Reid has a 'sneaky feeling'

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Peter Reid says he has a ‘sneaky feeling' that Everton will end their Anfield jinx in this weekend's Merseyside derby. Liverpool are unbeaten in their last five home matches — but Reid is confident his former club can claim the bragging rights on Sunday.

“Anfield is always a difficult place to go and get a result,” said the evertonfc.com columnist. “I've just got a sneaky feeling this year that it's Everton's time to go there and get a result.

“It's about time Everton won one — the law of averages says that we are due a derby victory and there would be no better place to achieve that than Anfield.

“I get asked quite often where it's better to win a derby, whether it's at Goodison or Anfield, and my answer is the same all the — it doesn't matter which ground.”

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James Morgan
1 Posted 02/05/2013 at 15:29:48
Don't do it to yourself, Reidy!

We've all had that 'sneaky feeling' and ended up bending over and handing them the Vaseline! Expect a trouncing, that way anything better than that is a bonus.

Ross Edwards
2 Posted 02/05/2013 at 16:15:25
What has Reid been taking recently? We all WANT to win but we don't think we WILL. We've had angst, misery, cheating, bad luck and pathetic rolling over for over 13 years and I can't see that changing.
I want us to win SO badly but it looks unlikely.
I want us to give the moaning, diving, cheating, "always the victim, it's never our fault", racist ,jammy sods a giant, massive hiding. 5-0 would be sufficient.
COYB!
Nick Entwistle
3 Posted 02/05/2013 at 17:44:18
I keep thinking Reidy is looking really old, but thinking back to him trying to keep up with Maradona and even then he looked like a fan of Worther's Originals.

Jelavic to find form (again) - 2-0.

Liam Reilly
4 Posted 02/05/2013 at 18:13:22
See Liverpool are poised to pay tribute to Everton for the support over Hillsborough this Sunday with a mosaic on the Kop.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2318188/Liverpool-fans-pay-tribute-Everton-support-Hillsborough-Kop-mosaic-ahead-derby.html

Nice touch and hopefully will be respected by the Blues at the ground before we obviously go on and beat them.

Eugene Ruane
5 Posted 02/05/2013 at 18:50:48
Anyone remember an away game at Oxford (not THE away game at Oxford) when Reidy came out with his hair dyed black?

After we realised who it was, there was many a..um..ribald comment passed I can tell you (not to mention the singing of 'Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler')

Actually I saw him play for Huyton Boys in about 1971 and he looked about 30 then.

Here he is after a visit to Herbert Of Liverpool for 'the full black quink'

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5103x1w3qrL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

(a great great great player by the way).

Colin Wainwright
6 Posted 02/05/2013 at 20:50:35
Only Everton player able to silence Souness and Case. Could do with a present day version tbh.
Steve Harris
7 Posted 02/05/2013 at 21:05:15
Actually Eugene, it was Wimbledon away in the cup that Reidy came out looking like he`d had a bath in `Grecian 2000`!
Tony I'Anson
8 Posted 02/05/2013 at 21:14:52
3 more sleeps.
Chris Regan
9 Posted 02/05/2013 at 21:19:01
Funny, I have a not so sneaky feeling we will get beat and will wake up Monday with a feeling of being totally robbed! Dubious refereeing decisions, allowing them to get away with all sorts coupled with us bottling it. Who will be sent off? Fellaini? Pienaar? Fuck sake! This is too much already put me in a coma until Tuesday then bring me round.
Colin Wainwright
10 Posted 02/05/2013 at 21:27:40
I've got a sneaky feelin' that we're gonna mur.....not gonna say it, 'cos i'm a fuckin' jinx.
Andy Kay
11 Posted 02/05/2013 at 23:05:50
Great line from WSAG at the time of Reidy's new hairdo ... "I thought we'd signed Tony Curtis!" — made me laugh for days that one.
Eugene Ruane
12 Posted 02/05/2013 at 23:42:43
You're probably right Steve (699), my memory is shot to pieces.
Jimmy Sørheim
13 Posted 03/05/2013 at 00:09:15
We will probably draw against them, and Moyes will be pleased with that as he always sells us short. He always brags about how great the reds are as a club, and I think he should stop that for good. Right now, Liverpool are below us and Moyes should aim to win the game.

I think we will need two strikers in order to win the game. I would give Vellios a chance alongside Anichebe. Jelavic is so out of form that he should be in the reserves right now. McAleny and Vellios both deserve a chance instead of Jelavic at this point.

Peter Bell
14 Posted 03/05/2013 at 08:46:10
Colin Wainwright, Jimmy Case had left Liverpool before Reid arrived at Everton and his paths only crossed with Souness for one season for which Reid never once came out on the winning side. So were does this silencing of Souness and Case come from. Wish people would remember that not everyone on this forum was born in the 90s. For me he was the most over rated player of the great team of 85
Colin Wainwright
15 Posted 03/05/2013 at 09:56:16
Peter Bell. Case played for Southampton and was as quiet as a mouse when faced with Reidy. No one said he was playing for the shite at the time. The only thing Souness managed against us in 83-84, was the goal in the Milk Cup Final Replay, after running us ragged for years. I was born in 72. I was there.
Colin Wainwright
16 Posted 03/05/2013 at 10:09:35
Over rated, my arse. He never got the credit he deserved. He allowed us to play. Played half the title winning season with broken ribs too, if memory serves me right.

Ray Roche
17 Posted 03/05/2013 at 10:10:51
Peter Bell @ 773

Sorry, Peter, you're wrong. Reid was a terrific player for Everton until age crept up on him. Sadly he took a dogs abuse off some sections of the crowd, something we at EFC are renowned for, and this has clearly soured your memory of him. And I've been going since the 1950's, so please don't try and make out I was born in the 90's. (Peter, at times, like when I'm trying to bend down to put my socks on, I wish I was)

Kev Johnson
18 Posted 03/05/2013 at 10:14:23
I didn't go to Goodison in the mid-80s, but I had a mate who did and he used to tell me that Reid was getting all the plaudits but the man who was really running things in central midfield was Paul Bracewell. As I say, that's a second hand opinion, but it does tend to back up Peter Bell's point.
Andrew Ellams
19 Posted 03/05/2013 at 10:24:18
I think Bracewell had that tuoch of class that Reid didn't have but Reid was a worldclass ball winner and the catalyst to many of Evertons attacking play at at that time. As a partnership they were similar to Keane and Scholes when they ran Uniteds midfield without Scholes more adventurous goalscoring side
Mike Iddon
20 Posted 03/05/2013 at 10:27:56
Peter Reid was an absolute giant in our midfield in the 80s, HE allowed Bracewell to play. I remember us playing the shite in the cup shortly after Barnes had destroyed us in the league at Goodison when Reidy wasn't playing. Barnes didn't get a kick and we won. He was fucking brilliant and shed blue blood.
Peter Laing
21 Posted 03/05/2013 at 10:27:55
Would that be the same Peter Reid @Peter Bell that won the PFA Player's Player of the Year in 1985. Voted for by his contemporaries who in my opinion are the most likely to be able to judge a player on their merits having played with or against, as opposed to the views of a fickle fan or journalist. For every Steven, Sheedy and Bracewell, you need a Reid or Andy Gray, a true fusion of silk and steel. Eugene has alluded to the need for a hardcase in the current team and I tend to agree with him on this point.
Matt Thomas
22 Posted 03/05/2013 at 10:32:57
Peter Bell — wash your mouth out!! How dare you say Peter Reid was overrated, he may've been no Alan Ball or Trevor Steven for skill and goalscoring but he was the heartbeat of a team who every club side wanted to sign, including Liverpool, after the 1986 FA Cup Final when there was a lot of talk of him signing for FC Cologne. I won't reveal my source for integrity reasons!!
Kev Johnson
23 Posted 03/05/2013 at 10:56:51
Talking about "sneaky", I've just had a sneaky look on the LFC site, to see what they're saying about the match. The "10 Derby Cliches' was mildly entertaining... http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/have-you-seen/kop-10-derby-cliches
Ray Roche
24 Posted 03/05/2013 at 11:30:47
Kev, that's quite entertaining, and "our" bird is better than theirs. When the camera pans to the two fans of them and us I'd rather like to see ours nutting theirs....
Kev Johnson
25 Posted 03/05/2013 at 11:59:02
Ray - yeah, we definitely win the EFC v LFC "Most attractive woman" match. I think it was Jane Austin who said: "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of good sense must be in want of a wife who is an Evertonian."
Peter Bell
26 Posted 03/05/2013 at 17:40:56
Reid had been at Everton for two years and nothing had changed, it was the introduction of Andy Gray that was the motivational force behind that great team.And yes, Kev Johnson, it was the introduction of Bracewell that turned the 84 Cup winners into 85 champions and ECWC winners. We won the league in 87 when Reid spent most of the season sat in the stands, so not that influencial. Colin Wainwright, one game against Jimmy Case in a relegated Southampton team doesnt make Reid some sort of icon. By the way still got that game on tape, can you point out to me what it was exactly Reid did to "silence" Case.Southampton were that good then we beat them 6-1.
Brendan McLaughlin
27 Posted 03/05/2013 at 18:03:18
Peter #916
Not the way I remember it. Andy Gray only came into the team after Adrian Heaths injury when the team was already flying. OK Gray filled Heath's boots seamlessly but I don't buy the suggestion that he was the missing link, Or are you suggesting he did his "motivating" from the sidelines?
Peter Bell
28 Posted 03/05/2013 at 18:11:43
Brendan, you appear to have lost the early years of Andy Grays Everton career somewhere. Joined in November 83 when we were near relegation zone with gates of 18,000 and by end of season finished seventh and won the FA Cup. Who do you suggest was responsible for this, I have heard all the great stories about Grays motivational speeches, cannot recall any about Adrian Heaths. Gray played up front that Season with Sharp and Heath back in midfield. Heath got injured one year after Gray had arrived, when the turn round had started, by then Everton had gone from being in the relegation zone to top of the league, who do you suggest was responsible for that.Sharp was a shy introverted forwar until Gray arrived or do you believe it was Heath that sudenly turned him into a top class striker. Like him or not and believe it or not, I don't, but Andy Gray changed our club, and the team and the spirit went when he left. Dont ask me, just read the biographies of the players who played there at the time. We replaced a motivator, with a selfish money grabber called Lineker, and our club was never the same after. Gray changed that team, Reid had done nothing until he arrived
Peter Bell
29 Posted 03/05/2013 at 18:32:28
Peter Laing, any of that team of 85 could have taken the PFA player of the year award, they were that good. I think the PFA Team of the year was made up mostly of Everton players. Our goalkeeper got voted sports writers player of the year the same year and that could have gone to anyone of that team also.
Brendan McLaughlin
30 Posted 03/05/2013 at 18:26:35
Peter

Rather think you're overstating Grays contribution on the field at least. In the 1983/84 season Adrian Heath finished as Everton's top scorer. I don't remember him doing that from midfield.

Colin Wainwright
31 Posted 03/05/2013 at 20:19:37
What a load of shit. One game against Case does not make him an icon. Four seasons in which we turned from relegation fodder to the best team in the league, does. If you have the game, watch it. Reid flattened him after about five minutes, he wasn't seen for the rest of the game. When Reid joined he was still getting over horrendous injuries that had dogged his career, when he did he sweat blue blood for the club. Not once could I say that Peter Reid let Everton down or didn't give everything.

Bracewell was a fantastic player, but to assert that the title winning season was entirely due to him signing, is again, one eyed bollocks.

Andy Gray was immense for us but i'm not having this motivational genius cack. If the team was never the same after he left, what happened in 87? Lay off the biographies and wiki and try to remember what you actually saw.

Peter Bell
32 Posted 03/05/2013 at 21:56:18
So Colin, can you point out to me what was Reids contribution in 87 when we won the league and he spent the majority of the season sat in the stand. Why were we still relegation fodder under Reid in November 83 and only got better once Gray arrived. Why did Reid do fuck all in his Everton career until Gray and Bracewell arrived and fuck all after Gray left and Bracewell got injured. What 4 years are you on about, The 80s purple patch in Everton's history lasted 18 months and coincided with the arrival and then departure of Andy Gray. Reid had fuck all to do with turning Everton round.

Mike Iddon is another one making up imaginary stories about Reid. Why would Peter Reid ever mark a left winger like John Barnes out of a match.,Gary Stevens was marking him and did a good job.

Matt Thomas says he has it from a good source that Reid missed the bus tour because he was speaking to Cologne, Reid says in the echo last night he was actually drinking in the Red Lion, some source, and some fucking Evertonian was Reid, leaving your team mates to drink in the pub. Sorry to put the dampener, Colin, on your fucking hero.

Colin Wainwright
33 Posted 03/05/2013 at 22:21:03
Are you his ex brother in law Peter? Does he owe you money? Fuckin' calm down lad.

We won two league titles, a CWC and an FA Cup, between 1984 and 1987. Our "purple patch" lasted 18 months apparently. Maths not your strong point?

You don't think Reid brought anything to the team whilst I think he was the lynchpin that allowed us to play some of the best football seen at Goodison Park. I can live with that disagreement tbh.

Colin Wainwright
34 Posted 03/05/2013 at 22:43:36
Oh and btw, what I do remember from 87, is our fantastic run in to the title, which I'm sure Reid played a part in.
Colin Wainwright
35 Posted 03/05/2013 at 22:52:19
One more thing. I don't think Mike Iddon said Reid was marking Barnes. That would be you "making up imaginary stories".
Jackie Barry
36 Posted 03/05/2013 at 22:43:18
Never heard so much hogwash in my life, I grew up watching Reid and he was class. He also came fourth in the World player of the Year when he won PFA player of the year, behind Michel Platini, Preben Elkjær and Diego Maradona.

Also how come Gray was so good if he didn't make it into the greatest ever XI?

Wales Neville Southall (1981–97)
England Gary Stevens (1982–89)
England Brian Labone (1958–71)
Wales Kevin Ratcliffe (1980–91)
England Ray Wilson (1964–69)
England Trevor Steven (1983–90)
England Alan Ball (1966–71)
England Peter Reid (1982–89)
Republic of Ireland Kevin Sheedy (1982–92)
England Dixie Dean (1925–37)
Scotland Graeme Sharp (1980–91)

Ray Roche
37 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:05:24
Jackie, I agree with your sentiments, Reid was a terrific player for us, as was Gray , but, in my view, to a much lesser degree. However, Greatest X1 sides are always subjective and there would be many different sides chosen by ToffeeWebbers if such a thread were started, but the nucleus would be very similar. Some players would be unchallenged, Nev, Labone, Ball, Dean, from those who saw him, Wilson, but the rest would be the subject of much discussion. But I can't see many putting Grays name forward. Apart from Peter Bell...
Mark Frere
38 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:05:25
Peter Bell

We won the league in 1987 when Andy Gray had been sold on at the end of the 1985 season. Andy Gray was replaced by Gary Lineker, who was much more prolific then Andy Gray. You totally overstate the importance that Andy Gray had on our success.

Peter Bell
39 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:05:57
Colin, Mike Iddon says Barnes destroyed us when Reid was not playing, then Barnes didnt get a kick when he did play, so what then exactly was his point if Gary Stevens was marking him. So the RS winger has a great game and its all because the Everton central mid fielder is missing.

Jackie Barry, Peter Reid "class" do me a favour, as the saying goes "Class is permanent, form is temporary.

Colin, the Everton purple patch lasted from November 83 until May 85. Please tell me what we did in 86.

Eugene Ruane
40 Posted 03/05/2013 at 22:57:23
I was going to post 'Peter Reid was overrated' but instead decided to wear a t-shirt that says "I know fuck all about football".

Maybe the dumbest thing I've ever read on TW (and I've read posts from Dave Wilson and Richard Dodd).

Reid was the heartbeat of the 85 side, a mouthpiece, an enforcer, a ball-winner, a team player who knew the ball should be won and given to those who could play.

With Peter Reid in the side, we always had more of the ball than the opposition and he despised losing.

He set an example and was an absolutely essential cog.

I first saw Reid play for Huyton boys in 70/71 in the final of the English schools trophy.

They won and the side were described at the time as the greatest schoolboy side ever.

OVERrated?

Nonsense!

Ask Inchy if he was overrated - he said it was only when Gray AND Reid came into the side they started to play without fear.

(by the way, I was born 1959 and didn't miss many games home/away during this era)

Peter Bell
41 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:25:21
Mark Frere, the most succesful period in the history of Everton Football Club happened between November 83 and May 85 and coincided with the Everton career of Andy Gray. That is a fact that no one on this forum can dispute. The team lacked morale & leadership both before and after this period. We replaced a motivator with a selfish money grabber called Lineker and were never the same.
Mark Frere
42 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:26:33
Peter Bell

Don't you call 1987 a purple patch then? In 86, we must of been the best ever team never to win anything, and there's the travesty of not been able to play in the European Cup that year.

Jackie Barry
43 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:30:44
Funny how those that matter in the footballing World, us not included,l say that Peter Reid was class. Tell me Peter how do you come 4th in the World footballer of the year vote behind those players? No don't bother because that mattered had him there for a reason.
Peter Bell
44 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:32:12
Eugene, you have it the wrong way round, Reid arrived well before Gray, so why did they only start playing without fear until Gray arrived,
Eugene Ruane
45 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:32:52
The 87 side lacked morale and leadership!?

This is a a wind-up, repeat, a wind-up!

Jackie Barry
46 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:38:36
Reid did not arrive well before Gray at all, Reid arrived in 1982, Gray arrived in 1983. Hardly well before in footballing terms.
Jackie Barry
47 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:42:21
Look who else arrived during 1982-83 I would say it was a combination of many player if you ask me. It would also take time for them to bond together. I would say it was about the team not one particular player, but Reid is still an Everton great.
Jackie Barry
48 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:49:47
Take a look at when some of these great men came along:-


Neville Southall Wales GK 1981–1997
Derek Mountfield England CB 1982–1988
Adrian Heath England MF 1982–1988
Gary Stevens England RB 1982–1988
Peter Reid England MF 1982–1988
Kevin Sheedy Republic of Ireland MF 1982–1992
Andy Gray Scotland FW 1983–1985
Trevor Steven England MF 1983–1989

Peter Bell
49 Posted 03/05/2013 at 23:39:45
Jackie, class players are those that have done it over over a vast period of time, he was that good that Everton got him for £60k at the age of 29 and was then lucky to play in the best team in Evertons history. Why had he not played for anyone other than Bolton. That good that he could not get in the England team ahead of Ray "pass the ball sidewards" Wilkins who won 70 more England caps than him.

Sorry, but 18 months doesn't make someone a class player in my eyes.

Peter Bell
50 Posted 04/05/2013 at 00:06:29
Jackie @026
Can you confirm for me when Heath & Mountfield played for England ?
David Hallwood
51 Posted 04/05/2013 at 00:16:49
I don't think Heath was capped, and Mountfield definately wasn't. Peter Bell(#026) I would go as far a saying that we have never replaced Reid; a true Everton great, and one of a handful of players who can control a game
Mark Frere
52 Posted 04/05/2013 at 00:12:22
Peter Bell,

Why are you trying to pick fault with great players from our golden era? We had lots of legends that were part of our best period in our history. Reid is a legend and Gray is a legend, just leave it at that!

Peter Bell
53 Posted 04/05/2013 at 00:08:09
Eugene, I also seen all these games in that era and Reid was not the heartbeat of that team. Ratcliffe's pace at the back, and Bracewell's workrate in the middle of the park, were the heartbeat of that team.

If Reid was the mouthpiece, then why did Kendall make Ratcliffe the captain?

Andy Crooks
54 Posted 04/05/2013 at 00:27:40
Peter. mouthpiece and Captain are two different roles.
Peter Bell
55 Posted 04/05/2013 at 00:22:52
Mark.

Peter Reid was a good player in a great side, but I cannot accept posters trying to fabricate stories like he silenced Souness, Case, Barnes when he quite clearly didn't.

And Colin Wainwright, I don't need to research Wikipedia or read my biographies, I know what I saw.

Went to a sportsman's dinner a few years ago listening to Alan Kennedy tell some story about how he and Tommy Smith had done Duncan McKenzie on the half-ay line and everyone was in tears of laughter in the room. Well I support Everton and know it is total bullshit as Tommy Smith had left Liverpool long before Kennedy arrived at Liverpool. So how the fuck did Kennedy, Smith & McKenzie play in the same match?

Andy Meighan
56 Posted 04/05/2013 at 00:25:51
I can't believe anyone could question the influence Reidy had on that side. The lad was superb. That midfield axis of Reid, Bracewell, Sheedy and Stevens will go down in Everton history as the finest I and most on here will ever have the pleasure of seeing,

God, I wish they were facing that Shite on Sunday.

Eugene Ruane
57 Posted 04/05/2013 at 00:33:01
Peter Reid was 'lucky' to play for Everton, he was not a class player, the 87 champions had no morale or leadership..etc blah.

Sorry, I believe this is a wind up and I'm having no more to do with it.

(and if it's not a wind-up, it is the dumbest stuff I've EVER read on TW so the same applies).

Goodnight dolt.

Peter Bell
58 Posted 04/05/2013 at 00:36:05
Andy, please explain.

The role of the captain is to portray the managers instructions on the pitch.

So who better to do this than the mouthpiece? But he chose Ratcliffe rather than Reid the mouth piece.

Peter Bell
60 Posted 04/05/2013 at 00:57:32
Eugene, if Reid was the heartbeat of the team, what happened against Maradona.
Oh yes, let me guess, Bracewell was not there to do his running for him.
Derek Thomas
61 Posted 04/05/2013 at 00:40:09
Player X was the heartbeat of this team. No, Player(s) Y & Z were or what ever...Could it be that the key, the common link, was the word TEAM...wow a ground breaking novel concept here, that the whole thing was greater than the sum of its individual parts. Silly how nobody has thought of that before.

As somebody said elswhere there is a difference between mouth piece ( and coin tosser / armband wearer for that matter ) and Captain. That team in the mid 80's had 4 or 5 or 6 'captains'. How many do we have now??NONE, oh we have mouth pieces and armband wearers, maybe even pointers and fist wavers, but no leaders. Thats one of the reasons we have 40 odd no wins at some grounds.

In the 86 world cup who ever was still on the pitch and whoever came off ( Wilkins?) so Reid could come on makes no difference. Watch the game ( paraguay?) He Bossed it.

As for not being able to catch Maradonna, better players than him would've had no chance

Peter Bell
62 Posted 04/05/2013 at 01:06:06
Derek Thomas, the point I make is this, against Maradona he had to run for once, and with no Bracewell he failed miserably.
Patrick Murphy
63 Posted 04/05/2013 at 01:07:41
How anyone can question the ability or desire of Peter Reid is way beyond my understanding unless of course you didn't see him play. Yes Bracewell did his running and passing but it was Peter who won the ball time and time again 100% commitment in every game he played and he was a winner who got treated rather shabbily by a large minority of the crowd towards the end of his career at Goodison. Andy Gray was cut out of the same cloth and they both helped the younger players to improve their game, that 1984 team had an average age of 23/24 and so the importance of those 2 players cannot be overestimated. 'He's fat he's round he's worth a million pound Peter Reid Peter Reid'
Peter Bell
64 Posted 04/05/2013 at 01:16:45
Lets get this right here.
Sheedy played the football
Steven played the football
Reid won the football
Bracewell, run, won and passed the football
Peter Bell
65 Posted 04/05/2013 at 01:24:46
In other words Reid could have been replaced by Kevin Richardson no problem, not so easy with the other three
Derek Thomas
66 Posted 04/05/2013 at 01:17:20
Peter, he wasn't there ( and never would be in any team ) on just his pace alone. No one else in the England team with any pace, nobody there in all those international 'stars' to do his running for him ( who did wilkinses running for him ) So to do a revisionist / hatchet job on him is more than a bit harsh.

He was what he was, We and England were the better team for having him.

Also, We and England were the poorer for not having Bracewell, who was essentially finished as a player at newcastle in Jan. The fact that He and the rest of the team kept going until May makes my whole 'Team' point

With Reid (and Bracewell and others of that ilk )You got exactly what it said on the tin...

WINNER.

With your views I think you will find yourself in a single digit minority.

Peter Bell
67 Posted 04/05/2013 at 01:27:35
Patrick, no one is questioning the desire of Peter Reid, but just think people on this forum are going overboard on his influence on 85 team
Jackie Barry
68 Posted 04/05/2013 at 01:32:21
Exactly my point Eric and why I listed those players before along with when they arrived @ Everton FC. They all contributed to the team that Everton were and without one of them it may have been an entirely different story. All I know is that I saw Reid playing and saw the many, many times he was star like many of the others around him. Call him whatever you want Peter, I know what I saw.
Peter Bell
69 Posted 04/05/2013 at 01:32:15
Can we talk about a class act for a change, how about Trevor Steven. Oh no, not him, that guy had skill, the ability to run with the ball at his feet with pace, could take a man on left or right, cross a ball left or right, head a ball, tackle, support, score goals, free kicks, corners and best penalty taker in clubs history. If Reid was class what does it make Trevor Steven.

That why football in this country is so far behind the other countries. We love the Peter Reids and ignore the Trevor Stevens.

Eugene, enjoy your sleep, I know who I would rather watch

Jackie Barry
70 Posted 04/05/2013 at 01:50:43
Nobody ever said that Trevor Steven wasn't, wherever did you get that idea from?
Derek Thomas
71 Posted 04/05/2013 at 03:27:20
Peter; back on topic please, you've built your revisionist house on shakey ground, bigging up Trevor Steven won't get you out of the hole, just stop digging.
Peter Bell
72 Posted 04/05/2013 at 18:53:01
Derek, you are the one in the hole mate, English football is so far behind the rest of Europe, Why, because people like you have this mentality that, as long as you can tackle you will be okay. we encourage our youth to be like Reid rather than Steven. My friends son went for a trial at Blackburn under Allardyce and the first thing they did was check how fast he could run the 100 metres, his father had to tell them he had gone there to play football not compete with Usain Bolt. You continue to watch your vidoes of Reid, if that what gets you exicted, I will watch Trevor Steven
Colin Wainwright
73 Posted 05/05/2013 at 00:00:22
I don't, for the fucking life of me, know where you have developed this, frankly, ludicrous idea that the people on this thread, who recognise what Reid brought to the team, are somehow anti-football. Apart from the fact that we are talking about football in the 1980's, when a player like Peter Reid was a necessity (my original post wished for an "updated" version of Reid), every contributor has alluded to his strengths. Total commitment, everything for the team, ensure the "players" have the ball. Not once has anyone tried to compare him to the likes of Sheedy or Steven ('cos that would be like comparing an apple to a hoover, i.e. fuckin ridiculous).

Peter, give it up. You are starting to sound like a wind up.

Colin Wainwright
74 Posted 05/05/2013 at 00:18:05
"In other words Reid could have been replaced by Kevin Richardson no problem"

So why wasn't he?

Colin Wainwright
75 Posted 05/05/2013 at 00:27:23
Oh, and Peter @ 014 (you're the gift that keeps on giving).

"Colin, Mike Iddon says Barnes destroyed us when Reid was not playing, then Barnes didnt get a kick when he did play, so what then exactly was his point if Gary Stevens was marking him. So the RS winger has a great game and its all because the Everton central mid fielder is missing."

I'm sure Mike will explain himself but what I took from that was maybe Reid controlled the midfield, to an extent that the supply to the winger/rapper/shitpundit, was cut off. I know. Fanciful, pie in the sky talk.

Paul Ferry
76 Posted 05/05/2013 at 00:17:59
Peter Bell, note the name, add it to the WUM list. I have absolutely no understanding why some half-wit would appear on here to attack Peter Reid. And what happened in '86? Actually, we played our best footie in that year over 1983-1987.

20 posts from a ranter and raver on a single post; is this a record? And utter shite from the first word to the last (hang on, I do agree about Tricky Trev). Gray the glory-giver! Erm, we could name other players who straddled your 83-85 hiatus, are they also therefore the key?

I would hope that in future if Peter Bell posts on here again that we give him the silent treatment. I'm all for the cut and thrust of debate and revisionism is no bad thing in principle, but this is pure bollocks and it's very hard to imagine it coming out of the mouth of one of us.

Colin Wainwright
77 Posted 05/05/2013 at 00:37:35
You're right Paul. Wasting my time.

Going to get head down.

Paul Ferry
78 Posted 05/05/2013 at 00:51:27
Get a good night's kip, CW – God help us one and all today/tomorrow!!!

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