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Dean Adams
1 Posted 09/03/2014 at 18:02:51
He (Arteta) was my youngest sons favourite player, but yesterday was a show of what footballers have become. I have always thought he was a decent sort, but never again.

As for the game, well money helps but it is not the only factor. RM made more strange subs again. I am begining to remember why I had reservations before he arrived having seen many a Swansea game when he was there.

Maybe next season when he has had a real chance to make the squad his he will show us that he is the real deal. I certainly hope so.

Kunal Desai
2 Posted 09/03/2014 at 18:07:17
Don't agree about Arteta, he was a good servant to us over the years and performed exceptionally well. Arsenal were his new employers three years ago, he doesn't owe Everton anything.

If for example McCarthy turned out to milk tackles from Wigan players and kissed the Everton badge after scoring against them would we as Everton fans care? No. We wouldn't turn around and say he should have shown his former employers a bit more respect.

People need to realise Everton, as it currently stands, is nothing more than a stepping stone for players managers: Arteta, Rooney, Fellaini, Moyes.... If we are looking to point the finger at people then look no closer to home and bullshit Bill and the mugs on the board.

Don't waste time in looking at the antics of Arteta and instead look into the root of Everton's problem now and the foreseeable future.

Peter Jones
3 Posted 09/03/2014 at 18:23:58
I cannot imagine anything more unlikely than McCarthy kissing the badge after scoring unless it is McCarthy scoring. Man of the match? You are joking.
David Flanagan
4 Posted 09/03/2014 at 18:27:48
Couldnt care less what Arteta does. Players should celebrate.

McCarthy MOM is a joke. What does he do apart from run around a lot and play short passes to Distin and Jags or Stones? He has the ability to get forward with and without the ball but always goes safety first. Need him to take charge of a game but just don't see it.

Paul Gladwell
5 Posted 09/03/2014 at 18:29:52
When you see Jonjo Shelvey showing the respect he did last week, a player who spent far less years at the shite than Arteta did it does show him to be an arsehole in my eyes, would his mate Cahill have done it? No chance.
Shane Corcoran
6 Posted 09/03/2014 at 18:38:29
Yeah Arteta went down in my estimation too.

We stupidly put the ball out for him and, although it was a foul, he was well fit to throw a strop about not getting a free when he was supposed to be injured.

Steven Telford
7 Posted 09/03/2014 at 18:42:45
McCarthy MOTM.............. what game where you watching?
Paul Ewer
8 Posted 09/03/2014 at 18:37:48
Think your being harsh. Kissing the badge wasn't good, but he deliberately didn't celebrate when he thought he'd scored the first one. Celebrating after the retake was more about relief. As for the rest, going down easily and whinging at the ref, he was exactly the same when you had him, he's the same every week.
Jimmy Sørheim
9 Posted 09/03/2014 at 18:41:54
We are too nice, handing them the ball like that is a disgrace.
Arteta is an arse.
Raymond Fox
10 Posted 09/03/2014 at 18:41:48
Dean, we are currently 7th in the league with a game in hand over Utd.

We got beaten in the 1/4 final by Arsenal on their turf when the Bookies made us 4/1 underdogs (they don't have any prejudices, they call it as they see it).

We are not exactly doing badly are we?
Not fantastic, we are where we usual are, no better, no worse.

Every time we get beat, many on here with unrealistic expectations throw their toys out of the pram!

As far as Martinez buying the players that he wants, what's he going to buy them with.
You don't think he wants to be buying £6m players do you, he would much rather be shopping for £20m+ players but he's the manager of Everton, so its the bargain basement for him.
If he's lucky!

Dan Brierley
11 Posted 09/03/2014 at 19:14:59
Ray, our 2nd highest EVER signing's best plaudit is 'he covers a lot of ground'. £13 million is hardly bargain basement to be fair. Especially when you consider Leroy Fer was a third of the price, can we honestly say McCarthy is three times better?
Geoff Evans
12 Posted 09/03/2014 at 19:23:31
Raymond 940

So much money to spend to go through the turnstiles. For so much predictability once your inside. It's a wonder people bother.

Nigel Gregson
13 Posted 09/03/2014 at 19:32:48
He was once ours and he isn't anymore. He gives his heart and soul to his current team and he will play to his best against us without cutting corners because he's a damn good professional. This means milking fouls, diving, arguing with the ref - the whole package. If he did anything less, Wenger will probably drop him from playing Everton. Its football - his livelihood and job . He gave his all when with us and left for 4 times more than what he came for. He's now the second best Spaniard I know.

Can we focus now on those who actually wear the Royal Blue instead ?

Raymond Fox
14 Posted 09/03/2014 at 19:36:58
Dan, no £13m is not exactly bargain basement I agree, its more than our average spend on a player though.

Martinez must have known what McCarthy's strengths and weaknesses were, I would expect him to improve his creative play as he matures, but he was no doubt bought for his graft and tackling.

We can argue whether McCarthy is worth £13m or not, I would say yes, but with reservations.

The main point I was attempting to make was that £6m players are that price for a reason.
I don't think the trophy winning clubs are doing much or any shopping in that price band!

Dan Brierley
15 Posted 09/03/2014 at 20:24:56
Of course, Ray. Which is why Moyes bought cheap/young players and made them into superstars. If Martinez truly needs money to compete then he might as well give up now as we don't have the money. He must have known that when he came here? What we need is a shrewd manager able to identify the next Seamus Coleman. Not someone spunking money away on loan signings and unfit players.

His football is a better brand in general, but his transfer policy has been woeful up to now. This has to improve during the close season as our managers must fund the improvement themselves by being clever in the market.

Eric Fogg
17 Posted 09/03/2014 at 20:53:01
Arteta is a cheat. he held his head after he elbowed Barry and looked to see us attacking before he rolled around to get us to put the ball out.

We overpass the ball with no pace or penetration in the final third. We can't expect to win games when we don't try to win games, Arsenal worked harder than us and went down at the slightest of touches to get a free kick. We need to wise up; we are too nice.

Dan McKie
18 Posted 09/03/2014 at 20:57:31
Arteta didn't stop our attack, Baines did like he always does.

As for Arteta, he's theirs now, I couldn't care less what he does after he scores. Even when a player does mute celebrations, you know they are still feeling it.

Dan #944, with you on McCarthy, said it for as long as he has been here. There has been a couple of decent performances from him, but to hear some blues, he only has to tie his boot laces correctly and he is man of the match. He can lose the ball but then get praised massively for winning it straight back, before playing the easiest pass imaginable.

I'm beginning to wonder if Martinez is just very naive, or tactically void. We all slated Moyes for concentrating more on the opposition at times, rather than ourselves, but I wonder if we have gone completely the other way with Martinez? He says it's all about what we do, and that's all very well and good, but how much time does he focus on what they might/can do? Very little it seems. He thinks we just need to turn up, have the ball for a bit longer than they do and hey presto, we win, but if we don't win, then the game and the world is very harsh on us.

Raymond Fox
19 Posted 09/03/2014 at 20:35:54
Dan, Moyes did an excellent job over the years given our finances, but he couldn't bring a trophy back to Goodison.

I like Martinez, even though his explanations are sometimes not what happened, but what he actually wanted to occur.

I apologize for repeating myself (too many threads on basically the same subject) but over the years I think without doubt the PL proves that money can and does buy success!

Without those extra multi millions, we're goosed, history proves it. Hope is all very well, but hoping for the impossible only leads to frustration.

The fact is, that our squad is not as good as your Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool. Spurs, Man Utd and over a season we're likely to finish in our usual 7th-10th spot.

Eric Fogg
20 Posted 09/03/2014 at 21:17:14
Ray,

Do Wigan, Hull or Sheff Utd have the extra multi millions?

Peter O'Connor
21 Posted 09/03/2014 at 21:10:29
Sorry Paul but McCarthy MotM? Had you been drinking a lot when you wrote this article? McCarthy is out of his depth playing for Everton, very weak in the tackle and too many of his mistakes result in goals against us. Fee isn't McCarthy's problem though.

Robles, his positioning for first goal was terrible, Tim would've saved it. Marks for Stones and Distin very harsh. Midfield left gaping holes making it more difficult against a good Arsenal team.

Arteta? No problem with him celebrating his goal but I just don't like the feigning injury.

Under Martinez we are doing a bit better than I thought we would but are playing much more attractive football. He is making mistakes but different ones to those that Moyes made. Great thing this football mullarky, full of different opinions and we all think we are right.

Phil Sammon
22 Posted 09/03/2014 at 21:43:44
Peter 995

Fair enough if you disagree with McCarthy as MotM, but 'Out of his depth playing for Everton'...you say it is all about opinions but on that one you are just plain wrong.

Dick Fearon
23 Posted 09/03/2014 at 21:37:02
Hey Paul, from what I saw on the box your report was spot on, er... except for your MotM.

Being so far from the real deal, I very much appreciate your reports and those from Ken, Michael and Lyndon. Please keep them coming.

Peter O'Connor
24 Posted 09/03/2014 at 21:52:14
Phil

I am entitled to my opinion as much as anyone. I just don't think McCarthy is good enough to play for us, you might think he is, that's fine.

I would be absolutely delighted if he develops into a player that top teams want to buy from us – and we say no.

James Stewart
25 Posted 09/03/2014 at 22:22:48
No way Barry gets a 6. Absolute horrorshow from him
David Hallwood
26 Posted 09/03/2014 at 22:48:53
Another great report, Paul. I think there's an over-reaction about McCarthy, and Jams Stewart's comments (#009) that Barry had a horror show. However IMHO both of them are suffering a dip in form from their high standards of last year and again, IMHO, that is the root cause of our struggles of late.

In the system that we play, the two holding mids are the key to the tempo of the game, and earlier in the season they were controlling midfield. And as they've stuttered, so have we, but to quote the old cliché, form is temporary etc.

All-in-all, I thought that we were evenly matched sides until the penalty, and then we didn't look like we would get back into it – and that's a worrying sign.

Anto Byrne
27 Posted 10/03/2014 at 01:46:47
I think we can see that most of the Moyes era players will have to go as RM builds his foot-balling team.

Distin ball watching, Mirallas a headless chook, Osman over the hill, Pienaar past it. Should have sold Baines. Howard 35 well past his best.

We will now see if RM has the mettle to do the job. Barry looked tired (lazy penalty), McCarthy all huff with no end product. McGeady... WTF?

Top 5? Let's see if they can give it a go.

Peter Barry
28 Posted 10/03/2014 at 03:15:52
Give me an Everton that plays as they do under Martinez, even though we may lose a few, to the Everton that played dull, defensive, percentage dross under TGT any day.
Peter Barry
29 Posted 10/03/2014 at 05:30:50
Arteta always was a 'bit of a twat' its just that when he was 'our' Twat we tended to ignore/forgive him for doing it.
Peter Murray
30 Posted 10/03/2014 at 08:30:23
Arteta, all cool class with us, has become just another tetchy, niggly player, lacking pace. Since he left, he has not demonstrated any empathy with Everton, refusing to acknowledge the appreciation of the fans even when he came back to Goodison for the first time with Arsenal.
Craig Walker
31 Posted 10/03/2014 at 09:02:45
I was really mad at Baines for stopping play. Can you imagine the RS kicking the ball out in that situation? No chance. We are too nice. I'm afraid that the modern game is all about being ruthless and cheats prosper. It wasn't a head injury, the ref didn't stop the game so why kick it out?

Arteta went down in my estimation. He went to Arsenal to win things and they haven't beaten Wigan yet. He didn't show half the commitment or ability at Anfield did he?

I was completely depressed on Saturday afternoon even questioning why we put ourselves through it. We've got a good team who on our day can give anybody a game but we're as far off winning anything as we've been in 19 years. A draw and get them back to Goodison and I would have fancied us. We'd have then faced Wigan in a semi-final. We've blown two great chances in the last two years.

I really don't know what the answer is. We need massive investment and a new ground for starters.

Barry Stevens
32 Posted 10/03/2014 at 09:58:44
Noticed on here and other threads people having moan about McGeady. Every time I've seen him play for us, he's looked a clever player. Always looking for a forward pass or run. Can't see where criticism of his displays for so far are justified.

In the long term I believe he will become a big player for us. The type we like to see at Goodison. Two footed, quick feet, creativity and pop in with a few goals. Isn't that the type of player we've all been calling for on the right midfield slot?

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Rick Tarleton
33 Posted 10/03/2014 at 10:20:58
Dan McKie, well said "He's theirs now", I'd far rather have a player doing his best for the people who pay his wages , than this faux, I will not celebrate ritual, as performed by the Ronaldos and Sturridges of this world.
Raymond Ingram
34 Posted 10/03/2014 at 11:52:15

I went to bed last night, still sick and sore about our cup exit, but woke this morning feeling on top of the world...

Why? Because of the dream I had. In it, I was reading the back page of a Sunday tabloid. It read Roberto Martinez named Manager of the Season after Everton's amazing 11-game winning streak which saw them pip Arsenal for 3rd place. With Liverpool 5th and Spurs 6th, which leaves the Ginger One free to go and play his friendlies in Asia.

Is this reality or did I just have too many pints of Carlsberg???

Steve Pugh
35 Posted 10/03/2014 at 11:50:09
In would like to propose an unwritten rule for ToffeeWeb. When reading someone elses post insert these three words at the start..."In my opinion..."

Everything that we post on here is opinion and if people can remember that there would be a lot less disharmony.

Craig Bellew
36 Posted 10/03/2014 at 14:11:45
Ray 084 - As the adverts go if Carlsberg made dreams they'd possibly be the best dreams..............

Can I ask why your drinking that stuff anyway, it is synonamous with all things RED being emblazoned across thier shirts for as long as I can remember. It also resemebles in taste a very poor mans Chang (which is saying something)

Going off on a tangent a bit there, so I'll get back to ya point. You were dreaming and it wont happen but wishful thinking I think it may be rather than a dream that will become a reality. If it does come off though I will join ya in raising a few cans of that stuff as horrendous as it may be.

Sam Morrison
37 Posted 10/03/2014 at 14:58:33
Not sure why Distin gets such a low mark. Thought he had a good game.

Equally it's a bit early to be writing off McCarthy and surely very early to be giving McGeady such short shrift. The problem McCarthy has is he and Barry are sharing the same job. Unless Barkley finds his form again we have a creative void between those two and attack - through the middle at least. Out on the flanks we have more product but still a frustrating tendency to pause when an early cross might give the opposition something different to think about.

Geoff Evans
38 Posted 11/03/2014 at 12:04:03
Arteta: Not worth wasting column on.
Jon Cox
39 Posted 11/03/2014 at 19:10:48
Dear Santa,

Could you please include for me the following players for the summer transfer pane of glass. Honestly you'll love it you being a secret Blue an all.

Rodriguez and Lallana, along with Ross, and the most exciting and powerful midfielder at this time, as Stephen said, Jonjo Sh.

What a brilliant powerful, driven footballer this guy is. You can just see the attitude he sweats. Weren't we talking about shooting in another thread? Well this guy puts guys like Ozzy and Peanuts to shame.

Get him and the two Southampton lads in I say and make that the core of the team to build around.

Football isn't a sport anymore and as Micheal C said "it's just business Sonny" so it has to be recognized that if you're there for the pose then you should be shipped out. I for one am sick to death of yesterdays passengers.

Do we have a board room and a manager strong enough in character to achieve this goal?

Brian Keating
40 Posted 12/03/2014 at 11:44:03
If people can't see what McCarthy gives in midfield, then I give up.

He does a hell of a lot more than run around and play the ball backwards. He shows for the ball from the centre halves and maintains possession very intelligently in our own half.

He works unbelievably hard off the ball to win back possession and gets forward quickly to support the forward runners.

In the opposition half his job is not to get into the box but support the play just outside the box and maintain possession as the ball is recycled.

My only criticism of him is that he doesn't demand the ball enough, he's a little too passive.

Al Reddish
41 Posted 12/03/2014 at 20:43:38
Anto, you say Martinez needs to get rid of the Moyes players and then you add "We will now see if RM has the mettle to do the job. Barry looked tired (lazy penalty), McCarthy all huff with no end product. McGeady... WTF?" , ironically all Martinez signings. This is not a dig at you but to me highlights where Martinez needs to improve big time. If you add Kone, Alcaraz and Robles to the equation, plus all the loan fees for players we are unlikely to own, it's potentially a worrying sign of things to come as not many of the players he has signed have done much to improve us. Although in the main we are more pleasing on the eye, we still have trouble in the final third, and bottle it in the games that matter. What we need is a nasty bastard and someone who can create.

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