Except in the case of what we are paying Moyes, of course.

Pete I think a good majority of Everton fans will be behind Everton in the coming months as we have always done when the club is in trouble on the field which they will be under the current regime and although Moyes is not fully culpable he certainly hasn’t helped the way he uses the whole squad, a small one made worse by the lack of game time for a few of them who have the ability to improve the points total if used a lot more than they have been. It is a real concern about where we will finish and a very worrying time when it gets to January and who joins the playing staff then— they will be certainly needed.

Thanks Mark, Sometimes the view on the telly is clearer,although the camera follows the ball,you cant see off the ball runs being made. I`m home and away Blue for around 50 years,stopped going to aways years ago,apart from the odd close game,Manchester etc. I don`t enjoy the way we play being honest and give my ticket away twice this season,7 times last season. Sad but true. We are all Blues together at the end of the day

Absolutely agree, Bob. There has to be a balance of course and no manager would be right to ignor totally what the opponents can do. But think with Moyes it too often goes too far, and that’s the issue, isn’t it

No Everton player cost more than £40M.LIverpool have 13 over and above! You get what you pay for

You beat me to it john.

John i have never put anyone down because they dont go the match i ask because you see more live. You will remember in the 70s and 80s when we went the pub before and after the game and some lads sat in different parts of the ground and someone after the game would say so and so was good today and yet we all thought he was rubbish thats all i ask . UTFT keep the faith john

Pete. Branthwaite and Garner were at the club before Moyes returned

So pretty much the same shit show we had under Chairman Bill. So the question is ‘was the team better then than it is now?’

Maybe condescending is a better word Mark. Anyone who doesn`t go the game is not due an opinion according to your posts,as i said its not a good look. Everton are what they are and have been every day since Moyes returned,a timid defensive football team. Time will tell,i reckon we will be in the bottom 5 by Christmas. Just my opinion. Spurs will be above us at the weekend as well.

So what did the other managers after Martinez do wrong to turn us into a striker graveyard?

Mark, read Darren Hind’s post below yours. “This team CANNOT play any other way until Tarkowski is removed from it” He’ll tell you.

Helo john who have i insulted. Also do you not support Everton anymore all i see is you putting Everton down john . Everton are what they are they work hard and defend as good as any other team that is our strength but we will get much better and we will be much higher the 5th bottom .

It’s an inevitability that some players who have really shone in the past will have their quiet spells. It’s why Moyes has been struggling to get wins. Moyes is also stuck because his squad is so threadbare. If the news I have read is true that TFG won’t spend in January then the writing is on the wall. Moyes will go so to will garner, branthwaite and surely a couple of others because they moved to EFC to play for David Moyes. My guess, is TFG don’t care if Everton struggle to remain a PL club because I believe they think Moyes, will stay, and keep the club up. So the next question,, why would he stay ? No support, no players coming in. Any Everton fan that criticises Moyes needs to put themselves in his shoes. It’s a constant pressure cauldron. Who wants that…. So regardless what you feel about tactics etc forget the moaning and get behind Moyes and the team or you will be supporting a relegated side…….COYB

I would have a good bet that Bournemouth,Brighton and Brentford finish above us Steve. Far better all round sides than Everton. Mark,send TW a photo of you with your hands up in the air. Why do you think it fair game to insult posters posting their own opinions? Its not a good look.

Spurs wanted £35m for Richy, with a year left on his contract…. If only we could get him preferably on loan or for £7-8m at the very most, that would do it. Though we need reinforcement in other areas as well

Wow Steve they must be an amazing team Bournemouth. All these top players do you watch them all the time Steve. 10pts ahead of the mighty blues by Xmas i better have a bet on them to win the league if these lads are that good. Steve i was at Bournemouth last month i never seen anything special then . Sometimes in life Steve you have to hold your hands up and say i talk rubbish. Also i will watch out this weekend and if Leeds draw we will have a game in hand aswell.

Sign a new striker and Barry still starts every game. Same as Johnson. It’s the Moyes way. A goal scorer would stop scoring under that shit house. A striker grave yard since Lukaku.

John i thought that when i heard we where signing Merlin. But sadly john where stuck with him tillat least january when the window opens.

You have no idea what your saying . Read it i said bournemouth are below us i think is CORRECT. SO why are you bringing up goal difference. Then you bring up future fixtures dont see that in my post i think you need to put your glasses on and then go back to the CIRCUS with your mates

Clive no Everton fan can tell me that O Brien deserves to take Tarkowski place in the team . Unless i watch a different game i can’t place any blame on Tarky . So even though we would all love to see Branthwaite and O’Brien together thats in the future so Moyes has it right i believe.

You only have to look at Bournemouth at the weekend. They went straight for the throat of Utd because they knew they were fragile, compare that to us versus Chelsea who were also fragile with regards results and its night against day. This safety first mindset is killing us, get past Newcastle and it starts to get interesting, the big boys will then play strong teams as Wembley is within sight.

I agree Tony,all the best teams have a solid base foundation of defence. They also all have a willingness to get forward in numbers at a fast pace. Something Moyes does not possess,it doesnt enter his thinking process. We watch the result of this reluctance every week. I know i`m not educating you there mate btw.I`m sure you will agree.

I think that we definitely need a better striker than Barry, but I think we need to look at the whole team regarding goals as I dont believe a decent striker will solve all our problems. Irrespective of which team we pick the lack of goals throughout the team is poor, now is that a tactical problem or an individual problem. Lets just forget about Barry it doesnt matter who the other 2 wide players are their goal returns are poor, Grealish scored 2 last year and 1 was a defender trying to clear and it hit Grealish and went in, Johnson hasnt scored in any of his last 26 games for us or Palace. George has scored 1 and Dibbling is yet to open his account although h ehasnt started many games in the season and a half he has been here. KDH is our only goal scoring midfielder as Armstrong and Garner never get in the opponents box never mind score. Also our defenders dont chip in with many goals. So is it the tactics or the players that gives us such a poor goal return.

Per below – in what way has Frank Lampard achieved “way more” than Andrews in his managerial career? Brentford were widely predicted to get relegated once Thomas Frank left, instead he has got them in contention for Europe. Lampard took us to 19th and was binned.

Or even geared to scoring more than the opposition Tony?

Hi Tony, while preventing goals is important, I don’t believe that 38 goalless draws would be enough to avoid relegation.

Depends where we are sat come January. I think doing nothing would be their preference but it might not be an option. As many TFG backers told us last year, January not a good time for business.

They have a good recruitment team who invest well. Know what they’re doing.

Agree with all of that Bob. We look like we have no strategy,no balance and no shape. We pass back and square as first options,when they should be 2nd and 3rd options.

You forgot Tavernier Steve mate. I would kill to swap him with KDH. And Scott compared. to the woeful Garner this season. And two – YES TWO – proper full backs.

Football should always be geared towards preventing your opponent scoring a goal, imo Rocco. It shouldn’t drain your strength and energy and I don’t think it does for defensive minded teams, who know what they’re going to do when they do get the ball?

Patric, I can go along with much of what you have written. Absolutely, we should concentrate on our strengths (and potential strengths if we utilise the youngsters). But to not also concentrate on our opponents strengths IMO would be a mistake. I’ve heard it said often, build your strategy on creating a strong reliable defence and add a sharp positive attack with options (not just down the right, not just down the left and not just down the middle. Balancing the lot with a midfield with a blend of speed, strength (tackling), ‘nouse’ and positivity (ie looking to go forward rather than always looking to pass back). SIMPLES! yes/ know! I suppose this means teamwork within the group of Manager, coaching staff, scouting and transfer in/out personnel etc, supported fully by the MD and owners. Sorry to go on but it seams like the company, Everton, have none of this teamwork in place yet!

Agree JC mate

Teddy Bertin 28 mins ago. Who would you blame?

O`Brien has been treated very badly by Moyes. He has willingly sacrificed his own game for the good of the team by manfully holding the right back fort. We all know what Jake cant do, but He has never really been given credit for what he can and has done. He was perfectly entitled to ask for a run in his natural position at some stage and was entitled to a quiet explanation telling him what he needs to do. By freezing him out and then going public with his reasons. Moyes merely shows what a small man he is. Meanwhile; Whipping boy Keane hasnt been at the scene of the crime as we continue to ship goals every week. Jake played well, Branthwaite has been ill-used and is now injured………Yet the common denominator in this car crash of a defence continues to escape criticism. This team CANNOT play any other way until Tarkowski is removed from it

Yeah this is the problem with fans having a big voice. Talking about managers who “seem” to be decent and have worked under very different conditions to the one at Everton. We’d be fighting a relegation battle with both of them. Frank Lampard has already achieved more than both of these managers and look where we were with him. Cov were way better than Ipswich last year and Andrew’s has had one season as a manager. Not one good season: one season at an incredibly well run club. Stop blaming the manager for the shit show that is Everton.

I know this is lighthearted Nigel, but I’ll bet you a virtual pint Man U finish above us.

As will at least 14 other clubs on current form Paul. Id take 5th from bottom now. Hopefully we buy in January,otherwise its a lower finish than last season.

Villa paid £47.5 million for Jackson and we were going to pay £40 million for whatshisname Bologon? Hmmm By the way Jackson will in my opinion score 20 goals. He’s mustard since Emery has been managing him.

Its a temporary fix mate. Look, dont get me wrong, he would probably come in and do well. But that isnt taking the club to where we want it in the medium / long term. Probably the same with grealish. There are players out there, whos stock is rising, and will be a better answer than Richi. We cant keep looking back. If theres a difference between Everton vs Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford, it’s that. Sell Semenyo, buy Rayan. Theres a plan that looks forward. Selling beto for richi, ndiaye for Grealish, isn’t a 3 Bs plan.

Ian, Richalison is out of options. We showed interest in the summer when he thought he would get other or ‘better’ offers. He also thought he would get the bonus/loyalty payment as a parting gift from Spurs. Instead he’s been stuck in the reserves. Even a loan deal would suit both parties. He’s getting a fresh start, we’re getting a decent player who won’t cost an arm and a leg. While his match fitness may not be 100%, he’s rested, which means any injury concerns would be allayed.

I know it’s a revolutionary idea Mark, but maybe read the article properly. Your post is not even related to the points Patric was making.

Junior Kroupi back from long-term injury to partner Rayan and Evanilson. Bournemouth won’t be below us in the league after the weekend, and by Xmas their be 10 points ahead of us.

And if my granny had wheels she’d be a bike. Coulda, shoulda, woulda…didn’t.

Moyes is 63 not 65 Mr. Steers. It matters to get things right. Otherwise, Heaven forbid, it might make some think that your posts are erm not to be trusted. Bournemouth are one point behind us Mr. Steers with the same goal difference. One. They have a nice run of fixtures coming up and their current league form is much better than ours (not to mention crushing AC Milan). In fact, it’s quite the reverse: Bournemouth 2 wins; us 2 defeats. Bournemouth’s first XI is stronger than ours, greater balance, greater depth, no square pegs. Sadly, I predict with some confidence that Bournemouth will be looking down the table at us come end of day May 30.

Going back 15 yrs to his first spell, there was a belief…amongst some, but not all…that we had a decent team if only Moyes would let them play a bit – Die Handbremse lösen. Nothing, including Moyes, has changed. I’ll use that Mice, Mause, Moyes thing if I may – very apt.

Actually, I didn’t do anything at all… Something must have gone wrong beforehand. Since I fear that my poor English might potentially trigger World War III, I always write in German and then have it translated

Whatever you did with this post fixed the German title thing.

Some seem to think they can.