Season › 2012-13 › News Pienaar plays in Spurs friendly Michael Kenrick , 18 July, 56comments | Jump to most recent Stephen Pienaar played out the first half for Spurs this evening in a pre-season friendly at Stevenage, casting some doubt over the certainty of his impending move to Everton. The South African was booed by the Spurs faithful according to accounts, no doubt a consequence of his stated desire to return to Goodison and his praise for Chelsea on Twitter when they won the Champions League in May, a result that denied Tottenham a place in that competition next season. The Daily Post report, though, that negotiations over a fee for the midfielder continue at boardroom level but a deal is not as imminent as previously believed. Quotes or other material sourced from The Comet Reader Comments (56) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer Mark Riding 1 Posted 18/07/2012 at 20:26:34 Pienaar is playing for Spurs tonight... seems he is dead keen to join us? Brian Waring 2 Posted 18/07/2012 at 20:36:02 Its a bit of a joke in regards to Pienaar now Mark, supposedly he wants to come, we want him, so why is it dragging out? John Crook 3 Posted 18/07/2012 at 20:48:27 I was surprised to hear about Pienaar tonight... if the deal is close to being done, as widely reported, I don't see why he is playing tonight even though it's only a friendly. Mark Lennon 4 Posted 18/07/2012 at 20:52:50 Yep I think you're right about Pienaar.... another dose of indecision from our ever reliable Board! Mark Riding 5 Posted 18/07/2012 at 20:54:47 Brian, agents and money... Pienaar went for the money, he won't come back for less than he is on at Spurs. Let's hope he doesen't get injured tonight! We will all look a bit daft then, won't we... Phil Davies 6 Posted 18/07/2012 at 21:00:06 I hate to say it but there also hasn't been an real confirmation that we are in talks to bring Pienarr back, Andre Villas Boas might have told him to stay, we're all really going off sources and ITK's telling us We're in talks. Ian Bennett 7 Posted 18/07/2012 at 21:00:40 Mark – He's playing as he's a Spurs player, and without an accepted bid will remain so. Berbatov has scored but wants out.It would seem the odd one out is where is Mr Yobo? Mark Tanton 8 Posted 18/07/2012 at 21:15:14 The Pienaar thing will take time, and be frustrating, it's just the Everton way of doing business isn't it? Other clubs seem to identify someone, make a bid, make a second if neccesary and then agree personal terms all before David Moyes and Kenwright have even finished their breakfast. I remember reading Nigel Martyn saying it took weeks, and nothing short of a full psychological profiling and criminal records check before the club brought him in. Mike Green 9 Posted 18/07/2012 at 21:19:27 Every contract negotiation we've had with Pienaar has been 'prolonged', my gut feel is this is as much down to him as anyone else. As for Moyes's transfer dealings folks, let's be right: he's not done badly FFS. Anthony Manning 10 Posted 19/07/2012 at 00:08:33 I was under the impression it was a done deal to sign him, does anyone know what`s going on? Peter Thistle 11 Posted 19/07/2012 at 04:54:08 It's not looking as clear cut a deal as we had been led to believe. I don't expect anything positive to happen any time soon. Need to cross our fingers and be patient... Jay Harris 12 Posted 19/07/2012 at 05:54:59 Well he certainly wasnt shopping in Liverpool 1 today then was he? Peter Barry 13 Posted 19/07/2012 at 06:17:47 As I have said previously if we pay Spurs MORE to get Pienaar back than they paid for him then it will just expose the sublime STUPIDITY of our Manager and Board when we could have kept him by using the funds to simply up his wages as he requested. Oh and please no stupid 'he wanted to go' and 'we had to sell him' comments. Because if the MONEY GRUBBER really DID want to go, who's to say he won't cut and run again in the future if he gets a better offer? Pienaar does not love Everton – he loves the MONEY. David Barks 14 Posted 19/07/2012 at 06:49:02 Peter,You contradict yourself in your own post mate. Try again. Which is it? Does Pienaar love the money and therefore demanded to move, meaning the Manager and Board did the best they could by selling him for something? Or is it stupid to say "he wanted to go and we had to sell him"? Pick your argument; which do you believe? If it is the way you end your post, that Pienaar just loves the money, which is true for just about every human being by the way, then the Manager did the best he could to sell him for something knowing we couldn't match his wage demands. Or is that too much sense for you to comprehend? Gareth Fieldstead 15 Posted 19/07/2012 at 07:11:40 According to Prentice, Phil, he was informed by the club that discussions were advanced. It seems that the club enjoy making this guy look a fool. I'm surprised that Pienaar was anywhere near that game last night. If he is not in AVB plans, why is he even bothering to play him? He should be training with the youth team, if anything. As you pointed out, Mark, we just love dithering. When other clubs target, they offer a price and commence contract talks with the players' agent. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't make a return. By the way David (668) any need for personal insults? Peter was only pointing out that Pienaar hardly left the club in a blaze of glory in 2011 did he? No guarantee of first team football and as his experience has shown, I dont think he started a first team game in the Premier League whilst he was at Spurs... hardly left us to further his career, has he? Peter O'Connor 16 Posted 19/07/2012 at 07:45:32 We shouldn't be even thinking of using any of our tiny transfer fund kitty for 30-year-old player. Tom Rowe 17 Posted 19/07/2012 at 08:08:25 This may sound rediculous to you guys, but maybe, just maybe.. It could be preseason and he's trying to get fit for when the season starts? Tom Dodds 18 Posted 19/07/2012 at 08:16:13 He was played to hurry us up! Danny Burke 19 Posted 19/07/2012 at 08:18:33 Outrageous display of common sense Tom. He also played in the FA cup hours before he came back on loan. No bearing on if he comes or not. That said, I wish the club would hurry the hell up and sort the deal. Paul Jamieson 20 Posted 19/07/2012 at 08:21:05 Has anyone ever considered that yet again we're too skint to even spend £5m - until Baines is sold that is! Ernie Baywood 21 Posted 19/07/2012 at 08:28:10 The significant thing might be the boos.You don't get that with us Steven, come home. Peter Thistle 22 Posted 19/07/2012 at 08:28:08 Maybe we are trying to thrash out a deal offering future payments rather than a lump sum up front ( cos we're skint ) and Spurs and going for it. It's our M.O. Kieran Fitzgerald 24 Posted 19/07/2012 at 08:42:38 I think it's a case of Spurs going 'show us the money then Bill'. Also, the is no point in AVB cutting off his nose to spite his face. AVB is just in the door at Spurs and needs to assess everything. Fair enough, he might be giving the impression that Pienaar is not in his plans. But if we are the only club showing an interest and nothing is confirmed yet, then AVB might as well keep an eye on Pienaar as not. He might be stuck with him come the end of August. Alan Clarke 25 Posted 19/07/2012 at 09:06:35 Last night was one of two things:1. Spurs saying to Everton, pay up or he stays with us, or2. Spurs saying to Pienaar drop your wage demands / don't try and get a pay off from us and sign for Everton or you can rot in the reserves.One thing I don't get about these ITKs is why they state with such authority that they know. They may know of interest from clubs in players but anyone who's actually involved in a deal isn't going to be putting it all over twitter. It's like being at school and some kid saying 'I've got a secret, I've got a secret ner ner ner ner ner. Does anyone want to know my secret? I'll tell you if you be my friend and give me lots of attention.'I remember hearing from a physio who was sorting my back out at the time that her mate was one of the Everton physios who said Steven Taylor was booked in for a medical. Obviously he never signed and I don't know whether he even had a medical. If only I'd known about twitter at the time, I could have been one of these ITKs and had lots friends! Mark Dunford 26 Posted 19/07/2012 at 09:25:45 Agree with Ernie. The reception Pienaar received is probably the most significant aspect of this and should convince AvB that this is only going in one direction. Redknapp left Spurs in a mess and they need to quickly to reshape their squad - in fact, they already have signed two players and badly need a forward. As Alan points out, they're probably trying to force Everton and Pienaar's hand. For once, I think the glass is half full and this deal is more likely to happen than not Michael Brooks 28 Posted 19/07/2012 at 09:47:22 Paul 676, you have hit the nail on the head, theres no money!!!!Old Bill wont make the same mistake he made last summer by telling people that we must sell first! However, nothing at all has changed, so there is no money!!!Nobody should worry, it will come out sooner or later that there are three interested parties and talks are on-going! Nottingham Forest have been sold, so someone please tell me why hasnt Everton! Tony Cheek 29 Posted 19/07/2012 at 09:53:54 Spurs have had quite a few players in action in Euro12, so they might just be playing with what they had available. Although its not a positive that he played, it still does not mean he wont be joining us....fingers crossed! Shane Corcoran 30 Posted 19/07/2012 at 09:50:01 I don't see the relevance of him playing. Everton have often brought players on pre-season who were all but certain of leaving. The bit about buying him back for more than we sold him doesn't make sense to me either. He was going to go for free last summer had we not cashed in for £ 2.5m. Now he's presumably in the middle of a 3-4 year contact and so Spurs should rightly be looking for a higher fee, albeit that he's 18 months older. Look at it from Spurs' point of view. Why would they deal any differently? I agree that Pienaar doesn't love Everton, but which player does? Hibbert and we know the thanks he gets. When Pienaar puts on the blue jersey he gives his all and he never professed to love anything except God. That's good enough for me. Peter Barry 31 Posted 19/07/2012 at 09:55:14 No contradiction at all, David Barks (#668). Pienaar is all about MONEY — he demanded wage parity with Arteta and we refused so they let him go. To now even consider taking him back again at a price in EXCESS of what we sold him for and to most probably pay him the wages we REFUSED to pay him before he left is INCOMPETENT INSANITY on behalf of Moyes and the Everton Board — and MONEY GRUBBING on behalf of Pienaar. Peter Barry 32 Posted 19/07/2012 at 10:00:04 If we sell Baines to buy Pienaar that will just confirm in my mind the STUPIDITY of David Moyes and the Everton board. Ciarán McGlone 33 Posted 19/07/2012 at 09:53:22 Who cares...An average ageing player who lacks any redeeming features as a human being. He is not the Messiah... he's a very... Shane Corcoran 34 Posted 19/07/2012 at 10:05:04 Peter, what's with the capital letters? We can read the little letters as well as the big ones. How do you know what Pienaar demanded? See my point above on buying him back for more than we sold him. The reason we've been able to get such high fees for players such as Lescott is because we tied them to long contracts which the purchaser needs to buy out. I'm sure the decision will be a simple one from Everton. Is he worth the transfer fee & wages relative to our overall budget and needs for the squad? If not, then we move on. Keith Glazzard 35 Posted 19/07/2012 at 10:26:12 Just watched the Barkley compilation (vs Greece U19 - see miscellany) and it makes me wonder, should the need arise, if he could replace Pienaar. He'd never see that much of the ball in a Prem game, but some of his touches, and his work rate, were very reminiscent of the SA lad. Bobby Mallon 36 Posted 19/07/2012 at 10:48:59 Once again... pre-season and who have we signed? I hate the way Everton do business. Pienaar is wanted, he is needed... buy the lad now. Also, people coming on here saying don't spend the money on a 30-year-old – are you mad? He is in his prime: 4 years left in him! Imagine if Pirlo or Seedorf played in this country, they would be put out to pasture by people on here who think 30 is the next 50. I just hope that this season the board are forced out of this club and it is sold. Leeds Utd are getting bought now before us... I hope as fans we slaughter Kenwright and his cronies. Colin Malone 37 Posted 19/07/2012 at 11:37:25 The lad has a contract with Spurs at this present time. If they say go and play for the B team, he has to do it. If he refuses, he's breaking his contract with the club. Come on people, let keep our glasses half-full for the time being. Phil Sammon 38 Posted 19/07/2012 at 11:50:27 @Keith. I watched the game mate and he was good in patches. There was also a 5 minute spell where he was woeful. I have every confidence he will become a great player...but I don't think he can fill Pienaar's boots yet. @Peter. INTERESTING points. All of which are NEGATIVE and it seems you have it in for the CLUB. And is 'grubbing' a WORD? Matt Traynor 39 Posted 19/07/2012 at 12:14:08 I don't understand why people are getting bent out of shape over this. He's still their player, so he should be available. Like RvP for Arsenal, until something concrete materialises, you're part of the squad.People forget that on deadline day when we signed him back on loan, he was on the bench for Spurs in an evening match.And since when has "Everton being interested" equated to a "Done deal"? Nick Wall 40 Posted 19/07/2012 at 12:23:30 We learned two things last night :1. The transfer's not been concluded, and nothing's going to happen imminently.2. Don't trust any anonymous rumours that you read on twitter or internet forums. People spout, and pass on, an incredible amount of garbage, especially when expectations are high. If anything real is happening, we'll find out about it soon enough from the media and known sources. Dave Weston 41 Posted 19/07/2012 at 13:34:39 Maybe Pienaar is using his nut – by keeping his options open in case a deal cannot be done. By playing, at least his name is in AVB's mind somewhere and he does actually still belong to Spurs and is not just cast aside, plus of course he could just be trying to get match fit as early as possible, no matter which club he is with. Tom Bowers 42 Posted 19/07/2012 at 14:11:37 Pienaar is an asset to any club and I would think Spurs will want to keep him if Modric is destined to go. AVB may just give Pienaar the opportunities he didn't get from Harry. That would be Everton's loss judging by the form he was in last season.Unless AVB has other ideas about Pienaar then Everton may only have another loan in mind considering the money squeeze. Sam Hoare 43 Posted 19/07/2012 at 14:20:24 In a strange way I've almost missed Peter Barry.Agree with Nick Wall: all last night proves is that the deal has not yet been concluded. More than likely, the club that is skint (us) is trying to persuade the man who always likes to make profit (Daniel Levy) that they should sell him back to us for around £3M rather than around £5M. I would be a little surprised if this deal does not come off sooner or later but it might depend on how stubborn both sides are. Jem Traynor 44 Posted 19/07/2012 at 14:45:29 Surely AVB wanted to have a look at him and see IF he'll fit into his plans? But, with the fans booing him coupled with his desire to leave, it should make it a no-brainer now only the fee needs to be agreed?? More questions raised here than answered... Kristian Boyce 45 Posted 19/07/2012 at 15:46:24 As others have mentioned, in the end of the day he's still a Spurs player and they can play him if they want. Looking at the team sheet from the game yesterday, it was made up of mostly fringe and reserve players. I think this was the first opportunity AVB has had to actually see what he's got at his dispense in an actual game setting, not just on the training field. Also the international players who he is properly familiar with probably aren't back training yet. Moyes & Pienaar himself have both stated that they want him back and Spurs have indicated he can go, but unfortunately things do take time, and in some cases things don't go to plan. I wouldn't be surprised if AVB played him in-case the deal back to us fell through for some reason. Like I said before the game gave him an opportunity to see if he would have any sort of future at the club, but also it put him in the shop window for other teams as well.I actually think everything has been agreed, but the hold up is Everton trying to get the money to pay for the deal. I've got a feeling that this is from the delay of the Yobo deal. I would imagine the money from that will go straight to Spurs, but obviously the Turks aren't playing ball at the moment. Mike Powell 46 Posted 19/07/2012 at 16:08:27 It's all speculation – no-one knows what's going on. Pienaar came back to us on loan because he could not get a game for Spurs – no other reason. Don't forget – he got offered a new deal and refused to sign it. I would love him back but, if he is hanging on for a better deal, then no thanks. I bet if someone comes in with a better deal, he will be off like a shot... Michael Kenrick Editorial Team 47 Posted 19/07/2012 at 16:37:13 I agree with Phil (703) that Peter Barry's use of CAPITALS seems somewhat unnecessary. But he has taught me something: 'money-grubbing' IS the correct term (ref: Cambridge Dictionary Online). It seems to be favoured over the alternative (and I thought much more common) 'money-grabbing'. Kevin Day 48 Posted 19/07/2012 at 17:30:16 I think there is a big point being missed here, a lot of first team players from all clubs are still on extended leave from the euro's, ours included, he may of just been required to make up the numbers. Keith Glazzard 49 Posted 19/07/2012 at 17:32:19 Good heavens Michael, where was you brung up? I always carry my Chambers with me just in case of such emergencies, because the English speakers' tendency to change words to a more familiar form is very common. Terms like cheap-skate become cheap-stake, and so on.We all potentially have something wrong with our vowels. Alan Clarke 50 Posted 19/07/2012 at 17:43:06 Michael could you look up the dictionary definition of 'No-brainer'. I see this term being used more and more and as I never went to school in America, I'm not sure what it means. Si Cooper 51 Posted 19/07/2012 at 19:41:32 I try to say abreast of these things but honestly can't remember Pienaar having recently stated that he was committed to a move back to Goodison (I was recently pilloried for being naive enough to suggest that a player could ever countenance operating in such an open and upfront manner), or having seen a statement from Spurs that he is now considered surplus to requirements. I would be grateful if anyone could direct me to such a quote. We can all see the sense of bringing him back given his performances as an Everton player and the relative wealth of alternatives for AVB, but all we have recently (that I am aware of) is the player saying he would be talking to AVB about his likely involvement at Spurs and David Moyes saying as far as he was concerned Pienaar was chomping at the bit to come back and he expected the deal to be done in short order (so much for playing our cards close to our chest).The Spurs fans could easily have been booing him for the Chelsea congrats which to them must surely be a much more heinous 'crime' than wanting to spend your best years actually appearing on the pitch.Pienaar is wanted here and I expect it will happen eventually. My concerns are that we will have to pay more than we can really afford to get him and that it could all still go 'pear shaped' if he is convicted of assault in South Africa. The thought that there may be another club interested in him (Michael Brooks #687) worries me greatly! Vinny Garstrokes 52 Posted 19/07/2012 at 20:07:39 Nice to see we are starting off on such a positive note!!Peter (#691) — do you really think Baines wants to stay? And for my bit, I would not buy anything that may or may not be spending time out of the country to stand trial for an assault charge until the matter is concluded one way or another. That is just sensible isn't it!!! Ian Mackenzie 53 Posted 19/07/2012 at 20:59:19 May be something or nothing but Peanut's Twitter home page is showing his home location as "Liverpool, England"...... Mike Manchester 54 Posted 20/07/2012 at 00:35:09 By taking our time over this deal, we are forcing Pienaar's price down as, if the Spurs fans are booing him, the club have a weaker hand in his valuation. Also, we are saving his probable £70k-a-week wages, just one month of which equates to over £¼M. That's my thinking. Peter Barry 55 Posted 20/07/2012 at 05:30:55 @ Phil Sammon # 703 I dont have it in for Everton at all I have it in for the useless, tactically inept, big game bottler Manager and the lying, I'm trying 24/7 to sell the club, owner BK. Its because I love Everton so much and know what we have been and could be again that I can't stand to watch what this useless bunch are doing to a such proud club with a distinguished past. Peter Barry 56 Posted 20/07/2012 at 05:36:59 Shane Corcoran # 693 asks how do I know thats what Pienaar demanded . Well I personally dont have any first hand knowledge but that is for sure the excuse Everton FC trotted out when they sold him. @ Vinny Garstrokes # 772 No I dont know if Baines wants to stay or not do you? But my comment still stands if we sell Baines to buy Pienaar, a pair who are at their most effective playing together, then that is insanity. Eric Myles 57 Posted 20/07/2012 at 07:05:09 Ian #782, that could start a rumour that he's signing for the RS!!!! Steve Cotton 58 Posted 20/07/2012 at 08:47:14 Everton don't have a pot to piss in, let's be honest, Davey wants Steven back as his first priority only because he could see what a piss poor side we were playing: Osman on the left wing.Bills priority is paying Barclays a chunk back that they demanded and even considering we have let 6 payers leave and have sold 3 others he is hoping we can get down to 26 fit players and that should do the first team and rezzies.I am sure when Bill played in the Zingari there was only one sub allowed so why do we need more...Meanwhile, that lot over the park who spent £120 million last year already have a pot of about £30 mill to go on this season's failures.. 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