A simple lack of hope

I have heard and read how many have said they will protest outside the ground ? not turn up, not renew season tickets, send an email, not buy merchandise, etc etc.

Villa fans unfurled one single banner (Okay it was huge) and it makes Match of the Day coverage, Sky coverage, national papers, is talked about by pundits on Saturday and Sunday and on radio...

Hello, all you protesters ? if you really want Moyes or Kenwright out just unfurl a large flag ? did the trick at Villa!!

I share many of Adams concerns re our club's leadership, or rather lack of it, and find it worrying that a lot of his generation will turn their attention elsewhere and leave us oldies sitting in crumbling stands with nothing but distant memories of glories past.

I've always took calculated risks in my life, not all have worked out, but overall I prefer to live than just exist ? that's not a philosophy Moyes or some fans share and it's banging your head against a brick wall trying to convince them.

The main problem is NO NEW BLOOD and fans do need expectation to keep them reasonably happy. We are stagnating with the same perm any 11 from about 14 and no matter if they are played out of position attitude... most of the players have become utility men, doing a job because our squad is threadbare and has been all along even including those out injured.

As I have said ever since the season began, God help us if Baines gets injured, there is NO cover for him!! We currently have TEN players on loan and one of our better players transferred away for peanuts... add to that the Gosling fiasco.

BK must be an Ostrich as his reaction (lack of) is deafening!!!!!

Hope we can get behind the lads now the brown stuff is hitting the fan once more and perhaps save debates on Kenwright's and Moyes's future for a later date.

Adam, I feel your pain, fella, bit young for swearing though mate!

And don't buy into this Kenwright was quaffing Shampoo while you and your mate were freezing your bollocks off lark either, it may well appeal to the already converted, but many have seen Kenwright at grounds up and down this country in all sorts of weather. This is not one of the many accusations that are there for you to throw at him.

Resist the urge to suppose the worst, leave dreaming shit up to others. Steer clear of claims you can't substantiate, any argument ? no matter how powerful ? will fall if you feel the need to "embroider" it.

Kenwright will give you more than enough ammo and you are more than clever enough to put him away.

Then, when he did find us a stadium, after of course he got lambasted for daring to find alternative funding for it, the government pulled the plug on it, but because we never liked where it was anyway (I didn't either, I'm glad it was scrapped) it must all have been Kenwright's fault.

Despite getting us to a new training ground, getting the academy producing, and qualifying for Europe, none of these are Kenwright's achievements? It's laughable the way people think that they're all knowing and the board is completely useless, and Kenwright is their despot. There's business people all over it, do you think they just turn away investors and potential stadiums?

I'll join in a chorus of asking Kenwright for more investment (let's not think about the possibility that he hasn't got any left and he's given us everything) because I want to see new players too but this vision of him intentionally wanting to ruin the club is just bizarre and has gone too far.

Which teams are making this progress ahead of us Chris? We're having our worst season for a while yet who's ahead of us? Chelsea and City, bought out by billionaires, so progress is inevitable; Man U with their huge investment and revenues, and Arsenal who have always been ahead of us anyway in your and my life time. Spurs have had a bucket load of cash and have only just made the jump (and it could yet fall apart) and Liverpool, despite a load of money, are not really any better off.

Villa are down the bottom despite spending millions, Bolton are in huge debt and are only higher mid-table than usual, Sunderland are nowhere, Birmingham are nowhere. You must have forgotten the late 90s if you think that one frustrating season of finishing 8th is the bad end of the stick.

Your comments about Kenwright I wholly concur with. If he stays as chairman, I can't see our club doing anything other than either being nearer the top of the second string of clubs one year and neareer the bottom the next.

Like you, I'm giving up my season ticket for next season, as is my mate and his son (they come to the match from Kendal and have done for donkeys) and we drink in Crofts as well so they're going to be losing a bit of business, which is a shame.

I'll be writing to the club to tell them why I'm not renewing my ticket and that'll be my own little demo.

Final point! Did anyone else hear Hansen and Lineker wittering away on MotD on Saturday? They were basically saying that "they couldn't believe a few fans were showing a bit of displeasure at the goings on at EFC" I'm paraphrasing a bit there but they finished off with saying "they couldn't understand it"!

After failing for over a year to find the money from investors, banks etc, he then got into the famous spat with Paul Gregg and rejected his idea of a tenancy of 125 years at KD. With only two weeks to go to the absolute deadline given by the public sector partners, after we had fucked around for over twelve months, Kenwright approached Pitcher, due to his historic links with the club, and asked if he could help. Sir Desmond said without hesitating he would do all he could. He very quickly secured considerable sums towards the required £30mill but alas not enough given the short period of time he had and the deadline passed. After a request, no extension was given due to how EFC had messed the partners around for so long. Sir Desmond stated that had he been asked to get involved earlier he would have secured more funds than were required with ease, but he was always fighting against the clock. So yes, for me, Kenwright was right at the centre of the fuck-up that was Kings Dock.

With regards the debacle that was Kirkby, you only have to read the many documents from the inquiry to see that, had it not been stopped by the Secretary of State, we would have ended up with a poor imitation of an already poor stadium. The changes to the plans and planning application limited the capacity to below 45k, limited the noise level to such that it meant no concerts of note would ever be held there, and also allowed KMBC to draw revenue from the facilities, and let's not even start on the transport issues and actual design!!

Yes, we have a new training facility, but what a shame we don't own that either; we had a chance to but passed it up and will end up paying well over the odds for it.

Just because the board has 'business people all over it' means absolutely nothing ? zilch, zero. Being labelled a business person does not a good one make... just look across the park. Hicks and Gillette turned away a number of very wealthy potential investors/buyers because they wanted more money than was on offer, it's what's commonly known as greed, plain and simple. Had it not been for the fact that they were outflanked by Broughton, they'd still be there now, more's the pity. Neither Kenwright nor any of the other Board members have ever put a penny of their own money into the club, with the exception of buying their shares; Bobby Elstone has confirmed this.

I blame Kenwright for being weak... weak because he has undermined both himself and the club by bringing Earl and Green into the fold on their terms; weak because he either can't or won't acknowledge how rapidly we are going backwards as a business; weak because he won't admit his shortcomings and let somebody else take the reigns; and finally, he is weak because he cannot see that keeping his train set all to himself is what will actually ruin it.

The model the Board has implemented is fundamentally flawed and completely unsustainable ? you can only borrow against your assets for so long, and we passed that point in time quite a while ago. The club no longer has any assets to secure loans against, the only assets left are the players, so we are faced with selling the few higher-value players we have to purchase lower-value ones in greater numbers in order to have a meaningful 'squad' ? not the route to success I'd suggest.

One thing's for sure, it's set to be an interesting summer, one way or another!!!

Where we in as much mess then or now? Where we in as much debt then or now?
Did we not buy any players under PJ like now?
Did BK win a trophy?
Did BK set up an academy?
Has BK shown any vision like PJ?
Did PJ cancel shareholder meetings?
Has BK put some of his own money in like PJ did?
Did PJ promise the fans a world class stadium, only to then unveil a Boltonesque design?
Did PJ say "watch this space" for non-existent fantastic signings?
Did PJ say, "I will never sell star player for less than £50M," then load him off on the last day, just in case he had to spend some of that money for 1£8-20M plus add ons?

PJ had some faults, I would agree (the fact that he was a red has clouded many people's judgements, in my opinion) but nowhere near the level of BK, so I do not understand why the venom is still thrown at PJ. Look at the above, I know which chairman's reign I would look back on more favourably, and it is not Bill Kenwright's.

@Thomas Williams 36 ? my sentiments exactly, the multitude of sins being covered up by just using the term "I'm an Evertonian" is unbelievable, without a shadow of doubt if Kenwright had been a rs there would have been riots by our fans, about the way he has run our club. For some reason, too many blues support Kenwright FC and not Everton FC.

I have decided to leave it for now, and decide nearer the deadline, NOT that I see any change in our circumstances, on the horizon. I just object to the date of renewal, it gets earlier each season, before long we will be asked to pay for two seasons at a time.