I wouldn’t play him against Arsenal Patric – they will run rings round him because he won’t have gained match fitness since last week. We will need to run a lot in this match. I was going to suggest playing KDH deeper in midfield but that would be like whistling in the wind.

Oh no, not the poor players wages – will nobody think of their children It’s like a 4 Yorkshiremen Sketch in reverse *No 1 says smugly* Aye we ‘ad it reet tough, when I wert lad I only ‘ad hundred grand a week AND I ‘ad t’play 2 games a week No.2; Luxury! etc, etc.

Hi Tony. But ambition is an abstract. TFG would have been ambitious had they seen reason to be. They have spotted the structural barriers, which include PSR (which it seems to be could not be better tailored to protect an oligopoly). And also the reality of stadia competition and our lack of obvious strength in that market. Meanwhile the debt servicing takes away the margin – not all that different to the UK right now. If it even can be done with a new owner, it will need time, lots of it. hence the trophy hunter reference. Personally I think a cold wind is blowing and they’ll do well to get their money back, if it really is £800m ( I have a hunch it’s a little less than that, net).

Micheal – when I clicked the contact link it brought me to this page. My question is for the people in charge of the site maintenance- Have they fixed the PHP vulnerability. I think this is particularly important for the Betting options on Toffeeweb

Apparently 94% of the English league clubs are loss making and on the edge of going under

Why did the clubs vote it in.

Grealish as a 10? great in theory. In an ‘recent’ interview he was asked about this and he said yes I ‘can’ – but his face / body language gave the other unspoken half of the comment – but I’m not too keen. It then comes down to a contest of wills, does Moyes have the man management skills to ‘make him’, does he have the bottle to sit him on the naughty step like JOB. If our Midnight Jack buys into it all well and good, doing a half arsed job is no good for anybody How does Dithering Davy set the rest of the team up around him? Go ‘ead Moyesy – astound me.

It’s a pitty Bezos became Bezosted with the red shite before we were up for grabs. We could have all looked forward to free deliveries.

I see your point Patric,but surely not against Arsenal? When he is fit he will start most games imo,almost a 5th defender. David will love that.

Did you mean Thread ? Was wondering earlier on the discussion about match tickets Are you still getting your match tickets off Anthony Barry? Probably no more tickets after you blew your mates confidence up about him getting the Everton job. I would imagine Anthony was embarrassed by your in the know comment . Expensive nowadays match tickets.

an ever increasing number, Tony

Cracking thred this

He’s also a Midnight. Dyneemite news but old news. Leopards and spots and all that

Stumpy is causing mayhem in pastures new. Jumpin Jehosaphats

Pete, Firstly, can you please click on Account and change your Display name to ‘Pete Ambrose’? Thanks. Secondly, the claim that Moyes is doing a great job just doesn’t wash with a lot of Evertonians — most of whom have been watching Everton far longer than Moyes has been the manager. They know exactly what they are watching and they know that the squad is not being used to anywhere near its full potential. With a small squad, to make such a claim seems intuitively ridiculous — surely the manager would make the most of the talents he has under his command? But this is clearly and demonstrably the case. The other great criticism is that he has the team playing with the handbrake on, minimising risk and playing well within themselves, basically to protect the single point they start each game with. What you saw if you watched the Chelsea game was these two mad footballing philosophies combining to produce the inevitable errors, conceded goals, and lost points — all 3 points lost.

It was a very good match, Brian. Vitinha is certainly a footballing maestro. And it was a bit ofun watching Barca having to sit deep and defend.

Everton fans claiming Moyes is clueless are really commenting on themselves. If they knew football they would realise that Moyes is doing a really good job. Might not be full on attacking etc but you cut your cloth according to the quality provided. Every pundit, other managers etc all say one thing,,,Moyes has done a brilliant job under difficult conditions. When are the fans that keep knocking him and whining about his tactics going to realise that you can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear… to read some of the comments etc you would think those fans would rather Everton were back fighting relegation. It’s plain to see that it wouldn’t matter how many games that Moyes won those same fans (?) would be on here complaining. It seems to be the way they justify their existence. The writer of the main column is just as bad. He seems to be constantly pulling Moyes down which is pathetic, he’s supposed to know football ha ha.

22-10-26. 19-58pm, That green arrow at the bottom of your post was off me.

Very difficult in my opinion. Any new owner will have to spend £800 million on buying the club. Probably another £500 million just to make us competitive. For a team that is mid table fodder and doesn’t win trophies. I fear the Friedkins will have us for quite a while.

22-10-26— 19–42 pm Tony if you had read the last line of my post you would know that I acknowledged where the blame lay. Furthermore I told you about the clocks going back three weeks ago so I’m well ahead of there so I’ll be ready on Sunday morning to go to mass at the right time. P S — I realise going to mass at the right time is not one of your problems seeing as you haven’t been to mass since you made your first holy communion unless it was going to a funeral!

Yep, get that John! But do think if Moyes is really insistent on him ‘getting minutes’ then it’s best to just do it from the off. Given what the tactics are likely to be.

22-10-26—7.40PM Dave #22-10-26—8-48am Saw that. Like the date/time idea.

22-10-26. 19-35 pm I just decided to put the date and time at the beginning of my post instead of the so many minutes or hours plus I like to keep things nice and tidy. By the way I’m not a grass but if I knew any good news about the way Toffeeweb was going to progress I’d be the first to announce this huge scoop to the whole wild waiting world!

Yes Michael. You can’t restrict PL clubs if European clubs don’t follow. There has to be some competition law that this infringes on, or supercedes PL rules if they are unfair. Clubs like Everton, Villa, Newcastle have to bridge the gap with “sporting performance” which should be the way to become competitive in any sport, but the clubs with already huge revenue are not punished for not performing on the pitch because their revenue continues to be huge, that’s where the rules don’t take the “sporting performance” into account, making it harder every year to break the monopoly.

Dave A my man… Why are your posts with full date and time, making me feel like there’s something afoot..Quite nervous lol…

Good to see posters understanding Norgaard’s situation. Bad to see that decision moving back Hackney’s development. I guess Moyes is rather uptight about finishing bottom-half of the table.

Ian. There could an opportunity to change the rules, but when you hear the IFR claiming that the “big 6” is not fixed, and you can get in there on “sporting performance”, I don’t think they fancy taking it on. The big clubs won’t want to change the rules, middle & lower teams don’t want to lose their spot in the PL so these rules also stop EFL clubs being able to compete and take their place in the PL . Vicious circle of greed !

Even if the Premier League clubs voted against SCR, that would still leave Uefa with their version to throttle down European aspirations.

The City case is bringing the PSR/SCR regs into the spotlight. The regs are not safeguarding financial viability of clubs, simply protecting the interests of a few. This is an opportunity to re write the rules and deliver a fairer playing field. Will it happen? I doubt it, the PL members club will once again fail to vote in change. Fans should then ask why. We collectively want our game back.

Thanks for bringing up a game that I am still scarred by Dave, and if you had read the posts by Jimmy and Christy, you would already have been aware of where most sensible people laid the blame for the introduction of Norgaard, last Saturday. Also make sure you put your clock back on Sunday morning if you want to stay up to date with the time!

In what other bussiness are competitors given a disadvantage to what they can invest in that bussiness? There’s 2 pubs next to each other both need investment, but if you buy 1 you can only invest 20k, buy the other, you can invest 200k, which 1 are you going to buy ? The SCR rules are going to reduce the number of people who want to invest, because they can’t invest anymore than allowed. The inequality to what mid table clubs can invest compared to the top few is vast, and as they allude to on the podcast, too big to make us competitive. Surely there’s some type of law that overrides this SCR/PSR ? Its anti competitive, gives a monopoly to the already established bigger clubs, stifling competition, ruining the aspirations of great clubs . If there was a way a rich investor could put his money in, we’d be snapped up, or TFG wouldn’t be selling .

The opinions sound like they have been formed after looking at the way the club, is currently operating. Surely this would change if we got owners with real ambition, although from a personal point of view, it would make me very happy if TSF, never made any real profit. Players wages are ridiculous Mark, completely off the scale and the main reason that so many clubs, don’t appear to be financially viable.

22-10-26 — 16-55pm. Not going off the point of Nørgaards debut but over forty years ago Glen Keeley made his debut and only game for Everton in a 5-0 loss to Liverpool at Goodison Park— Keeley wasn’t match fit and told Howard Kendall so before the match – Kendall told him he’d be okay— forty odd years later fans still complain about Keeley being a useless so and so of a player when Kendall was the real culprit— the moral if this story is don’t blame the player in the future blame the manager who selected him. I do know no-one has blamed Norgaard up to now except to say how embarrassing it was for the lad and those who watched him!

We expect nothing, no Everton goals, no points and no new Moyes strategies.. On the plus side upsets do happen and we live in hope. He has to at least start George and quite honestly I would play O’brien alongside him. Anyone except that plonker Barry. But he will start as usual with 4 at the back and 5 across the middle until Arsenal score and we know it’s game over.

We’re on a hiding to nothing. We’ll offer nothing and score nothing. We’ll get a good hiding

So these are opinions, which may be wrong, gleaned from other stuff I’ve read… – The real question is, will it be difficult to sell Everton for a handsome profit. The answer to that is yes, if it is sold to another with an investor mentality. Different if they find a trophy hunter to sell to. – I have no hopes at all for January. Unless we have slid down the league by then and it needs the emergency button pressed. – TFG are selling because they can’t see an adequate return for what still needs to be put in. In particular, they do not think the stadium is a game changer, P&L wise. – This sentiment has ramifications elsewhere. TFG got this stadium at a cut price having filleted Moshiri and 777 pretty comprehensively, maybe a 30-40% discount. Inflation means any new stadiums will cost more and won’t have a discount. How is anyone going to make this pay? Even Arsenal are loss making and shedding staff. Are players wages going to have to be restrained for the game to be sustainable?

And then he went to the other crew, and (one could think) found out -ironically against us, losing 2-0- that it’s not about that.

The coward has his knife and book of excuses ready. Same team. Rinse, repeat.

We witnessed firsthand the collapse of the site after the sale; it was also apparent that people were trying to guide the new site owners back in the right direction before it fell off a cliff. You should know people appreciate your efforts, Michael and Harry.

“Will Moyes have learned anything whatsoever from the last game?” .. We will see.

Agree Mark, stability in the context of Everton just means failure to improve. It has been cited by cynical owners for 30 years to dumb down expectations. It amazes me that some supporters still fall for it.

Apparently they’ve been playing this U17s Premier League Cup for the last six seasons, Dave. But the club doesn’t provide teamsheets, at least not consistently, and they are never listed at my other resource, the YouthHawk website, so they slip right under the radar. It’s a classic case where, if they hadn’t had such a stonking win, you wouldn’t have heard of them for dust and tumbleweed…

Michael, I think they were saying that whilst the stadium generates additional revenue, it’s also carrying a £30m per annum mortgage cost and Everton’s potential for substantial revenue increase is limited by local fan base. We need to see concerts and other stadium use asap. Neither believed the sale would generate the £1bn plus asking price because of EFC earnings limitations. Earnings limitation also restricts our SCR and hence ability to invest in squad. Like Newcastle even if we had the money to spend, the SCR regs mean we can’t. Note they were both amazed, given the decision to sell, that the squad has been left in its bare state. If we drop down league, then saleability gets tougher. Neither saw a quick sale.

I see whoever buys it will want that horrible word stability first of all. I therefore see Moyes getting a contract extension. So we are stuck with this dreadfully frustrating football for the foreseeable. Mid table, no cups, more refusal to rotate the squad fully and play footballers in their preferred positions. Watch TFG splash some cash in Jan to stop us tumbling down the table. They need an asset to sell to whoever comes in for us not a failing team. The footballing management side of Everton right now is a cluster fuck. Moyes, Kinnear, Hammond. The new 3 Stooges

The short version is, it wasn’t his fault the numpty manager threw him into a melting pot before he was remotely ready. I’m still looking forward to him playing when properly ready and fit. I think he will be an asset if used properly.

Can’t you not see the similarities between The Glaziers and Bill Kenwright, Ian? Success starts at the top and if your number one objective is to stay in charge and service the bills, then it won’t take the players long to cotton on, imo

Can see Moyes making big changes, playing Garner at fullback, O’Brien beside Branthwaite, Hackney in midfield, and George/Dibling on the right, and give Arsenal a rattle. Yeah and pig’s might fly!

Haha, yeah, kind of backfired on him

The arrogance of David Moyes, was perfectly encapsulated when he was talking about the fans booing the decision to sell Harrison Armstrong. Sometimes the fans are correct? The times have definitely changed because the knowledgeable Evertonians, I first encountered when I first started going to Goodison, wouldn’t have put up with David Moyes, for long and yet he’s now done close to 15 years. I think he was brought on for the reasons Jimmy Salt, gave us John. Been there before – I know your sort – All Mod Cons!

The bookies wont be able to split them