Eric, I’m like a scratched record, I can’t reply to you below the answer you have gave me mate because it hasn’t got a reply button, but the difference between the offside decision in Rugby Union and football, is that the referee never has the final say, until yesterday!

Some would still blame Hibbert if they could.

Thanks for those replies Steve and Ian, but I can only reply to my own post because of the way this website, is currently set up. I have never seen a defender deliberately clear the ball to an opposing player standing seven yards from his goal Ian, and as for subjective rather than factual, then what a load of shite that ex referee is uttering Ian. If you’re offside, you’re offside, and normally they show us lines to vindicate the decision. So the official in the VAR room, has decided Johnson is offside, but has left it up to the on field referee because the offside was subjective? They make it up as they go along and are seemingly even getting praise off their mates now. It’s a complete circus, and the clowns are treating the audience like clowns!

We will know where we stand after the Chelsea game Dave. First decent team we have played

I think you are correct Gerard— Moyes rants away to Irvine, his assistant, who never talks back to him as if to say “ The stubborn xxxxxxx never listens anyway” and surely the players must think and say the same when they talk to each other—- that’s when they are not praising him to the media!

Brendan we’ve still only won two games in the league and drew the other four all against teams that are struggling and hardly won a game between them, don’t get too excited Brendan!

I think the biggest problem Derek is that we don’t have enough round pegs to go in those round holes. Squad depth is a huge challenge for us at the moment. Myko’s injury (and Röhl’s ongoing recovery) pretty much change everything for us defensively. TBF to the defenders that played yesterday, if it hadn’t been for two AMN screw-ups, they probably would’ve helped us secure another clean sheet and an away win.

Yep! I think the worst thing is how long these reviews take. There should be a time limit of 1 minute. If they can’t come to a definitive conclusion after 60 seconds then it stays with the on-field decision.

Eric — from 4 hours ago — Why have you left Mykolenko out of the blamed gang ?

What I learned is that we have a striker (our only striker) who works very hard but has an appalling conversion rate. Even after conceding two goals, with the chances Barry had, we should’ve won easily. We also have a right-back who defends well for long periods of the game and gets forward with real gusto but is prone to mindless errors which undo his otherwise good work. KDH seemed to rediscover the form he showed for most of last season which is a huge plus, and Garner looked sharper than he has of late too. We obviously missed Myko, who’s been fantastic in the last few games. Hopefully his Lazarus-like powers of recovery mean he’s back for Chelsea on Saturday. I know many complain that Grealish slows things down and doesn’t release the ball quickly enough but his sheer skill and ability to draw fouls offset those weaknesses IMHO. Onwards and upwards and UTFT!!

I think that the reason the ref goes to the monitor is that he needs to decide if the defender has deliberately cleared it to Johnson or it was just a block, which he decided it was and therefore Johnson is offside.

Frustrations aside, we should easily have won that game. Playing devil’s advocate, (first watched my beloved blues in 1962) Let’s say dithering Dave is incapacitated for several weeks and the running of the team falls to the backroom staff and senior players….do you think the football and results would improve? My personal opinion is that it would as the shackles imposed by Moyes would be lifted. The players allowed to play with freedom and being able to express themselves without the laser like glare of the manager lambasting them for playing football and not the safety at all costs football demanded by him. There is a lot of good young talent in this small but highly capable squad just waiting to be allowed to play and not feeling cowered by an ageing manager with tactics from bygone years.

It’s more of a prescription site these days Derek!

Can we have a vote on whether to go back to the old format as I believe it will be a resounding yes.

I`ll go anywhere for a chat/debate/argument about Everton, but I`m struggling to stay interested in the comments on TW at the moment because they are all over the place. Not sure it would take much fixing either

Reading the newspapers reaction to thier favourite team receiving a good hiding. I reckon City will get away with long jail sentences although the death penalty could come into calculations given the national uproar.

Brent persevere mate and see how it goes- I know you are a patient man.

We wont go down and we wont be playing European football next season. Thats what l learned from yesterday

Say what you like about City and their cheating off the pitch, although every team cheats on the pitch— that third City goal was a Brazilian one at their peak, absolutely marvellous to see.

I think it’s harsh on Johnson to blame him entirely for his lack of involvement in the first half. His team mates were choosing to send pretty much everything down the left flank as far as I could see. Similarly harsh to only blame Maitland-Niles for their goals when both involved a series of errors that helped them to happen. His errors were simply the most glaring. I think Hayden Hackney is being severely under used (he’s not the only one but as a targeted signing it seems like disjointed planning). He offers something that bit different and I don’t think Jimmy G or KDH have really hit their marks so far this season (although both improved second half yesterday).

Sorry but this updated site isn’t showing posts consistently. It’s abysmal. I’m hardly on here now. And this post will probably disappear into the ether.

Derek if Grealish finds that proper partner who he can’t play without I think it would be fair if he gives that partner half of the outrageous wages he is on.

Ian if you think Everton have a chance of Champions League football I’d wait until we’ve played better teams than we have and also see what recroupment happens in January. We’ve won two league games up to now, both at home, and drew the other four all against teams who are struggling at the moment and we don’t look very good ourselves being honest.

What a a-hole comment Mr. Woods

Ambition and recruited well-these 2 things haven’t applied to everton for a long time ! Being realistic we are currently in a false league position.

I do, and did feel before the season started that with all the manager changes this season, it could be a year where there’s a few of the usual top 6 out of contention. It’s early days still, but games like yesterday need to be put to bed . Another goal yesterday at 2-1 would have killed it, we sat back on a 1 goal advantage and got punished for stupid mistakes. Teams who will finish in them top 6 places, will be the teams who go for that 3rd goal, not sit back. I’d rather lose 2 points going for the 3rd goal than draw after giving up the initiative. I know managers can’t win, if we lose going for it at 2-1 he gets stick for not shutting up shop, and lose sitting back and you still get stick. Just think we look better going at teams quicker with intent, and I know how I’d personally prefer to draw a game . Trying !!

Hull will be relegated and will then sign Johnson and AMD. I’m off Toffeeweb now unless it reverts to its previous format.

Wasn’t O’Brien with us under Dyche?

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Obviously not his dream back four Jeff, otherwise he would have played it don’t you think.

It’ll be a good selling point for TFGs prospectus Laurie. Proven Premier League manager (three times Manager of the Season) taking the club into the riches of European football. Roll up, roll up, form an orderly queue.

When Tarkowski and Keane play together we also gain more points.

“you have to credit David Moyes for that” No,no,no Ajay, this is Tofeeweb, Moyes never gets credit for anything.

We learnt that the league is wide open for champions league football. City will be punished, spurs & united are miles off it, Liverpool dont look right. Villa lack depth to cover champions league & Premier league due shit regulatory rules. Arsenal and Chelsea will be there, but then it is open for a side with a bit of ambition that has recruited well. Should be everton, but more likely Brentford & Brighton. Decent league position, but tfg pulling up the drawbridge looks a costly decision.

Tony, I can only think of the same situation in Rugby Union Tony. The referee has the final say. Their version of VAR can recommend the referee look at something, or he can request a review himself, but the final decision is with the referee. In football I think this premise that VAR is for “a clear and obvious error” puts doubt into the referees minds and they have to accept the decision of their bosses that they are at fault. I would rather have the RU version where the ref has the balls to say ‘I make the call’ whether that’s right or wrong.

I can only think of the same situation in Rugby Union Tony. The referee has the final say. Their version of VAR can recommend the referee look at something, or he can request a review himself, but the final decision is with the referee. In football I think this premise that VAR is for “a clear and obvious error” puts doubt into the referees minds and they have to accept the decision of their bosses that they are at fault. I would rather have the RU version where the ref has the balls to say ‘I make the call’ whether that’s right or wrong.

“The entire VAR process was labelled “excellent” by former Premier League official Darren Cann, who reserved special praise for VAR Tim Wood for instructing Salisbury to go to the pitchside monitor”. “Brennan Johnson was in an offside position when the shot came in from Harrison Armstrong. Johnson then challenged Hull City’s Ryan Giles and therefore in law was interfering with an opponent,” Cann told BBC Sport. “An excellent and correct intervention from VAR Tim Wood, who was also right to instruct referee Michael Salisbury to go to the monitor as this was a subjective offside decision, rather a factual one.” That’s the official line. I think because he comes together with the 2nd defender, rather than just stood there, is the reason he is given offside. But that wasnt the reason we played poorly. What needed to happen yesterday at 2-1, was to match up formations and keep the shape. Their wing backs were causing an overload advantage, and we looked like we would concede more.

After all these years on TW Mike you should know the rules by now. Any time Tarkowski and Keane are played together they will ALWAYS be blamed for everything that happens on the pitch, regardless. And Moyes too of course.

If Johnson was technically offside then it was the correct decision Ian, but like I asked last night, why did the referee actually go to the monitor to check if the goal was offside? To the best of my knowledge this doesn’t really happen, and thinking about things logically, why do they need VAR rooms and all the technology, if they are leaving it up to the referee to make the call? Just put a television on the side of the pitch and give both teams two calls, like in tennis, and fuck the rest of the pantomime off.

Tedious, unnecessary, utterly out of synch, horrible to go backwards and forwards. We have yet to be told why this was done.

He won”t be Ian – he will get a one year extension.

Two of us stopped us from winning that match. AMN: brilliant delivery for KDH’s goal but completely at fault for both Hull goals. And Barry: how many chances does he miss, including an absolute sitter? Y Yeah PG you twat, but he scored and he gets himself into good positions. He gets himself into good positions and more often than not misses.

VAR is killing the enjoyment in football, when the disallowed goal went in i didn’t cheer, just waited for it to go to VAR.

We should not be surprised, when ruthless American businessmen start behaving like ruthless American businessmen!

Two very poor goals. Barry miss was shocking. But in the not too distant past we would have lost that. In 5th so can’t complain.

Well, I just learned that even if Maitland-Niles gives away two goals in 26 minutes with the EXACT SAME brainless blunder — a needless blind backheel — Tarks and Keane get the blame from Patric. If there was any secondary blame to that of AMN, it should be shared by Branthwaite (too easily beaten on the first goal) and Armstrong (who needlessly gave the ball away just prior to the second). How Keane and Tarks figure in is beyond me. But hey, in all of English League football, across all four divisions, there are only two clubs that are still unbeaten in all competitions this season. And one of ’em is Everton. That’s cool.

Moyes?

If he hasn’t lost it by now mate…and he hasn’t – he never will

And now it appears there’s a word limit to stop a person in mid fuckin rant

What we learned? Short version; Moyes will be Moyes. Did Pickford have a serious shot to save and yet still conceded 2 AMN wonder goals not withstanding we still don’t have a decent RB Branthwaite is playing with(in) his injury still and while he can up to a point get away with that at CB it makes him useless as any type of FB. Especially with Grealish infront of him who needs runners over and under lapping for him to the two things he’s good at…holding the ball and laying it off. He needs somebody similar to the Hull No.2 who was up and down busy all the Game – which rules out Branthwaite with his hammer. Grealish is a luxury and a wasted luxury without a proper partner. Johnson though, wtf! did ‘absolutely nothing’ except score and even then it didn’t count. Then we come to Barry; played terrible and scored a Blinder. All of the above in some way or another is a function of how Moyes sets up his 11. It appears we still have Sq pegs in round holes, playing favourites – and now I