Pretty amazing spin in the press on this years accounts ? didn't recognise the numbers and reports on sky as the same thing!
I have prepared my own summary and submitted it in prortable document format (pdf) that should open or download when you click this link: EFC Accounts 2010
I'd be glad to answer any questions you have on the accounts in this thread.
Joe
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It is easy to cry Sack the Board, Sack the Manager, bemoan why we didn't buy player X or Y, but as is clear from your analysis, the club is trying to punch above it's financial weight and without a sugar daddy, or massive over-achievement on the field (such as managing to bag the extra bunce that winning the Prem or getting on the CL gravy train would give us), there is no easy choice to me made to get us in better financial and footballing health.
If we were offered £8 mill for Saha then one could say we should have got the cash and invested elsewhere to replace with a younger striker. However, would he have it the ground running? Saha has hardly set the world alight consistently for us despite his great game and goal glut at the weekend. However, if he has the kind of finish to the season that Super Kevin Campbell did when he first came from Trabsonspur, then maybe Moyes's faith in him was vindicated.
If no suitable buyer is on the horizon, it seems clear the team needs to get back to hitting the heights we know they can, finish strongly this year, and take next season by storm from start to finish. That was of course the hope at the start of this season, and with only 2 losses in the last 24 games of last season there was reason for that optimism.
Being an Evertonian means it's very unlikely that we won't be let down again on the performance on the pitch front though. But as ever, here's hoping anyway. COYB!
Of more immediate concern is the continuing rise in short term creditors to a huge figure. This is presumably why rumours of administration surfaced. It shows an unsustainable business model.
Regretfully, unless we find a generous investor, the only solution will be to sell Jags or Rodwell in the summer to give us another 2 years breathing space. And a shared stadium is also the only sensible way forward.
One other solution for BK to consider is to offer 30,000 shares at 1000 pounds each to supporters, hence raising the 30 million we need to become solvent. Problem solved.
Of course, BK' s holding would be diluted. But Bill as an Evertonian, does that matter if we then become solvent and truly become a People's Club owned by loyal supporters not foreign speculators?
After depreciation, they are now valued at ONLY £6.8 million. This is based on a valuation performed in 1999. Although no property expert (are there any on this forum?), I would expect the current value is significantly more, even allowing for the recent credit crunch effect.
One wonders why the Board have chosen not to reflect a higher realistic valuation in the accounts? This could have reduced the net liability figure significantly.
A question for the AGM?
It puts all the negatives into perspective ? things really are not that bad, assuming we keep Barrclays Bank on our side.
Dubious about the figures quoted for some of our players, Saha £8 million? Too old and too fragile for £1 million; Arteta is nearer £10 million than £20 million; Rodwell has not progressed as one would have hoped, and £20 million may be optimistic; Fellaini, in all honesty I doubt if he'd realise anything like £25 million. Plus here's the factor, if you know a club is desperate for money, then other clubs offer a much lower valuation for their players, as happened with Portsmouth.
Paul Carr's idea is excellent and idealistic, I for one can't see our beloved chairman, diluting his assets in this way.
Joe, thanks for putting this in layman's terms as you did at an EFC Shareholders Association Forum approx 6 years ago and then you said we couldn't afford to pay EFC players who were England Internationals and warned of the dangers that lied ahead. Some people in the room didn't believe the situation that evening and had a go at you but the writing has been on the wall for a long time, just that some people choose not to read.Time now 20,000 or more Evertonians now need to get behind Trust Everton group and have the ground redevelopment plan to bring the Board of EFC and the fans together as one, stay at Goodison and let's build it back up for the generations to come.
We call ourselves the People's Club then lets show that we are and all come together. We need vision and leadership now with a way forward together.
Next KEY date is Feb 28th when the large overdraft facility is up for renewal. Hope we are still in the cup and outside of the relegation zone by then and that the bank manager is an Evertonian!
Everyone will now realise why we spent nothing in the January transfer window.
Don't forget that both Man City and Chelsea have bottomless pots of gold which will keep prices high for in-demand quality players.
Somebody once wrote on here an article concerning the growth of supermarkets and compared the footballing success in the past 20 years to that of Tesco. Given our perrilous state we are now trading like a Victor Value operation, i.e shabby premises, lack of clout, no sense of direction or long-term to medium-term strategy.
Expect Rodwell, Fellaini gone in the Summer to pay the bills.
Points for me: Is the Bellefield cash already going to creditors or will moyes see a small part? I think Moyes does need to wheel and deal a lot more ? we have success of selling well and buying players with something to prove. This is negative but Wenger has done the same and made a solvent and sustainable team that probably could and should take more risk.
Commercially we are a joke with too many short-term deals that generate jot. A rich man with vision could do a lot.
1) We have some financial challenges but these should not be terminal;2) We should not (in financial terms) be able to buy any significant players without first selling;3) We may have to sell to ensure meeting our liabilities;4) BK may have faults but is not raping us.So... not good... but at least we should have a team we can carry on and support.So to look at the question of why people invest. If we assume that there is neither a billionaire blue out there, nor an egotist billionaire that just wants the prestige of owning a top flight club, so we look at purely financial reasons. To simplify, there are three reasons for a financial investment:
a) the profits of the company over a period of time, say 10 years, are more than the net investment price, taking account of the liabilities taken on and the tax effects;
b) The company can be sold at a future date for a greater amount than the investment, which assumes the acquirer can then do a) or b); or c) Asset strip, which basically means the balance sheet is undervalued and by selling the players this will be greater than the the net investment.
So, if we discount c), what will an investor be looking for? Basically that they can increase the revenue, which may mean investing more in players to get Champions League money etc but also fundamentally by being able to increase commercial revenue by increasing sponsorship and new territory revenue etc.
For example, an Indian billionaire may think that by marketing into an Indian market can generate significant revenues not currently available etc, ie, the investor can open new markets or is better commercially than the current team.
So fundamentally the investor would think that the team and manager are not far off from being successful so not needing a massive cash injection and that the brand can be commercial.I will let you debate it but my view is that we do have value both in terms of team and fanbase that would be attractive to an investor.
Expect him to join the board and perhaps invest.
#4 Peter summarises really well what Evertonians need to do between now and the end of the season because it?s the only positive option.
#6 David ? I too think I?m a realist; I fear however that we lost our status at the top table in the early nineties.
#7 I share Greg?s expectations for the end of the season but disagree with UEFA trying to create a level playing field. For me, Arsenal have pursued the best business strategy since the early nineties and I totally respect and support Wenger?s approach to a salary cap and transfers. I don?t like what Chelsea stand for. One is winning trophies but thankfully football is not all about winning trophies because if it was the other 88 clubs in England would give up!
#10 Jeff ? LOL!
#11 Ajay ? I share your sentiments but don?t be surprised if Moyes eventually gets the chance he has earned to manage a club with resources. There is also a large section of Everton support that don?t appreciate what he?s achieved in the last nine years and would welcome him gone.
#12 Andrew has neatly summed up the real issue which is the challenge of moving our £29m internally generated figure up by a huge percentage just to break even. Player trading seems to be the only way through.
#13 Aodhan raises the question of what the club is worth. Normally companies in the leisure sector are bought and sold by a multiple of the cash profit they generate. If you had £100 million you could put it in the bank or buy a business. To compensate you for the risk you?d want a minimum 10% return on your capital (£10m per year). Put another way the company would need to be generating £10m trading profit every year just to cover your dividend so a multiple of 10 times earnings is applied. In the UK at the moment multiples are dropping to nearer 6 times earnings in leisure.
Many people posting have rightly pointed out the value of the squad ? but this is working capital ? to be in the Premier League you have to have quality players so they are only realizable assets if the company is wound up.
If I had £100m I would still only pay £1 maximum for Everton in return for taking on and paying off the debt. I?d also realise that a minimum £50m would need to be invested in the squad and infrastructure so a £100m investment would quickly be swallowed up. The problem is that the current owners have put in millions of their own money and will want compensating so you can guess why so many potential buyers have been put off.
#14 THEREFORE Liam, the short answer is that if £100m sale price is indeed being touted then I would say there?s as much chance of us being sold as there was us having the money to move to a new stadium that Tesco were building us as the deal of the century.
#16 (Paul) #23 Peter ? the standard way the auditors want this valued is as the realistic realisable value if the business stopped trading. As there is little demand for 40,000 seat stadia outside of the 2 Merseyside football clubs then it would be safe to assume that the value is in the footprint of the land for a new supermarket or leisure complex.
It?s different to a new build ? If you build a new stadium for £300m then you would might depreciate it over the expected useful life of the asset (£10m a year for 30 year) assuming the business continues to trade. It would show in the balance sheet as an asset of £290m after one year, £280m after 2 years and so on. Goodison Park has had many years to be written down and the value reflects how little has been spent in the last 20 years.
Ultimately valuation is a matter of opinion, but I think the banking world has changed for ever in terms of now being prudent and sensible on these matters.
#18 Totally agree with Kev ? I think that this story could certainly be told another way as fundamentally the P&L shows a business which is consistently making losses and appears to be out of financial control.
Carroll would have been in Newcastle?s books at zero and so is a wonderful exceptional profit. As a business model (i.e. expecting to do this type of deal every 3 ye
#21 Peter ? they will be in the books at zero but as Peter Carr rightly pointed out, the balance sheet is much less important than the cash flow and trading profit which are the real issue for management.
#24 Kunai ? It?s important to differentiate the effect transfers have on the balance sheet, P&L and cash flow.
A player signed for £10m on a 5 year contract is amortised at £2m per year over the 5 years. The P&L is charged £2m per year and this is the line ?Amortisation of Player registrations?. If the player is sold with a year left to go on his contract then he is likely in the books at £2m.
However, if the club has to pay the £10m upfront then this £10m all comes out of cash flow that year. The P&L only shows a £2m hit each year.
The profit on Lescott would be calculated as the sum received minus whatever he was on the books at. What would matter so much more is if the full £24m was paid in cash! The purchases of Bily, Distin and Heitinga therefore didn?t effect the P&L in full ? only the cash flow and balance sheet. If all three cost £20m and they are on 5 year deals then the ?Amortisation of player registrations? on the P&L would have been £4m for this financial year and then £4m a year for the next 4 years.
#27 David ? very fair point made. I think the current business plan is wrong and have raised this since 2003 when I first presented to shareholders. I will never forget nearly being lynched for putting up a slide that said ?if Wayne has a good Euro 2004 they we will need to cash in because we simply can?t afford to pay anyone £50,000 a week.? I think I understood very quickly that this is very frustrating for all Evertonians as the heart rules the head. In fairness to Bill, the greatest pressure he came under at AGMs was to spend more, borrow more and buy more.
As I said, the alternative proper long term plan is simply unacceptable to emotional thinkers.
#28 Paul ? only read your thread
Thank goodness I was wrong however and we did manage to unearth some gems and sell them for a combined £60m?. I just wish the fans would appreciate what Lescott and Rooney did for Everton ? without their transfer fees we simply couldn?t have competed.
1. Some people enjoy squeezing the last drop of misery out of the accounts. Compared to some of the horror financial stories emanating from many other clubs, we are doing OK.
2. Why sell our best players? Wouldn't the best thing be to win the league with them and wallow in the flood of cash and perhaps a rich benefactor it might bring.
C'mon lads and lasses don't give up now when we are within touching distance of a golden future.Nurse, where's my pills?
Question ? the debt position is truely terrifying, but how much of that is shareholder loans from True Blue, Green, and other mates of Kenwright? Although these are debts in a legal sense, in an economic sense they are really capital (unless or until the shareholder asks for their money back, a la Portsmouth). If most of this is shareholder loans then the position is much better than if it is held by banks. Chelsea is entirely funded by shareholder loans ? that's how they can lose £70m a year, year after year, and still carry on.Observation ? others have made this point indirectly... but the assets on the balance sheet are not calculated at market value. So to say we have a negative net worth of £30m is true in an accounting sense, but the break up value of the club is likely to be worth more ? i.e. although we have a mortgage of £90m, our house is probably worth more than £60m.
Goodison Park will be in the accounts at construction cost/acquisition cost and then depreciated every year (and this depreciation will feed into the profit and loss account, which reduces profits but does not affect cash). Player values are presumably treated in the same way, so profits are bound to take a hit after the acquisition of a big signing as depreciation costs his the P&L (is this right?). Homegrown players are valued at zero etcTake these two factors into account and not only may our house be worth more than £60m, a chunk of the £90m we owe may be owed to ourselves (at least in Kenwright's eyes).But I agree totally with your conclusions. As the business is incapable of making money, the current model is unsustainable. We have been over-spending on players over the last few years and this has to stop (and thankfully it has stopped).Sell the family jewels as and when appropriate. Pay good wages to hang on to our best players who can't command a big sale fee. Never pay transfer fees. It does not matter if fans find this "unacceptable" ? they may find it unacceptable that the day is only 24 hours long ? it won't change the reality. This is reality. The alternative is total disaster...
Based on the general message that BK is putting everything he can into the club, perhaps we have been misled. Why haven't they put money in other than their initial investment? Perhaps a rights issue is the short term answer as it would allow them to maintain their % control and guide the club towards solvency.
Point to note: Everton have not made a COP loss since 2004, so the revenue is sufficient to run the operations in fact over 9 years (if 2010 is the same depreciation) they have made a COP gain of £44m (£20.4m in the last 3 years alone). Take off interest, this leaves us £16.6m to buy players over 9 years without incurring debt or having to sell. This is not enough to compete at the top and hence we have used debt and player proceeds to purchase new players.
2010 though is a concern that it was a gain of £1.3m, which is the lowest since 2007 and not enough to cover interest. Joe is right here; that is not sustainable and does need to be reviewed seriously.Per the cash flow over 9 years, we received proceeds of £102.2m for players but paid out £141.9m, a shortfall of £39.6m which has to be paid out of COP less interest. That leaves us needing £23m additional debt (£39.6m less £16.6m) for players and other CAPEX. However our debt has grown much more than that, and largely through accruals as previously stated.
So this leads me to think that, although the cash outflow paid for by debt is $23m, the rest of our debt is in other expenses or as I suspect, we haven't paid off all our players yet, but that is conjecture and I can't say for sure. But if that is the case it might be the cause for an accrual account to have grown too much.Summary ? the business is in a healthy condition at end of 2010. We are driving positive cash from our operations, over time more than enough to cover interest and even save a little for players. Yes, not enough to fund the big acquisition but more than enough to allow for our levels of debt financing. I don't believe we are in any financial trouble, unless the loans are called in, but that would be the case for any business. We're just not rich. 2010 COP is not pretty and is helped massively by the Lescott deal. I am concerned this might be an indication of our position going forward. This also means we can't fund new players by results, but only by further debt, or selling more players. So Joe is right on that point, but I don't want 2010 to mask some good years. Hopefully this low COP in 2010 can be turned around to 2008 and 2009 levels. Don't expect a big signing in the summer though without equity injection.Apologies this is so long but the story can't be told in a paragraph. I hope you read it and see that the numbers can be interpreted a bit differently. Hope you found it vaguely interesting. COYB!!
Attendances (at full capacity) and corporate hospitality will never bring enough money to allow us to compete with the top 6 of the league. Investment is required to increase these areas to increase the income, and only in this way will we dig ourselves out of this very black hole.
Or a billionaire to write off £95m of debt and plough money in to the team and stadium, who?s kind enough not to want any return... as he won't get any!
The truth is that all clubs adjust their spending on players in direct proportion to the income they receive and I would take bets that IN REAL TERMS all the clubs above us are in much more debt than Everton. All that seems to matter is that your club has enough income ? from any source ? to finance that debt and, in this aspect, Kenwright & Co are doing a sterling job.
Yes,we could do with the arrival of a billionaire investor but until that happens let's give credit to BB, Elstone and Moyes for keeping us in the top escholon.
So that covers things like leasing , travel, accommodation,business rates, utilities, police, temporary staff, security, marketing, PR, web site, community development, stationery, telephones, audit fees, consultancy, etc.
I agree with you that it is hard to see how this adds up to over £23 million.
One has to wonder if there are some large interesting consultancy payments! But normally these would have to be disclosed if Director related.
Perhaps a question for the next Shareholders Forum.
Perhaps of more significance, and this supports your positive conclusion, is a list of the latest available results of the big clubs:
Everton ? loss £3m Spurs ? loss £6mVilla ? loss £46mLiverpool ? loss £55mChelsea ? loss £71mMan Utd ? loss £83mMan City ? loss £121mArsenal ? Profit £56m
My understanding of business value was based on a very simple calculation. Calculate the shareholder equity:?
Equity = Assets ? Liabilities
With this in mind, if there is a deficit (or negative equity) whereby the liabilities are greater than the assets (and in 'normal' business often only tangible assets are considered) then you can normally assume that the company is heading towards bankruptcy ? in fact, a good definition of bankruptcy (not liquidation or administration) is when a company's liabilities outweigh its asset position.
With Everton showing a shareholder deficit (therefore a negative equity) of almost £30m (£29,774,000) ? doesn't that mean we are bankrupt in the traditional sense of the word?
If so, why are we still a going concern? How are the books balanced to obey the laws etc to show that we are not operating a negative affair?
Most definitely confused!
I admitted we can't buy heavily but that is very different from selling just to pay the wages.... I'm actually going to stop now else this will become a novel.
I know we generate enough cash to pay the operating expenses and largely the interest too. I'd have to do more work to factor in the capital repayments as well. not tonight.
Problem is... as soon as we generate any cash, it's going into the players pockets... would anyone here have it different? Maybe now... but we'll forget this when Chelsea come calling for Fellaini and we want him to sign a new contract.
Other posters have explained that to value a business you look at the amount of cash (not profit) that it generates ? hence references to EBITDA and DCF (discounted value of cash flows) as better ways of valuing a company than its net assets.Your "simple" approach is not the appropriate way to value a company like EFC, for example.
If we had performed as expected this season, I suspect these accounts would have been viewed more positively. A strong end to the season, including a good cup run, will make a big difference to what might happen in the summer with regard to the future of DM and Fellaini.
As I understand things, the assets of Goodison Park football stadium were, on 20 March 2002, transferred to that company who would receive all receipts from the stadium operations and become responsible for all running costs. The last accounts published for Goodison Park stadium, those for 2009, show income (I assume essentially gate receipts) of £15,961,897 and operating expenses of £15,220.663.
Fixed assets (Goodison Park?) are given as £6,029.184.Investments ? £2,767,321.Cash in the bank ?£1,893,872.
It would seem from this that the Tangible asset shown in the main Everton balance sheet must have been Bellefield and/or Finch Farm.
Also, I assume that a chunk of the "Creditors due within one year" item relates to gate receipts that are to be passed over to the subsidiary company.
In some ways this might give a slightly stronger overall position than that shown by The main accounts in isolation. It does,however, make the "Other operating costs" item of £25,312,000 even more intriguing!!
11 years and counting and all the good work Moyes has done is slowly unravelling in front of our eyes. it's time to wake up people and start coming together as one to force Kenwright's hand. The shower across the park hired the chairman of BA to find a buyer and within 12 months he'd found two.
Stop the excuses about the ground, the tea lady whatever you want to use ? if you want to sell something, you can. I for one don't want us to be having this same conversation in 5 years time. Life's too short and something has to be done now, before it's too late!!!!
Kenwright Out... Kenwright Out... COYB!
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