilliant one that I'd just love to see come to reality.Goodison Legacy Project Si Pulford 17 Posted 23/01/2025 at 10:08:22 Sell Goodison back to ourselves, like Chelsea with the hotels. Boom, £600M. Win the league in 2026. Ian Wilkins 18 Posted 23/01/2025 at 10:43:25 Plans for the redevelopment of Goodison Park, the Goodison Legacy Project, were part of the BMD planning application. The project aims to support the local L4 community so leaving a Goodison Park legacy. It includes affordable housing, care home, some retail and open green space (I think where the pitch currently is…). Work was planned to start in 2026. Joe McMahon 19 Posted 23/01/2025 at 11:13:49 Si, the problem is it would get booked by overseas reds ST holders. But on the other hand they could be charged £££££s for a room! John Gall 20 Posted 23/01/2025 at 11:30:50 Kevin – totally agree. It would be cultural vandalism. Years from now people would be asking - how could they let this happen? Walton is going to be devastated by this move. Rob Halligan 21 Posted 23/01/2025 at 11:46:16 Differing opinions on what happens to Goodison. If, it were to remain as a football stadium, then take the Upper Gwladys Stand off, the Upper Bullens off and the Top Balcony and half the Main stand off. Need to keep half of it because the changing rooms etc, are underneath there. Build a new roof over the lower Gwladys, Lower Bullens and remaining Main Stand. Park end remains untouched. I still think it will get demolished and whatever the original plans were to replace it go ahead. Tom Bowers 22 Posted 23/01/2025 at 12:15:17 Nothing stands in the way of progress and sadly Goodison may be a non-entity soon enough. I, like many, have many many unforgettable memories but the Alan Ball FA Cup winner in 1967 was the best.Being an ex-pat, I haven't been since the early days of Wayne Rooney but will miss the old girl if she is demolished.I remember Brian Labone owned a racehorse which he named Goodison and Like many other punters backed it when it first won which I believe was 20-1. I didn't do much after that.Not many good memories over the last few seasons as it isn't the fortress it used to be, seems like what good results we have had have been away.Still we must move on and I am sure great things will happen at the new stadium. Brian Harrison 23 Posted 23/01/2025 at 12:35:08 I think the original plan was make a garden there for people to scatter ashes and a garden for contemplation. I really don't see the point of leaving the Dixie statue there or the statue of the Holy Trinity. They both must both be erected on the concourse of the new Everton Stadium, just like the statue of Law, Best and Charlton is prominently positioned at Old Trafford. They are part of our history and to leave them behind for me would be unthinkable. Alan McGuffog 24 Posted 23/01/2025 at 12:41:47 The Leitch thingies must be preserved somehow.... would be sheer philistinism if they were discarded. They are on a par with the Elgin Marbles although how you're supposed to roll them beats me. Bubbles eh! Clive Rogers 25 Posted 23/01/2025 at 12:48:34 Mark, I think Kenwright did sell Goodison, but it was bought back by Moshiri. Everton FC certainly own it now. The plan is to demolish the ground and to redeveloped. In February 2021, Liverpool City Council voted in favour of Everton's £82M plan to redevelop Goodison Park into a mixed-use scheme featuring 173 homes and 51,000sq ft of offices.As well as the homes and office space, the outline proposals for the Goodison Park site in Walton comprise a 63,000 sq ft, six-storey care home, more than 107,000 sq ft of space for community uses, and 8,000 sq ft of retail and leisure space. Steve Brown 26 Posted 23/01/2025 at 12:50:14 Goodison Legacy Project Joe McMahon 28 Posted 23/01/2025 at 13:19:15 I agree with Brian. Everyone sees the Law, Best, Charlton statue, because of its good position. Same should be done at the new Everton Stadium. Blackburn Rover's statue of Jack Walker is also hard to miss.And no, I don't want a Kenwright statue! Phil Roberts 29 Posted 23/01/2025 at 14:09:34 Regarding the iconic Leitch stand. More worthwhile keeping than the twin towers of Wembley?As blues we say yes, but if they can do that to them then what chance something more difficult to dismember. Dennis Stevens 30 Posted 23/01/2025 at 14:29:33 I like the idea of saving that corner of the ground. It has to be viable and with an ongoing purpose, of course. However, if that can't be saved then there's not much else I'd be bothered about, tbh. It'd be wonderful if they could turn the whole site into a home for the Women and perhaps U21, etc. Much would still have to be removed and remodeled to provide a much simpler, lower capacity, facility though. Brian Williams 31 Posted 23/01/2025 at 14:38:19 The decision's already been made, Dennis. Dennis Stevens 32 Posted 23/01/2025 at 14:42:14 Yes, Brian. Lots of decisions get made. Remember HS2? Brian Williams 33 Posted 23/01/2025 at 14:53:54 Well, let's just say there'll be no footballing "facility" of any description there. Kevin Molloy 34 Posted 23/01/2025 at 15:11:48 Yes, I'm not sure this is all a done deal, Brian. The Friedkins will be going through everything at the moment, and it wouldn't take much to move things in a different direction if they so chose. Dennis Stevens 35 Posted 23/01/2025 at 15:18:49 I have no expectations, Brian. Merely expressing a view as to what would be appealing to me, subject to ignoring all other considerations, of course. Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. How to get rid of these ads and support TW © ToffeeWeb