Ross Barkley to avoid being cup-tied

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Leeds United take on Spurs in the FA Cup on Sunday but, according to the Yorkshire Evening Post, Everton have withheld permission for Ross Barkley to play so that he does not become cup-tied.

The midfielder is on a month-long loan from the Blues and is due to return to Goodison next but he will miss Sunday's tie, apparently at David Moyes's request.

With Everton facing Bolton in their fourth round tie the day before, however, Leeds boss Neil Warnock says: “We're looking into whether he could play if Everton lose.”

Barkley had a spell on loan at Sheffield Wednesday earlier this season as Moyes broadens his first-team experience and may need the teenager at Everton should injuries continue to disrupt the Blues' quest for Europe.

Quotes or other material sourced from Yorkshire Evening Post



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Steve Jones
1 Posted 23/01/2013 at 15:00:24
Can't understand why the press list him as a winger, nonetheless he is getting good reviews and experience there, Ian Snodin has got good feedback from his own lad who is in the Under-21s according to the Echo, they can see Barkley's pedigree.
Let's hope he is still potentially cup tied on Sunday.
Mark Tanton
2 Posted 23/01/2013 at 15:16:36
So like a new signing really?! I thought the way he was treated was a disgrace when Moyes brought him back.
Jon Ferguson
3 Posted 23/01/2013 at 15:29:14
Interesting - I (like pretty much everybody else) would love to see him in our first team. I'm not disappointed he's gone on loan to Leeds, in the short time there he has already made a big impression, hopefully he'll be back before the end of the season and getting some first team experience with us before next season. I predict uproar if he's not featuring for us regularly next season.
Mark Stone
4 Posted 23/01/2013 at 15:46:13
I have no idea how he was treated when he came back.
Peter Jones
5 Posted 23/01/2013 at 16:58:55
Ross may as well play for Leeds in the FA Cup because Moyes sure as hell isn't going to use him when he comes back. If he was Scottish or over 30 with declining skills, he'd be in the first eleven for sure then.
Tony J Williams
6 Posted 23/01/2013 at 17:13:05
Yeah, that's exactly it Peter....... "Scottish or over 30", that's our team in 4 words.
Tony J Williams
7 Posted 23/01/2013 at 17:19:00
"in the short time there he has already made a big impression, " - He's played two games, they lost the first 2-0 and then managed a 1-0 win against the bottom team....and he was subbed.

I hope he is the "real deal" but lets not go overboard about him et.

Barry White
8 Posted 23/01/2013 at 17:19:41
The lad wasn't exactly pulling up trees when he came on the other week. From what I've seen of Barkley, he's over-rated.
Jon Ferguson
9 Posted 23/01/2013 at 17:22:38
Tony - I see your point, but, according to Snods at least, he has played really well in both games (despite losing one) and the dressing room see him as a top quality player. That's what I meant by 'big impression'. I agree that there is far too much hype on young English players.
Tony J Williams
10 Posted 23/01/2013 at 17:29:38
Jon, don't get me wrong, I hope it makes it and becomes a star for us. The problem we have is that we are always on the look out for another Rooney.....If he was half as good as Rooney, he would definitely be in the team already.
Sam Hoare
11 Posted 23/01/2013 at 17:34:02
Peter Jones, what a silly comment given that we have only one scot in our team and he is 26....
Phil Sammon
12 Posted 23/01/2013 at 19:36:44
Just let him play for them. Jesus, he's our 6th choice CM for crying out loud.

I thought he was going there for experience. If its sitting in the stands experience then he can come do that for us.

Paul David
13 Posted 23/01/2013 at 20:53:59
Moyes wouldn't play him when we were short on midfielders so theres no chance he will play him in the latter stages of the cup.
Harold Matthews
14 Posted 23/01/2013 at 20:46:41
The lad has all the skill in the world and can score goals. Unfortunately, he has lost all his former sharpness.At Sheffield he showed nice touches but was completely devoid of pace and, when not on the ball, he stood around daydreaming.

Back at our place the fact that Oscar managed to pinch the ball off him didn't bother me. It can happen to anyone. A Swansea lad was robbed by Oscar in exactly the same manner tonight. What did concern me was the sight of this young man chasing back with the leg speed of a pensioner Afresh teenager who had not had time to get tired..

As a kid he was a quick, sharp wonderboy, Took your breath away. "The future of England." noted Rio Ferdinand. Since then,of course, he has grown quite a few inches, increased in weight and suffered a multiple legbreak. The desire has certainly not diminished. He wants the ball all the time. Let's hope the Leeds experience helps sharpen him up, Mentally and physically. Premiership pace can only come from training and playing with Premiership players.

Si Cooper
15 Posted 24/01/2013 at 00:37:02
Don't know about his second game for Leeds but this was posted by a Barnsley fan on a forum after that one:

"Anonymous said...
Very honest assessment. Not sure what it is but Leeds don't seem to turn up against us at Oakwell, or at least in recent years. That's Harewood's best performance in a reds shirt and Dagnall's first league goals for us in the year he's been at the club.

Thought Barkley looked a very exciting prospect, I can see why the Wendies were suicidal when he was recalled, even the ever reliable Dawson and Perkins we're struggling to get near him early in the 2nd half, and had the penalty not come, I think Leeds may have just nicked it, as they certainly came out in the 2nd half the better side."

You could also find many like this when he was at Wednesday. Seems to me some TWers only take notice of his bad reviews and talk up his mistakes something shocking.

Harold Matthews
16 Posted 24/01/2013 at 01:39:36
Si. I saw his Sheffield outings but have yet to see him play for Leeds. The report from the Barnsley fan certainly quickened my heartbeat. "Struggling to get near him."....Now that sounds like the real Ross Barkley. Technically he has it all, always did have. What was missing was his former sharpness and maybe it's coming back....Dare we dream.
Anto Byrne
17 Posted 24/01/2013 at 03:09:08
Both the Shite and Soton play 17-year-olds and not for 5 minute cameos. If ever we had such a frustrating manager who never gives his kids any game time and then expects them to perform. It's all been said before.

I also thought Monday's performance was unacceptable but then the Moyes we know comes out and says he is happy with a point. I see us down to 7/8th very soon the way we are playing: toothless up front, devoid of any creativity in the middle, and suspect at the back.

On a more positive note, it's our second clean sheet in a row. Whooopee!!!!

Looks like the Shite and Arsenal are stepping up and we are stepping down. Half-season wonders. Your time is up, Mr Moyes it's all gone stale and so predictable. Bolton, ahem.....

Tom Dodds
18 Posted 24/01/2013 at 07:49:53
Just been reading an article in the daily Express on news-now link which has a good in depth feature on Jose Baxter,the gist of it being as im sure a fair few know,that Baxter turned down a contract with Everton because he refused to hang round warming the bench....
Or probably wait till his 30th birthday before hes considered reliable.
Hes in Oldham's team facing Liverpool in the FA Cup on monday night.

Am startin to feel too worn down now after so many posts on this matter and probably the same with other posters, the youth at this club are doomed to languish at Finch Farm till kingdom come... Or worse till Osman and Neville retire

Phil Sammon
19 Posted 24/01/2013 at 10:39:09
5th, Anto. We're 5th.
Sam Hoare
20 Posted 24/01/2013 at 10:55:35
Anto, Aston Villa play a bunch of 17 year olds and look how its working out for them. If Barkley had been doing well enough in training or reserve games he would start. He clearly hasn't and as harold says still needs to find a bit more sharpness...hence the wisdom in sending him out on loan.
Paul David
21 Posted 24/01/2013 at 10:59:21
I think theres a difference between giving young players some decent time on the pitch and packing your team full of kids and reying on them week in week out.

I think if a youngster doesnt impress on the training pitch or reserve games its reasonable not to expect him to play in the first team but that logic goes out the window when we see senior players stink the place out every week and not get dropped.

Sam Hoare
22 Posted 24/01/2013 at 11:09:56
Paul, Moyes watches them every day; if he genuinely thought Barkley could bring more to the team all round than any of the first team players then he would be starting. But he doesn't. I don't understand why people think Moyes would deliberately hold back a player if he was so clearly much more able than the other players?

Paul David
23 Posted 24/01/2013 at 11:22:21
Sam

Explain Naismith then.

Sam Hoare
24 Posted 24/01/2013 at 11:26:40
Naismith has had some poor games for us but Moyes clearly rates him. Possibly this is due to his work rate or the fact that he seems prone to popping up in goalscoring positions. Perhaps he has been doing things in training that haven't quite transferred onto the pitch though I actually thoughts he had some decent moments vs southampton.

How would you explain Moyes deciding to play a player who he thought offered less to the team than someone else? Blackmail? Favouritism? Moyes is a consumate professional and if he puts someone out there it is because he thinks that player will contribute in some way to the team getting points.

Paul David
25 Posted 24/01/2013 at 11:34:18
All I can say is that Naismith must look like Maradona in training but even if he does, should that be enough when he is utter shite on the pitch?

I think its obvious Moyes favours some players regardless of how they play. Naismith now but theres plenty of examples. Neville in midfield, Anichebe on the wing, Osman on the wing, Cahill's last 18 months, Arteta's last season. Theres been quite a few players who can't play certain positions or players who go through extended periods of lost form and never get dropped.

I honestly believe Moyes decides on his strongest 11 at the start of a season and religiously sticks to it, only injuries not form decide if someone elses plays.

Tony Marsh
26 Posted 24/01/2013 at 11:40:54
It's a well known fact Moyes is a Grade A Seargent Major type. I honestly believe Moyes doesn't like the young local lads brought through by the club. It started years ago with Rooney whose treatment by Moyes was a joke. It's now got to a farcical stage with Barkley. In-between, there's been Baxter, Wallace shipped out to Tranmere who is playing out of his skin... surely better than Neville, the list is endless.

Moyes doesn't like the cocky swaggering type of player most young scouse lads would be. Moyes prefers grafters who keep their heads down and say fuck all. If you don't believe me, name me one player in our current squad or past squads who is a proper leader who shouts and gets stuck in. Where have the flair players been for the last 10 years?

Moyes is a bully who wants it all his own way. Times have changed: you can't treat Premier League footballers like Brain Clough used to do... The kids make one mistake or have a bust-up and they are frozen out then shunted out. Rooney exposed Moyes for what he is. You wont see another kid come through as long as Deadly Dave remains.

Steavey Buckley
27 Posted 24/01/2013 at 11:53:10
""Naismith has had some poor games for us"" he will be in good company on Saturday when he is joined by Neville and Osman in midfield.
Brent Stephens
28 Posted 24/01/2013 at 12:20:55
Steavey #184, what a crass statement. Can't you wait until they've played before you have a go? Ossie's been easily one of the better players this season. His last game was a shocker but so it was for the team generally.
Daniel A Johnson
29 Posted 24/01/2013 at 12:24:11
Stay at Leeds Barkley.............actually, get comfy there and get some game time.

Coz you aint getting any under David Moyes, despite the Osman's, neville's and naimsiths of this world getting starts every match

Tony J Williams
30 Posted 24/01/2013 at 12:25:31
Hopefully Neville won't be in midfield on Saturday.
Steavey Buckley
31 Posted 24/01/2013 at 12:24:10
"'Can't you wait until they've played before you have a go? Ossie's been easily one of the better players this season. His last game was a shocker but so it was for the team generally.""

The midfield has been short (note the pun) on strength and ideas when Gibson is not playing. Everton went into the present season lacking another quality midfield player, when the much touted Belgium what's his name was not granted FIFA clearance. Sure Osman can play, when Gibson's about to back up him. But not when Neville is playing, he can hardly pass the ball.

Sam Hoare
32 Posted 24/01/2013 at 12:41:12
Paul, he may favour some but why? His only concern is get to win points. If he favours someone it is because he believes that player will help achieve that goal. Why else would he play certain players?
Brent Stephens
33 Posted 24/01/2013 at 12:58:42
Steavey, you imply that Ossie can't pass when Pip is alongside him? Why should that be?
Steavey Buckley
34 Posted 24/01/2013 at 13:05:09
Osman is no world beater. If he is playing alongside Neville he will find himself out muscled by the opposition, which happened a lot against Southampton and in other matches I have seen this season. Some players look a lot better when better players are around them and doing well. But since Gibson is missing and the Pienaar/Baines axis is off colour at the mo, Osman looks lost.
Brent Stephens
35 Posted 24/01/2013 at 13:19:12
Steavey. I don't think anybody is claiming Ossie is a world beater so set up that aunt sally?

And I can't see that someone is or isn't going to be knocked off the ball, depending on who's "alongside" them. How close do you think Gibson gets to Ossie, ffs!

Paul David
36 Posted 24/01/2013 at 13:19:21
Sam,

I have no idea why he favours some players over others, its something only Moyes could answer. I think 99% of supporters wouldn't have Naismith on the pitch but it's Moyes who picks the team and what he see's in him I'll never know.

Sam Jennings
37 Posted 24/01/2013 at 13:33:22
More than 99% Paul
Steavey Buckley
38 Posted 24/01/2013 at 13:39:09
""And I can't see that someone is or isn't going to be knocked off the ball, depending on who's "alongside" them. How close do you think Gibson gets to Ossie, ffs!""

Simply fact is, based on Osman's performances this season, he needs good players around him playing well, for him to play well as well. At the moment, him and Neville in midfield looks dire.

Kevin Hudson
39 Posted 24/01/2013 at 13:50:05
The Barkley debate is predicated by this:

His fan club - who have witnessed a couple of cameo's, such as when he "ran the show," in a pre-season friendly, and are keen to see more....

...against the judgement of one of the top managers in the country who has observed him a thousand times, and evidently doesn't think he's ready.

Ben Jones
40 Posted 24/01/2013 at 14:03:36
This is really off topic, but apparently according to BBC, we were the other club offering for M'Vila, £3 million up front in January then £3 million in the summer.

Maybe we do have some money after all.

Sam Hoare
41 Posted 24/01/2013 at 16:14:36
Paul, the simple answer is because he believes he will best facilitate the success of the team. Maybe hard to believe on recent performances but if anything it shows how little Barkley has impressed in his recent games and reserve performances.

Truth is that Moyes spends his entire time with a dedicated team analyising matches, performances etc and if there are players playing its probably because they are doing things right even if we can't always see them. For example, I see Neville as an extremely limited footballer and yet Moyes nearly always plays him. Not that I put too much faith in stats but our win rates with and without Neville in the team may give an insight.

Si Cooper
42 Posted 24/01/2013 at 17:34:27
Kevin (#214) - the question is, ready for what?

To start games and dominate top class premier league midfielders, or to come off the bench and offer something a bit different to what we already have in an effort to crack some of the lesser opponents we stall against? One is an obvious no-no (and yet the representation is that this is what people are clamouring for) and the other is a possibility but requires a certain amount of faith in the lad. The poisoned chalice of chasing the game against Chelsea was a desperate throw of the dice and left the lad hanging out to dry, but 20-30 minutes against a cautious Swansea may have been ideal (but we won't ever know because he wasn't available for that one).

DM obviously has more faith in known quantities than he does in fledgling players, only really using the latter when he has no other options. That may be a prudent approach but he does seem to take it to pathological levels. Apart from Rooney (who is near enough unique) can anyone think of a youngster who has been used by Davey who has really performed consistently? Its all been dribs and drabs, with none of them really securing a place in the team on merit until well into their twenties. It can be debated whether it is the potter or the clay, but it does mean there is no real evidence that the manager is particularly proficient at getting young players through the difficult transition from junior to senior football.

Sam et al argue that the manager has no prejudices, that he is simply working on what he sees in training, but unless they are mind-readers they can't really know how much of the way Ross Barkley is being handled is due to Davey's previous experience of young players (once bitten, twice shy kind of thing) compared to what he does in training. The speed that he has integrated into the teams at Wednesday and Leeds doesn't support the lack of maturity, application, or development that get bandied about on this site.

Then we get to statistics that support the manager's reliance on Pip. Great record, but it doesn't necessarily give a good reflection of recent contribution and is completely independent of future performance and what may be achieved by using players who haven't been available throughout the time those statistics are based on.

Brent Stephens
43 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:13:51
Steavey "Simply fact is" you didn't explain to us how somebody can be more or less easily knocked off a ball depending on who's alongside them!
Paul David
44 Posted 24/01/2013 at 20:40:15
Sam

Moyes has a dedicated team analyising matches, performances ect ..... then picks the same 11.

I also think its ridiculous that we as supporters can't see things that only managers can.


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