Superb Everton power to Villa Park win

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Aston Villa 1 - 3 Everton

Match Summary

David Moyes made only one change from his starting line-up for the excellent opening game victory over Manchester United last Monday: Naismith in while Hibbert was out with a neck injury. Villa tried to push the pace from the off but some really sharp and precise interpassing consisting of a superb sequence of 14 laser-like short passes between half the Everton team ended in Naismith teeing it up for Steven Pienaar to curve a superb shot beyond d Given and into the Villa net inside 3 minutes to get things off to a rapturous start at Villa Park.

Everton looked confident with the goal on the board and won their first corner, Baines then crossing superbly to pick out Jelavic on the far post who should have done a lot better, he hardly jumped at all as he headed over rather than under Given's bar.

Steven Naismith was lively on his debut, drawing the foul from Clark as Everton in their handsome white shirts continued to dominate proceedings. Gibson delivered the second corner but it dropped short. Some of the Villa fouls were rather aggressive, Naismith drawing most of them as Jelavic won a third corner, taken by Baines. The delivery was excellent, met expertly by Jelavic in the crowd, but headed just over.

As The Villa came into it a bit more, it gave Everton's defense a chance to shine, a key clearance by Distin allowing Everton to attack, with Osman's shot blocked but the ball coming back a little too quickly to Gibson who teed up and then powered in a half-volley that dipped viciously but flew just over the bar.

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On the half hour, Pienaar invited a rare foray forward by Jagielka who scampered after a difficult ball down the right and crossed it first time onto the head of Marouane Fellaini, whose downward header foiled Given, bouncing through his hands and into the Villa net for a vital second goal.

Neville got forward in space down the right-side channel and took the shot himself but it lacked conviction and few well wide. Gibson picked out Jelavic with a great lofted ball but the Croat used his arm to bring the ball down. Jelavic wasn't having much luck and seemed to be getting a little frustrated until a nice bit of work from Fellaini let Baines advance and then cut the ball back inside for a superb first-time strike from the masterthat was unstoppable. 3 — 0 away from home. You can't ask for anything more. Everton imperious, as Howard was forced to make his first real save in first-half injury time.

Jelavic got another chance after the break, but his first-time drive was blocked behind. Naismth was played in beautifully by Pienaar and looked to release his shot but another vital block by Baker took out the Scot and injured him in the process.

Everton did look a bit shakey in defence when a couple of desperate blocks were required. An instinctive ball from Gibson played the ball into the path of Jelavic who was tripped by Clark, red card. Gibson's cheeky curled free-kick was just wide of the angle.

From a free-kick played down the left, Baines produced another immense cutback that was teed up brilliantly by Pienaar with his right foot who then drove the volley left-footed with real venom at Given, forcing the best save of the game. From Baines's deep corner, Distin powered in a header that beat Given but Bent on the line headed it onto the underside of the bar, at least three second-half goals denied to a rampant Everton side.

More wonderful passing set Baines for a run-in where he was bundled over by Lowton going into the area but Michael Oliver decided somewhat questionably that the offence was not inside the penalty area. although it must have been mighty close!

Yet another brilliant goal chance was squandered by Jelavic when he misjudged a superb cross from Coleman, on in place of Naismith. Coleman then did a trademark head-down charge that had the Villa defenders throwing themselves in his path. With 20 minutes left, Kevin Mirallas appeared for his debut, to replace the commanding Gibson.

Coleman again crossed well, this time for Miralls and Vlarr had to take it off the Belgian's toe as Everton were attacking in waves, seemingly hell-bent on improving the scoreline. But the goal came at the other end, a probing smack by El Ahmadi from 35 yards that moved in the air, sending Howard initially the wrong way.

A great ball from Neville sent Coleman on his way again but his intelligent cutback was perfect for Osman who somehow contrived to stumble over the ball feet not so clever!

Vlaar then barged over Mirallas as he was setting himself to shot inside the area but it was deemed a good old-fashioned shoulder barge: no penalty given. Jelavic then tried to shoot at the end of a dribble and showed it really needs to be first time or nothing!

Mirallas got into a great posit\ion and fired in a great volley on target off a great Baines cross but it was blocked by a defender. Heitinga came on fro Jelavic, who had picked up a knock.

Kevin Mirallas planted a beautiful header into the Villa net but he had timed his run from just a foot ahead of the last defender to meant Coleman's excellent cross, and was offside. At the other end, Wiemann broke well and whacked the post with Howard beaten, Jagielka having to block the follow-up from Bent.

A lovely backheel by Fellaini in injury time was teed up for Osman but his shot looked tired and weak.

In the end, it was very comfortable, but Everton if anything played better and with more confidence and much better joined up passing for almost the entire match. Somehow, a slew of chances in the second half just would not go their way. But a great start to the season nonetheless.

Michael Kenrick

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Steve Smith
1 Posted 25/08/2012 at 15:00:51
Oh yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Denis Richardson
2 Posted 25/08/2012 at 16:56:28
Great result, we beat the villa AT LAST!!!!!! And another top performance, what has Moysie been drinking over the summer?

Now we have about 10 games that are all winnable, blimey, if injuries stay at bay we should be near the top come Dec! (I know I know, only two games etc etc).

Only downer was that f'k up by Howard, cost Baines points in my fantasy league team! Swerved I know, but he should have saved that. Still didn't cost us in the end so no harm done.

2 games 6 points - I'll take soma dat!!

we're gonna win the league, we're gonna win the league......(allow it!)

Mike Hughes
3 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:04:51
Great result!
Destroyed them in the first half then took foot off the gas a little.
Being greedy, would like to have seen 4 or 5 and a clean sheet...but very happy.
Early days but bottom of the league tonight - RS.

Anto Byrne
4 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:03:19
Very impressive let's keep this good run goOing.
John Nugent
5 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:14:50
Pienaar's goal...
Ernie Baywood
6 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:14:18
4 or 5 would have been great for supporters, but the players are still finding fitness and had a massive game on Monday... only needing to play 45 mins with any intensity is about perfect.

First half performance was exceptional... 3-0, 63% possession, 9 shots to 1.

Played some great football.

John Nugent
7 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:21:45
The goals.....
Dave Chantry
8 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:20:10
Another really good performance by the boys! Two out of two who would have thought!?!

I just sense a really good season for the Toffees, they are playing with real confidence and it's great to see. Not sure what Moyes has done pre-season but it certainly works. COYB
Chris James
9 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:22:53
So then, the end of August approaches and as usual we're languishing down the table with....6points and 4 goals...Um

Once again we're hanging on to the end of the transfer window to...potentially build on the good business done earlier in the summer and compliment an already strong side...Errr

It wouldn't be so bad but the football we've been playing has been absolutely...enthralling at times, with some lovely incisive passing, plenty of variation and attacking threat from multiple angles...Oh!

Anyone else feel like pinching themselves right now?

Sam Hoare
10 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:33:17
I didn't get to watch but who was playing alongside Gibson? Did Fella drop back or did Osman tuck in?
James Flynn
11 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:20:25
Looked good.

Gotta mention. Last week watching, commentator emphasis was ManU's injury woes, this week how poorly Villa was playing.

I'm not a "woe-is-us" type, but come on already. Those 2 clubs were outplayed and defeated by a better team proving it.

Same 6 points, I guess. But a little respect is in order.

Who's next?


Danny Kewley
12 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:29:38
Brilliant result and 3 more pints er I mean points!

Talking of points er I mean pints i'm still pissed off that Mike Hughes and his dog Dixie were fleeced to the tune of 3-80 for a pint of fucking cider!
Ernie Baywood
13 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:39:49
Osman further back Sam, and had a good game I thought. Mind you, it was hard to pick who was defensive midfield as we were doing whatever we wanted and had the ball most of the time.
Kane Dennison
14 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:34:51
West Brom away next and they too have started very well. If we are successful and get a point or 3 I'd be very happy. Midweek we got Leyten Orient for the League Cup I think as well (at home) so hopefully we can easily get a win (and play Barkley and Junior please!!!!)
Paul Mackie
15 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:49:10
4. Everton
20. Liverpool

End the season now thanks.

Gareth Fieldstead
16 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:48:41
Chris wonderfully put, cannot believe it myself! Is it true that Niang is signed? Just a request, any chance we can avoid bringing Liverpool into our good start? We always end up looking stupid. Great start Moyes and being a bit greedy another midfielder would do nicely!
Terry McLavey
17 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:53:33
Some very nice fast first touch football played, this could keep us up with the best of them! Was a bit "all hands to the pump" after they scored and a bit of a let off at the end when they hit the post! But this could mean we're not last on MOD !!!!! RESULT !!
Colin Potter
18 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:01:32
Another 34 points and we're safe !!! Yipee !!
Mike Corcoran
19 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:50:56
Hibbert didn't make the bench, have City put a 24 million bid in for him?

Everton are starting to swagger. From midfield upwards is looking very fluid in attack, shame Mirallas was offside but he looks like he's going to fit in well. Coleman did his Forrest Gump impression but actually looked a player for the first time in ages. Osman should keep that role in the centre. Gibson is an understated charm. Naismith looked tricky for the first half hour. Carry on like this and the blues are going to start upsetting the big spenders. Maybe need a little more depth before the window shuts as injuries are bound to knacker everything up.

Anyway the score was kept low enough to ensure the Reds stay rooted were they belong.

Justin Harris
20 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:03:18
Wow somebody wake me up!!

What a difference compared to how I felt after the first two games of last season.

I know it's early on in the season but it's amazing how just having a few new faces,a settled summer and a seemingly more positive approach has made such a difference to us! Great result today boys bring on the rest I say!!
David Chait
21 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:17:33
Naismith looked quite quick actually.. quicker than Mirallas... but its early doors.

Villa have gone so far backwards since O'Neill ... he saw the boss was going to dry up the funds and jumped... the heady days of Young, Milner seem a long time ago...

I was happy with Naismiths match.. his first touch wasn't always great but he has been out for so long and also needs to get up to pace... but he worked hard and showed some good stuff....

Ian Bennett
22 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:15:11
Spot on Moyes. The Team looks balanced and is an envy of a club that spends five times the amount.

Happy to continue to eat humble pie over our big Belgian. My old man always thought he'd be a real player once he filled out and could handle his strength. Not the most pleasing on the eye when he rolled in with that fee, but hey we have a real player on our hands with a 5-year contract. I can't see many sides having an answer to him.

Jason Heng
23 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:20:02
Moyes out?
John Crawley
24 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:16:51
Villa were poor but that first half performance was one of the best that I have seen since the halcyon days of the 80's. One touch passing, plenty of movement and chances created at will. The midfield pairing of Gibson and Osman looked really well balanced, Jelavic & Fellaini were a handful once again, Baines & Pienaar enough said, Naismith looked sharp as did Miralles when he came on. Everyone played well and we created a lot of chances plus we should have had a penalty. If we can get Donovan in plus a loan signing or two to boost the squad we can have a good season.
Trevor Lynes
25 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:18:19
I agree with Mike # 124

We do need more cover for at least one or two positions.
Injuries will cause us grief if no adequate cover is available.

Methinks old miser BK will have the purse strings tight to his back pocket so long as the fans are kept happy.
We have taken in about 18 million and spent 10.5 so far.
Thats Rodders, Yobo and Cahill out and Pienaar and Marallas in.

I hope that Naismith gets fit enough to make a real impact !!
I also hope that Barkley does NOT go out on loan as he may well be needed.

Steve Alderson
26 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:14:26
Not the first time Tim Howard has been beaten by a long range shot which basically went through his hands on the way in.

Great performance though and deserved to be
more comfortable throughout.

Hopefully our new boy took note of the more physical nature of the premier league.
His you tube dance videos might have to go on hold for a little while.

Stu Gore
27 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:31:09
Just had a look at our run in lads and it looks like we're going to have to win at Chelsea to win the league. Maybe next year eh?
Jason Davenport
28 Posted 25/08/2012 at 17:55:08
James 116.
For some reason, the media have never liked us. Our history is so much better than the RS, but they are absolutely loved by them. Don't, and never have, understood it. With the RS at the bottom, now they will be saying "the top 38".
Tony Onslow
29 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:32:42
3-1 away win and not 100% happy with the result. That is indeed a luxury.
Danny Kewley
30 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:33:14
Just looked at the bbc premier league table they have got us down as 9 points =2 away wins and 1 home win----------- probably happen anyway!!!!!!!!!!!
Jamie Barlow
31 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:31:58
Have we got new balls in the Prem this season? I've seen about 5 goals that were the fault of the goalkkeeper already this season. 2 today.

Great game again today and plenty of positives.
Game time for Naismith and Marillas. Gibbo looked solid again. Felli, awesome. Baines and Pienaar clicking again. Pienaar seems to have foud his shooting boots since he came back on loan. Defence looked solid apart from Tims effort.

Its good to be blue.

Pat Finegan
32 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:20:26
Hibbert was down with a "neck injury" which clearly means he's off to City.
David Price
33 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:43:59
Not happy with this style of play, nick three then defend.
Sorry Mike but you asked for that after the Utd feedback, i'm sure you are laughing though.
Life is good, Life is Blue, Enjoy.
Dean Adams
34 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:40:55
Jamie - Its good to be blue

I would have thought it was Grrreat!
Happy happy times.

Aidan Wade
35 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:25:44
Probably better we didn''t get into double figures, give the team some points to work during the week to stop them drifting off into the clouds with the rest of us. Keep them focused and let's win the other 36 games.
Jim Knightley
36 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:50:39
I'm hoping City drop points tomorrow, so we can get ahead in the title race.

Absolutely loving this.

Jamie Barlow
37 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:56:39
I hope they don't Jim. I'm sure they'll drop points somewhere along the line but I hope its not tomorrow.
Sam Hoare
38 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:57:37
Doesn't get alot better. My natural fear is that things have to go wrong at some point and I think West Brom away will be alot tougher than today was.

Interesting to hear Moyes say he thinks the squad is still a little short! The best equipped its been in ages in my opinion. Still think middle of the park is where we are lightest. Osman and Gibbo looked solid but no-one after that unless Fella drops back which would be a shame they way he and we have been playing...

Peter Warren
39 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:01:01
I'll be really annoyed if hibbo goes for less than 20m
Sandra Williams
40 Posted 25/08/2012 at 18:50:28
Danny, I'd just looked at the BBC Premier League table and thought I'd either slipped into a parallel universe, lost a week of my life or the BBC have actually published next weeks table a week early! Or is there a rather delirious/drunk Evertonian now in charge of the 'Publishing the Premier League Table Department' at the BBC?!! Whatever the reason hope everyone has a great weekend!:) COYB!!
Brent Stephens
41 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:08:33
Jim Knightley
42 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:11:01
Yeah..really I hope they win 0-4 :D The only way this weekend can get any better is with a liverpool defeat...although on another note, I would quite like Arsenal to drop points. Just in case.
Gaute Lie
43 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:06:44
Another 3 points. Not as good as last weeks win, though, and Howard showed his real weakness, the long shot.

Naismith showed he's been told to get back with the defense, but showed he can't tackle. Otherwise he played ok, I think. Kevin M. did ok in the twenty some minutes he got.

Jelavic did ok except for his goal that show what an one touch genious he really is.

However, I was more surprised to see how bad Villa was. Or perhaps we made them so bad?
I'd say Villa is going to struggle to keep up this year.

Everton should with a little luck, be finishing in the top four. This is of course if we keep the rest of our players. Our good start could be a course..

Nick West
44 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:15:40
What website forum is this? I was looking for the 'Moyes out - he hasn't got a clue' forum which is normally at this url?
Ian Bennett
45 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:17:18
Where did Coleman play when he came on?
Barry Rathbone
46 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:25:38
Jammy get Moyes so far but don't worry it'll soon go tits up - when are we playing the RS?

How's that Nick West make you feel better?

Si Cooper
47 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:05:39
Jamie (#139) - yes there are new balls and there have already been some spectacular goalkeeping cock-ups this season. Don't know if there is something different about how the balls move in the air / with heavy spin or whatever.

Tim Howard was a little unlucky in that the ball did move a hell of a lot and his first reaction took him in the wrong direction (but it was where the ball was headed initially) but he should be expected to save them. If it is only an isolated incident then it won't be too much to worry about.

Felli is obviously enjoying his marauding role and it will be hard to drop him back unless Pienaar, Naismith and Mirallas make themselves automatic choices. Thought Mirallas looked okay for a first outing and showed good striking instinct even if he was fractionally offside (imo, should scrap the 'active / inactive' offside rule and go back to the 'clear daylight' one to give the benefit of the doubt to an attacker playing 'on the edge').

Have to tip my hat to Ossie who showed he can still mix it at the heart of the midfield, though I doubt Villa are amongst the strongest in that department.

Richard Farrington
48 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:35:39
Just got back from the match and I am moaning about not scoring more, (greedy get). We were just so much better than them in every department. If they had scored near the end instead of hitting the post, they could have sneaked a point, which would have been a joke. We should have won by 5 or6.

We were excellent first half but its going to be a long season for the brummies.

James Flynn
49 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:35:50
Jason (135) - Everyone loves a winner. I get that. We keep on like this, we'll get more National/International coverage. Only fair.

But when I'm watching our games, I like a little balance in the commentary. All I'm asking.

Peter Warren
50 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:51:19
Howards biggest weakness is the long shot followed by having a man on him at corners. Next week I think we need to practice defending corners
Chris Jones [Burton]
51 Posted 25/08/2012 at 20:00:58
I went to the Co-op to get my lotto ticket and there was a guy at the checkout, in an Aston Villa shirt, bottle of wine in hand (I live about 30 miles from Brum). I said to him "You want more than one bottle after that performance today!" To his credit, he smiled.
Tony Doran
52 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:57:04
ssssshh everyone. I reckon 8 more wins and a few draws and were safe. hehehe.
Aiden Doyle
53 Posted 25/08/2012 at 19:57:54
Looks like were on second (after United/Fulham) on Match of the Day. Things really are looking up.
Danny Kewley
54 Posted 25/08/2012 at 20:02:25
Brent@151 KITAP3 sounds like a spaceship mate.

We were out of this world today.....................Fact.

Ian Bennett
55 Posted 25/08/2012 at 20:17:27
Chris - a case of claret and blue.
Brent Stephens
56 Posted 25/08/2012 at 20:19:53
Danny@167 Bet it WAS brilliant! God, I wish I had been there. Never sounded like any sort of KITAP...
Peter Creer
57 Posted 25/08/2012 at 20:24:23
Without a doubt the many ways that we used going forward made the win so good. The goal by Jelavic was a beautiful sequence of passing and Pienaar's strike was pure magic. I really liked the look of Mirallas near the end.

Lots of good to build on.....and build on we will.

Michael Rawlins
58 Posted 25/08/2012 at 20:34:04
Quality performance. Solid all over the park. Early days but Moyes seems to have got it spot on. COYB
Gary Creaney
59 Posted 25/08/2012 at 20:33:07
Holy fuck, we are light years ahead of the stale, ineffective team we were this time last year. Amazing what a few signings can do, in fact we are light years ahead of the team that finished 4th, 5th, 5th a few years back unfortunately so are plenty of other teams.
Loving this fluid shit upfront. Glad to Jelavic scoring again, you always worry that last season was a flash in the pan but he clearly has a touch of class about him.
Keith Glazzard
60 Posted 25/08/2012 at 20:23:37
We made Villa look like a pub team. That's because we were so much better than they were. All of them are full time pros. Should we have put the reserves out against them?

SAF said Robin the Rich should have had more match time. He never told us who made the decision not to play him. What a load of bollocks.

Look with your eyes, not your ears.

Good players, playing well together. As I said, if the link up between Fellaini, Pienaar and Baines towards the end of the game had been Brazil, or a Sky team, the BBC would be showing the clip for 30 years.

Paul David
61 Posted 25/08/2012 at 20:43:59
Jelavic's movement for his goal was excellent. It doesn't matter what his form is like, he will always score if he makes those runs.
Martin Mason
62 Posted 25/08/2012 at 20:58:34
Pinch me please. it is too good to believe'
John Crawley
63 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:06:51
We just need to keep Gibson fit - no defeats in the league when he plays!
Ean Palese
64 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:20:33
I had a dream that we won the first two matches of the season! Please don't wake me up yet!! Two fantastic finishes and a howler gift from Given. Fellaini plays like Big Dunc incarnate. 6 points!
Andy Crooks
65 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:25:08
How brilliant it is to be able to look forward to MOTD. These two wins are so much better and important than any strong finish.We have good players and confidence will make them even better.What a week.
Peter Mills
66 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:34:15
It was great to hear the "Sheedy" chants too. Brilliant day out all round.
Chris James
67 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:36:16
Wonder if we'll still be last on MOTD? ;-)

On a completely different note, does anyone know what's happened to Blue Kipper? Always like to check around the sites for more good news and it seems like they've forgotten to renew their domain or something?

Ian Bennett
68 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:38:53
C'mon Barry - the question you should be asking is when will Moyes be signing that new contract?
Eugene Ruane
69 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:46:47
John (177) re Gibson, he's one of those..erm..odd players, you hardly see him, he doesn't do a lot that is spectacular but he' glue.

He's..the presence.

John Crawley
70 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:52:38
I agree Eugene. His positional play is very good but he can also play a good pass. A couple today stood out, the first half long range pass to Jelavic which dropped perfectly for him on the edge of the penalty area (ref ruled that he had controlled it with his arm); then the slide rule pass in the 2nd half to Jelavic which resulted in the Villa defender fouling Jelavic and getting sent off.
Ian Bennett
71 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:56:56
Gibson has goals in him. His set pieces are decent and he screens the back four well. Whatever the fee, he has been a great signing, our lucky charm.
Paul David
72 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:00:19
Whats going on with Howard. He's 5 times more likely to make a mistake now compared to a few years a go.
Steve Smith
73 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:50:10
Jelavic is a bit special isn't he?
John Audsley
74 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:58:29
In a 4 man midfield I wouldn't think Gibson would be half as effective as he currently is. He suits are style completely and we picked him up for next to nothing.

He seems to be a quiet, effective driving force and it means Felli can reek havoc in the ACM position

If we lose either to injury (and we will) its then that things will start to go wrong

If we can bring in another CM who can really add to the squad id be a very happy bloke, and I already am pretty happy!!!

and id have discounted Rodwell as he was never fit and seemed to totally lack in self belief for us

David Barks
75 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:03:18
This criticism of Howard is pretty harsh. Have any of you watched the highlights of that shot? It comes from in front of Fellaini and starts off going to Howard's right, then just takes a massive change in direction and flies to his left. Given's mistake was a Howler. Howard's was quite a bit of terrible luck and the ball just taking off on him.
Doug Harris
76 Posted 25/08/2012 at 21:51:20
That has to be the best game away for years and at Villa ...where we haven't beaten them in 7 years.

All I can say to add to this is 2 down 36 to go... COYB
Ian Bennett
77 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:05:50
He likes a sing song too. It's a grand old team to play for.
Peter Laing
78 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:00:52
Looking down on the redshite, we're looking down on the redshite, get used to it...... Happy days are here again
Paul David
79 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:07:44
David I think Howard would have saved that a few years a go, plus a don't remember him opting to punch all the time a few years back.
Paul David
80 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:09:23
Peter I got a feeling we're going to be above them all season or have I just not learned my lesson and their just lulling me into a false sense of security?
David Barks
81 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:13:11
Watch the second replay of the goal, the ball just takes off. If anyone is really to blame it would have to be Fellaini for making no effort to close him down, but I'm not about to criticize him with what he's doing for us and us having a 3-0 lead.
Jamie Barlow
82 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:19:58
Sky have chose Everton for the Football First : Game of the day. On now. Sky Sports 2.
Paul David
83 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:20:13
Still think he should have done better, I still think he's one of the better keeper's in the league but no longer one of the best.
David Barks
84 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:25:24
I really don't think there are 4 better keepers in the league. I would say Hart might be one, Reina as much as I'd hate to say it. But after than I'm not really sure who is better overall.
James Martin
85 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:23:51
Replacing Howard is more problematic than its worth. You'd have to spend a lot of money to get a keeper only a bit better than him, money we odn't really have. there's no guarantee that he owuld be any better either. We were spoilt by Nigel Martyn but the reality is there are a lot of average keepers in the prem. Even Reina and Cech have had bad form recently.

Sczezny and De Gea are young and have made their gaffes, unless we went out and bought Buffon or Joe Hart, who would be guaranteed to be better than Howard. I normally owuld have said Shay Given, and on a free he would have been a good move but then he made his howler today. Perhaps we scrutinise our keeper more than every other keeper in the league when the reality is that most of them are all making the same mistakes. If that's one of his gafffes this season then at least it didn't cost us any points.
Paul David
86 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:29:18
I'm not suggesting we need a new keeper now but I would keep an eye out for a good young keeper. If we could go out and buy who we wanted a new keeper wouldn't be high on my list.
Barry Rathbone
87 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:30:57
Swansea paid 1.5 million for their goalie Vorm a cracking keeper only 28 as well.
Pat Finegan
88 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:29:14
The gap in skill between a great goalkeeper and an average goalkeeper is is much smaller than the difference between a great outfield player and an average outfield player.

Regarding who is better than Howard, Hart, Vorm and I've always rated Jaaskelainen.

Paul David
89 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:38:34
James you might be right, I've just watched De Gea fuck up again on match of the day.
Barry Rathbone
90 Posted 25/08/2012 at 23:06:30
Just watched the game on the box - fantastic again - credit where it's due we really look an amazing outfit.

Well done Moyes and the boys long may it continue.

Sam Hoare
91 Posted 25/08/2012 at 23:10:34
Ok so I know we are all slightly in dreamworld right now but how about this.

Wigan have sold Moses and have some cash. We flog em Big Vic for 5M and then put that with left over Rodwell money to buy Dembele for 10m. He's young, can play anywhere in midfield (though I would play him alongside Gibson), and would be keen to come join his countrymen. Plus he was the best player by a mile at Old Trafford today and at Fulham in the first game last week.

Gaute Lie
92 Posted 25/08/2012 at 23:13:44
Even though I believe Howard showed his soft spot today, I believe he's one of the best goalies in Premier League. I would not change him with anyone else in the PL, except perhaps for De Gea of Man Utd.

Everton should be allowed to show a soft spot now and then. As long as it's not too often. I believe we all rate Howard up there, among the best. I know I do.

Paul David
93 Posted 25/08/2012 at 23:20:45
We been saying for years we need a right winger and little did we know we had one all along, the Jag. What a cross for Fellaini's goal.
Jamie Crowley
94 Posted 25/08/2012 at 22:12:33
I'm seriously in a surreal place at the moment.

Felliani played fantastically again, Gibson was very good (has he lost weight he looks more fit), Osman was great, Mr. One Touch was great, Mirallas I thought looked extremely effective for his first time out.


Only thing that was a bit disappointing... I didn't think Naismith played particularly well. Not bad, but he got roasted once out wide and I thought he actually looked a little slow. Out of shape perhaps? I do think he will come good, but today he didn't shine.
Probably because everyone else around him is playing so well. Don't mean to be harsh.

Praying for no serious injuries. If that happens, the sky seems to be the limit.

James Martin
95 Posted 26/08/2012 at 00:20:07
The only concern was how poor defensively we looked once Gibson went off, I don't know whether w just switched off ocmpletely but the midfield looked poor once Fellaini dropped back. I really think the AMF role suits him and the team so much better than when he plays defensively. Osman and Gibson gave us so much control and kept showing for the ball, constantly shifting it forward. Pienaar really is a class above, he was so good today and surely no one can question the fee to reacquire him, more than any other player he makes us tick.
Andrew Bone
96 Posted 26/08/2012 at 00:28:55
I'm just happy we finally got a result at Villa.
Mike Jones
97 Posted 26/08/2012 at 00:27:43
The football today reminded me of the '84-'85 vintage - generally short and sharp, occasionally long and expansive, always controlled and composed. The players today reminded me of the '84-'85 period too, no superstars, graft mixed with skill, great camaraderie.

Get well soon Sheeds.

Si Cooper
98 Posted 26/08/2012 at 01:43:57
James (#220) - copied this from an article in the Independent that was part of 'What the papers say.' on the OS yesterday.

"But he is such a complete player that Moyes must decide whether his terrifying depredations, deployed behind Nikica Jelavic, compensate for a corresponding void in front of defence. Fellaini's stats last season were just ridiculous, from distance covered to passes to tackles. The 190 occasions he won possession in midfield compared with 164 by Alex Song, No 2 in the chart."

Of course it is only an opinion, but I think this will be debated / discussed a lot this season.

As you alluded to, it is perhaps Gibson's contribution that is key to the whole thing.

Personally, I would like us all to reserve judgement until the new recruits have had a chance to properly 'bed-in' and until we have played against teams that will give us more to focus on in the middle of the park than Villa could manage today.

I think there was an element of relaxing a little bit too much late on today, which is understandable given the opposition on the day and the stage of the season, and Felli may have suffered a little from his exuberance in the attacking phases of our game.

Overall, I guess we should be grateful we do have options and trust that if one formation / selection won't suit all of our games we make the right choices for each occasion.

Si Cooper
99 Posted 26/08/2012 at 02:05:37
Pat (#205) and Gaute Lie (#214) - Jaaskelainen and De Gea - possibly a few seasons too late for one, and a few seasons too early for the other?
Tom Tani
100 Posted 26/08/2012 at 04:36:26
To all the Howard critics. Inc Paul David, PLEASE go play keeper and show how you could have done better! Howard was unlucky and while he might make a mistake once in awhile, his positives out weigh the negatives! Look at last week.

Really a percerptive comment about how he is not the same as a few years ago. We all get older and a bit slower. I'm sure you can't type commenst as quick as you used to..

It really bugs me when people who will only get as close to the field as a keyboard talk about WHAT they would have done or what should happen. This applies to Tim but everyone on the team that gets slagged off.

COYB from across the pond!

Ernie Baywood
101 Posted 26/08/2012 at 05:06:07
Tom, we're not paid hundreds of thousands to play. We're entitled to an opinion from our keyboards.

As unbelievable as the bloke who had a go at me in the live forum for questioning Mirallas being caught offside when he could see the whole line and had no-one near him.

Pat Finegan
102 Posted 26/08/2012 at 05:39:24
Si (234) Jaaskelainen is a bit up there in age but at his peak he was better than Howard. I rate them about even right now so I figured I'd throw Jussi in the list.

De Gea had one good match against us. Not a typical De Gea display but, credit where credit is due, he had almost as good a match as Fellaini did. Maybe he's starting to come good, I don't know but right now I'll take howard.

David Barks
103 Posted 26/08/2012 at 05:45:33

I'm so sick of this line of thought that because "supporters" aren't paid to play, they are entitled to say or criticize whatever they want. Anyone can say anything they want. But what we have these days is a culture where people just love to criticize others who do jobs that they could never do. Everyone just loves to criticize, somehow has the answers, but for some odd reason they don't do these jobs that through the keyboard they seem to be so well qualified. Yes you're entitled to an opinion. But you not being paid hundreds of thousand to play has nothing to do with anything. That just makes you sound jealous and petulant. If Howard was only paid the salary as a policeman would you suddenly be unable to offer an opinion on him?

David Barks
104 Posted 26/08/2012 at 05:53:33
Jaaskelainen even with Howard? I guess you didn't watch his performance today then.
Jimmy Srheim
105 Posted 26/08/2012 at 04:29:40
It is early in the season, Howard needs to play more games because he has no jump in his step right now. Fellaini was at fault for the goal, but Howard should at least deflected that shot.

I wonder how we will look when the whole team is 100% sharp and fit. Villa is a bad team now, relegation is close for them, so I am looking forward to better opposition because I fell asleep during the game it was so one-way traffic.

We have a decent off-the-line start but we still have 36 more games to play.

Ernie Baywood
106 Posted 26/08/2012 at 06:18:35
Sorry David, with whatever logic you want to use, can we query a footballer's performance (or a specific incident) or not?

I've watched and played enough football to know when someone has made an error. I rate Howard but he is prone to occasional errors. I don't need to be a top class keeper to make that comment.

Derek Thomas
107 Posted 26/08/2012 at 06:25:31
Ernie 250 spot on. The 'you couldn't do it so you can't criticize' is a total non-arguement.
Tony Cheek
108 Posted 26/08/2012 at 07:47:19
Good start, now we would really have to be unlucky to mess this up in the remaing 36 games!.........COYB!
Paul Mackie
109 Posted 26/08/2012 at 10:32:28
I was optimistic about this season before the Man U game, I was even more confident after and now I'm most definitely "glass is more than half full".

The team is playing well. Naismith looked handy, Mirallas was pretty good in his cameo but once again the stars of our attack were Felli/Baines/Pienaar/Jeleavic. If we can keep those 4 fit and firing on all cylinders then there isn't a game between now and December that I don't fancy our chances of being able to win. If we can get Mirallas to have as much impact as Pienaar does then god help every other team in the league.

I think we can safely say that relegation isn't going to be a worry this year.

Jeff Beaumont
110 Posted 26/08/2012 at 10:23:22
Last time we won at Villa we finished 4th - same again please.
Barry Rathbone
111 Posted 26/08/2012 at 10:43:12
Yes this "show us your caps", "put your shirts on the table" or keep your gob shut is ignorant bollocks.

Ask Wenger and Mourinho among the most successful managers of the last 20 years yet probably wouldn't have got game for Runcorn. I wouldn't argue their judgement of a footballer.

Dave White
112 Posted 26/08/2012 at 11:07:32
As a keeper myself I felt for Howard on the goal, as has been said further up the view Howard got BEFORE the flight of the ball went behind Felli was it was curling in to his right, then as it went PAST Felli it not only straightended but bent away viciously the other way.

Even at my (pub) football level every once in a while a striker hits a ball in a way that makes it move in an unexpected way through the air. When that happens you, as a keeper, are happy to get anything at all on it because you've had to readjust your position.

Howard would've been cold too having had nothing to do until that point. Call it goalies union but I think we have much bigger priorities than changing our keeper. Both Given and Jaaskelainen had howlers yesterday worse than Howard, it's the keepers curse that no matter how good you are you will always end up looking like a clown from time to time.

Steve Cotton
113 Posted 26/08/2012 at 09:41:38
Two points from what I have read above.

First, I thought Naismith played really well, he always seemed to have time and his distribution and short passing game were faultless don't forget he was taken out by dangerous tackles two... possibly three times and he just got on with it.

Also, the shout about Dembele is spot on: with him in the team, we would have every position covered... great pace vision and a goal threat too! Now surely if Bill could raise the 10 million required, we would be even more likely to push on...
Steve Edwards
114 Posted 26/08/2012 at 12:25:37
There is a very good goalkeeper who plays for Norwich. He was recently capped by England. I think his name is Ruddy. Does it ring a bell?
Danny Kewley
115 Posted 26/08/2012 at 13:01:01
As far as keepers go, Howard is an enigma in that he can pull off some blinding saves and at the same time can be hopelessly out of position! Like when Villa hit the post late on. On a positive note though I'm sure he can get his act together. As regards their goal it didn't half swerve.

All in all, though, if the lads keep this standard of football going, we are in for a very good season!!
Andy Meighan
116 Posted 26/08/2012 at 13:36:59
I just got back off holiday in the early hours of Sunday Morning... I saw the goals in the hotel yesterday but watched MotD this morning... Fuck me that should have been 7 or 8 and that wouldn't have flattered us!!!

Two difficult games against opposition we normally struggle with... Man Utd at home and Villa, away terrible records down the years... but we've made the two of them look like pub sides. I can't believe how good I feel today; I just hope it's not a false dawn.

A tricky trip to WBA next week but we should just have enough for them. My only gripe about yesterday, and it is a small one: the goal we conceded Howard should have well had it... but hey I'll forgive him for that, they all make mistakes.

ps C'mon City!
Si Cooper
117 Posted 26/08/2012 at 14:08:40
Steve (#319) - you can't have been following Ruddy's career too closely if you think he doesn't have the occasional calamity in him.

He was allowed to move on to further his career as he was unlikely to displace Tim Howard. In my opinion, he still would be second-choice at the moment.

Jim Knightley
118 Posted 26/08/2012 at 14:17:28
Name me a goalie in this division who hasn't made a big error in the last year?

Even the very best, muck up, sometimes with alarming regularity. Cech, whilst great for the majority of Chelsea's Champions League run, has made far too many domestic (and international) howlers, and would have been replaced by some teams by now. Reina, previously dependable, has been suprisingly error prone over the last few seasons. Friedal, whilst age has something to do with it, has also made an increasing amount of mistakes, such as the awful misjudgement in the QPR game. De Gea... well, he is a wonderful shot stopper, but he has made errors of Gomes-esq proportions.

Perhaps it's the result of the new balls, but goalkeeping errors have been on the increase. Last season, Howard was one of the best in the division. Arguably, based on last season, only Hart, Krul and Vorm played better... but it would be madness to replace him.

And Ruddy? don't mention Ruddy... I can't believe anyone who watches Football would rather have Ruddy in goal than Howard. He is like a slower version of Paul Robinson, an apt number two, but not a goalie for a team of our capacity.

Amazing performance yesterday...I have to keep pinching myself. Villa have issues, especially with the integration of a new defensive line-up, but very few teams will play like we did at their place this season. Pienarr has started where he left off, Gibson is playing superbly, Jelavic's first time finishing is Ruud like, Fellaini is a beast, Osman is looking very good, and our back four is one of the best in the divisions. Also, incredible cross from Jags yesterday for Fellaini's goal.

I thought before the season, that top four was beyond us. I rate our team, but alot of the teams fighting for fourth (Chelsea are nailed on third imo) have bigger and better squads. However, it has to be considered a possibility, because we have started this season, like we ended the last. Spurs have weakened their squad, and have an issue with Modric, Arsenal have lost RVP but added good players, Liverpool are a mess, and we can certainly match Newcastle, esp with the African Cup of nations in January severly effecting them potentially.

But, I think we must invest a bit more. I know we don't have money, I know we have to be careful, but I think this season, might be the season to take a bit of a risk. Imo, we need to bring in another central midfielder, and another creative player for the squad. If possible, another striker is obviously needed, but we have brought in Mirallas, and have others, albeit of a lesser quality.

I'm really hoping we get the couple of players I believe we need for the squad, but if we do, and with the potential of Cahill and Donovan on short term loans in January, I don't see why we cant have a real go at it this season. COYB

Dave White
119 Posted 26/08/2012 at 15:40:42
Steve #319 I agree that Ruddy is a very good keeper but as stated above he left because he wanted to be first choice but was not able to displace Howard

I'm delighted that he's gone on to be Norwich's number 1 but I don't think we missed out as he would still be playing second fiddle to Howard had he stayed at Everton.

Also from Ruddy's point of view he would not have been able to develop into the keeper he is now as a number 2.

Vorm on the other hand looks to be the real deal, but his value is probably up around 5-7m after last season.

Ernie Baywood
120 Posted 26/08/2012 at 15:51:00
Having watched both Arsenal games I disagree with your assessment of them adding good players. Cazorla is handy but the rest of their side is pure comedy.

We're a better side than them hands down.

David Barks
121 Posted 26/08/2012 at 16:16:15
Ernie and Barry and everyone else who completely failed to understand what I wrote about the ability to criticize players, try again. What I said was how much the player is paid is irrelevant. I said twice in one paragraph everyone has the "right" to criticize and to an opinion. What I said was I don't understand the need to bring the players salary into the argument as it is irrelevant when it comes to discussing whether a player made an error or not, hence the last sentence asking if he was only paid the salary of a policeman would you then not have a right to an opinion? Why bring his pay into it. Either he made an error or didn't, his salary compared to yours is irrelevant.

This "he's paid hundreds of thousands to do a job so I'm entitled to criticize" is idiotic. If his pay is the reason you're entitled to criticize, then what would be the threshold where you lose the right to criticize? The answer is there isn't a threshold. There is no amount of money paid that either gives you the right to an opinion or takes away your right to an opinion.

Jim Knightley
122 Posted 26/08/2012 at 18:11:47
Ernie...Arsenal finished third last season for a reason...Cazorla will be a great signing, and Podolski will be a significant player when he reaches full fitness and gets use to the league, although we will see with Giround. Today, they went to one of the hardest away grounds in the league, and forced 10 corners, had 16 attempts, and Stoke barely had a sniff. They also had the capacity to leave Walcott and Oxlade on the bench, and have Rosicky, Wilshere and Koschleny returning from injury in the next couple of weeks/months. It would be foolish to write them off, and if we are still in the fight come spring for top four, Arsenal will likely be our biggest challengers.
Peter Laing
123 Posted 26/08/2012 at 19:15:49
Don't write Arsenal off just yet.........they play the shite at castle grey skull next week....c'mon the gooners
James Flynn
124 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:38:55
David (354) - " I don't understand the need to bring the players salary into the argument" and

"he's paid hundreds of thousands to do a job so I'm entitled to criticize".

You forgot to mention the main reason: jealousy.

Roman Sidey
125 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:56:39
With all the chat that we haven't won AT Villa since 05, I think it's been forgotten that we haven't beaten Villa AT ALL in the league for almost that long. I know we beat them in the FA Cup in 09, but can someone correct me if I'm wrong by saying we haven't beaten them in the league since 06.

Bogie team de-bogiefied.

Other points. Mirallas looks exciting. Humble pie tastes delicious re: Fellaini. Maybe Howard's concentration had dropped due to our 3 goal lead, as any player in any position can be guilty of that.

Barry Rathbone
126 Posted 26/08/2012 at 20:49:35
David Barks not sure how I got pulled in on this one but it could be argued salary is an indication of ability.

Eg. a part timer paid expenses might be excused heading the ball like a threepenny bit head whereas yer actual Premiership player paid thousands would be expected to soar like a leaping salmon nodding the ball perfectly into the top corner.

Both are footballers but as their wages rise so to does expectation however the threshold of "allowed shiteness" drops, it's a footballing version of Boyle's law in Thermodynamics which I won't quote because I'm getting fig rolls just now.

Steven Kendrew
127 Posted 27/08/2012 at 04:16:01
Lets keep our feet on the ground. The confidence is there now but away at WBA on maybe a wet and windy day might be a bit tougher. Villa were shit yesterday. Great start though, but need to keep working hard and Moyes needs to keep them believing.

Howard is getting on and does make the odd howler but as someone said, there have been a lot of mistakes already. I think the new ball has something to do with it. Even defenders are at it (Collins and the red sh-te...?).

As for Dembele - Oh yes!.....and may be cheap depending on contract.

Come on you Blue Boys!!

Anto Byrne
128 Posted 27/08/2012 at 04:29:59
Boyle's Law, a principle that describes the relationship between the pressure and volume of a gas. According to this law, the pressure exerted by a gas held at a constant temperature varies inversely with the volume of the gas. For example, if the volume is halved, the pressure is doubled; and if the volume is doubled, the pressure is halved.

The reason for this effect is that a gas is made up of loosely spaced molecules moving at random. If a gas is compressed in a container, these molecules are pushed together; thus, the gas occupies less volume. The molecules, having less space in which to move, hit the walls of the container more frequently and thus exert an increased pressure.

Yes, it all makes perfect sense, Barry, and if we apply a bit of heat we can apply Charles Law to the argument.
Martin Mason
129 Posted 27/08/2012 at 05:05:15
The Everton tragedy is that all players fit we have a pretty magnificent side that is great on the eye and could potentially beat any side home or away. How's that a tragedy? Well, we have several key players like Fellaini, Gibson, Pienaar and Baines for who we have no cover and without whom we are severely diminished. The addition of Naismith and Mirallas has been welcome and may really help but our second string sides are dangerously weak indicating a pretty serious lack of depth that will kill our chances of making the break into the top tier over a full season. Lets revel in the enjoyment that our top team is providing at the moment, they are as good as anything I've seen at the Club in many, many years but lets not believe yet that this can be sustained.
Ernie Baywood
130 Posted 27/08/2012 at 06:34:34
Steven (#442) I think we'll be alright at WBA. We've had a test of that ilk and, while they won't be so comfortable every week, away games don't worry me too much. The test for me is whether we can break down a stubborn team at home. Those games will go a long way to defining our season.

Three or so years ago we were beating the teams that we should beat and that puts you in the top 6... unfortunately we had a terrible record against the top 5.

In the last couple of years that trend has been reversed, which has put us outside the top 6.

If we can start confortably disposing of the likes of Southampton at home then we'll be on our way to a special season.

Sam Hoare
131 Posted 27/08/2012 at 08:09:52
Hate to be a party pooper but anyone writing Liverpool off as top 4 contenders are in for a shock. They should have comfortably Beaty the champions yesterday and as I have said before in Allen and Sabin have 2 extremely talented young midfielders who excel at keeping ball and playing simple passes, xavi style.

They lack a goalscorer but the signs are worrying. They are going to be in the mix no doubt, as will arsenal who did everything but score against a resilient stoke yesterday.

We will have to steer clear of injuries and keep up the high level we have started at of we have any ambition of challenging for a champions league spot.

Douglas Turner
132 Posted 27/08/2012 at 08:12:50
Love seeing all our boys still playing on "Superuber" from the ManU game! Long may it continue! SWN should be ashamed of his comments about the long balls! The only long balls he saw that night were the ones he slung over his shoulder! We did seem to resemble a little more like them samba boys from Swansea in the last game (probably to prove a point) but taking Gibson and Naismith off was too much of a shock to the system! Having said that though, Seamus was back to his best and bought us some time towards the end when the whistle couldn't have blown any quicker (amazing what a little healthy competition does)! On that note, I would love to see M'baye on that right side or upfront banging them in! Stand M'baye Your Man Moyes! And tell the world you'll sign him!
Pat Finegan
133 Posted 28/08/2012 at 03:45:46
Sam (451) Sitteh looked shite yesterday. They couldn't find a pass. I think they were playing 3-5-2 which just didn't work at all. They looked about as bad against Southampton.
James Connors
134 Posted 28/08/2012 at 12:11:30
Our David is admired far and wide it seems:

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