Dominant Blues blow away Swans

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Swansea City 0 - 3 Everton
David Moyes made some key selection decisions that saw Distin benched in favour of Heitinga, Coleman replacing the injured Hibbert, while both Mirallas and Anichebe got to start up front, with Fellaini in support for a very attacking 4-3-3 formation from the off

Everton made a tremendous start to the game and should have had three goals inside the first five minutes but the guilt-edged chances created would not go in:

Anichebe header off a Baines free-kick, scrambed save by Vorm, with Fellaini following up; A clever steal by Osman, pushing Anichebe to the byeline, a brilliant cut-back for Mirallas to shoot, blocked back to Fellaini who screwed it wide; Ball picked up by Osman, forced through to Anichebe, clipped up for a Mirallas header just too close to the keeper, not enough power or direction; Another free-kick for a foul on Osman, Coleman clipped over, Fellaini chested down brilliantly, as he does, shot blocked....

It was 5 mins before Swans could get out of their own half but it was more Everton pressure after a foul on Pienaar. Another free-kick swung in by Baines, defended out as Everton totally dominated but failed to capitalize in another trademark blitzkrieg.

Anichebe scampered toward a dreadful Swans backpass and a 50-50 ball that Williams got to fractionally before the big man crumpled pathetically over his outstrecthced leg, enough to win an unjust free-kick with the Everton fans screaming for a red card, denying a goalscoring opportunity, but there was none. Anichebe crucially did not have possession of the ball when 'fouled'! Never a red card. Free-kick drien in by Baines, Pienaar's shot blocked, Fellaini's header not met.

Swansea tried the long ball that had been sucessful for Newcastle and Howard had to read the bounce just right to deny Michu.

Mirallas played a great ball through but Anichebe was fractionally offside. In defence, a poor Heitinga header almost gave Swans a worrying chance.

Fellaini again released Anichebe when went to the byeline again but stumbled under a weak challenge and allowed the ball to cross the line.

More good work, Pienaar & Anichebe down the right, Anichebe turned and shot but straight at Vorm. So many chances, so few goals... But it finally came, Fellaini doing brilliantly to chest down a very difficult ball, that he then cleverly powered forward not with his head but with his right arm, to Anichebe who finally found the net with a scuffed shot that went in off the turf to finally give them the lead: 0 - 1.

Anichebe, still with no confidence, ran all the way into the are and then scooped his shot horribly over the bar as the defender backed off. Then he totally fluffed a promising one-two with Baines. Anichebe then collapsed in the area under the heavy breath of a defender on the back of his neck when Everton had a great chance to make more of it.

Yellow card for a poor tackle by Ki on Pienaar, and another superb Baines kick defended away. Swansea just could not cope with Everton's fizz, but Everton were doing their best not to make it a massacre, Pienaar putting a headed clearance back in to Fellaini for a stooping header that was blocked away.

Swansea finally mounted an attack that required a clearing header by Jagielka with Howard beaten by the lob. Swansea finally got the wind behind them, and it needed some desperate defending to give them their first corner that Michu should have powered in with a free header but it was thankfully over.

Ki came very close with a curling shot that was enhanced Howard's swan dive.

Another fantastic Baines free-kick was spurned but the next attack, started by Nevilleat the corner flag, say Jagielka play a good ball forward to Fellaini who then set up a great inviting pass for Pienaar to chase, his first-time cross to Mirallas taking a slight deflection but the Beligian hit it well only to see Vorm glance it onto the underside of the bar and perhapos over the line but Mirallas had follwoed through and was there behind Vormto nod it in.

Swansea came very close to grabbing one at the death, Angel Rngel through on Howard, who resisted the star-jumpo to catch his shot with his foot and make a vital save. Then Angel Rangel was all alone to meet Alan Tate's dipping cross at the back post but only succeeded in knocking the ball away from goal, rather than towards it.

And Swansea continued to press Everton after the break, the Blues defence not exactly stepping up, Michu getting into a good position to shoot past Howard but the Everton keeper had narrowed the angle and deflected it wide of the goal.

It was lively stuff at both ends, Ki bundling over Coleman but a little too easily for it to be a penalty. Meanwhile, Swansea pressed with a couple of dangerous corners. Fellaini got free and should have striven for goal but somehow got waylaid and eventually pulled it back to Mirallas who's brilliant shot hit the bar with Anichebe unable to convert the follow-up and at the other end, Howard pulled off another miraculous save to keep Everton noses in front, What a ding-dong game. As Swansea made their first change, substitute Dyer got yellow for talking back to the ref.

Angel Rangel was the next to see a card for a foul on Anichebe. Dyer then put in a ridiculous challenge that saw him get a second yellow in the space of 2 mins, red and off. Mirallas could not get enough dip on the free-kick. Everton don't seem to do too well against 10 men, but a two goal lead should be enough... surely?

Swansea felt hard-done-by (they weren't) and came at Everton with the crowd behind them, but the Blues... 60 mins gone and Everton had notched up 20 valid attempts to score...

Everton looked to calm things down and take possession again but some nice build-up play was ruined by a horribly over-hit pass out wide from Osman. In the response, Michu bizarrely grabbed and floored Osman well after passing the ball forward, The ref saw it and gave yellow but surely it should have been red?

Another glorious chance then came for Everton, Baines through brilliantly to Anichebe who crossed to Fellaini but it was too difficult for the big fella who screwed his shot over. Another Swansea attack ensued and the Blues really looked stretched for no good reason, but survived. Osman became teh first Everton player booked, as Naismith was switched in for the tiring Mirallas.

Naismith made an immediate impact, revitalizing the Everton attack, perhaps with something to prove after not starting. A superb corner by Baines picked out Fellaini whose header was cleared off the line.

A great break with pieanaar down the kleft, a brilliant reverse ball in to Baines whose powerful run and pinpoint cross to Anichebe could only end up in one place... but no, somehow Anichebe misjudged his contact and could only contrive to clip it wide with the goal gapping!!! If Swansea score here, 1 -2 and it would be a very nervous 10 mins. Thankfully a good header from Swansea was saved by Howard.

At the other end, it was nonsense target practice stuff, Anichebe and Fellaini unable to convert, now 28 attempts, 16 on target, only 2 scored! Finally, a simple free-kick clipped forward by Baines, a stooping header from Fellaini... GOAL! The vital third goal should surely ensure three points and second on goal difference behind Chelsea at the top of the Premier League.

Pienaar and Fellaini then departed to a tremendous ovation from the traveling Blues, to be replaced by Gueye and Oviedo, the Costa Rican getting a 5-minute cameo at the end.

But more Desperate Dan defending was required to keep the clean sheet, De Guzman rattling the bar with Howard beaten, but the whistle finally came and the Blues celebrated in fine style.

Everton's performances had shown much promise this season, and this was another excellent performance with plenty of good play and some goals to show for it, despite the avalanche of missed chances... strangely combined with a large number of key saves by Tim Howard in the Everton goal.

Swansea City: Vorm, Rangel, Tate, Williams, Davies, Ki, de Guzman, Michu, Hernandez, Routledge, Graham.
Subs: Tremmel, Britton, Dyer, Monk, (72' Shechter), Moore, Tiendalli.

Everton: Howard, Neville, Baines, Heitinga, Jagielka, Coleman, Osman, Pienaar (85' Gueye), Fellaini (85' Oviedo), Mirallas (71' Naismith), Anichebe.
Subs not Used: Mucha, Vellios, Duffy, Distin.

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Andy Corrie
1 Posted 22/09/2012 at 12:43:25
Great to see Vellios on the bench, but what the fuck is Neville still doing in the starting 11?
John Malone
2 Posted 22/09/2012 at 12:42:31
I fancy Mirallas to get on the score sheet as well Neil!
Jack Okell
3 Posted 22/09/2012 at 13:20:27
Tim Howard scares me. Well caught out of position for no reason then!!!
Jack Okell
4 Posted 22/09/2012 at 13:28:25
Osman is sooo lightweight!!
Lakovos Lasonidis
5 Posted 22/09/2012 at 13:30:43
Heitinga not good, he needs to step up...
Ciarán McGlone
6 Posted 22/09/2012 at 14:33:15
Another good performance..

I could get used to this.

However, although Neville had a better game than Monday, there's still very little play going through the middle of the park. If we become too reliant on the flanks, other managers will eventually stifle us there.

I imagine what we could be with decent players in place of Osman and Neville.

Kudos to Victor – decent game today and can only grow in confidence...

I'm not convinced by Naismith – I think we've moved on from this type of player.

Jim Knightley
7 Posted 22/09/2012 at 14:52:00
Fantastic display, we could really have scored 7/8 or today, and let in 3/4. Credit to Tim Howard, who made a string of fantastic saves, and showed why he should be our number one... be interesting to see if the critics will still criticise him now.

Everyone played well, but I thought Vic did himself proud, although he should have scored more, whilst Baines, Pienaar, Fellaini and Mirallas were all extremely impressive. Southampton at home next in the league. COYB

Paul Johnson
8 Posted 22/09/2012 at 14:53:08
Never thought I would be saying this...... Anichebe MotM.
Mike Green
9 Posted 22/09/2012 at 14:56:02
Credit where it's due — Victor did well today and took his goal perfectly. I'm really pleased to say well done to him.

Only other thing of note is I don't think Mirallas is in top gear yet and looks a class act, could be really important to us this year.

Well done all round though, including Moyes, I think it's fair to say we walked it. Roll on Southampton!

COYB!

Paul Johnson
10 Posted 22/09/2012 at 14:56:16
Valid comments on Neville Ciaran. His distribution is awful, I don't just mean misplaced passes, he has a tendency to constantly put the man receiving the ball under pressure. Still don't want to be negative as we had 30 attempts on goal away from home. What an amazing stat.....
Michael Parrington
11 Posted 22/09/2012 at 14:54:16
I know we won, but we are looking extremely vulnerable at the back. A three-zip win and Tim Howard was one of our stand outs.

Perhaps this is the risk for playing a more expansive game. We are certainly opening up opposition defenses as well as I can remember since the mid 80s.

Mirallas looks good. Seems to have a good understanding with Fellaini and Pienaar. A great pick up by Moyes. Dare I say even Anichebe looked like a Premier League player. Two goals in as many games from him can only be a good thing.

Loved the voices in the crowd... "We're gonna win the League!" — nothing like a bit of optimism.

Mike Powell
12 Posted 22/09/2012 at 14:54:11
Great football again by the Blues but Neville was woeful again in the middle him and Ozzie don't work together... Hurry back, Gibbo, that's the only negative about the game.

If jelavic was playing, I think we would've got six or seven! Besides the WBA game we have been great so far this season. Keep it going, Blues.

We're going to win the league,
Oh now you're going to believe us,
We're going to win the league!

Sorry about that... it's the Stella it makes me sing stupid songs.

Oh were going to win the league...

There I go again COYB
Chris Davies
13 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:05:26
Wow!

Unbelievable performance. Very proud to be blue at the moment.
Only one tiny gripe... How did that not finish 10-0??

Congratulations EFC. Roll on Tuesday.

Paul Johnson
14 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:01:22
Moyes will have his work cut out when everybody is fit. Chelsea to get beat 3 - 0 and we go top. Am I dreaming..... The thing is we are great to watch and we are getting some rave reviews from the media. Wilkins and Townsend tipped us before the game and sat smugly commenting on our dominance at the end. Wish I could get Match of the Day just to see what BBC Liverpool has to say.
Brent Stephens
15 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:10:06
Chris, agree with your comment that it could have been 10 to us. But by the same token it could have been 4 to them. So 10-4 it is then. Shit, I remember when Spurs turned us over 10-4 - over and out.

But seriously, defence looking vulnerable and better sides will punish us, and earlier in the game, in which case we might then be on the back foot (as in second half Monday) and less able to play an expansive game as we did today. But going forward we purred!!!!! Great stuff.

James Muller
16 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:17:27
Fabulous day at the office. Not many teams will compete with us this season.
Eric Myles
17 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:14:55
After a terrible game last week Howard has earned his pay this week.

As for looking terrible at the back maybe that could be due to the absences of Hibbert and Distin?

Nick Entwistle
19 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:17:10
I thought Anichebe was absolute garbage. How many times did he over run the ball, shoot weak, fall over, fail to make the run, give it away, fashion a chance, miss sitters?

But as for bad performance, he'd be unstoppable with a good one.

Southampton, QPR, Wigan all before we lose to 12 man Liverpool so things are looking good!

Jim Hillier
20 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:33:31
And that was without arguably our best two players in Jela and Gibbo!
Amit Vithlani
21 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:22:10
Good win, if not always solid. Jags & Heits looked alot better than Jags & Distin but, against teams with more imposing strikers, Jags will have to make way.

Big Vic was very good. Good touch, sharp and pacey. With Jelly injured, we need him in this type of form, although he was helped by having Felli sharing the burden of being the target man.

Neville & Osman midfield combo once again looked vulnerable, but Moyes is in a dilemna because taking out Felli from his current position might reduce our effectiveness.

With Jelly and Gibson out we are thin on options. Dropping Neville for Nais and shifting Felli back is the only obvious change we can make right now, but this is pretty risky as I don't think Vic can carry the attack without Felli behind him.

Coleman impressed me at RB. Still wobbly in his defensive positioning, but much more solid and going forward he looked dangerous.

Julian Batti
22 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:34:33
Oly three teams are sure to finish above us: Chelsea, City, and Arsenal. This year will see United fall from grace.
Col Noon
24 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:39:44
Great win again. Real firepower in this team now.

Anywhere were I can see the game again guys? I was working and missed it. Cheers

Steve Brown
25 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:43:40
4-10 would have been a fair score.
Rob Prince
26 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:44:21
Anichibe had a fantastic game Nick Entwistle. He worked his socks off and was a nuisance all afternoon. He was involved in lots of Evertons good work, scored a goal and was unclucky not to score more. Garbage? Maybe you just don't like him.
Julian Batti
27 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:47:34
Rob: I think Nick was being ironic. Evertonians are like that.
Rob Prince
28 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:51:53
Yea, probably... Sorry!
Danny Kewley
29 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:45:13
As much as I haven't had a lot of time for Big Vic, fair play to him for putting a good shift in! Some of the stuff today was bloody marvelous! Okay, there were a couple of negs but so fucking what! We have just won 3-0 away from home and are looking good!
COYToffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!!!!!
Andy Meighan
30 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:39:11
A great team performance and really could have been 7 or 8. The only downside for me today was Osman, just too lightweight. And why does he sidefoot the ball when he's got a chance, instead of putting his foot through it?!?

I thought Neville had a decent game but he's only filling in till Gibbo gets back... makes you wonder how many Jela would have got with all them chances being created. I swear someone could be on the end of double figures if we put all our chances away.

Fellaini and Pienaar again outstanding and imagine what Mirallas is going to be like when he's got more games under his belt. And please can those people who knock Howard please stop it now. I think he's proved not just today but on numerous occasions just how good he is.

All-in-all, a great time to be a blue... but let's not get carried away.
Trevor Lynes
31 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:58:52
I do not for the life of me understand the people who still snipe at Jags who was for me monumental in defence today.
He blocked a goal bound shot and won everyt tackle.
He is by far our best centre back and Distin is better than Heitinga for me as he tackles better, is faster and better in the air.
My only fault about the game was the lack of ruthlessness when Swansea could have been demolished by 5 at least.

Everton are playing their best football for years and all the newcomers have done well.
Im quite excited about Mirallas who is improving game by game.
I was surprised to see Oviedo on the bench as I was under the impression he had not arrived yet...DM said that he was waiting to meet him a few days ago.

With a fully fit squad we can mount a serious challenge this season but our squad is small and we need luck with injuries.

When Felli plays like today he is virtually unplayable.
Anichebe also did well and is faster than previous seasons, maybe he was carrying too much weight.
He looked tremendous today and could be an Everton Drogba if he had more confidence in front of goal.
I reckon Nev had his best game for ages and so did Howard.
Baines was brill as usual and so was Pienaar.

I just wish that we converted a few more chances as the game should have been over by half time.
I agree with Danny #256 and thought we played some great football especially for the Mirallas goal that was actually started by Neville near our corner flag.

I just hope that our little squad can keep enough energy to play like that in all our domestic games.
If we make europe for next season we need to spend money and build the squad up to at least 23.

James Stewart
32 Posted 22/09/2012 at 16:23:37
We play better football with Heitinga in the team. Fact!
Julian Batti
33 Posted 22/09/2012 at 16:24:38
I have been saying this all the way along: make Heitinga captain. He is a born leader. I recall a game where Fellaini was hanging his head: Heitinga slapped Fellaini and told him to pull himself together. Love his attitude.
James Newcombe
34 Posted 22/09/2012 at 16:25:05
There's got to be a game coming soon where we convert most of these chances we're creating. Someone is going to get stuffed that day! What a start to the season.
Mike Dolan
35 Posted 22/09/2012 at 15:40:03
Great performance,beautiful flowing football, we lose a little shape at the back with Gibson being out but overall it was pretty wonderful. Big Vic will never be a goal scorer but his speed and strength are impressive, today he ran them ragged. He's a frustrating player one move he looks world class and the next move he's like my old aunt Nellie. I love this team.
Martin Mason
36 Posted 22/09/2012 at 16:28:43
A really great performance today, as good as nearly anything I've seen from them. I don't want to praise individuals and I know anything can happen from here on but we should savour today.

OK, I will praise one player and that's Vic Anichebe. Obviously the club has seen a player there under the sulk and he's showing that there is.

Mike Allison
37 Posted 22/09/2012 at 16:44:12
Ciaran seriously? You still don't see it? Neville is the major reason we constantly win the ball back and the opposition aren't able to threaten our goal. He spends the whole game winning interceptions, closing down players, tracking runners, filling in to allow full backs to go forward, reading loose balls in front of the centre backs and maintaining possession with simple passes to team mates. What some call putting team mates under pressure with passes is known as trusting your team mates in places like Barcelona. And whilst he does give the ball to team mates under pressure, he always moves and offers an outlet for them to offload, the player rarely loses the ball when Neville does this.

Anichebe makes mistakes, in particular a couple of bad touches and two bad lay offs in good positions, but he's a hell of a back up to have. Another goal and terrorising Ashley Williams at times. Nick was definitely being sarcastic, but what he writes seems to be the way many Toffeewebbers look at Vic. I've been defending him, Osman and Neville this week, and frankly feel quite smug after today's game.

Mike Powell, we must have watched totally different games, I watched one where Everton had 60% of the possession away against a team renowned for dominating possession. Are there really that many people out there who don't understand that Phil Neville and Leon Osman are both very important parts of that? Watch the game again, watch football first, count the times Swansea try to attack us and Phil Neville is instrumental in halting their attack and winning possession. For the archetypal instance, just watch the Mirallas goal from the instant he dispossesses Michu by our own corner flag.

Julian Batti
38 Posted 22/09/2012 at 16:55:18
Mike Allison, judging by your ex cathedra tone, you strike my as being a relative of Kevin Hudson. I seriously think that you are exaggerating Neville's contribution to our win. We can do even better than this.
Sam Hoare
39 Posted 22/09/2012 at 16:57:14
Typically I didn't get to watch today. But what a great result and from the sounds of it performance.

Can someone tell me:

1.How was Coleman at RB?
2.Was our defense any better without distin? It sounded like they had quite alot of chances.
3. Did Mirallas play well?
4. If Jelavic was back next week, would you be tempted to still start Anichebe?

Julian Batti
40 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:03:45
1) Coleman was never really challenged, and I do not trust him.
2) Ja, Heitinga adds something inexplicable.
3) Yes.
4) No.
Phil Roberts
41 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:00:23
Mike Alison - agree but once you are not liked, never will you be liked. Why let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

Glad to see Saints won - even given our current form, our history of being the ones to solve a crisis is legendary. Glad also Oviedo got a run out but checked his stats on the BBC website and suspect he will not win many headers (Go on, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/players/o/oviedo_436288.stm)
Icing on the cake, Saints to be still out of the bottom 3 when we play them

Barry Rathbone
42 Posted 22/09/2012 at 16:54:48
I'm not one for going over the top but my nephew has a haulage business and we'lll be renting spaces on one of his flatbeds to follow the open top bus in May with all the trophies.

Standing room only of course - probably a tenner a pop - bring your own cans, chippy stops included.

Liam Morton
43 Posted 22/09/2012 at 16:58:20
Fantastic performance and result. Very wasteful with chances towards the end, but we won 3-0 so nobody can complain. We looked defensively vulnerable but that may be a price to pay for playing a more expansive system. Tim Howard, Big Vic, Leon and Cap'n Phil were all excellent today and showed why David Moyes is the manager and not some of the haters on here.

Our next 4 PL games are against relegation fodder (Southampton, QPR, Wigan and Liverpool) so on current form that's 12 points right? Delighted with our start to the season; once Jelavic and Gibson return, hopefully we will be formidable.
Alex Robinson
44 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:07:15
A wonderful all-round performance. We looked good going forward, tracked back and tackled brilliantly, and when Swansea "picked the lock", Timmy H did us proud.

We do look more solid when Heitinga plays at centre back – I think Moyes is gradually phasing Distin out given his age, although he's always awesome when he plays. Man City must be kicking themselves for letting the big French fella go!

On other notes, Neville and Osman were clean and tidy, Naismith too when he came on. Jags was back to his best, as was Timmy H. This allowed the flair players to go forward.

Baines and Pienaar - absolutely outstanding down the left. Anichebe, as Moyes says in the post-match, just needs to believe in himself a lot more and he can be a great striker. Coleman was a menace down the right, but the man who ran the show was Fellaini. Defenders must crap themselves when they see his name on the teamsheet! The only criricism I have of him today was that he didn't finish a couple of clear-cut chances. Other than that – the man's a brute. :)

Oops, forgot about Mirallas. Seems to be adjusting to the Premier League style well. Another Moyes gem. :)

Bring on the Merseyside derby. On this form we're gonna take 'em to the cleaners!
Paul Johnson
45 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:21:58
Liam Morton... what an astounding bigoted statement, just because someone has a different opinion than you, you automatically label them a 'hater'. Get a life and realise that we are a democracy.
Christopher Kelly
46 Posted 22/09/2012 at 16:57:39
Absolute cracker of a game!! Very proud to be a blue. Quick thoughts -- I love the flowing football and the passing on the floor. Beautiful!

Was pleased with Coleman's shift. Had a couple of good turns and moves and didn't appear to be too much of a liability

Finally got a lucky break from the refs with te first goal. Much much overdue IMO

Anichebe played well but misses a shockingly high amount of shots both sitters and half-chances. Nice physical player but needs to get up to speed and probably at some point should've been sent out on loan. (Not sure if he has but I don't think so...)

Naismith looks a fine sub. Osman and Neville played well for their standard but their standard is not good enough for us. Our team is a team made up of European class players and Championship level players. Quite amusing really!! Come on you motherfuckers!! On to the next!!!!!

Jimmy Sørheim
47 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:15:14
We usually lose when we are expected to win, and against weaker sides we struggle the most.

I did not see the game today so I will not comment on it. Very good to see Heitinga getting his first game and clean sheet as well. I thought Jags would be benched but Distin got benched instead. Distin is getting old, we need to replace him after this season!

Anichebe needs all the goals he can get, on the first few games I think Anichebe is now a preferred option to Jelavic, since Jelavic has looked not up to his best yet.

Brian Harrison
48 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:27:34
Another excellent performance from all the team today. Yes they created a few chances but Everton controlled the game from begining to end, obviously it got a lot easier when Dyer was sent off.

A lot of credit must go to Davie Moyes, he has set this team up very well considering that both Jelavic and Gibson were missing, it didn't disrupt our attacking style of football. I know some fans took Davie's comments after the last away game with WBA to mean we would play a bit more defensively in our next game but not a bit of it.

Maybe we should have closed out the game against Newcastle but that was another game we dominated, the signs are looking good. I feel we have more strength in depth than we have had in Davie's reign which can only help during a very long season.

Peter Warren
49 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:44:33
Great entertaining football; only complaint was not taking our chances. I hope we play with that back four in future and great seeing two fabulous wingers. Happy! happy!! happy!!!
Graham Mockford
50 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:34:21
Paul, you're right; 'haters' is ridiculous, but certain players seem to get a disproportionate amount of criticism which I wouldn't characterise as 'hating' just 'lazy and predictable'.

Namely we are talking about Howard, Hibbert, Nevile, Osman and Anichebe. Surprisingly for five such 'terrible' players they have made over a 1000 appearances between them during a period we have consistently been in the top half of the Premier League. Now I have no problem calling a bad performance but read the Matchday Forum and all four were getting pelters before and even during the game today.
Clarence Yurcan
51 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:52:59
Great performance! And luckily for those of us in the US was shown live on ESPN2. Nothing like some exciting attacking football at 8 am! The difference in this club since last January has been amazing.

And for all those knocking Howard, my fellow countryman proved his worth today, he will make many more great saves before the season is out!
Paul Johnson
52 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:51:56
Graham I get were you are coming from. But I find that most people who are negative towards certain players or the manager are deemed to be haters. Sorry but they just have an opinion and granted that may be blinkered at times but the Liams of this world would lock anyone up who does not have the same opinion as him. We are all blues after all.
Nick Entwistle
53 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:36:55
My view on Anichebe wasn't a sarcastic one. He was garbage. Well, 6/10. When he should have scored an easy 9.

It was all set up for him today but he showed his limitations, or probably his lack of self belief.

Swansea played an open game and we tore them apart in midfield and any striker would have got on the ball as much as he did today. He couldn't help but be a threat.

However he missed an open goal, didn't have a clue on a couple of breakaways with Fellaini, scuffed his shots, poor choice of passing... and on and on (I even think his goal was supposed to go the other side of the 'keeper and he mishit the ball).

I'd love for Vic to be a good player for us. But he wasn't today. I don't know if that makes me a 'hater' as someone above alluded to, but as I don't speak 14-year-old Valley Girl, I'm none the wiser.

Game to build on though, and if he's in for the next three or so games then it doesn't fill me with the dread when he came on for Jelavic on Monday.

Paul Johnson
54 Posted 22/09/2012 at 17:58:26
Also Graham the one thing I know as a lifelong blue is that we don't forgive mistakes easily. I swear that one day in the paddock in the eighties that someone behind me shouted fuck off Harper and Harper wasn't even on the bench that day.
James Dawson
55 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:03:55
Did anybody notice whether the initial Mirallas header was actually over the line?? Just interested after Monday's shocker...
Christopher Kelly
56 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:03:15
I could tell Nick you weren't being sarcastic. I have similar views of the lad. I've seen some touches that he's made that are beyond belief.

He does need some love but he's a pro footballer, not a Nancy. Hopefully he'll get a bit of confidence and carry on.

Ian Campbell
57 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:10:55
Mirallas header – you mean the shot that hit the bar and came down?

If so, no it wasn't over!

Kevin Tully
58 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:11:10
Superb performance all round. I think Ossie could thrive playing in a deeper role in midfield. Look at everyone raving about Allen for the RS; all he does is play simple balls across midfield – Leon could easily play these passes all day.

4-3-3 away from home and we had the possesion at 70-30 at times!

30 attempts at goal and they tried to kick us off the park.

Someone please wake me up!!

Mike Green
59 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:11:10
Good point James, I kept looking thinking is it, isn't it? As it happened I shouted ''oh no, not another?!' so was mightily relieved when he boshed it in for good, quality.

I'm starting to think this could be Moyes's big pitch to Man Utd you know. 'How do you like them apples, Mr Gill?' and all that.

It going to be interesting when we come up against Chelsea and City in particular, that'll really sort the men from the boys.

God I wish we hadn't dropped those points against Newcastle.....

Well done lads.

Lee Gray
60 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:22:03
Absolutely BRILLIANT, exciting football against a good side and we walloped them, Jeeesus I am starting to BELIEVE!......

"We're gonna win the league."
Jamie Barlow
61 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:25:58
I think you're being very unfair to Vic, Nick.

I don't think he's ever going to be a twenty goals a season striker but he definitely gave the Swansea defenders a game today.

He's a confidence player and after his goal you could just see it come alive in him.

He isn't in the same league as Jelavic but as long as he puts himself about like he did today, he'll do for me until the main man comes back. If he can get back in the team that is.

Paul Hughes
62 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:16:43
I think that the OP and Nick E are being really harsh on Anichebe. For the early booking/sending off incident he clearly nicked the ball way from the defender and was on his way before he was tripped. I think a sending off would heve been harsh, but not surprising.

He took his goal well, I don't think it was scuffed, just hit back the way it had come.

I've long been calling at Victor for being a big girl's blouse, but fair's fair, today he won good few challenges and held up the ball pretty well. He should, of course, have buried the chance from Baines' cross, but it was no worse a miss than the one he put on a plate for Fellaini.

I know he's not ever going to be Drogba, but for heaven's sake guys, give him a break when he actually does put in a performance.

Paul Hughes
63 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:16:43
I think that the OP and Nick E are being really harsh on Anichebe. For the early booking/sending off incident he clearly nicked the ball way from the defender and was on his way before he was tripped. I think a sending off would heve been harsh, but not surprising.

He took his goal well, I don't think it was scuffed, just hit back the way it had come.

I've long been calling at Victor for being a big girl's blouse, but fair's fair, today he won good few challenges and held up the ball pretty well. He should ,of course, have buried the chance from Baines' cross, but it was no worse a miss than the one he put on a plate for Fellaini.

I know he's not ever going to be Drogba, but for heaven's sake guys, give him a break when he actually does put in a performance.

Jamie Barlow
64 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:35:21
I didn't read the OP but you're spot on Paul.
Pretty pathetic comments about Vic really.
Kevin O'Regan
65 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:33:37
I'm delighted with the result, and some very good performances. However, if we want to stay in contention for a European spot this year, we will need to put at least half of those chances away. Okay if you win the game, but we need a nasty cold-blooded streak to sink those team much earlier – we will also need to get more stability at the back, because it is not convincing back there.

If Moyes wants to take that extra step then we still have plenty of work to do. Long way to go but looking great so far. Promising.

I tend to agree with Ciaran re. Naismith – think we've stepped up from that kind of player. Mirallas is looking excellent. COYB

Mike Hughes
66 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:34:31
They think it's all over... it is now. I'm not one to get carried away with things but why don't they start inscribing the Premier League Trophy with "Everton FC" now and save everyone else the stress and worry?

We're up there with two key players missing, half the squad other clubs have and a fraction of the spending power.

Early days but the table has got a very nice look about it right now. I hope JFT96 is respected tomorrow but that MUFC come out as winners. If that happens, I can't wait for the after-match phone-ins.

One of these days a kopite is going to come out with, "It's not fair, we haven't had the money to spend that Everton and others have. We're operating on a shoe-string. Whine, whine, whine etc." (cackle).

I wish all Blues a very happy Saturday night.

Peter Laing
67 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:39:38
Anichebe has scored three goals in a week, led the line well in the absence of our main man Jelavic and people such as Entwistle come on here and picks holes in his contribution, un-fucking-believable!
Liam Morton
70 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:51:35
Paul Johnson, it wasn't a bigoted comment because some of the crap is unjustified and often doesn't reflect reality. I would say a lot of the criticism those people get is hate-fuelled and no matter what they do people still slag them off becuase they may not be the best of players.

People like you Paul need to wake up and smell the coffee, you accuse me of being a bigot and tell me to go and get a life, but I am an Everton fan and I don't care how good we are one week or how shit we are the next – I'll still be an Everton fan and I won't criticise the players with hate-fuelled comments.

Come back to the real world please, if you don't like those players, fine. But consider other things first such as how much it would cost to replace them, what they have acheived for us in the past etc...
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
71 Posted 22/09/2012 at 18:59:30
Wind it in please, Liam.

Other Everton fans are providing their opinions — not 'hate-fuelled' comments. That is their reality based on assessment of what they have observed. No-one is compelling you to agree with anyone who has a different view but there is no excuse for such a pathetic and bigotted attempt by you to set your own opinion above others. It is not welcome on here.

Mark Burrage
73 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:02:23
Personally I think we were excellent today and out-passed and out- played a team that are renowned passing and playing nice football. It amuses me that our Evertonian mentality still wants to kick a few players regardless of a great performance and win... 2nd in the league, best start in god knows how long... Let's enjoy and back the lads and team.....COYB
Liam Morton
74 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:02:29
I apologise but I disagree, I didn't expect any negative reaction from my original comment and I would never deprive anyone from opinions. I was angered at the abuse Phil Neville and others got after the Newcastle game and maybe my anger got the better of me, so I'll apologise for any offence.
Michael Summers
75 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:21:17
I haven't been able to go the game yet this season due to ill health which is really depressing but the Blues have cheered me up no end with the start we have had and performances (except WBA) in which the football we have played has been outstanding, not seen since the mid-eighties. It has everyone buzzing with what they have seen and seeing the Red Shite at the bottom. This really is a good time to be a Blue and long may it continue. This really could be the season we see some silverware coming to Goodison and a new era for the Blues. Anyway, I hope to be back at the game soon cheering on my beloved with rest of you. COYB.
Julian Batti
76 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:14:50
My expert opinion. I am currently doing my Ph D. I was not drunk when I watched the game:

Howard: 8 Very good for a Yankee bastard.
Coleman: 6 Irishman with no credibility
Baines: 7 Embarrassed no-one.
Jagielka: 6 Do not attempt to pass the ball.
Heitinga: 8 You got it.
Neville: 6 Fuck you.
Fellaini: 8 Nice wig
Osman: 7 Lady with balls
MIrallas: 8 We know you you've got it
Pienaar: 6 Not good enough
Anichebe: 8 Not lazy
Bryan: ok
Gueye: ok

Mike Green
77 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:17:58
Phil Neville....

His experience, attitude and commitment are absolutely top drawer. I'm very proud to have him as our Captain, he's a class act on and off the pitch but he really is starting to creak.

Milk turns faster than Pip, and at one point I considered ringing Stannah to help him out. It's a shame because his head and his heart belong on that pitch, I just feel his feet and hips are starting to struggle to keep up.

Hopefully he can lift a trophy for us this season and then start focusing on his next move in football.

Michael Kenrick
78 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:31:40
Julian,

"Lady with balls"...

Well he's been called a lot of things but you may have hit the nail with that one! Very funny!

Julian Batti
79 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:32:03
Get a life, Mike Green.
Mike Green
80 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:29:42
Julian #313 - have you ever thought about doing match reports professionally? :D
Mike Green
81 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:33:22
And I'll let you have that one, but only that one.
Julian Batti
82 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:35:27
The last time I felt this way was when we beat the shite in 89- WAYNE CLARK - but there was no Toffeeweb back then. Does not really matter. Even today I have the same enemies.
Ajay Gopal
83 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:21:11
Good performance and great result but 2 things concern me:
(1) We have been very wasteful with our chances the last 2 games.
(2) We have been letting the opposition back in with poor defensive mistakes.

I think the players are still getting used to each other - especially 2nd half of Newcastle and today, Anichebe was trying to get used to the other players and vice versa. When they start gelling together, somebody's gonna get whacked real bad (hope it is against the RS)!

Andy Crooks
84 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:41:24
I was at work and missed the game. By all accounts, we were excellent and all credit to David Moyes who sent out a team to be excellent.

One point, though, we seem to demand more of Victor Anichebe than we do of Jelavic, Goals apparently aren't enough for Vic.

Leung Chi Ho
85 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:42:47
Love to see Coleman played in his natural position, hope he can combine well with Mirallas and keep his place in the team.

Another thing for this match and few have mention is how we score the 2nd. Pienaar on the right, Mirallas middle and Big Vic swap to the left, it must really confuses the opposition, nice goal!!

Ken Crowther
86 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:31:13
Julian Batti.

What does "doing your Ph D" have to do with the fact that you have offered us your expert opinion on a game which (you claim) to have watched whilst sober?

Here is my lay-man's view...

Batti: 4 Soft arse.

Graham Mockford
87 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:53:05
Julian, funny and all that... but are you fucking serious? 6 for Pip and Pienaar? What game were you watching? Other than West Brom Pienaar has been outstanding. I don't intend to defend Pip, I would be wasting my time.
Paul McGinty
88 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:42:27
A really open game; Swansea just could not handle the pressing in midfield and the way we flowed in the attacking third. The only negative was the finishing in front of goal. Moyes talked about Victor's lack of confidence, which is hardly surprising considering the amount of grief he gets, after what was a terrific game. Laudrup even pulled off the guy marking him. There is more to be gained in getting behind him. With our squad size we need Victor firing on all cylinders.

On the downside, with 11 on 11 and at 2 - 0, I never felt comfortable and it always seemed like another goal was required. In the event, Dyer decided to help our cause and, after he went, the result was never in doubt.

I like Heitinga but I really don't subscribe to the view that he was a key reason for the way we played. Passing out of the back etc etc. His rushed clearance and missed defensive header late in the first half could have cost us. And he played the Swansea forward on early in the second, to be rescued by Howard. I don't get either why Jags was supposedly garbage today, that goal line clearance and the way he never hides... I will take that any day.

For those of my age, we've all experienced mostly defeats against Leeds at Elland Road going back 40 plus years. So let's hope for a win and no injuries. Warnock will have them kicking anything in blue that moves. COYB

Julian Batti
89 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:56:49
Ken, your sanctimonious tone suggests you must be from Kirkby. Do not worry, I have enough friends in your area. I have been a hard core blue for more than 25 years.
Julian Batti
90 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:02:39
Graham, I admit, I may have been harsh on Pienaar, but we were very good today. I can afford to be the bitchy missus.
Ken Crowther
91 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:02:35
Julian, my first game was Oldham (away) – our last match in the old Second Division. A Ph student should be able to work out how long ago that was!

I don't know though....

ps: I'm from Garston.

Graham Mockford
92 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:59:39
Paul Johnson #286 you couldn't have made my point any better. Alan Harper an unassuming not flashy but very effective footballer, all squads need them. Not only that but at Wembley 84 he put my bobble hat on during the lap of honour.... Fucking legend
Julian Batti
93 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:06:42
Ken - when was that?
Graham Mockford
94 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:07:10
Julian, I have a PhD and you're still talking bollocks!
Julian Batti
95 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:09:48
you must be older than me graham
Graham Mockford
96 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:14:06
What's your PhD thesis, stating the bleeding obvious?
Julian Batti
97 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:13:59
Ok, I am going in 20 minutes; me and my Everton friends are listening to this song ...... bye:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-owl6j2Z-w&feature=BFa&list=FLFvZ85dOrBFLlXgt4JbqaxQ

Shane Corcoran
98 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:05:50
How does Liam Morton get a rap on the knuckles and Julian gets away with "Yankee Batard". And spare me the sense of humour bullshit.

With regards to opening piece, what does it matter if Anichibe had control of the ball when he was fouled? If he hadn't been fouled he's have been through one on one and so it should have been a red card.

Delighted with the win but I'm not one for "we should enjoy the win and less of the negatives." Swansea were dire for the first half hour, albeit we pressed them very high up the field. But the amount of times they gave it to us under no pressure was amazing. I hope the game time and goals Victor is getting brings him on. He's got certain good attributes but some glaring weaknesses. He doesn't run the channels well. You could see from some of his teammates reactions that they weren't happy with some aspects of his game.

We missed a hell of a lot of chances as stated above but I also thought that Heitinga was average at best. Paul McGinty pointed out a few of the reasons for this view. Hopefully he's just rusty from the amount of game time he hasn't been getting. We learned very little about Coleman today that we didn't know already. He didn't have to defend and he was no more than willing in attack. I thought Neville's defensive game today was good but we badly need to replace him esp with Osman in there. I don't dislike any Everton player so my views on Osman and Neville are based on watching them. This idea that some posters pick on them is annoying.

Howard was good today and saved us many times. I still don't really rate him. I think he's poor on crosses and woefully slow off his line for balls played through. His shot-stopping is hit and miss, thankfully it was good today.

Julian Batti
99 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:16:01
SHUT UP YOU BASTARD! I have one Scottish advisor in Switzerland.
Ken Crowther
100 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:16:24
OK Julian, so you know fuck-all about Everton.

We were promoted from the "old second division" at the end of the 1953/54 season, our last match in that division was against Oldham Athletic - at Boundary Park (ever heard if that?) we won 4-0. It was a mid-week game - on a Wednesday I think.

Mike Green
101 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:12:57
Andy #322 - a good point well made my friend. I'm more guilty than most of it, so yeah, a goal a game and one disallowed makes Vic world class (can't believe I just said that) on those v limited statistics. But fair play to him, he's more than held his own when called on.
Ken Crowther
102 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:19:43
Graham #335

Nice one!!

Graham Mockford
103 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:22:24
Julian I would you suggest you and your friends sing this one.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=nkqfa-kaRFM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dnkqfa-kaRFM&gl=GB

Julian Batti
105 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:24:19
I am comiing over in January. And I do not travel with Ryan Air.
Mike Green
106 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:30:40
Cuckoo....
Tony Doran
108 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:32:08
As I said before. Johnny in front of Jags and Distin, Nev on the bench.
Karl Masters
109 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:34:43
I never thought they I would read of a match in which 'Anichebe scampered towards a dreadful Swans backpass' . Scampered? Big Vic? This must have been some game! Haha
Andy Meighan
110 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:28:30
I can't see how anyone can call Anichebe after the performances he's put in the last couple of games. I've never been his biggest fan but credit were credit is due, the lad has been exceptional filling in for the Iceman.

Yes, he missed a couple of chances but what striker doesn't? 2 goals should have been 3... can't argue with that and he was a big part of a dominant team performance. Lay off him, boys, he doesn't deserve it.

ps: Micheal Summers — get well soon from all of us on ToffeeWeb.
James Martin
111 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:20:55
Mike Allsion well done for saying the thing everyone else seems too scared to say. He may make mistakes whilst on the ball but Neville has been exceptional this season off it. When Coleman was going forward he was slotting in seamlessly at RB then at CB if Heitinga came out. He was constantly making interceptions and being in the right place like Gibson is without seemingly trying. He was up against a team thats supposedly great at conserving possession and him and Osman played them off the park in the first period.

Of course Gibson will slot back in when fit as his passing range is fanatstic and he's younger and better on the ball, but as temporary cover Neville has let no one down and has contributed immensely to periods of play where we have at times wiped the floor with top quality premier league sides.

One of the biggest reasons for our good form is Leon Osman. Some fans seemingly only see what they want to see. he got pushed off the ball once in the whole game and fouled the man to stop him getting on a break. He barely gave the ball away, he is always offering an option, and most importantly he passes the ball forward, something our central midfield post Arteta pre Gibson failed to do. He gets the ball to the feet of Fellaini Pienaar and Baines and switches it to the right flank. He's been brave enough to take some of Neville's reckless passes when in trouble facing his own goal and turn and set us on our way. We've always played our best football with Leon in the middle and this current period is no different.

From the mind numbing Fellaini-Rodwell axis and their side to side risk free play we finally have a central midfield partnership in Gibson and Osman that can pass forward with both feet, have great positional sense, and offer a goal threat. They are the platform on which all our good attacking play is being based with Fellaini revelling in an advanced role making use of his height.

I used to hate watching Baines get the ball laid off behind him from someone like Rodwell and having to constantly check his runs before just booting it down the line as he'd been closed down. Now we have a functioning central midfield all our players seem to be getting the ball into space on the run and its putting us on the front foot in every match. Moyes has clearly seen this otherwise he wouldn't be keeping Fellaini up front.

I also can't believe that in the same thread someone has given Pienaar the lowest rating out of our team and someone else has said that Anichebe is now clearly the preferred option to Jelavic.

Mike Allison
112 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:35:04
"One point, though, we seem to demand more of Victor Anichebe than we do of Jelavic, Goals apparently aren't enough for Vic."

Totally agree with that Andy Crooks. Our striker scores goals, but he's not good enough. Julain seems to be an absolute nutjob, and Graham is too scared to defend our captain and the man who did more than anyone else to pin Swansea down and prevent them mounting any kind of threat, thereby allowing our talent to create almost at will.

Trying to respond to the various issues people have brought up, Jagielka defended well but is guilty of absolutely dreadful distribution, almost every time he got the ball today. Swansea were bad because we made them bad, I get sick of people trying to downplay Everton performances by slagging off the opposition. They're a good team, they were at home, and their reputation is for dominating possession and now having a more attacking edge, and we didn't let them get near us. People need to suck it up and accept they've been proven wrong today.

Graham Mockford
113 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:49:41
Mike read my post history and see my opinion on Phil Neville. I just couldn't waste any more words on the likes of Julian!
Kevin Elliott
114 Posted 22/09/2012 at 19:57:31
After today's performance, I have decided not to say anything bad about any of our players, whatever criticisms I have will stay within myself.

Whatever the individual performances the boys showed today, they showed a togetherness that I haven't seen since the heady days of the eighties, something that money can't buy, and I for one am extremely proud to be an Everton supporter today.

10 out of 10 for everyone who donned the Royal Blue shirt. A beacon of light at the end of a long long dark tunnel....
Ean Palese
115 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:56:51
Fabulous result today! If the League ended today

1) We would be automatic to Champs League
2) 'Poop would be relegated!

James Martin
116 Posted 22/09/2012 at 20:56:21
Heitinga back, one clean sheet. It may not be pretty, he may be extremely lucky, but Heitinga seems to be able to do whatever it takes to keep the ball out of the net. Whenever he's paired with Jagielka or Distin they both look good and so does Howard. Jagielka and Distin are both top players yet do not work well as a partnership together, probably because both of their weaker sides are facing inwards meaning anything bouncing aorund the box is usually a problem for them to clear. He was player of the season last year, is many years Distin's junior, and our defensive record with him playing is fantastic, long may he continue in the team.
Kevin Tully
117 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:02:23
I am still in shock at the 30 attempts at goal – AWAY from home.

Would dearly like to know the last time that happened against P.L opposition?

Where is KITAHTKO?

We need a new acronym guys – any suggestions?

Mike Green
118 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:03:53
James 361 - I think you may have got in one. Really good post.
Noel Early
119 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:07:14
It's a long time since I've felt this good about an away performance. I'd love to see 2 changes to this team down the line: Jelly for Victor, who was superb today — looked like he cared and more importantly he used that frame of his for a change. And Gibbo for Neville.
Jamie Barlow
120 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:14:06
KITAPT
Kevin Hudson
121 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:25:44
Back from South Wales, half-cut, but happy. Must thank the stadium announcer for his kind remarks about our city, pre-match.

Shrewd stuff from the Blues today...

Christopher Kelly
122 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:34:02
Well said Kevin Elliot. A nice gesture today indeed.


I will put down the sword for today. (But tomorrow Leon's gonna get it :)

Julian Batti
123 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:40:37
Sounds terrible Kevin. I thought you were eaten by the Yeti in Nanga Parbat. Even so, good to have you back. We won; feel free to play Jesus, I am out of here till Monday.

Steve Smith
124 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:04:14
Don't want to piss on the bonfire but.... give those chances that Swansea had today to Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea... even the Shite, and they'll bury them. Great attacking performance today but very very lucky to keep a clean sheet imo.

Never been a fan of Vic but the lad deserves credit today, and for his cracking goal against the Toon;, it should also do his confidence a world of good.

Onwards and upwards, great to be a Blue at the mo.
Tim O'Connell
125 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:25:59
The first half against Newcastle and most of the Swansea match has been superb football which is as good if not better than any team in the country; the only negative is that we should have scored more. I think we have a genuine squad now and DM is prepared away to press high even away from home which produced an exhilarating performance.

I think this was Vic's best game for us, he ran the channels brilliantly and looked a total threat and sure he should have scored more but still looked a top player. (I hope he gets the confidence to stop the knockers which include me.)

Pienaar and Baines are the best in the league and today gave me the optimism that Coleman and Mirallas could give us something really good on the right. The captain to me had a very good game — he made a couple of poor passes but the break-up play was superb and Ossie was effective without being outstanding.

Johnny needed a game and does have that passing ability. I thought Jags is now back at his best as a give-all defender and TH was outstanding. Felli is most effective as a support striker filling in midfield — I have never seen such effective player with his chest and a holding-up player.

I have a big smile on such a performace and can't believe any true blue isn't the same.

COYB

John Malone
126 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:14:54
Can't believe people are slagging Big Vic after his performance today in my opinion it was his best performance in an Everton shirt. Granted Tate and Williams are carthorses but I thought he ran the line well, had good movement, run at their defence, scored a goal and was willing to have a dig with some power in it. If Jelavic put in that performance, no one would have a bad word to say.

Although over the moon with the result, I still think there is a lot of room for improvement, Swansea were poor and still Howard had to pull off some great saves to keep a cleansheet. I think we definitely need a centre mid if Felli is going to stay up top. Fingers crossed the Vadis move comes off in Jan.

Al Reddish
127 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:51:57
I read the first few lines, seen that despite a good game, Vic was getting a slagging off and thought typical match report. We smash Swansea at theirs which is no mean feat, we are upto 2nd, Vic scores, Johnny and Coleman are at the back where most on here want them to be.... and still so much negativity. I am pleased for Hibbert he didn't play and the comments are obviously because Moyes is playing a good brand of football and getting us results.

Lighten up and enjoy the ride. It probably won.t last that long!
Kev Johnson
128 Posted 22/09/2012 at 22:04:40
We're second on MOTD. Enjoy!
Al Reddish
129 Posted 22/09/2012 at 22:08:40
By the way, it took 15 games last year for any Everton player to score 3 goals (Velios) It's took Fellaini and Mirallas 7 games and Vic even less than that this time.
Julian Batti
130 Posted 22/09/2012 at 22:07:48
It is good to be an Evertonian!
Michael Kenrick
131 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:54:14
It was great stuff to watch. I'm in the middle of watching it again, trying to catch up on that whirlwind first 5 mins... Just crazy stuff.

I did expect more than Shane (#337) would take up the cause of the Williams's red card incident, based on the fuss the second commentator made over it, but any who feel so inclined should probably watch a reply beforehand.

"What does it matter if Anichebe had control of the ball when he was fouled?" — isn't that a key consideration? I don't think he did. If he had and was fouled then yes.

"If he hadn't been fouled he'd have been through one-on-one and so it should have been a red card." — Both players are scrambling to get to a ball in open play. Neither player has possession of the ball. If anything, they both reach it at the same time and I think they both make contact at the same time. Williams's stretch is probably enough to be called a foul / dangerous play, but nothing more. I think many refs would have played on but for Victor's dramatic tumble.

I don't think it could be construed as "denying a goalscoring opportunity" when the attacker is not in control of the ball — there was a covering defender nearby as well.

Martin Handley
132 Posted 22/09/2012 at 22:27:17
All I can say is life's great: the Blues 2nd, the Kopites 3rd bottom, and Tranmere top of League One.
2015 Everton champions, Tramere promoted to Prem and kopites relegated to League One — what a dream!
Julian Batti
133 Posted 22/09/2012 at 22:39:04
Good bye from the Swiss Evertonians; we did well today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12YgJrsDWN8&feature=BFa&list=FLFvZ85dOrBFLlXgt4JbqaxQ

GOOD NIGHT!

Shane Corcoran
134 Posted 22/09/2012 at 23:04:23
Michael, I recall Davie Provan saying that Williams was lucky to not get a red alright. My point about Anichibe having or not having control of the ball is that if, for example, there was a 50 yard sprint towards a loose ball that, if the forward reached it, would result in a one on one, and the defender takes out the stirker, then wouldn't that be a red card? The ball is 50 yards away so obviously not under anyone's control. That's where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm missing something? Didn't Anichibe get the ball and Williams got Anichibe?
Andrew Gilbert
135 Posted 22/09/2012 at 21:57:56
Well done Vic!

Kevin Tully...

Sorry to be a pedant but KITAHTKO is an Initial-ism, an Acronym is when you can spell a word from the initials.

Kev Johnson
136 Posted 22/09/2012 at 23:21:25
Although, Andrew, NATO is an acronym but it's not a word, is it? I'd say an acronym is something that can be pronounced (even if it's not an actual word). The best I can come up with at this time of night is:

SEAGOTATO

Score Early And Go On To Annihilate The Opposition!

It sounds like a seafood dish originating from Spain, if you ask me. Any other ideas?

Brian Denton
137 Posted 22/09/2012 at 23:51:56
I'm the founder member of STRATA (the Society for the Total Removal and Abolition of Tortured Acronyms.....)
Andrew Gilbert
138 Posted 22/09/2012 at 23:51:19
Kev, you are right. It is a word that can be pronounced. NATO, GUI, AIDS etc.

I like SEAGOTATO....Tastes good!

John Byrne
139 Posted 22/09/2012 at 23:47:25
Anichebe was excellent today. He's not the most talented of players but he's full of heart & very committed. Great performance all round. Can't understand all the negativity towards Neville & Osman all the time. You don't put in a solid team performance like that if you have a shit central midfield. Another 3 points at home to Southampton next Saturday & I'll be extremely happy.
Julian Batti
140 Posted 23/09/2012 at 00:03:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTHe2ZJqUE&feature=BFa&list=FLFvZ85dOrBFLlXgt4JbqaxQ
Craig Fletcher
141 Posted 22/09/2012 at 23:16:03
Great result today; but better teams with better finishing would have buried a couple of goals past us in the last ten minutes of the first half.

Sill, we looked like Barcelona at times today, especially how we started. Mirallas is getting better with each game, Bainaar on form yet again; opposition defences continue to struggle to deal with Fellaini, and Anichebe finally looks to have the bit between his teeth. Can't help but think though that if it was Jelavic on the field he could have had a hat-trick blindfolded.
David Price
142 Posted 23/09/2012 at 00:02:37
Big Vic ran the line superbly well today. Pip bossed the centre of midfield. Osman's distribution was faultless. [See how easy it is to state some facts based on today's game and not historic individual performances.]

We all know Vic's limitations and Jelavic would probably have bagged a hat-trick today based on chances created. Clean sheet, was down to Howard's superb performance and Jagielka's terrific defending. Coleman was excellent at full back and always an outlet coming forward on the right which Mirallas seemed to use very well.

So the big boys will punish us will they? Most dangerous opponent so far this season has been the linesman from Monday and after 15 minutes the ref was a threat for not producing a red card. The match report stating Vic was pathetic when getting fouled smacked of a little kid who has made it's mind up that carrots are shite without attempting to see what they taste like.

It was marvellous football from the team today despite two key players missing. Plus fair play to Julian for settling in being an arsehole on Toffeeweb instead of creating chaos on the streets. Ph D... jeez, my Dad said students are clever but lack common sense. RIP Dad, right again.
Peter Jones
143 Posted 23/09/2012 at 00:29:29
Great game all round. Glad to see Coleman play. 31 shots! Am I really watching Everton? Omg. Can't wait for Gibson to get back in there for Neville and Jelavic to tag out Anichebe, who really seems to have learned from Jelavic how to play like a proper striker. Eventually, we really are gonna get 5 or 6 goals in a few of these games. It almost seems inevitable the way we are playing. Completely outclassed a decent team on their home field with 2 crucial players out. Awesome. I believe in this team.
Leung Chi Ho
144 Posted 23/09/2012 at 01:17:17
Did anyone recognise that Swansea played Ki Sung-Yueng the majority of the 2nd half as a centre back?! Like Carrick, he is a centre midfield naturally and new to this position.

But I think he is a very good player and he reminds me of Rodwell in this game, he can attack, can defend, young, talented, tall, and won't cost anywhere near £12M, seems like our centre mid need this kind of player.
Eric Myles
145 Posted 23/09/2012 at 02:15:24
James Martin's first para in #353 only leaves out Neville's contribution in being an outlet for Coleman to get out of his usual blind alley runs with the pass back.
Eric Myles
146 Posted 23/09/2012 at 02:59:41
Mike #292 "I'm starting to think this could be Moyes's big pitch to Man Utd you know. 'How do you like them apples, Mr Gill?' and all that."

Or maybe "Shall we talk about that pay rise now, Mr Kenwright?"

Laurie Hartley
147 Posted 23/09/2012 at 03:12:29
Julian 336 I like your sense of humor. Definitely a nutter.
Derek Thomas
148 Posted 23/09/2012 at 03:46:29
The Opposition; tbh they weren't that good, but you can only beat what is put in front of you.

Howard: If you can't be good be lucky (and he was lucky that is) his whole match form was all over the place like mad women's shit.

Neville: his brain is writing cheques his legs can no longer cash; short term only until Gibbo comes back, he is in my eyes, in a dead heat with Hibbo and Coleman for the FB's slot.

Osman and Naismith: if we had money and thus more better players they might not even make the bench, but we don't so they are. Is it a conundrum or a paradox?

CBs: the more attacking ethos tends to leave them exposed and does not help them.

CM x2 Neville and Osman: Limited and Lightweight, some say they are excellent like maybe Stradivarius and Picasso, but our Stradivarius can't paint and our Picasso can't make violins.

Anichebe: There is a player in there... I think.. was this as good as it is going to get from Vic? ... or is this the new bare minimum benchmark? Only time and Vic will show us.

Julian Batti
149 Posted 23/09/2012 at 06:45:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12YgJrsDWN8&list=FLFvZ85dOrBFLlXgt4JbqaxQ&index=1&feature=plpp_video
Alan Clarke
150 Posted 23/09/2012 at 06:54:38
I must say Colallas and Bainaar are looking very good. Nevsman still looks a bit lacking but Heitelka looks more solid than Jagstin. Nice to see Fellichebe doing so well.

This Bainaar phrasing I keep reading is a bit cringeworthy isn't it?

Julian Batti
151 Posted 23/09/2012 at 07:15:35
Кино - Звезда - we did well today.
Peter Thistle
152 Posted 23/09/2012 at 07:26:31
Can people lay off Vic now..... in his last 2 games he's scored 3 and looks well up for it. If nothing else look at how much he held his head in his hand after his missed chances, it means a lot to him. Give him a chance......
Ian Bennett
153 Posted 23/09/2012 at 07:24:14
Again Moyes shows that if you defend high up the pitch and close off the short ball, teams like Swansea fail. I only hope it works against Liverpool and in next year's Champions League Final with Barca.

I thought everyone played well yesterday. Coleman was disciplined at the back, Howard made some crucial saves, Baines played like he was on a motorbike down the left-hand side, and even Vic was effective.

Mouth-watering stuff, and we still have Jelavic and Gibson to come in plus a little bit of money left from the summer. We're going to win the league?

Come on the blues, in Moyes I trust.

Tom Dodds
154 Posted 23/09/2012 at 07:53:40
I hope Mr Im Bing F'tangbimyimfimbimbonglimbin Niang ..... is happy at AC Milan ;).
Tony J Williams
155 Posted 23/09/2012 at 08:16:28
Absolutely love it, we absolutely anihilate Swansea and the commentators on my feed stated it was probably the most complete away performance he had ever seen in the Premier League and yet on here we were lucky that Swansea couldn't finish better. If it had been Man Utd blah blah... it wasn't, they weren't and we battered them yet the criticism still remains.... unbelievable, Jeff!!!
Matt Traynor
156 Posted 23/09/2012 at 07:55:32
Andy Crooks #322, Mike Green #341, and no doubt others. The reason Vic gets the abuse he gets is in part down to the "attitude". He gives the impression that he's not arsed, only started celebrating his goals again recently (I thought it was because he'd forgotten what scoring was about, but it could be fans are fed up with the titty lip and contract bollocks when he's only earning £30k a week).

Those of us who've seen him since his debut know there's a good player in there somewhere. Personally, I think he'll be yet another in a long line of Goodison prospects to have an average career, potential unfulfilled.

Jelavic may be the journeyman that bitter Rangers fans have warned us of. If he is we'll make a tidy return on him, but he'll score a shit load on the way.

Ray Roche
157 Posted 23/09/2012 at 08:28:30
Talking about acronyms, I'm one of the TWATS.

The Welsh Anti Temperence Society.

Mike Byrne
158 Posted 23/09/2012 at 08:42:12
Ray #437 - same here but different type - Tarleton Whisky Appreciation and Tasting Society
Kev Johnson
159 Posted 23/09/2012 at 08:37:11
Snap, Ray. Except (like a good few on here) I'm a Toffee Web Armchair Theorist.

And I mean that in a good way!

James Tunstead
160 Posted 23/09/2012 at 09:04:59
The description of the Anichebe/Williams incident is incredible. Who wrote that? Someone who has never played the game or understands the rules. "Crumpelled pathetically" now running at full pelt and being hacked at by a 14 stone athlete who was also at top speed would send anyone crashing into the turf. As for not having control of the ball???

Vic was unable to get the ball as he was taken out! He would have been clean through on goal and Williams should have seen red. Tate's fairly close proximity probably saved him. I aint Vic's biggest fan but we should give him credit when he has a decent game, not slag him off no matter what.
Kevin Thompson
161 Posted 23/09/2012 at 09:51:49
I don't understand how people can critise Victor Anichebe on his performance against Swansea. He could've had a hat-trick of goals and and a hat-trick of assists in the game. He only missed one sitter but so did Fellaini, unlucky with a couple of other shots.

His link-up play was good and setup up Fellaini and Mirallas with easy chances, who should of scored, and only for Williams foul he would have been straight through on goal.
Kevin Tully
162 Posted 23/09/2012 at 10:41:15
MOYES — Manager Of Year Early Season.

TWAT — Thespian Without Any Trust.

Where's Eugene when you need him?

Phil Bellis
164 Posted 23/09/2012 at 12:00:33
Liam

You obviously never had the misfortune to see Rod Belfitt or Bernie Wright; if you had you would know the difference between "justified" criticism and "hate-filled" invective.

As for Jelavic v Victor – Jelavic is crafty, hard-working and in the right place at the right time; he works the opposition all over the back line and creates space for his team-mates.

Big Dunc should be assigned to help Victor make more of his physical attributes; I presume other coaches are already helping him to improve his overall game.

As for scoring, yes he is just now, thank goodness and I back him to keep doing so – our 'no defeats when he scores' stat is intact – but even Bernie Wright scored once and I recall a beachball doing similar... (No criticism of Vic or the beachball is implied.)

As for acronyms etc, in the 80s, I was involved with COCSUC – Council of Civil Service Unions Committee
Ciarán McGlone
165 Posted 23/09/2012 at 12:27:03
Mike,

Did you miss the bit where I stated Neville had a better game than Monday? Consider that faint praise.

The fact is that central midfield is arguably the most important position in the team... Closing down and pointing isn't really good enough.

Paul Kelly
166 Posted 23/09/2012 at 14:16:00
Well I'm a member of the Completely Unbiased Northen Toffeewebbers Society.

And we believe credit were credit is due, well done to all the lads, especially Vic and Pip. Hats off to DM, quality football being played.

Let's all enjoy the moment because us fickle members at CUNTS will turn on you in a heartbeat and spout our bile on here should things take a turn for the worse.

COYB

Mike Allison
167 Posted 23/09/2012 at 14:40:00
Ciaran, yeah but I was under the impression you didn't think he was any good on Monday, so better than no good still isn't much is it. And I think I just have to disagree, closing down and pointing seems to be enough, it certainly seems to be working at the moment.

Andy Crooks you made me laugh quite hard out loud then.

As for Anichebe's critics, oops, looks like Matt Traynor has given the game away and confirmed exactly what I was speculating on another thread. There seems to be a significant section of the Toffeeweb community who don't judge Victor on his performances as a footballer, they're already pre-disposed to dislike him, because he earns a lot of money, fell out with Moyes once and has bad 'body language'. Get over it. I wouldn't stay going out with a girl who was as sensitive and keen to hold onto a grudge as that, grown men should be ashamed of themselves.

And how any Evertonian can think Ashley Williams shouldn't have been sent off! Your bias against Anichebe seems to be stronger than your bias towards Everton. Last man red cards don't come much clearer than that. Anichebe would have comfortably got a shot on target and the 'covering defender' wouldn't have got near him before he did.

Ciarán McGlone
168 Posted 23/09/2012 at 15:09:08
Mike,

I can't agree with the implication that, if you win games, then there's no improvements that can be made.

Mike Powell
169 Posted 23/09/2012 at 15:25:36
You're right, you must've watched a different game than me and everyone else in the pub, which was jam-packed full off Everton fans who all said Neville was woeful, he kept given the ball away. I don't think he found a blue shirt all day.
Ciarán McGlone
170 Posted 23/09/2012 at 16:28:22
"Ben, actually I think your XI is bang on. I know it may seem daft to change Fellaini's role given how effective he's been, but we simply need our best player dominating in midfield right now."

You appear to be unsure of the effectiveness of our central pairing, Mike... despite your continual defence of Neville.

Peter Lee
171 Posted 23/09/2012 at 16:19:34
The Guardian and The Observer used to do stats on every game shown on a diagram of the pitch called Chalkboards. They don't anymore but pick a couple of games from last season and check out Phil Neville's stats. For me, he's the manager on the pitch that every team needs. Mind you there are people on here who have only grudging praise for the manager off the pitch.

Two points about how good we were, and yes we gave too many chances away, from Match of the Day: Gary Lineker described the Blues' display as "Imperious". Hawwy told how he got a video of last season's roasting of the Swans to show his players how it was done and then went on to say that we'd done it again.

Paul Gladwell
174 Posted 23/09/2012 at 17:34:36
I cannot for the life of me get how after such a convincing away performance like that with 26 shots on goal people can come on here and slaughter some of our players who played yesterday.
Liam Morton
175 Posted 23/09/2012 at 17:03:04
Phil – No, you're spot on, I've never seen them play as they were a bit before my time. I know all about them, however, especially Bernie Wright. However, I have had the misfortune of seeing Brett Angell play if that is any consolation to you mate, hehe?

Put it this way, in my lifetime Everton have won 1 trophy, and that was 17 years ago... From a personal perspective this is the best Everton team I have ever witnessed while you probably witnessed the great team of the mid-80s, maybe even the very good team of the 60s? I however grew up watching the dire teams of the 90s, which was a painful way to start being a football fan, haha!

So can you understand why, Phil, that I may be a bit defensive of the current team? It's the best we have had for ages so I guess I just want people to enjoy the moment because this great start may not last forever...
Mike Allison
176 Posted 23/09/2012 at 18:04:13
That was written before the game Ciaran, I would have been in the majority at that point in agreeing that Neville and Osman wouldn't have been my selection for central midfield, but I feel that the events of the match have changed my mind, or at least left me a lot less certain of my original opinion.

I can't really accept what you say in #501 either, I think there's a big gap between what I said: "it certainly seems to be working at the moment" and what you've inferred "if you win games, then there's no improvements that can be made." Your statement could apply to us beating Barcelona 5-1 in the Nou Camp. ie. We could have kept a clean sheet, we could have scored 6, etc. Mine simply says that whether or not its the absolute best we could possibly be, what we're doing is working. Incidentally, not that this applies to you personally Ciaran, but I can't help but feel that if we did win every game 5-1, there would still be people on here complaining. It just seems to be in their nature.

We could all imagine a better line up, and a scenario where we do better than winning 0-3 away, but we don't know that our scenario would work, whereas we've all just watched Neville and Osman in central midfield working.

Mike, Neville did find a blue shirt all day. I don't have the stats to hand, but I'll simply point out (again), the bit where he dispossesses the Premier League's top goalscorer, Michu, by our own corner flag, calmly feeds the ball in to Coleman, and Everton score a length of the pitch top quality goal. Seriously mate, watch the game again with a pen a paper and count what happens (a) when Neville gets the ball, but especially (b) when Swansea attack, if you don't believe me. Do it, then get back to me. Otherwise, accept that a pub full of drunken football fans may not be the hotbed of analytical thought that you're assuming it to be. Most people agreed with you? Yeah, did you have the sound down? 20,000 Swansea fans thought the ref was making outrageous decisions against them every time he gave us a free kick. They weren't all correct either.

Kevin Hudson
177 Posted 23/09/2012 at 18:45:55
The criticism of Neville is simply petulant. I was there yesterday, and can attest that he did a fine job for the Blues, on AND off the ball.
Shane Corcoran
178 Posted 23/09/2012 at 19:07:46
Paul Gladwell, do you think that everyone played to the best of their ability yesterday and that it was a flawless performance all round?

Regardless of your answer, please join the debate and tell us why you think we should/shouldn't criticise the Blues' players.

It would be must more informative than the general statement you just posted.

Graham Mockford
179 Posted 23/09/2012 at 19:06:29
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the criticism of Phil is mainly lazy and ill considered. He may be reaching the final years of his career but a career that only a few could compare with. Selected over 200 times by SAF, over 200 times by DM and selected for England by 5 separate England managers. But hey what would any of them know he's obviously shit isn't he!

Good footballers come in all shapes and sizes. It's not all about scoring goals or defense splitting passes, some players create an environment for others to do that stuff. Cantona once described Didier Deschamps as a water carrier, I'm not sure it was a term of endearment but most sides need the water carrier, it allows the gifted players to do what they do best and rather pleasingly we have a few of those at the moment.
Phil Bellis
180 Posted 23/09/2012 at 19:15:32
Liam

Brett Angell – he was Dixie Dean compared to Bernie the Bolt!

I agree entirely on your point about perspective and I understand how younger fans can only go by what they have experienced. If I can give you any hope, since the second half last season against Swansea, and carried on this season, the way we are playing has me looking forward again to going to the match instead of out of habit and loyalty.

Instead of half a dozen decent players, we now have about 14, some top-class who, in various combinations, play well together and Moyesy has, apparently, let them off the leash. Whisper it quietly under your breath and keep a dignified optimism* but, this team is stirring up a belief I'd long forgotten, that our time may be coming again – and we are doing it despite the unevenness of the system.

A good season, keep up the fine football, extra cash as a result to replace and improve and who knows...

[* OK to gloat at the deludes, though.]

Eugene Ruane
181 Posted 23/09/2012 at 19:26:58
Well done Graham Mockford (539) for the weakest argument of the day.

"I've said it before and I'll say it again, the criticism of Phil is mainly lazy and ill considered. He may be reaching the final years of his career but a career that only a few could compare with. Selected over 200 times by SAF, over 200 times by DM and selected for England by 5 separate England managers. But hey what would any of them know he's obviously shit isn't he!"

The above, as an argument, is about as lazy and badly thought out as it gets.

Look, Ali was a genius in the ring.

Won Golden gloves, Olympic gold, heavyweight world title three times.

You think he should STILL be fighting?

As for the 'water carrier', yes of COURSE all teams need them.

But when they start dropping the bucket..

You crow about SAF picking him over 200 times?

Yeah he did.....THEN when he saw no more use for him - gone.

(whenever that was - seems about 15 years back?).

I genuinely like Phil Neville as a feller and I don't think he's 'a shit player', but with the football we are playing at the moment, his shortcomings ARE being exposed.

His touch and passing have never been great and at the moment, with the none-hoof, pass and move, intelligent stuff we're trying to play, this is being highlighted.

If, in the simplistic black-or-white world many TWs seem to exist in, that makes me ' A Neville-hater', I'll live with it.

Liam Morton
182 Posted 23/09/2012 at 19:51:05
! Are you sure Phil? Because Brett Angell managed to acheive something quite unique in the sense that he was considered one of our worst players ever, but also thought of equally at Sunderland, some acheivement right hehe?

Absoluetly Phil, we had some fine moments in 2005, 2007 and 2008 but this was before Tottenham and obviously Man City started investing heavily and we have gone through a bit of transition. Yup, but for once we have managed to continue the momentum of a strong second half finish to start the consecutive season strongly.

There is a lot of talk about Champions League football, maybe a bit premature but I think if things go our way it can happen but Man Utd, City, Chelsea and Arsenal are all very strong.

But I agree Phil, if we make it or don't make it, the consolation will hopefully be watching next season's Merseyside derby, Liverpool vs Tranmere Rovers!
Graham Mockford
183 Posted 23/09/2012 at 19:51:58
Thanks Eugene for your assessment of my argument. You get to the nub of it, however, in we can both agree on his former achievements as a player but what it comes down to is: Is he good enough now? Obviously this is where we sort of disagree.

We would probably both agree that the preferred option in that position is Gibson (but I wouldn't want to put words in your mouth). I still believe Neville is our best option as a holding midfielder in the absence of Gibson evidenced by our best start to a season for some while.

His best role for us will be at right back but at the moment needs must. My point which I'm obviously labouring is he is always the easy target and that pisses me of because I think he deserves better, but hey what do the fuck I know. But DM does know!
Mike Green
184 Posted 23/09/2012 at 19:59:10
Eugene 544 - youre right, watching Neville yesterday was like watching a version of the others in slow mo. I've got absolute respect for Phil Neville but his limitations are starting to glare. Get the ball, stop it, look up, turn, go sideways, look up, look down, look back at player, kick, keep running, keep going, keep on keeping on.

Like I said, he's seems to be a good, solid bloke and he's got more decoration than Crown but he's becoming the past and Gibson, Mirallas, Jelly etc are the future.

Phil Bellis
185 Posted 23/09/2012 at 20:06:11
Nice one! Liam.

I'm off out later to wind up Brent's Boys (latest I've had is they've not had the money that we've had to spend this close season - honest!).

I'll watch MOTD2 in the pub just for their other-worldly reactions and look at how they're team are doing – best take me specs though as I can't see that far down the table.
Mike Green
186 Posted 23/09/2012 at 20:16:31
Plus the whole "the thing you're missing about Pip is the stuff you don't see, and if you don't see it then you're never going to see it..." line. I can accept that perspective when it's bolted on to core competences (i.e. Jelavic is a great goalscorer but what you don't see is the stuff you don't see, you know... the stuff that's a bit vague and hard to pin down but makes me sound like I know what I'm talking about....)

The bottom line is: In the core competences Pip is being left behind by a squad that is starting to sparkle. It's a good thing and at his time in his career one I'm sure he's glad to be part of instead of trying to keep a sinking ship afloat.

Good player, great ambassador, but he will know better than anyone within two years it's over.

Mike Andrews
187 Posted 23/09/2012 at 20:25:11
Just watched Laudrup's interview on BBC. How refreshing to see a manager give credit where it is due, not rise to reporter's baiting about a possible handball and be honest about his own part in a defeat.
Peter Mills
188 Posted 23/09/2012 at 21:17:00
Sitting back after a long drive back from Swansea this afternoon following a good Saturday night out in south Wales.

Just a quick post about Swansea. I'd never been to the ground before but was impressed with it. We arrived about 11:00am and were able to get a pint at a bar right outside the ground, no hassle whatsoever and a bit of a laugh with a few of their guys. Generally I found them to be pretty knowledgable and sporting, and after the match the expression they kept using was "Men against boys". No niggles, just a few moans about the referee and how easily Pienaar goes to ground (I couldn't really argue!). Good luck to them, perhaps they got rid of Brenda at the right time.

An excellent day out. Like many, I suspect, I was still a bit anxious at 2-0 up, knowing that we should have been 7 or 8 up at the time. But I'd take a similar result every match. Someone is going to be in for a hiding before long.
Peter Mills
189 Posted 23/09/2012 at 21:51:00
One more thing. The Swansea announcer was very complimentary to Everton and the supporters pre-match about the Hillsborough tribute on Monday night, and so were several people on 5 Live on the way home this afternoon.

We complain very quickly about some of the Club's inadequacies. We should recognise it when they get things right.
Mick Davies
190 Posted 23/09/2012 at 23:47:26
I agree with some the comments about Nev, he is a great leader and smashing bloke, yet I think he's only there until Gibbo is back. Coleman and Mirallas should be allowed to build up their promising understanding and Hibbert should be benched. He always seems to have an automatic right to play, but not on merit. I'd like to see Felli brought back to play alongside Gibbo and Jellyfish partnering Vic, that would be some side:

Howard, Coleman, Heitinga, Jagielka, Baines, Mirallas, Fellaini, Gibson, Pienaar, Anichebe, Jelavic. Full of attacking flair and balls too!
Mick Davies
191 Posted 24/09/2012 at 03:16:38
Here's the player rating's from the 'Independent'

Everton: HOWARD 7; BAINES 7; HEITINGA 7; JAGIELKA 7; COLEMAN 7; PIENAAR 7; NEVILLE 7; MIRALLAS 8; FELLAINI 8; ANICHEBE 9; PIENAAR 7

They award Anichebe the MotM accolade. Interestingly they rate Pienaar twice and overlook Osman's contribution!!!
Jamie Sweet
192 Posted 24/09/2012 at 04:45:38
If you listen to Vic's interview after the game (once you get past the distraction of him saying "you know" every other word) you do get the feeling that he is growing up a bit.

He mentions that he has been watching and learning from Jelavic which is helping to get him in better striking positions. I think he will have taken note of Jela's work rate too. Previously Vic would have been learning from our former senior strikers, Saha & Yak, which is probably where his tendency to be a bit lazy came from.

Let's hope he continues to reap the benefits of learning from a player as classy as NJ.

Geoff Trenner
193 Posted 24/09/2012 at 08:46:50
Well said Peter @ 564, made me feel really proud of my club
Paul Devine
194 Posted 24/09/2012 at 11:19:25
I am still smarting from the fact we don't have 12 points after beating Newcastle 4-2 last Monday. I will only get over this when I see us in a situation where we did not deserve 3 points but got them awarded due to a dubious decision. Then and only then, will the vague and unscientific waffle 'these things level out over the season' begin to be palatable.

Anyway, momentum was not impacted. We responded perfectly.

Everton are now solidly becoming a team that are too much to handle. We used to have to handle other sides, and scrape a win with a one goal margin. We were good at that. Now we are beating teams 3-0 away.

Pienaar was class, so was Mirallas. We have two pacey lads who are not afraid of going at sides. It will be interesting to see what happens with Jelavic's return. I would start Anichebe just to recognise his efforts and semi-decent form and then would bring on Jelavic for impact if needed. If Jelavic then produces the goods, he reverts back to first striker because overall he is different league to Vic.

Neville can still contribute and will continue to do so, but to be honest, Baines needs to be prepared for the armband, and Gibson needs to fill Neville's boots full time when back.

Christmas signings: a dedicated rightback to transition Hibbert out, loan cover for Gibson, bring back Barkley and then we are good (injuries permitting). Maybe a shrewd striker on loan to cover for the slightly lightweight Jelavic, Anichebe 1,2.

One game at a time. Next cup final is against Southampton next week. Just get 3 points and keep momentum. One game at a time. Pundits keep talking about our neighbours aiming for top 6 and club stature etc and history and then don't get a result on the pitch. Let's just win the very next league game and watch City and Arsenal share points etc. Points make tallies and the one at the end of the year determines where you finish. So far, very satisfied.

Mike Allison
195 Posted 24/09/2012 at 15:21:00
Mike (553) they're not that vague, I've listed them twice in the last three days. Here's for third time lucky. The key one is picking up loose balls, he does that more than anyone else in our team. He also closes down opponents when they begin attacks, preventing them from taking any time to make decisions, as well as often preventing potentially killer passes. He fills in positions behind other players who go forward, in particular our full backs, Baines especially, know they can attack, adding width and stretching our opponents, because Phil Neville holds a position in front of the defence from where he can cover them. He also organises people, when we press as a team and close the opposition down, he is often at the core of the decision to do that. I also think he generally uses the ball perfectly well, he basically gives very simple short passes to better players, then moves and offers himself as an outlet. Against Newcastle he was very effective a couple of times in being the central conduit through whom we could switch play from wing to wing, thus stretching the opposition defence and creating gaps for the guys further forward.

If your really don't believe me, or haven't noticed this, I urge you to watch the Swansea game and the Newcastle game (first half especially). At one point it seemed every time Swansea tried to get the ball out of defence Phil Neville was either picking up the clearance, intercepting the pass, pressuring the front man's first touch, or forcing a dribbling opponent down a blind alley enabling us to win the ball. Maybe its just because I've played a lot in defence and defensive midfield, but those things are as clear to me when I watch football as a good pass or clearing header, but many don't seem to see them at all. So there's no mystery, it makes me sound clever, there's those who pay attention and see it all and those who don't. Watch the Swansea game again, bearing in mind what I've said. If you want it in microcosm, watch the second goal.

Mike Allison
196 Posted 24/09/2012 at 15:30:00
My penultimate sentence didn't come out right, it was a reference to where you say:

" the stuff that's a bit vague and hard to pin down but makes me sound like I know what I'm talking about....) "

My point is that these are just normal parts of football that everyone should know about and notice but many people don't seem to, as if they did, Phil Neville would not be having this much negative stuff written about him.

Mike Powell
197 Posted 24/09/2012 at 16:12:46
Mike, I have watched it again. Yes, Neville takes the ball off their player and plays it to Coleman but he also gave the ball away numerous times.

Don't get me wrong: I would play him at right back all day but not CM — he just has not got it any more to be in the middle of the park. You need someone who can pass and he can't... so we will have to disagree on how well he played. As I said, that is the only negative about the game because that's the best we have played for years. I hope we keep it up. COYB
Paul Kelly
198 Posted 25/09/2012 at 00:53:30
Could get drawn into the Pip debate all day long. But on another note:

Our odds on winning the league went from 20/1 to 5/1. we're now the same as the shite. SSN ( I think)

Paul Kelly
199 Posted 25/09/2012 at 00:58:09
Think I dreamt those odds up. But we are the same as the shite at 100/1.

( WTF was I drinking )

Stef Chedgzoy
200 Posted 25/09/2012 at 01:29:32
paul kelly, the odds you first quoted was to finish in the top 4
Paul Kelly
201 Posted 25/09/2012 at 01:33:58
Cheers Stef, thought I was going mad, knew I'd seen something.

Paul Kelly
202 Posted 25/09/2012 at 01:40:39
Let's resign Saturday to the 'One of the best performances since my kid shat yellow' category (he's nearly ten).

The thing I'm not so gutted about is the fact we're the same odds as the shite to finsh in the top four ( cheers Stef ). Early days I know, but we finished above them last season, they've been ..........blah blah blah.....wank.

Just something else to chat about, I know were my cash is going.


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