Cant reply to you Tone, for some reason, but when the team was announced I expected more from Rohl and Garner to be honest and was relieved that Branthwaite wasn’t at left back. I posted my preferred eleven on another thread and it included Hackney and George in the line up. For the future I’d like to see Garner at right back with Armstrong and Hackney in midfield and George and Dibling on the flanks and KDH at 10. I’d also like to see O’Brien and Branthwaite in the middle, but accept that will be next year at best and can understand Tarkowski retaining his place for now. I still think we have the nucleus of a good young side, but that wont be realised with this manager and club mindset. Avoiding relegation shouldn’t be the ambition.

Doesn’t help when the owners oversee the sale of our best payer, and the signing of a so-called specialist right-back who is a dud.

Half time talk…”sit deep and try to contain them for the first 15 minutes. Guess what Davey boy…it only serves to hand the initiative to the opposition, a blind man on a galloping fucking horse can see that!

I’m actually surprised we went 6 games unbeaten. We are a run of the mil club, looking at yet another reset. Current owners want to jump ship, a manager that that will bumble along to get us enough points to stay clear of the relegation places to 45 odd points and leaves end of the season. He’s not that assed. 2 wins in 15 league games. Nothing will change.

Tactics, it’s never direct football. How many times are we opened up by simple 3 or 4 pass move. Why does it always have to go sideways, backwards or long diagonal allowing the opposition to get every man and his dog behind the ball? Hull don’t have better players than us plus there’s other teams such as Ipswich too. The difference is that they’re not shit scared to have a go, they’re not shit scared in letting their wingers or wide forwards get their heads down and run at defenders. Why change the team to accomodate the opposition? Why not have them change their team to face us for a change? Rohl is not a right midfielder, George is not a right winger. We’re back to square pegs in round holes. Stop lobbing balls into the box for a so called striker who can’t head the bloody thing. A back four with O’Brien on the right is still better than a back four with Maitland Niles in it. It’s the timewarp KITAP1 all over again. Moyes still thinks it’s 2006.

He’s a bottle-less get. You’ve got to be a desperately sad and terrified Evertonian to think he’s doing a good job. He’s doing what he’s does, and that’s all he can do. I don’t expect anything other than this fear-based approach to home matches, and leaving threatening players like George on the bench, but l do expect him to be gone at the end of the season.

Mark — Moyes record as a manager speaks for itself — he is,has and always will be a safety first manager, hold what we have, one point and try to keep hold of it — scared of losing — frightened of going for a win. For me as well he has the charisma of half a brick. Luckiest manager ever to earn( ? ) so much money with so little talent!

The Moyes debate will grow as we go deeper into the season and his contract nears expiry, new owner news emerges. He was always the stabiliser but no more. He has no winning pedigree, and lacks a positive winning mentality. If the fan base is happy with mid table mediocrity, caution first football and fear of taking any risk, then Moyes is your man. No doubt I’ll have people telling me to be careful what I wish for, what more could be done with this squad. I’d just like to see a positive brand of football, and ambition to challenge for things. With Moyes and TFG neither are happening any time soon.

Martin F it is that consistent bullshit that has always irritated me about Moyes. I cannot fathom this eternal love-in when people talk about Moyes in the press. They always, without fail tak about the “wonders” he has done at Everton. The constant gaslighting by the pundits and press around Moyes has to stop. Nobody ever says ” but why dies he not give the whole squad a chance?” “Why does he persist with the same tactics regardless of the on-field situation that is playing out ?” I just don’t understand it. Moyes out for me. I don’t want to hear thst we have a small squad and that he works wonders with it. He doesn’t work wonders, he’s a bullshitter and I want him gone

Point 3 is Moyes approach in a nutshell Martin. Most managers would play a winger in a home game to keep the left back deeper. He plays a defensive midfielder there to negate the threat.

Just watched DinoMoyes post match conference to the media which was alarming to say the least. 1) He didnt know Everton had conceded 3 quick goals straight after half time. Saying he was more concerned about something with the hull game that i couldnt understand. 2) Overall he thought the team did well with its total performance and that there wasnt much difference between the sides, having earlier mentioned the difference in quality between the two squads. 3) Rohl was played instead of George / Dibling / Johnson because of the threat from Chelsea’s left back Chavarria, who actually didnt play. 4) He was asked about Garner being shit (wasnt quite put that way) his retort being he’s been called up to England and that he isnt quite at the levels of last season 5) He couldnt or didnt state why the team were not creative or failed to go forward and wasnt really asked. He made mention of the Barry header. 6) He thought that the Chelsea goals were fortunate. Oh cant type any more words

That’s the best option from a bad bunch Paul; Garner does not look full fit so playing him at full-back might be a better option. It would also open us a space for Hackney.

Or as he likes a centre half he could go 3 at the back.

I actually worry that we spend money in the transfer window and the young talented players slip further down to line for clearly unfit/out of form “premier league experience” players who huff and puff and do nothing. At the start of the season the stand outs were the in form youngsters. Hackney driving the team forward with positive play. George destroying full backs and creating chances, winning MOM awards, scoring goals. Rohl – while not always assured at the back was offering pace on the wing to drive forward. Armstrong – Mid field battler covering acres of ground and winning balls. Barry – Scoring We were creating chances, more chances in one game than most of last season. All bar Armstrong are on the bench. Team is slowed down, no one goes forward, we play crab passing back and forth, no pace, no foward play, the chances have dried up and with it the goals.

Perhaps Barry shouldn’t start in the next match. Sure, he’s scored 3 goals, but he needed 25 chances to get them. His confidence probably isn’t very high right now. And he might also be a bit too distracted at the moment—he likely has more expensive designer bags than goals by now… Charly should start against Arsenal, and Barry could be brought on as a substitute in the second half. His family would be happy with that, too. 😉

Si, you are correct. The guy was motoring past Niles before he got the ball from the guy Niles was marking. Rohl was nowhere near enough to either of them. IMO Rohl has not shown enough yet to warrant a first team place. He was anonymous in the first half and is definitely not a fullback either. Not good enough defensively.

Good post Ian but at No.3 — Big Jake might not have made as many errors as the others but he would have given his best to equal them, he’s not a full back Ian— as you know!

Derek I think he will be doing next to nothing like he did most of the time he was here. I wish my mam was still alive — she would have got that trendy handsome fella for you in an instant like she used to do for her young nieces or friends when she read the tea leaves after they had finished drinking their cup of tea!

Frightening David when read in black and white. You are right in your summation mate. That`s me done with going the game if he gets an extension.

Garner?

Right back condrum 1. Stick with the dreadful maitland niles. Surely he cant play worst. Oh yes he can. 2. Go back to rohl. He is game, but the experts will tell us he has holes in his game. Hmm glad maitland niles hasnt shown those deficiencies. 3. Go back to big Jake. He offers nothing going forward, but wouldn’t have made the sheer volume of errors as the current right back. 4. Spend the money, and buy a top right back. The summer window and lack of financial support brutally exposes the issues on the pitch of trying to compete with inferior players. Anyone that is surprised amn is stinking the gaff out, clearly hadnt read about his performances at Lyon or understood what £3m actually gets you in 2026 for a 29 year old English player. Lyon were happy to get any fee, he’s happy earning £50-60k a week that championship clubs wouldnt pay, and we were happy to get anyone through the door that remotely looks like a professional footballer. That was our ambition.

Great shout Derek mate. Osman?

What’s Andrè Gomes doing these days?

Beg your pardon. Rio Bravo. Morning Stumpy,looking forward to some dyneemite posting today

I backed the win only as well as score and win Ray,so was well up for the weeekend mate. I try to back with my head mate,rather than the punters who bet with their hearts,the bookies love them.

Not sure Moyes contract getting shorter actually means he’s closer to the exit, especially with the ownership issue. He’s probably in a better bargaining position for at least a 12 month extension. TFG wont want to rock the boat while selling to project stability, and who’s going to come before the ownership is going to change? We are likely going to have moyes until a sale is completed at the very least, and then what will new owners want, who knows?

I want our gaffer to be a trendy young tanned devastatingly handsome foreigner who looks cool in black from head to toe. Any trendy young tanned devastatingly handsome foreigner who looks cool in black from head to toe.

5-0 mate, even worse

The PFA should take Moyes to court for sending Norgaard on in those circumstances. It was a travesty. The lad hasn’t played in competitive match since last season and, by Moyes” own admission, had not fully regained fitness after a serious groin injury. So what happens, Palmer who was having a field day anyway, skins him alive. He didn’t have a chance – criminal. Man manager ??? – Norgaard’s home debut destroyed and his confidence no doubt severly dented while Hackney, Alcaraz, and Dibling have to watch that debacle from the bench.

Angus can’t, TFG won’t. Moyes has a ‘Get out of Jail free’ season ticket valid until the end of May

Put AMN at R Mid Field then and play Patterson at his proper position…oh wait

I haven’t really looked, but what if anything has David-P20, W4-Moyes had to say about last weekends latest debacle. Compare with the maybe naive but honest Pierre Sage after Palaces 5-1 lose to their hated rivals “It’s my fault because I am the coach, I gave the motivation. I prepare the situations. We played so bad it’s my fault,” said Frenchman Sage, who was only appointed Palace manager in the summer. “It’s difficult to summarise because there are a lot of negative points. “We started really bad. It’s completely not normal to concede three goals in this kind of game after nine minutes. “I prepare the team, that is why I am responsible of what’s happened on the pitch. I have a lot of work to do because I have to change this kind of thing.”

Michael, couldn’t agree more. Clearly MN stuffed up again and as you stated. But it wasn’t the first time in the game. Tries to be somewhat fancy at the wrong times. Should be dropped for a while and get this handled in training. Bring Jack O’Brien into the starting 11. This means Moyes has to grow up and stop being so damn obstinate and moody!

Norgard wasn’t match ready and should not even have been on the bench. Maitland Niles should have been dropped having been responsible for the 2 goals by Hull Jack O’Brien is being missed. Grow up Moyes! Moody B****rd! Same with Charlie. Hackney should have started!

Sean; I’d go one step further. He doesn’t know what his best 11 is, he’s not even sure what Hackney, Armstrong, Rohl, Garners or KDHs actual real best position are and thus can’t get a balanced MF to save his life. All he does know is A) JOB pissed him off – so he’s out. B) Grealish cost an absolute fortune but he’ll sit on the halfway line and not let me down, aka, lose the ball too often. C) unlike Dibling or Alcaraz who will both lose the ball And let me down.

What do I think? I look at Chelsea sat all alone in 4th above the rs and I think for (at least) the 20th time we’ve had a chance to make a significant step up the table – and bottled it. Now Moyes is not responsible for All of these fuck ups – but its by no means his first rodeo, he’s a repeat offender. We’re the ultimate…and here’s what you could’ve won…Bulls Eye team.

Every day his contract is not extended he edges closer to an exit.

The Boardroom not only can’t act…they’re just place holders with limited power – but won’t act. Status Quo until we’re sold will apply…or the end of June, whichever comes first. Unless we’re going Down Down, which could happen – but won’t

On a couple of levels, technically he, like all of us, Is edging closer to ‘an exit’ – one day at a time as they say. I hope his Everton footballing exit comes before my inevitable one

Like the team on the pitch…it will have limited coverage and be as useful today as a Nokia brick.

Does anyone really believe that Sunderland, Ipswich, Bournemouth, Hull etc…have a better squad than us? No they don’t! But they at least under their manager they try and win games, that’s our problem under this jock loser, safety first football and its absolutely dire to watch. I can take getting beat, but not trying to win a game is unforgivable. I’ve said it several times on this site, other than when he had the teary one to protect him, he’s been sacked by every club he’s managed due to his horrible safety first style football. If we don’t get rid of him every young talented player we have will want out of the club due to non playing time, this man is stifling creativity and ambition and it cant go on.

Everton…. mobile? Naw!

Everyone saying Moyes should have done this or that! The man is clueless. He doesn’t know any better. He is a freaking one-trick-pony. Hope to god he is gone tomorrow. Can’t take this shit anymore!

Ray, thanks for the back-up. I have no problem conceding his awful mistakes against Hull had little to do with whether he’s a more natural midfielder than a full-back, but that doesn’t mean he should now be held to impossible standards. Rohl simply gave him too much to do.

Great news !!! just what the world needs !

Here’s good clickbait headline to get your hopes up: “Revealed: David Moyes edges closer to Everton exit” Unfortunately, it’s from Football Insider… which is anything but.

What was the name of the deputy sheriff in The Sons of Katie Elder? The one with the clickety hip 😂

Good post Mrs Moyes

4 wins out of our last 20 , and ‘fans’ continue to blow smoke up his arse?

Why haven’t Rohl and Hackney been given a chance to play in there rightful positions? We won’t win many matches under safe Dave.