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Who are the RIGHT people?
By Jay Harris : 19/04/2011 : 
Comments (82) :
I was amazed to read David Moyes wholesome backing of the current board in suggesting the current owners are just fine and we can compete with the top clubs with the current board.
Comments (82) : Now while we all have our views on Kenwright and cronies too much has already been published in the way of pro and anti Kenwright to waste more space and time on that.
My question is what makes a good board and what qualities should they have.
In my opinion the following qualities are essential:
Vision
Financial acumen
Ability to set and achieve long term plans and strategy
Good relationship and standing with the financial community
Ability to gain respect from others
Honesty
Openness
Tact
Luck
For me the current board doesnt tick too many of these boxes but are these qualities essential or does the club need big money backers.
Over to the forum....
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Andy Crooks
2 Posted 19/04/2011 at 20:56:12
2 Posted 19/04/2011 at 20:56:12
Jay, the current board doesn't tick any of those boxes. What is sad is that there is no good reason why they shouldn't have these qualities.Kenwright doesn't have any money and because of that it is his duty to see that the club is run perfectly. Of course it obviously isn't. The fact that the basic qualities you list aren't there is due to smugness bordering on arrogance and ineptitude from top to bottom.
Dave Lynch
3 Posted 19/04/2011 at 21:20:09
3 Posted 19/04/2011 at 21:20:09
Of course he thinks the right owners are in place.
They pay him a million a year, he delivers fuck all season after season and his job is safe as houses.
Not bad work if you can get it.
They pay him a million a year, he delivers fuck all season after season and his job is safe as houses.
Not bad work if you can get it.
Andy Crooks
4 Posted 19/04/2011 at 21:29:04
4 Posted 19/04/2011 at 21:29:04
Dave, a million a year? Multiply that by at least three.
Dennis Stevens
5 Posted 19/04/2011 at 21:32:49
5 Posted 19/04/2011 at 21:32:49
I don't know who the right people are, but I wish they'd get their collective fingers out & sort the club out before it's too late. One valid point Moyes makes, imho, is that it probably wouldn't take investment to the tune of half a billion or so to make great progress at the club, either in terms of providing a bit of a boost to the squad that isn't based upon our tradiitional sell to buy approach, or in terms of ground redevelopment which doesn't have to be completed all at once.
Michael Coville
6 Posted 19/04/2011 at 21:12:54
6 Posted 19/04/2011 at 21:12:54
I am not a supporter of Kenwright but would pose the question "which owners of Premier clubs tick off all of the qualities listed above"?
The Chelsea Russian-NO
The City Arabs-NO
The Blackburn Indians-NO
The previous RS Americans-NO
The present RS Americans-probably NO
The Shite Americans-NO
What the above have is more money than us, so you can forget all the above qualities, to be successful in todays football world you need cash and lots of it. Kenwright"s issues. and their are many, are irrelevant. The real problem with him is that he is broke and consequently so is the club. To move forward, regardless of what Moyes believes, we need a rich owner who can afford a good management team, can bring in the best players and pay them the going rate and has sufficient funds left over to build us a state-of-the-art stadium within the boundaries of Liverpool. If we are lucky enough to get such an owner we also need a Manager who can create a trophy winning team. I hope Moyes is up to it. He has shown he can punch above his weight with little money but can he build a team that wins trophies?
The Chelsea Russian-NO
The City Arabs-NO
The Blackburn Indians-NO
The previous RS Americans-NO
The present RS Americans-probably NO
The Shite Americans-NO
What the above have is more money than us, so you can forget all the above qualities, to be successful in todays football world you need cash and lots of it. Kenwright"s issues. and their are many, are irrelevant. The real problem with him is that he is broke and consequently so is the club. To move forward, regardless of what Moyes believes, we need a rich owner who can afford a good management team, can bring in the best players and pay them the going rate and has sufficient funds left over to build us a state-of-the-art stadium within the boundaries of Liverpool. If we are lucky enough to get such an owner we also need a Manager who can create a trophy winning team. I hope Moyes is up to it. He has shown he can punch above his weight with little money but can he build a team that wins trophies?
Andy Codling
7 Posted 19/04/2011 at 21:49:14
7 Posted 19/04/2011 at 21:49:14
Kenshite sending his puppet out to do his bullshiting for him, but then thats what 75 a week buys you.
Tony J Williams
8 Posted 19/04/2011 at 22:12:58
8 Posted 19/04/2011 at 22:12:58
Andy, I would gladly say that shit for £75k a week. Also doesn't the doublespeak actually mean we need new owners because the one we have are skint...with a side of he wishes the current owners had money because they treat him well in the wages area.
Trevor Lynes
9 Posted 19/04/2011 at 22:17:23
9 Posted 19/04/2011 at 22:17:23
The club has no money but can afford to let assets like Pienaar and Gosling go for nowt or pittances....as Victor Meldrew says...I DONT BELIEVE IT !!
Of course we have SOME money and if we were in the relegation dog fight it WOULD materialize...when the fans were really restless and every article was venomous towards the management, money appeared at the 11th hour for Fellaini when everyone was talking Moutinho.
Now we sell and loan out hordes of players just to get them off the payroll and bring in very few if any.
Our recent buys have been poor...both Bily and Heits have been gross disappointments and we have been luckily bailed out by the form of Osman and to a lesser extent Hibbo..
Unfortunately our reserves are very poor so it looks unlikely that any will come through and really push for places.
If no money is provided to freshen up and strengthen the present squad I will not be attending next season...
We have no cover whatsoever for Baines...he can play whenever he likes and is in a very strong position to negotiate a TOP SALARY for himself as EFC mismanagement have made him indispensable.
NO COMPANY WHICH IS PROPERLY RUN WOULD ALLOW THIS !!!!
So much for the bumbling board of dumbfucks !!
Of course we have SOME money and if we were in the relegation dog fight it WOULD materialize...when the fans were really restless and every article was venomous towards the management, money appeared at the 11th hour for Fellaini when everyone was talking Moutinho.
Now we sell and loan out hordes of players just to get them off the payroll and bring in very few if any.
Our recent buys have been poor...both Bily and Heits have been gross disappointments and we have been luckily bailed out by the form of Osman and to a lesser extent Hibbo..
Unfortunately our reserves are very poor so it looks unlikely that any will come through and really push for places.
If no money is provided to freshen up and strengthen the present squad I will not be attending next season...
We have no cover whatsoever for Baines...he can play whenever he likes and is in a very strong position to negotiate a TOP SALARY for himself as EFC mismanagement have made him indispensable.
NO COMPANY WHICH IS PROPERLY RUN WOULD ALLOW THIS !!!!
So much for the bumbling board of dumbfucks !!
Eugene Ruane
10 Posted 19/04/2011 at 22:08:30
10 Posted 19/04/2011 at 22:08:30
Can anyone figure out anything 'coded' in what Moyes said?
I mean if it was me, I'd have said something like..
"Could it be Bill Kenwright knows what he's doing?
Under his reign we've not done too badly.
Not just a chairman, he's an Evertonian.
Through and through and through.
Be careful what you wish for then.
I definitely support him.
Limited funds maybe all that's available.
Love of Everton however means more than money"
(that way I'd SEEM to be supporting Bill, but when you put the first letter of each sentence together..)
I mean if it was me, I'd have said something like..
"Could it be Bill Kenwright knows what he's doing?
Under his reign we've not done too badly.
Not just a chairman, he's an Evertonian.
Through and through and through.
Be careful what you wish for then.
I definitely support him.
Limited funds maybe all that's available.
Love of Everton however means more than money"
(that way I'd SEEM to be supporting Bill, but when you put the first letter of each sentence together..)
Karl Masters
11 Posted 19/04/2011 at 23:02:56
11 Posted 19/04/2011 at 23:02:56
Perhaps he knows something we don't and somebody daft enough to hand Bill some cash whilst sitting in the background has been found. Stranger things have happened.
Tony McNulty
12 Posted 19/04/2011 at 23:29:20
12 Posted 19/04/2011 at 23:29:20
Toffeeweb - educational as well as informative. A slow news day, so Ruane introduces acrostics. Maybe we should have a whole thread devoted to them. What was that one a few years back? Martin Amis is a shit?
Martin Faulkner
13 Posted 19/04/2011 at 23:33:02
13 Posted 19/04/2011 at 23:33:02
Michael
The Chelsea Russian-NO
The City Arabs-NO
The Blackburn Indians-NO
The previous RS Americans-NO
The present RS Americans-probably NO
The Shite Americans-NO
Sunderland - Ellis Short - Yes
Villa - Randy Lerner - Yes
Stoke - Peter Coates - Yes
Tottenham - Joe Lewis - Yes
In addition to your own list of No's
Birmingham - No
Fulham - No
Magpies - No
West Ham - No
I think out of all the takeovers in recent years of English clubs more than half would come into the not for us category.
The Chelsea Russian-NO
The City Arabs-NO
The Blackburn Indians-NO
The previous RS Americans-NO
The present RS Americans-probably NO
The Shite Americans-NO
Sunderland - Ellis Short - Yes
Villa - Randy Lerner - Yes
Stoke - Peter Coates - Yes
Tottenham - Joe Lewis - Yes
In addition to your own list of No's
Birmingham - No
Fulham - No
Magpies - No
West Ham - No
I think out of all the takeovers in recent years of English clubs more than half would come into the not for us category.
Richard Dodd
14 Posted 20/04/2011 at 00:01:19
14 Posted 20/04/2011 at 00:01:19
A timely reminder from David Moyes that we don`t need new owners just new money! Only the baying minority clamours for a total clean-out of the boardroom and whilst I agree that we can only ever be the `best of the rest`with the present incumbents at the helm, I would hate my beloved Everton to become the plaything of the sort of zillionaires who seem attracted to our Premier League clubs.
The writer of the Chester Chronicle article apparently posed the question as to how a club like Blackburn could attract new owners before Everton? I have no doubt that BK would have given those chicken pluckers short shrift as "not Everton`s kind of people". Thank God for that, I say. Stay firm, Bill until the right money is offered by the right people. Everton is too precious to be sacrificed for a shedload of rupees!
Christopher Ashton
15 Posted 20/04/2011 at 00:03:55
15 Posted 20/04/2011 at 00:03:55
Just an interesting spot on my way home from work then that some people here might be interested in. There was a group of Everton fans, maybe 10+ with the new scarf and stuff walking up Goodison Road. Interesting spot by itself as the leaked pics of the kit came out today.
But as they got up to the picture of Kenwright on the time line,half of them stood underneath it with a banner taking pictures of themselves. They did it by the reception as well, although I'm unsure if they had done anything else before that. The banner read;
"Kenwright, if you love this club, please let it go, we need investment to grow." Or something close to that.
So, for the fans here that have asked for protests, something seems to have begun now. No idea who they were or why they were doing it but there you go.
Jim Lloyd
16 Posted 20/04/2011 at 00:09:16
16 Posted 20/04/2011 at 00:09:16
I'm certain now. I decided, along with my mate and his son, not to renew my season ticket. After reading what David Moyes has said, I think I've made the right choice.
It seems that "investment" will solve our ills, not "a new owner" For crying out loud. Who on earth is going to open their wallet and fund our club's current owner and his crew, after seeing the track record so far???
King's Dock, Fortress Sports " The money's in the bank". Desperation Kirkby, and now getting a bloody office suitem built on land that could be used to increase the capacity of Goodison Park.
I've always thought of Moyes as an Honourable man but stuff in the Echo tonight makes me wonder.
We have a man, who's position in the club I'm not sure about, who is a Billionaire. We have another who sold a chain of food outlets and promised to release funds to the club and bugger all has happened.
So Davgid Moyes believes that all that is needed, is for someone to come along, fund this mob, probably to the tunen of £two hundred million or so, for players and ground redevelopment and sit back and leave it to the current board to fulfill some kind of management plan, which will ensure that his/her investment is used wisely!!!
My God, we certainly are living in interesting times!
It seems that "investment" will solve our ills, not "a new owner" For crying out loud. Who on earth is going to open their wallet and fund our club's current owner and his crew, after seeing the track record so far???
King's Dock, Fortress Sports " The money's in the bank". Desperation Kirkby, and now getting a bloody office suitem built on land that could be used to increase the capacity of Goodison Park.
I've always thought of Moyes as an Honourable man but stuff in the Echo tonight makes me wonder.
We have a man, who's position in the club I'm not sure about, who is a Billionaire. We have another who sold a chain of food outlets and promised to release funds to the club and bugger all has happened.
So Davgid Moyes believes that all that is needed, is for someone to come along, fund this mob, probably to the tunen of £two hundred million or so, for players and ground redevelopment and sit back and leave it to the current board to fulfill some kind of management plan, which will ensure that his/her investment is used wisely!!!
My God, we certainly are living in interesting times!
Dick Fearon
17 Posted 19/04/2011 at 23:58:18
17 Posted 19/04/2011 at 23:58:18
Can one of our resident financial whiz kids name a billionaire who is prepared to hand over his dough and not interfere with the playing side.
Please spare me the usual rubbish about mysterious shadowy figures that Bill K has fended off. While you are at it perhaps you could name an actual witness to some of the boardroom shenanigans that you claim to have taken place.
Please spare me the usual rubbish about mysterious shadowy figures that Bill K has fended off. While you are at it perhaps you could name an actual witness to some of the boardroom shenanigans that you claim to have taken place.
John Keating
18 Posted 20/04/2011 at 01:16:26
18 Posted 20/04/2011 at 01:16:26
Richard. Agree with you.
But not wanting to rake up old wounds, are your last 2 sentences taken from your DK times ?
But not wanting to rake up old wounds, are your last 2 sentences taken from your DK times ?
Ste Traverse
19 Posted 20/04/2011 at 01:22:53
19 Posted 20/04/2011 at 01:22:53
Dicky Dodd.
You say you don't want to this club to be a 'Zillionares plaything'.
It's obviously lost on you we are currently a poor mans plaything.
I know what I'd rather be,given the choice.
As for Moyes' comments,he's talking out of his arse. Is it in his contract he must talk up Kenwright and his cronies on the board when we're on a decent run as surely I'm not the only one to have noticed this?
You say you don't want to this club to be a 'Zillionares plaything'.
It's obviously lost on you we are currently a poor mans plaything.
I know what I'd rather be,given the choice.
As for Moyes' comments,he's talking out of his arse. Is it in his contract he must talk up Kenwright and his cronies on the board when we're on a decent run as surely I'm not the only one to have noticed this?
David Israel
20 Posted 20/04/2011 at 01:26:37
20 Posted 20/04/2011 at 01:26:37
I have tired of going on about the hapless and useless board of directors in charge of EFC.
But I will say this: it is not for the manager to say whether a club needs new owners or not. However, it is expected of a manager that he doesn't become a de facto supporter and virtual prop of an unpopular board by swallowing all the team-destroying decisions that come from upstairs. Being capable of slamming the door is a much more admirable quality.
But I will say this: it is not for the manager to say whether a club needs new owners or not. However, it is expected of a manager that he doesn't become a de facto supporter and virtual prop of an unpopular board by swallowing all the team-destroying decisions that come from upstairs. Being capable of slamming the door is a much more admirable quality.
James Flynn
21 Posted 20/04/2011 at 01:46:48
21 Posted 20/04/2011 at 01:46:48
Eugene (10) - HaHa Good one. Clever.
James Flynn
22 Posted 20/04/2011 at 01:59:27
22 Posted 20/04/2011 at 01:59:27
Martin (13) - "Villa - Randy Lerner - Yes"
The answer is "No" brother. Look up Lerner's Cleveland Browns in the NFL since he's owned them. He's a well-known piece of shit over here. Try a few Browns ToffeeWeb-like sites.
May he keep ownership of Villa all the way to the Championship.
The answer is "No" brother. Look up Lerner's Cleveland Browns in the NFL since he's owned them. He's a well-known piece of shit over here. Try a few Browns ToffeeWeb-like sites.
May he keep ownership of Villa all the way to the Championship.
Jay Harris
23 Posted 20/04/2011 at 05:51:08
23 Posted 20/04/2011 at 05:51:08
Dick #17,
Arsenal dont seem to fair too badly under Stan Kroentze who is not even chairman.
Likewise Spurs have prospered under the chairmanship of Daniel Levy who does not interfere with Appy Arry even though some think he should.
Man city supporters would not be unhappy with their owners either although that is not my preferred type of board.
For all the Man U supporters unhappiness with the Glazers they havent been too interfering either.
The only board I would not like to see in place of BK and his cronies are West Ham's and Blackburn's.
Arsenal dont seem to fair too badly under Stan Kroentze who is not even chairman.
Likewise Spurs have prospered under the chairmanship of Daniel Levy who does not interfere with Appy Arry even though some think he should.
Man city supporters would not be unhappy with their owners either although that is not my preferred type of board.
For all the Man U supporters unhappiness with the Glazers they havent been too interfering either.
The only board I would not like to see in place of BK and his cronies are West Ham's and Blackburn's.
Roman Sidey
24 Posted 20/04/2011 at 06:00:29
24 Posted 20/04/2011 at 06:00:29
After what happened in January, for Moyes to come out and say this proves that he is a spineles cunt who is only at this club for his own financial gain. Fuck off with all the loyalty bullshit, if he didn't get his 17million pound contract he was walking.
He says we need new money, not new owners.
1. Fucking bullshit. The new owners have shown that they are inept, and a lot of the supporters are getting fed up with their constant inability to connect to them.
2. Who, in their right mind, would give the current board their money after seeing how they have run the club into the ground over 12 years.
What Moyes needs to do, after having fucked off to Norwich (they'd love his tactics there), is pick up a dictionary and compare the entries for these two words: "investment" and "donation".
He says we need new money, not new owners.
1. Fucking bullshit. The new owners have shown that they are inept, and a lot of the supporters are getting fed up with their constant inability to connect to them.
2. Who, in their right mind, would give the current board their money after seeing how they have run the club into the ground over 12 years.
What Moyes needs to do, after having fucked off to Norwich (they'd love his tactics there), is pick up a dictionary and compare the entries for these two words: "investment" and "donation".
Roman Sidey
25 Posted 20/04/2011 at 06:20:11
25 Posted 20/04/2011 at 06:20:11
And Steve Guy, with the Orwellian theme starting with you, I would like to continue it.
If Kenwright, Moyes, Elstone and the whole bunch of arseholes running the club would step out of the FicDep fucked off to the Miniluv, that would be doubleplusgood!
If Kenwright, Moyes, Elstone and the whole bunch of arseholes running the club would step out of the FicDep fucked off to the Miniluv, that would be doubleplusgood!
Tony Cheek
26 Posted 20/04/2011 at 08:49:17
26 Posted 20/04/2011 at 08:49:17
What Moyes is really saying is that he wants Bill to win the Euro- Millions Lottery!
Maybe Bill would say "we dont need a new manager, we just need to win more games".
Maybe Bill would say "we dont need a new manager, we just need to win more games".
Tony Cheek
27 Posted 20/04/2011 at 08:49:17
27 Posted 20/04/2011 at 08:49:17
What Moyes is really saying is that he wants Bill to win the Euro- Millions Lottery!
Maybe Bill would say "we dont need a new manager, we just need to win more games".
Maybe Bill would say "we dont need a new manager, we just need to win more games".
Mark Stone
28 Posted 20/04/2011 at 09:51:49
28 Posted 20/04/2011 at 09:51:49
Sunderland - Ellis Short - Yes
Villa - Randy Lerner - Yes
Stoke - Peter Coates - Yes
Tottenham - Joe Lewis - Yes
Yet all but 1 are below us in the league. Despite their money.
Villa - Randy Lerner - Yes
Stoke - Peter Coates - Yes
Tottenham - Joe Lewis - Yes
Yet all but 1 are below us in the league. Despite their money.
Gavin Ramejkis
29 Posted 20/04/2011 at 09:49:38
29 Posted 20/04/2011 at 09:49:38
Doddy did you read the article? The writer? It's a lift from Dave Prentice. It's often been asked on here at what point do you look beyond the abused "he's a blue" and reflect on the bullshitisms and failures of the worst chairman in 133 years? Now if you could post a precis giving excuses for every single failure on his clock I'm certain that would begin a great debate.
After 11 years and counting BK hasn't invested a single penny into the club beyond his shares, it's documented that neither he or any of the major shareholders are willing to spend a single penny on the club or dilute their shareholdings to the club's benefit YET you still believe somewhere in the world there is an utter moron of abject stupidity willing to give BK money to keep hold of his trainset and failing business for fuck all in return?
I've said it before, want to buy some magic beans?
After 11 years and counting BK hasn't invested a single penny into the club beyond his shares, it's documented that neither he or any of the major shareholders are willing to spend a single penny on the club or dilute their shareholdings to the club's benefit YET you still believe somewhere in the world there is an utter moron of abject stupidity willing to give BK money to keep hold of his trainset and failing business for fuck all in return?
I've said it before, want to buy some magic beans?
Neil McKinney
30 Posted 20/04/2011 at 10:19:06
30 Posted 20/04/2011 at 10:19:06
This is a nothing story for me. Not sure what people expect Moyes to say, he's towing the party line like a good little employee.
We might not like it, but I would be shocked to hear him come out and say "what we need is a clear out of the board. Bill's got no cash and I'm sick of having no money to spend in the window." It might be what we want but I still don't expect the manager to be the one that puts it out there in the media. Moyes will say the right things until he walks or is sacked and it's no different from the infamous "board backs the manager" curse that gets rolled out days before a club sacks the gaffer.
It's one thing for fans to protest and start movements against a regime that they believe is rotting the club from within, but to expect the employees to do it is somewhat naive.
Do I agree with what Moyes has said? No
Would I expect him to have said anything else? No
Good point from Roman which is one of the things that has annoyed me the most over the last few years. Bill seems to be looking for mugs to just handover large lumps of cash so that he can continue to play with his favourite toy. Investment and donation are not the same thing. He needs to step aside and accept that he has nothing left to offer EFC.
We might not like it, but I would be shocked to hear him come out and say "what we need is a clear out of the board. Bill's got no cash and I'm sick of having no money to spend in the window." It might be what we want but I still don't expect the manager to be the one that puts it out there in the media. Moyes will say the right things until he walks or is sacked and it's no different from the infamous "board backs the manager" curse that gets rolled out days before a club sacks the gaffer.
It's one thing for fans to protest and start movements against a regime that they believe is rotting the club from within, but to expect the employees to do it is somewhat naive.
Do I agree with what Moyes has said? No
Would I expect him to have said anything else? No
Good point from Roman which is one of the things that has annoyed me the most over the last few years. Bill seems to be looking for mugs to just handover large lumps of cash so that he can continue to play with his favourite toy. Investment and donation are not the same thing. He needs to step aside and accept that he has nothing left to offer EFC.
Paul Joy
31 Posted 20/04/2011 at 11:22:01
31 Posted 20/04/2011 at 11:22:01
Eugene * 10
Very constructive comment - my my not on your high horse today then.
Whilst I crave progress for Everton on and off the pitch - that is just garbage being spouted by a hypocrite.
Very constructive comment - my my not on your high horse today then.
Whilst I crave progress for Everton on and off the pitch - that is just garbage being spouted by a hypocrite.
Andy Morden
32 Posted 20/04/2011 at 11:29:41
32 Posted 20/04/2011 at 11:29:41
Moyes playing politics? He is asking for money, I think. He made a statement that he needs some money in the summer not so long back. I think this is the underlying theme that may well underpin Moyes' comments. He has to be careful and not say "get these clowns out and get me backers with cash" - he has to work with them. But the theme is "I / we need money". I don't think he will say it blatantly, but the message is drip drip drip. What effect it will have on the board who knows.
I suppose there is a broader point about the 'right type of owners' - I recall people on here going nuts because teams like Portsmouth, Notts County etc could get new owners, but they clearly were the wrong type. The Notts County saga is mind boggling. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13109493
I am not a Kenwright 'acolyte', 'apologist' or even a Doddist (new form of religion perhaps, bit of a cult type thing?) who backs the board as it is clear they have massive limitations and are not the most honest. However, they are probably right to be cautious about selling to anyone. I suspect given the state of the club finances, only the iffy so and so's may show interest....
Just my thoughts!
I suppose there is a broader point about the 'right type of owners' - I recall people on here going nuts because teams like Portsmouth, Notts County etc could get new owners, but they clearly were the wrong type. The Notts County saga is mind boggling. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13109493
I am not a Kenwright 'acolyte', 'apologist' or even a Doddist (new form of religion perhaps, bit of a cult type thing?) who backs the board as it is clear they have massive limitations and are not the most honest. However, they are probably right to be cautious about selling to anyone. I suspect given the state of the club finances, only the iffy so and so's may show interest....
Just my thoughts!
Norman Merrill
33 Posted 20/04/2011 at 11:53:06
33 Posted 20/04/2011 at 11:53:06
I would not really expect David Moyes to say anything else, as with new owners, usually comes new manager.
Gavin Ramejkis
34 Posted 20/04/2011 at 11:39:36
34 Posted 20/04/2011 at 11:39:36
Neil #30, I posted an article some time ago about admittedly larger scale protests and ousting of dictators quoting a scholar who says successful changes are strengthened when they can use members of the regime itself to discredit it's leader(s). I can't see Moyes doing it as he's far too cozy with Billy Bullshitter but in a straight choice of Black Bill over Moyes I'm inclined to think Moyes would win more support from the fans and spectators than BK ever could.
Rob Teo
35 Posted 20/04/2011 at 11:23:12
35 Posted 20/04/2011 at 11:23:12
Dick Dodd,
Care to explain your "chicken pluckers" comment? I sincerely hope it's not a racist slur against Indian people concocted by you and your mates at whatever backwater town you hail from.
What, pray tell, is Everton's "kind of people"? White people only?
And how is Everton "too precious to be sacrificed" by an investor with "a shedload of rupees"? Would it be better if it were a shedload of American dollars or Russian roubles?
Please explain.
Care to explain your "chicken pluckers" comment? I sincerely hope it's not a racist slur against Indian people concocted by you and your mates at whatever backwater town you hail from.
What, pray tell, is Everton's "kind of people"? White people only?
And how is Everton "too precious to be sacrificed" by an investor with "a shedload of rupees"? Would it be better if it were a shedload of American dollars or Russian roubles?
Please explain.
Rob Teo
36 Posted 20/04/2011 at 12:09:55
36 Posted 20/04/2011 at 12:09:55
Sorry, should have added: Dick Dodd at #14
Peter Laing
37 Posted 20/04/2011 at 12:15:51
37 Posted 20/04/2011 at 12:15:51
Rob, I think Richard Dodd was probably suggesting somebody of the old school tie ilk as Everton's 'kind of people'. He may look no further than Life President Sir Philip Carter, a local tory spiv who kept Everton in the backwaters during the mid- to late-80s and got his fingers burned when he tried with a cartel to carve up the TV rights to the Football League only to be gazumped by Rubert Murdoch.
Amit Vithlani
38 Posted 20/04/2011 at 12:30:05
38 Posted 20/04/2011 at 12:30:05
Rob - to be fair to old Doddy he is alot of things (related to Ken etc) but racist is not one of them. I am Indian and his remarks did not offend me. The way I read them was that if Blackburn's owners were Russian Oilmen the sentiments would be the same (namely that owners with money can do more harm than good if they are too interfering on the playing side.).
On the thrust of the article, I ask posters who are lambasting Moyes one question: What do you want him to do? Come out and say what a bunch of cunts the owners are?
Roman Sidey I have an idea. Why dont you tell us who your employer is and then post a comment on your employer's website openly lambasting them. Then please feel free to call Moyes a "spineless cunt".
Moyes does not own the club. He is an employee of Kenwright whether he likes it or hates it. I imagine he enjoys his job so to some degree has to tow the line.
Its not unusual in a workplace to have to put up with your boss even if you hate him.
On the thrust of the article, I ask posters who are lambasting Moyes one question: What do you want him to do? Come out and say what a bunch of cunts the owners are?
Roman Sidey I have an idea. Why dont you tell us who your employer is and then post a comment on your employer's website openly lambasting them. Then please feel free to call Moyes a "spineless cunt".
Moyes does not own the club. He is an employee of Kenwright whether he likes it or hates it. I imagine he enjoys his job so to some degree has to tow the line.
Its not unusual in a workplace to have to put up with your boss even if you hate him.
David Mockford
39 Posted 20/04/2011 at 12:49:18
39 Posted 20/04/2011 at 12:49:18
The general level of financial naivety never ceases to amaze me.
Time after time supporters come on here either urging the current regime to spend money we patently havent got or plead for some 'investment'
It really is time to wake up and smell the coffee. Our current business model is one that loses £20m every year unless we sell players at a profit. This situation looks like it is only going to continue in the short term. We have a dilapidated stadium, a stack of bank debt and three much richer clubs in a 40m radius.
No sane person would treat this as an 'investment' unless you were paid to take the club on.
Our only hope like some other PL teams is a benefactor who will happily write off losses against their own personal fortune.
It is very easy to be critical of BK and Im neither a fan or a critic but two things I do admire, we have not put the future of the club at risk by financial folly and for 7 years we have consistently outperformed as a football team in relation to our financial clout.
Time after time supporters come on here either urging the current regime to spend money we patently havent got or plead for some 'investment'
It really is time to wake up and smell the coffee. Our current business model is one that loses £20m every year unless we sell players at a profit. This situation looks like it is only going to continue in the short term. We have a dilapidated stadium, a stack of bank debt and three much richer clubs in a 40m radius.
No sane person would treat this as an 'investment' unless you were paid to take the club on.
Our only hope like some other PL teams is a benefactor who will happily write off losses against their own personal fortune.
It is very easy to be critical of BK and Im neither a fan or a critic but two things I do admire, we have not put the future of the club at risk by financial folly and for 7 years we have consistently outperformed as a football team in relation to our financial clout.
Noel Lynam
40 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:13:35
40 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:13:35
Rob Teo @34,
His "chicken pluckers" comment was probably due to the fact that Blackburn's owners, Venky's are a company who process chicken meat. This has been pretty well documented since their takeover, although maybe you and your mates in whatever backward town you hail from have not had sight of this.
His "chicken pluckers" comment was probably due to the fact that Blackburn's owners, Venky's are a company who process chicken meat. This has been pretty well documented since their takeover, although maybe you and your mates in whatever backward town you hail from have not had sight of this.
Neil McKinney
41 Posted 20/04/2011 at 12:51:48
41 Posted 20/04/2011 at 12:51:48
Gavin #34 - Fair point, but I still think it's a bit much to ask an employee who has forged a fairly solid career under Bill to hang him out to dry when despite a pretty vocal anti-Kenwright movement on this site we have yet to see a real effort from fans to convey the unrest. The Evertonians For Change movement that has recently surfaced may be the beginnings of this, only time will tell.
We can't expect Moyes to push our agenda. I know how you feel about Moyes and I can appreciate that these latest quotes do nothing to improve his image with you, but I just think that he's doing nothing more than I would expect and whilst it does not increase my respect for him, it does not necessarily reduce it either.
We can't expect Moyes to push our agenda. I know how you feel about Moyes and I can appreciate that these latest quotes do nothing to improve his image with you, but I just think that he's doing nothing more than I would expect and whilst it does not increase my respect for him, it does not necessarily reduce it either.
David Booth
42 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:07:05
42 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:07:05
Amit (38): a point very well made. Several indeed!
Personally, I think David Moyes made a very honest statement of where we are right now.
I do NOT want Everton to end up in the hands of a non-Evertonian or some mystery foreign 'investor'.
Do any of you who have posted here really want us to be owned by the likes of a poultry production company, irrespective of their nationality?
Do heritage, tradition and principles not have a part to play?
This is Everton, not Birmingham City, Blackburn Rovers, Sunderland, Stoke or even Aston Villa and Tottenham Hotspur.
Call me naive (as I am certain some who follow will need no encouragement to do), but I echo David Moyes' sentiments and would be delighted if his plea was to become a reality.
Because despite all the 'we're doomed' disciples on here, we are the fourth most successful club in England and have the capacity to easily maintain and improve on that if afforded a more level financial playing field.
May I suggest that those who think a short-term fix from some anonymous, alleged billionnaire - followed soon afterwards by the usual hollow and unfulfilled promises - is a more viable and realistic long-term solution, need to start bigging us up.. .instead of continually putting us down?
Personally, I think David Moyes made a very honest statement of where we are right now.
I do NOT want Everton to end up in the hands of a non-Evertonian or some mystery foreign 'investor'.
Do any of you who have posted here really want us to be owned by the likes of a poultry production company, irrespective of their nationality?
Do heritage, tradition and principles not have a part to play?
This is Everton, not Birmingham City, Blackburn Rovers, Sunderland, Stoke or even Aston Villa and Tottenham Hotspur.
Call me naive (as I am certain some who follow will need no encouragement to do), but I echo David Moyes' sentiments and would be delighted if his plea was to become a reality.
Because despite all the 'we're doomed' disciples on here, we are the fourth most successful club in England and have the capacity to easily maintain and improve on that if afforded a more level financial playing field.
May I suggest that those who think a short-term fix from some anonymous, alleged billionnaire - followed soon afterwards by the usual hollow and unfulfilled promises - is a more viable and realistic long-term solution, need to start bigging us up.. .instead of continually putting us down?
Jay Harris
43 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:18:44
43 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:18:44
David # 39,
it is you with the financial naivety.
We made an operating profit until Kenwright took over and since then have made a loss every year since except when Rooney was sold.
There is 21 million a year of unexplained operating expenses.
Kenwright has sold or mortgaged every asset including future season ticket sales incurring huge interest charges every year.
The board spent 5 million in fees on a pipedream that was Kirkby when 15 million would have put 8500 extra seats in the Park end.
The board have cocked up numerous player departures including Gosling which have cost the club millions.
The board will not put one penny of their own money into the club and refuse to have a rights issue because it would dilute their shareholding.
EFC' merchandising and commmercial operations are notoriously bad, e.g. EFC2,Liverpool 1 was an afterthought due to supporter pressure and should have been set up for the capital of culture year.
by the board's own admission they have no plan for the club so we stagger from year to year rudderless except for Moyes.
Kenwright's lies and deceipt are legend and unacceptable from a chairman of EFC and people of influence around Merseyside will have nothing to do with him.
it is you with the financial naivety.
We made an operating profit until Kenwright took over and since then have made a loss every year since except when Rooney was sold.
There is 21 million a year of unexplained operating expenses.
Kenwright has sold or mortgaged every asset including future season ticket sales incurring huge interest charges every year.
The board spent 5 million in fees on a pipedream that was Kirkby when 15 million would have put 8500 extra seats in the Park end.
The board have cocked up numerous player departures including Gosling which have cost the club millions.
The board will not put one penny of their own money into the club and refuse to have a rights issue because it would dilute their shareholding.
EFC' merchandising and commmercial operations are notoriously bad, e.g. EFC2,Liverpool 1 was an afterthought due to supporter pressure and should have been set up for the capital of culture year.
by the board's own admission they have no plan for the club so we stagger from year to year rudderless except for Moyes.
Kenwright's lies and deceipt are legend and unacceptable from a chairman of EFC and people of influence around Merseyside will have nothing to do with him.
Sam Hoare
44 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:39:49
44 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:39:49
David Mockford- totally agree!!
I am not happy with many of the ways in which Kenwright go about their business but at least we have are still owned by people who care about the club and though are debt id not great it is much less than several around us. Also we have massively out performed in relation to expenditure on the team.
People need to be realistic about what could happen.
And as for those who say that Kenright has 'run this club into the ground'....behave yourselves!
I am not happy with many of the ways in which Kenwright go about their business but at least we have are still owned by people who care about the club and though are debt id not great it is much less than several around us. Also we have massively out performed in relation to expenditure on the team.
People need to be realistic about what could happen.
And as for those who say that Kenright has 'run this club into the ground'....behave yourselves!
Peter Laing
45 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:53:08
45 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:53:08
In response to Sam Hoare @44 so are you happy with the current strategy of selling a Rooney, Lescott, possibly a Rodwell or Fellaini, maybe even a Ross Barkley or whoever else is on the academy conveyor belt to service the debt and continue to tread water ? And how have we outperformed others - what have we actually won in the past 9 years ? Granted, David Moyes has brought stability to the Club, pound for pound he's a good man-manager, but is this really as good as it is going to get ?
David Booth
46 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:59:46
46 Posted 20/04/2011 at 13:59:46
Jay ? most intrigued by your transfer paragraph.
So far I think we have done nothing but benefit from off-loading Gosling from the wage bill ? a hugely overrated player who hasn't played more than a few minutes for Newcastle yet and may never return to fitness.
And just who are the other players whose departures were "cocked up"?
Mike Allison
47 Posted 20/04/2011 at 14:09:45
47 Posted 20/04/2011 at 14:09:45
Rob, (35 & 36) you're a disgrace. Don't you dare ever put words like that into someone else's mouth. He didn't say anything like what you've claimed and its disgusting that you've tried to paint him in that way.
Take your 'race card' and fuck off.
Take your 'race card' and fuck off.
Eugene Ruane
48 Posted 20/04/2011 at 14:28:32
48 Posted 20/04/2011 at 14:28:32
Paul Joy (31) - Hypocrite - 'person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings'.
I'll keep this simple.
If you can show me JUST ONE post from me (ever!) indicating that I think Kenwright ISN'T a cunt, please point it out.
If you can't, wind your fucking neck in, get off your THICK horse and buy a dictionary (poltroon!)
I'll keep this simple.
If you can show me JUST ONE post from me (ever!) indicating that I think Kenwright ISN'T a cunt, please point it out.
If you can't, wind your fucking neck in, get off your THICK horse and buy a dictionary (poltroon!)
Gavin Ramejkis
49 Posted 20/04/2011 at 16:11:36
49 Posted 20/04/2011 at 16:11:36
Jay #43 beat me too it, there are many more examples of the failures of the current setup at Everton as a business than there are of successes, any success on the pitch has not come via the acumen of BK or his board and for the last few seasons hasn't even been funded by it either and as per the fans forum won't be funded by it next season either.
Rob Teo
50 Posted 20/04/2011 at 16:01:56
50 Posted 20/04/2011 at 16:01:56
Mike #47:
Why shouldn't I question if I think someone could be spouting racist slurs on this website - or anywhere for that matter? If anything, I'll be a damned disgrace if I simply sit back and do NOT do anything about it.
By raising the issue and openly questioning Dick Dodds, by asking if he "care[d] to explain", if he cared to elaborate on "what...Everton's kind of people are" and "how Everton...is too precious to be sacrificed...for a shedload of rupees", if he could "please explain", I don't think I'm putting words into "someone else's mouth", but asking Dodds to EXPLAIN his derogatory remarks.
You're the disgrace for simply accepting that it's okay to term someone as "chicken pluckers". Chicken pluckers! Take your high society, superior social status card and fuck off!
Noel #40:
No, I did not know the back story about Blackburn's company as chicken-meat processors.
Fair call - my "backwater town" reference was probably uncalled for. But I'm not going to back down from my response to what I thought could be a racist slur. It may have not been intended as such, but I'll be damned if I let it slip by without questioning the intention behind it - especially on this site.
Why shouldn't I question if I think someone could be spouting racist slurs on this website - or anywhere for that matter? If anything, I'll be a damned disgrace if I simply sit back and do NOT do anything about it.
By raising the issue and openly questioning Dick Dodds, by asking if he "care[d] to explain", if he cared to elaborate on "what...Everton's kind of people are" and "how Everton...is too precious to be sacrificed...for a shedload of rupees", if he could "please explain", I don't think I'm putting words into "someone else's mouth", but asking Dodds to EXPLAIN his derogatory remarks.
You're the disgrace for simply accepting that it's okay to term someone as "chicken pluckers". Chicken pluckers! Take your high society, superior social status card and fuck off!
Noel #40:
No, I did not know the back story about Blackburn's company as chicken-meat processors.
Fair call - my "backwater town" reference was probably uncalled for. But I'm not going to back down from my response to what I thought could be a racist slur. It may have not been intended as such, but I'll be damned if I let it slip by without questioning the intention behind it - especially on this site.
Mike Allison
51 Posted 20/04/2011 at 17:38:59
51 Posted 20/04/2011 at 17:38:59
Don't kid yourself Rob, Richard (not Dick, by the way) said nothing racist and you chose to insinuate that he was a racist so you could manufacture a moral high ground for yourself.
If you don't know what kind of people Everton people are, knowledgeable, committed football fans who know their history and value the dignity of the club over splashing the cash on the latest mercenaries, then you need a lesson or three in what it means to be a blue.
And yes, you did put words in his mouth, you didn't just ask for him to explain, you wrote 'White people only?' and asked the highly leading question if it would be better if they were Roubles or Dollars, implying it was the brown-skinned Indians specifically that were a problem, rather than any overseas investor with no connection to the club. There was no racism contained in Richard's post, it was manufactured by you.
How am I a disgrace for accepting that its okay to term a chicken meat processor a 'chicken plucker'? I'm pretty sure plucking chickens is part of the process.
Go and try to be Martin Luther King somewhere else.
If you don't know what kind of people Everton people are, knowledgeable, committed football fans who know their history and value the dignity of the club over splashing the cash on the latest mercenaries, then you need a lesson or three in what it means to be a blue.
And yes, you did put words in his mouth, you didn't just ask for him to explain, you wrote 'White people only?' and asked the highly leading question if it would be better if they were Roubles or Dollars, implying it was the brown-skinned Indians specifically that were a problem, rather than any overseas investor with no connection to the club. There was no racism contained in Richard's post, it was manufactured by you.
How am I a disgrace for accepting that its okay to term a chicken meat processor a 'chicken plucker'? I'm pretty sure plucking chickens is part of the process.
Go and try to be Martin Luther King somewhere else.
Amit Vithlani
52 Posted 20/04/2011 at 17:53:12
52 Posted 20/04/2011 at 17:53:12
Rob Teo, just hang on a Chicken plucking minute. You are being a little raitha-ous for your own good. No need to Karahi over spilled milk. Doddy was being Doddy, but to accuse him of racism is just naan-sense. And the preachy nature of your post reminds me of the Madonna song: "Popadums don't preach".
Amit Vithlani
53 Posted 20/04/2011 at 18:06:39
53 Posted 20/04/2011 at 18:06:39
Actually, on a serious note its Chicken Pluckers rather than Indians who should be offended by Doddy's post. Feathers will fly, no doubt (Boom Boom!)
David Israel
54 Posted 20/04/2011 at 18:05:36
54 Posted 20/04/2011 at 18:05:36
Andy # 32, I think you've made a fair point. Perhaps this is indeed Moyes's way of calling the board's attention yet again to how he feels about the lack of funds.
Which increases my concern that he may walk in the summer. I don't think he's the greatest genius ever to grace the bench at Goodison, but he has brought stability to the club, in spite of everything.
Which increases my concern that he may walk in the summer. I don't think he's the greatest genius ever to grace the bench at Goodison, but he has brought stability to the club, in spite of everything.
Stephen Kenny
55 Posted 20/04/2011 at 19:39:00
55 Posted 20/04/2011 at 19:39:00
I'd take someone equally skint who had an honourable bone in their body and didn't feel the need to lie and cheat us. Whether he was next to Eddie Cavanagh at the Cup Final in 1966 makes no odds....
Eugene Ruane
56 Posted 20/04/2011 at 21:10:09
56 Posted 20/04/2011 at 21:10:09
Stephen Kenny - me too.
David Moorcroft
57 Posted 20/04/2011 at 21:14:49
57 Posted 20/04/2011 at 21:14:49
I would like like all the defenders of the LIAR and CONMAN who goes by the name of Kenwright to tell the rest of us True Blue Toffeewebers, What has he done that has been forward thinking and progressive to take our club to the next level. Just one thing please?
I can tell you loads of NOTHING he has done.
Gavin Ramejkis
58 Posted 20/04/2011 at 21:41:52
58 Posted 20/04/2011 at 21:41:52
Stephen #55 and Eugene #56 it wouldn't take a billionaire to remedy a poor business just someone with acumen and new ideas, even old proven ones that turn coin. BK's background is nothing more than a glorified ticket tout putting on short term shows, it doesn't need any strategic planning skills whatsoever just a Spiv with the gift of the gab who can call in some deals with mates.
Unfortunately it looks like BK has tried the same trick running Everton for over a decade, he destroyed a long standing friend and well and truly burnt that bridge, blagged another supposed "friend of the club" which will have made him financially burdened to one of the biggest tax fraudsters in the UK and his hare brained schemes have all fallen flat, where now? I too would rather have anyone, any shape size, creed, colour, nationality as long as they understand how to run a business.
Unfortunately it looks like BK has tried the same trick running Everton for over a decade, he destroyed a long standing friend and well and truly burnt that bridge, blagged another supposed "friend of the club" which will have made him financially burdened to one of the biggest tax fraudsters in the UK and his hare brained schemes have all fallen flat, where now? I too would rather have anyone, any shape size, creed, colour, nationality as long as they understand how to run a business.
David Moorcroft
59 Posted 20/04/2011 at 22:27:47
59 Posted 20/04/2011 at 22:27:47
Well come on,... You defenders of your so-called Blue Bill, the saviour of EFC. Where are your examples of his good deeds? As I said, just give us one example please!
Martin Mason
60 Posted 20/04/2011 at 22:27:14
60 Posted 20/04/2011 at 22:27:14
I can see exactly what Moyes meant and in many ways I agree with him. A football club has to be run as an ongoing business and it has to be done without the unlikely dream scenario of somebody coming along with more money than sense. For long term sustainability, growth has to be organic from within and I like it that Everton FC is run on a business model that is sustainable and also succesful within the constraints that sustainability imposes.
Do I want Everton to be run by a transient sugar daddy like City are, or financed by massive debt like United and Liverpool, or an oligarch like Chelsea? No I don't. I quite like the idea of Everton being run by Evertonians who have only the long-term well being of Everton at heart.
We need to sort out the ground issue so that we can have a stadium that can generate the additional income that we desperately need. Arsenal are the model that I look up to and I absolutely believe that Moyes is our Wenger. Everton has the potential to be a massive club again, we have phenomenal fans and we need stability and a common purpose to achieve the aims that we all want.
In the absence of alternatives I'll support the club and its current management to the hilt and would be prepared to invest what little I could to help us achieve these aims. That's what supporters surely need to do?
David Booth
61 Posted 20/04/2011 at 22:42:19
61 Posted 20/04/2011 at 22:42:19
Martin Mason - hear hear.
We should all be Evertonians above everything else.
More money would be wonderful, but it's killing the game and reckless, indiscriminate pursuit of it will kill our club as we know it.
Time will change. British football will change.
When it does, I hope Everton still stands for something - when everyone else has sold their soul and prostituted themselves in pursuit of filthy lucre.
I fervently hope we will still be run by Evertonians, not some faceless chartlatan from Asia, the Middle East, Russia or the USA.
This clamour for a 'billionnaire' to appear like Santa and throw millions into a transfer kitty is just fanciful. And I for one, do not want it.
This is my club. I feel it belongs to me and I am proud of that sentiment.
I'd rather be an Evertonian than a Chelsea or Manchester City fan. Am I alone in cherishing such values?
We should all be Evertonians above everything else.
More money would be wonderful, but it's killing the game and reckless, indiscriminate pursuit of it will kill our club as we know it.
Time will change. British football will change.
When it does, I hope Everton still stands for something - when everyone else has sold their soul and prostituted themselves in pursuit of filthy lucre.
I fervently hope we will still be run by Evertonians, not some faceless chartlatan from Asia, the Middle East, Russia or the USA.
This clamour for a 'billionnaire' to appear like Santa and throw millions into a transfer kitty is just fanciful. And I for one, do not want it.
This is my club. I feel it belongs to me and I am proud of that sentiment.
I'd rather be an Evertonian than a Chelsea or Manchester City fan. Am I alone in cherishing such values?
David Moorcroft
62 Posted 20/04/2011 at 22:59:32
62 Posted 20/04/2011 at 22:59:32
Martin and David respectively, when you say long term sustainability, what do you mean? Do you mean, every time the supporters are revolting, we go to the banks begging for the funds to buy a player on the last day of a window?
This regime is putting us more into debt every single time we have brought a new player in with a new bank loan. They have not got a clue how to make our club financially sustainable over the next 10 years. They are living hand to mouth. Day by day. Now they have got Mr Moyes saying £50 million would probably do to make us a much better team. If that's not desperation, I don't know what is....
You say you don't want any arab or sugar daddy as you say, but what about the Gooners with Stan the man. We are being treated like outsiders by the people who own EFC. As I asked before, one example of what they have done progressive or good for our club? Your response was typical of the Kenwright supporters.
Brian Denton
63 Posted 20/04/2011 at 23:10:29
63 Posted 20/04/2011 at 23:10:29
Not alone, David.
Dennis Stevens
64 Posted 20/04/2011 at 23:22:33
64 Posted 20/04/2011 at 23:22:33
Is there a clamour for the club to be taken over by billionaires? I know Kenwright's mentioned it in the past. However, I think many supporters are just wanting the Board to do a better job & have now come to the conclusion that the only way that's likely to happen is if there are changes at Board level - & that probably means a take-over.
David Moorcroft
65 Posted 21/04/2011 at 00:02:00
65 Posted 21/04/2011 at 00:02:00
Dennis ? you are 100% right. But I am afraid they have missed the boat. I don't know if anybody heard a couple of months ago, the leader of the labour group in Knowsley took a phone call from Robert Earl; panic-stricken trying to resurrect the Kirkby deal. She told him she could only take the instructions that he was telling her that she could only take those instructions from the chairman, namely Kenwright. So, who really does own our club?
David Israel
66 Posted 21/04/2011 at 00:41:41
66 Posted 21/04/2011 at 00:41:41
Some people (e.g., Martin #60 and David #61) seem to think that we only have two alternatives: either Bill Kenwright or some Russian crook or Arab oilman.
Well, I've got news for you: the world isn't made of black-and-white. I go back to the days ? and I'm not the only one around here who does ? when Everton were derided by some people for being "the Mersey Millionaires", when Sir John Moores ran the club with a firm hand and a great deal of business acumen. He did have a lot of money, but more than that, he knew how to run a business and a football club. That is a sharp contrast to what we have today.
Well, I've got news for you: the world isn't made of black-and-white. I go back to the days ? and I'm not the only one around here who does ? when Everton were derided by some people for being "the Mersey Millionaires", when Sir John Moores ran the club with a firm hand and a great deal of business acumen. He did have a lot of money, but more than that, he knew how to run a business and a football club. That is a sharp contrast to what we have today.
Jay Harris
67 Posted 21/04/2011 at 01:52:03
67 Posted 21/04/2011 at 01:52:03
Spot on David #68.
John Moores would have emptied this lot out years ago.
Not one anti Kenwright poster has suggested we need a billionaire.
I would also ask any Kenwright supporter to explain why he refuses to have a rights issue.
Could it be that he has already mortgaged the club and his soul to the tax evader and his sidekick.
John Moores would have emptied this lot out years ago.
Not one anti Kenwright poster has suggested we need a billionaire.
I would also ask any Kenwright supporter to explain why he refuses to have a rights issue.
Could it be that he has already mortgaged the club and his soul to the tax evader and his sidekick.
Martin Mason
68 Posted 21/04/2011 at 07:17:21
68 Posted 21/04/2011 at 07:17:21
Sorry, I never meant to insinuate that Kenwright or any other individual was the only answer for long term sustainability.
I don't know the full story and I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm not sure why they don't raise capital via a share issue.
I don't know the full story and I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'm not sure why they don't raise capital via a share issue.
Andy Crooks
69 Posted 21/04/2011 at 09:44:20
69 Posted 21/04/2011 at 09:44:20
Mike Allison, I actually agree with you about something. I've said many unkind things about Richard Dodd but calling him racist really is absurd.
Dennis Stevens
70 Posted 21/04/2011 at 11:10:41
70 Posted 21/04/2011 at 11:10:41
David, if the boat we've missed is DK then it's one that was holed below the water-line whilst still at the planning stage. My concern is that the only plan our current Board have is to wait for another opportunity to foist a similar scheme on the club. I suspect this may be their exit strategy rather than a master-plan to return the club to it's former glories.
Richard Harris
71 Posted 21/04/2011 at 11:29:55
71 Posted 21/04/2011 at 11:29:55
Andy Morden (32) on the new cult/religion of Doddism. Jimmie Dodd from the Mickey Mouse Club was known for his 'Doddisms'. These are his views on vision :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JfgGIHv-mo
Could he be talking about our good buddies, Bill Kenwright and Richard Dodd :0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JfgGIHv-mo
Could he be talking about our good buddies, Bill Kenwright and Richard Dodd :0)
David Crowe
72 Posted 21/04/2011 at 11:44:22
72 Posted 21/04/2011 at 11:44:22
He is right in that, from his point of view, he has the right Chairman at the club who gives him the trust to make decisions and control of the squad but just doesn't have the money. However, treatment of the fans, something Moyes probably wouldn't be too familiar with, is shoddy imo and changes must be made.
Rob Teo
73 Posted 21/04/2011 at 11:59:25
73 Posted 21/04/2011 at 11:59:25
Mike Allison,
Don't kid yourself into thinking you know what it means to be a blue more than anyone else. We're all Everton supporters on this site. I don't see you as a better or worse supporter than me, and I don't see how you could think otherwise.
As for the rest of your post, I can't be arsed with it. You read what you chose to read from my posts, as did I from Dodds' post. That is all.
Don't kid yourself into thinking you know what it means to be a blue more than anyone else. We're all Everton supporters on this site. I don't see you as a better or worse supporter than me, and I don't see how you could think otherwise.
As for the rest of your post, I can't be arsed with it. You read what you chose to read from my posts, as did I from Dodds' post. That is all.
Jamie Barlow
74 Posted 21/04/2011 at 19:02:05
74 Posted 21/04/2011 at 19:02:05
You read it wrong Rob. You should apologise to Richard.
Jim Lloyd
75 Posted 21/04/2011 at 22:58:15
75 Posted 21/04/2011 at 22:58:15
This is an interesting thread with many good observations. Personally, I'm just waiting for someone to answer Dave Moorcroft's question. "Just what has Billy Boy done for us??"
Rob Teo
76 Posted 22/04/2011 at 03:05:07
76 Posted 22/04/2011 at 03:05:07
Ah, you're right, Jamie. I forgot about that.
Richard Dodd, my sincerest apologies. I really did read your comments as a possible racist slur, and my intention was to ask you to explain them. However, in the process of doing so, I cast you as a racist without knowing the full context and without giving you the benefit of the doubt and waiting for your response. That was simply uncalled for. I am sorry.
Rob
Richard Dodd, my sincerest apologies. I really did read your comments as a possible racist slur, and my intention was to ask you to explain them. However, in the process of doing so, I cast you as a racist without knowing the full context and without giving you the benefit of the doubt and waiting for your response. That was simply uncalled for. I am sorry.
Rob
Matt Compton
77 Posted 22/04/2011 at 12:01:05
77 Posted 22/04/2011 at 12:01:05
As we have done over the years, we need to rely on Moyes to get us out the shit. By and large he's done a good job in this regard but must get our start to the season sorted.
This summer is leading towards a prized asset being sold to fund 2 or 3 players in. That's likely to be Rodwell or Fellaini. Plus some fringe players are probably going to be sold and subsidised by free to low-value players.
This in my view is what the board should be telling Moyes. There'll be no more borrowing, you've got playing staff worth value... wheel and deal.
Meanwhile the current board should also be more radical in their approach. A rights issue wouldn't go amiss in the short term and some honesty over the value they're holding out for.
It's obvious Kenwright and Co are holding out to make a handsome profit, that's not real fan behaviour (making up for apparently no cash being taken out the coffers for wages?). It's the only sensible long term approach he's adopted so he does have some strategy but it's for himself.
This summer is leading towards a prized asset being sold to fund 2 or 3 players in. That's likely to be Rodwell or Fellaini. Plus some fringe players are probably going to be sold and subsidised by free to low-value players.
This in my view is what the board should be telling Moyes. There'll be no more borrowing, you've got playing staff worth value... wheel and deal.
Meanwhile the current board should also be more radical in their approach. A rights issue wouldn't go amiss in the short term and some honesty over the value they're holding out for.
It's obvious Kenwright and Co are holding out to make a handsome profit, that's not real fan behaviour (making up for apparently no cash being taken out the coffers for wages?). It's the only sensible long term approach he's adopted so he does have some strategy but it's for himself.
Ernie Baywood
78 Posted 22/04/2011 at 12:54:16
78 Posted 22/04/2011 at 12:54:16
Not sure what people are so upset with Moyes for. He's said that if Kenwright had some money he'd be a good owner, but he doesn't and we probably need new owners to get money into the club.
So we go into another thread of amateur accountancy riddled with conspiracy theories aimed at discrediting Kenwright. Someone even thinks the Glazers have been better for Man Utd. Impossible to enter an argument with that kind of thinking.
So we go into another thread of amateur accountancy riddled with conspiracy theories aimed at discrediting Kenwright. Someone even thinks the Glazers have been better for Man Utd. Impossible to enter an argument with that kind of thinking.
Jay Harris
79 Posted 22/04/2011 at 13:27:08
79 Posted 22/04/2011 at 13:27:08
Ernie,
I think Man Utd's trophy cabinet and 75,000-seater stadium speak for themselves and to think at the start of the Premier League we were level pegging with Utd.
The Glaziers might not be popular but they've sure as hell achieved significantly more than our board.
I think Man Utd's trophy cabinet and 75,000-seater stadium speak for themselves and to think at the start of the Premier League we were level pegging with Utd.
The Glaziers might not be popular but they've sure as hell achieved significantly more than our board.
Gavin Ramejkis
80 Posted 22/04/2011 at 17:03:56
80 Posted 22/04/2011 at 17:03:56
Ernie, can you point out the amateur accountancy as I'm buggered if I can see any, if you mean pointing out the obvious lack of investment in the club beyond shares and documented evidence that not one of the major shareholders will spend a penny of their own money on the club or dilute their shareholdings then all of that is fairly common knowledge.
If you want to bring some accountancy or any other evidence you have to credit BK then bring it on as I'd love to see it and the basis it is made with. Dave Moorcroft asked pretty much the same question and yet not a peep from any of BK's lickspittles.
If you want to bring some accountancy or any other evidence you have to credit BK then bring it on as I'd love to see it and the basis it is made with. Dave Moorcroft asked pretty much the same question and yet not a peep from any of BK's lickspittles.
Lewis Barclay
81 Posted 22/04/2011 at 19:22:35
81 Posted 22/04/2011 at 19:22:35
I'm gonna get slagged for this...
I totally agree with Moyes on this:
Kenwright and Moyes are the right people.
We just need a cash injection and a clever developer to see what the others can't in Goodison.
Oh and to get rid of Anichibwassiface.
[unrelated] What has happend to Go[o]sling this year by the way? Bag a shite. that milk was cleared up quickly wasn't it.
I totally agree with Moyes on this:
Kenwright and Moyes are the right people.
We just need a cash injection and a clever developer to see what the others can't in Goodison.
Oh and to get rid of Anichibwassiface.
[unrelated] What has happend to Go[o]sling this year by the way? Bag a shite. that milk was cleared up quickly wasn't it.
Ste Traverse
82 Posted 22/04/2011 at 22:21:20
82 Posted 22/04/2011 at 22:21:20
Lewis.
Given Kenwright has made cock-up after cock-up during his disasterous tenure,who in their right mind would give us a cash injection and let that bungling fool do what he wants with it?
Given Kenwright has made cock-up after cock-up during his disasterous tenure,who in their right mind would give us a cash injection and let that bungling fool do what he wants with it?
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1 Posted 19/04/2011 at 20:58:08
Excuse me? Positively Orwellian Doublespeak. If you don't disappear up your own fundament working it out, I think he's actually saying he accepts that we need new owners because that's typically the only way to get new investment. However, in his opinion that's a shame as he thinks the current owners are very good. In which case why not just say that!
BTW, Davie, you are in an increasing minority if you believe the current owners are up to the job.