That’s like saying that fella aint as bad as Adolf MK.

Surely not just “A classic Everton Masterclass™” Michael, but a classic (every club name here) Masterclass™ with youngsters that are too young to sign professional contracts?

Need a lot more information to make conclusions about this. Where is he based? Did he have significant rivalry for a path to the first team at EFC and less at Villa? Granular context for those 7 goals in 15 games would also be useful.

Michael – What were we supposed to have done that we didn’t ?

This England team is full of confidence, playing some slick football, moving the ball at pace. It won’t do our players any harm to be part of it. Provided they steer clear of injury of course.

Just the typical poaching wars. Clubs are always signing other clubs’ English youth prospects now that Brexit has limited PL clubs’ access to young European prospects. We’ve signed over a dozen youngsters ourselves.

Michael because that’s not a peach of a pass it’s a total cock up by the Czech defender going by the report of the game and a few supporters who described the goal.

Yes Christy Jarrad and James coming on when the game is safe— still I hope they don’t over stretch themselves with Sunday in mind.

James and Jarrard, cmon lads

Why doesn’t Kane get the credit of an assist for the first England goal? He puts in a peach of a cross and a Czech defender turns it past his own keeper. If that isn’t an assist, I just give up.

I see what you mean now, Dave. Some apparently new comments showing up on the Recent Comments page… but they don’t appear to be here. Very strange.

Disappointed Branthwaite hasn’t got a start in any off the games, especially as Quansah has played fullback and centreback tonight, ahead of him,

A much more competitive game than Croatia. Pickford is making me nervous though, taking a tad bit too long under the high press. But brilliant second goal for England: Anderson to Rogers to Kane — superb fiirst touches.

I know it’s all well and good being wise after the event but he was a kid who was encouraged by his peers to drink and then invited to snort cocaine… Just say No! At 19, he was old enough to take personal responsibility, or should those close to him have been aware that he had an addictive personality and should they have done more to protect him from himself? But perhaps it was naive of some to expect that he could fight off such temptations on his own. I’m just not fully buying into this line that it was Everton’s fault.

A much more competitive game than Croatia. Pickford is making me nervous though, taking a tad bit too long under the high press.

Mike ( further down this thread about an hour go) Yes Mike a bit like yourself when the posts are about our new owners!

Yes Bilbo played for the first team a few times before going to Tranmere Rovers. When Bilbo played for Liverpool boys his fellow striker was David Johnson and anyone who saw that team most would have opted for Bilbo to make the grade before Johnson but Johnson took his chance and maybe he was more professional the way he went about taking that chance. Maybe Bilbo lost some ambition after Everton let him go because he never made a career out of football and I think he was definitely good enough to earn a good living out of the game.

Different times though. Wasn’t just footballers, men liked a good bevy back then, his bigger issue was the emerging coke and drug scene among lads his age at that time. Few years later and the lad might of been something special for us.

Out of 22 of today’s Everton headlines on ‘news now Everton’ 20 are about Pickfords driving issue. How sad is that, surely there are other more interesting subjects about Everton than that.

I knew you’d be heard from on this thread, Dave!

Dave 😂. I’d never heard that story but knew what was coming.Full of confidence the kid. I think he was right on Milligan learning off him. He could have been a top player Dave. Was his dad on our books as a kid. Memory not as good as it was.

Dave a bit ironic that — his manager was Howard Kendall who didn’t know how to look after himself as well as Gascoigne and Whiteside — great players though they were they would have lasted longer if they had learned how to look after themselves better than they did.

Billy was a character but didn’t have a big ego just came out with things instantaneously mostly for a laugh, a bit of banter, I remember a story about Billy when Mike Walker was manager and he had watched one of youth teams playing at Bellefield on a Saturday morning and he went round the players after the game telling each one of them “ When you come to Goodison this afternoon I want you to watch the player who plays in your position and learn from them” when he came to Billy he said “ I want you to watch Mike Milligan and pick up a few pointers on how to play” Billy said to Walker. “ You should have brought him here this morning to watch me and he would have learned a few things off me” That was Billy easy going and always ready for a laugh, his dad Bilbo was quieter and easy to get along with but liked a bit of banter himself.

Would have been as good a player as any of them imo. I recall him running a derby game when he was 19. I also recall thinking “we’ve got our central midfielder for the next 5 years” Family full of good Blues as well

The shocking thing is the lack of support from the club, his colleagues and his manager when his problems started to impact on his performance. To compare him to Gascoigne and Whiteside is a tad over generous- Kenny was still unrealised potential whereas the other 2 were established top players but it is nonetheless a sad tale of neglect by everyone including himself. There are some quite uncomplimentary comments doing the rounds about him- maybe I’ll read the book to make my own mind up!

That moment could have killed somebody if it wasn’t for the reactions of other drivers. He’s an idiot and deserves ban.

Michael you’ve had to go back and dig a lot of these comments from over a month ago – is Toffeeweb coming alive again?

Eric I think a lot of those 24 players never played many times for the blues and sometimes were selected when the game wasn’t very important or when we were well ahead and not long to go.

I think Graham is a poacher of goals no matter what position he starts in, Grealish hogs the wide position on the touchline and mostly stays there , I like George and hope he gets a lot more game time than he got off Moyes last season.

Under Moyes 1.0 he introduced 24 youth players into the first team Dave, in 11 years. Can’t say how many the managers in the 14 years in between did, but I’d bet it’s a lower number.

You say “we’re not going back” Michael, but why? If this format is not working, and even worse, is unpopular with your customers, why can’t you go back to the simple way it was before? Is it ‘cos of a platform change to the main hosting website that doesn’t support that? Or ‘cos of “corporate” decisions on how the suits want it to be? Or ‘cos it’s geared to leverage more traffic for the betting clicks, presumably the main income generator now? Or ‘cos those corporate suits have gotten themselves into some contract that they can’t escape from and have to plough on regardless, even to the detriment of the product? Probably more a question for Harry to answer I’d guess.

Graham plays LW/LAM where we have Grealish and George so thats the reason he doesnt get minutes.I doubt he is ready to play CF as he looks to lightweight.He needs to be loaned out to a championship club in January.Even the 10 role he is behind KDH and Alcaraz.The other managers had us fighting relegation Moyes has us looking up instead of down.Matos tho looks a decent player and hopefully he takes his spot in u23’s and thrives so when we sell Garner which i think we will in January Matos could take his spot as our CM will still be strong.So he could back them up.Moyes does like his premierleague ready players but if young players impress him he plays them.Look at Armstrong and George and now he’s impressed with Dibling who’s now getting minutes.

Looks OK to me for a Lambourghini, and I don’t like Lambos.

So I was right, Arena are software suppliers. I hope your legal team are looking carefully at the contract for non-performance and cancellation clauses and looking for an alternative provider. In hindsight it would have been better to stick with your in-house IT. For all their obvious limitations it was better than this.

I think I have missed the old Toffeeweb, more than I’ve missed Everton, Dave. Michael, keeps going but this new format is really poor at the minute, but talking about football, I was hearing on the radio, earlier today that Harry Kane, could equal Peter Shilton’s 125 England cap record tonight. I remember someone posted on a very old match thread from over thirteen years ago, when England under 20’s played Egypt, saying that England, don’t change the way they play and the very young Kane, reminded him of Lee Chapman. I thought this was a decent observation at the time, so credit to Harry Kane, because he turned out to be at least a thousand times better than Chapman, and has arguably developed into one of the best footballers in the world, and although I personally think Rooney, was a better all round player, Harry Kane, has definitely been a lot more prolific and consistent than Rooney, ever was, on the international stage. Can posts only consist of so many words in this new format?

I wouldn’t trust Jordan driving a Reliant Robin, or even an electric three wheeler bike, mind you that would suit his eccentric personality!

Michael I think it is a lot easier to become a member of Toffeeweb, even the way it is now, than to be able to join Evertonia, I’m still waiting for a reply off them which has been promised three times.

Michael my comment about hiring Lyndon to fix some of the problems was me being flippant. You know better than anyone that this new format isn’t working for regular Toffee webbers and I would also the new owners must be worried about how the number of posters has fallen away. I am sure that the company that have bought this site must have clever guys who can put the fixes required pretty quickly and if they listen to you and Harry they will have the number of posters back to the level they used to be. As everyday that goes by the temptation is for people to find alternative Everton related sites. Michael/ Harry most still contributing love this site and the interaction we have between each other so please get the powers that be put the fixes in quickly before any more posters leave.

Brian, I suppose hankering after the past is a predominant Evertonian trait that we should perhaps pay more attention to but I think you’re barking up the wrong tree. It was Lyndon’s decision to sell ToffeeWeb and set up a magazine-style website instead. We’re not going back. The comments will appear less jumbled if you select Newest and avoid using the Reply facility. Arena are not the new owners. They are the providers of software that runs the comment system. This week, we will be pressing them hard for fixes to the many problems we have identified in the short time we have been using their system. Top of the list is to have Oldest first as default. I think this is what most people want to see and we have impressed on Arena how important it is for us that they get this done for us as soon as possible.

Excellent police work by PC Cecil

A good run out for Johnson. He needs game time to get fitness and confidence up.

was it alex ferguson who got mr loop hole lawyer to claim there was a toilet emergency to avoid a speeding fine / points driving ban – anyway to put it mildly not a good look ..another footballer who thinks he is above the law. who does he think he is ? a member of the royal family !

Are Arena the owners? I thought they’re the software provider for the comments system? You’d think the actual owners would have a greater focus on fixing the problems.

The link problem seems to have been fixed 🙃

‘completely ignored the give way lines and pulled onto Toft Road causing two vehicles to slam on their brakes to avoid a collision’. Sounds like a bit more than crunching the gears Ian. I suppose we will have to wait to hear what his mitigation was, but something like rushing to get somewhere urgently would make it a calculated risk at best, not a mistake.

UEFA waiting for referee’s report from an incident at half-time, where it’s alleged an Israeli player allegedly spat at one of the Irish backroom staff?

Spot on John!! Michael paddling up stream, doing his best while bombs getting dropped on him . It is an Evertoinian site and we know it’s never an easy ride being a blue. Michael must feel like Dyche during the point deductions, but without the flares and dog carrying shenanigans!

ian what do you mean momentarily ? throw the book at him – would he catch it ? make him drive my 10 year old nissan noddy car

He made a mistake, and momentarily acted like a idiot. I expect we’ve all done just as bad. No story here.

Not the most subtle car to be driving around like that!