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Coleman ruled out with injury

by | 24/01/2013

Updated David Moyes has confirmed that the injury that Seamus Coleman sustained against Southampton on Monday will keep him out of tomorrow's FA Cup tie at Bolton Wanderers.

The defender has only just returned from an injury that kept him out of the side for 4 games over the Christmas holiday period, and it appeared on Monday night that he had injured himself overstretching to intercept an opposition player after 56 minutes.

In his pre-match press conference, Moyes also confirmed that while Darron Gibson is improving, he too will be sidelined for the trip to the Reebok Stadium.  

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Mark Tanton
228 Posted 24/01/2013 at 15:32:53
We're without several key players yet are having a very quiet, very 'Everton' transfer window. Tottenham might bring in Holtby early because of injuries in that position, and Liverpool will highly likely have spent over £20m quid before next week. We are, once again, watching others strenghten from the sidelines.
Dan McKie
230 Posted 24/01/2013 at 15:39:43
I'd like to think that this will keep Neville out of the centre of midfield, but it probably won't. It will be Jags at right back and Johnny coming in at centre back. One thing Everton never seem short on is square pegs.
Chris Keightley
232 Posted 24/01/2013 at 15:44:37
I'm stunned the club have not got a loan or a free in yet – surely someone has to look at the playing staff and say we can't continue down this route? Unfortunately injuries happen; does it require Fellaini or Baines to get injured before Everton react to the problem??
Trevor Lynes
233 Posted 24/01/2013 at 15:46:22
Watching other sides bolstering up their squads really dismays me. I would love someone to come in for Gueye, Heitinga and perhaps Naismith who would love to go back to Scotland I believe.

It does not seem likely that we will acquire any decent player of real Premier League standard. Maybe we will scratch about for a couple of cast offs or freebees and live in hope !!

Paul Andrews
234 Posted 24/01/2013 at 15:49:13
Look on the bright side.

When we get all our injured players back, it will be like 3 new signings.... it will be like 3 new signings... like 3 new signings.... 3 new signings.

Tony J Williams
235 Posted 24/01/2013 at 15:52:33
Seriously Dan, that post sent a shiver down my spine...... God this could be ugly on Saturday
Patrick Murphy
237 Posted 24/01/2013 at 16:08:15
If Neville plays and it's not at right back then Moyes' really will have lost the plot.
Colin Potter
243 Posted 24/01/2013 at 16:18:24
Patrick, he lost the plot a long time ago.
Chris Leyland
250 Posted 24/01/2013 at 16:22:43
Colin - what plot is that?

Is it the plot where we have a divine right to be successful because our Motto say 'Nil Satis'?

Is it the plot where Moyes should be winning trophies despite him being given little or no money to spend? Oh I forgot, you don't need to spend money to be successful in the Premier League and it is a shit argument that you do, despite the fact that the League is won by the team that have money to spend. The cups are won 9 times out of 10 by the clubs that have money to spend and the top 4 are invariably, yep those teams with money to spend.

Chris Leyland
251 Posted 24/01/2013 at 16:31:25
Patrick Murphy – on the subject of Neville, did you see the graphic they showed before the Southampton game which illustrated that, this season we have on average got 2 points a game when Neville plays and 1 point a game when he hasn't?

He has played in midfield for most of this season as Coleman has been right back. Therefore, do you think that this stat is simply a big coincidence?

Patrick Murphy
252 Posted 24/01/2013 at 16:33:23
It's a team game and whilst I don't object to Neville being in the team per se, but what I don't want is to see him in the midfield. Yes he has great influence on those around him and admittedly the results as you say prove that. But if he is the best solution to our midfield situation then we can forget about a top 6 place once and for all this season.

If Everton FC have the same ambitions as some of the posters on here, then it will be a happier club with happier fans when we're vying with a dozen other clubs for a return to the Premier League.

Terry Maher
253 Posted 24/01/2013 at 16:34:04
I've got a feeling, if Everton bring any one in, it will be a transfer deadline-day midfielder and striker on loan. It could be a good day if we're lucky... but I could be wrong.
Kevin Day
254 Posted 24/01/2013 at 16:41:18
It's going to take 11 injuries before our fucking piss poor excuse of a board put their short grubby little fat hands in their deep pockets.
Steve Edwards
255 Posted 24/01/2013 at 16:38:38
Bradford and Swansea haven't spent bucket loads of dosh but one of them will win the League Cup. Oh, yeah, they're the exception to the rule. That's a trophy more than Moyesey has won though. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Tony Marsh
257 Posted 24/01/2013 at 16:56:30
Shame if it's true. I still cant figure out the Vadis Ofoe thingy deal... If we wanted him with seconds to spare when the window closed, why aren't we in for him now? We haven't just gone off the idea in a matter of weeks have we? We really need Moyes to stand up to the board or leave or we will never get anywhere as a club. It's all too cosy "you scratch my back" bollocks.
Barry Rathbone
258 Posted 24/01/2013 at 16:53:50
Chris Leyland, you really should bin this impossibility of clubs winning trophies because of no money.

At least have the good grace to give it more than 24 hours before making a complete fool of yourself.

Patrick Murphy
260 Posted 24/01/2013 at 17:11:36
If Everton want success regardless of the finances perhaps Moyes should adopt Jurgen Klinsman's ideas. Obviously it is easier to act like this as a National coach, but I can't see anything wrong with his attitude.


Brent Stephens
262 Posted 24/01/2013 at 17:12:46
Barry, what have I missed about the next 24 hours? Why's that important? And why is Chris a complete fool?? Aren't the clubs winning trophies normally stacked with cash?
Trevor Lynes
265 Posted 24/01/2013 at 17:10:22
I fully agree regarding OFOE, if we only missed him due to the lateness of completing formalities, then whats the reason now ?
If we have gone off the idea of signing him then who's the alternative signing ?
There had better be something going on otherwise this board should be hung out to dry.
It looks like we may be without Coleman again so why not put Neville at fullback and try Oviedo in midfield he cannot do worse than Heitinga.
Im just sad that we have no youngsters with sufficient ability to play.
Its an indictment on both our coaching system and scouts.
I think we did excellent business with Rodwell as he did not develop sufficiently after a promising start.
Gosling is another who has shown no improvement either with us or at Newcastle.
Where is the next Rooney ?
Barry Rathbone
274 Posted 24/01/2013 at 17:35:25
Brent less than 24 hours ago 2 teams qualified for the League cup final, one isn't a Premier league club the other more or less survives on leeks. Within weeks one of them will have a shiny trophy to parade with tales of glory that will last forever.

By any stretch this kills the fallacy that unless you have money to rival City, Chelsea, Utd you cannot win a trophy. I might add any audacious manager might see the money boys dropping their stars as an opportunity in the cups... audacious mind!

David Barks
277 Posted 24/01/2013 at 17:56:50

The League Cup is a damn joke and you know it, just as every other club does. Sure, a lower division side and a team from Wales will go to Wembley to win some trophy, that should tell you all you need to know about how important that trophy is. I can go down the road and have a trophy made for myself, but it's the value that others put in it that matters. Nobody cares about the League Cup, nobody. That's why United couldn't care less and field weak teams, City don't care, Arsenal don't care, hardly anyone cares.

Hell, even the fans stay away from the much bigger FA Cup, it just doesn't matter. Finishing high in the league and trying to get into the Champions League, that's all that matters for most, and only 2 or 3 clubs actually have designs or the capability to win the league. United and City, they go for the league, with Chelsea starting the season thinking they have a chance. Everyone else knows they're fighting for 3rd and 4th, and maybe try to pick up the FA Cup or go far in the Champions League.

If that was the Champions League Final Chelsea would have came out roaring and wiped the floor with Swansea, but it wasn't. It was the pathetic League Cup. It offered them nothing but a distracting fixture and extra match while they're focused on trying to get into the Champions League.

David Barks
278 Posted 24/01/2013 at 18:04:57
And Barry,

When it comes to the "money boys dropping their stars", when it comes to the League Cup, we're one of those "money boys". Bigger and better things to worry about. Christ, could anyone image us trying to take on all those League Cup fixtures with our squad having the injury problems we already have. We'd struggle to field a healthy 11 at this point, let alone a bench.

Patrick Murphy
282 Posted 24/01/2013 at 18:14:59
What's the point of entering these competitions then? On the one hand a LC isn't worth the bother because it overstretches our limited squad, on the other an 'elite club' will probably win the FA Cup because of the Kudos it gives them and CL qualification is not really a target because 'elite clubs' can attain that level almost by default. Can't wait for the street parties in May when we manage to clinch 7th place.
Andy Crooks
287 Posted 24/01/2013 at 18:20:53
David Barks, a dreadful comment. Bradford beat strong Arsenal and Villa sides to get to the final of a trophy that most certainly isn't a damn joke. A day at Wembley for the supporters and you pour scorn on it.

Your comment is typical of the Moyes boys denigrating a trophy because he cannot fucking win it.

Tony Marsh
290 Posted 24/01/2013 at 18:26:53
Daivd Barks — you are oh so wrong. Take a look at the last 10 years and who the finalists have been: Man Utd 4, Liverpool 4, Chelsea 3, Arsenal 3... Spurs are in there; there's no Everton though.

I wouldn't mind going down to Wembley in March to take on Swansea or Bradford. It's a trophy we have never won, so what are you wittering on about? All the big guns enter and one of them usually win it. The old Sky 4 dominate it?

Paul Andrews
294 Posted 24/01/2013 at 18:37:26
David... Barks.
Paul Ferry
306 Posted 24/01/2013 at 18:55:08
Complete twaddle, David Barks. This is plausibly the most dumb asshole thing ever stated on these boards (and that deserves a big trophy): "Nobody cares about the League Cup, nobody."

I'm still laughing. 'Nobody'?? Who the fuck are you to write that shite? Try for once to put your little silly spat with Barry to one side, if you are able. A pathetic swipe. I care and I am someone, therefore you are completely wrong. I would love Everton to win the League Cup.

Answer this question Mr Barks: "Would you have liked Everton to win the League Cup this year?" Please answer it.

David Barks
307 Posted 24/01/2013 at 18:54:29
Andy Crooks,

Go ahead and call me a Moyes boy, too bad I think he should leave and we need somebody else. Too bad I think Neville should not be playing the midfield and Naismith has no place on the pitch, both things driving me nuts about Moyes. But yeah, that's me worshipping Moyes. You act like it's Moyes people only who think the Carling, err, Capital One cup is a joke, it's not. Nobody takes it seriously except smaller clubs. Yeah they beat Arsenal, an Arsenal team that just couldn't be assed. That competition didn't mean anything to them, just like it meant nothing to Chelsea yesterday.

The big clubs have superior squads and tons of depth, so they often get deep or to the final by default. They're just better and the younger players use it to try to gain playing time. Usually if they make it to the Semi's they take it more seriously, and if they reach the final they go for it. But yesterday Chelsea just didn't look like they cared. And that Aston Villa side, they'll be relegated this season.

The lower league sides play out of their skins because it could be the only time in their life they get to share a field with the premier league sides. And once in a blue moon some team goes on a run.

Barry Rathbone
308 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:08:11
Always get this half arsed drivel when St Moyes is exposed if the facts can't be argued go on a tangential rant in this case the trophy isn't worth winning.

David Barks the problem is you are so immersed in excuse making you have lost the plot, competitive football is about winning and trophies are the gauge.

The marvellousness of 4th is the potential cash bonanza which improves your chances of???

Bingo! winning trophies... ask Arsenal fans they've had 4th or better since Adam was a lad but they're not happy why? Because they've won fuck all - not difficult is it?

The fact you CAN win trophies without money is killing you and the similar "wood for the trees" crew lashing out just because Moyes fucked it up once again - you really need a rethink.

David Barks
313 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:11:12

Shut the fuck up. I'm not a Moyes fan, I've had it with him. I'm not making excuses for him, he can do that himself. I'm pointing out the fact that can be proven by poor attendances and lack of interest in the League Cup. Even the FA Cup, a much bigger competition, continues to see less attendance, less TV viewing, less fan interest. The top teams rotate their squads and do not care at all if they are knocked out in the early rounds of the League Cup. That's a fact, simple as that.

Any player worth a damn strives to play in what competition? The League Cup? The FA Cup? No, they all demand to play in the Champions League because it is the biggest stage in football, the one all the players and fans care about. You think winning something like the Carling Cup is the barometer of success because it comes with a shiny piece of metal at the end. But Villa could have reached that final and could have won it. But if they won the League Cup and were relegated that same season, while we finish 4th and get to compete in the Champions League next season while they rot in Championship, who would have had the more successful season? If you say Villa you're a damn fool and the only one in the "wood for the trees" crew being blinded by the shine of a worthless piece of metal.

Patrick Murphy
314 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:15:17
I watched that game between Bradford and Arsenal and let me tell you Arsenal were fully committed to the cause, Jack Wiltshire in particular. Arsenal were behind before they got back on level terms, ultimately losing on pens after Extra-Time. I'll probably give you Chelsea as they did seem disinterested but that's probably more down to the tactical genius of Rafa Benitez.
Barry Rathbone
315 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:20:33
Brent Stephens
316 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:17:57
Barry, didn't you spot that I said "Aren't the clubs winning trophies normally stacked with cash?"? - with the word "normally inserted. I didn't say "never".
Barry Rathbone
322 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:31:56
Brent in my answer to you I was answering why the other lad was making a fool of himself.

I would never suggest a man of your calibre and dancing ability would fall into the same trap.

Brent Stephens
324 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:37:21
Thanks, Barry. You're such a smoothy! I'll take that as a compliment. But you ain't seen me dance! Crap doesn't describe it!
Barry Rathbone
327 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:39:49
Brent your swerve around the word "never" was effortless (only kidding mate)
Paul Andrews
330 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:50:30
David, if it was Everton who had got to the final, we could sell our allocation of tickets twice.
Brent Stephens
331 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:51:43
Barry, what do you mean "only kidding"? Could my swerve around the word "never" have been as clumsy as my dancing then?!
Dean Adams
332 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:51:03
Barry, Birmingham won that little cup and got relegated. Now I would not want to swop places with them. Was winning that cup a blessing or a blight. How long will the fans remember that cup win whilst seeing all their best players leave?

Sometimes you remind me why we used to have such colourful debates!!!

Bobby Mallon
333 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:39:55
I do think that protests should resume if we don't buy anyone.
Roman Sidey
334 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:35:09
That shiver that went down Tony's back also went down mine, and was accompanied by a memory I had managed to block out for a month or so. My first reaction when I read this title was relief as I thought it meant Neville would go straight to RB and out of CM - lesser of two evils, or is Neville actually not awful as a RB?

Then Dan had to go and remind us all that Moyes will play almost anyone anywhere else to accommodate the Neviller in CM. I by no stretch think that a back four of Baines, Distin, Heitinga and Jagielka is the end of the world, but many more games with Neville in CM and I may start supporting TFC.

David, I agree with you that the LC is the less of the trophies available to us, but, the flip side is, with a squad that is probably going to be safe from relegation, winning the LC in February would give us automatic European qualification, and a couple of months of fixtures in the EPL to really just throw everything at the opposition, knowing that possible lost revenue on a couple of ladder positions should the plan fail, would be made up with European fixtures the next season.

Dean Adams
344 Posted 24/01/2013 at 20:24:39
Roman Sidey - that idea of winning the cup in Feb is OK if it works that way, but you cannot guarantee it. The thought of being safe and giving the fringe players a go 2 or 3 at a time to get up to speed would be highly interesting though. THe whole squad could get game time without seriously weakening the team (see Leeds game) and help us to improve overall.
Si Cooper
354 Posted 24/01/2013 at 19:57:34
David Barks - I kinda get your drift, but it doesn't all join up in the end.

If our small squad means we couldn't take the extra burden of what, 5 or 6 extra games, then it doesn't really bode well for keeping in touch with the top 4 does it? Finishing in any European qualification position will be tough so what is gained by ditching the LC (which qualifies for Europe doesn't it?)? How would we compete in Europe anyway with a small squad, or do you seriously expect a big influx of top quality players based on potential revenue?

I think you misinterpret how some clubs treat the competition as well. It may lack the cachet of the other domestic competitions but the big clubs are still happy to win it. They use it as a way of blooding their youngsters and giving squad members a run out simply because the cost of failure isn't so punishing for them as missing out on CL qualification. It is about calculated gambles not throwing chances away. We aren't at that level and I really don't think the fans, players, coaching staff and board members are as flippant about missing out on the trophy as you think. It hurts us more that our gamble against Leeds failed than it does the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs (who are most peoples favourites for 3rd, 4th and 5th).

If Europe is the only prize worth having then we may as well let Bolton win on Saturday, but I bet all the clubs currently around us in the league will be going all out to win the FA Cup.

Barry Rathbone
363 Posted 24/01/2013 at 20:53:09
Brent, it is my belief you could never be clumsy at anything.

Dean, I think the thing with Birmingham, Boro and Portsmouth all of whom won a cup then imploded is they are historically lower division clubs.

The act of winning a cup in the first place is extraordinary a sort of "what the fuck do we do now!" moment, whereas with us it would be "right, where's that Champions league shit?"

Must be careful about false conclusions a trophy doesn't mean relegation otherwise City, Utd, Chelsea etc would be down.

Roman Sidey
364 Posted 24/01/2013 at 21:06:20
100% with you on that Dean.
Roman Sidey
366 Posted 24/01/2013 at 21:08:14
"The act of winning a cup in the first place is extraordinary a sort of "what the fuck do we do now!" moment, whereas with us it would be "right, where's that Champions league shit?""

Absolute beauty.

Si Cooper
369 Posted 24/01/2013 at 20:53:47
ian (#336) - aren't those earnings based on attendances? Surely we would make more if we had been hosting those games against whoever Bradford played.

The difference between places on the league ladder is about £500k and we are told that it is important financially for the club to finish as high as possible each year (otherwise the difference between 7th and 10th becomes meaningless).

A couple of million extra in the coffers right now may be enough to secure a loan deal for a useful player, and surely the final will bring somewhere near the same again. Unlike you, I would categorise Joe Cole as a previously very good player and if he rediscovers his form I think he would be a useful player for a club like us.

If you require the revenue from a Champions League campaign to keep you going then anything else drops right down in importance. Taking things less seriously is not the same as not taking things seriously at all. We currently reside with the masses for whom it remains a big deal, if we are honest about it.

One point on Coleman's injury. It looked to me like he planted his knee in the turf coming down and has done some damage hyper-extending between upper thigh and pelvis. Hopefully it is a pull not a tear and won't keep him out for long.

Jay Harris
426 Posted 24/01/2013 at 23:40:33
Aren't we getting off topic a little bit here.

The original post was about Coleman's injury.

I am with Marshy in WTF happened to Ofoe? — or at least the money we "apparently" had for him???

We are desperately crying out for a CM who can win the ball in the absence of Gibson.

Reminds me of the Fernades affair when we had £12million ring-fenced to sign him and never saw him or the money again!!

Brian Waring
428 Posted 25/01/2013 at 00:01:16
Wasn't the deal for Ofoe to get him in on loan with a view to buying at the end? Maybe we have tried to get the same deal again, but have been told it's cash up front.

Paul Andrews
452 Posted 25/01/2013 at 07:40:15
David, stating the obvious. The team would have to care to reach the semis.

Forget the mentality of "I will sacrifice the League Cup for 4th" — It ain't gonna happen.

Sam Hoare
477 Posted 25/01/2013 at 10:09:50
On the Coleman front, hope he is back soon. We will look a hell of a lot more potent with Mirallas and Coleman on one wing and Baines and Pienaar on the other.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
569 Posted 25/01/2013 at 15:46:25
Update: Moyes has now confirmed that Coleman is injured and will not play against Bolton tomorrow.
Steavey Buckley
591 Posted 25/01/2013 at 17:25:56
At least with Coleman out, Pip won't be in midfield. So there is a silver lining after all. Unless, Jags is shifted across and Heitinga is brought into Jags position. And it's Osman and Pip in midfield and Southampton all over again.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
601 Posted 25/01/2013 at 18:13:10
Jay (#426) is right: I've moved a bunch of these off-topic comments (except the Barks "nobody cares" nonsense) across to the "Moyes... trophy" story we just put up.

The topic of this thread is Coleman being out injured.

Martin Handley
615 Posted 25/01/2013 at 19:00:04
I think the most sensible option would be Neville to RB and Hitzlsperger into the middle. I would leave Mirallas on the bench till the 2nd half. My possible starting line up would be:-

Baines, Distin, Jagielka, Neville
Oviedo, Hitzlsperger, Fellaini, Pienaar
Anichebe, Vellios.
Subs:- Mucha, Duffy, Heitinga, Osman, Gueye, Jelavic, Mirallas.

The reason for Jelavic and Ossie being on the bench is purely because both have looked jaded lately and Jelavic is obviously suffering and I think that staring XI should be good enough to see Bolton off.

Phil Sammon
633 Posted 25/01/2013 at 20:40:22
Jagielka to Neville to chip down the line to nobody. Neville to Jagielka to fire a 60-yard ball at Jelavić's head. And repeat for 90 minutes.
Tom Dodds
678 Posted 26/01/2013 at 06:52:32
Re Vadis:

If we want him, we have to buy him now. Which is why we (if true) made a play for M'Vila, seeing if we actually had any cash to spend he was probably the better option amongst others(?).

The last throw of the transfer dice will probably be this Chesterfield kid...Watch this space (12pm, 31 January).... Sigh.

Tony J Williams
703 Posted 26/01/2013 at 09:17:32
There goes that shiver again Phil....

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