I agree Christy. I think Carsley would play George, Hackney & Dibling Tactically much better than Moyes, although that isn’t hard

Not sure how Armstrong was outstanding or Garner back to form Jay. They ran a lot but not much else. Both left huge spaces in the middle of the pitch throughout the game. Neither had the attacking intent nor skill that Hackney had when he came on late. Clearly Moyes wants two grafters in the side until Norgaard is ready.

Yes true Ian but surely he’ll make some changes to improve us— there are players in that squad who can— then again they’ll be game rusty from sitting on the bench like the game v Wolves in the competition last season!

Supporting Everton is like our increasingly misplaced loyalty to TW. Both increasingly frustrating, a shadow of the past and the owners of each appear not to give a shit anymore. Fully expect this post to crop up on Bet 365 customer feedback or somewhere equally bizarre and our new owners, if we get any, to determine our transfer kitty on the result at the 2.45 at Ascot. Sometimes our collective blindness (v much including myself sadly) is just plain silly and we are like the kids we were decades ago. Inherited Blueness but still as naive under an inherited mantra of loyalty. Word is, if you consistently smack your head against a wall, it makes sense to stop eventually.

I am philosophical about this one. While we continue to carry Barry and Johnson up front nothing sticks and we immediately come under pressure. Armstrong outstanding and Jimmy Garner back to form. Good showing by Rohl at RB and JOB at CB considering all the pressure we were under. Didn’t expect much today and got what I expected. Hope for a much better showing against Newcastle.

Ian. Definitely weaker. Ndiaye or Johnson? Beto or the invisible man ? Gana or norgard? Too soon to judge ? We are in for a long slog this year.

People thought we were doing great , but who did we beat ? Palace & Ipswich, struggled in all the other games. It’s clear to me we are going going to struggle. Yes moyes was left with a thin squad, but he’s part of that transfer “committee” he contributed. He can’t just say “nothing to do with me!” Would balogun make that much difference? We’ll never know, but he alone wouldn’t solve all our problems. 1Rb , 1LB & 1 CF . The RB has been demoted after 4-5 games. The LBs now gone off injured. The CF is not experienced or good enough to play every minute of every game, you can already see his levels dropping from the start of the season. This should have been a year to kick on, but they’ve set us back a few years.

Don’t expect our strongest team in the Cup..lower priority for Davey…

We did get the Sunderland goalie

Getting bored off Moyes need a change depressing . At least have a go good football something different plan b but no same old . Waste of time watching.

We’re 6 points off bottom

moyes wants to be fired and a nice payoff

Stop going on about Baines Lescott and Cahill different era. Lifetime ago gets on my tits with his shite, the aforementioned 3 didnt win an argument so dont make out like they were special, because they weren’t. Dinosaur of a man just leave.

Dickhead

How the hell did we get beat so easily by Chelsea last week, they’re dreadful

Sean what do you think that any player would join this club, we are an embarrassment.

Spot on Dave, but I’m still livid how Johnson was only subbed in the 72minute, after going 2-0 down, and Alcaraz on in the 85th, absolutely clueless by Moyes yet again.

Wanker

Whos Johnstone

Moyes starting and leaving Johnson on, until we went 2-0 down, that’s Moyes in a nutshell, crap.

Spurs the lost cause of a few weeks ago will finish above us.

Palmer and Rodgers should have been two straight reds, and the same last week against us?

Pete, Pickford at fault for the first goal definitely 3/10

2-0 to Spurs now!

Same old same old from Moyes. A complete dinosaur. I think he must read the comments on here and play the same players, ignoring youth, just to wind us up Once injuries start to take their toll, and the Scroogekins spend sweet FA in January, we will.continue to drop faster a lead balloon

Mykolenko- he kept Madueke quiet most of the game. Worrying to see him get injured. Pickford – mehhh. He hasn’t shown his best form this season yet. The substitutes – Moyes as usual left it too late. But Hackney, Dibling when they came on visibly injected some urgency to our play. In fact, they were involved in some of the most slick passing moves that started to concern the Arsenal crowd. Alcaraz had too little time to effect the game. More than blaming Moyes, this game just showed how badly the owners have let down this club with their disastrous summer. Imagine if we could have played Ndiaye instead of Johnson. It would have been a proper XI vs XI.

Yup John….

Did they include the three stupid fouls he gave away John?

Tony A. No option to reply to your post. 100% correct. Hackney first thought when he gets possession, is there a forward pass on. Moyes doesn’t like that,he much refers us to keep the shape.

Ran no stop? Watched him off ball for a bit.Runs to keep away from play seems to me and will win another long ball from behind an opposition player. Under11s? Pressing? Too hard. And our tactics are no cross to this 7ft numpty. After thought, can see why.

Agree. Also Ndiaye and Gana have been replaced by worse in Johnson and Noorgard

Not convinced by Eddie Howe!! He got the mutants into the champions league and won the league cup!!! LORD HAVE MERCY!! We not exactly going to get Zidane or Pep are we!! Carsley over Howe?? What a funny old game this is, I respect your opinion as that’s what football is all about but my oh my. I’ve heard it all now… and Howe is a life long Everton supporter!

Good work by Ped dialling into the Soccer Saturday FAN ZONE on Sky Sports just now. Well said Ped

I thought we could hope for a draw but too much for a win and that’s how it turned out so it’s no use criticising the performance at the moment when we play the top teams but just concentrate on the good points— there wasn’t many to be honest but Harrison Armstrong showed his huge potential today for me up and down the field and the more he plays the more he will improve, Rhol had a better than average game in a position he’s only minding and Tarkowski had another good game while O’Brien couldn’t be criticised because he is still rusty after being on the bench mostly although Hackney in his few minutes proved he deserves more game time along with Dibling . Who will the manager pick next Thursday and Sunday – – two games in four days and both important even at this early stage of the season.

George – was very lively and looked confident the whole game. Was unlucky that his attempted curler took a touch off the defender’s knee for a corner Dewsbury-Hall – took some poor corners, but came the closest to scoring Armstrong – another classy performance by him. In fact, he went toe to toe with Declan Rice and didn’t come away looking any inferior. Garner – put in a battling performance Rohl – I thought was excellent at RB, really composed performance and didn’t look out of place Tarkowski and O’ Brien should have probably done better trot the goals they conceded, but when you are under such constant pressure all game, 2 errors are to be expected?

The owners are crap but I doubt they are willing to commit to anything long term, which makes me think our negative, self centred manager, will be seething and this will explain why we are just going through the motions. We have got some good players, imo, but we are incredibly/unfathomably short at centre forward.

Crap match result expected only matched by the layout on this forum. For gods sake what has happened to the Everton of old and the Toffeeweb of old. Is there someone drunk at the wheel of both parties.

Although I like a moan at Moyes as much as the next Toffee, the reality today was that their starting XI had far better quality than ours. Johnson was really bad, Barry was not much better but he at least was getting involved. Their goal came from a lucky break from a corner, whereas we had a similar goal moth melee from our corner but the ball didn’t fall kindly to any of our players. My player ratings: Barry – should have done better with the chance that fell his way from the Arsenal defender’s mistake. Other than that, I thought he put himself about and ran non-stop. I feel rather sorry for him because last season, at least he had Beto to take on some work load. Now, he is all alone and the spotlight is shining on him, almost blinding him. Johnson – really poor showing. Moyes should really put him out of his misery and play someone else, anyone.

Two more goals conceded from balls into the 6 yard box. We have the least commanding keeper in the league (and one of the shortest ) and we conceded from crosses into the 6 yard box almost every week!!! He makes great saves because we stay under pressure from Jordan’s lack of dominance. If he collected balls and took the sting out the game then he wouldn’t need to make so many saves from the ball being recycled around our box. Balls into the 6 yard box should be the goalies. End of!!! I wish someone would offer us big money for him, there I said it… he’s the common denominator thru all the managers and shite we’ve been through. We stay under pressure because he never collects crosses or commands the box!!! Tried to flap the first goal over the bar with the back of his hand instead of being dominant and just getting it away!! It was a carbon copy of the derby Origi debacle years ago!! He doesn’t learn!!! Give me a 6’6” dominant giant any day of the week! Get the Sunderland goalie in!!!

Listening to Pembridge, talking before the game about how Johnson, has really improved his defensive game, since his debut at Bournemouth, when he was unwilling to track back, and now he knows what you have got to do if you want to play for Everton, just before the game, had me shaking my head Philip, and then at the start of the second half, the commentator said, Brennan Johnson, only got six touches of the ball during the first half. I know the game was gone, but how much better did we look towards the end when Garner, went to fullback, and Hackney, came on and played midfield, alongside Alkaraz, and Dibling?

Matches our performance today Martin

Have you got any messages for the supporters, David, because I’m genuinely running out of patience with regards watching your boring Everton team, sucking the fucking life out of me

I want Armstrong to succeed, but I wouldn’t say he’s made the most of the opportunities afforded him. As it stands, we’ll have no trouble keeping hold of him.

Arteta makes 3 changes, and straight away they score their 2nd goal, and our conservative and clueless manager then decides to make one change, unbelievable. Can we bring in Lee Carsley now, I’m not convinced by Eddie Howe?

This thread is all over the place, very very off-putting….

correctamundo john – did’nt expect anything else…listened on radio merseyside with mark boring pembridge co-commentating . amazing is’nt it people still think moyes is doing a great job and there is no crisis at the club at all !

We’re a club of 3 craps, crap owners crap manager and a lot of crap players, I really think this could be the season it’s goodnight Vienna 😴

Danny. I’d take 43 points now mate

Looking at the remaining fixtures this year, got to be looking at 3 points from Coventry, Fulham and Sunderland, a point at Forest and the odd point elsewhere. 22 points at half way stage. Don’t see TFG investing a penny (including loans) in Jan. We’ll need eek out points along the way. Gonna be a slog.

I did thanks Jimmy