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The Friedkin Group have added a new investor in Everton, with the announcement that American billionaire Christopher Sarofim has joined the holding company Roundhouse Capital. 

Sarofim will be given an observer position on Everton's board of Directors. Everton will remain under the day-to-day control of TFG, which bought the club from Farhad Moshiri last December.

Sarofim’s family company, Fayez Sarofin & Co, manages assets worth an estimated $31B (£23B) and Everton’s owners have recruited him with a view to giving them access to broader sources of funding.

The 62-year-old fund manager is also a minority shareholder of the Houston Texans NFL franchise. His personal wealth is reported to be more than $3.7B. His money is believed to be going into Roundhouse rather than the club. No new shares will be issued at this stage.

 

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Ryan Holroyd
1 Posted 23/04/2025 at 11:55:43
New Investor joins the ownership. Interesting…
Danny O'Neill
2 Posted 23/04/2025 at 12:13:18
I've just read that, Ryan. Christopher Sarofim. An American billionaire worth an estimated 20BN plus. Joining Everton investor. Not just on dubious click-bate social media, but in a lot of reputable media outlets.

Christy, there is one already. The plush Titanic Hotel, which is literally across the road from the stadium
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Titanic Hotel

Ian Bennett
3 Posted 23/04/2025 at 12:15:28
Yep, on main site. Looks like the funding to buy the next door dock is my guess and another place on the board?
Ryan Holroyd
4 Posted 23/04/2025 at 12:15:31
Now confirmed by the club, Danny.
Danny O'Neill
5 Posted 23/04/2025 at 12:18:31
All looking positive Ryan. The future is blue. This city is ours.
John Cook
6 Posted 23/04/2025 at 12:37:12
I agree to a certain extent, Alan. It's just that to me the potential in the North of the city is so obvious.

Probably why Sarofim is joining the board. Some big investors are going to make a hell of a killing in the future.

Andrew Ellams
7 Posted 23/04/2025 at 12:38:49
He's worth $3B Danny but the investment fund he manages and where I guess any funding would come from is currently standing at $31B.

Although the orange manchild is doing his best to knacker that.

Mike Hayes
8 Posted 23/04/2025 at 13:17:24
The future looks to be getting brighter and bluer 🥳💙
Barry McNally
9 Posted 23/04/2025 at 14:29:01
Not a whisper of this before…

I like TFG's style.

Danny O'Neill
10 Posted 23/04/2025 at 14:31:16
The stadium is done, so he has nothing to do on that side.

I am going to assume that he will be here to look at business development opportunities in the area around the stadium and hopefully invest some funds into the transfer kitty.

This is all positive news, but there is still a lot to do on the future playing infrastructure (academy, scouting network, management).

Ron Sear
11 Posted 23/04/2025 at 15:25:25
Do you think he can afford to put up a bus stop outside Bramley-Moore Dock so us old folks can get there?
Tom Bowers
12 Posted 23/04/2025 at 15:35:00
Surely good news?

We have been a ''poor relations'' club for many years and way behind the Saudi-backed clubs and of course the Americans behind Liverpool.

It's no surprise the product on the field has performed better since Moshiri went and Moyes was appointed.

Obviously we need new blood to get up to Blue heaven but the signs are there that good things are happening.

I, for one, cannot wait till this season ends and the new era begins at the new stadium.

Paul Kossoff
13 Posted 23/04/2025 at 15:40:37
Sarofim is the first new investor to join Everton's ownership group, but more are expected. TFG is understood to be targeting investors with specific skill sets and contacts rather than celebrity investors to attract attention in a model favoured by other American owners.

The 62-year-old fund manager is also a minority shareholder of NFL franchise Houston Texans. He was with Goldman Sachs, so he's no Farhad.

Martin Mason
14 Posted 23/04/2025 at 15:49:29
Starting to look very good at last with professionals being taken on at the very top. Spending rate will be limited by FFP but the future is starting to look amazingly Blue.

That area will dominate the riverside and Mordor will look like a shack. I could yet see, not just a rerun of the '60s but a great, great club again before I leave this mortal coil for that Blue Heaven.

Colin Glassar
15 Posted 23/04/2025 at 16:41:25
Paul, did you just copy and paste that from The Guardian?😉

Sounds like we're finally entering the 21st century. What a difference from the Moshiri & Kenwright clown show with their “board” containing The Three Stooges.

Btw, this guy doesn't appear on Google or Wikipedia. Are we sure he's real?

Nigel Scowen
16 Posted 23/04/2025 at 16:45:44
Martin @14

Does give you the impression, doesn't it Martin, that we are at long last starting to have some serious people involved at the top of the tree as opposed to a West End theatre impresario.

Barry @9,

I also like the fact that TFG keep their business to themselves until there is something worth announcing, Barry. Some on here though won't like that – particularly when it comes to the summer transfer window.

Paul Kossoff
17 Posted 23/04/2025 at 16:49:52
Colin, let's call it a collection of info, which after all is what even the top journalist does is pass information on. You don't think anything on here written by the mods is directly from them do you?

I put in what wasn't included by our ToffeeWeb journalists. We are all just passing on others' news.

Barry McNally
18 Posted 23/04/2025 at 16:56:29
You wait 24/7 for a billionaire investor with brains to come along, and then two arrive in less than 6 months!
Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 23/04/2025 at 16:57:53
Sarofim is another Houston guy... that's obviously how he knows Friedkin. His dad was a legendary investor who built the family company and died a couple of years ago at 93.

Sarofim has been an advisor, board member or patron of multiple local medical organizations like MD Anderson Cancer Center, Baylor College of Medicine, Texas Heart Institute, UT Health Development Board and Texas Children's Cancer Center.

He just retired from the BOD of Kemper Insurance and is still on the board of a private real estate development company.

So this is a deep-pocketed investor with a long history with Friedkin, previous professional sports investing (he owns a piece of the NFL's Houston Texans) and some serious business chops. Interesting that he'll be a Board observer, at least to start with, rather than a full director.

Nigel #16, yep, I've mentioned that before about the Friedkins. They keep their cards very, very close.

Mike Gaynes
20 Posted 23/04/2025 at 16:58:32
Barry #18, they travel in herds and have similar migration patterns.
Paul Kossoff
21 Posted 23/04/2025 at 16:59:16
Colin here's something I just found out — not in The Guardian.

Fayez Sarofim, father of our new investor, passed on in 2022, his estate had to pay the American government $700M in taxes.
Jeff Spiers
22 Posted 23/04/2025 at 17:27:09
Kopite neighbour of mine:

"See you blue noses have sold out to the capitalists. Money could be spent on poor areas in decline. The City only needs one team!!"

Erm...

Colin Glassar
23 Posted 23/04/2025 at 17:28:59
It’s just the same statement I read this morning, Paul, that’s all. Nothing to get upset about.

Thanks for the info, Mike. I couldn’t find him anywhere. So what’s he going to do for us? Show us the money!!

The deluded rs have no sense of irony, Jeff.

Danny O'Neill
24 Posted 23/04/2025 at 17:37:11
They are about to win the league and still obsessed by us.

Erm indeed. Jeff. They are pathetic. Did he mention their own capitalist owners? I doubt it very much. They are honestly ridiculous.

Money is going to be spent on a poor and neglected area of the city that has been in decline for decades because of us. But it's best not to try and engage in sensible conversations with them as they can't see past their Bill Shankly and Stevie Gee framed pictures.

Collectively a very sad and bitter bunch.

Nigel Scowen
25 Posted 23/04/2025 at 17:39:13
Or any other type of sense, Colin.
Dennis Stevens
26 Posted 23/04/2025 at 17:49:40
How did you miss him, Colin?

Christopher Sarofim on Wikipedia

Paul Washington
27 Posted 23/04/2025 at 17:51:26
Wondering if he knows anybody who can upgrade train stations?
Mark Murphy
28 Posted 23/04/2025 at 17:52:28
Maybe he was being ironic, Jeff?

“Poor areas in decline” as opposed to what? The affluent suburbia of dockland Vauxhall? The leafy avenues and gentile bowling greens of nearby Tory stronghold, Bootle??

The fuck he's on about?

Nigel Scowen
29 Posted 23/04/2025 at 17:53:44
Dennis @26,

Loadsamoney!!!

Curt Snyder
30 Posted 23/04/2025 at 17:56:28
Jeff 22, your neighbour just gave up the game.

All you need to do is give him a wry smile. They are worried.

Paul Kossoff
31 Posted 23/04/2025 at 18:06:04
Colin, I didn't know you read the same statement I read, what are you getting upset about?

I'm only kidding, Colin, lol – don't get upset.😁

Andrew James
32 Posted 23/04/2025 at 18:26:29
All investment is welcome as long as it's not sport washing or Russian oligarchs.

The bigger the investors buying into us, the more input there will be, better commercial opportunities and somebody to come in should the majority shareholders suddenly sell up.

As people have remarked above, I like TFG's discretion. They get things done and we hear about it once completed. Kenwright used to blab to his media contacts, from what I can tell.

Really interested to see what unfolds next season.

Andrew James
33 Posted 23/04/2025 at 18:33:45
Danny @24

They have very, very brittle egos. I can only guess it comes from the fact we were always the bigger club until the 1970s (?) and their hiatus from the league title for so long.

I don't pretend to understand sending death threats on social media to their own players, burning their shirts or the criminal damage they cause while 'celebrating'.

I also cannot fathom that sense of entitlement they carry about.

Micky Norman
34 Posted 23/04/2025 at 19:06:15
As an “investor” presumably he is paying for his observing seat in the boardroom. Has he bought shares from TFG?

Anyone walking from the Pier Head in the direction of Bramley-Moore Dock and onwards for a bit can see the massive room for development along the shore.

My old Geography teacher used to tell us that the Mersey could be like New York if only the Southern softies in London weren't afraid of investing. Maybe the Americans can see it. With Everton at its heart.

Christine Foster
35 Posted 23/04/2025 at 19:25:03
Perhaps at long last are we seeing the professionalism this club has lacked since the advent of the Premier League. Such a change can only bode well for the club and its supporters.

There is no such thing as certainty in this life but the club now has a strong foundation for the future that must be built on. Whilst operating with discretion is almost unheard of these days, it is a welcome sign in how they approach the running of the club.

There is one proviso and that would be the setting of expectations and the plan to achieve success on the field. A manager with a short-term contract, no director of football replacement and an as yet, lack of clarity on available transfer funds for the coming seasons, the club stance on contracts and loans, as yet so many questions lie ahead.

Now I am certain the club does have a plan, would it be too much to ask if they can share it so we are all on the same page? We are safe from relegation, the stadium is world class, now what's the game plan?

Jeff Spiers
36 Posted 23/04/2025 at 19:45:05
Mark @28,

Your post stirred up an encounter way back in 1973. Bought my first, and, last! drum kit from a second-hand shop on Scotland Road. The owner kindly offered to take it to where I was living on Priory Road.

Football came into conversation. Once Everton was mentioned, he replied "So you're a Tory snob then"? Went into a load of shite about our history, blah, blah, blah.

Me? Born and raised above 2 Public houses, the first, The Grapes on William Henry Street. The second, The Granton on Robson Street. Proud of my working-class background. Nuff said.

Paul Ferry
38 Posted 23/04/2025 at 20:06:51
62? He looks way older than 62.
Dennis Stevens
39 Posted 23/04/2025 at 20:07:39
That's odd, Jeff.

Those who lead Everton across the park to build the new stadium were primarily Liberals leaning towards abstinence, whilst those who remained to form the new club were predominantly Conservatives involved in brewing & licensed public houses.

Colin Glassar
40 Posted 23/04/2025 at 20:07:51
Paul 31, I wasn’t accusing you of plagiarism 😂😂
Liam Mogan
41 Posted 23/04/2025 at 20:12:44
John Houlding, founder of RS, Tory councillor, Freemason and member of the Orange Order.

Champion of the working classes. For fuck's sake!

David McMullen
42 Posted 23/04/2025 at 20:16:18
The more (money men), the merrier.
Bill Hawker
43 Posted 23/04/2025 at 20:35:41
Andrew #7.

Worry about what you're "leadership" is turning the UK into and keep your TDS down to a minimum.

Thank you in advance.

Andy Meighan
44 Posted 23/04/2025 at 20:48:49
Jeff 22.

Still living in their heads rent free then, I see.

Inconsequential though aren't we according to some moron in work today.

My reply, what pub is your season ticket for then, skulled off and said nothing as they all do when you challenge them. Horrible people, the full set of 'em.

Paul Ferry
45 Posted 23/04/2025 at 20:50:22
What is TDS?
Liam Mogan
46 Posted 23/04/2025 at 20:51:55
It's more pizza store pedos type of shizzle, Paul.
Colin Glassar
51 Posted 23/04/2025 at 21:10:50
Is TDS a sexually transmitted disease like VD. Oh, I forgot, VD plays for the shite. I'm confused here.
Paul Ferry
52 Posted 23/04/2025 at 21:13:18
Trump Dissing Statement Colin? This deplorable shit-show?
Mark Murphy
53 Posted 23/04/2025 at 21:13:38
“OK, I see.”
What? What do you see PF??
What is TDS?
Trump Denying Socialists??
What’s William of the Orange on about??
Liam Mogan
55 Posted 23/04/2025 at 21:15:20
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome
Paul Ferry
57 Posted 23/04/2025 at 21:22:05
Thanks Liam. So is that 'derangement' with him or by him?
Liam Mogan
58 Posted 23/04/2025 at 21:30:19
Originally used to gaslight those who criticise the best POTUS in the history of the world ever.

Now seen as a catch-all phrase to describe both radical followers and opponents of the greatest commander in chief and tarrif apostle.

Andrew Grey
59 Posted 23/04/2025 at 21:32:18
Careful, Paul Ferry, you don't want to be deported!

Well, maybe you do?

Tony Abrahams
64 Posted 23/04/2025 at 21:53:35
I remember watching a really interesting programme about how South London, had started developing a lot of very young talented footballers, Ian@60.

It intrigued me because it wasn’t really about coaching children, which seems to be the vogue in this modern age, but more about letting the kids play inside cages, which probably creates an environment similar to playing in the street, which has sadly been lost over time.

They highlighted the skills of people like Wilfred Saha, and said that there’s no way on gods earth, that some of his skilful trickery could be coached into a player, so the conclusion was that he had taught himself.

Innovation is everything imo, and I live in hope that somewhere along the line, Everton can find themselves a talented innovator🤞

Mike Keating
66 Posted 23/04/2025 at 21:57:34
Christine @ 35,

“We are safe from relegation, the stadium is world class, now what's the game plan?”

Hopefully the ‘game plan' includes a serious solution to getting to and from the new stadium.

Si Cooper
74 Posted 23/04/2025 at 22:42:53
Sarofim? Does that mean he's an ‘angel' investor?

Brian Wilkinson
78 Posted 23/04/2025 at 23:47:11
1 point needed yet Tony, if ever we needed a footballing god like no other, please please let Richarlison bang the winner in on Sunday, and make them wait a bit longer, so we can at least have some fun with our neighbours and wind them up while we can.

I suppose throwing a Blue smoke flair in the Kop is pushing it.

Not much to ask.

Dupont Koo
93 Posted 24/04/2025 at 05:01:08
Barry@9, I second. Just look back at how long since Bill said about looking for investors (did he really find one?) vs TFG announcing having Sarofim onboard (after working stealthily behind the scene). For sure, TFG is not fooling around.

Like Paul@13 said, TFG is targeting investors with tons of network who can open doors to more funding channels. I am guessing that TFG has learnt their lessons at Italy: better grab the lands around the stadium first (like in the Monopoly game) and develop them into an Entertainment & Hospitality hot spot (imagine 20 times bigger than Albert Dock) before putting money back into the Playing Squad (with FFP, they can't spend without thinking anyway). Hence, more investors like Sarofim are needed (TFG might still be smarting on the huge amount of money they poured in on players at Roma with nominal returns).

Mike@19, Sarofim himself has a typical CV: upon graduating from university, went to Goldman Sachs to learn the ropes for 2 years before heading back to work for his father's investment management company, before working his way up to secure the Crown Prince status. One point not to overlook: Sarofim's late father-in-law was a mayor of Houston, in other words tons of network within the political circle that might be able to complement TFG.

John Maxwell
94 Posted 24/04/2025 at 05:12:40
The future does look bright although can't spend much due to FFP.

But this just goes to highlight how badly our club has been run for years... no need to name names.

Seems like we have some real professionals now overseeing Everton's future.

Alan J Thompson
96 Posted 24/04/2025 at 06:26:29
This move does seem to have something of the Alcaraz deal about it and after observing a certain number (half a dozen?) of Board meetings does he then have to sign permanently.

A Seraphim on the Board, Bill would be proud thinking there's now two of them, oh sorry, Sarofim, must be careful what you wish for, there's that and what you get. Does he do Superan linked to the season ticket waiting list?

Steve Brown
100 Posted 24/04/2025 at 06:53:34
TFG have started in the right place with the restructure of the executive leadership and management team at Everton. The dysfunctionality at Everton originated there.

It will be interesting to see if they have the expertise to overhaul the football operations structure, including recruitment, in similar fashion.

I am reserving judgement on this as the proposed appointment of Nicky Hammond from Leeds (mooted) does not impress me.

Robert Tressell
105 Posted 24/04/2025 at 07:27:29
All encouraging. What a relief to put the disastrous Moshiri era behind us.
Jerome Shields
110 Posted 24/04/2025 at 08:08:56
TFG will continue to run the Club, aka like their Toyota Franchise.Sarofim seems to be a additional investor for wider projects.There seems to be alot of opportunities:-

"The UK government has established the Shared Prosperity Fund to replace EU funding for projects like docklands development, focusing on three key areas: communities and place, supporting local businesses, and people and skills. This fund aims to level up regions, with local leaders having a greater say in how the money is spent.

Bramley-Moore Dock and Central Docks area in Liverpool qualifies for central government funding through Homes England, specifically for its role in the Liverpool Waters regeneration initiative. This funding, which includes a £56 million investment, is aimed at accelerating the regeneration of the city's northern docks and boosting housing supply.

Treasury approval for Liverpool Waters’ £56m brownfield housing boost

30 Oct 2024

A £56m investment by Homes England to speed up the regeneration of a major brownfield site within Liverpool Waters and bring life back to the city’s historic northern docklands, has been given final approval by HM Treasury.

The funding will support the creation of a new public park and vital infrastructure that will accommodate approximately 2,350 new homes and is all part of the government’s plans to build 1.5 million new homes across the UK in the next five years.

The investment by Homes England relates to Central Docks, the largest of five neighbourhoods within the emerging Liverpool Waters district. Owned and master planned by waterside regeneration specialists Peel Waters, Liverpool Waters extends over 2km along the banks of the River Mersey and has outline planning permission across 60 hectares. The Central Docks neighbourhood alone is projected to attract over £550m in private investment.

There are currently around £1billion of new developments under construction across Liverpool Waters, including the new 52,888-seater Everton Stadium, the Mersey Heat district heating network served by an innovative Water Source Heat Pump energy centre, and over 600 new homes currently being built – adding to the nearly 1,200 homes already completed and occupied across the Princes Dock and Central Docks neighbourhoods. The Isle of Man’s new £70m ferry terminal also located within Liverpool Waters completed in June this year.

In July, Liverpool City Council’s Cabinet agreed to enter into an agreement with Homes England to accept Brownfield Infrastructure Land grant funding and act as accountable body on behalf of Peel Waters to deliver site infrastructure and follow-on development.

The Central Docks scheme at Liverpool Waters was also identified by the Liverpool Strategic Futures Panel, chaired by Mayor Steve Rotheram, and forms part of Liverpool’s ambitious 20-year plan for the whole of its iconic waterfront.

Liverpool City Council has also made a similar brownfield site commitment in its draft housing strategy, currently subject to a public consultation, which supports the delivery of 2,000 new homes every year to 2030 and to double the number of affordable homes across the city.

The key infrastructure within the 10.5-hectare scheme, which comprises underground utilities, roads, pavements, public park, green spaces, and public amenities, will lay the groundwork for future investments and the development of a diverse mix of new housing in addition to commercial, community, retail and leisure facilities. 20% of the new homes planned at Central Docks will be affordable.

With full planning approval for the site preparation work, the comprehensive plans for Central Docks include the creation of an interconnected network of public spaces. The proposed new landscape will be enriched with the planting of hundreds of trees, with the centrepiece being ‘Central Park,’ a sprawling 2.1-hectare oasis, set to become one of the city’s largest urban green spaces.

Central Park’s design will celebrate the site’s industrial heritage and coastal location, blending coastal and woodland plantations, wetlands, and open parkland. Embracing inclusivity and sustainability, the park will feature amenities such as shelters, sports and recreational facilities, play spaces and wildlife habitats, to be enjoyed by both residents and visitors.

The development will also significantly enhance connectivity for pedestrians and cyclists, with the ultimate aim of creating seamless open access between the city centre, Princes Dock, Central Docks and Everton’s new stadium at Bramley Moore Dock."

All similar type developments are not car friendly ,being concerned with their Carbon footprint.Parking is normally out of town.

Danny O'Neill
114 Posted 24/04/2025 at 08:37:03
Thanks Jerome.

It's going to take time and there is frustration that the local Government authorities sat on their hands for 4 years instead of getting ahead of the game.

From the detail you provide, it seems there is a lot going on in the background and now the club are taking the initiative. Maybe that will kick the council and city region into gear. Bless them, they've probably been too busy planning the Devil's victory parade. Well, those of them not on bribery charges.

But it's happening.

Derek Thomas
117 Posted 24/04/2025 at 08:51:15
Danny @ 114; I have a sneaky feeling that the...allegedly...rs biased Council, didn't think (secretly hoped?) that Moshiri / EFC would ever get it done - so just sat back and did fuck all.

They probably justified it by citing Fiscal Prudence or some such bollocks...I look down the E Lancs Rd at the Blue Boy Burnham doing a decent job for the Mancs and shake my head.

What does this new investor do to the total number of shares and the low price of said shares that the many, as I call them, 'Legacy Shareholders' are now stuck with?

Brian Williams
118 Posted 24/04/2025 at 08:52:56
The new investor has no effect whatsoever on the number of shares. There's no change in that respect.
Scott Hamilton
122 Posted 24/04/2025 at 09:13:49
62?!

Christ, it must be a tough life being a billionaire…

Brian Harrison
125 Posted 24/04/2025 at 10:17:33
TFG are starting to put together their team to make sure for the first time in a long time that the club is run properly. Obviously putting Sarofim in the boardroom along with Marc Watts will not only kick-start the club but also attract investment into the dock area around the ground.

No doubt they will be looking to maximise the stadium when not being used for football to help increase the value of the club. Already they have secured one of the Rugby League tests against Australia, but I can see many non-football events being organised, but they may have to do something about the parking restrictions if they intend attracting concert goers.

I did worry at first if it was a good idea for a company that own other football clubs being our new owners but so far all the appointments they have made make me feel these guys are here for the long haul.

Andrew Merrick
129 Posted 24/04/2025 at 10:42:43
Jerome 110, fantastic write up mate, glad you could add some more positive news.

I know it's unlikely to happen again, but Liverpool had the first overhead electric railway in the world, affectionately known as the dockers' umbrella.

Sadly the damage done in WW2 it was considered an uneconomic repair, especially when the land rail was working okay.

I'd love to see an overhead transport link, but would settle for an electric bus route along the developing area with the weak link bridge replaced or upgraded.

Housing and recreational spaces will only enhance things more, this is such a big deal for the city, the people, and let's not forget football. :)

Keith Taylor
131 Posted 24/04/2025 at 10:48:23
My son and I managed to make one last visit to Goodison on Saturday, not even the match could spoil the day, 62 years after I first set foot in the ground.

We took a walk from the Pier Head down to Bramley-Moore Dock on Sunday morning and it is disappointing that so little has been done in the areas surrounding the stadium. However the potential is obvious.

We have confirmed our status in the Premier League, and we have serious businessmen now in charge of the club. I would hope and expect that the investment and development will start to flow.

I think all the uncertainty with points deductions, relegation fears and even going into administration, along with the lack of a clear plan from our previous owner must have acted as a deterrent to potential investors.

The amount of space leading up to the stadium on both sides of the dock road provides great opportunities for new business. I would expect that TFG will be bringing pressure to bear on the council to enable new business development to be accelerated.

The stadium looks a bit isolated at the moment but it should now kick start further development all around it. Lets hope so.

Robert Williams
134 Posted 24/04/2025 at 11:20:33
Christine 35, We have been told that they play it very close to their chest, so why would they break the habit and tell us what they have in mind - for our benefit?
Jeff Spiers
135 Posted 24/04/2025 at 11:38:10
Andrew. Wouldn't it be great to resurrect The Dockers' Umbrella?

Could ease road and foot traffic congestion..

Mal van Schaick
136 Posted 24/04/2025 at 11:39:01
Plenty of deep pockets to bring back the good old days and build a team for success. Bring it on.
Paul Hewitt
138 Posted 24/04/2025 at 12:04:24
I don't think he's actually investing in the club.

He's just come on board to offer advice more than anything.

Ian Bennett
139 Posted 24/04/2025 at 12:27:36
I highly doubt that, Paul.

Rich people entry is having skin in the game, and putting chips on the table to be in 'the club'.

This rarely comes free unless you're an employee with specialist skills.

Time will tell, but I guess he's ponying up.

Danny O'Neill
141 Posted 24/04/2025 at 12:56:24
I'm with Ian, Paul. No way is he in this to not benefit from it.

Free advice? Nothing is free.

Raymond Fox
156 Posted 24/04/2025 at 15:52:26
The more money that is behind the club the better, I don't see a down side to that news.

Would I invest in the club now, a definite yes and its a long time since I thought that.

Jerome Shields
157 Posted 24/04/2025 at 16:06:02
Danny#114

Glad I could help. Your ideas are always heading in the right direction and it seems there is solid back up and plans.

Andrew #129

As I was researching the above I was wondering where the Light rail project was??? Thanks for the information. As a infra structure project it would be cost effective to install. Overhead would seem to fit the bill, answering alot of questions.

It seems that not only Everton needed Proper Professional input, but is was an essential contribution for the whole Docklands Development.

Fortunately Moshiri & Co are only in the Liver building, which they will have to exit in the future.There front seat Dockland Development plans are in tatters.

Going to Bramble Dock could be a wider experience than just going to the match.Everton will become a integrated part of the Whole Development.

Steve Brown
159 Posted 24/04/2025 at 16:32:21
Dallas Mavericks head coach Jason Kidd has joined the ownership group of Premier League club Everton.

The 52-year-old has joined Roundhouse Capital Holdings, an entity within The Friedkin Group (TFG), which completed its takeover of Everton in December. Everton executive chairman Marc Watts said in a news release that Kidd will be an “incredible resource” for the club.

Danny O'Neill
160 Posted 24/04/2025 at 16:39:21
Andrew @129, I promised not to mention it again, but here is one last time.

Elevated monorail, from the Albert Dock to Bramley Moore Dock with stops along the way.

A. modern day tip of the hat to the Docker's Umbrella, serving the city's visitors and Everton.

Respecting the past, but looking to the future, which is what this move is all about.

Robert Williams
161 Posted 24/04/2025 at 16:53:32
Danny 160. I have been advocating the benefits of an elevated monorail system in several places where the old railway systems were ripped up, North West Wales in particular. And I am sure it is worthy of consideration to get to and from BMD.
Mark Murphy
163 Posted 24/04/2025 at 17:05:33
Talking of songs at away grounds, Danny, I would love to get Ross Barkley back just for that song!
The whole of the Drayton arms at the Emirates was shaking for 20 minutes of that song at full belt, on repeat!
UTFT
Mike Gaynes
164 Posted 24/04/2025 at 17:28:44
And we have another new investor, one with a whole lot less money but a much higher profile. Just posted on ESPN:

NBA Hall of Famer and Dallas Mavericks head coach Jason Kidd has joined the ownership group of Everton, the Premier League club announced on Thursday.

Kidd has joined Roundhouse Capital Holdings, which is part of The Friedkin Group -- the U.S. firm that completed its takeover of Everton in December.

"I'm honoured to be joining Everton's ownership at such an important moment," Kidd said. "With a new stadium on the horizon and a bright future ahead, it's a great moment to come on board."

The 52-year-old has been hailed as an "incredible resource for Everton" by executive chairman Marc Watts and joins with extensive experience in the NBA, on and off the court. Kidd was a 10-time NBA All-Star and two-time Olympic gold medal winner with the U.S. national team, and has since coached the Brooklyn Nets, Milwaukee Bucks and the Mavericks.

Watts added: "As one of the NBA's greatest players and now a successful coach, his knowledge and winning mentality will be an incredible resource for Everton.

"He is a respected leader and household name for many sports fans and will bring a deeper understanding of high performance as we collectively strive to build a brighter future."

Actually, I have no idea what he brings. Except a little celebrity power. And maybe he can help Alcaraz with his passing.

Andrew Merrick
166 Posted 24/04/2025 at 17:30:42
Danny, monorail would work really well...
Mark 163, that is one of the more memorable songs...
I liked tell me ma as well, I can still here it as we descended down the Wembley stairwell after beating utd on pens in the semi...
And what about the best little spaniard we know?...
Eric Myles
167 Posted 24/04/2025 at 17:34:03
Mike # 164, maybe he'll take over from Moyes and become our Ted Lasso?
Paul Hewitt
168 Posted 24/04/2025 at 17:35:17
Never heard of this kid fella. Seems a pointless appointment, cross over into other sports hardly ever works.
Tony Abrahams
169 Posted 24/04/2025 at 17:40:13
It sounds like Jason Kidd, was or still is, an expert in his chosen sport, Mike? My own belief is that you can't have too many of these people, so let's hope this is part of a much better professional strategy being introduced into our club.

Make Everton Great Again!

Pete Neilson
170 Posted 24/04/2025 at 17:48:52
Presumably adding Jason Kidd is part of a plan to increase or profile in the USA.

As pointed out in The Athletic it's a similar approach at Birmingham City with Tom Brady, Burnley with JJ Watt and Bournemouth with Michael B. Jordan.

Christy Ring
171 Posted 24/04/2025 at 17:49:59
Paul #168,

You mustn't be an NBA fan, former great and current coach of Mavericks.

Good to have different sporting greats on board, and won't it promote our brand and marketing in the US?

Mike Gaynes
172 Posted 24/04/2025 at 17:51:19
PH, it's the hot new thing for US athletes. One NFL legend quarterback became an advisory board chairman at Birmingham. And I think LeBron James of the NBA still holds shares of the RS.

Tony, I just hope he becomes a marketing resource. Dallas may be the hottest soccer market in America, and he's a beloved star there.

Pete #170, thanks for looking up those other examples.

Tony Abrahams
173 Posted 24/04/2025 at 17:56:21
People who have reached the absolute top of their chosen field are always worth listening to imo Mike.

Different sport, but sometimes sport is sport and these people might just have some valuable ideas and principles? That’s why I personally take this view, anyway 🤞

Pete Neilson
176 Posted 24/04/2025 at 18:04:31
Mike (172) here’s the link to the piece in The Athletic. They were quickly onto this news.
Link
Bill Gall
183 Posted 24/04/2025 at 19:45:09
The dockers' umbrella was great for the working dockers, and kids with their dads sightseeing, but the major use was for the working docks 7 days a week.

Transport to Bramley-Moore Dock will be for 1 day or sometimes 2 and I think this is why the Liverpool Council are dragging their feet.

I should imagine with all the development planned along with Liverpool Waters, there will be a regular bus route along and past Bramley-Moore Dock in the future.

The idea that Dany O'Neill and others have mentioned would be ideal for a regular route with extra carriages on match days.

Ian Bennett
198 Posted 24/04/2025 at 20:51:17
Everton Football Club is delighted to announce a further addition to the Club’s ownership group.

Jason Kidd, the Head Coach of the NBA’s Dallas Mavericks, has joined Roundhouse Capital Holdings, part of The Friedkin Group.

Kidd, a 10-time NBA All-Star, is widely regarded as one of the best players of his generation. As a player, he won the 2011 NBA Championship with the Dallas Mavericks and was a two-time Olympic gold medal winner with the U.S. national team in 2000 and 2008. As a Head Coach, he had spells at the Brooklyn Nets and Milwaukee Bucks before joining the Mavericks in 2021 and leading them to the Western Conference Championship in 2024.

As one of the NBA’s greatest players and now a successful coach, his knowledge and winning mentality will be an incredible resource for Everton.

“He is a respected leader and household name for many sports fans and will bring a deeper understanding of high performance as we collectively strive to build a brighter future for this storied club.”

Jerome Shields
215 Posted 24/04/2025 at 22:20:37
Ian#198

Interesting post.The managing of pushing expectations in American Sport always comes across as a step above. It seems TFG are prepared to be innovative.

Curt Snyder
221 Posted 25/04/2025 at 00:08:35
Seriously?? You can't see a rather colorful unacceptable phrase up there?

Alright, I will give you the easy one; Make Everton Great Again. The other is so obvious that I think you just want to see some fireworks. Oh wait, they are already happening.

And didn't Bebe have their playbook? With intelligence assessment that it was a real document to be concerned about?

Gavin Johnson
223 Posted 25/04/2025 at 00:45:52
Does anyone know what Bell and Downing's association with TFG is now?

I know there's been some whispers about AJ Bell doing some level of sponsorship, but it would be beneficial if they both joined this new group of backers.

I say the more billionaires involved with the club the better, as long as it's not Elon Musk or Steve Bannon money.

Dan Parker
224 Posted 25/04/2025 at 01:02:00
Think it’s great we have new investors, a mix of business and sports excellence. Wild there’s so many negative comments on social media around it, NSNO
Jonathan Oppenheimer
235 Posted 25/04/2025 at 04:06:33
Wow, this thread is getting bonkers. This Jew is staying out of the Palestinian-Israeli debate, but why not stir up some other shit.

Jason Kidd, as stated above, has been announced as a minor investor. In general, a mostly unremarkable news story, because while a hall of fame player and decent NBA coach, he’s not on the level of LeBron or Tom Brady as a celebrity American owner. He’s not moving the needle much to garner American support of Everton, though certainly doesn’t hurt I guess.

But every time I think of Kidd, I’m reminded that he once punched his wife. I’m all for second chances and such, but also become wary of celebrating people with that kind of past (among other questionable decisions, as detailed below). Let’s see how spicy this debate can become.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/19596/history-of-jason-kidds-past-incidents

Si Cooper
236 Posted 25/04/2025 at 04:21:49
Let’s hope he’s a bonafide sporting polymath Jonathan, and his past mistakes are exactly that and so entirely irrelevant.
Paul Ferry
237 Posted 25/04/2025 at 04:37:47
Roger (195): Thanks for responding: “the language you use does no favours for you or your arguments”. That’s fair enough but there are only three words that I might have crossed out on a third reading.

I see that you’ve moved well beyond the Glasgow “thing” Roger.

So, “aggressive pro-Palestinian protests are anti-Semitic”. Presumably you accept that “pro-Palestinian protests” are not anti-Semitic? What makes a protest “aggressive” and how balanced is that likely to be if the definition comes from one Jewish-sympathising side? I am surprised that I still need to do this. Do you not realise that the vast majority of pro-Palestinian protestors are protesting against the Israeli Government and the fanatic who is in charge who cannot even set foot in countries who will serve the warrant against him.

Roger, do you even bother to think through the clear differences between Israel as a political entity and the Jewish people or between pro-Palestinian protest and anti-Semitism? It appears to me and others on here that you are unable to do so or do not want to do so. If this is indeed the case, then it makes your position staunchly ideological and unshfiting and dangerous. Anything that does not question itself is dangerous.

Have you spent any significant time in Israel Roger? I have. I spent 9 months at Hebrew University in Jerusalem and that was one of several visits. My Jewish friends would despise your view on the protestors’ anti-Semitism as much as they despise Netanyahu and his government. Are my Jewish friends anti-Semitic Roger? They would call your views one of the root causes for the situation we are now in. Every day that I have spent in Israel has always featured the most disgusting depictions of Palestinians whether simply overheard in a café or on the street. Jerusalem is full of Palestinian hating people encouraged by rabid calls from the most extreme media. What my friends call “settler speak” and calls for destroying Palestinians are every bit as bad as your Essex story. Spend some time in a room with some militant Orthodox Jews Roger and listen to the contempt they have for the Palestinian people and they also refuse to join the army, by the way.

Your first point I don’t know about so could you inform me and post evidence and links that directly show that pro-Palestinian protests began in Britian on October 7?

What on earth is a “civilian-combatant casualty ratio” Roger? You mean the proportion of deaths that are civilian compared with combatants. You claim breathtakingly that the rate in Gaza “is less than the US/UK have ever managed” (what person would use “managed”).

Want some figures and events Roger? The UN agency has verified the details of 8,119 civilians who were killed in Gaza from November 2023 to April 2024. Ready Roger?: 44% of the victims were classified as “minors”; 26% were classified as women. The most represented ages among the murdered were five to nine-year-olds. Around 80% of victims were killed in residential buildings. The UN recorded seven mass casualty events in Gaza in six days: 24/29 October 2024. The UN's Human Rights Office has condemned the high number of civilians killed largely due to “Israel's use of weapons with wide-area effects in densely populated areas”. The same Office said it found "unprecedented" levels of international law violations, raising concerns about "war crimes and other possible atrocity crimes".

The highest estimated civilian death rates in WW2 lie somewhere in the range 61-67%; the same for WW1 is 42-59%. And your point was what Roger? That the Israeli government is what “nicer” and “more caring” than the US and UK government because they killed a smaller proportion of civilians – which they have not? Unbelievable.

How shitty of you to write that “maybe” I am not a “Jew-hater”. How dare you write that. I condemn any act of violence irrespective of who the perpetrators are. Your bias comes out from its porous hiding place a lot Roger. You must be a fully paid-up international member of Lukid. Roger, do you condemn Israeli civilian atrocities in the Gaza Strip?

Your continuing efforts to stigmatise Glasgow fans are not worth any more of my time Roger. I will say one thing more. Think a little more carefully when you next use “fan base” not least when you decide not to qualify what you man by this.

I’ll end by restating a question Roger: do you condemn Israeli civilian atrocities in the Gaza Strip?

Jonathan Oppenheimer
238 Posted 25/04/2025 at 05:08:07
Si 236, I can’t imagine Kidd brings anything significant to the table, and I’d be shocked to hear anyone describe him as a polymath. As for past mistakes being irrelevant, I can’t imagine he’ll do anything to harm us directly, just hoping he doesn’t harm our reputation either.
Paul Ferry
239 Posted 25/04/2025 at 05:09:12
Phil Robert: 209 - Amazingly enough all those protesting about the killing in Gaza never ever suggest that it is Hamas' fault

Perhaps, ‘amazingly enough’ Phil, because it isn’t? Perhaps Phil because the atrocities in Gaza are the work of one side?

October 7 was also a disgusting atrocity. It began this horrible cycle. But it is still used now to justify Israeli Government atrocities in Gaza. That is not accepted by the UN or anything with human rights in its title.

Hamas needs to be defeated. No one of anything near a right mind would not want them out of Gaza, not least the majority of Palestinian civilians who innocent are killed in sickening numbers by Israel’s government. Justifiably so, that government says, because they believe that there are some Hamas fighters in bunkers below them.

Paul Ferry
240 Posted 25/04/2025 at 05:28:05
Sorry, Roger, I forgot to add that the civilian death rate in Gaza as a proportion of all killings has been calculated as high as 90% of all casualties.

On December 29, 2024 the IDF said it had killed 8,000 Hamas fighters in all. 8,119 civilians were murdered in Gaza from November 2023 to April 2024 alone. On December 30 2023, Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor recorded 2,353 Hamas deaths and 27,681 civilian murders.

That, Roger, is a civilian murder rate of 92.16%. Would you be able to show me a higher rate for how the UK and US have ever 'managed' civilian deaths? There's another question that you need to answer.

Colin Glassar
241 Posted 25/04/2025 at 06:09:23
There are currently 17 major armed conflicts according to ACLED (Armed Conflict Location And Event Data), including Ukraine, the above mentioned, the Sahel, Myanmar, Sudan, Somalia, DRC, Yemen, Syria, Libya, Central African Republic etc…. Where atrocities are committed on a massive, and daily, basis

I have yet to see any hint of moral outrage, or mass demonstrations, against any of these wars.

Neither have I seen any continuous, non-football, threads about the treatment of women and girls in Iran, Afghanistan or many African countries (FMG). Or the use of child labour in third world counties or, for that matter, famine and disease throughout large parts of the world

If you are so disturbed, and sickened (and rightly so) by what is happening in Gaza, maybe ask yourselves, why these other conflicts don’t merit your concern or outrage.

A regional (nuclear) war could be about to break out between Pakistan and India over the recent terrorist (or should we call them militants) attack in Kashmir. Will our resident experts in geopolitics be writhing long essays justifying one side or the other? I somehow doubt it.

We all have our own ideas, beliefs, prejudices, fears etc…but as I said previously (post 218) this is not the ideal venue to spout these on

Danny O'Neill
242 Posted 25/04/2025 at 06:14:06
Well, this one got feisty overnight!

I've been to Israel and the West Bank, both professionally and as tourist. It is a complex situation.

Name me a conflict over the centuries that hasn't resulted in civilian collateral (a term we used). I'd be impressed if anyone could pull that one out, because I doubt it exists.

During my last operational tour in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, the politicians and generals imposed a policy of "courageous restraint" on us, meaning we had to, within reason, hold off if there was a danger of causing civilian casualties. Even if that was to our own cost, as the people you are fighting often blended in to the civilian population and used them as human shields, whilst still having a go at us. Sadly, it didn't completely eradicate casualties of war. That is from personal experience, not anything I've read.

A terrorist organisation started this very sad latest episode in a volatile region that has been a source of conflict for centuries. I defend Israel's right to respond against Hamas. I just question the techniques and tactics. Carpet bombing is very WW2 or Vietnam (take your pick). They could have been far more surgical in specifically targeting Hamas leaders. The technology is there to back up the firepower to do so. Would it have totally erased civilian casualties? No. But it would have significantly reduced them. Again, that is from experience.

Anyway, Manchester today for a charity event in the build up the VE/VJ Day. Suited and wearing my 8 x medals and then back to London for Chelsea v Everton tomorrow. Can't wait for match day. It can't come quick enough.

Danny O'Neill
243 Posted 25/04/2025 at 06:23:44
Colin, very true.

Even Ukraine only registered on everyone's outrage radar in 2022. The fact that Russia annexed Crimea (Ukraine) in 2014 and had been fighting a proxy war in the east of the country from around that time, including shooting down a civilian airliner, went largely ignored.

Likewise their invasion of Georgia in 2008, a country where they still occupy a percentage of territory.

Of all the conflict zones I have been to, I would say Bosnia was the worst one. We weren't in a combat role, but witnessing the devastation, destruction and ethnic cleansing that had gone on was pretty traumatic.

I see we have another investor onboard. Things are starting to take shape off the pitch. Hopefully this will trickle down in the summer to get it right on the pitch.

Paul Ferry
244 Posted 25/04/2025 at 06:24:05
Probably, Colin - 241 - because someone posted a daft post about Anti-Semitism in the UK and kicked things off.

I most certainly am 'concerned' about the wars you rightly list. Sudan and Somalia for me in particular where I have done what I can in the form of giving for years now.

It's not a ToffeeWeb thing Colin. Look at the coverage in the UK/US media - it's all Israel/Gaza and the Ukraine.

I'm very glad that you posted this CG. A timely reminder.

Paul Ferry
245 Posted 25/04/2025 at 06:26:23
The fact that Russia annexed Crimea (Ukraine) in 2014 and had been fighting a proxy war in the east of the country from around that time, including shooting down a civilian airliner, went largely ignored.

That's not true Danny mate respectfully. The Crimea has always been on the agenda in the media that I follow. That plane often turns up in discussion/debate/reporting.

Jeff Spiers
246 Posted 25/04/2025 at 06:33:00
No civilians should ever be slaughtered, where ever in the world there is unrest. Has the planet ever been free from war? Human beings will always inflict atrocities upon each other. Why? Because everything is stirred up by a far higher evil force, who manipulate and control. They are the puppet masters, the elite who pull the strings of all the politicians. Religion against religion.. Divide and conquer. They don't give a flying fuck about any of us. Look at the state of our own country. Our children and their children will be the elite's slaves. Peace on earth, good luck to that. Take care
Paul Hewitt
247 Posted 25/04/2025 at 06:48:20
You're never going to stop wars. To much money involved.
Danny O'Neill
248 Posted 25/04/2025 at 07:02:27
Paul H @247. Ask the UK and it's multi-billion arms and defence contract with Saudi Arabia. Forget those human rights violations we disagree with!

Paul F @245, it goes deeper and way back from there. Ukraine is considered part of Russia by the Kremlin. It was the birthplace of the what became the Russian Empire and modern state, Kiev / Kyiv was the original capital. It's not too dissimilar to what Kosovo means to the Serbs.

It is ingrained in history and a significant percentage of the Crimean population is ethnic Russian. If they hadn't taken it illegally, they might have had a claim.

But let's not kid ourselves over nostalgic history. There is the small matter of the port of Sevastopol, home of the Soviet and now Russian Black Sea Fleet.

There is always another agenda. A bit like ridding the world of an evil dictator and weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Oil anyone?

Colin Glassar
249 Posted 25/04/2025 at 07:04:41
I noticed yesterday that we have a new investor by the name of Kidd. There were some angry, and worried, comments about him on Twitter.

Who is he and what will he bring to the table?

I’ve always believed BMD will herald a new dawn for us and it’s starting to look that way.

Paul Ferry
250 Posted 25/04/2025 at 07:24:36
Danny, none of that justifies what Putin did in 2014 and that is the main reason why the media I follow will never let him forget and there is nothing in the past that justifies what that fanatic in the Kremlin with his Soviet Empire dreams thinks and does.

'It is ingrained in history and a significant percentage of the Crimean population is ethnic Russian. If they hadn't taken it illegally, they might have had a claim'.

That was Adolf Hitler's justification for Lebensraum.

Danny O'Neill
251 Posted 25/04/2025 at 07:37:58
I didn't say it justified it Paul. It was historical background context.

Putin, being ex-KGB has never really got over the break up of the Soviet Union. Belarus in his back pocket, Georgia and now Ukraine in his sights.

WW2 and the build up to it dating back to the late 19th century, is one of my favourite periods of history, so I am very familiar with that. There is a good and popular docu-series on Netflix "Hitler's Circle of Evil". Worth a watch.

I've probably spent about 5 years of my life in Germany. It took them a long time to come to terms with being proud to be German and fly their flags. It was probably as late as the 1990s before they felt comfortable doing so.

Kunal Desai
252 Posted 25/04/2025 at 07:47:18
The above has deviated of the Piste.

Was hoping to see the Chelsea v Everton preview for a Friday morning.

Are we thinking O'Brien moves centrally to partner Branthwaite and Patterson and comes in at right back?

Mark Murphy
253 Posted 25/04/2025 at 07:50:46
Never mind all that, Hewey, What the feck has happened to Saints’ defence???
Shocking!
UTFT
Colin Glassar
254 Posted 25/04/2025 at 07:54:51
Kunai, he’ll probably drop O’Brien, put Keane in there with either Seamus or Young at RB.

I don’t think Patterson will be with us next season.

Danny O'Neill
255 Posted 25/04/2025 at 07:55:52
Totally Kunai.

Time to get into match day mode.

Come on MK, get us back on track!!

Paul Hewitt
256 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:02:36
I think time could be up for Mr wellens, mark.
Paul Ferry
257 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:03:42
Nice post Danny.

I'm up late with a dry white watching true blue Billy Moore - 'hello my mate' - in Widnes on Utube. Only, like Paul Simon, gone through the station, but he got off the train. What a shithole. Domestic thug Barton's new home.

Phil Roberts
258 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:06:58
Paul 239 - on your logic, the destruction of Germany cities in 1943-45 was not the fault of Hitler for his invasion of Poland. Same could be said that the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima were not the fault of the Japanese emperor for attacking Pearl Harbour.

If Hamas has not killed 1,500 Israeli civilians on 7/10/2023 then there was no reason for the IDF to go into Gaza and the civilians could have continued their deprived existence thanks to their government lack of care for their people.

Mark 214 - a bit like that football only started in 1992, the debate about the conflict in the Middle East only started in 1948.

Around 2000 years ago that land was settled by Jews. In fact 700 years before that part of it was called Israel. They were kicked out by the Romans and displaced around the world. In WW1 it was under Turkish rule and Britain was given responsibility given Turkey picked the wrong side in the conflict. 1922 it was agreed to form a separate state so that the Jews around the world could return to their historical home. Things got in the way, like WW2, so it took until 1948 to happen.

Of course we must also ignore the ethnic cleansing that has happened in Palestine as many were Christians but they have been forced to leave by Muslim Hamas and also ignore the power struggles between Hamas and Palestinian Authority. We must also ignore that Hamas wants to remove all Jews by either deportation or death (I presume that is their favoured option) and so Israel is actually fighting for its own existence. With that in mind it is amazing that the IDF are not treating all Palestinians with care.

I remember the huge outcry when Saddam Hussein placed Westerners in strategic positions as Human Shields. Ever watched "The Train" as the Germans put French civilians on the locomotive so Bert Lancaster would not blow up the tracks, derail the loco and kill his own civilians? But putting command centres in hospitals, putting rocket launchers in housing areas it seems it is perfectly OK to use human shields if they are your own people.

Afterall, Hamas are such nice people. Yeah. Right.

Nigel Scowen
259 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:25:49
Paul@250

Interesting that you mention Hitler here Paul. I can only go with my own personal experiences of the Ukraine, borne out of our away trip to Metalist Kharkiv in the Europa league.

There were Nazi salutes accompanying just about every Metalist song. The worst case was a 6 year old boy who wanted his photo taken with me and my mates underneath our big Everton banner. It was only when we looked back at the photo did we see this 6 year old boy with his arm raised in a Nazi salute on the photo. We were absolutely flabbergasted by this, a 6 year old boy.

Now this 6 year old hasn’t come to his own conclusions on this, he has been taught by his parents or whoever. No way is this a justification for what Putin has done and neither should we take the views of a selection of football fans, Zelensky is Jewish I believe, but it certainly added a new angle for me especially when I hear of Putin wanting to de Nazify Ukraine and protect abuses against ethnic Russians.

Remember the Ukrainian and Tatar Nazi SS death squads during WW2, largely responsible for administering the holocaust in Ukraine for Hitler. Saying that there were also partisan units operating against Hitler from the Ukraine.

As I said I’m not defending Putin in any way I think he is an imperialist megalomaniac but my experience certainly opened my eyes that there could be more to this than meets the eye.

Paul Ferry
260 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:29:19
Phil - 258 - I don't think that I have ever read a more poorly misconstrued and piece of avoidance post than that. You don't get it do you. Things develop. Obligations shift. New actions subsume two-year-ago actions,

Your WW2 erm 'observations' are just I'm sorry ignorant and your subjectivity.

This is disgusting - If Hamas has not killed 1,500 Israeli civilians on 7/10/2023 then there was no reason for the IDF to go into Gaza and the civilians could have continued their deprived existence thanks to their government lack of care for their people.

Absolute contempt for civilian life. I did. my best to point this out. You cling to your 7/10/2023 justifications in your frozen warped world Phil. Thank God in my world you are in a tiny minority, and that includes my Jewish friends,

What you have done you xxxxxx is to give Israel's government the green light to murder civilians you xxxxxx Nine out of ten Israeli killings in Gaza are murders of civilians you xxxxxxx

Rub salt into the wound you xxxxxxx You think Gaza people lived 'deprived existences'? You know nothing you condescending. I bet you've never been to Gaza and would never go. Ignorance is bliss right. You disgust anyone who cares about human rights, including Israelies.

Danny O'Neill
261 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:32:10
Widnes. Shudder. Only 3 miles away from my roots but miles away!!
Paul Ferry
262 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:36:42
That, Nigel, is a post to make anyone think mate.

I'm familiar with the Kiev past and WW2 accounts and you're right.

The lame in me says the lesser of two evils but we've housed a Ukrainian mother and three kids - husband killed later in the war - and they have suffered like no comparable Russian family in this war. Not one.

Paul Ferry
263 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:38:53
That is so right Danny 261!!!!
Mark Murphy
264 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:43:05
Colin, obviously we don’t see what Moyes (and Dyche before him) see in training but I think it’s a real shame we haven’t seen Patterson given a run at wing back where he looked decent for Scotland. Also worrying is young Dixons descent down the ladder. I watched him closely in the 2nd test event and he was quite poor to be honest.
Right back is definitely a priority for next season.
Paul Hewitt
265 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:51:57
I don't condone any war, killing innocent civilians is barbaric. But I've never understood why Ukraine haven't bombed Russia. Maybe if the russian civilians and politicians had first hand experience of the war they would be more inclined to want it to end.
Sam Barrett
266 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:51:59
Colin 241, all wars should be protested against and stopped. But what’s happening in Palestine (not just Gaza) is neither a “major armed conflict” nor a “ “war”.

It is an occupying power, backed, funded and armed (signed bombs and all) by the greatest military power on earth.

According to international law an occupying power cannot be at war with an occupied people.

All carried out (in Gaza) inside a blockaded area with the most fortified border on earth where food, water and electricity is withheld arbitrarily by the occupiers.

It is the world’s largest concentration camp where civilians and children are not only burnt alive in their tents whilst sleeping but are starved too.

There is no war in Gaza, there's an occupying power committing GENOCIDE.

Danny O'Neill
267 Posted 25/04/2025 at 08:58:36
I had and still have high hopes for Dixon Mark. He did disappoint in the test event match, considering he was one of the few (maybe only?) player with first team experience.

If he's not getting sent on loan, time to get him back involved with the first team squad.

Sam Barrett
268 Posted 25/04/2025 at 09:01:07
Not getting involved in the Russia/Ukraine debate but I would urge anyone who’s interested to research a very knowledgeable American scholar by the name of Jeffrey Sachs for their understanding of that conflict. By some of the comments on here it may open a few people’s eyes.
Phil Roberts
269 Posted 25/04/2025 at 09:10:10
Paul,

If 7/10 had not happened - would the IDF have gone into Gaza?

If all the hostages were released - is there any justification for the IDF to continue.

I assume from your response you would say yes. I say No.


And given the international money being poured into Gaza to support the citizens - why does Gaza not look like Israel, a veritable industrial powerhouse compared to the rest of the region? Probably because Hamas used it all to buy munitions to attack Israeli citizens. So next question - How many rockets fired at Israel (and they are all indiscriminate so no chance of them targeting military facilities) in 2023 and how many Israeli airstrikes on Gaza.

And you are laying no blame on Hamas for starting it all. If you cannot see that hitting back after the other sides started a conflict then you need to look from a more neutral point of view and not just take one side. Do I think the level of IDF violence is right? No. But at least I think the blame is not 100% on one side which your passionate support of the Palestinians puts if 100% on Israel. I suspect you would like to see, as does Hamas, the destruction of Israel and maybe all Jews killed or deported?

Sam Barrett
270 Posted 25/04/2025 at 09:10:17
Phil 258, I asked previously if you were naive, ignorant or just plain thick, you’ve just answered that question and you are all the above. I would add racist to that too.
I really despair that I could actually be sat next to someone who held views like yours at Stamford Bridge on Saturday and I bet you wouldn’t dare air those views in public to other Evertonians.
You sound like all you do is watch BBC and SKY news.
This is a vane attempt but here goes, in your understanding of what is happening in Gaza stay away from mainstream media mate, try to dig beneath the surface a bit, you don’t need to be Einstein, your ignorance might be lifted.
Mark Murphy
271 Posted 25/04/2025 at 09:17:27
I’ve commented to Danny off thread that the mainstream media is complicit in an awful lot of the worlds problems and our understanding of them, including my own, I must admit. As long as the vehicles of the press and media are owned by self centred moguls, the truth will be twisted to serve the elite agenda.
We need a genuinely free press and a massive education of the people to learn how to discern the truth from the propaganda.
Tony Waring
272 Posted 25/04/2025 at 09:22:57
Sam (270) I've read 258 and cannot see where there is any misunderstanding of the events in Gaza since Hamas started it all. I think Israel has gone "over the top" with their response but are they supposed to sit back and invite HAMAS to kill as many Israelis as they want ?
Neil Cremin
273 Posted 25/04/2025 at 09:57:51
WoW. Thought I was going on TW to see any update on Saturdays game and this guy Jason Kidd (know nothing about him). The guy is an NBA coach and appears to be somewhat divisive. Wondering what he is bringing to the table. Thought I would see Mike Gaynes perspective.
As for Saturday, the big question is how will we set up in defence. I know that many are calling for O Brien to move in to replace Tarks but the for me dare I say it, the biggest loss Tarks leadership and direction not on the footballing ability. My biggest fear is that role will now fall to Pickford who in my option causes more confusion and will upset any pair of CH in front of him. At least Tarks could manage Pickford.
Hope I'm wrong but without any leadership in the heart of defence, I think we will be very vulnerable. Maybe its time for Branthwaite to step up and take control. I think it is a little too early for O’Brien to take on that role. Commet the hour, commet the man.
Sam Barrett
274 Posted 25/04/2025 at 10:04:34
Tony
Hamas didn’t “start it all”
The occupiers have been committing atrocities against Gazans and Palestinians for nearly 100 years. Amnesty International estimates that the Occupiers hold between 10 and 14 thousand detainees (or hostages) nearly half of them children.
They tried a peaceful unarmed demonstration in 2018, what did the Occupiers do? Shot dead with snipers 189 civilians including 35 children.
This did not start on Oct 7th.
This was not started by Hamas
Martin Farrington
275 Posted 25/04/2025 at 10:25:19
Isnt this dude the Number 1 Angel in some mythological cult somewhere ?
We could do with a few miracles !!!
John Williams
276 Posted 25/04/2025 at 10:41:48
Regarding Palestine, I had an Uncle in the Palestine Police Force, who served between 1936 to 1948.
The enemy was the Jewish Terrorist Groups, the IZL and the Stern Gang, both killing anyone who got in their way. They even invited the Axis Powers (Germany and Italy) to supply them with arms and equipment.
They attacked Airfields, Railway Yards and other important installations. There killing went beyond Palestine, when they assassinated Lord Moyne, a British Official in Cairo (Nov 44). During 1944, a Polish Army Group moved into Palestine alongside the British Forces, many were Jews and many deserted to join the
Stern Gang. One of these deserters later became PM of Israel (Began).
The British tried there best to keep Palestine a free State for Arabs, Jews and Christians, but were told by the USA to get out of Palestine and allow the Jews to take over. (So much for the Special Relationship).
My Uncle left Palestine and went to work for the Government in Northern Rhodesia,
Jeff Spiers
277 Posted 25/04/2025 at 10:47:23
Whose ever side you're on re: the middle east, take the protests over there, enlist on the front line and fight the fight. Or engage in talks and, hopefully, peace will reign. Waving banners across the UK does'nt do anything. The powers that be don't give a fuck, as long as they supply arms
Liam Mogan
278 Posted 25/04/2025 at 10:57:45
It always amazes me in an age where we have information overload that reductionist opinions are seemingly more popular then ever.

The simple view that one side recently 'started' the conflict in Gaza/Palestine/Israel just doesn't stack up. Things don't happen in a vacuum. Never have and never will. Complexity, nuance and critical analysis become concepts that are swept aside to the all conquering simplicity of 'opinion'.

Try listening to Dylan's 'With God on Our Side' or reading 'Jerusalem' by Simon Sebag Montefiore. Just because something is your opinion, doesn't mean it's the truth.

Sam Barrett
279 Posted 25/04/2025 at 11:01:44
Tony
Hamas didn’t “start it all”
The occupiers have been committing atrocities against Gazans and Palestinians for nearly 100 years. Amnesty International estimates that the Occupiers hold between 10 and 14 thousand detainees (or hostages) nearly half of them children.
They tried a peaceful unarmed demonstration in 2018, what did the Occupiers do? Shot dead with snipers 189 civilians including 35 children.
This did not start on Oct 7th.
This was not started by Hamas
Nigel Scowen
280 Posted 25/04/2025 at 11:22:23
Sam@268

Thanks for the heads up there Sam, just viewed the Cambridge Union Lecture by Jeffrey Sachs. All is sometimes not what we are spoon fed to believe.

Danny O'Neill
281 Posted 25/04/2025 at 11:23:42
Excuse the pun Liam but that is true. An opinion is just that, not fact.

Sam try thousands of years, with atrocities committed by all sides including the colonial powers of more recent centuries.

Sam Barrett
282 Posted 25/04/2025 at 11:38:52
John 276, the Occupiers have been terrorists ever since but have ramped it up to a completely different level since Oct 7th when Hamas “started it”
Jeff Spiers
283 Posted 25/04/2025 at 11:40:10
Danny@281. So sad, but true
Sam Barrett
284 Posted 25/04/2025 at 11:43:07
Danny 281, agreed mate, but this is happening now, in front of our eyes, on social media on our phones (but not on the mainstream media they wouldn’t be allowed to show such images by their paymasters) with western funding, arming and approval.
James Hughes
285 Posted 25/04/2025 at 11:49:51
Sam Barret, please stick to football moving forward. I think you have made your position perfectly clear.

A war is many things and you know one.

Now if you support our club please move on and discuss how crap Moyes and Doucoure are.

Liam Mogan
286 Posted 25/04/2025 at 11:53:08
Moyes is not as crap as Doucoure. Opinion or fact?
Sam Barrett
287 Posted 25/04/2025 at 12:01:41
James that is fully my intention mate, but will always call out enormous ignorance when I hear it.

I’m willing to draw a line.

Derek Taylor
288 Posted 25/04/2025 at 12:08:57
Time to draw down the curtain on ToffeeWeb, methinks. Sadly now highjacked by politicos of many persuasions.

Don't bother to respond to this post as I shall delete this once proud EVERTON site from my contact list as soon as I finish this missive.

Brian Williams
289 Posted 25/04/2025 at 12:29:06
Derek, not that you'll read this as you'll have flounced off into the distance, if you were a regular you'd know that TW often takes a leap in different directions, and the subject/s can be anything.

The thing to do, not that you'll read this as you'll have flounced off into the distance, is ignore that particular thread. Just don't read it.

Also, not that you'll read this as you'll have flounced off into the distance, if you're going to leave just leave, don't make a song and dance about it.

Phil Roberts
290 Posted 25/04/2025 at 12:44:52
Is this crossing the line into politics?

Peter Taaffe long time force behind Militant has died age 83. Obituary even mentioned he was an Evertonian, as is his mate Derek Hatton.

And someone on here a few days ago was saying a red called him a Tory snob because he supported Everton. Do they have more than two brain cells to rub together?

James Hughes
291 Posted 25/04/2025 at 12:45:27
Brian W, that is brilliant. I have tried flouncing off, couldn't get the hang of it,
Nigel Scowen
292 Posted 25/04/2025 at 12:45:36
Brian@ 289 😂
Nigel Scowen
293 Posted 25/04/2025 at 12:49:28
Phil@290

No mate just the one, they swap it between themselves when one of them feels the need to spout crap.

Steve Brown
294 Posted 25/04/2025 at 12:50:46
Flouncing off needs to make a comeback.
Nigel Scowen
295 Posted 25/04/2025 at 12:56:54
Is ‘flouncing off’ what I think it is?
Martin Mason
296 Posted 25/04/2025 at 13:01:13
Very sad to see the rudeness being thrown around over the Israel/Palestine tragedy. I'm more sad to see intelligent people arguing over it in a public forum. Don't forget that every statement made is an opinion and that is all and will inevitably be based on whose propaganda you believe and absolutely on where you are on the political spectrum. Remember, they are opinions not facts and they give you no place on the moral high ground. They give nobody justification for the rudeness seen above.
Jeff Spiers
297 Posted 25/04/2025 at 13:08:39
Phil. It was me called a Tory snob. I laugh it off now but, looking back, the venom and hatred was there. Typical RS prick
Christine Foster
298 Posted 25/04/2025 at 13:31:48
Please guys, just stop. This is not the place for venting opinions on such things. We are not immune from the world here on TW, the odd political comments would always find its way in, but this is different. Indeed in the past such stuff was nearly always moderated out by Lyndon or Michael, but it seems the power to moderate has gone the way of Meta or X.
The world is bad enough without it entering this little oasis we all escape to. For the other 23 and a half hours of the day I put up with the madness, bitterness and self righteous indignation of those harming others. TW is not a platform for debating war, unless it's about Saturday's game. Bite your tongue, let it go, for just half an hour in your day.
Brian Williams
299 Posted 25/04/2025 at 13:43:52
Nigel#295.

To flounce off: to walk with large, noticeable movements, especially to attract attention or show that you are angry.

NOT what you were thinking. ;-))

Now everybody. Flounce!

Christine#298.

Completely agree. Thing is though we DO benefit from free speech (within reason) in this country, but like you I'd much prefer politics, war, religion to be discussed elsewhere.

Ray Said
300 Posted 25/04/2025 at 13:47:34
Well said Christine (298)
Alan McGuffog
301 Posted 25/04/2025 at 13:48:19
Christine...too right. Far too much blind irrational hatred in this world.
An end to hatred I say...with the exception of Shankly, St John and Big Ron. Was there a song about this 🤔?
Nigel Scowen
302 Posted 25/04/2025 at 13:48:30
Brian@299

Ah, you learn something new every day on TW Brian 😀

Brian Williams
303 Posted 25/04/2025 at 13:52:04
Nigel~302

I expect you to practice your flounce for use at your next fallout with your significant other!

Nigel Scowen
304 Posted 25/04/2025 at 13:52:26
Something about hanging people on the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey if memory serves Alan
Nigel Scowen
305 Posted 25/04/2025 at 13:53:22
Already booked in the diary Brian 😉
Eric Myles
306 Posted 25/04/2025 at 13:55:33
Paul #265, didn't stop the Allies and the Germans bombing each other did it?

My perception on Ukraine is coloured by my Ukranian friends that tell me Russia is safeguarding ethnic Russians (in Ukraine and Crimea) in bordering countries, you know, just like you Brits went to safeguard ethnic British sheep thousands of miles away in The Malvinas.

They're from Donbask and gave me a completely different story than what the media feeds the masses.

John de Frece
307 Posted 25/04/2025 at 14:39:08
I set up the Everton osc in Israel - “Israeli Toffees” We have about 40 odd members. I’m really sad that this thread has become a vehicle for vituperation. Isn’t it supposed to be about Everton ? Just Everton? Or is it normal to use any handy site to have a go at a country which exists solely because people found and find it difficult to stop killing Jews?
Gavin Johnson
308 Posted 25/04/2025 at 15:50:30
I don't come on TW much these days so was rather shocked when I read through this thread. Why hasn't it been monitored and nipped in the bud by Michael or Lyndon?
Brian Williams
309 Posted 25/04/2025 at 15:51:59
Gavin, Lyndon no longer has anything to do with TW.
Sam Barrett
310 Posted 25/04/2025 at 16:04:20
Occupying Forces Supporters and Genociders not welcome at Goodison or Bramley Moore
Ryan Holroyd
311 Posted 25/04/2025 at 16:20:53
Free Palastine
Gavin Johnson
312 Posted 25/04/2025 at 16:21:59
I see, Brian.. But why has the thread been allowed to run of control like this? Is it because it's now a one man site, just with Michael.

Tony Waring
313 Posted 25/04/2025 at 16:23:22
Sam (279) Yes I take your point. I had an uncle who served in the Palestine Police and haing been in the King David Hotel at at the wrong time he did'nt have much sympathy for Menachem Begin ! The point I was making related to this latest "incident" - which in my opinion was initiated by Hamas.
However as somebody mentioned this site is supposed to be about Everton so perhaos we should all concentrate our minds elsewhere !
Jeff Spiers
314 Posted 25/04/2025 at 17:03:37
Free the world from all this MADNESS.
Curt Snyder
315 Posted 25/04/2025 at 17:15:00
For the love of God, stop the flouncing!
Martin Mason
316 Posted 25/04/2025 at 17:31:25
The tragic thing is that the lack of knowledge of the history and current politics is absolutely appalling. You really would expect some to keep quiet.
From the Mersey to the Irish Sea, Scouseland will be free.
Christy Ring
317 Posted 25/04/2025 at 17:59:41
In my opinion there's no difference between Russia invading Ukraine, and Israel invading Palestine, but sadly Trump is backing Putin, and US 100% aiding Israel, and GB and the bigger countries turning a blind eye to the atrocities in Palestine, and so sympathetic to Ukraine, and before someone accuses me of taking sides, what Hamas did was also atrocious, no time for them just the innocent people of Palestine.
Brian Williams
318 Posted 25/04/2025 at 18:10:22
Gavin#312

Gavin, Michael still has input on here but not sure whether he has does exactly as he did before the site changed hands.

Jeff Spiers
319 Posted 25/04/2025 at 18:19:26
Ryan, where is Palastine??
Alan McGuffog
320 Posted 25/04/2025 at 18:29:50
My children loved making models out of palastine.
Gavin Johnson
321 Posted 25/04/2025 at 18:44:28
Brian #318

Thanks for the info. I wasn't even aware the site had changed hands. It shows how much I come on TW these days.

Andrew Ellams
322 Posted 25/04/2025 at 18:47:00
This is not really the place for politics but Eric @ 306 that is the biggest pile of bollocks that I've seen in a long time and sounds like it came straight out of an orange arsehole.
Colin Glassar
323 Posted 25/04/2025 at 18:48:37
Is this disgraceful and shameful thread still open? A thread where a self-appointed Gauleiter (310) has declared a ban on Jews, yes Jews, from entering Goodison or BMD?

Where the fuck are the moderators on this site? Who the fuck are you SAM BARRETT to say who can and cannot go ans watch their team, in this case Everton?

Are you going to stand outside with your fellow Brownshirts with signs saying “Juden eintrit verboten “ or “Juden raus “ stopping any Zionist looking fans from entering? Because let’s be honest, zionists, in the main, are Jews so stop hiding behind euphemisms. Be a man and say what you mean.

I’ve kept quiet so far but enough is enough. You will not make Jewish, or pro-Israeli, Everton fans cower before your pathetic threats. Those days are over.

Feel free to answer with your faux outrage. I will not answer you but! I will be at he Ipswich game with two of my IDF serving cousins. With a bit of luck, we might bump into you and some of your Hamas loving vermin.

Moderators, if you exist, close down this fucking thread!!

Darryl Ritchie
324 Posted 25/04/2025 at 19:08:31
Michael. Lyndon. Anjishnu.

Time to shut this down!

Brian Williams
325 Posted 25/04/2025 at 19:24:40
Gavin#321.
Gavin after being onbthis thread you must be glad mate. 😱
Paul Ferry
326 Posted 25/04/2025 at 19:45:40
Thanks for your post John de Frece 307. I'm interested in your opinion of Netanyahu and his Likud yes-men and also the countless atrocities committed against innocent civilians in the Gaza Strip.

I have a lot of Israeli friends and not one of them has a single good think to say about Netanyahu who has had the PM seat for more than 17 years FFS and condemn out of hand each and every of the many atrocities committed against innocent civilians in the Gaza Strip.


Flag this commentI set up the Everton osc in Israel - “Israeli Toffees” We have about 40 odd members. I’m really sad that this thread h

Jay Harris
327 Posted 25/04/2025 at 19:59:23
Last and only word on the subject it is not the people who are bad its the bad leadership which was also evident in the pandemic.

Its the likes of Putin. Khomeini and Netanyahu that are the instigators and propagators of hate and discontent.

Tony Abrahams
328 Posted 25/04/2025 at 20:14:19
If you want to listen to a good/great/unbelievable song that explains everything imo, then look no further than the great Roger Waters, and his backing vocalist singing Perfect sense 1&2.

And the Germans killed the Jews,

And the Jews killed the Arabs

And the Arabs killed the hostages

And that is the news

And is it any wonder that the monkey’s confused.

Can’t “we see”

It all makes perfect sense

Expressed in dollars and cents

Pounds, shillings and pence

Can’t you see

It all makes perfect sense.

By the way, what is unacceptable about the phrase MAKE EVERTON GREAT AGAIN, Snide?

Paul Ferry
329 Posted 25/04/2025 at 20:55:17
Phil (269), I would never go as far as Mr. Barrett (268). That’s unwarranted, even though I disagree with just about everything you say. I’ve explained that and don’t feel the need to say any more on that, except for two things:

How on earth can you make the scurrilous claim that I am “laying no blame” on Hamas for starting this. I did so quite clearly but for whatever reason you decided to ignore that. Why was that Phil? Is this not clear enough for you: “October 7 was also a disgusting atrocity. It began this horrible cycle”.

“If 7/10 had not happened - would the IDF have gone into Gaza?”. Yes, inevitably they would have done so as they have been doing for many years now.

Roger Helm, I see that you decided not to answer my questions. That’s all I need to know about you. To be fair my #237 and #240 pulled that scrappy threadbare rug of yours from under your feet.

PH (265): the Ukraine have been bombing Russia.

Ron Marr
331 Posted 25/04/2025 at 21:34:35
Well said Colin 323. Good man!

Lots of Jews around the world rabid Zionists “total bollocks” eh? Who controls the American politicians and media? And the British politicians and media?
Oh dear you forgot Hollywood. You need a new dog whistle.

John de Frece
354 Posted 26/04/2025 at 08:24:19
323 Colin: Many thanks. Your reply was outstanding.326 Paul : Personally I loathe Netanyahu. Have a look at my Facebook page and you will see my thoughts
Tony Abrahams
356 Posted 26/04/2025 at 08:57:47
So you are saying that Make Everton Great Again isn't acceptable because there is a phrase saying Make America Great Again, Curt?

If this is what the world has become, then god help the lot of us🤦‍♂️

Tony Abrahams
359 Posted 26/04/2025 at 09:05:34
When Liverpool signed Beardsley and Barnes, I think 99% of their fan base were definitely more excited with the signing of Wor Pete?

We all know how good Beardsley could be but I personally don’t think he ever reached the levels John Barnes did over the next couple of seasons Kieran, and those lucky bastards across the park, were treated to some outstanding, very easy on the eye, attacking football.

Curt Snyder
373 Posted 26/04/2025 at 10:08:45
Paul, if you knew what the other phrase was, getting that from your response to Steve, why were you asking for clarification? If Tony and I have differences about language, let it play out. And your divvy remark is daft for the reason that I was mildly confronting divisive language.

And no one used the R word. The complaint is about using this forum for divisive rhetoric and angry old man rants. Let's keep it simple.

Tony, I hope you feel better after that. I won't respond with an insult.

Andrew Grey
381 Posted 26/04/2025 at 10:44:44
October 7th is very recent in peoples minds, will it ever be forgotten? I doubt it.

Does anyone remember what happened on 16–18 September 1982? I doubt many will.

Did anyone see the ex-West Ham player Eyal Berkovic calling for the death of all Gazans on Israeli TV recently? He is one the highest paid TV talk show presenters in Israel.

I just had to Google Eyal Berkovic/John Hartson. It helped a little.

Eric Myles
386 Posted 26/04/2025 at 11:18:49
Peter # 372, they speak Russian, Ukrainian, English and Thai.

Again, what's that got to do with the price of Borscht?

Tony Abrahams
387 Posted 26/04/2025 at 13:04:41
Why would I feel better Curt? I’ve been saying for years that I’d love to see Everton, become ultra-professional, because that’s what I think is needed if we are to become a genuine competitive football club, once again.

If there is a genuine Evertonian, on this planet (seemingly besides yourself) that doesn’t want to see Everton become great again, then I would be absolutely dumbfounded, and for you to start going on about Trump, is the reason I chose to use an abbreviation, of your ToffeeWeb name.

Donald Trump, has got absolutely nothing to do with Making Everton Great Again, and yet you deem my phrase unacceptable? Get a life Curt.

Jeff Spiers
388 Posted 26/04/2025 at 16:18:18
Curt. re: Last paragraph of Tony's post. Nuff said
Steve Brown
389 Posted 26/04/2025 at 16:41:54
I agree with you, Curt – words have meaning.

I also don't buy the excuse that certain phrases are chosen inadvertantly. Nor that words that use colour to define race are done so in humour, banter, or innocence.

It is 2025 — not 1975. If you are struggling to adapt then try harder.

Danny O'Neill
390 Posted 26/04/2025 at 16:52:15
They were outstanding that season, Tony.

A professionally run Everton is what we've been screaming out for for nearly 40 years.

No more nostalgia. Now is about the future and getting us back to where we all want us to be.

Curt Snyder
395 Posted 27/04/2025 at 13:54:37
Paul,

I did misspell 'tutelage' on the Live Forum yesterday, I'll give you that.

Tony Abrahams
396 Posted 27/04/2025 at 21:42:34
I'm not sure I can say what I want, Paul, without getting confronted mildly for using divisive language.

Without logic = getting forensically analysed for writing Make Everton Great Again.

Jeff Spiers
397 Posted 27/04/2025 at 22:31:32
Tony. Don't let them silence you.

Paul's last sentence @392, spot on. Nuff said.

Paul Ferry
398 Posted 27/04/2025 at 22:42:44
Ah, that was what all the fuss was about, Tony – Make Everton Great Again.

How silly. Mountains and molehills stuff.

Tony Abrahams
399 Posted 27/04/2025 at 22:50:34
It's hard being an Evertonian sometimes on this website because you get questioned for writing Make Everton Great Again (at least my predictive text understands).

Not every team wins, but suggesting you want better for Everton might even get you labelled obnoxious and entitled, even after abstaining from trying to win for most of the last 30 years.

Paul Ferry
400 Posted 28/04/2025 at 00:19:42
Tony: "... suggesting you want better for Everton, might even get you labelled obnoxious and entitled ... "

But by who, Tony? By people who actually matter to you? This Curt Snyder fella, if he is new(ish) on here, has made a quite dramatically odd and often indecipherable debut.

Make Ferry Great Again!

Danny O'Neill
401 Posted 28/04/2025 at 06:22:22
Tony, I've been called deluded, a dreamer and accused of living in the land of make believe. Yesterday, I got taunted about when we last won a trophy.

It won't stop me wanting Everton back again, not surviving by the skin of our teeth as we have done or being satisfied with 7th.

Why shouldn't we believe?

I would say Make Everton Everton Again, to steal the phrase. Challenging for trophies. Competing in the league. Will it happen overnight? Probably not, but I'm not having this "It will take 5 or 10 years" mindset. We can move quicker than that.

1994 (Wimbledon), 1998 (Coventry) and 2023 (Bournemouth). To a lesser degree, 2022 (Palace), that gave us safety with a game to spare. Dark days, but we were there just as we always have been and will be.

No cause for celebration from me. Pure relief? Yes. But that is it and simply not good enough.

Tony Abrahams
402 Posted 28/04/2025 at 08:08:49
If you could see how close the new Isle of Man ferry terminal is to our new stadium, Paul, then you will realise that probably isn’t a bad shout!

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