Moyes: Contract talks unlikely before the end of January

If Moyes were to have Everton sitting pretty in the top 4 come Christmas, BK would say:

"Davey Boy, there's no need to add to the squad, in fact why don't we slow-pedal from here and maybe let one of our major assets go in order to keep the bank off my back. After all, Davey, the club is bigger than the manager or any player."

If Moyes's team is struggling come Christmas, BK would say to DM:

"Well, Davey Boy, I know you need additions but you realise that you'll have to sell before we buy – and by the way, if you could reduce the wage bill at the same time, that would keep the bank off my back."

To say our supporters are and have been conned is an understatement; it is a disgrace to the name of Everton FC and all it stands for!

2013 could well be an unlucky year, unless of course BK pulls a rabbit out of the hat.

We must pull off some very good results against some of the allegedly better teams in the PL, starting tonight with a win against Arsenal. It's down to the players, then the manager and then ultimately the board to make sure the next period is a step in the right direction.

Sadly though, money talks and players walk....so lets see how we stand at the end of January as that will be a barometer as to how ambitious the Club really is.

Gonna be a chilly one tonight!

I reckon that Moyes could be off at the end of the season, along with Fellaini and maybe one or two others; we don't have the squad or the luck to make top 4. All part of BK's long term plan to lower the wage bill?

Does he really... well, whoopy de do for Davey.

Piss off you cheeky get, you'll be found out soon enough.

What may keep him is that he picks up £65k a week and is fireproof at Everton.

My forecast: Moyes gone at end of season. Fellaine and baines sold for £40 million. Thespian Ken remaining for us to complain about...... BooHoo!

Davey is frustrated and wants to know where the club stands in its ambitions (:)) ). BK is not ambitious at all and is content to survive as a club and take whatever plaudits the players earn by occasionally competing with the top four despite our small squad.

DM has the safest job in football but perhaps he is reaching the end of his tether and I for one do not blame him. He has basically dragged this team into outperforming most of the Premier League teams without finances. We are running on the smallest squad in the league and just praying for luck with injuries.

If we actually made the top 4 or 5 how could we compete in Europe with the present squad? Our youngsters do not appear to be up to scratch and we are signing players who have been released by lesser teams eg; McFadden, Hahnemann and now Hitzlsperger.

Just take a look at our pathetic bench compared to virtually every other team in the league. We desperately need replacements for Neville and Distin and very shortly Osman, Hibbert and Howard. We have no competition for Jelavic or Baines and scouting in Scotland is futile as there are no decent Scots available... they have not produced a world class player for ages.

It's regularly reported that other clubs are active in the transfer market and it's noticeable that whenever any other club shows interest in a player we drop out of the race! No-one showed interest in Fellaini, Beckford, Vellios, Jelavic, Naismith or Heitinga. Two have been decent acquisitions, Jelavic and Felli, the others are just journeymen.

Where is the money that was received for Arteta, Rodwell, Yakubu, Yobo, Beckford, Vaughan and Cahill? Where is the money that has been saved on their wages? We consistently loan out lots of players supposedly for their development but none seem to be pushing for a first-team place.

Fans tend to just see results and when we win a game it lets BK off the hook for a week or two. He will not invest in players unless we really slide and the fans stop watching the team. His goal is 40 points and that's about all, DM can stay as long as he wants so long as he toes the company line.....!!

I would say Tottenham or possibly Newcastle would be the only viable options for him if looking to stay at the same sort of level.

Maybe he's thinking abroad. Celtic? Then he'd win some trophies for sure and get to play in Europe.

If not for DM.......... we could well have gone the way of Leeds or Notts Forest.
And if we lose DM, it could well be back to relegation dog fights. Remember those? been a few years eh? Even taking into account the last 2 games, for the most part I'm enjoying watching us this season. And, yes, everything is far from perfect, but everything is not lost. Chin up.

The kings of hindsight will always be there to knock DM......... fact is they can’t name the name of a better manager who would take the job. Bearing in mind that efficiency and resourcefulness is a requisite of managing Everton.

Hopefully BK will listen, and find something for us in January... This CB, and a couple of loans surely wouldn't be too problematic? I'd feel a lot more confident with Donovan/Sturridge and Vadis Odjidja-Ofoe/Ramsay in the squad.

I don't think he wants the world in January, just the potential of adding much needed numbers to the squad.

I might try the same by suggesting that I might not buy my missus anything for Christmas and then slowly slip into decline as she does the off.

I don't think the banks will listen in either case.

I'm looking forward to the game tonight. It's a fact when we play the top teams we always give it our all. It's only when we play supposedly easy games that some of our players seem to not be bothered. But as our bad patch resulted in nothing but draws when we deserved to win and we're still 5th, I think all is still very positive and hopefully David's ace card will see further investment.

He bullshitted Moyes the last time he signed and he isn't gonna get away with it again. The players are also well wise to him now, and they probably don't give a shit about the boys pen.

I think Moyes is probably more concerned about who we lose in January and whether or not it will be 'last minute' with no time to re invest.

Is this the start of the end of Bill Kenwright?

Here's hoping.

That would keep January smooth and untroubled. May even produce more than a zero net spend.

I don't think he cares that another job is not available. How long do you think someone with his pedigree (I know he hasn't won a trophy but who has outside of the billionaires' club?) will be out of work? In fact, he may even welcome a break at this stage.

He knows the fans are getting restless and will want to go out clean, ie, honoured his contract, still admired by most supporters and football pundits, and reputation unblemished.

You don't know what you got till it's gone.

"Moyes is playing a tactical game."

Who showed him how to use tactics?

Moyes has some faults, but I expect our next manager is more likely to take us down than achieve more success than Moyes, given our resources.

His over cautious, boring, do nothing till its too late style raised its ugly head against Norwich and jogged me back to my senses. I just dream about the man taking a bleeding chance for once in his life. Giving Barkley a game( like Sterling gets a chance in the RS), giving Mucha a chance (to give Howard a kick up the arse), using Subs to actually change a game and even smiling for christ sake, but no, leopards do not change their spots.

God knows who can replace him, but I am getting to the point where I cannot bear to see his sour bloody face anymore. Give me someone who will put a smile back on our faces......!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2239727/Top-30-best-paid-football-managers-world--Sir-Alex-Ferguson-England-boss-Roy-Hodgson-Jose-Mourinho-tops-list.html

I'd suggest that by looking at his league finishes in relation to other teams who have spent a similar amount (or even catastrophically more) and his recent record against the top teams at home you'd see that he's not in fact tactically inept compared to the other managers in the premier league.

As for what happens if/when he leaves, then god knows, we'll be lucky to entice even an average manager, 'here's a club full of another manager's players, there's no money in the bank and a debt that needs servicing, and the expectation of the fan base is top 4 and a trophy or you're tactically inept, btw Liverpool and Tottenham have just spent 200 million between them and Arsenal bought your best player before you arrived yet we still expect you to finish ahead of all three, Good Luck'

Davey can have 10+ years of not winning anything and still sleep the best out of practically any manager in the Premiership... Yeah, he's not going anywhere.

As Vince Vaughn would say "I like where your head is at"... DM is doing the best to pull some cash out of these tightwads (Or maybe it's all a media stunt derived by BK) regardless, a fish rots at the head and until that situation is fixed, we will forever be the little pipsqueaks that are running in circles usually to be found somewhere between 6th and 10th in the table...

Success is relative.Moyes has given us some good times, some grand football and consistent league finishes. For a poor club like ours is It realistic to expect more? I'm desperate to see us compete at the top, but no one anywhere gets closer. His record is second to none.

I don't blame him for sending a clear message. If he goes then there's probably a better than evens chance we 'll end up like villa Sunderland or Newcastle. Mid table fodder with the occasional upward blip.

Please don't sign. I'm thankful for everything you've done for us but it's time to move on and let someone else have a go.

He's got the best job in the world. A chairman who is in a mutual double act of appreciation. No threat of the sack, no pressure to win a trophy. Forty points a season is all it takes. I challenge any Evertonian to name a better job that David Moyes would be nailed on to get.

Bloody tiresome now, hopefully the next lad will have a bit more about him and bring some unity back.

I have my doubts about the £70k talk but, even if it is true, a good manger is a valuable as player, so relatively speaking it's not that offensive a figure for the modern game. Plus some of Moyes's net gains of in the transfer market have yielded returns in the regions of 300-400%.

And, as I mentioned before, when you judge managerial expertise, you have to look at inputs relative to outputs. Not just outputs. Of course I want more out of Everton, I just know what can “legitimately” be asked for given the financial structure of the modern game (post Bosman). The way some people talk here it’s like they think New Manager = New Money.

I for one do not believe that any manager in the Premier League would have done as well as he has with such a limited budget, and I'm including Wenger and Ferguson. If we make the top 6 this season it will be yet another miracle, top 4 is a dream! We do not have the squad to realize this dream unless major investment is made... end of!!

Top 4 would be fantastic
Top 5 I could live with, as we can financial build from and are on TV more.
Top 6 I’m very disappointed but I cannot legitimately call for the mangers head for that reason alone. Especially when I don’t believe there is anybody out there that can do a better job.

……. And to see us play some nice football, which I feel, by and large, we are.

In the current state of financial play the top 3 teams will always be Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea.
Arsenal and Liverpool are next natural tier (but inconsistency render them slippy)
Spurs and Everton are the next level of contenders and rely somewhat on slippage from the Arsenal and Liverpool.

Which team is the odd one out in that list? We are, because we are by far the poorest of that group, and that’s how I legitimize my expectations. Clear enough for you?

When I refer to the natural order, I am doing so in regards “average aggregation”. That is to say, there may be odd skips to that, but then the positioning restores itself. For example, Rafa at Chelsea is cause to consider a possible slip this year for Chelsea. Other than that, for an exogenous shock of some kind, for example a big capital foreign buyout (or new effective financial rules of some kind) the current natural order remains in place.

Now, I may be bias, but I actually think we are currently playing better football than all but the top 3 (admittedly I have not seen much of Spurs this season) which is another reason why I appreciate DM.

If you think I’m wrong that’s fine, but that’s how I legitimize my expectation of Everton and Moyes. If you have some opposing view, all I ask it that you put some logic into it, an just dispense criticism for the sake of criticism.

What are the Moyes bashers looking for? The treble by the sounds of things sometimes. Good luck, you’ll only know the value of DM when you lose him.

I like this idea of expanding the Champions league, that could be good for us.

His remit for the last 10 years has been to keep this club in the Premier League.

He has an excellent record in finding value for money in the transfer market –along with a few poor buys – but what manager hasn't ?

A miracle worker? Do me a favour. He has set many records in his ten years at the club, but many blank these stat's out as a blip. They will list his 4th placed finish, but forget we came extremely close to being relegated by finishing 17th.

He has said himself: "I wouldn't have paid to watch Everton last season, we were rubbish."

This is after 10 full seasons to put his stamp on a side.

Anyone screaming that we will be relegated if he leaves is deluded. We have a good side of extremely well paid International footballers, a lot of them on top 6 PL payscales.

He has been hamstrung by this board, but we still employ first team players on £50 -70k a week.

People ask " Who would we get?" Well, we do know there would be a queue around Goodison Road for his job – one of the biggest in football.

£3m a year to just for keeping us up is a pretty good deal for any manager in my eyes.

If we continue to improve with our new brand of attacking football, I hope he stays, but he is not irreplaceable by any means.

Wow: "exogenous" — triple word score!

Very impressive. I think it's safe to say, in 18 years, no-one on ToffeeWeb has managed to use that word. Respect!

Oh... but you let yourself down instantly in the next sentence for 'bias' instead of 'biased'. Shame...

The sub text is the pool he competes against is looking worse – not better, and foreign managers rarely make it.

Benitez back, O'Neill on the slide, Hughes failed, 8-year pressure on Wegner, Lambert failing, Rodgers failing, Pardew 8-year contract and now on the slide, AVB not winning over Spurs fans.

£3m a season plugging a £5m deficit. Applicants apply within.