A Promotion from Within?

Moyes dropping big hints about backroom staff
Despite the rampant speculation about a slew of established and recognized managers being considered for the Everton post, perhaps the most significant hints can be gleaned from David Moyes talking up his backroom staff. Moyes says he would recommend any of the members of the current coaching staff to succeed him as manager.

Among those being linked with the job are Alan Stubbs, David Weir and Duncan Ferguson - all former Everton FC players who are presently part of the backroom team. The Echo claims that the four have held individual talks with Bill Kenwright and Robert Elstone "during the last 48 hours" about what role they see for themselves in the future Everton setup.

And asked on Friday whether he would recommend members of that team to Kenwright, David Moyes said: “I would always recommend the people who are around me. A lot of them know how the workings of the building (at the training ground) are, how we move things forward and the restraints the club has, so it is easy for them to deal with that.

“We (Moyes and Kenwright) speak a couple of times on the phone, and if he has anything to say or wants me to help him, I will do so. think continuity at every club is important. You can't always just have a complete clean slate and start again. But these are questions you need to wait to ask the chairman about when the time comes.”

Another name that has been mentioned in relation to the Everton FC post is that of current captain Phil Neville, who reports have suggested Kenwright wants to be part of the new management structure.

Quotes or other material sourced from Liverpool Daily Post



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Mark Rawsthorne
1 Posted 18/05/2013 at 11:51:25
To everyone who wouldn't promote from within the club, look at our most successful managers and manager who we last won trophy with, Joe Royle, ex player, Howard Kendall ex player, Colin Harvey ex player, I for one wouldn't mind seeing Stubbs or Ferguson given a chance, as well as continuing stability at the club.
Tony Marsh
2 Posted 18/05/2013 at 13:51:46
Like I said last week: it will be Phil Neville. The only difference is I hear today that it will be Neville and Stubbs as opposed to Neville and Wier. This has come from someone at the club and it makes sense to me as it's the easiest and cheapest option.

I can't believe those of you who think Martinez is a bad manager because Wigan went down this season. It's a miracle they lasted as long as they did with -£12 miliion net spend. How well do you think Moyes would of fared at Wigan under the same conditions? They wouldn't've won the FA Cup — that's for sure.

Terry Downes
3 Posted 18/05/2013 at 14:42:23
Not Neville again?

I just don't get it... I would prefer Ferguson anyday.
Andy Peers
4 Posted 18/05/2013 at 14:45:33
Current staff can stay to assist the new manager but not be the new manager. Everton should be looking to progress from Moyes time here not go backwards. This is not a good sign for next season.
Karl Jones
5 Posted 18/05/2013 at 14:47:02
Duncan as manager with Steve Round and Alan Stubbs as his Assistants would be brilliant..A gamble, but better than the disruption an outsider would bring to the club.
Ross Edwards
6 Posted 18/05/2013 at 14:48:49
With him in in charge until 30 June, who knows who it will be, he'll probably force BK to bring Walter back as technical director or something. It's going to be another 5 or 6 years of dour Jockness next season. I'm expecting a season of snooze-fests and struggle if Weir or Neville is appointed.

BK out. I wish Moyes would piss off and ruin United rather than ruining the club by recommending 4 people who couldn't even coach an army of ants.

Steve Guy
8 Posted 18/05/2013 at 14:51:14
As a statement of intent it would be a pretty poor one. No amount of spin will make this one feel good if true.

Europe? Nah! Let's just make sure we stay in the EPL....

Colin Glassar
10 Posted 18/05/2013 at 14:54:10
I'd be sick if it was one of our back room boys. No disrespect to them but I wanted a clean break from the Moyes era, obviously building on and improving upon what he left in place. I just feel like any combo of these lads will just be an inferior version of Moyes and our football will suffer.

At least Martinez won't be blamed by the statisticians on here when Everton return to bottom half, dull, mindless football.

Daniel Lawrence
11 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:00:06
Kenwright can't risk anyone coming in who'll question the lack of money to spend etc. Let's face it, this board couldn't care less if we come 6th or 16th. The lower we come, the less they have to justify lack of funding as it's blamed on budgeting for 6th anyway.

Clap clap clap ....

Patrick Murphy
12 Posted 18/05/2013 at 14:55:02
I think it makes perfect sense - not my choice though - for BK and his board to keep it in house as Kevin Tully points out on another thread, this board have nothing to gain by appointing a manager who may ask awkward questions about where the club wants to go in the future.

Better from their point of view to have somebody who is grateful for the opportunity and will perform under the current board and restraints of the club's finances. It is a gamble for them because if the senior players don't buy into it and decide the club is lacking in ambition they will be off pretty damn quick.

As a defence of an in-house appointment it is probably safer to do that until a better candidate appears on the horizon rather than just picking anyone who happens to be available. It just highlights how badly the club is being run and the financial predicament we find ourselves in.

Make do and mend it's the only way to manage Everton FC


John Hoggarth
13 Posted 18/05/2013 at 14:59:35
Ross at 209. Those four "people who couldn't even coach an army of ants" just led us to 6th place in a season when we played some of the best football we've seen for years. And the club and our play were lauded by every professional asked to give an opinion on us. Not suggesting everything was anywhere near perfect or that one of the four should be appointed but I guess whoever gets the job you'll ee pretty near impossible to please. By the way...30 days in June
Graham Coldron
15 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:01:12
Appointing a member of the backroom staff could be a big mistake. I seem to remember around the time of the Colin Harvey managerial appointment the likes of Reid, Darracott and Lyons were all part of the backrom staff — all legends but not natural managers apart from Reid maybe.

If it is such a good idea, why didn't Ferguson appoint Giggs with Scholes as his Number 2?

Far better to have a clean break from Moysie — the Portugese fellah looks worth a go and he will not cost anything.

I cannot see Martinez fitting the bill — imagine him coping with a snarling Goodison if things are going pear-shaped?

Kev Shearer
16 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:09:18
Hopefully my wish will come true then with Dunc and Sheeds as next managers. I was made up when I read this headline this morning.

Neville can take a hike though, and follow his mate Moyes down the M62.

Paul Foster
17 Posted 18/05/2013 at 14:51:17
Tony Marsh, you have spent a decade claiming money is no excuse for David Moyes' performance as manager but now say it is absolutely an excuse for Martinez getting his club relegated. You can't have it both ways.

As it happens, the net spend of Everton and Wigan are astonishingly close. Year after year there's matter of a few hundred thousand between them. Yet Everton are pushing or qualifying for Europe every season as Martinez's Wigan battle relegation and eventually drop out.

But it's not only the comparison between Moyes and Martinez that's important here. It's also the comparison between Martinez and his predecessors on an identical budget. Wigan finished 10th and 11th in the few seasons before Martinez arrived. Nice fella though he clearly is, your man Martinez has managed no better than 16th and now has his team playing in the Championship.

But I'll return to my original point: are you seriously making a financial excuse for Martinez aftet so many years of vehemently arguing it was not a factor to be considered in assessing Moyes?!

I wonder if his appointment at one of the world's biggest clubs - hand-picked by the world's most successful manager - has wound you up a bit. Almost like people who know the game well are undermining your position that he's garbage!

Anyway, at least you're entertaining. Please never stop posting!

James Stewart
18 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:15:19
A thousand times NO!
Kev Shearer
19 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:13:04
Makes perfect sense to keep the job in-house... no compensation will be needed, no huge contracts, no pots of money needed, and no explanation of what is required/expected at the club, as Dunc and Sheeds already know the infrastructure and financial restraints at the moment.

Plus... an outside manager may come in and rip the club apart brick by brick and undo the good work Moyes has done building a decent squad, thus taking us from a top-six side into a bottom-six side.

James Stewart
20 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:16:27
Stubbs & Weir — the ghosts that just won't go away!
Kev Shearer
21 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:20:12
Besides, if you look at the managers being linked at the moment their not exactly experienced are they..

Lennon...been managing for five minutes in a second rate league..jeez...even Mike Walker could win trophies as Celtic manager

Poyet...again not experienced enough in top flight..ok..had short spells in lower leagues but hardly set the world on fire

I could go on....but my point is Dunc and Sheeds arent experienced either, so may as well give the job to two EFC legends who know the club inside out and wouldnt drastically change too much

James Stewart
22 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:25:15
People need to forget about Bielsa, Pereira et al and get behind Martinez as he is the only one Bill might appointment ahead of a Stubbs/Weir stooge.

The chance of Blue Bill having the foresight to approach a Bielsa type is about as likely as Dixie Dean coming back from the dead to knock one in at the park end.

We will be a bottom 6 side again before you can blink an eye with Stubbs in charge.

Barry Rathbone
23 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:18:46
Whoever comes I'll support but "knowing the building" is a new one.

We are desperate to break away from same old same old - just look at the vote Bill.... 50%, yeh 50% saying enough is enough.

Ross Edwards
24 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:28:42
Kev, are you working for Kenwright by any chance? We are not a struggling team anymore, and if we are to progress more, we need a foreigner like Pereira, De Boer, Jesus or Favre, not another dour scot like Weir, if we wanted that we could just reinstate Moyes.
Dave Weston
25 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:18:07
I think whoever we appoint as manager, the players need to see that there is ambition in the appointee(s). If the players don't see ambition from the board to move forward on what Moyes did achieve (stability etc.) then they will show their feelings by saying "I'm off" — and that's what I am frightened of.

We have gathered arguably the strongest squad for years albeit small for it to all go to pieces within the first season of a new era. I would prefer to see some stability with maybe Round or Stubbs staying with Vitor Pereira or Jesus coming in (ambition) than to sit on a wholly appointed staff from within (sorry about the pun). Both tactically aware with defense based upon offensive attacking football.

Dave Charles
26 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:27:01
I agree with Colin (216). No disrespect but a clean break from the Moyes era.
James Martin
29 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:28:55
Ross you do know that Neville isn't from Scotland don't you? How could he being named manager issue in another '5 or 6 years of dour jockness next season' (must be one long season that Ross). Also I hope there aren't any people from Scotland on here offended by this stereotype. Imagine if the premier league's greatest ever manager was from Scotland.....oh wait.

I don't particularly want any of the candidates although I do think Stubbs and Ferguson have done well with their age groups. They're either good coaches or we've got a good academy. I think Neville would cast off the shackles in a way Moyes never did. I always thought that his natural instinct to win had been mellowed by Moyes over the years. Maybe he'd get that back. Maybe some of them have been burning with ideas that Moyes would never implement and might play young players that Moyes never considered. I'm sure people had similar doubts about Guardiola (completely different world I know).

The moral is who knows how anyone would do? Mourinho could go to a club and completely cock it up whilst some ex-player could lead them to the league title. This is the risk we take whoever we appoint. Juande Ramos nearly took Spurs down then they turn to the man who relegated Southampton and Portsmouth and he takes them into the Champions League.

David Stewart
30 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:39:54
Why, why, why are so many people all for the idea that Davey moyes should have any input into the selection of the new Everton manager? I mean, you wouldn't ask your ex-wife to suggest a new one... the last thing she wants to see is you and the new missus walking around blissfully in love.

Whichever way you look at it, this man is now the manager of Man Utd, a team we will be competing against in next season's Premier League — a league that will be radically different to this season's.

At this time, four clubs out of this season's top 6 will have new managers, there's going to be an opportunity for any team that gets their act together to do well and all will be using any advantage they can.

I get the impression that over the years some people stopped following Everton and started supporting Moyes instead. I also believe that some of these people would have no problem if Mr Moyes carried on picking the team. Well, I don't wish to be the bearer of bad news but he's gone. He's had a wonderful send-off and we thank him for an interesting 11 years but it's now time for him to empty his drawer and move on.

It's now up to the Everton Board of Directors to grow some and select who THEY think is the best choice to take over the reigns of Everton. Like us, the fans they will be the ones impacted by the choice of the new manager — not the manager of Man Utd.
Mark Frere
31 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:16:51
Paul Foster 224

You make a good point when talking about Tony Marsh, but when you talk about the net spend of us and Wigan being very similar that is simply not true, if you're going by player transfer fee's net spend that might be similar. The thing you forget about is the wage bill difference of the two clubs, ours is much larger than Wigan's. Arsenal and Spurs net spend on players isn't that much different to ours, but their wage bills are substantially bigger then ours.

Fran Mitchell
33 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:36:55
"I can't believe those of you who think Martinez is a bad manager because Wigan went down this season." really? Martinez ain't that bad, but do you honestly think a team like everton, with no money, an aging squad et al is the place for Martinez to thrive?

"Not Neville again?

"I just don't get it... I would prefer Ferguson anyday." This is just nonsensical. What th hell do we know about eithers managerial ability? This isn't a vote over which footballer I prefered, it's about manager.

Personally I want Pereira.

Sammy Baloo
34 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:30:55
Re the comment at 184, you defeat your own argument – only one of those was promoted from within and he was a disaster (Harvey – great coach, terrible manager).

Joe Royle had done a brilliant job at Oldham, keeping a small club in the Prem until eventually they got relegated (shades of Martinez), whilst Howard Kendall had already done a superb job at Blackburn (similar trajectory to Moyes at Preston). They may have been Evertonians, but they went elsewhere and proved themselves before being considered for our manager's job.

Stubbs, Phil Neville, Big Dunc and Weir may all be decent managers one day, but if any of them was given the job with us before they've managed a smaller club with some level of competence, it would be the most unforgiveable decision in our history, really criminal mismanagement at board level, and I find it amazing that any of these names are even mentioned at all. We should be scouring the world for the right candidate, not Finch Farm.

David Greenwood
35 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:40:28
If we do promote from within, then Duncan and Pip would be my choice.

I think it's clear from all the comments on the site that there is no one outstanding candidate and we can see pros and cons for most of the people mentioned.

The trouble is we have to trust Blue Bill do get this right and that's the problem. We have no assets, he's sold all the silverware, we don't own our training ground, have to borrow at very high interest rates because the banks wont do business and BB and his chums wont loan, or put their own cash in. And so on.

He got it right last time, I've got my fingers crossed he gets it right this time but I'm not banking on it.

COYB

Lewis Barclay
37 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:53:45
Oh bollocks.

I've just started to consider Neville or Ferguson as serious possibilities to replace Moyes.

Both know the club inside out and both are respected by any serious fan for their loyalty and general commitment to the club. But both have absolutely no club management expertise.

Why am I even contemplating this being a good idea.

Oh well... back to my meths.

Fran Mitchell
38 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:51:32
So Martinez, the man who was forced to sell N'Zogbia, Valencia and reinvested the majority of the money very badly, is the man to take over the helm at Everton and entrusted with the task to reinvest money from Fellaini after being forced to sell.
Ed Fitzgerald
39 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:42:19
Our lack of ambition is depressing there will be no lack of experienced managers who want the job, we have been Man Utd's poodle for 11 years and know it looks like it is going to continue when Moyes takes up his post at Old Trafford, no wonder the RS mock us. We are fast becoming a version of a feeder club/reserves/rest home for Man Utd.

Does Kenwright have any backbone? He needs to search his memory, and remember the days when Moores sacked a manager for finishing 5th. Please take a chance and release us from some people's apparent delusion or addiction to the idea that if we don't stick to the Moyes/BK blueprint it will be the end of the world.

If he had any real bottle, he would appoint the Fat Spanish Waiter who would do a far better job than any manager thus far mentioned and certainly better than four or five internal candidates.

David Greenwood
40 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:00:39
FSW with Duncan as his assistant, now there's a thought...
Mark Tanton
41 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:59:40
The cheap option for Bill, the wrist slitting option for me. We could unearth a real gem from within but you wouldn't bank on it would you? Surely Everton has more ambition than to appoint backroom staff, surely?
Kevin Tully
42 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:59:33
I think it's been odds-on Moyes was intent on leaving when he wouldn't commit around Christmas.

Surely even our Board have had some contingency in place regarding his replacement? They would have drafted a shortlist of candidates, who fit in with their profile of a new manager.
Or is it more of a case of 'Oh shit, David's got another gig, get me Robert on the phone luv.'

No - even I can't believe they are that daft.

Mark Frere
43 Posted 18/05/2013 at 15:58:41
Fran Mitchell, I don't think the likes of James Macarthey, Kone, Diame , Maloney and many more I haven't mentioned were bad reinvestment. I think the shaky defence there, was their biggest downfall
Matthew Williams
44 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:07:09
I totally agree with David Weston(239). An in house appointment will send out the wrong message to the current players and it will be hard to attract the better players.I felt sick hearing Kenwright at the awards still going on about Moyes and how he won't let him down, what about us supporters who are expecting progression. Moyes is sure to be loyal to the staff and put themForward and Kenwright will more thab likely go with that.Stubbs was 20/1 at the start of the week but is now down to 11/4 is many places.
Tony Marsh
47 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:14:13
To all my fellow Evertonians on here, when did Weepy Bill and his redundant board ever get fuck all right?

Some say the David Moyes appointment was the only thing BK ever did that turned out for the best; I think all Moyes has done is help mask the serious issues relating to the club. Now, with a new manager required, isn't it all a little bit to obvious that the deal is done already?

If Weepy arse is blubbering that Moyes won't let us down then Moyes has already selected the new guy from within and Weepy has gone along with it — hence the pathetic outpouring.

Just face, it lads 'n' lasses, we've got Pip and AN Other and that's that. This dreaming of new blood has to stop and it's out with the old and in with the old's left-overs. Too many bits of info being leaked about inside job for it not to be true...

Sorry, but we have to face up to it: Pip 'n' Stubbsy.

Ray Roche
48 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:20:01
Mark Frere @ 261

Mark, " I think the shaky defence there, was their biggest downfall ", so, would that be the defence that Martinez was responsible for? He may have been responsible for some good signings like Malony and McCarthy but his team couldn't defend to save their lives.

I would also be just as prepared to see the FSW here, maybe with Neville, as I would to have any of the other internal promotions mentioned here. Show some ambition, Kenwright, and find a real manager, or just do one.

Michael Kenrick
49 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:12:06
James (#244) — "The moral is who knows how anyone would do?"

It's not an easy decision for this very reason, and I don't envy Bill's responsibility... in fact, getting David Moyes to make the decision for him has to be his ideal — given the trust, love and glorification bestowed. Bill comes out smiling once again, no matter who it is...

Record, personality, background, ethos — getting the mix right is daunting. Clearly whoever is ultimately chosen will have his supporters and critics from the start, based on the diverse perceptions of these various qualities voiced here to date. The idea that we will all get behind him as one given the wide diversity of views posted on every name that pops up (exception: Laudrup) seems unlikely in the extreme.

The Everton Manager is an very important position. And the debate will only reintensify with the appointment as people project forward what they think he is going to achieve in the coming season. The pleas will be for him to be "given time"... but, once the season starts, each game, each team selection, each tactical formation, each substitution, each press conference, each interview, each utterance will be analyzed and scrutinized. I think that's as it should be... but that's probably just a personal preference of mine. Others may not want to talk about it until he's had 10 games, a full season... 11 years in charge?

Exciting times lie ahead...

James Morgan
51 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:30:58
As I said on another thread, I heard through the grapevine that Ferguson will get the job.
I would like Pereira though for a complete change.
Dave Weston
52 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:21:28
Appointing a manager from outside and showing ambition to the incumbent players, fans, potential transfer targets and probably just as importantly any potential buyers for the club will clearly indicate ambition to progress. Failure to do that and to appoint fully from within with staff who have no management experience whatsoever between them that just begs the question: Will we still be in contention for Europe next season or fighting a relegation battle?

I think we all know the outcome of that scenario. Is that the legacy Moyes is leaving us? Filling the post of manager at this point is so important for the club to either we wither and die or for it to progress and build into new successful era. Bill Kenwright and the board needs to get this appointment right or we will see the club wither and fade into what has become to the likes of Leeds, Forest etc.

Mark Pierpoint
53 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:41:53
Fran Mitchell 255. You say he has invested the money poorly and I cant see it? Maloney, McCarthy, McArthur, Kone, Espinosa, Al-Habsi ( I thought looked handy in the cup final) I don't think that this is a bad return. That Boselli (sp) was shit but the aforementioned, as well as Valencia, Figeroa, Rodellega etc. point to a manager that has had more successes than failures? I think his dealings in the transfer market are actually a positive.

On the topic of a promotion from within I am skeptical and think it sends out the wrong message. How can Moyes suggest Ferguson, Stubbs and Weir, seriously? He worked damn hard at Preston to get an Everton job that was half the job it is now. What message is that honestly sending to young managers. Sam Baloo hits the nail on the head for me. All our top Evertonians have had to prove themselves at a lower level before joining, I for one think it would be disrespectful to the club we now have to give someone their first job here, this is a top six club. After all, only the best is good enough.

Paul Ferry
54 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:07:02
A gut horrible way to wake up - thanks.

It's only 10-09AM and I have another 14 hours or so
of despair until I can crawl into bed wine-sad

What ambition we have! What forward-looking leaders
we have! What imagination! What verve!

We have an opportunity to make a statement to all and sundry about us and where we see us going and how. But hey let's go inside, indoors, at home, cheap, safe, unimaginative, unexciting.

I should go down to the lake or go and have brunch at this cracking contemporary mexican but I am in a slump coz I read this: Moyes, I 'think continuity at every club is important'. He might mean the backroom boys but he means I fear the hot seat.

It's not realistic to think that Moyes will not have a say in the days to come. The question is how large and influential will that input be. Teary Billy will, I suspect, be swayed by the Man-U gaffer who he dotes on.

None of these inside names inspire me at any rate. Ferguson? Give me a break, no experience to speak of, keep coaching for us sure, let's have another look next time .......

Needs to be someone from outside who would give us something different. England and Europe are full of good options, there's one, there's another, there;'s another one.

Breathe some new life into this club please. I know many on here don't think that we need that. I do. I want a choice that piques my interest and makes me excited for what might happen.

Stubbs, for the love of God NO. THRICE NO. I don't want to think of another centre-half. Let's have Weir instead then, oh .... Dream team, Stubbs/Weir. I'm having night-sweats already. Anyone else having a sinking feeling of Kenwrightish scrimping and saving and talking about the Everton family and this choice makes sense, continuity is important ...... "

There's some hope that there are inaccuracies in


Alan Stubbs, David Weir and Duncan Ferguson - all former Everton FC players who are presently part of the backroom team. The Echo claims that the four have held individual talks w


Neville slinking up; crafty. And Freedman too! Fredman!

Roberto Martinez 11/4 - Neil Lennon 7/1 - Gus Poyet 7/1 - Phil Neville 8/1 - Alan Stubbs 9/1 - Dougie Freedman 10/1 - Malky Mackay 10/1 - David Weir 20/1 - Steve Clarke 28/1 - Rafael Benitez 28/1 - Stuart McCall 33/1 - Vitor Pereira 33/1 - Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 33/1 - Mark Hughes 40/1 - Harry Redknapp 40/1 - Michael Laudrup 50/1 - Slaven Bilic 50/1 - Kenny Jackett 50/1 - Duncan Ferguson 50/1

Simon Harris
55 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:37:33
Kenwright would be bonkers to promote from within (he probably will) and whilst I admire and appreciate what Moyes did for Everton, after tomorrow he's gone and shouldn't influence Kenwright's decision.

An untried coach or ex player with no managerial experience would find it difficult to gain the respect of the players and imo is a gamble too far.

I'm starting to warm to Rafa or Martin O'Neill but no one stands out as a natural fit for Everton FC.

Fran Mitchell
56 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:53:22
"Fran Mitchell 255. You say he has invested the money poorly and I cant see it? "

nuudge and whisper....they just got relegated

Fran Mitchell
57 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:54:25
"Valencia, Figeroa, Rodellega etc." whispers 'they were signed by another manager'
Phil Sammon
58 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:41:20
An internal appointment? We have some good coaches, some who may go on and do well as managers. However David Moyes has changed this club. We are no longer looking for a young man who can learn his trade at Everton. We are looking for someone who can take us into Europe and win us a trophy. Believe or not be are an attractive option. The 6th best team in the best league in the world. We pay our managers well. The wage budget is decent and there are valuable assets on the pitch that can be sold if the incoming boss sees fit.

Why are we scratching around looking at Lennon the thug and a guy who has just seen his side relegated? We must improve on Moyes's work, not go backwards.

That said, once the decision is made I will get fully behind whoever is appointed. My only exceptions being Benitez and Hughes. They're not fit to be associated with Everton.

Andy Burke
59 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:58:52
Brendan, 210. Well said.
Lewis Morrison
60 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:29:41
Show some ambition Everton!

Grow some bollocks Kenwright!!

Take advantage of what could be our best and only opportunity to get a young, up and coming, hungry, ambitious manager who plays attacking football but still has the best defensive record in the league, had to sell his best players for the last two seasons and replace them with youth and cheaper rough diamonds but somehow still managed to win back to back league titles (probably), out performing Benfica along the way!

All this for a ludicrous sum of money........£0 as he is out of contract!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vitor Pereira is his name and I believe he is a realistic and the stand out candidate for next Everton manager.

So ffs Kenwright don't let us down (his words) go and get him!

I'd have no problem with Neville, Stubbs, Ferguson on the coaching staff to show him the Everton way but please not in the hot seat.

Moyes has left us in very good shape both on and off the field in football terms. We now need a man who is going to come in and excite the fans and players, unearth a few gems both in the youth and transfer market but most importantly make a name for himself at Everton F.C.

Don't miss the boat......AGAIN!

Mark Pierpoint
61 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:55:58
Apologies for the innaccuracy their Fran, point taken. If Your assumption that he is bad at reinvesting is based upon relegation though then that is surely as inaccurate? Wigan couldn't hold back the tide when they had injuries, nevertheless you surely can't argue that the players I mentioned are bad purchases?

For the record, who would you choose as manager Fran?

Jimmy Sørheim
62 Posted 18/05/2013 at 16:53:28
My biggest worry is getting a manager from within that has no clue on buying the right players to move this club on. This is too important to give permanently to an incompetent newbie. But, I think it would be okay in a TRIAL basis. Though this must only happen if NO OTHER better candidates were found.

So far, you just can not conclude that there are no better options than those from within. Kenwright has to understand that any manager he chooses, the fans have to stand by that choice!! If not then he will have a problem after a short amount of time, when results do not go our way.

Football today is about results. Simple as that. You go after the best manager you can find and nothing less.

Everton is a big club. A top 6 club needs a top European manager in charge.

Kenwright simply has to understand that. I hope this is just the first stage in talks. And that later on we will have talked to others such as Laudrup and Solskjaer...

If Laudrup is not coming then I would like to see Solskjaer in charge. He is the best man for the job. He is a natural winner and has all the right attributes to get far. He is attacking, likes to play nice passing football and likes to find and unearth talent from both within and outside the club, plus he can see if talent is real or not (most of the time).

I think Solskjaer is an improved version of Moyes. He has won 2 league titles in Norway, and he knows English football very well after coaching Man Utd Reserves. He is tipped to take over Man Utd some day, and I agree with that.

Everton would be a step up for him, and he would develop here for many years and do us proud.

Mark Frere
63 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:04:18
Ray Roche 272

I wasn't trying to make a case for Martinez to be our next manager, I was just pointing out that his dealings in the transfer market were actually quite good

Fran Mitchell
64 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:17:26
accidently poseted above in wrong thread (editors!)
Chris Matheson
65 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:16:56
Others have said it but I will repeat:

An internal appointment would simply highlight the paucity of ambition and the paucity of funds of the Kenwright regime.

There is nobody among the backroom staff who has anything like the stature we should be demanding. There is nobody who would excite potential transer targets. There is nobody who would take us to the next level.

The idea that because someone once played for us they would make a great manager is complete tosh. Idon't want a romantic appointment of a gifted amateur, I want someone who will challenge the amateurish approach of the board and compensate for it with a professional approach.

Gavin Ramejkis
66 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:21:49
It was mentioned in another thread and could be above, trying to watch a film so can't be arsed trawling this thread, but if the backroom staff truly were that good then Gollum would be taking them down the M62 with him. If he doesn't then they aren't good enough for us either.
Anthony Jones
67 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:21:32
What a surprise. The control freak ex-Everton manager wants a clone to replace him. Keep the ship steady. Don't criticise the board. Don't ask for a transfer budget. Keep it tight and nick one. Boring boring Everton. Just when I was starting to become excited at the prospect of a Martinez or Poyet type coming in. Bollocks.
Fran Mitchell
69 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:18:58
I believe a manager needs to work with what he's got. So if he sells a star like valencia for 17 million, and his task is to stay in the league, then he should build a squad capable of that. Martinez didn't.

He would have similar (not exact) restraints at everton, and Moyes also had to deal with a fair share if injury crises'. A football team is not about a manager's project, it's about football, and that's about winning games.

For a manager with huge restraints on finances, he should use what he has very carefully (and the MOB would continually cite Bily as a Moyes failure, which is true), the same must be said for Martinez.

While he wouldn't relegate us, I don't think he'd make us perform better. OK, he won an FA cup, but McCleish also got silverware at Birmingham, Redknapp at Pompey yet were they a success?

Under Martinez I see us being a well respected, well done, look how the pass the ball nicely team that Sky Sports and BBC say many nice things about, but we'll finish 10th. I wanna finish 5th,4th,3rd,2nd or 1st (I wanna improve) and I don't think Martinez is a good pick for our job (limited resources, small squad, need to sell best players). Someone lie Pereira I beieve is a better choice.

James Martin
70 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:18:35
For all our worries over an internal candidate being appointed - surely the question that should be asked is if this was going to happen why hasn't it been done yet? Like when Guardiola resigned Vilanova was announced the same day. It would of been the easiest thing in the world for Kenwirght to host some horrible big press conference with Moyes and one of Stubbs/Neville/ Ferguson and bang on about 'continuity', 'previous manager's blessing' blah blah blah. Kenwirght would of received perhaps half a percent (maybe) of credit for acting swiftly, Moyes would have been a shield still for a lot of the flak (which would have been reduced if Moyes was there championing the new appointee), there would be none of these media stories and uncertainties and the new man could even have been on the touch lines ofr the last few games.

If Kenwirght really wanted to do this because he could not be bothered to look elsewhere then he probably would have done it already (unless he's having some massive apprentice style selection interview between Neville Stubbs and Weir - you can imagine them being grilled with questions such as 'I give you enough money for one loan deal on the last day of the transfer window and you only have 3 hours to spend it - who do you get in?') The fact he's at least taking any time over this means he is at least having a think about it which hopefully means he's cast the net a bit further than finch farm. (Of ocurse he could just be waiting until there's no more matches and no opportunity for any fan reaction).

Mike Evans
71 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:36:34
The fact that there isn't even a standout candidate amongst the backroom boys should say it all.

You do not give a club finishing 6th in Premier League to a completely novice manager – it would be a ridiculous thing to do. It would be like saying Everton is some club for them to learn with. Loads of ex-players out there like Keane, Southgate Robson etc who turned out to be rubbish managers – why would we take this chance?

You need to learn your trade as a manager with lower league clubs first... then come to us if you've proved yourself.

David Stuart
72 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:51:47
So, having been pondering and debating who BK is going to choose as successor to DM for what now feels like forever, I’ve started to wonder just how BK is going to choose our next manager.

I think we all imagine that BK is going to decide who he wants (having taken advice from DM and god only knows who else) and hold an interview or two next week sometime. But this morning we wake up to learn that he’s already spoken with the four in-house runners; Stubbs, Pip, Weir, Big Dunc.

Now we’d have to assume that Stubbs will have thrown his hat into the ring after a fairly successful U21’s (reserves) campaign. And having declared a few weeks ago that he wants to play on no-matter how, no-matter where, Pip says that he is now all of a sudden considering retiring from playing – so it’s safe to assume that he’s also thrown his hat into the ring. As for Ferguson and Weir I’m really not sure where they currently see themselves akin to management. So perhaps BK already has four candidates dismissed, or one, two, three, or four ready for a second interview.

I now just wish it was the middle of next week when we should know if not who, then who’s likely. I make it between Roberto Martinez, Alan Stubbs or Phillip Neville. Now there’s an anti-climax.

Clive Lewis
73 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:49:02
It really is immaterial which set of these it might be because eventually they will probably take us into a relegation fight. Great players bar Neville, however it requires knowledge of management etc. I wouldn't be renewing a season ticket with this knowledge.
Ajay Gopal
74 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:27:44
BRILLIANT post, David Stewart (245) – I agree 100%. I hugely admire what David Moyes did for us and recognise his importance in Everton's history. But, he is gone now – he will be worrying about how his new team performs and their results, NOT about Everton.

Everyone (most importantly, BK), please stop this embarrassing fawning over David Moyes. He was an employee – handsomely compensated by Everton, and don't forget Everton were as important to him as he was to us – just get over him, and let us focus on our new manager.

We don't need to "not let David Moyes down" – he means nothing to us after tomorrow. BK needs to do what is best for our club, he doesn't need to please anybody except the fans.

Kevin Hudson
75 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:50:28
Surely the 'interviews,' are for a Number Two position, as none of them have the relevant UEFA pro-licenses or coaching badges, do they?

Or do I have that wrong? Do they, and do they need them to manage a Premier League club?

I'd prefer a new broom approach rather than a 'more-of-the-same/ continuity,' angle; we need to improve rather than simply hold onto our current position.

Alan Ross
76 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:52:12
If this is true and they promote from within then the board and especially Blubbering Bill illustrate what lack of ambition they have. But haven't they already done that during the fat clowns tenure?

More concerned as has been proved time and time again that his dynasty is to be upheld at all costs .....especially if it doesn't cost anything.

Colin Potter
77 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:21:44
Moyes should be told to mind his business. Everton are nothing to do with him anymore Thank God. If it was up to him, he would have us watching the same old dreary shite he tossed up to us season after season.
Mark Rankin
78 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:18:19
I've got a lot of respect for Stubbs, Weir, Sheedy and Big Dunc but if any of them want to manage in the Prem they've got to go earn their stripes elsewhere (same for Neville or Round). The 6th best team in the country needs a manager who's shown the potential to challenge the top four.
Richard Reeves
79 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:38:10
After seeing the press conference yesterday, I'm sure that Moyes's recommendation will be from within; I'm just not sure if Neville would be in that group of people as Moyes might want him at Old Trafford but, if he's not wanted there, you can be sure he'll be at the top of that recommendation list.

I just hope Kenwright ignores Moyes and looks abroad but, seeing as he is infatuated with the man, there's little chance of that happening. Wasn't there a report a few days ago where Moyes said that the club has moved on from where they were when he took over and that the job wouldn't necessarily be right for some up-and-coming manager from the lower leagues or someone without Premier League experience?

At the time, I took that as a nod towards a proven manager, a more recognised name, or maybe someone who has won silverware... or looks like he could win silverware... so I was quite happy with what he said as I believed it was a positive look to the future for us. But now, looking back, it could've been his backroom staff he was hinting at.

It would be a disgrace to appoint anyone without managerial experience at such a large club but I expect it will happen. I can't believe Kenwright hasn't been boo'd out of the stadium by now or that there hasn't been masses of banners calling for him to go. Us Evertonians certainly are different from other supporters; we put up with a lot of crap.

Phil Rodgers
80 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:24:29
I will fucking cry if this happens.
Mark Eaton
81 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:18:40
Spot on Lewis - post 293. Pereira must be the choice with the current back room staff to work with him.

Pereira is out of contract shortly, wants to manage in the Premier League so go get him. If Bill matches Moyes wages then that should hopefully be enough to tempt him (Moyes co-owns a racehorse so he can't be too badly off). So the club wage bill stays the same and the board can be happy with that.

Does anyone know if there is any truth about Pereira being a guest at Goodison over Christmas? Hopefully if he was then some seeds may have been sown??

Ian Pilkington
82 Posted 18/05/2013 at 17:55:10
There are simply no internal candidates (including Phil Neville, imminently out of contract) remotely suitable to take on the role of manager of currently the sixth best team in English football.I am staggered that anyone can seriously think otherwise. Even Colin Harvey, an outstanding second-in-command during our most successful era, struggled as a manager.

I've posted before my view that Moyes should have resigned immediately on signing for Manchester United and should not be consulted regarding a replacement appointment. It's an extremely alarming thought that his favourable comments regarding an internal appointment could be taken up by Kenwright.

Assuming Kenwright won't consider paying up for Laudrup, Martinez and Pereira are far and away the outstanding candidates.

Steve Ferns
83 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:32:37
Can someone please explain to me the merits of Ferguson et al? How can anyone think this would be a good appointment?

Someone mentioned the likes of our successful ex players who won trophies here as manager. The likes of the Cat, Kendall and Royle all went somewhere else first and got their experience at a smaller club before working their way up to the big job. Kendall worked wonders at Blackburn and if he hadn't got the ball rolling in the early 80s would Walker have been in the position to pump millions in 10 years later? It was Kendall who lifted them from tier 3 to tier 2 and had them flying. Royle did well at Oldham, in a job mirroring Martinez, by keeping them in the top flight for years before finally succumbing to relegation and having a great cup run in that final season.

None of the current guys have any experience. Weir and Stubbs appear to have done well coaching so far and Moyes seemed pleased with them. however, they are still learning to be coaches, never mind managers. Neville is further behind them. As for Fergie, he's only just started. How do any of you know that Fergie has the coaching skills, the tactical nous, the vision to see what's happening on the pitch and to make changes? I saw no evidence of that as a player. He said repeatedly that he didn't even like football and that he never watched it. Hardly inspires me as one of the future great mangers and one of footballs great thinkers.

Everton is not some two bit outfit that can just let some ex player come in and have a go. It's not worth the risk. Get in a proper manager and return this club to where it belongs. Sentimentality is no basis for such an appointment.

Jeremy Benson
84 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:44:22
Is it time to bring Alan Irvine back to the club?

At least he has management experience, was a well-regarded number 2, and knows the workings.

Ross Edwards
85 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:45:07
Tell that to our liability of a chairman and our control freak ex manager Steve.
Richard Dodd
86 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:23:36
A friend just rang to say that Stubbs and Round are the only ones of Moyes` support staff with a `full set` of badges. Prem rules state that managers/chief coaches must be ``fully badged`or have 10 years managerial experience. Special dispensation can be applied for in respect of persons who are some way along the relevent courses as long as they are supported by a fully qualified assistant.
That would indicate it will be Neville (a natural leader) with either Stubbs or Round in support.
But don`t discount Martinez yet!
Ross Edwards
87 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:51:27
Now, after Doddy's info, my urge to throw myself headfirst into the Mersey is intensifying. Neville and Round!!!??? Oh God no!
Colin Glassar
88 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:46:58
Why not get Neville, Stubbsy, Weir, Irvine and Round to manage us by committee? That way the great Moyes legacy will continue, there will bo no rocking of the boat, no waves made, no one would be upset, training methods, tactics etc...would remain the same. While we're at it we could get a few ex managers to take over the scouting, cleaning and hospitality duties. I nominate Howard Kendal as head bar man. Let's keep it in house and safe. Oh, and Moyes can stay as chief consultant and honorary president as well.
Steve Ferns
89 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:52:22
What do you mean Jeremy?

"Is it time to bring Alan Irvine back to the club?"

He's been back at Everton for some time. He's in charge of Youth Development. The role he performed at Newcastle before Moyes made him his number 2. He seems to be doing okay there, so leave him be unless a top new manager has a better person for the job.

Jeremy Benson
90 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:54:42
Is he? Ah I lost track of him after preston.

But surely he'd make a good number 2 again?

Sean Allinson
93 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:51:06
Still want to know how you coach an army of ants. I think it's more difficult than it sounds.
Steve Ferns
94 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:56:49
Been here since July 2011. The number 2 surely has to be someone who compliments the skill set of the main guy. Think shankley and Paisley, Clough and Taylor. Or just be someone the Main guy can really work well with, i.e. Kendall and Harvey. I think telling a manager who to have as their number 2 is not a good idea.
Brian Williams
95 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:53:47
I personally think those, which is all of us, who know nothing of the actual day to day working of the club, and know next to nothing of those backroom staff who they're slagging off like they were part of the RS setup or something should lighten up a bit on the insults aimed at them.

I think you're all falling into the media trap of "think big, think foreign."

Continuity, people who already know the workings of the club, who the players already know.... might (and I stress might) just be the best way forward at this time.

The jury's certainly out on most of the list mentioned in the papers etc...

Why don't we just wait and see and remember the people a lot on here are putting down.......you know next to nothing about them, their skills, motivational, tactical or otherwise.

What we do know is that they're Everton, just as much, if not more than, we are!

Kev Shearer
96 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:36:00
Let me explain my reasoning for the Big Dunc and King Kev Sheeds argument for the job...

In an ideal world I wouldnt think twice of appointing these two because of their lack of experience.....

But EFC are not living in an ideal world.
We have no money for transfers or big wages, no new ground proposals, still in debt and no sign of an investor(still!!!)

Therefore, thats why were being linked with unproven managers like Lennon and Poyet.......if we did have the investment and a big bag of money then we would have a higher class of manager showing interest

Also, Moyes has built a decent side over the years, its Moyes style of play and questionable tactics and substitutions that were the problem...all Dunc and Sheeds would have to do is stamp a more attacking authority to the side and tweak the tactics a little..if we can do that then the draws will turn into wins...

If a new manager comes in he will want his own backroom staff, therefore gettin rid of Stubbs, Weir etc....also he will probably dismantle the team and bring in his own players which may not be better than what we already have...

Its too risky because he may get sacked after six months and leave the club in limbo...

We have a good structure to the club already and the players we have are capable, its just the tactical and negativity of Moyes that was the problem so let Dunc and Sheeds address that and be more positive in our play and stop being the premier leagues draw specialists...

Steve Ferns
97 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:14:03
I couldn't disagree with you more Kev, and all you've do is put down your hopes rather than any concrete arguments. The fact of the matter is that Fergie ain't a fully qualified coach. To be the main man he'd need more guile about him. I do not think he ever displayed any of that as a player. He by his own admission didn't even like football or to watch the game.

We need a proper new innovative coach with new ideas, systems and strategies. We need this because of a lack of money. The situation is the opposite of what you said. Only a good manager can take us forward. Fergie would only see us relegated. I doubt many who played with him would want him in charge.

Steve Ferns
98 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:22:08
How can Fergie be more Everton than we are, if we had been in his shoes, we would have never missed training, never been drinking the night before a game, would never have amassed a raft of convictions for assault and would have conducted ourselves much better as captain of this great football club.
Richard Dodd
99 Posted 18/05/2013 at 18:54:55
Colin, you`ve overlooked Big Dunc and Sheeds! And surely a place on the Committee can be found for Sharpy after all the arse-licking he's done in recent times?
Ross Edwards
100 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:30:32
No doubt Sharp will be interviewed for Everton Propaganda Chief. He seems to think that everything is rosy and loves everyone at the club.
Kev Shearer
101 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:30:49
Steve...what you on about?? .....who said Dunc was more blue than us?? ..not me....And whats his previous convictions got to do with the price of fish? That was nearly 20 years ago and he wasn't an Everton player when he headbutted John Sutton... he was a Rangers player!

You're talking nonsense lad!!!

Peter Thistle
102 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:38:45
I'd be suicidal if we end up with Neville as manager. C'mon Kenwright, you can do better than that.
Steve Ferns
103 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:38:36
Brian said about him being as much as a blue as us.

His convictions should rule him out of the job. he has numerous, not just one, he was already on a suspended prison sentence when he headbutted McStay. It shows the measure of the man and he is not someone I want in charge of my club. There will forever be serious questions over his attitude and commitment.

Tony Twist
104 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:35:33
What the hell has it got to do with Moyes? The opposition will be happy, it will be a great opportunity missed. Our Chairman has no ambition.
John Crawley
105 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:42:55
Steve I don't think his convictions should rule him out of the job, people have the ability to learn from their mistakes and move on. I think from what I have heard he has definitely matured and is taking the coaching very seriously. What should rule him out is his lack of experience and a track record; this should rule out the other back room staff as well.
Colin Glassar
106 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:42:41
Is Gordon Lee still alive and the man from Norwich? Surely we can get them in on the act as well. We could change our name to, 'The last of the Trojans'.
P.S. sorry about missing out Big Dunc and Sheeds. My bad.
Steve Ferns
107 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:47:58
John, he may well have matured and learnt, so allow him to be a coach and see what happens. However, he would never be put in a senior management role at a major company, so why should a football club be any different?
Paul Ferry
108 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:48:31
erm Kev (383) Therefore, thats why were being linked with unproven managers like Lennon and Poyet'

'Unproven' hmmmm

So let's go for 'proven' gaffers instead

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you

Ducn/Sheeds

Neither of them have the requisite coaching badges either

Brian Williams
109 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:47:30
Steve Fearns. I didn't specify that Duncan Ferguson was as much an Evertonian as us.
I was generalising about "those" backroom staff who have been getting a slagging on here.
You chose to single him out but I was talking about Weir, Sheedy, Stubbs.
You've missed the point I was making but I can't be arsed making it again........you carry on, you seem to know what we need.
Paul Ferry
110 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:52:32
s Gordon Lee still alive? (4110

Of course, Col, he's the living dead

Kev Shearer
111 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:37:05
Also Steve....

Like I said before....

Its because were in dire straits financially that the likes of Mourinho and Hiddink etc wont touch us.....

Thats why divvys like Lennon, Hughes, Poyet etc are being linked with us...

For example...managers who come to a new club want their own players, its only natural I know...so lets say Lennon is appointed he will bring in half the celtic side...what goods that? Hooper an iguuere are half decent but so would you and I be if we played st johnstone and kilmarnock every week....

My point is...the side consists of quality already..Jags,Baines,Coleman,Fellaini,Mirallas etc....the only thing Moyes got right was assembling a decent team, it was his tactical inability, questionable substitutions and negativity that was his downfall...I think Dunc and Sheeds could address that and have us playing more positive rather than playing for one one draws and hanging on!

An outsider isn't needed, because they will change the infrastructure of backroom staff and playing staff.
We don't need that, we just need tweaking a little on the pitch not a complete overhaul...

John Crawley
112 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:52:47
Steve I agree he needs time to be a coach and see how he matures. With regard to his convictions I am pretty sure that by now they would all be spent therefore he wouldn't have to declare them in any job application (should he be in business and applying for a senior manager's role in a company). So I don't think there is a problem in that regard.
Steve Ferns
113 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:53:49
We can get a great in like Bielsa. He is currently linked to Napoli. It isn't jsut blue tinted glasses telling me we are a bigger side than Napoli. we're a bigger side than his current club too.

Also the advantage of Everton over Athletic Bilbao is that we can sign non-Liverpool players! Bielsa would come in and change everything, but everything needs changing anyway. The current infrastructure has only taken us so far.

If Bielsa is like he's been in the past, he wouldn't be looking at major signings or asking BK for money. He'll be scrutinizing the youth team and, for the first time in years, maybe the best youth academy in the country (more England internationals than any other club) will have a pipeline to the first team again. 6 in the u20 world cup side. I think there's talent there.

I really believe Bielsa could transform the side without making a signing. He would bring his style of football, the high pressing game som many have copied off him, and get us playing energetic, dynamic and exciting football. Did bilbao defend when they played Man Utd last season? No they did not. They got about them and took them apart. Weren't Chilé everyone's favourite other side in World Cup with a similar style of play? And weren't Argentina at their very best in the last 20 years when he was in charge?

Bielsa has never maanged a club as big as us, and BK needs to pick up the phone and persuade El Loco to come to the Premier League. We'd have a sell out every week playing his brand of football, we'd be on sky sports every chance, and we'd start selling shirts around the world, as everyone will start supporting us in the way they supported Keegan's newcastle, only we'd be beamed into more countries than we were in 1992. Bielsa is the man we need.

Alan Ross
114 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:48:13
Big Dunc' could be our interim manager up to the first derby game. Likelyhood he'd be banned from the dugout for the rest of the season after going on to the field and twating rat face for one of his usual horrendous tackles. He'd be an even bigger hero for me if that occured. I still prefer Pereira though.
Colin Glassar
115 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:01:24
Thanks for that Paul. He could be the butler like lurch. You rrrrang?
Brian Waring
116 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:58:57
Fucking hell, I thought the end of Moyes would be the end of an era and a fresh start.If we keep it in house, then it will just be more of the same.

Same old Everton though, I was starting to get excited again, if this happens, it's back down to earth with a bump.

Liam Appleby
117 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:54:43
Would anyone on here take Rafa?

Whatever people's opinions of him... you can't fault him as a manager. My brother mentioned him to me earlier in the season as possible successors for Moyes, but I just laughed at him and told him "never".

Seeing the job that he did at Chelsea, under pretty difficult circumstances... he did pretty well. I'm kind of feeling a bit indifferent now, almost coming round to the idea... he certainly interests me more than promoting a coach from within.

Or will tribalism dictate that we wouldn't go anywhere near him?

I think the biggest deterrent for Rafa would be the lack of transfer funds... but, other than that, I don't think he would think twice about taking the hot seat; after all LFC turned him down twice in recent times. It's not like he owes them anything.

Colin Glassar
118 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:04:26
Steve, Bielsa is a great coach short term. He's also a head case who falls out with everyone. He built great sides in Argentina and at Bilbao but ends up fighting with everyone and ruining his teams. This year Bilbao have been awful.
Mark Frere
119 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:57:06
Kev Shearer 418

Alot of our older players are going to need replacing in the near future. How do you know what Dunc and Sheedy will be like in the transfer market? What experience have they got of building a new team when father time has caught up with most of Moyes's playing staff?

Ross Edwards
120 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:04:53
Get Bielsa in now. Described by Pep as the best manager in the world last year. John Carlin, English journo said this about him: "He has the most cultured library of soccer in the world. His resources are infinite, he is a step ahead of most coaches out there, including Ferguson and van Gaal. The man is serious and there is a high intellectual component in his methods."

This man will be going free in the summer, and we would be mad to let him pass through our fingers. He plays a 3-3-1-3 formation, more exciting than 1 up front. Bilbao destroyed Man Utd in the Europa last year and he could bring a bit of hard work, passion and beautiful football to the Old Lady.
IBWT!!!

Mark Dunford
121 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:50:19
There is no reason to duck considering internal candidates. A number may well be worth interviewing though interesting to note Round isn't among those listed. Suggesting Kenwright lacks ambition for talking to near to hand candidates is nonsense. Saying a Neville appointment would leave you feeling suicidal is ridiculous or evidence of something more serious in the author's life. Perhaps, the author just needs to get out a bit more. Neville has captained the team with intelligence for bulk of his time at Goodison and is clearly an intelligent man with something to offer to whoever employs him next. It may or may not be Everton. However, if it is, we can can be assured that Neville has been chosen as the best suited candidate from a field considered over a period of time by a number of people.

I've an open mind on who the next manager should be but am happy to support a carefully thought out decision. There doesn't seem to be an ideal candidate and there is no need to make an appointment before the middle of June. Pre season isn't until July. In these circumstances, Kenwright should talk to people and it certainly makes sense to take advice from Moyes. Last time round there was real urgency as Walter had guided us to the verge of relegation and Moyes rescued us. There is an opportunity to think carefully now and Kenwright should take it.

Steve Ferns
122 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:12:55
Bilbao have not been great, but to say he always does this is wrong. It's the first time he's ever not had anything but ultra success. Bielsa's problem was that he was unable to give the players the wages they wanted and so all of the players he had made look better than they were before were suddenly leaving. He could not replace any of them due to the fact that Bilbao can only sign Basque players. But despite that, he has built a new side that has again punched above it's weight, based mainly on youth and reserves.

Most of bielsa's teams, including Bilbao last season, would run through a brick wall for him. The whole madman or El Loco thing comes from his animation and intensity when on the touchline, rather than him being some kind of complete raving lunatic. He's not quite right head in the head though, but geniuses often aren't.

There's no doubt about it, he's the manager's manager and the greatest tactician of the last 20 years. Just ask his chief disciple, Pep Guardiola

Kev Shearer
123 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:11:54
Steve... You keep contradicting yourself

Your talking about Duncans reputation as a headcase and then you say you want Bielsa whos an absolute loose cannon and has a fiery temper...

Also, if Duncan was as unprofessional and hotheaded like you say, then why would Moyes have brought him back to the club and appointed him as a youth team coach...

Steve Ferns
124 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:18:09
Esteemed football journalist Jonathon Wilson (and author of the great "inverting the pyramid book) on Bielsa:

http://www.worldsoccer.com/features/tactics-the-genius-of-el-loco

Esteemed BBC south American correspondent on Bielsa:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2012/02/bielsa_bouncing_back_at_bilbao.html

Guardiola on Bielsa:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/may/24/pep-guardiola-marcelo-bielsa-barcelona (note the tone of esteemed journalist Sid Lowe's thoughts on Bielsa)

I could go on all night by the way. This guy is the greatest. Not the greatest we can get, but the greatest. And yes, I really do believe he would come. We are bigger than Napoli.

Steve Ferns
125 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:23:26
How's it a contradiction Kev? One is a convicted thug, the other is a passionate intellectual. No one has ever accused the highly inarticulate Fergson of being an intellectual. There's a few other things he has been accused of, and all whilst playing for us and taking our money.
Andy Crooks
126 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:19:54
To appoint from within will be cheap, safe and cowardly. This is the chance to start again and I fear it will be blown. They are back room staff because they are not good enough or experienced enough to be leaders. The club needs a shake up not the continuity of a regime that wasn't good enough.

To have Moyes advise on the appointment is mind boggling and epitomizes the no mark fool we have as chairman.

Colin Glassar
127 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:19:26
Bielsa would be an interesting choice. His tactics are unorthodox to say the least and his obsession for detail borders on lunacy according to many players. Does he speak English? This could be a big problem as he likes to spend hours talking to each player about exactly what he wants from them. You might say this isn't a problem but Capello, a great coach, could never get his ideas across clearly to the English players and that was always a problem despite having psycho as his interpreter.
Steve Ferns
128 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:26:32
No Colin, he does not. But he does speak far more English than he does Italian. Surely a man of Bielsa's intellect could learn English quite quickly whilst living here.

The guy is said to watch and read a great deal, so he must have some command of English, just I hope, not be fluent.

Ross Edwards
129 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:24:26
We are much bigger than Napoli, Steve, don't worry.

Now, maybe if MK and Lyndon can send a letter to BK demanding Bielsa's appointment immediately. We cannot let this man go to Italy. The Premier League would be better with him. He has worked under financial and geographical constraints for 2 years at Bilbao and has done fantastically well.

IN BIELSA WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!! COME ON BK, LISTEN TO THE FANS!!!!!!!!!!!

Ross Edwards
130 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:28:36
Potchettino can't speak English confidently yet he is doing well. I'm sure Bielsa would learn it anyway.
Steve Ferns
131 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:28:36
That's exactly the point Ross.

Bielsa's ways are cheap. He prefers not to sign players but to bring them through. He would work closely with the youth set-up. He is therefore very affordable and with being out of contract he would require no compensation.

Colin Glassar
132 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:31:26
Ok. I'm convinced, it's Bielsa for me. He's got a proven track record and if he fails bill can get him a job in one of his shows. He is very entertaining both on and off the pitch. The total opposite of Moyes.
Steve Ferns
133 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:32:26
And Pochettino is a Bielsa disciple having learnt everything he knows from playing under the great man. Pochettino is someone else I would like us to consider, if we cannot lure the great man. He's done an interesting job at Saints, and he would be happy to concentrate, like Bielsa, on coaching and training and to leave recruitment to someone else. The person he leaves it to is being shown the door at Southampton and perhaps we can bring them both in as a double act of DoF and Head Coach.
Ross Edwards
134 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:36:09
Steve, if Cortese leaves Soton, Pochettino said he will walk, so we could have Bielsa with Pochettino as number two.
That would be oh God, something to look forward to.
Mark Frere
135 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:32:30
Bielsa would be a fantastic choice in my opinion, but can anyone actually see BK choosing him? Especially with Moyes advising him on who should be the next manager. When we put things in prospective, its really quite depressing
Steve Ferns
136 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:35:19
Glad to have you on board the bandwagon, Colin, by the way, have you seen the training videos I posted on another thread. This is the main reason we cannot get someone in like the 4 touted to be "promoted from within". Football is a much more complex game now, and do you really think the likes of those 4 would be running such complex training drills at Everton. Let alone understand the benefit and to adapt and develop them further. We need a great coach first and foremost. The days of the motivational speaker with tea cups flying around the dressing room are long gone. Football's moved on and to keep up we need someone with the qualifications in the job.
Steve Ferns
137 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:39:38
I agree, Mark. I doubt BK has even heard of him.
Brian Waring
138 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:37:20
Mark (#433) the only reason BK will be looking at one of the backroom staff, it's an easy option, he doesn't have to search around, pay any sort of compo to another club.
Steve Ferns
139 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:41:19
No compo with Bielsa or Peirera Brian ...
Brian Waring
140 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:43:07
I would be happy with either Steve, you have to remember though, we are talking about BK here.
Kev Shearer
141 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:27:27
Your all living in cloud cuckoo land if you think Bielsa is a feasible option..

Yes, hes succesful and articulate but we don't have the resources to tempt him here..

A stadium falling to pieces, no money to play with and having to go cap in hand to Bill asking to empty the penny jar...

This is what im saying...No top class manager would want to be put in that position..therefore Dunc and Sheeds would already know the situation and not demand anything..

We don't need a major overhaul..like I said before we just need the same group of players to play more freely and and have a more positive approach...you don't need a new manager for that..the nucleus of the team and club is in a decent state...just a bit of tinkering tactically will sort that out...

No money or investment=no top class manager..

So give Dunc and Sheeds a chance to alter that as they will have their own ideas...just because they worked under Moyes it doesnt mean they will adopt the same playing style...something tells me Duncan does what he wants and is his own man...call it a hunch!!

Ross Edwards
142 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:44:43
Well, we have to hammer BK by email, phone, petitions, anything and make our opinions heard. Also, we need to gag Moyes and lock him in a cupboard so he can't influence BK in his decision.
Steve Ferns
143 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:47:15
Bielsa doesn't want resources. He wants to be given complete control and will utilize the youth side. Bielsa has no track record of spending money. I have no idea how on earth you could come to that conclusion Kev.
Ross Edwards
144 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:47:05
Kev, he worked under severe geographical and financial constraints at Bilbao. He is out of contract, he would be able to use the money gained from our finishing position, the saved money on Moyes' wages, and the possible Fellaini money. He would like it here as he would be free to bring in whoever he wanted, rather than being reduced to signing Basque players.
He is feasible, and better than Pereira. All we need is to hammer BK by any means possible to get this man in.
Ross Edwards
145 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:50:24
He could only sign Basque players. How restricted is that?
Mark Frere
146 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:50:05
because Kev obviously hasn't read what you've posted Steve.
Steve Ferns
147 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:52:36
And he's headed to Napoli who are still in the financial strife and have less money than us. Plus Italy as a country is heading off the financial cliff and as a result their clubs are all absolutely knackered. He'll get less wages, funds and resources there.
Ross Edwards
148 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:54:58
He'd probably get the boot after 5 games anyway Steve. He would want longevity and a secure tenure to implement his brilliant youth policy, and he will get that at Everton,as BK to his credit is not a sacking type of guy.
Steve Ferns
149 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:59:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMuIbZGIfNY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGQSldOwp-o

Just two of my favourite Bielsa training videos. The guy is so intense!

Kevin Tully
150 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:48:58
If you think Bielsa is a viable option -you can get 945/1 on Betfair!!!

Guy's, we don't do Continental at Everton, we don't do inspirational, throw the rule book out of the window type thinking.

The only way we will ever sign someone like Bielsa, is if we had a burning ambition to take this club to new heights.

Bill is only considering options to keep the club safe. We are a safety first, protect the investment, 40 points on the board club, that's why Moyes is being hailed as some sort of God by BK & pals.

Stop torturing yourselves with all these trailblazing European managers, and start thinking Scottish defenders - you won't be disappointed.

Kev Shearer
151 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:51:50
If Bielsa said to the media that the financial position Everton are in didnt bother him and would take the job regardless then great...id get in the car and pick him up myself....but just seems pie in the sky to me..

Also from what ive seen and heard of him he seems to be a volatile charachter and would kick off with the tea lady if she burnt his cornflakes...

Perreira seems to be a popular choice but isn't he a similar kind of manager in terms of his intelligence and studies of the game?

Ross Edwards
152 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:03:02
That would mean descending into manic depression and irreversible misery and despair Kevin.
Iain Johnston
153 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:37:04
Why do I get the feeling the Club don't want to progress?. Why do I get the feeling they have loved the last eleven years and want another eleven just like them?. We can all understand Man U wanting continuity, what do they need to improve on?. Us on the other hand would do well with an up and coming overseas manager with fresh ideas and tactics.
Romantically I would love to see Ferguson standing in the dug out breathing fire but not yet maybe 4 or 5 years from now after he's learnt more. A post mentioned Colin Harvey. He was a superb number two, Youth team boss, less good as a manager (ok, mitigating circumstances, all the players went to bloody Rangers) point is he was made for the backroom not the limelight. I think Weir and Stubbs are the same. Neville maybe, he was superb in the dug out against Man City.
Neville and Ferguson as No2???. I could live with that I suppose.
Ross Edwards
154 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:04:33
Isn't that what was said about Fergie Kev? He wasn't bad was he?
Christopher Kelly
155 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:01:13
If Phil Neville becomes our coach I won't waste my time watching one more game until BK and him are gone. I promise you that.

I'm so tired of this fucking team. Waste of a fucking decade.

Ross Edwards
156 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:05:44
Iain
So you complain about an unwillingness to progress, then say you wouldn't mind Pip and Dunc? Contradictory to say the least.
Brian Waring
157 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:09:24
If I see any of the backroom staff unveiled as our next manager, I will actually start crying.
John Brennan
158 Posted 18/05/2013 at 19:44:54
Richard post 399.
Do you know, I always saw you as a real gent, but your posts have become somewhat cruder the longer you have been commenting on ToffeeWeb!
Goodness me, sir, have you been on the plonk in the Freshy (never been there, live in the north east), I thought a gentleman of your stature wouldnt have a clue what arse licking was !?
Anyway, back to the real business in hand. I would like Jorge Jesus because I like the way Benfica play football. Does he speak English, and was he the guy in charge of Benfica when they thrashed us a few seasons ago?
If he came, he could bring that eagle with him and at our home games, we could train it to fly over and have a dump on Anfield before kick off. The dump, of course, Richard, would be ejected from its anal passage.
Colin Glassar
159 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:15:33
What if Bielsa came and just bought basque players or scousers?. That would be funny.
Ross Edwards
160 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:17:28
Well he should know John. He's been licking Moyes' for 11 years...
Ross Edwards
161 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:18:49
That would be funny Colin. But hey, some of the players Moyes let go like McManamanamanamanamamanaman would be signed up!
The spelling correct?
Barry Rathbone
162 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:16:43
Found this on Bielsa:

"Marcelo Bielsa may never be forgiven by Argentina fans for crashing out of the 2002 World Cup in the first round.

His Argentine team were considered favorites after winning the CONMEBOL regional qualifiers, but couldn’t get past either England or Sweden in the group stage.

In hindsight, his tactics (once praised) were dubbed too inflexible, predictable and stifling to talented individual players who required freedom to display their talent.

The team showed up to the tournament exhausted, with many players struggling with injuries. The conditioning and preparation for the tournament was brutal, appearing to overwork the players who were already fatigued from their club obligations.

For Bielsa, success is attained through hardwork, obsessive attention to detail and repetition- and each of his carefully designed coaching methods is based on this philosophy."

Coaches stifling the natural ability of players as skilful as the south americans should be beaten with 2x4s - not for uncle Barry.

Ross Edwards
163 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:21:20
well, we can't judge a man on 1 failure Barry. Moyes had many but we didn't lynch him did we?
Iain Johnston
164 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:24:01
Ross, exactly how I feel. I would love to see Bielsa although I'm resigned to the fact BK wont attempt it. Moyes is advising him, Moyes thinks himself perfect now he's got the job he always wanted. I think Pip is the best option from within.
Barry Rathbone
165 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:23:12
Admittedly I know zip about this guy Ross but the words "tortured intellectual" which I read make me fearful.

Footy at it's most effective is simple and fluid - indeed the more I see of teams from 70s and 80s old footage the more I realise how shit todays players are by comparison.

One of the great mistakes of modern coaches is overcoaching footy isn't like american stop start sports where instant explosive strategy from the blackboard works - this guy could of course be the next Wenger but i'm suspicious of people with affectations of which this guy seems to have in spades.

Andy Crooks
166 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:30:02
Kevin # 486, absolutely spot on. The appointment will be uninspired, cheap and will make Everton look devoid of ambition. I don't think there is a hope in hell of an innovative foreign coach. I fully expect to be utterly underwhelmed.
Peter Jones
167 Posted 18/05/2013 at 20:42:09
Martinez, Di Matteo, Favre, Bielsa, Clarke, Pereira, Solksjaer, Benitez.... All these choices and we are actually considering people with no managerial experience because they used to play with Everton and David Moyes is cool with them. The apocalypse is near.
Mike Green
172 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:40:39
Andy #516 and Kevin #486

We had to suffer Thatcher for 11 years then they gave us John Major.

Step forward Phil Neville!

Patrick Murphy
182 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:49:02
If Pip becomes manager we'll have a dark grey away strip with that stinking new badge on it, what's not to like?
As that bloke said in some Spaghetti Western or spoof western , Badges , we don't need no stinking badges.

The grey away strip is only in my imagination because someone mentioned John Major.

Mike Hughes
186 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:42:58
Number 1 choice - Pereira (based on gut instinct, something different and not quite as pie-in-the-sky as others on the list)
Number 2 choice - Phil Neville (based on potentially the best of a bad bunch)

If it was a horse race there'd be 19 lengths between first and second.
By the same analogy, many of the other runners would be non-starters with Mark Hughes already in the knacker's yard.

Ross Edwards
198 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:58:52
Ireland are the last song. Much better than Bonnie was.
Ross Edwards
199 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:59:58
I think 2 or 3.
Mike Green
200 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:57:57
This is far more civilized than arguing about Moyes / BK / Martinez / Benitez. See what a friendly bunch we are really? Until the voting begins that is, then it'll all go tits up again! :S
Mike Hughes
201 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:57:31
WTF? the European song contest?
Kev Johnson
202 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:00:13
I don't fancy Ireland's song much. Horrible.

Ross Edwards
203 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:01:36
well, it stops us being hostile Mike Hughes..
Mike Green
204 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:01:49
Correct Kev - nasty.
Colin Glassar
205 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:59:48
The rs will be voting for miss Norway probably. I'm sticking with Belarus and Finland so far. The Finns by a nose thanks to that lesbian kiss at the end.
I'm still stuck on Italy.
Ross Edwards
206 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:02:19
Oh, the choice... Finland, Belarus, Ukraine or Norway.
Erm, Ukraine for me. She was lovely. Just beats Norway.
Colin Glassar
207 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:02:48
Yessss, Norway at last.
Mike Green
208 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:02:21
Gaultier needs shooting for putting her in that get up - doesn't he know shocking pink is soooooooooo 2011....?
Mark Frere
209 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:01:31
Sod this Eurovision song contest! Iv'e switched over to Babestation
Kev Johnson
210 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:03:24
This is like the TW new manager poll now - except with better looking candidates.
Kev Johnson
211 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:05:06
Colin - enjoy!
Ross Edwards
212 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:03:44
She's lovely isn't she Col? Was it worth the wait?
Oh, Finland, oh goodness me... I'm voting for Finland now.
Colin Glassar
213 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:04:55
Wow, wow and wowwwwwww miss Norway. I'll be right back lads.
Ross Edwards
214 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:05:38
Come on Mark Frere, lovely candidates to vote for here.
Well, we will have nil.
Sid Logan
215 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:42:15
This cannot be happening! How can a club like Everton be considering an appointment from with. All of the existing staff would make great backup staff for a new manager! I can't think of a single club where a manager has been appointed directly from within and made a success of it longer term.
A club like Everton needs someone who has already operated as a manager and moreover achieved success. Anything else, I.e. the appointment of what, in effect, would be an apprentice manager, is guaranteed to ensure we finish mid-table or lower!
If this is how we end up the mistake would be occurred because BK asked DM for his view! BK's infatuation with DM is such that he finds it hard to ignore anything he says and therefore unable to act on his own instincts.
None of us know what will happen but if its true that BK indulged himself by interviewing in house people it would be easy to fear the worst.
On the other hand he could have just been putting them in the picture re his thinking and hoping they will all stay and play a part.
My hope is massively on the latter scenario. Anything else would leave me looking forward to next season as I would a full frontal lobotomy!
Tonight is a night for prayers. I expect to hear something early next week!

John Crawley
216 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:01:56
I still like tuchel but Steve you've got me enthused about this guy so lets all email Bill Kenwright' about this. Steve Fancy drafting an open letter to kenwright with links to various articles, we can all sign up to it and email Bill a copy and demand he gives Bielsa the job. What do you reckon?
Steve Pugh
220 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:15:08
Pep Guardiola - Barcelona.
Mark McDonald
223 Posted 18/05/2013 at 21:59:09
To me, we have 3 options:

1. We appoint another British manager
2. Stick with the Everton tradition and appoint an ex-player
3. We appoint our first continental, foreign manager

All three have merit and pros and cons but I am more and more coming round to Option 3.

Its 2013, our club needs to grow, the world is getting smaller and for the "monetary types" ( I know we do not have much!) lets grow the "Everton brand" across all markets, globally.

Appointing a foreign coach shall make us more appealing to sponsors and attract new players. One of the great things I love about our club is we are a Great British traditional club. We can still hold on to those traditions but also we need to be moving forward.

I do not live in the UK. I left Liverpool in 1993 but even after our Great Years under Kendall, the Everton name globally always came second to the Shite. Well now they are on the decline and it is us who should take the initiative to make our club a truly international name.

Who-ever the new manager is, just like what Ferguson has said about Moyes that the fans need to get behind him, we too need to get behind our new manager. I hope the board is looking 5-10 years ahead and appoints the right man for our Great Club.

Steve Ferns
227 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:15:13
Sorry, been watching the eurovision song contest with the missus, Ukraine gets my vote as well!

As for Bielsa at Argentina, it was hardly a failure. We all remember Beckham's penalty that knocked Argentina out. Argentina love the number 10 and back then they had the superb juan roman riquelhme. However, Bielsa's formation and system can't accommodate such a player. Bielsa likes to attack and his teams are all about fitness and stamina and getting from front to back as quickly as possible. And every player working hard and closing down. This means there's no role for a lazy number 10, even one such as Riquelmhe. The ball needs to be moved as quickly as possible and Bielsa likes to play in the opposition half. It's Beilsa's inability to push Riquelhme out of the side that led to opposition from the River Plate orientated media. It was all highly political from journos who were also fans who were fighting for their man.

Steve Sweeney
229 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:01:18
Whatever happens, Billy Liar will not make any decision in the best interest of Everton Football Club. He will make the appointment based on who will continue to tell everyone who listens what a great /fabulous/wonderful Chairman he is....

AND someone who won't ask any awkward questions like: "Where are all the Lawnmowers we have bought??"
You couldn't make up the way Everton is Run. The only good that will come out of this is that finally the fans might wake up and smell the rotten stench that is Kenwright and his band of Thieves.

Harold Matthews
246 Posted 18/05/2013 at 22:10:39
Sounds like Moyes is feeling guilty about dumping them all on the dole. These guys didn't raise our standards. He did, and now he's gone. The only possible replacement is someone with ambition,drive and knowledge of what it takes to challenge for a high place in this tremendously competitive modern Premiership. Someone with a highly intelligent football brain who is willing to operate on a tight budget.

BK will not bring in a continental . He won't want to rock the boat too much. Martinez must be a hot favourite.

Derek Thomas
273 Posted 19/05/2013 at 00:41:07
Neville and whoever, first question is who will be organ grinder and who will be head set wearer...and just what or who are they listening to on these headsets.

People seem to be basing their view on how Neville ( and anybody else for that matter domestic or foreign ) will shape up on what they have seen in the past, Nevilles case as an average player who got worse as the years progressed, had a knee op, came back to soon, was then really gash and had a mare Vs Wigan...very few really top class players are top class coaches. You're all looking back on what went before and saying that happened so now this will...it was red lastime so it must be black now.

Bill will appoint who he can get away with, we're stuck with it, but until whoever has a go we won't know how they will do, for all we know Neville might as a coach be total football personified.

That goes for anyone from the special one down

Enjoy the last game of the season, go on holiday.

Don't speak to soon, for the wheel's still in spin, and theres no tellin who that it's naming, for the loser now will be later to win.

For the times they are a changin

Ernie Baywood
274 Posted 19/05/2013 at 00:47:18
I can't tell you what Bielsa, or Martinez, or Stubbs (etc) would do. I suspect there's a lot of fantasy on this thread. Bielsa doesn't want transfer funds, BK doesn't want us to progress.

What I do know is that we are currently big news. Our profile is up, we're 6th and being praised for our football, we have some excellent players.

I'd love Bill to stop fawning over Moyes and start saying that its all down to the manager. "Great set of players here - what an opportunity for a new coach!" Might be a start. My gut feel is that a big name will build on our profile and we could finally see transfer links that befit our great club.

At the moment, I get why we've not been sold given the way that Bill is selling the manager's job. It's like he's dating but constantly telling each candidate how great his ex was. "Greatest manager in football" he called him at the awards ceremony. Greatest club, Bill, focus on the club!

Patrick Murphy
275 Posted 19/05/2013 at 02:11:03
I must have been dreaming , I thought this is why we bought Felli in the first place But according to the Mirror -

Fellaini also ­revealed he and Moyes have already hatched a plan to convert him into a deep-lying ­midfielder, something United need.
“I’m happy with my ­season, although I didn’t play in my best position,” said Fellaini. “I’m not a number 10. David Moyes predicts my future as a ­defensive midfielder, but due to a lack of offensive power, he plays me up front.

"In the future I want to play as a six or an eight. From there, I can create danger and score goals.”

Toffees chairman Bill Kenwright is understood to be weighing up the ­credentials of the club’s ­internal candidates to ­succeed Moyes before ­deciding whether to make a move for Roberto Martinez or Malky Mackay.

Both Martinez and Mackay are keen on the job, but Kenwright will first consider the merits of Phil Neville, Steve Round, David Weir and Alan Stubbs.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfers-marouane-fellaini-1896978#ixzz2ThFdjsbO

It gets better and better with each passing moment.


Eric Myles
276 Posted 19/05/2013 at 01:34:26
Steve Ferns "we would have never missed training, never been drinking the night before a game"

Just 2 words

George Best

Jason Heng
277 Posted 19/05/2013 at 02:31:01
An internal promotion would be convenient for Moyes to pluck our gems and dump unwanted Old Trafford players at Goodison, as he and SAF had been doing for a while.
Eric Myles
278 Posted 19/05/2013 at 02:41:42
Steve #421 "maybe the best youth academy in the country (more England internationals than any other club) will have a pipeline to the first team again. 6 in the u20 world cup side."

In the squad of 35 Steve, not in the side.

Eric Myles
279 Posted 19/05/2013 at 02:49:09
Moyes leaves to replace Ferguson.

Ferguson replaces Moyes at Goodison,

It's got a sort of poetic symetry about it,

Tony Draper
282 Posted 19/05/2013 at 08:46:24
"Kenwright vowed at Everton’s end of season awards ceremony last night that Moyes’ work at the club would not be allowed to go to waste, saying of the Scot:

“When he came to me, when we first met on my sofa 11 years ago, he said, ’chairman, you’re not going to go down.’

Are there some words missing from the end of BK's quote ?

Drew O'Neall
283 Posted 19/05/2013 at 08:55:50
'Continuity' in my opinion is NOT what we need.

Moyes team needs to be disassembled, sold and debts repaid.

Everton needs a total rebuild and the financial predicament in which we find ourselves, given BK's reluctance to sell, needs to be dealt with.

Get out the players on high salaries and bring in the best untried youngsters, reduce the wage bill by 15% at least and pay down debt from capital raised.

Continuity means status quo, means heads in the sand, means BK excuses and lies..

I'd rather have; exciting young players on the park, a thriving youth system, a dynamic manager who has to change his tactics and playing personnel and to scheme and think to overcome challenges presented by different teams, 12th place instead of 8th-6th if necessary for a few years, options, a five year plan, light at the end of the tunnel... CONTINUITY - NO THANKS!

Gavin Ramejkis
284 Posted 19/05/2013 at 09:06:17
An internal promotion and Agent Kenshite will have succeeded in making us the most mediocre and likely to fail team in the league. You'll still get the cap doffing clapping seals though, boys pen, blue like us, stomach churning lies and shite of the highest order, he should be chased out of the club and ground.
Kunal Desai
285 Posted 19/05/2013 at 10:22:18
Wish we'd stop discussing Moyes and Neville. After 6pm tonight hopefully both are history in the chapter of EFC football club!
Mark Pierpoint
286 Posted 19/05/2013 at 10:25:19
P Nev has just been congratulated for a great career on twitter and replied 'Thanks Ollie (Holt, journalist) my next career will be even better.... SHIT
Robert Pierpoint
287 Posted 19/05/2013 at 10:33:43
I might be wrong, but surely you need to have reached a certain UEFA license grade in order to be a manager of a Premiership team. I remember the uproar when Southgate didn't- and this was a few years ago. Neville only started doing the coaching badges last year as far as I am aware and I am sure that Ferguson has not completed the full set. Surely this would preclude them from getting the job?
Ross Norman
288 Posted 19/05/2013 at 10:29:21
Which teams have dominated the Champions League over the past couple of seasons?

Barcelona and Bayern Munich.

Who's playing methods were similarly used to obtain that success?

Marcelo Bielsa.

I'm loving that Bielsa is getting more of a mention on these forums, however I'd like us to make more noise on the idea of bringing Bielsa to Goodison in order for the Everton board to get the message. His methods would work perfectly in the Premier League. Bielsa as Everton manager is a dream I'd wish to come to reality.

Phillip Nuttall
289 Posted 19/05/2013 at 12:56:21
A fantastic response to this thread, with a wide variety of opinions from all you fellow blues!

There's a lot of noise in the media at the moment linking Everton with an internal appointment.

Oh dear!

For the last few years many Evertonians have been split down the middle on David Moyes, some fiercely loyal to David Moyes, others couldnt wait to see the back of him.

After we play Chelsea at Stamford Bridge today, the latter of Everton fans will have their wish come true, David Moyes will no longer be our Manager & now we must look to the future.

I must admit, im not thrilled at the prospect of an internal appointment, im not even sure if the four candidates have sat and passed the test for their Uefa A licence.

I would personally like to to see Vitor Pereira as next Everton Manager. His contract at Porto is up at the end of the season, and would not cost anything by the way of compensation. Porto are currently undefeated this season as he looks to claim back to back League titles since being promoted to first team Manager after Andre Villas Boas departed for Chelsea.

I think Everton would do well appointing a continental Manager who will bring different ideas to the club in the way of attacking football, a manager like Pereira would satisfy the majority Evertonians as a positive appointment amd a statement of intent.

Before people criticize Pereira saying anyone could do it with Porto, look in to the fact he had to sell a lot of first team player's and had to promote from the youth team, and still went on to win silverware.

Sound like Everton without the Silverware!

If we do appoint from within, I will get behind him (whoever he is) and supoort him all the way because we're Evertonians amd thats what we do, but we have an opportunity to get a young, highly rated, up and coming manager with Champions League experience who has won trophies, without having to pay compensation.

If we opt to miss this opportunity and promote one of our former defenders, the majority of Evertonians will be deflated and will see it as a lack of ambition.

Lets hope Mr. Kenwright chooses wisely eh!

#Coyb

(Follow me on Twitter @PhillipNuttall)

Phil Martin
291 Posted 19/05/2013 at 15:36:25
Perhaps Kenwright is being respectful to Weir, Stubbs, Ferguson etc by giving them the coutesy of an interview. So that when he appoints an external candidate there cant be any recriminations about overlooking the internal candidates. He at least gave them the opportunity at an interview...or perhaps I'm giving Kenwright too much credit.
Mike Green
292 Posted 19/05/2013 at 15:48:23
Mark #714 - DOUBLE SHIT!!

Neville has just been installed clear 2nd favourite with Hills at 4/1 and 13/5 with 32Red!!!!!!!!! :S

Ged Simpson
293 Posted 19/05/2013 at 15:54:49
Mike - the bookies keep changing their minds on this ome
David Finney
294 Posted 19/05/2013 at 15:55:00
Steve Ferns, I am with you mate. I read your article on him and I am completely sold.

I cannot believe anyone is seriously considering a novice managing the 6th best team in the country. Can you imagine the 6th biggest bank/law firm/supermarket or any other big business doing this so why should football be any different? The only reason I can come up with is sentiment which is never a good basis for any decision.

The internal names may be Blues (some of them) but I have learned long ago that players who are fans are not fans in the same way (once a blue, always a blue). Whilst I am not bothered about Ferguson's criminal record, I am also not convinced that an EFC tattoo is a suitable criteria for getting the job. He only ever played against the RS and the Mancs anyway – he could never lift himself for the other games – so in my mind it's questionable just how much of a Blue he is.

Bjørn-Ivar Pedersen
296 Posted 19/05/2013 at 21:39:40
If BK does not prove to us and the players that his ambitions lays beyond Moyes's abilities, then it will be a very sad, sad day for many people.

If we end up with a manager who creates a massive player bug-out, what is then the point of supporting this club? Okay we will most likely get solvent, yes, because the money we earn from the sale of our best players, we might as well spend on paying off the debt, because most likely the manager created this escape, and cannot attract that kind of players where he will need such a amount of money.

And most likely I will find my self something else to do on the weekends, rather than watching some dreadful ball kickers spending time running around like headless chickens. I have stopped hoping for those managers who have proven themselves, I just hope the man in charge will be able to keep the players and build an attractive attacking team. We have many old guys in the squad that need to be swapped out with younger players who still have their careers ahead of them, rather than behind them.

Andy Parsons
297 Posted 19/05/2013 at 22:49:09
There is absolutely nothing whatsoever to suggest that Duncan Ferguson – our under 15's assistant coach – would make a good Premier League manager of an established top 6 team. Apart from the fact he'd be jumping around on the touchline like an idiot, I don't see what the attraction to his appointment would be to even his loudest advocates. Or maybe it's because he has the same surname as Sir Alex.

Everton need somebody established who could take a top 6 club and push us on. We complain about the lack of ambition from the hierarchy while (some) cheering the notion of just about the most unambitious names I can think of.

Jackie Barry
298 Posted 19/05/2013 at 23:24:46
Well Andy it sounds like it's going to be an internal affair with pip being chosen. Absolute disgrave if it happens and BK will have stooped to new low. You don't take chances like this with Everton FC.
Brian Waring
299 Posted 20/05/2013 at 08:10:46
My redshite brother rang me last night to say that he had heard it's Stubbs that has got the job, with Round staying on has assistant, and Neville taking over the U21's.
Tom Sullivan
300 Posted 20/05/2013 at 09:19:24
Neville into 4/1 second favourite this morning. Wasn't it him who said finishing in the top half for a club like Everton was brilliant? Same attitude as Moyes.... Convince the fans that it's a really a small club with crap players and they will celebrate finishing mid-table.
Jackie Barry
301 Posted 20/05/2013 at 13:50:12
Well if he has got the job then we need to get behind him, however I think it will end up being the wrong one.
Nick Entwistle
302 Posted 20/05/2013 at 13:52:22
I think Neville would deliver the smoothest transition possible... but would just bring more of the same 5th - 7th finishes.

I don't know if the window of opportunity that existed at the start of this season will be there at the next, but Chelsea will have a new boss, Arsenal were close to faltering this season, Spurs may not have Bale - or probably better for us if he stayed so they don't get £50m+ for their transfer kitty, and who knows with City and Liverpool what will happen.

I'd love Pereira just to shake things up, with Neville as assistant.

Kev Johnson
303 Posted 20/05/2013 at 14:02:40
Brian @ 142. Neville to the U21s does make sense, I think he would do a good job there. But as for Stubbs and Round - words fail me. I think I'll give up posting on TW if that is the case. I mean, what would there be to say?
John Ford
304 Posted 20/05/2013 at 14:02:02
Nick, If anyone could give us regular improvement on the 5-7th place record they'd be a football genius. No-one has managed it yet.. outside the money clubs.

The irony with Moyes was his great ability to get a lot out of a cheapo squad over a season, whilst struggling at a tactical level in some big games, and on occasion when it really mattered.

Robin Cannon
305 Posted 20/05/2013 at 14:56:42
I keep experiencing momentary excitement at the idea of an ambitious, imaginative appointment like Pereira or Bielsa. It'd be amazing. Bielsa in particular (with someone like Neville a very appropriate appointment as an assistant manager at that point).

Then I remember that it's us, and it's likely to be an immensely dull and uninspiring appointment that'll disappoint everyone.

Sigh.

Brian Waring
306 Posted 20/05/2013 at 19:09:10
Neville has come out and said he hasn't decided whether he's going to retire yet, he doesn't know if his body is up to still playing football. He said he is going to speak to his family over the next 2 weeks, then go on holiday and then make a decision when he gets back. Hmmmm..............
Ross Edwards
307 Posted 20/05/2013 at 19:51:38
Klinsmannn now second favourite with many bookmakers. 7/1 with Paddy Power.
Ross Edwards
308 Posted 20/05/2013 at 19:51:38
Klinsmannn now second favourite with many bookmakers. 7/1 with Paddy Power.
Jackie Barry
309 Posted 20/05/2013 at 19:54:50
Well if we don't hear anything in the next two weeks then it's obvious we are waiting on a decision by Neville, crikey what has the Everton job become? Now Klinsmann may be good.
Paul Ferry
310 Posted 20/05/2013 at 23:52:39
Out of this bunch:

Roberto Martinez 100/30 - Alan Stubbs 5/1 - Malky Mackay 5/1 - Jurgen Klinsmann 10/1 - Neil Lennon 10/1 - Phil Neville 12/1 - Michael Laudrup 16/1 - Gus Poyet 16/1 - Vitor Pereira 16/1 - Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 20/1 - David Weir 25/1 - Dougie Freedman 25/1

(1) Vitor Pereira
(2) Michael Laudrup
(3) Jurgen Klinsmann
(4) Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
(5) Roberto Martinez

Stubbs - No
Mackay - No
Lennon - No
Neville - No
Weir - No
Freedman - No

Hang on a sec, what's the trend here. I get it.

My top-5 picks were not born in the British Isles. My 5 Nos in the top-10 were all born in the British Isles.

Hmmm, for me at any rate - given the betting leaders and chasing pack that we have - we absolutely must go foreign and not in-house, indoors, internal, inside, cheap, UNIMAGINATIVE

Teary Billy June-3: 'It seemed pretty clear to me and my colleagues on the board that this was an appointment that speaks to the tradition of this great club. David Moyes (rubs eyes) emphasized continuity and the Everton tradition. And you will remember my first interview when I said plainly that we must persist in the Moyes tradition, and yes I immediately inserted Everton tradition, but Evertonians like me who love this club so dearly know what I mean. In the appointment of Alan (Stubbs) and David (Weir) we have continued a great Everton tradition. Continuity is key, key is continuity'

Ciaran Duff
311 Posted 21/05/2013 at 11:26:45
i agree with Jeremy (373) that Alan irvine would make an excellent No. 2. It would also be good to keep PN involved. Still praying for Pereira as No. 1 though
David King
312 Posted 21/05/2013 at 12:07:47
Looks like Subbs then
David King
313 Posted 21/05/2013 at 12:16:59
Stubbs
Karl Masters
314 Posted 21/05/2013 at 12:24:32
I agree Andy Parsons. With all due respect to the player that Duncan Ferguson was when he wasn't injured or suspended, why have some people got a fixation with him becoming our Manager?

No coaching badges, and even if he's a great motivator, which none of us really know as he never even speaks to the public, that will only take you so far.

You might be right, maybe it's because of his surname being shared with old Whiskey nose. In which case, we might as well go for Sarah Ferguson or even MIck Ferguson!

Brian Waring
315 Posted 21/05/2013 at 22:58:12
Stoke City are among several clubs interested in Neville as a player, coach or both, but the plan to leave Everton has been revised since United's sudden move for Moyes. Wigan's Roberto Martínez remains the favourite for the Everton manager's job but Neville, along with fellow internal candidates Alan Stubbs and David Weir, has spoken to Kenwright.

Neville, who is working towards his Uefa pro-licence, said: "It would be a really good job to get. I know there are players who have gone into jobs and failed but I just think I have prepared. I have prepared for the last five seasons and I have got some really nice decisions to make. I am prepared for every eventuality"

Stu Green
316 Posted 22/05/2013 at 01:15:00
Something I came across regards Vitor Pereira http://goo.gl/smw2q

'The Maisfutebol may advance, moreover, that Vítor Pereira started Monday outside the country to listen to what leaders of both clubs had to submit. Clubs are British and the first half of the Premier League table.

Vitor Pereira landed on Tuesday morning at Lisbon Portela, from Heathrow (London) and immediately caught a plane to the city of Porto.'

So.. us, city and chelsea.... or.. just city and chelsea?!

Mark Eaton
317 Posted 22/05/2013 at 08:16:45
Yes Stu - just seen that - cheers for posting.

If true then definitely hoping that it is BK he has gone to have a chat with. Lots of coverage is saying Mourinho-Chelsea, Pelligrini are done deals.

Posted a link to a report alleging Pereira was guest at Goodison over Xmas on the Kevin Ratcliffe thread on Monday. So again am hoping that if there was another meeting earlier this week then it was to draw towards a conclusion to bring Pereira in.

Right, fingers crossed - Porto call a news conference in next couple of days. Pereira announces with regret he is leaving to consider other options.Next week he is announced as the new boss at Goodison - GEDDIN!!!!! We love you BK!!!!!!

Mentioned on Monday that Vitor was 25-1 to be the new manager at Ladbrokes. This morning the best price I can see on Oddschecker is 11-2 with Paddy Power, Coral and Hills are going 5-1. Can't see any prices with Ladbrokes so maybe they are investigating everything very closely now. Reckon if that news conference is called and Pereira and Porto part company then he will go odds on.

Remember never bet more than you can afford to lose. Don't come looking for me if Phil Nev is chosen.

BTW (think this has been mentioned in another thread too) - an ex Stoke Player (Terry Conroy?) summed up Phil perfectly when interviewed for Sky Sports News Yesterday about whether Stoke should appoint him - "he's not got enough experience!"

So for Everton Assistant or coach - yes, manager - remember the Gladiator film Phil "but not yet"

Fingers crossed for Vitor Pereira!!!!!!!!!!

Sam Hoare
318 Posted 22/05/2013 at 09:01:34
The bad news on pereira is that apparently Porto have offered him a contract extension. I really hope we get him. This guy seems to fit the bill in many ways and could also bring one or two of the many talented Porto youngsters.
Stu Green
319 Posted 22/05/2013 at 09:25:54
Yes Mike.. I got 20 quid on at 25/1 (well actually £10 was Murdochs free money :P) .. Shame I didn't manage to hit it when it drifted to 50s, but I won't complain too much if it comes in!
Stu Green
320 Posted 22/05/2013 at 09:28:11
Mark!! Sorry!
Paul Dark
321 Posted 22/05/2013 at 09:29:12
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jurgen-klinsmann-linked-everton-managerial-4000041

Let us all pray this is true. Klin with Dunc - the stuff of dreams.

Mark Eaton
322 Posted 22/05/2013 at 09:45:39
If Pereira is offered a new contract at Porto - will he take it?

He's won the league with Porto 2 years in a row now so may well feel that he wants a new challenge. Porto may again sell players in the summer and he may actually feel that he has more chance of keeping players at Goodison!

Imagine, if you were Fellaini or Baines and Pereira is announced as the new manager. Surely you are more likely to stay.

if the rumours about him coming over to London are true then this must indicate a very high level of interest. If he was angling for a better deal at Porto then surely he would of just let his agent do the talking "Everton, Chelsea etc. want my man blah, blah"

Am also thinking as each hour goes by then the chances of an internal appointment lessen. Think we would know the outcome by now if there were internal interviews for the post. Don't get be wrong I think Round, Neville, Stubbs, Weir, Ferguson could all play a big part in the future, but not as the number 1 yet.

Keeping the "back room" together is what can keep the continuity!

Chris Stephenson
323 Posted 22/05/2013 at 12:52:23
I just saw that on another site Stu...his odds are at 5/2 now in lots of places...

I would be happy with that!

http://www.eatsleepsport.com/everton/pereira-next-everton-boss-claims-1593030.html#.UZyvupyi2qA

Drew Shortis
324 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:07:20
The talk now seems to be of Neville taking over. I'm a bit concerned about this for two reasons. Number one, he is not experienced enough yet for such a big job. I would prefer to see him as an assistant or first team coach or manage a smaller team for a few years and prove himself. Number two, would he be ruthless enough with the existing players when required. I know he was captain and close to Moyes, but could he show his friends the door or give them the hair dryer treatment in the same way an older experienced manager could. Will there be enough separation?
Gavin Ramejkis
325 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:23:11
Neville can't take over as he only has his B badge you need Pro badge, he'd need to take his A and Pro badges within 12 weeks of taking over, not going to happen
Stu Green
326 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:57:19
I thought Southgate got away without one?

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