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Moyes realigns hopes for season run-in

by | 22/04/2013

Manager targets fifth place finish

Though Everton's Champions League hopes were effectively dashed by their weak performance at the Stadium of Light yesterday coupled with results for their rivals not going the Blues' way, David Moyes maintains that his side can still grab fifth place.

“We won't get top four," Moyes conceded. "Every game was a must-win and I can't see that happening.

“We are going to try to get Europe. I said the minute we lose a game everyone will say we can't reach the Champions League and that is probably right.

“I am sure the points total we could still get would probably get us there but, with the teams we are trying to overtake, that becomes really difficult.

“But it is a good effort we are still talking about it in mid April.”

Everton lost ground in the chase for the top four with their 1-0 defeat to Sunderland, while Chelsea picked up a point at Anfield and both Tottenham and Arsenal moved further ahead with wins against Manchester City and Fulham respectively.  

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Richard Harris
904 Posted 22/04/2013 at 01:21:05
Fifth place will still probably need a win at Anfield and/or Stamford Bridge – can you really do that Davey? Hopefully past form won't have any bearing on this.....
Peter Thistle
908 Posted 22/04/2013 at 02:25:46
Dream on Moyes, it's done for this season. Had our chance but let it slip away. C'est la vie.
Bobby Mallon
915 Posted 22/04/2013 at 05:26:22
Just shut up, Moyes, you bottled it and I personally think you don't want Champions League football.
Christopher Kelly
916 Posted 22/04/2013 at 05:29:48
Paul Andrews
923 Posted 22/04/2013 at 06:27:43
"I am sure the points total we could still get would get us there but, with the teams we are trying to overtake, that becomes difficult."

Could somebody translate that for me.

Christopher Timmins
924 Posted 22/04/2013 at 06:42:16
It's over, hopefully we will finish with a points total in excess of 61 which will be up on previous years but about 9 shy of Champions League Football. With Spurs beating Man City yesterday even a fifth place finish is out of reach this year as it could take as many as 70 points to clinch that spot.

The League table does not lie and all the teams above us have bigger squads.

Phil Sammon
926 Posted 22/04/2013 at 07:16:45
I was disappointed with Moyes' comments about the Jelavić penalty appeal. It was as soft as they come, the lad barely touched him and get Jela goes sprawling. I like the lad, but while we're all (rightly) chastising Suarez, we should remember we have a diver at the club.

Moyes should have said that it was as soft as the one Arsenal got last week, rather than coming across as some pathetic Wenger-type.

And somebody have a word with Jela behind closed doors please.

Tony Farrell
930 Posted 22/04/2013 at 07:53:53
Once again, we bottled it. Okay Spurs and Arsenal both won and Chelsea got a point after a biting finish (sorry!) but at 3 o'clock at the Stadium of Light, we were still in with a shout. Everton didn't know the outcome of what was going on elsewhere, so why do they put in a performance like that?

I thought we had our shit game against Wigan... but no, we were a shambles. Sunderland were there for the taking. Their down there because they're shit. So what does that make us?

Di Canio has made a difference in confidence: same players... so, Mr Moyes, take note. So it's down to beating the Shite stay above them. 5th is a dream... same old, same old, eh Blues?

Paul Mackie
931 Posted 22/04/2013 at 08:10:37
Our chances of 4th were directly proportional to the number of first team players we brought in during the January window. Naff all.

Thanks Bill and the board. Another fucking season over by April.

Sam Hoare
935 Posted 22/04/2013 at 08:46:05
I agree Paul. The team has just looked tired and stale over the last few months. Compare that with a year ago after bringing in new players in Jan which set us on a roll. If we had managed to bring in Fer and Negredo then I think we would be bang in contention. Would have been a gamble perhaps give our finances but if we had not made it we could probably have sold then on for no or little loss. To bring noone in at all in January bar a k
Sam Hoare
936 Posted 22/04/2013 at 08:46:05
I agree Paul. The team has just looked tired and stale over the last few months. Compare that with a year ago after bringing in new players in Jan which set us on a roll. If we had managed to bring in Fer and Negredo then I think we would be bang in contention. Would have been a gamble perhaps give our finances but if we had not made it we could probably have sold then on for no or little loss. To bring noone in at all in January bar a kid right back was the real death knell of our champions league aspirations. I'm not sure we will be so close in years to come.
Kunal Desai
938 Posted 22/04/2013 at 08:54:48
6th is now nailed for us after yesterdays results. I can see us getting minimum 4 more points from the remaining games which will put on us on 60 points. the shite won't get that (hopefully soon to be sewer-rat less). Arsenal/Chelsea and Spurs will get probably 2 more wins from their fixtures. I just wouldn't want us to be in the Europa league, such is the drain on resources, we simply have got a squad unless we're likely to add 10 players in the summer. Highly unlikely.
Phil Walling
942 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:16:17
Moyes is beginning to sound like Doddy.He re-alighns his hopes after every failure to win.
Always downwards!
Nick Oakley
943 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:14:37
So very frustrating yesterday to see the Spurs manager make timely and adept substitutions, tweak the system which re-invigorated them and effectively won them the game.

Rewind 24 hours to our game on Wearside and you see the exact opposite from our manager. Very, very frustrating.

Dennis Stevens
945 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:19:37
I hope you're correct, Kunal. I think it more likely now that our 6th place will be under pressure from below than it is that we will pressure those above us for 5th place. A win at the tinmine [at last!] to clinch 6th would at least round off the season with a little bit of a flourish, I suppose.
Kunal Desai
947 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:27:48
The shite still have to go away to Barcodes and fulham. They will be lucky to get 4 points from those.
Brin Williams
948 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:39:30
Time for Moyes to bite the bullet??
Bjørn-Ivar Pedersen
953 Posted 22/04/2013 at 09:45:04
Christopher Timmins #924
"The League table does not lie and all the teams above us have bigger squads. "

And all the team below us have bigger squads.....

I thought 5th was possible before Sundeland game, but now I am not so sure, I just hope and pray we stay above RS.

Pat Waine
960 Posted 22/04/2013 at 10:35:25
The dithering by David Moyes in January lost us any hope of Europe. We drew too many games in the early part of the season; when we needed a manager to take a chance and try to change games, Moyes dithered.

He will be off in the summer and is leaving it late which will make it hard to get a replacement. Moyes may ruin next season's team building also. When he didn't commit, we should have got rid. Instead, we will wait for him to make his mind up.

Mark Dunford
963 Posted 22/04/2013 at 10:48:33
Everyone knows sixth is most likely finishing spot and has been for some time. A slight possibility that we'll finish fifth if the teams above us take points from eachother and lose to the strugglers. Every result went the wrong way for us at the weekend. Only good news was that dark side are likely to be damaged by Suarez suspension during the run in, and will need to tread very carefully to ensure he maintains market value in light of bizarre behavior before he mercifully departs these shores to shame another league. Their goal difference is a concern of sorts and worth a point to them
Dean Barton
965 Posted 22/04/2013 at 10:54:24
Moyes said he was waiting to see how we do before announcing whether he wants to stay or not..... I assume that meant top 4 because even Europa League won't get him the extra resources he craves.

My question now is why wait? We know we will finish 5th or 6th now which makes no difference either way.

Moyes needs to state his intentions now....but he won't.......Know why? I think he knows he's going now and is delaying it so he doesn't have to suffer the backlash from the fans. If that is the case then he is less of a man than I thought he was!

On the flip side, if he is staying, say so now!!!! Just put us out of misery....Please!!!

Steavey Buckley
972 Posted 22/04/2013 at 11:37:50
Unless Everton want to risk players not being fit for league matches and with 0 cash incentive, the Europa league has the same effect as the EU does on UKIP.
Christopher Timmins
977 Posted 22/04/2013 at 12:07:16
Dean, you make a good point, given that the finishing positon is now almost certain to be 6th Moyes not make the call now. Disagree about a fans backlash though, that will be reserved for Bill and the other board members! January 2013 was their moment of truth and they failed!
Tony J Williams
984 Posted 22/04/2013 at 12:16:52
Christopher, I just don't get this need from some fans to be told whether he is staying or not. It makes absolutely no difference to me if he goes now, the end of the season or not at all.

What would be different if he does one now or in 4 games time? Why leave with 4 games to go in a season? See the season out and then leave....or stay, whatever!

Mark Dunford
986 Posted 22/04/2013 at 12:25:25
Also - worth saying that this is really a very poor league and a dull competition. We're coming to what should be the crunch time and the only issues to be decided are two out of three for Champions League and who goes down. Last few seasons have been the same and no doubt next year will be too. A bigger question that flows from the general thread and I know other Euro leagues are much the same.
Denis Richardson
990 Posted 22/04/2013 at 12:19:51
I think DM has now offically lost the plot.

We have NO chance of getting 5th! We're 5 points behind spurs and 6 behind Chelsea, we have 4 games left and they both have 5 left. Even IF they both lose their game in hand, we would need a minimum of 2 wins from our last four games and that is reliant on Spurs loosing ALL their remaining games!

Spurs would realisticaly have to pick up only 3 points from their last 5 games AND we would have to win at least 3 of our last 4 games to have any chance at all. Given they have home games against a safe southhampton and a safe sunderland to come, amoungst others, I think there's more chance of BK selling the club to North Korea than us overtaking them.

The basic fact is that one point from two games against Arsenal and Sunderland, when each game had a shed load riding on it, is/was simply NOT ENOUGH.

Just admit the season is over but we will 'take each game seriously untill the end' and finally say that you are LEAVING! We can give you a good send off at the home game against West Ham.

This whole 'season is not over' crap is either denial or probably a rues to buy more time to see if he can get a better offer before admitting that he cant and signing yet another 5 year contract.

Patrick Murphy
991 Posted 22/04/2013 at 12:33:12
Mark, I couldn't agree with you more, if you look at last season's table there is very little difference between the standings then and now. It has been a pretty dire season with few memorable highlights, I think perhaps the Semi-Final between Chelsea and Man City which stood out as a really top game, but very few matches have been better than average.

The quality of the performances overall is falling season on season, I suppose that's what happens when clubs are allowed to hoard players, It's a bit like horse racing now where the richest stables produce the winning horses and jockeys with everyone else making up the numbers.

Chris Gould
994 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:06:57

'We're coming to what should be the crunch time and the only issues to be decided are two out of three for Champions League and who goes down. Last few seasons have been the same and no doubt next year will be too.'

Mark, seriously? Fair enough suggesting that this season's finale has been dull, but to say the last few seasons means that you must have been on a different planet during last season's incredible climax.

Ross Edwards
997 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:21:25
We won't even finish 6th. No doubt the RS will finish above us and claim the last remaining Europa League place.

No matter what the Doddites say, this has been a season of underachievement, Too many draws have cost us due to Davey's negativity, Lost in the League Cup to Leeds, Lost 0-3 to Wigan in the FA.

I hope we don't get Europe because looking at Saturday's performance, it would be embarrassing. But, the MOB can look on the bright side, as No Europe, No Moyesy.

Dean Barton
998 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:06:06
Tony 984. I think it is important. BK stated Earlier this season that Moyes has earned the right to be left alone to make his own mind up. They respect him enough to give him that opportunity. That is great as when you look at the likes of Southampton and Reading and what they do to managers there is no respect whatsoever and I am glad that for once our board is showing a bit of class that is sadly missing from today's game.

My gripe however is with the respect part, it is supposed to work both ways isn't it? Where is Moyes' respect for the fans, his players and the club? I feel he is treating everybody with utter contempt and for me that is just not on!!

If he wants to go then fine, if he wants to brush off the fans and the club then fine, what isn't fine is what it must be doing to the players. When he stated in January that he would make a decision at the end of the season our form dipped dramatically and we have been scrapping for points since. When Lescott left he said that it took the players a lot of time to get over it and it affected their performances, but when asked if the uncertainty over his future would affect the players he said RUBBISH...... Utter contempt that I just cannot forgive.

Since all this uncertainty Fellaini, Baines, Osman and Pienaar have been shadows of what they were before. Phil Neville once stated all the players love Moyes and remember nowadays the players don't play for the shirt...they play for their manager. How many times have we seen it at other clubs where the players don't play for the manager.....Look at Sunderland and AVB at Chelsea.

That is why he has to state his intentions...........even if just to show some integrity!!!!!

Jason Heng
999 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:29:21
We did surpass the 40 point mark pretty early this season at least.
Kevin Hudson
002 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:35:48
Assuming we pick up some points in the remaining four games, we are on for a higher points total than last year.

We finished last season on 56 points; we reached the same number after 33 games this term. Definite improvement.

Tony Marsh
004 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:32:49
Why would we want 5th place and Europa League footy next season with a paceless ageing squad and probably a new manager to bed in? We need the Europa League like a hole in the head yet some of our fans think it would be great because you can go on the piss abroad?

Let's stay 6th, get shut of Desperate Dave and hopefully we get an upbeat attack-minded football manager who thinks winning is important. Look at AVB's subs yesterday and think about what he did and what Moyes would've done. AVB went for the win even though 1-0 down... Moyes would've stayed as you were and tried to nick a draw from a corner.

I can't listen to Moyes and his bleating anymore. Who the fuck is Moyes anyway? Just some guy hanging around like a bad smell until another Divy Chairman takes him on board. Please Do one, Davey – we don't care what you think. It's all too late now; when you had the chances this season, you blew it in what is a very average Premier League.

In the past 12 months, I have seen the two most pathetic disgusting performances by any Everton side in my life time – both down to David Moyes: 2012 FA Cup Semi-Final and 2013 FA Cup Quarter-Final...

Thanks for the memories... Loser.

Kevin Tully
006 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:58:12
The question is, if Moyes is leaving, does he say so right after the final game of the season, or will want even more time over the summer to mull things over?

We are the ONLY Premier League club who don't have the final say on who they employ as manager - fucking ridiculous state of affairs.

Denis Richardson
007 Posted 22/04/2013 at 13:55:00
Kevin – granted the points will be more and we will likely be 1 place higher than last year but with the same result – no trophy and no European qualification.

Given the Leeds and Wigan results, it's clutching at straws a bit for me to say we had a 'successful' season. It all ended on a bit of a damper and we still have no clue as to what the manager situation will be.

For those who say it's not important – IT IS. If you're trying to sign players on a 'free' as their contracts end in June, no player will be interested if they don't even know who the manager will be next season. Other clubs have already started their 2013-14 season plans and which players they'll try to sign. Doing this is not really possible if the manager doesn't know whether he's staying or going yet...

Tony Christian
008 Posted 22/04/2013 at 14:14:51
The same fella was telling us it was shit or bust a few weeks ago promising all out attacking football until end of season. Then reverts to type by playing over cautious, keep-it-tight shite against a very nervous Sunderland.
Thomas Windsor
013 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:00:38
The moment the whistle goes on our last game of the season, go and get Martin Jol and let's see some good football.
Tony J Williams
014 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:03:03
"When he stated in January that he would make a decision at the end of the season our form dipped dramatically and we have been scrapping for points since." - Results since Jan 1st - Played 19, won 9, drew 6 lost 4. - League games played 14, won 6, drew 5 lost 3, not exactly setting the world alight but certainly not scraping for points
Tony J Williams
017 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:13:51
"Look at AVB's subs yesterday and think about what he did and what Moyes would've done" - Yes lets look at AVB's sub, England striker Jermaine Defoe, Holtby and Huddlestone. All three would walk into our first XI.

I'm all for having a go at Moyes's subs, but when you can turn to those mentioned above instead of Berkley, Oviedo, Neville and Naisminth it's clear to see why they change games and ours just run around a bit.

Sam Hoare
018 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:40:43
One loss and all the spoilt brats are out in force.

Moyes out! We should win every game! Why don't we play like Barcelona?! How dare he not bring on Holtby! Boo hoo...i'm just very tired now and need some warm milk....

Its been an average Moyes season. Which means slightly over achieving in the league and one or two gutting cup results to inferior opposition. At times we have played some great football and looked mustard, at times our squad has been stretched and tired and we have looked mayonnaise. Moyes had made mistakes of course but the most criminal mistake was made by the unambitious board in January who managed to not bring in a single senior player.

I hope Moyes leaves this Summer mainly so we can argue about a new manager. Pretty sure that the odds would be much better on us falling down the table rather than moving up it but perhaps all the MOB won't mind that so long as we 'give it a go', no doubt they will still be blaming Moyes for something.

Dean Barton
023 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:56:02
Tony 14. When I say Scrapping for points I mean grinding out results. You cannot honestly say that since the end of January our form has been good or consistent! I put that down to what he has said and done. Look at our form during February right after he said it. I can understand the tiredness argument too, but not in February!
Gary Reeves
024 Posted 22/04/2013 at 15:50:58
Tony J Williams 017 On the subject of substitutions Tony,did you notice what Moyes did at The Emirates,second-half? He brought on Jelavic but pushed him right up-front (where the ball wasn't getting to) and asked Victor to play "in-the hole" (where he couldn't run). This is a fundamental in Moyes about offering attacking threats,and his lack of vision. Surely,surely,surely that combination had to be the other way around in that sitution. . I get the feeling that Moyes never crossed the halfway line,during his playing careeer.
Phil Bellis
027 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:03:24
Tony M

Some of the all-time lows in Everton's history have occurred during the Peters and Lee double act of Kenwright/Moyes

For shameful, though, I'll see your cup debacles and raise you Mar 13, 2012

Chris Fisher
029 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:08:25
At the beginning of the Arsenal game on Tuesday, we had a real chance for Champions League Football. At the end of the Sunderland game on Saturday, we had lost any hope we had of any kind of European football at Goodison next season.

Jagielka talked before the Arsenal game about proving Everton could handle the big games: the Sunderland game was a massive game for us, win and we were up to fifth, putting real pressure on Spurs and Chelsea... we bottled it as usual!

Even if we win every game left this season, which we all know won't happen, we would still need Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal to turn in to Everton-style bottlers and it just won't happen! Just look at the difference: Arsenal went away to Fulham, played absolutely shit and deserved nothing from the game but still got the 3 points; Spurs were 0-1 down against Man City and all of a sudden they are 3-1 up! We go away to Sunderland where we are unbeaten under Moyes and.... we lose!!

I don't particularly want Moyes out because I just can't think of anyone else who could do much better but I am no longer bothered if he does go because I think, either with him or without him, until we get more money, we will always finish between 6th and 8th. All we have to play for now is to stay above Liverpool and that is very sad considering how god awful they have been this season.

In a season that promised so much, we have once again got so little.

Denis Richardson
031 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:14:43
Sam 018 - you say 'but perhaps all the MOB won't mind that so long as we 'give it a go'' - you're goddamn right! That's all most of us have ever wanted. Make winning more important than not losing. I.e. the kind of mentalitly shown in the Arsenal game on Tues, which we often fail to show against 'lesser' sides. And not keep playing players when they are totally off form or well past their sell by dates. Not asking for too much surely?

We're not going to win the league anytime soon and with or wihtout Moyes we're not going to qualify for the CL as long as the clowns are in charge. However, without Moyes we have a hell of a lot better chance of actually winning a cup and going on successful cup runs as well as providing some enterternment and excitment - which at the end of the day is the whole point, isn't it?

Tom Bowers
032 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:20:33
The last 4 games mean nothing except maybe a win over RS. The erratic form of the Blues does not give rise for any confidence in winning all these games even allowing for the mathematical chance of finishing higher. Whenever they have faced pressure during the tenure of Moyes they have usually wilted. Everton have weaknesses starting with Moyes who cannot seem to motivate the whole team as a unit and the Sunderland game was a typical example.

Winning the first game against Man Utd was probably a sign that we had something a little more special this season but it quickly dissipated after the injuries to Gibson and Mirallas, followed by the reluctance of Moyes to rotate his starting eleven, even when some players were underachieving. He just didn't have a Plan B.

The writing was clearly on the wall after many mediocre performances particularly against poorer clubs like QPR and Reading. If we now inexplicably fail to finish above RS then I am sure most of us would like to see Moyes leave.

Kevin Tully
034 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:26:48
If we do get a new manager, most of the MUG's will be willing us to lose, to prove how brilliant the Moyesiah really was.

Brian Harrison
036 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:22:38
Funny never see any of the people who want Moyes gone put forward any credible alternatives. Well that's not quite correct because we have had some offer alternatives, not so long ago some were suggesting Ian Holloway because he plays an attacking game. Holloway took over from Warnock at Palace with promotion virtually assured but with his open and attacking style Palace are struggling to make the play offs. Then some have suggested Martinez another manager who likes to play open and attacking football and he still mangers to keep Wigan in the bottom 3.

So before you are in a hurry to get rid of Moyes would be interesting to hear the alternatives. And when putting forward suggestions make them realistic given our tiny budjet with which the manager has to work.

Brendan McLaughlin
038 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:38:06
Kevin #034
Does that mean the MOB are currently willing us to lose?
Brian Hill
039 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:22:34
Peters and Lee Phil? Welcome Home. To my eternal shame I remember it as well as you. Did they ever have another hit? Were they worse than Queen?

Kevin Tully
040 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:42:24
I imagine some are Brendan, if they are desperate to see him leave.
Sam Hoare
041 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:41:14
Denis 031, sounds good to me! I think Moyes has done some good work in his time with us but would not say no to some more attacking football and something fresh. Though I wonder how long that will last when we get beat at home 5-3 by Southampton....
Dean Barton
042 Posted 22/04/2013 at 16:44:07
I'm sitting on the fence to be honest re whether he stays or not. What I do want is it to be over and done way or the other
Tony J Williams
047 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:18:14
Not arsed if he stays or goes, the fact that we can't buy good players means we will never really compete.

If he goes I will give my support to the new fella, the King is dead, Long live the King and all that bollocks.

Phil Bellis
048 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:26:52
Brian Harrison 036

Think back to when we got rid of old `Disappointed'

If you'd have posed this question then, I wonder if many of us, including your good selve, would have come up with David Moyes as a "credible..realistic alternative"

Mr Hill, fellow pop-picker

One-hit wonders but Lenny had a good voice
It still makes me smile that, whenever that song comes on Karaoke or whatever in a pub, you get people putting one hand on another's shoulder and ambling across the room

The image of those two shuffling on stage is as vivid, for me, as when Nena first raised her arms above her head in 99 Red Balloons

Tony Waring
049 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:35:39
I don't often agree with Marshy but I honestly feel that the Europa League is hardly worth the bother. Seemingly the financial rewards are not that great and it means a lot more games for an ageing and threadbare squad. As a matter of interest has anyone done the stats on squad numbers in the rest of the Premier League ? It would be interesting to know how far behind we are !
Richard Dodd
051 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:32:38
Ross: The truth is that we have drawn too many matches because we have failed to find a consistent goalscorer.Jelavic has been a big let-down to us all-including David Moyes-and nobody else has stepped up to the plate.The manager must be very disappointed with his other signing from Rangers,Naismith and Big Vic only looks the part in short phases.Mirallas is apparently a wide player rather than central striker and is hardly prolific.
Perhaps disappointment with these players will persuade Davey his future is elsewhere.But I hope not.
Phil Bellis
054 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:54:07
He was at Olympiacos, 34 from 67

Wonder what position he played there

As for Jelavic, could Fellaini up front in a quasi-Cahill role have been a contributory factor?

Mike Green
055 Posted 22/04/2013 at 17:59:15
Richard #051 - you're absolutely right, we haven't been able to convert draws to wins because of the lack of goals but the only plate Anichebe is likely to step up to with any real threat is the dinner plate, and the likes of Vellios don't get a look in.
Tony Marsh
056 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:11:56
Phil Bellis — you are correct 13 March 2012 was indeed shameful but I re-raise you with the 2012 FA Cup Semi-Final as it was at Wembley in front of the world against what was supposed to be worst ever Red Shite side. Add to that the fact we have never beaten the RS at Wembley and this was our big chance. After going a goal up, we did what we always do under Moyes and defended... Royal Flush beats your four Aces mate.
Dean Barton
057 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:19:05
Phil Bellis 54. He played there 2nd half of last season too, he dropped Cahill
Dean Barton
061 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:22:49
Jelavic problem lies within either the tactics or lack of creativity. How can a player score 20 goals when he gets 1 good chance every 2 games. His movement at times this season has been good, the ball just doesn't come. When he has got chances he is maybe trying to hard knowing that he doesn't get many. Creatively we have not been good enough. Steven Pienaar is a joke, gives the ball away too much. Always either under hits or over hits a pass. His crossing at times is atrocious. He should have been dropped a long time ago. I don't care whether the replacement is crap, he needs to know that his performances just aren't good enough
Phil Bellis
062 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:32:37

Memory plays tricks but he was, last season, including the Cup run, picking up pieces in the box and pouncing on balls played to his feet, regularly - so what's changed? Seems not to be him, per se, but the way the team is set up
I agree fully about Pienaar; even his enforced lay-off doesn't seem to have helped, but convinced he'll be back
Most of the team look like they need a rest

Phil Walling
063 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:39:53
Bloody hell,Doddy,you are coming close to criticising your hero`s ability to sign the right players!
I am positive that virtually any other manager would have tried Mirallas as central striker-what was there to lose?-as well as giving chances in the side to Oviedo,Duffy and Vellios. And what about the kid from Barnsley? Never got a minute off the bench-his arse must be well sore!
No,your man would rather stick to his favourites although WTF he sees in Naismith,I will never know.
Time for change id NOW!
Eugene Ruane
069 Posted 22/04/2013 at 18:56:57
Can't believe there are people who wouldn't want Europa.

It's just a piss up abroad?


Actually it's a few piss-ups.

Maybe some INCREDIBLE never-to-be-forgotten piss-ups.

(sorry are Everton providing some of you with with hundreds of memorable joy-filled moments that I'm not privy to?)

I understand we've been horribly conditioned by the grim percentage presbyterian fayre on offer in the last 18 years or so, but don't forget this football thing IS supposed to be enjoyable.

I fully expect us to get nowhere near Europa but if we did, I for one would embrace it 100%

"Yeah but we'll be knackered and our squad is..."

Couldn't give a fuck, I want a few laughs

I'm 54 and times-a-wasting.

I'll take any excuse to get a few more Everton in Europe trips before a combination of Bensons, Greggs and Guinness finally does for me.

To (again) quote my late mother 'you're a long time dead'.

Sings: "And we love our......"

Brian Harrison
076 Posted 22/04/2013 at 20:07:45
Phil Bellis

The big difference between when Smith was manager and now under Moyes is that under Moyes we are a top 6 club under Walter we were fighting relegation and if he stayed we would have gone down. Actually before Walter got sacked I was telling friends that I wouldn't be disappointed if we got Moyes, when he did his badges his mentors on the course were Ferguson and Mourinho in the end Walter recommended him to BK. Obviously he had got positive feedback from Ferguson as well as the job he was doing at Preston.

Sean Patton
079 Posted 22/04/2013 at 20:07:37
There is only one match left in this season that counts we know it and Moyes knows it and if they perform as pitifully as last year then there will be hell to pay.
Gavin McGarvey
083 Posted 22/04/2013 at 19:11:55
With Jelavic, last season we seemed to get to the line and cut back in crosses. That doesn't seem to have happened this season. Also his confidence looks shot.
Patrick Murphy
086 Posted 22/04/2013 at 20:30:45
If you see the goals that Jelavic scored last season, he was afforded a huge amount of space in the penalty area, this season every defender is aware of him and mark him accordingly. As he doesn't seem to be blessed with natural football talent he is finding his role challenging to say the least. If Moyes stays and keeps Jelavic he is going to have to play two strikers, which he seems reluctant to do. In a different set-up I would expect Jelavic to score regularly, but perhaps that will have to be at another club. If DM had any sense he would also try and sell Anichebe and get some money for him while he can, because the lad is not PL standard and cannot play the lone striker role.

RVP has just scored a hat-trick, oh for somebody of his quality.

Steve Edwards
090 Posted 22/04/2013 at 20:28:08
Davey, you can keep your Europa League. Thanks but no thanks.
Neal King
095 Posted 22/04/2013 at 19:40:14
I echo everything you say Eugene. For me it's about supporting the team I love and following them round Europe on the piss, having a great time along the way, the joys and even the lows that come with supporting Everton.

I'm not interested in our limited funds and limited playing staff and how it's all not worth it financially......fuck that I'm a footy fan.

Tony Marsh
100 Posted 22/04/2013 at 21:51:06
Neal @ 095 If you're a footy fan and you have been on these Europa League away games before, you will know how shit they are and how little interest is shown by the fans, media and the players. There's nothing at stake to make them exciting.

I have been to a few of them and they were nothing like Villarreal away which had importance attached to the game. In the Europa it's like, "Who gives a shit? What time does the latest bar shut?" Yes, it's a laugh going abroad with the lads watching footy but it's a lot better in a proper tournament.

I remember being at the Nuremberg away game and although about 5k made the journey, there was very little atmosphere. Win lose or draw, we couldn't get knocked out; there was nothing on the line and it ended up a drinking excursion for the fans. How is that being a footy fan?

Sorry Boys — it's Champions League or nothing for me. That Europa League sucks the life out of the squad and for what? So fans can get pissed abroad... WOW! Big deal.... Go to fucking Benidorm for a few days.

Tom Bowers
103 Posted 22/04/2013 at 22:42:34
Well said, Tony Marsh! Everton need a shake up.

After 10 years of Moyes's excuses and whining — not to mention his absolute stubbornness to change his tactics and poor team selections — we need a fresh start and players who do not habitually underachieve.

Yes we have had some decent players and some astute signings but generally Moyes has brought in a lot of misfits from other clubs, played them week-in and week-out when they were clearly crap. The only exception is Osman who he should have left on loan at Derby which is about Osman's true level despite the sentimental England call-up.

Everton will continue to be average as long as Moyes is here. Wanting to finish fifth is a loser's mentality so typical of Moyes.

Colin Glassar
117 Posted 23/04/2013 at 00:11:15
We will finish 6th at best which won't get us euro football next season. Anyways, why are you concerned Moyes? Aren't you leaving or has bk offered you a bumper wage increase?
Bob Parrington
119 Posted 23/04/2013 at 01:04:08
Aren't we a fickle bunch? If we just think back only a few seasons, we were struggling to play anything but (g)hoofball and to stay out of the relegation zone.

We all want better, of course. Everton has shown it's ability to stay well up in the table again in spite of having no cash for players. Now, we must be ripe for a good buyer - you know who being "wiling" to sell!!??

Main aims left this season - Suarez sent back to Uruguayan zoo, where he clearly belongs and we beat RS at Anfield. Doubt we can get 5th even though it's mathematically possible at present.

Patrick Murphy
120 Posted 23/04/2013 at 01:21:46
How many seasons exactly Bob? Has the relegation zone been extended in the last few seasons?
I think 2005-06 was the last time we were seriously under threat from the big R as everyone keeps saying we are now considered to be a top six team. As for the hoofball I think we are still prone to a variation of it but it is still evident as witnessed at the Emirates last week on occasions.
It's still possible to get 4th but we would have to win all our games and the other 3 would have to draw or lose most if not all of their games, like you said 6th is probably the highest position we can achieve.
Neal King
130 Posted 23/04/2013 at 07:42:43
Yes tony I have and these are some of the good times supporting Everton. The way the English game had changed and become a money driven business is sad and this is a perfect example of how much we lose sight of the why we actually support a football team. Luckily for me this year I will be going to "fucking benidorm" for my stag do.
Damian Kelly
142 Posted 23/04/2013 at 08:39:50
Phil Bellis - spot on - Nena was a truly shocking moment - a vivid picture returned to my brain after remaining dormant for 30+ years - thanks for that
Phil Bellis
165 Posted 23/04/2013 at 10:58:13
Tony M... On reflection, take the pot!

There have been quite a few lows that would be decent hands in our poker game
Shrewsbury, Oldham, Reading, 7-0, 1-6.

That league derby, though, proved how little Moysey understood (or considered) the rank-and-file fans, especially those of us living locally.

Eugene Ruane
170 Posted 23/04/2013 at 11:38:56
Tony (100) - In recent years I made the trips to Lisbon, Amsterdam, Florence, Liege and Nuremberg and had a ball in each place despite some shitty results.

I spent four days in Florence and three days in an around Lisbon - all great trips/memories and the excuse to go there was provided by Everton's qualification in the Europa.

You can say 'go to Benidorm' but the fact is they don't have a team so there's no excuse to go.

Plus many wives, girlfriends or 'partners' won't stand for "I'm fucking off to Benidorm for three days just coz I fancy it", but strangely, many (with a little persuasion) WILL buy into "It's Everton, I HAVE to be there".

My advice (should the absolutely imfuckingpossible happen and we finish higher than sixth), book three days, have a day's drinking day of the match then the day after, jump on a train, get off after half an hour and explore a little (did this in Florence and Lisbon - fantastic).

I repeat, you're a long time dead and the alternative is sitting at home squeezing the boils on the back of your neck (or...whatever).

I agree 100% it's better in a proper tournament, but while the present shower of shit-bags are 'running' Everton, it will continue to be a case of beggars can't be choosers, take what you can.

Robbie Muldoon
183 Posted 23/04/2013 at 13:01:36
Another inspiring speech from Dithering Davey. Just do one will you, this club doesn't need a spineless twat propping up a rotting ownership. You will never win a thing in all your career so go now.
Drew Shortis
245 Posted 23/04/2013 at 17:26:32
I'm bitterly disappointed that we won't have any kind of European football next season. I know the Europa League is looked down upon and brings extra games that can effect league form, but I do love those European nights. Champions League would have been a massive achievement. Still, 6th place is still an achievement in itself and I will try and stay philosophical about things!
Anthony Cullen
288 Posted 23/04/2013 at 20:58:19
David Moyes - you talk shite.
kenwright you lie.
Gerry Morrison
348 Posted 24/04/2013 at 04:19:49
If Chelsea win the Europa League and come 5th in the league, will they enter the Europa League through their trophy win or their league position? Does anybody know the rule?

If they go in as Europa League winners, will that not cause the sixth place finishers in the league to qualify?

Brian Wilkinson
380 Posted 24/04/2013 at 10:35:51
Barkley had a decent game against Arsenal, absolutely disgraceful he gets dropped to the bench the following game. I bet his confidence is sky-high right now.

I can't stand a minute longer of players who are suspended or injured coming straight back in the team and players dropped, Pienaar cost us two games without his services when he was suspended; we didn't need rocket science to let Oviedeo have a go there... but no: we use the same players but just moved round the pitch a little.

Barkley should have started in the Sunderland game; regardless how he played coming on later, the lad earned another start for his performance against Arsenal. Pienaar Fellaini, Osman know, no matter what happens (barring suspension) they will always be in the starting eleven. And Naismith knows he will always get a run out off the bench every week.

It's not working, Moyes; stop wringing about tired players, rest them! Give the fringe players a chance but, for god's sake, stop leaving it til the last 3 mins to make your second sub! Learn from Spurs last week how to make tactical changes earlier in the match.

Anto Byrne
688 Posted 25/04/2013 at 08:58:38
Jelavic compensates for his lack of all-round ability with his one touch game. He is now expected to work a lot harder, running the channels, defending on the goal-line and being the link-up man up front. In a 4-4-2 set up he would feed off the big centre forward (Vellios) as in the home game to Spurs and the likes of Osman Pienaar and Mirallas would be providing the service.

Far too many time this season they have found themselves in goalscoring positions but have been very poor in terms of finishing, Maybe that was the tactic with Jelavic being closely marked it would create space for others. However Osman and Pienaar are not natural goalscorers.

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