Everton pull out of Java Cup

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I've seen much bigger tournaments and events than this cancelled for a variety of reasons, with responsibility down to organisers, governments or shady agents. In this day and age there's a lot of reputational risk and the club is on show to fans, governments, and current / potential sponsors, even buyers. It's no longer a case of the lads going on the piss for a few days for a kick about and a round of golf with some businessmen.

Come on guys, get a grip, get real, or go and piss on someone else´s bonfire.

Just look at last night's friendly between QPR and Persebaya 1927 Surabaya. The (new) stadium is less than a kilometer from the local rubbish tip – the smell travels much farther – and there were three blackouts because the organizers chose to use generators instead of the local power grid.

LPIS, like many others here, specializes in promising much and delivering little. It was just Everton's bad luck to get caught up in their shenanigans.

Contracts will have been signed, and Everton will have given the organisers every opportunity to get things right, but there comes a decision point. As an example, there was supposed to be a big tennis exhibition tournament in Penang, Malaysia a couple of years back. They spent money on building a temporary stadium, all the marketing etc. but the players were prevented boarding planes to fly there as the payment to the rights holder hadn't been made. Organisers were blaming government officials, vice versa.

It could've been over money, accommodation, security or anything. But having seen it done first hand, when we were in minibuses escorted with outriders to get to the stadium (the only time I've ever gone above 15mph in Jakarta) it's probably more likely the organiser was trying to do it on the cheap.

You can be dealing with middle men and lots of suppliers with these things, it only needs one to fuck it up.

And ask why we should be playing in Indonesia, or Asia in general? Where do you think all the new money is coming from? The growth in overseas broadcast, the emergence of new sponsors? Arsenal played in Indonesia last season (Fabregas was there!), and have a soccer school in Singapore, and new ones springing up in China. Probably not going to find the next Park Ji Sung, but they don't cost anything - in fact they generate license payments, and everyone knows who they are.

In fact - fuck'em all.

At least this load of freebooters had a good time in Jakarta. Wonder what really happened over there?

*Once mentioned in a Benny Hill record.

Twice.

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The replacement team is not Nacional as reported but the Indonesia senior team:

http://www.goal.com/en-my/news/3896/malaysia/2012/07/24/3260869/indonesian-national-side-could-be-asked-to-come-in-and

I don't agree with your first post but I do with #640.

Everton should come over here to the US like they have done 3 times since I've lived here (Utah, Houston and Denver) and generate some interest – plus the players could load up with cheap jeans and fags.

Liverpool are over here – and there's also a documentary series about Liverpool last season being broadcast soon on the Fox Soccer Channel – no doubt something to do with the fact that they have American owners and they want to raise the profile of Liverpool in the US.

Personally, I think they should be showing it on the Comedy Network.....

If you'd eve been to any of these countries you'd know that generators are more reliable than the local power grid (provided they've got a back up fuel tank).

A couple local journalists I know tell me that the organizers are now blustering about suing Everton and Galatasaray. This is all for domestic consumption, of course, and in keeping with the grand Indonesian tradition of not accepting any blame for anything at any time. It's much easier to blame a bunch of foreigners who will never darken your door again than do anything that would result in losing face. This will all be swept under the rug in a month or two.

Indonesia is a huge potential market and football is the only thing that rivals Islam in popularity here, but it's not hard to see why so many clubs prefer to tour Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, China, etc. The headaches, inefficiencies and shortfalls (such as those that Peter mentioned) far outweigh the benefits of a five-day cameo appearance.

In all seriousness, we've been to Asia before, we've had an Asian beer on our shirt for nearly 10 years, and we had a cult hero Chinese player for a couple of seasons and we still never made anything out of the continent. Forget it and focus on North America.

North America is what we should focus on obviously. Going back to Joe Max-Moore and all of the great American players that have donned the Royal blue jersey, it is an easy decision to make and one they should've stuck with since 2000

However, Americans like winners and are more interested in the American players than a team that finishes roughly 8th every season. Plus, you can't find an Everton jersey over here to buy if your life depended on it.

I know that this is not Everton's fault. It is just typical that we happen to be involved in some mickey mouse pre-season tournament that went balls up.

What we have been looking for in the Chang relationship is for this to lead to further commercial opportunity in the Far East which is where the majority of incoming money in the PL is now coming. The problem is that, like in so many other areas (outsourcing retail and catering), the club hasnt the vision of ability to activate the partnership and vision as required.

It will quite interesting though to see how much of Thailand now sees Everton as a club they support. I remember being there in Bangkok in 2005 when the team was there. Sadly I still think we are way below the traditional sides: Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal etc. Hopefully next pre-season where we have been promised a game in Thailand (to which I am sure to go), the response and the following is a lot greater...... Till then mates...... enjoy a Chang. :)

There was TV coverage of Fellaini arriving and being interviewed.

Subsequently there was no advertising for the games in newspaper, TV or internet. We applied for a ticket but all we got was a voucher saying that we had tickets when they were available – we got this on Monday 23rd with the game on the 27th.

It was also unclear who we were playing: Indonesia or Malaysia and then, even after we got the voucher, it was mooted we may be playing on the 26th instead.

It was totally the organisers cock-up – of course Everton had to pull out after the reserve team from Uruguay couldn't make it... if indeed they had been approached.

Galatasaray pulled out over a week ago.

Piss up in a brewery, organise, a, couldn't – please rearrange!

A few years ago Thai Bev had full wrap advertising on a load of buses in Singapore, pushing Chang, featuring various Everton players (Cahill, Arteta, and the by-then-departed Beattie). In 2009 for the Cup Final, Chang got in touch with the Supporters Club in Singapore and laid on an outdoor screening, free beer, free Everton-Chang hand towels, and allowed some of us to nick the ice buckets which were also branded.

A year before that I got an invite to the Thai Embassy in Orchard Road in Singapore, where they were having an outdoor party in the grounds. The barmaids were all wearing Everton tops... In 2005 when we played in the Asia Cup in Bangkok, Thai Bev did a big splash for that too.

All of this was done on the sponsors' initiative, as their contract allows them to do. What do Everton do? I've already said that we only got Chang to sponsor us as they got screwed over by Carlsberg, and that was part of the get-back.

Chelsea now have an office in Singapore, to deal with the Asian sponsor market. I've talked with many companies about sponsorship for various events, and a few years ago they were only interested in the top teams. Now with the reach of the overseas TV deal meaning that all teams are pretty much on live every game, and with the top teams commanding in excess of £20m in shirt sponsorship per season, these companies are recognising that mid-table teams may offer some value - Aston Villa and WBA last season tied up with Asian sponsors.

The market for sponsorship in Asia is huge. I'd wager more so than North America. But you've got to be active in tapping it.