Dave A my man… Why are your posts with full date and time, making me feel like there’s something afoot..Quite nervous lol…

Good to see posters understanding Norgaard’s situation. Bad to see that decision moving back Hackney’s development. I guess Moyes is rather uptight about finishing bottom-half of the table.

Ian. There could an opportunity to change the rules, but when you hear the IFR claiming that the “big 6” not fixed, at you can get in there on sporting performance, I don’t think they fancy taking it on. The big clubs won’t want to change the rules, middle & lower teams don’t want to lose the spot in the PL, these rules also stop EFL clubs being able to compete and take their place in the PL . Vicious circle of greed !

Even if the Premier League clubs voted against SCR, that would still leave Uefa with their version to throttle down European aspirations.

The City case is bringing the PSR/SCR regs into the spotlight. The regs are not safeguarding financial viability of clubs, simply protecting the interests of a few. This is an opportunity to re write the rules and deliver a fairer playing field. Will it happen? I doubt it, the PL members club will once again fail to vote in change. Fans should then ask why. We collectively want our game back.

Thanks for bringing up a game that I am still scarred by Dave, and if you had read the posts by Jimmy and Christy, you would already have been aware of where most sensible people laid the blame for the introduction of Norgaard, last Saturday. Also make sure you put your clock back on Sunday morning if you want to stay up to date with the time!

In what other bussiness are competitors given a disadvantage to what they can invest in that bussiness? There’s 2 pubs next to each other both need investment, but if you buy 1 you can only invest 20k, buy the other, you can invest 200k, which 1 are you going to buy ? The SCR rules are going to reduce the number of people who want to invest, because they can’t invest anymore than allowed. The inequality to what mid table clubs can invest compared to the top few is vast, and as they allude to on the podcast, too big to make us competitive. Surely there’s some type of law that overrides this SCR/PSR ? Its anti competitive, gives a monopoly to the already established bigger clubs, stifling competition, ruining the aspirations of great clubs . If there was a way a rich investor could put his money in, we’d be snapped up, or TFG wouldn’t be selling .

The opinions sound like they have been formed after looking at the way the club, is currently operating. Surely this would change if we got owners with real ambition, although from a personal point of view, it would make me very happy if TSF, never made any real profit. Players wages are ridiculous Mark, completely off the scale and the main reason that so many clubs, don’t appear to be financially viable.

22-10-26 — 16-55pm. Not going off the point of Nørgaards debut but over forty years ago Glen Keeley made his debut and only game for Everton in a 5-0 loss to Liverpool at Goodison Park— Keeley wasn’t match fit and told Howard Kendall so before the match – Kendall told him he’d be okay— forty odd years later fans still complain about Keeley being a useless so and so of a player when Kendall was the real culprit— the moral if this story is don’t blame the player in the future blame the manager who selected him. I do know no-one has blamed Norgaard up to now except to say how embarrassing it was for the lad and those who watched him!

We expect nothing, no Everton goals, no points and no new Moyes strategies.. On the plus side upsets do happen and we live in hope. He has to at least start George and quite honestly I would play O’brien alongside him. Anyone except that plonker Barry. But he will start as usual with 4 at the back and 5 across the middle until Arsenal score and we know it’s game over.

We’re on a hiding to nothing. We’ll offer nothing and score nothing. We’ll get a good hiding

So these are opinions, which may be wrong, gleaned from other stuff I’ve read… – The real question is, will it be difficult to sell Everton for a handsome profit. The answer to that is yes, if it is sold to another with an investor mentality. Different if they find a trophy hunter to sell to. – I have no hopes at all for January. Unless we have slid down the league by then and it needs the emergency button pressed. – TFG are selling because they can’t see an adequate return for what still needs to be put in. In particular, they do not think the stadium is a game changer, P&L wise. – This sentiment has ramifications elsewhere. TFG got this stadium at a cut price having filleted Moshiri and 777 pretty comprehensively, maybe a 30-40% discount. Inflation means any new stadiums will cost more and won’t have a discount. How is anyone going to make this pay? Even Arsenal are loss making and shedding staff. Are players wages going to have to be restrained for the game to be sustainable?

And then he went to the other crew, and (one could think) found out -ironically against us, losing 2-0- that it’s not about that.

The coward has his knife and book of excuses ready. Same team. Rinse, repeat.

We witnessed firsthand the collapse of the site after the sale; it was also apparent that people were trying to guide the new site owners back in the right direction before it fell off a cliff. You should know people appreciate your efforts, Michael and Harry.

“Will Moyes have learned anything whatsoever from the last game?” .. We will see.

Agree Mark, stability in the context of Everton just means failure to improve. It has been cited by cynical owners for 30 years to dumb down expectations. It amazes me that some supporters still fall for it.

Apparently they’ve been playing this U17s Premier League Cup for the last six seasons, Dave. But the club doesn’t provide teamsheets, at least not consistently, and they are never listed at my other resource, the YouthHawk website, so they slip right under the radar. It’s a classic case where, if they hadn’t had such a stonking win, you wouldn’t have heard of them for dust and tumbleweed…

Michael, I think they were saying that whilst the stadium generates additional revenue, it’s also carrying a £30m per annum mortgage cost and Everton’s potential for substantial revenue increase is limited by local fan base. We need to see concerts and other stadium use asap. Neither believed the sale would generate the £1bn plus asking price because of EFC earnings limitations. Earnings limitation also restricts our SCR and hence ability to invest in squad. Like Newcastle even if we had the money to spend, the SCR regs mean we can’t. Note they were both amazed, given the decision to sell, that the squad has been left in its bare state. If we drop down league, then saleability gets tougher. Neither saw a quick sale.

I see whoever buys it will want that horrible word stability first of all. I therefore see Moyes getting a contract extension. So we are stuck with this dreadfully frustrating football for the foreseeable. Mid table, no cups, more refusal to rotate the squad fully and play footballers in their preferred positions. Watch TFG splash some cash in Jan to stop us tumbling down the table. They need an asset to sell to whoever comes in for us not a failing team. The footballing management side of Everton right now is a cluster fuck. Moyes, Kinnear, Hammond. The new 3 Stooges

The short version is, it wasn’t his fault the numpty manager threw him into a melting pot before he was remotely ready. I’m still looking forward to him playing when properly ready and fit. I think he will be an asset if used properly.

Can’t you not see the similarities between The Glaziers and Bill Kenwright, Ian? Success starts at the top and if your number one objective is to stay in charge and service the bills, then it won’t take the players long to cotton on, imo

Can see Moyes making big changes, playing Garner at fullback, O’Brien beside Branthwaite, Hackney in midfield, and George/Dibling on the right, and give Arsenal a rattle. Yeah and pig’s might fly!

Haha, yeah, kind of backfired on him

The arrogance of David Moyes, was perfectly encapsulated when he was talking about the fans booing the decision to sell Harrison Armstrong. Sometimes the fans are correct? The times have definitely changed because the knowledgeable Evertonians, I first encountered when I first started going to Goodison, wouldn’t have put up with David Moyes, for long and yet he’s now done close to 15 years. I think he was brought on for the reasons Jimmy Salt, gave us John. Been there before – I know your sort – All Mod Cons!

The bookies wont be able to split them

At present, he is not important for us at all. He is a 32 year old recent signing who is far away from match fitness after a long injury.

Big picture John. Changing the manager changes little at united, if the players arent good enough. I was referring to united, clearly…. But it highlights our issues, when we lack quality through out the pitch. Pickford is the least of our issues, even if some of the goals haven’t been great.

I don’t blame Norgaard, he hasn’t played since last May, only back training a few weeks, he was miles off the pace, and that’s what cost us the 2nd goal, Moyes has to take responsibility, but he’ll make some excuse, and could someone explain to me, when we were 0-1, he brings on a defensive midfielder? His wrong team selections and poor substitutions have carried on from last seasons disastrous finish. He’s too arrogant in his press conference’s, and the only journalist who really questions him, is Julia from radio Merseyside, and it’ll be the same old bullshit tomorrow. He should start Garner at fullback and play Hackney in midfield against Arsenal, and how is Johnson still in the mix, George, Alcaraz Dibling and Hackney must be totally deflated.

If Nørgaard, becomes the player we expect him to be then that’ll be Alkaraz, Armstrong and Hackney, sitting on the sidelines for long periods, because this is exactly how David Moyes, has always managed his squad.

Patric. They will know him as well. Strengths and weaknesses. Every opponent Mike Tyson fought knew him well. Made no difference to the outcome.

Many thanks to Ian Wilkins for flagging this on another thread. They make it out to be £400M invested by TFG plus £400M in secured long-term debt on the stadium, so £800M to break even and anything above that is profit. I would have thought the long-term financing of the stadium would stay in place through any sale, and I still don’t understand why the full value of the stadium — a cool £1B by this point — isn’t really refleected in the asking price for the club, which should be around £1.5B surely?

He’s an important player for us.

We have a Poor keeper Ian ?

The spat at united after another defeat, I think is something to look at. It will in all likelihood cost Carrick his job, with them looking for their 9th manager temp or permanent in 7 years. And what will actually change? A poor keeper, a poor defence, a midfield that cant run and a lack of top class centre forwards. We are United Lite in many ways.

Gosh, this game is so hard to call.

I second that Steve

I would have to agree but also add, until everyone witnessed the performance Jimmy!

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Appreciate the kind comments, Steve. Michael and I are doing our best to improve TW and keep/restore what made it so great previously. We’re dealing with a whole host of challenges and would like to improve the pace of changes, but we’re doing what we can. Glad to see some can see that.

The Henry Winter/ Christian Purslow podcast on Everton FC potential sale and current status is worth a listen. Many will not agree with some views expressed, particularly retaining Moyes, but it’s an informed conversation imo.

I mentioned my team for this game on another thread, so this is a repeat. I think Moyes can’t take any more chances at RB – Garner would be the best option to keep the likes of Eze and Madueke at bay. And Hackney should fill his role in midfield. I would also play George on the right wing. Pickford Garner Tarkowski Branthwaite Mykolenko Hackney Dewsbury-Hall Armstrong George Barry Grealish With possible subs being – Alcaraz, Johnson, Dibling, Rohl, O’Brien, Norgaard. This team has enough talent and steel to take the fight to Arsenal, if only Moyes believes in himself and his players. And, Pickford needs to find his best form quickly – his last 2 games have been iffy and the vultures are beginning to circle (from an England point of view).

We should thank Mike and Harry for getting TW back on track. The site could be sat behind a payment wall, but it is a free forum that enables Evertonians to discuss and debate. All I read is endless complaining about the betting ads (don’t click on them), the number of articles (too many or diverse), or the functionality (likely to be resolved next month).

There is clearly a lack of goals in the team and the burden is too great for Barry to carry on his own. How about moving Dewsbury-Hall back into no6 role and bring Alcatraz into no10 role. Every time that lad plays he either scores or creates an assist for someone. Just a thought Mr Moyes!

22-10-26 — 11-19am. Just for your records book Michael— Earlier in the week Tuesday (?) Everton’s U17’s beat Derby County’s U17’s 5-0 at Finch Farm in the U17’s cup, Kai Hutchison scored a hat trick and Harry Brookes got the other two Nsangou played in this game so maybe they are taking this competition senriously.

Nice to hear from you, Ronnie. Eric’s take is more accurate: Lyndon chose to sell ToffeeWeb to Moveup Media. I had to watch just as everyone else did as the site foundered and people struggled in the early days after the initial changes. I’d had no contact with Moveup Media previously but I found one of the executives on LinkedIn. He was receptive to my observations and thought it would help having a recognized Evertonian name posting on ToffeeWeb again. It took a few months but we got things back on track somewhat, with Harry then coming on board to look after the site on their side. Our objective, as I see it, is to post up between one and three relevant items of Everton content each day for people who want to stay informed about the club and hopefully how other fans are thinking. As for openness and accountability, I’ll let you make that call.

Ronnie I am sure Michael Kenrick is well able to defend himself but he has been as critical as anybody about the owners new format for this site. As for Lyndon he sold this site for a handsome profit and good luck to him. I did email Harry Diamond and he is hopeful that early November we may get all posts in chronological order which well help enormously. Remember its the owners who control this site not Michael or Harry. They want Toffeeweb to operate as it used too and I know they are putting pressure on the new owners to make the changes we all want. Lets hope they can persuade the new owners and we get Toffeeweb back to what it used to be.

Oh yes I remember now. Great day.

22-10-26— 8-58am. I think the player Joe was after was already earmarked for another club by the player Joe was after -I think Joe was already set for the boot at that time struggling with Everton near the bottom of the league!

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