Moyes bemoans Manchester Moneybags

Either way, the sooner we get a new stadium, obviously the more revenue we can generate and the more revenue we generate the more competitive (presumably) we get... but then again, where the fuck are we going to get that coin to build a... Actually, I'm just going to stop and go back to sleep...

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/04/david-Moyes-everton

Without a team that produces results on a regular basis and gets us to Wembley and Europe you are not going to attract the crowds and interest in Corporate boxes and the fans will stick with their Scouse Pie and Pint of Chang.

Get the directors to plunge their hands into those deep pockets and pull out a few rabbits for Moyes to breed a team of thoroughbreds.

Imagine therefore, my distaste at the notion of it becoming, say...the EasyJet Arena.

WE are the only investors in the club.
WE pay to watch.
WE pay for season tickets.
WE buy club merchandise.

The Board watch for free. Take any merchandise they want. >Hold shares so lose no money. Only buy so long as our sales exceed what we are buying.

This BOARD does not invest but expect outsiders to provide investment. A load of damn hypocrites if you ask me. I for one am disgusted and dismayed at what this board are doing (nothing) to improve our image and squad. We are just treading water and the only way is down so long as this board of latter day Neroes continue to fiddle whilst the team decays.

I think what has happened to Tony Fernandes at QPR will have put a lot of prospective investors off the idea and for Everton the greatest barrier to a `good` takeover remains the stadium. For that reason, I am bringing my son up to see `seventhish` as `heavenish`!

But, rather than carping on about how everything is stacked against him(as usual), he should focus on what he CAN do to bridge the gap.

For example, he could get rid of the deadwood from the team, save £10M / season and give a few academy players some chance to develop.

Every season we might be able to sell a rodwell for £10M.

Not a perfect plan, but at least its sustainable and within our control to develop our own talent and occasionally sell a bit of the family silver. Instead we've too many players who contribute little and take huge amounts in salary.

What I'd like us to do is plan for a few seasons of mid-table football, focus on youth development and clear our debt. We'll then be in a much better position in the long term to exploit whatever income we do have which can be spent on the club and not go to the banks.

Of course, the tricky issue is paying for it, but a few more seasons of the RS being second-best to us (starting this afternoon!) may well persuade their rich American owners that a shared stadium would be mutually beneficial.

I also think that it's not a given that we would struggle to fill a 50,000 stadium, with dozens of corporate boxes. The product on the pitch is all important, but if we get this right, there is a case for arguing "if we build it, they will come"!

Yes, our support does largely come from a traditional working class demographic, but Premier League football is now cosmopolitan, and an acceptable way for the more affluent sports fans (and not even Everton fans) to spend their leisure time.

True story — I was outside Old Trafford a few years ago, two hours before the United-Everton game. An American bloke approached a large group of United fans, and asked if anybody knew where he could buy cigarettes. Of the fifty or so united fans in various groups, not one could help, as not one fan came from Manchester. Yes, this might be an extreme example, as it is well known that United attract fans from all over the world, but the point stands (I think) that a successful Everton team (and I'm thinking Top Six) would pull in plenty of "new" fans, willing to spend money in shiny bright new surroundings.

We too have supporters clubs all around the world, and progressive marketing (I know, I know !) could surely bring plane-loads of Evertonians to a big new stadium, and allow these fans to deposit their dollars, yen, and dongs into our coffers!

Sorry, lads. Try pasting it into your browser or just go to the Guardian's online sports section. Or perhaps Mike could put the article up top?

(I'm a bit useless with technology.)

But if we build a new stadium and Liverpool want to rent it once a fortnight, clean up after themselves, have no music on the PA system - then I'm cool with that.

Not sure as many "across the park" will embrace such defeatism and negativity.

Dreadful piece.

I think that if we had a stadium capable of holding 50k it would still only need to cater for 35k on average through the season, with all the empty seats underlying our inability to fill it.

Not too happy about selling the naming rights to our ground, but it is a way of generating much needed income.

We do desperately need a new stadium, with more seats, as I'm sure we could fill it. I know a lot of fans won't attend goodison because of the state of the stadium and the 4000 seats which have restricted view. A new stadium would also allow for extra corporate facilities and private boxes which bring in a lot of money, something which is very very restricted at our ground yet proves very popular.

Give Moyes what he needs and he will give us the success we want....

COYB!!!!! IMWT!!!!!

Seventhish may be heavenish for Kenwright but no goo good enough for the fans, we will only progress when Kenwright is gone.

Anyway mate, You wouldn't be moaning now if we had City's money would you? More excuses for his dismal failures every year.

Money isn't the only factor in being able to compete. Stability and squad harmony count for a lot. Its not all good stuff having a massive squad of overpaid ego's. QPR are a great example of what happens when there is no stability and too much money. Even sheik Mansoors billions can't get Man City close to Utd this season either.

Maybe next time we play leeds, brentford, or norwich or whoever, we should remind them before the game that we're richer than they are and so they probably shouldn't bother putting out a team.

I think Moyes comes out with stuff like this to massage his own ego. I think he likes to keep reminding people what a miraculous job he's doing getting the 10th richest club in the land into 6th or 7th place on a consistent basis.

Truth is that we've not really struggled against the richer teams to the extent that we have done against teams assembled for similar or less than us. Its all the draws and losses against the lower ranked teams this season which have cost us, not the fact that we might lose at Chelsea.

Go to the Guardian's football page and scroll down to the Most Read tab. It's there at No. 8

Or Google Moyes guessing

The Company are already waiting for West Ham to get the Olympic Stadium and want all London clubs to get decent size grounds, which they will in time. Spurs planning one , so are QPR and Fulham aren't that far behind.

The only way for the Liverpool clubs to get back up there is by winning things, getting together to build a 60-70,000 joint stadium, getting a decent airport and hoping to God that there is something better to do and see other than the Albert Dock!!!

This section is especially interesting...

"Everton's average net spend per season in the Moyes years comes in at a mere £803,000. Compare that with Aston Villa's average of £10.8m over the past decade, Stoke's £7.8m and Sunderland £7.6m and their corresponding league positions: Everton pushing for a Champions League place until recently; Villa, Stoke and Sunderland fighting relegation."

To me, that signifies over-achievement by Everton on the face of chronic and severe financial pressure.