From My Seat: Burnley (H)

Thanks again, Ken, for a match report that no doubt is a true reflection of the game before I watch it.

As for our manager, he really does leave himself wide open for criticism with his post-match comments. "Win ugly at all costs", I heard lots of fans say a few weeks back. Well be careful what you wish for. You can not really expect the team to start playing brilliant football when all season they have failed so successfully.

So onto the Man Utd game, play good and get beat, or play crap and sneak a win or draw. You really canÂ’t bet on anything this team dose.

Only one thing is certain, that is Martinez will say something stupid before and after the game.

We won, a win is a win but you just know before even going to the natch these dayÂ’s that there is never going to be any entertainment watching us.

IÂ’m actually jealous when I watch other clubs on the highlights and their stadiums are rocking, great atmosphere, their team is playing with tempo, verve and passion.

I canÂ’t remember a single home game all season, apart from maybe the Arsenal game, where Goodison has been at its best, even the derby match was subdued and IÂ’m sorry but itÂ’s a result if watching a pre-season style of play, week-in & week-out...

Only Lennon seems capable of playing the game with any kind of pace and drive and even he slowed down in the second half when he got the impression he was the only one who was actually playing with tempo, he tailed off after he teed up McCarthy on a plate only for Macca to miss a sitter.

Lennon has been here for two months yet heÂ’s been arguably one of our best players and bright spots this season, itÂ’s a sad sorry reflection on the rest of the players.

I will simply say that it has to improve entertainment wise next season, you can take and accept these scrappy wins now at the end of an atrocious season, but I really donÂ’t think I could sit through another entire season playing the way we have been.

Another poor boring game, in my opinion, how much longer are we to suffer this kind of football? IÂ’m not convinced in any way, despite this run of points winning, that Martinez should stay, itÂ’s just as bad as itÂ’s been all season and heÂ’s not the man for Everton.

IMO he is letting others take the penalties because our manager is not laying down the law. We as fans need to know why Baines is not the nominated penalty taker if he has proved to be the best around. It seems crazy IMO and if others are missed then there will be an uproar from the fans.

Baines really misses Pienaar as that particular player gives him the confidence to bomb forward. Those two have been our best attacking outlet and with this threat nullified we are almost impotent. Surely another player should be coached to play the Pienaar role as this missing cog shows a lack of recognising the team requirements.Anyway, once again a very good, unbiased report and I just hope that the question on every fans lips regarding Penalties is answered. Let's just hope we raise our game for Man Utd and give the fans a rousing finish to the season (we deserve it).

IÂ’m not saying it was a great game but I would doubt you go to every match? I thought it was one of our more acceptable performances this season and, far from being poor, I thought Baines had a pretty good game.

Perhaps the sunshine influenced my judgement.

Playing a 10-man bottom-of-the-league team at home... but you wouldnÂ’t know it. At times, we looked like the team with 10 men.

What annoys me most is having to buy a season ticket (to date, I’ve deliberately held off) under these conditions. The Manager can’t even make the right call on a penalty taker – and forget the "Baines may have lost confidence" debate!

Next season quite simply will be a wasted season. We will have to wait until it dawns on everyone that we need a new manager and a new philosophy. Football at Everton means you have to be failing catastrophically before a change ensues and we may not reach that stage for some considerable time – God help us!

The same way we donÂ’t practise corners or free kicks.

I thought Barry was outstanding today yet Paul Merson gave him a low score, just goes to show that the pundits donÂ’t actually watch the games.

Also, perhaps Mirallas was lucky not to see red and perhaps another ref would have given them a pen for the Stones handball; however, they are the bottom team with 10 men and they made us look to be idealess in breaking them down until Baines finally started going forward.

I am sad to say that I think you're probably going to be right. I know Martinez will be Everton manager at the start of next season but, if we have a bad start, and I mean by bad start, going into the end of September, struggling for performances or win, the man needs relieving of his duties without hesitation.

We simply canÂ’t allow another season to fester like the current one of malaise.

We cannot get through 90 minutes of football, the second half yesterday and at Swansea backing up what we knew already regarding this.

Martinez and his staff have totally neglected the physical fitness side of things and itÂ’s showing more now after he has had a proper full pre-season. Moyes may have been many things but his teamÂ’s were usually always physically in brilliant condition.

When do we ever bombard a team these days late in the game? They canÂ’t because they are totally fucked and knackered by the hour mark.

But we have witnessed utter dross and played the entire season like we have just been on one big long pre-season tour on a tropical beach. The pace is so slow and pedestrian, saved only recently by the admirable Aaron Lennon (maybe because he hasnÂ’t yet been "slow-coached" by Martinez).

The wins we have had are against teams in low quality; next week and away at Villa Park you will see the results revert to mediocre once more. Anyone who can be pleased with this season clearly has not watched much football.

He is not doing this so he is not fulfilling his job spec. He is not running a cooperative but a sporting business. I will tell my boss on Monday that I felt like doing someone elseÂ’s job for a change, see where that gets me!!

Come on, Mr Martinez – do your job and stop giving meaningless, self-delusional interviews. You are looking like a dithering charlatan. This great club deserves a lot more than you are providing. 1-0 victories against a 10-man bottom team isn’t what we need.

Perhaps Martinez does know what heÂ’s doing and gave the job to Ross in order to boost his gradually increasing confidence and get our main asset back to his very best? Good management in my book unfortunately squandered by Ross not scoring but we are gradually getting back to our best.

Important summer for Roberto to get the three players he thinks he needs to move us on to the way he wants us to play – Lennon; Cleverley; and a left-footed centre-back.

Midfield next year will be McCarthy (Besic), Cleverley (Gibson) and Barkley (Osman / Naismith).

I also hope that he sends Garbutt, Galloway, Pennington and Browning out on loan for a season in the Championship to get them ready for a place in the squad and some game time the following season.

MirallasÂ’s head is all over the place as well, how else do you explain the X-certificate challenge on Boyd and his "chattering" goal celebration.

People are out on the park who just should not be there, and a lack of on and off-field leadership is letting it happen.

Some credit to Martinez for turning things around under all sorts of pressure.

The Manchester United game should be interesting – first real test in a while...

Glad weÂ’ve avoided the dreaded relegation battle and the season will fade away into the memory. YesterdayÂ’s game was a welcome addition to our recent good run.

I still have my doubts about RM; not sure I want to see him spending our dosh in the summer... although it looks likely itÂ’ll happen.

In fact, football this season has been piss-poor, with the special one giving a Moyes-with-a-few-bob anti-football impersonation, the two MancÂ’s playing the worst football IÂ’ve ever seen from them in the EPL era. Arsenal a pale shadow of the Bergkamp/Henry era... I could go on (and on).

Next weekÂ’s game should be a litmus test as to whether we have turned this elusive corner that weÂ’ve been searching for since September.

Back to the game: a 1-0 is and always be a win, with a clean sheet thrown in as a bonus. Excited?.... Nah.

However, there are deficiencies in the squad which he urgently needs to address in the summer: Kone isnÂ’t good enough so a new striker is required; a creative CM is a top priority and has been since Arteta left the club. ItÂ’s crucial that Roberto sorts out two top class performers in those positions. If he does, I think we can have a much better season.

ThereÂ’s no chance of Roberto leaving so we have no option but to get behind him for the new season and hope heÂ’s learned his lessons from this season; not being in Europe should help us as well.

I know you always watch replays of EvertonÂ’s games, just have a look at it again, youÂ’ll see what I mean.

BK is now between a rock and a hard place as to what to do with RM for next season. Not much to play for this season except maybe a good showing against Man Utd next week, but maybe a chance to play some of the benchwarmers in the remaining games.

I believe RM has been an utter failure this season and can only guess that the last season was just a reaction by the team to a new man coming in rather than any great achievement by RM himself. One has to ask: Is he finally turning things around, judging by results of late, or has he just gotten lucky when the league position got desperate?

The return of Stones and the liveliness of Lennon has been a factor but generally they have, as a team still been quite poor. He doesnÂ’t inspire confidence in me for next season and I suppose BK will see how things go for the first couple of months before getting to the end of his tether, if he has one.

He hasn't had a great season by his standards... but who has under this buffoon??

IÂ’ve said before that some on here havenÂ’t played the game in anger and make ignorant comments when they are off their faces.
Have a nice day

We are, of course, all happy that we got 3 points and massively relieved that our chances of being relegated have disappeared. But to expect all those who watched the game and what was a fairly uninspired performance to be shouting from the rooftops demonstrates a detachment from reality.

The comments from supporters after a game have to be seen in the light of performances weÂ’ve witnessed all season and the degree to which weÂ’ve improved since the days when we couldnÂ’t get a win to save our lives.

The answer to the latter point is: not very much. That doesnÂ’t mean we donÂ’t recognise players who have worked hard to try to turn things around and those players who perform every week and, for example, someone like Gareth Barry who was particularly good on Saturday.

Those of us are complaining after SaturdayÂ’s game are looking for signs that there may be hope for next season from seeing improvements in, for example, our tactics, fitness levels, creativity in set pieces and innovative ways to break down a 10 man team determined not to lose etc etc.

The problem is that those who went to the game didnÂ’t exactly see that much to be hopeful about. So please whoever you are, the next time you decide to have a go at those who are not feeling as exhilarated as you obviously are by another 1-goal win, try making the effort to go to every game and then, after each one, come on TW and let us knowhow wonderful you feel!

I think 3 players like Martinez said is not too far off the money. My concern is can he identify the players and get them.

However if you compare this to the 1-0 win over Palace a few weeks ago its quite a transformation. Confidence is coming back; the team is mixing it around with tikka tacka and quick breaks (and most of the scoring chances came from the latter). BarryÂ’s form has come back. Lennon gives us something extra. The defence looked solid (with only two clear chances given away).

I do miss the cleverness of Pienaar/Osman around Baines. As Barry Horne said on the commentary Kone and Barkley kept turning inside for a shot too soon in the move rather than playing it around in triangles to get a clearer opportunity. Also Baines only moved forward once Burnley were down to 10 men and then became a real threat. He has great composure.

So I am fairly upbeat - it was clear which team was mid table and which was at the bottom. Something that was not always obvious a few weeks ago. Hopefully Martinez has managed his way through his first slump by changind things up a bit (which he clearly has) and we can get back to last seasonÂ’s form next season.

It will be back to normal next week and probably at Villa Park too simply because they are needing points and at home too.

More of the same dross snail-paced passing next season.

IÂ’m without doubt on the side of sacking Martinez, based on what I have seen, but also based on the opinions of long-term educated Everton fans.

Martinez will still be here come September and I hope he can prove me wrong. Sadly I donÂ’t think he will.

Oh and just for the record I really do detest the expression, Â’in my opinionÂ’ or abbreviations of it; it is tedious. The very fact you post anything is proof itÂ’s your opinion, so donÂ’t apologise for it!

His shot was heading towards the corner flag so it must be an own goal! DidnÂ’t Steven Naismith have one chalked off for a similar deflection in December?

Or does the panel only assess Premier league games?

Apart from the Belgians though we are really goal shy and I hope that a few other midfielders chip in before this season ends. A great start would be against Man Utd. WouldnÂ’t it be nice to see Barkley nab a wonder goal and Leighton hit a 30-yard free kick past De Gea. That would really get the crowd up for the rest of the season.

I reckon we will finish with 50 plus points.

OK we only scored one, and the penalty thing is a shambles than needs fixing, but apart from that it was a good result against a battling Burnley. Just because theyÂ’re bottom doesnÂ’t mean shit in this league - they beat some good teams this season and have given everyone a run for their money. Even moreso latterly.

I think a lot of Evertonians still live in the past, and think we have some of right to be the best because Â’We are EvertonÂ’ and all that bollocks. Sorry, but thatÂ’s just not reality. WeÂ’re a second-tier team, with third-tier finances and itÂ’s about time a lot of people started to realise that.

We have no divine right to anything, and there are plenty of teams with a rich history in this country that donÂ’t win bloody anything these days either. ItÂ’s not just us and it isnÂ’t 1985 anymore.

What many are asking for and I donÂ’t think that itÂ’s too much to ask is to watch a team go about itÂ’s business in a professional and organised way and with the desire and commitment that we crave. Most of this season has been played out as if it were a rehearsal for the real thing, we donÂ’t pay our money to watch half-hearted performances with sporadic forays into the opponents penalty area. There were signs of a more balanced approach on Saturday and weÂ’ll see if that can be repeated on Sunday against United, then confidence will return to the supporters that we are heading in the right direction.

You are talking about the 20th richest club in the world, still the fourth most successful team in the Premier League with more titles than Man City, Spurs and Chelsea put together with some of the greatest footballers to have lived gracing Goodison.

We should not be putting up with the Kenwright/Martinez bullshit.

At a time when the Premier League is awash with money, we are always scraping the barrel while our accredited Chairman cannot explain why unexplained operating costs rose from ٟ million to over 㿀 million during his watch and the club's debts rose by 㿀 million during his first year of office, a strangely coincidental amount given that it cost 㿀 million to buy JohnsonÂ’s shares.

With the greatest respect, it is supporters who are prepared to put up with this crap that keep us planted in this mode.

We were one of the so called "Super 5" who led the charge to the Premier League when we were level-pegging on titles with Manchester United. 25 years later, we are considered "plucky" little Everton and a lot of fans still put up with this nonsense.

Lennon will do fine, a left-footed centre-back would be good too. That, in my view, bar selling will be the budget gone.

So we will be left with Cleverly for free. Not as bad as some think but it will make for an uninspiring summer. I would settle for your predictions with Austin on top. He is a good striker who would suit us well.

Our chairman accepts 2nd best, our manager is happy with 2nd rate performances every week and so seemingly, are the fans.

We deserve better than the performances and football weÂ’re getting, and we certainly deserve better than this board.

If Martinez was in charge of Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool or City right now and presided over a similar decline heÂ’d have been sacked months ago. Instead our bungling chairman has essentially made him unsackable with that 5-year contract added to the original contract he signed.

ItÂ’s actually amazing that some fans, (not you specifically James) would be happy if we got 10th and be prepared to declare how this was merely a blip and that RM is still the man for the job, Â’they hopeÂ’, Â’he could still come goodÂ’.

Notice that no one can provide a clear case for keeping him for another season despite the mounting evidence against him that this season has provided, other than saying that this is a fluke season and that RM Â’will come goodÂ’, Â’Kenwright gave Moyes time so Martinez deserves it tooÂ’, Â’Moyes did badly in his 2nd season, look what happenedÂ’ Â’The Europa distracted us, now weÂ’re not in it weÂ’ll do betterÂ’.

Just because he is almost certain to get another season it doesnÂ’t mean that we have to accept it. Or this total lack of success. IÂ’m 20 in November. IÂ’ve never seen us win anything, IÂ’ve seen 1 win at Anfield, 1 win at Old Trafford, no wins at Highbury or the Emirates, or Stamford Bridge.

ThatÂ’s probably why IÂ’m more demanding and impatient than the vast majority of you on here. I just want to see us be successful again, challenging. IÂ’m unlikely to ever see us win the league in my lifetime. How depressing is that?

Most of you have watched and enjoyed us winning trophies and enjoy success over several decades. I havenÂ’t and am unlikely to unless the mentality changes at this club because until then we are going nowhere.

IÂ’m not saying that Martinez will win us a trophy, but we will more likely do better in the longer term if we stick with him than rolling the dice on another "messiah" and start the building process all over again.

He has been outperformed by every other manager at Wigan and Swansea only moved up the league after he left so there is evidence that he is not up to the job of managing a club like EFC.

If, after what you have seen this season, you still want to back this manager, you must live in a totally different world than me. Any club with ambition for the top six would have sacked him at Xmas.

Even if we were relegated, Bill wouldnÂ’t sack him.

In any top league in Europe if Martinez took a team from 5th to lower mid table in a year, less than 6 points from the relegation zone like we were, they would have sacked him by now.

Here? No, itÂ’s knee jerk. "DonÂ’t sack him yet, heÂ’ll come good, donÂ’t worry."

Again, I will state we all wanted him to succeed but there is no evidence from his prior managerial positions to his current post that would make me believe he is the right man.

However, trying to produce valid arguments to support Roberto is becoming ever more difficult, even for his most ardent supporters. Mostly those positives arise from what he did in his first six months in the job, but was that down to him or the legacy of the previous manager? – we can’t be sure.

As for what do we expect from ANY Everton manager, well some will want the team to be playing exciting football and accept the odd defeat, while some will want to win every game regardless of the style. I suspect that most will want the team to produce vibrant, committed and competitive performances that produce enough positive results to have us as near to the top six as is possible.

It is not a case of he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. If he did then we would be chanting his name from the terraces. I don’t "hate" him – I’m just disappointed it is not working out like we all wanted it to.

There is always a case to give a manager more time which is what we do. Sometimes though you have to see something is wrong... very wrong... and cut your loses before it is too late.

But of course you along with all anti-Martinez folks dismiss this evidence, since only evidence that supports the point of view will be considered. THAT is the reason that there isnÂ’t any point wasting energy to have rational / objective debate about this.

Joe – there are thousands of posts, that regurgitate the same reasons and number of posts don’t make those arguments any stronger (or weaker). Perhaps if you could point to one or two that make objective, well argued points about why Martinez is not the right man (rather than the feet-stamping rants that I read regularly), I’ll create a longer post supporting him.

Even until early December, when the bad results started, I was in your position: give him time, itÂ’s a small bump, weÂ’ll be fine etc. Then after Southampton, and the crap he came out with after that, I had doubts, then we got beaten comfortably by Hull, went out of the cup, watching him make the same mistakes until I was finally convinced that he had to go.

As performances got worse, where we looked not even a mere shadow of last season, my faith in RM waned and waned. I donÂ’t hate the man, I think heÂ’s a really nice guy and a very articulate pundit, but after the decline weÂ’ve had, from getting European football and 5th last season to looking nervously over our shoulder for 2 months, only 10 wins all season, the tactical mistakes heÂ’s made, and still making, based on this season alone I donÂ’t think he deserves another season.

The beginning of MartinezÂ’s tenure appeared to be exciting and wonderful; his team often but not always produced some very good football and fine victories. However, not every match was a joy to watch. In January 2014, cracks began to appear, which I and a few others ignored as being a blip due to loss of form or injuries to key players.

Another good run of results followed but at Arsenal in the FA Cup we were once again subjected to a poor performance and exited at the Quarter-Final stage when a trophy was their for the taking.

Another rally and good performances put us in poll position to achieve fourth place, but the Palace defeat aided and abetted by some questionable decisions by the manager blew our chances of taking that fourth spot.

Since then up until the last month or so, the team has appeared to be disorganised, lacklustre, lacking shape and failing to win many football matches. Aside from the European games, the majority of the season has been forgettable and one that has produced little excitement or moments of joy.

If that isnÂ’t enough evidence to suggest that Roberto may not be the right man to lead Everton, I wonder what heÂ’ll have to do in order to be questioned by his advocates? I would like Roberto to succeed, as would many, but I canÂ’t ignore the evidence of my own eyes and twelve months of being underwhelmed is enough time for me to think that he may not be the right manager for Everton, but only time will tell whether IÂ’m correct or not.