Howard a doubt for Newcastle

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Tim Howard is carrying a knock and could miss tomorrow's Premier League game against Newcastle United.

According to manager Roberto Martinez, the 36-year-old picked up the injury in training and is a slight doubt for the visit of the Magpies.

Martinez also provided updates on two other injured players, suggesting that Kevin Mirallas has a chance of being fit for the trip to Stoke at the weekend as he recovers from a tendon problem.

Muhamed Besic, meanwhile, will be out for another four weeks with the hamstring injury he sustained against Swansea City recently.  

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Mike Williams
1 Posted 02/02/2016 at 16:26:27
I've had a crap day so far, but that's cheered me up a little! :)
Christy Ring
2 Posted 02/02/2016 at 16:30:18
Not trying to be bad, but hopefully it'll keep him out until the summer.
Russell Smith
3 Posted 02/02/2016 at 16:32:40
Whilst I would not wish injury on any Everton players, this may be a godsend.

New striker and Robles in goal; we will be like a new team.

Dave Bowen
5 Posted 02/02/2016 at 16:46:02
Agree with Russell @ 3. Would never wish an injury on an Everton player, but there’s no need for you to rush back, Tim.
Joe O'Brien
6 Posted 02/02/2016 at 16:47:35
That’s great news. Fancy our chances now. As Russell as said above, wouldn’t wish a injury on anyone, but hopefully it’ll keep him out for a bit. The back four look a lot more comfortable with Robles in goal.
James Marshall
7 Posted 02/02/2016 at 16:49:20
Russell, the new boy can't play until the weekend. He had to be registered by midday yesterday to be eligible.
David Pearl
8 Posted 02/02/2016 at 16:54:32
It should be hoped that any keeper wins you 6+ points per season (not lose you -6). I'm eager to see Robles get his chance, he deserves it.
Anthony Flack
9 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:02:59
Before someone else says it, we should never wish an injury on one of our own, but come on who did it and we can all cheer him on Wednesday...
Brian Cleveland
10 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:06:39
Didn't fall over a "Don't walk on the grass" sign did he?
Brian Cleveland
11 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:07:10
Did he jump or was he pushed?
Harold Matthews
13 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:11:32
Whoever is in goal will be busy.
Russell Smith
14 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:15:35
James (5) I’d missed that one, but at least we can play Robles, which will give whichever back four are picked a bit more confidence. Just hope RM has the balls to leave Stones on the bench and start with Jagielka and Funes Mori. Less cultured but more defensive awareness.
Peter Carpenter
15 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:19:20
Bullshit! The penny has finally dropped (on Tim's foot) and this is the diplomatic way out without RM having to admit he was wrong.
Brent Stephens
16 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:19:53
A tactical injury, Roberto finally seeing the obvious?
Peter Carpenter
17 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:19:58
Or if I am wrong and someone kicked him - buy that man a pint!
Geoff Evans
18 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:20:15
Russell: They say luck comes in two, so hopefully...
Chris Gould
19 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:25:28
I personally believe it's Stones who needs the tactical injury. Howard needs to go in the summer, but Stones is costing us more points at the minute.
Tony J Williams
20 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:27:54
I’ll save all this hilarity until after the game. Robles has a fuck up or two in him as well...
Brian Mahoney
21 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:32:13
Yesssss, feel a lot more confident going into this game now. Presumably he's come out of his box and actually caught a ball then realised he's to far in the air and landed awkwardly.
Don Alexander
22 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:35:52
Just heard Martinez on Talk Sport and he’s somehow even got me on the same wavelength as Adrian Durham. How? By saying we are having an "incredible" season, that’s how. Even Durham ripped into that, rhetorically asking how being in the bottom half of the league and having just been knocked out of a League Cup semi can constitute "incredible" for a club like EVERTON (he stressed it).

He went on to say what almost everyone on here says, the action on the pitch is what matters, period.

Gerard Carey
23 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:35:53
A slight knock!!! So Robles in.

What if Robles plays a blinder tomorrow night, will RM still bring back Tim for Stoke?

Adam Luszniak
24 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:37:12
Chris I think it's very likely Stones will go in the summer, given that he put a transfer request in last time around. I'll be sad to see the back of him as there's an excellent player in there, but we could sure use £50m and as good as Stones is on the ball and 'bringing it out from the back', sometimes you just need a defender.
Teddy Bertin
25 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:38:52
Awful comments to welcome the news of an injury to one of our longest serving players. Sadly I can't help but agree with them.

Time to go Tim before you sour your reputation anymore.

Dennis Ng
26 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:44:13
Adam, who will offer us £50m for Stones after this season? They will be cutting us down at the table. I don’t see him leaving for another season.
Brent Stephens
27 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:44:54
I suspect Tim is being asked to concentrate on preparing the oranges for half time and the bath / showers for full time (bet he can hold on to the soap in the shower).
Barry Johnson
28 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:54:01
I'm not so sure he could even hold on to a bar of soap if asked to do so...
Brian Wilkinson
29 Posted 02/02/2016 at 17:58:12
Sounds like a defendergate scandal, should have a sweep, which defender nobbled Tim.
Ray Roche
30 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:01:06
I think it’s sad that people are on here, glad that a good servant to Everton is injured. Whether or not Howard is no longer considered good enough to be first choice, and that is also my opinion, it’s appalling that fans are wishing him harm.

Martinez picks him, so he plays. Give Martinez stick if you like, but celebrating an injury to a player? Christ on a bike...

Tomos George
31 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:15:11
Ray (#24)

You are right of course and I hope it is a ’convenient’ injury as opposed to a serious one. However, given he is costing us so many points and the manager won’t drop him, any reason why he may not be in the starting line up is cause for optimism, if not celebration.

Colin Glassar
32 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:18:55
Very convenient (face saving?) mishap. Is this the end for Tim Howard?
Joe O'Brien
33 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:21:10

Tim being injured was the only way he was going to be dropped. The reason we are where we are in the league has a lot got to do with him being in goal. He has cost us so many points.

He has been a good servant for us, has being the key word there. He hasn’t been for two years. I don’t wish him a injury but I’m not too upset that he has one either.

Robles deserves his chance.

Jim Scales
34 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:24:15
Ray (#24),

Totally agree. Tim should not be first choice keeper imo, but has it really come to this?

Brian Wilkinson
35 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:25:47
Not wishing him harm Ray, but seems only a injury or sending off will stop Tim being picked, yes its Bobbys fault, we know Bobby will not drop Tim in he league so if it takes a small injury to give Bobby a kick up the arse and give Robles a chance, then could work out for the best ln the long term, a big if, if Robles proves his worth in goal.
Danny O'Neill
36 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:30:23
Great news? Would never wish an injury on a player of any club. Said as a player of my own fairly respectable standard.
Ray Roche
37 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:30:51
Joe, I agree with all of your post, in general, Robles DOES deserve a chance and Howard's best days are behind him, but Martinez picks Howard. And Howard does his best, the fact that his best is no longer good enough is down to Martinez picking him, surely?

It's unfair on Howard that he gets picked and takes the flak from some of the inteligencia who think it's "boss" idea to slag our own keeper off from the St End. I can't see how that will make him play better....

Lyndon Lloyd
38 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:35:50
Russell, James, I think the 12pm registration deadline was for this evening's matches. Niasse isn't eligible because he is waiting on a visa and Seydou Doumbia is in the same boat for Newcastle (although his might come through in time).
James Morgan
39 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:37:13
The most grating thing is that, if Joel saves a penalty, tips a top corner-bound volley round the post, stretches to clear a deflected certain goal with his foot, reacts like a cat to paw away a six-yard header, commands his box and defenders like a hardened veteran Army general, distributes the ball with the accuracy of a Phil Taylor "180", and scores a 93rd minute 25-yard free kick, he will still get replaced by Tim Howard on the weekend.
Peter Howard
40 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:38:30
To quote Oscar Wilde:

'One would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh aloud".

Denis Richardson
41 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:42:22
Wonder if this is a true injury or a handy way for Howard to save face whilst Robles takes his place....

If Howard is off in May, there is zero reason for him to be in the side, injury or no injury.....

Hope Robles has a blinder..

Darren Hind
42 Posted 02/02/2016 at 18:58:42
I'd be delighted if Robles was given a run in the team, He deserves his shot, but I can't get my head around this delight at Howard's injury.

That not just a player injured, it's an Everton player injured. What happens if Robles takes a knock too? Or worse, confirms most people's initial opinion of him?

It's never, not ever, good for one of our players to be injured.

Raymond Fox
43 Posted 02/02/2016 at 19:04:58
I think you're all assuming Robles doesn’t cock up!

I stuck up for the lad when he was being crucified on here for some of his mistakes, by the way.

The lads an okay keeper, but keepers seldom have totally error-free performances.

Paul Mackie
44 Posted 02/02/2016 at 19:07:53
Robles has been elevated to just a notch below Big Nev in the minds of some posters and can apparently single handedly win us the league. Does no-one else remember that he’s actually very ordinary and has a strange aversion to ever catching the ball?

I’m not saying I wouldn’t pick him over Howard at the moment but get a grip people. We’re shite at the back because of Martinez, not because of any one individual and swapping the keeper probably isn’t going to change that.

Don’t even get me started on all the "Oh dear, Tim is injured... tee hee" posts.

Mike Gaynes
45 Posted 02/02/2016 at 19:13:19
This thread makes me want to puke. Cheering an injury to one of our own.

And Robles ain't exactly Navas, folks. Yes, we need a new keeper, and I'm VERY willing to have Joel convince me he's it. So far he hasn't. Not at all.

Danny O'Neill
46 Posted 02/02/2016 at 19:22:38
Let's be clear, most agree Tim's form dictates he should have been dropped a while back.

However let's also be clear, he has served us well and came to us when arguably we were fortunate to attract a keeper of his standing in the game given ours; probably a good the time.

He's an American. Given their background and sporting preferences, he's good (or was good) at hand-ball coordination. It makes them good shot stoppers but arguably they're not best at decision making or command of the box (sterotyping - no disrespect meant US Blues).

Yes Tim has cost us this season but on occasion he has also saved us. Time for him to move on? Yes but with a bit of respect for the service given and some dignity. This reminds me of a similar shameful moment when we hounded Peter Reid out of Goodison. I take pride in being above that despite emotion.

Never ever should any fan want a player to be injured, let alone one of their own.

Gavin Johnson
47 Posted 02/02/2016 at 19:30:54
It says much for Tim Howard's standing this season when my first thought was - Its a manoeuvre to save face for hapless Tim, and the pennies finally dropped and Martinez has had enough.

That's probably my conspiracist thinking but I'd be over the moon if that was the case.

Steve Guy
48 Posted 02/02/2016 at 19:39:23
Oh dear...
Kim Vivian
49 Posted 02/02/2016 at 19:48:01
I'm with the conspiracy theorists on this one. Face saver.
Peter Carpenter
50 Posted 02/02/2016 at 19:48:23
ToffeeWeb, the only fans website that quotes Oscar Wilde (Peter Howard #34).
Peter Carpenter
51 Posted 02/02/2016 at 19:54:45
Mike (39), how can Robles convince you when he’s not given a chance, even though the Number 1 is so obviously (and maybe permanently) out of form? He’s done nothing wrong in the cup games he’s played, kept three clean sheets in a row and was growing in confidence when he was dropped 12 months ago. I can’t see how he can be dismissed as not up to it, he hasn’t had the chance yet.

(If he knocks one into his own net off his arse tomorrow, I will never come on this website again.)

Gavin Johnson
53 Posted 02/02/2016 at 20:18:06
The question of whether Joel can be the long term keeper remains to be seen.

But if we're talking the remainder of this season the question for me, would be. Who do you feel most confident with in goal from set pieces and crosses..Tim Howard or Joel??

There's no contest.

Brian Mahoney
54 Posted 02/02/2016 at 20:19:46
Let's face it, Howard has been a liability for the last 18 months and I for one won't be shedding any tears if he does not play tomorrow. A lot of us want Robles to be given a chance; he may not be the answer but at least give him a run of games.

Then again, look what happened last season: he had a decent little run when Howard was out injured and then, as soon as Tim was fit, he's back in and guess what – we lose the game in the last minute.

Roger Helm
55 Posted 02/02/2016 at 20:21:30
Let’s not go overboard on the not wishing an injury thing. This isn’t presumably a serious or career threatening or even very painful event even non-sportspeople get this sort of thing. It may be annoying for Howard but it is good news for Robles that he may get a little run in the team.
Phil Walling
56 Posted 02/02/2016 at 20:24:35
Some disgusting comments here by people who should know better.

If Tim's injury is anything other than diplomatic, I wish him a speedy recovery.

Tony Draper
57 Posted 02/02/2016 at 20:41:27
I’d very much like for Joel Robles to be given a start against Newcastle. I hope that the concerns regarding Tim's injury are simply that: concerns.

There, see? You can say it without wishing bad fortune upon another player.

Call yerselves Evertonians?

Guy Hastings
58 Posted 02/02/2016 at 20:44:54
Okay - so, give Robles a go for a few games. Most TWs' issues with Howard aside, my jury is very much out with Robles.
Phil Gardner
60 Posted 02/02/2016 at 21:05:40
Ray Roche... have a word with yourself, mate. A footballer on £40k a week is not my idea of a ’loyal club servant’ lad! The minimum wage tea lady, the ball boys, the kids who prod the turf at halftime for nowt, the stewards who work... buckshee – they’re ’loyal club servants’.

Tim Howard does what most of us on here would pay to do, and he’s well rewarded for the same, and he’s friggin awful. ’Servant’, my arse... I don’t see too many Bentley’s parked outside the tradesman’s entrance on Downton Abbey!

Ciaran Duff
62 Posted 02/02/2016 at 21:07:35
People who think that our defensive issues will be solved by replacing Howard with Robles are deluded in my opinion. The issue is with how we play (defensively) as a team.
Mike Hughes
63 Posted 02/02/2016 at 21:13:44
2-0 Leicester.

Stitch that, you filth-bags!

Brian Porter
64 Posted 02/02/2016 at 21:29:04
Someone crocked him on purpose in training? Or is a diplomatic dropping? Either way, it could be a blessing in disguise for our season.
Andy Crooks
65 Posted 02/02/2016 at 21:30:39
No one on this thread has wished Tim Howard injured despite the sanctimonious responses. There are a few who think it might give Robles a run in the side and who can see a silver lining in an injury to an Evertonian.

No Evertonian wants one of ours injured and, whilst I don’t rate Tim now, I’d like him to leave Everton fit, proud, and respected.

Colin Glassar
66 Posted 02/02/2016 at 21:32:47
Get well soon Tim. May is a good month to start some light training.
Mike Hughes
67 Posted 02/02/2016 at 21:36:25
Whoever is in goal had better be on form. That bottom half of the table has tightened up after tonight’s results.

We badly need a WIN.

Kunal Desai
68 Posted 02/02/2016 at 21:46:31
Looking at the table now with Bournemouth and Swansea winning, this game is now huge. Four teams potentially a point behind us. I'd definitely be worried if we don't take all 3 points tomorrow.
Jim Bennings
69 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:01:46
21 points behind!!

There's also a gap opening between us and Southampton now too.

Absolutely MUST WIN tomorrow!!

Danny O'Neill
70 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:06:51
Game in hand, Jim, it's only 18 points!!!!
Patrick Murphy
71 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:11:02
Every game that Everton play is a must win game, it all depends upon how you view things I suppose. If we pick up all 3 points tomorrow and as always in this season’s premier league there is no divine right or guarantee that we will, Everton will be on 32 points a point behind Stoke in 9th place and 2 points behind Southampton in 7th place. Top six is probably out of the question but not impossible if the team get their act together.

Of course if Everton fail to win then we will be stuck in mid-table, but will still have a few points in hand on those in the basement area. Ideally Everton will bag the three points tomorrow evening and keep any lingering doubts about Premier League survival at arms length, be warned though, every point in every game will have to be earned as every other team in the division has something to play for from here until the end of the season.

Jim Hardin
72 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:21:16
Joe, you must be forgetting that Howard has saved this team at least 10 points thus far and only 10 because the offense couldn't score. He has not committed any errors leading to goals per the top stats sites so please tell me the games he cost us points. When doing so leave no Stones unturned. I am confident you will see that he and our defenders and mids, along with our manager's lack of the understanding of defending skills, are responsible for where we are in the league not our GK.

Case in point is that against EPL teams in any competition, Robles has kept how many clean sheets? So, if it isn't Robles, who to some of you is one notch below Cech, who is to blame for the 4 goals conceded, then who? Now take that logic, and apply it to the same people when Howard is in goal.

Jim Bennings
73 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:22:20
I just think Martinez has talked the talk all season about the great squad he has but now and I really do mean NOW, is the time for him to start winning games with this team he has at his disposal.

We are now in February, it's no longer mid-season, it's no longer early days, we are closing in on the business end of the season.

Darren Hind
74 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:31:23
"No one on this thread has wished Tim Howard injured despite the sanctimonious responses."

Specsavers are doing 2-for-1 if you get down there sharpish, Andy @56.

Jamie Crowley
75 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:35:29

IF we win – and God knows this year between John Terry and about 1,000 shite calls and an inability to keep our opponents under almost 2 goals per game – that’s one massive IF(!) – we will be 7 points back of West Ham in 5th.

We have a host of winnable games and play the Hammers on March 5th at home. We’re barely over 2 games back of 5th with 14 games yet to play. Not a bridge too far by any means.

Then again... Christ it just hurts. The hope. It kills you blah, blah, blah. And I don’t mean "hurts" as it literally rips your insides out. It’s just fucking comical the pain.

We can do this... repeat after me... we can do this...

What really pisses me off is that whether it’s 5th or 15th I expected so, so much more.

Keeping the faith.

Howard not in goal will help this endeavor.

Andy Crooks
76 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:38:27
Jim, your defense of Tim is maginificent, you have highlighted everything good that he has done. Also, you have turned the spotlight onto a defensive set up that churns out scapegoats week after week. However, surely you must see that Tim must go with respect and dignity and thanks.
Danny O'Neill
77 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:41:22
Jamie, I'm convinced by your optimism and hope. 5th it is and an FA Cup in front of next season's team photo shoot!!
Tony Abrahams
78 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:47:17
Jim if Howard hasn’t cost us any points then you are definitely The Roberto Martinez of the goalie coaches!!

It’s hard being a keeper though because if Howard gained us two points, by keeping clean sheets at both Man City and Spurs (two out of the top 3 by the way), he only has to fail, by not coming for a corner, like against Liverpool, and it’s back to square one.

Danny O'Neill
79 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:48:07
Agree Andy, but as Jim says, it doesn’t mean people are being "sanctimonious" by highlighting the fact Tim has served the club well... over 10 seasons and 300+ games, not just the last 18 months. I think we all agree it’s been time for him to move on for a while but personally I don’t think he deserves the Peter Reid treatment. And my last sentence isn’t aimed at this thread or forum in particular, just the general treatment of him by a seemingly majority.
Tom Bowers
80 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:51:41
Hopefully Robles won’t be called upon to do a lot as we are expecting that the magician Martinez has worked out a strategy that will enable the outfield players to close people down and make timely tackles.

The Barcodes will have some newbies on view and are desperate for points so let’s not get sucked in like the Swans game.
Danny O'Neill
81 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:52:21
Chelsea (home) and Man City, Tony?
John Graham
82 Posted 02/02/2016 at 22:56:07
One of our own players who's been a great servant to the club over the years and not an ounce of respect. We all know he's not playing well and is probably going to leave in the near future but over the years he has been a very good goalkeeper and saved us many times.

I can't see why everyone wants Robles to replace him. Okay, he's tall and agile. But he can't catch a ball, looks nervous every time the ball comes into the area and doesn't inspire any confidence.

Okay, so Howard is injured so he will get a chance. Let's hope he lives up to all the expectations.
Tony Abrahams
85 Posted 02/02/2016 at 23:05:19
Not sure Danny?
Darren Hind
86 Posted 02/02/2016 at 23:11:48
Is this a good time to point out that the reports says Howard is only a "slight " doubt ?

I'm staying out boozing if he plays and cost us even more points, this place will go into meltdown.

Danny O'Neill
87 Posted 02/02/2016 at 23:16:44
We (not personally) could argue all night; I’m sure Tim has saved as many as he’s royally cocked up and cost us;shin save in Chelsea game at 0-0 before we broke to make it 1-0 then go on to win the game. The outstanding performance against Man City recently. Point being he’s being made a scapegoat.

Yes, I know he’s cost us, but I don’t think he deserves the treatment he’s getting. I would say it's very un-Evertonian, but like I keep referring to, we shamefully hounded Peter Reid out of Goodison too. As someone alluded to earlier regarding Arsenal fans, maybe we’re all as fickle as each other and we aren’t that special.

Mark Andersson
88 Posted 02/02/2016 at 23:29:27
Be careful what you wish for, comes to mind.

I just can’t see us winning, those who think we can’t get sucked into a relegation battle will be worried come this time next week.

Have we won 3 on the bounce this season?

Never realised that Peter Ried was hounded out of Goodison. If that’s the case, I feel a tad embarrassed to be a blue.

Geoff Evans
89 Posted 02/02/2016 at 23:48:49
Ray 26: Well said.
Derek Thomas
90 Posted 02/02/2016 at 23:58:24
Martinez has seen the light and 'Diplomatically' saved two lots of face.

I think a move to Colorado has been agreed in principle. But Tim's pride and the lack of a replacement in the window have put it back to the end of the season.

Not the worse news to hear.

Brian Porter
91 Posted 03/02/2016 at 00:49:28
Anyone noticed that Bournemouth and Chelsea are now just one point behind us.
Brian Porter
92 Posted 03/02/2016 at 00:54:46
John (#71), you’ve obviously been watching a different Joel Robles to the rest of us recently. Confidence? The defence looks calm and settled with him in goal, not panicking every time the ball comes into the box as is the case with Tim. He’s displayed pretty safe hands in his recent games too.
Laurie Hartley
93 Posted 03/02/2016 at 01:38:35
Whether Robles is good enough to replace Tim Howard only time will tell however Robles did two things during the Carlisle game that really impressed me:

He went down at the feet of one of their forwards for a 50/50 ball,on the left hand corner of his 6-yard box, and smothered it with his hands, arms and chest.

He later collected a ball in the box and threw it over the half way line to Lennon who was in space.

This suggests to me he has at least two personal attributes that are, in my view, required for any aspiring Premier League goalkeeper – courage and vision.

There has to be a changing of the guard eventually. Howard, Jagielka, Pienaar (one of my favourites), Osman have all been good servants of the club, but like all of us, time will eventually catch up with them.

My personal view is that Pienaar will be the hardest to replace – good enough to have played with Harvey, Kendall or Ball.

I also think no matter what happens with Tim Howard he has a good future in front of him. He is immensely popular in his home country (for good reason). I think he will play in the MLS and eventually end up as a TV commentator.

James Marshall
94 Posted 03/02/2016 at 01:49:21
I still think people are missing the point – our defensive problems are due to the system, not any one player. Simple fact. Why everyone likes to blame the keeper, or Stones is beyond me.
James Marshall
95 Posted 03/02/2016 at 01:52:05
Lyndon @32 – I think the midday deadline was for all players whether their team was playing Tuesday or Wednesday. It would have been unfair to the teams playing Tuesday if it only applied to them.
Gavin Johnson
96 Posted 03/02/2016 at 02:07:12
James #81 I don't think anyone sees it as black and white as that. Yes, the way the system is set up means we are conceding more than we should. However, by the same token we don't have a keeper who looks very comfortable with the system Martinez likes to play. That is playing it from the back.

Tim Howard's distribution from the back is awful! He's also very weak on crosses. I haven't seen any games where Robles has been bullied onto his line like Howard has on the many occasions where we've conceded from a corner this season.

There's a myriad of factors, James. From what I can see, Robles looks stronger on these problem areas I've pointed out. But yes, we also need to look at defending better as a team.

David Ellis
97 Posted 03/02/2016 at 02:38:55
Yes Gavin spot on.
Dennis Ng
98 Posted 03/02/2016 at 04:16:27
Gavin, I wonder if there are any GKs in the world that would be comfortable under that system.

Fact is, more shots on goal equals more goals, lucky goals, deflections, referee mishaps, we’re inviting mishaps to happen, regardless of how toothless the team is. Blaming the GK or Stones for individual mistakes is one thing, and that requires proper coaching which we’ve still yet to see for 2 years. Saying they are the blame for all our problems is quite like saying we only play with 2 players.

Just as a counter point. Was Howard weak on crosses throughout his career? Or is it a symptom of the current formation and style? I vaguely remember that crosses against us being less of a problem during our good defensive years, not sure if he was stronger but we also had tighter defenses, so suddenly playing a system that attacks our own players’ weakness is suicidal, and that is RM, not Howard.

Get well soon, Howard. I do think it is time for Robles to take over till the end of the season, but hopefully not because RM’s first choice is injured. Howard served us well and deserve to walk away proud.

Mohammed Horoub
99 Posted 03/02/2016 at 06:03:39
Say it ain’t so, Joe...

Newcastle Utd has hit the panic button offering the services of their entire medical staff to get Howard fit for tonight’s game. When told about this Martinez thanked Newcastle for their phenomenal gesture but added that should Howard be unfit he would consider starting with 11 outfield players.

When questioned on his potentially dangerous tactic he replied: "If we have 100% possession then it’s impossible for the opposition to score."

If only that were true Bobby... If only...

Geoff Evans
100 Posted 03/02/2016 at 07:54:16
James: Great post.
Pete Ellingham
101 Posted 03/02/2016 at 09:50:29
This could be the turning point in the season? Robles has a strong game, we score 3 don't concede any! Manager realises he stuck with Howard too long and apologises for being so stubborn!
Mark Gardiner
102 Posted 03/02/2016 at 10:23:47
Let's face it, folks, us Everton fans never have any luck and very little to smile about so I'm betting that he'll overcome the knock and be between the sticks tonight.

Maybe he got injured in training because an ant ran towards him and calamity Tim didn't jump out of the way in time.

Tony Kinsey
103 Posted 03/02/2016 at 10:27:36
Let's not forget that Tim Howard has been our keeper for a good few years and until this season has done a decent job for us. I blame Martinez for not managing the situation and keeping Tim in the team when leaving him out to regain confidence would've been kinder to Tim. By keeping him in the team, Martinez has allowed resentment of Tim's inclusion to fester.

If Tim does leave us in the summer, I would like to thank him for representing us and wish him well. The negative comments on here he doesn’t deserve – they should be reserved for the manager.

Phil Walling
104 Posted 03/02/2016 at 10:41:55
Some of these posts are disgusting. Wishing ill of any Everton player is a disgrace – particularly one who has given such sterling service.

Robles is no Southall and a few on here may have egg on their faces for lobbying so hard for his inclusion. I sometimes wonder just how many of these experts ever go to games or just go along with the cyber warriors!

Preferring one player over another is one thing but to actually rejoice in a player's injury or illness is inhuman. Shame on you!

Ged Simpson
105 Posted 03/02/2016 at 11:07:34
So so right Phil. Too easy to be so cruel online. It is only football after all. Read Publicly Shamed.
Dave Abrahams
106 Posted 03/02/2016 at 16:45:41
Phil (#97), I'm not sure how serious your post is, but anyway quite a lot of fans, me included, want Robles to be given a good run of games. We are not sure whether he has the capability to keep the position but we think he has certainly earned the chance to prove one way or the other if he is good enough – surely you agree he has earned that chance.
Pete Ellingham
107 Posted 03/02/2016 at 16:55:17
Dave (99) totally agree. Robles does deserve more playing time based on his performances and stats compared to Howard recently.

As others have pointed out it isn't Howard's fault that the manager continued to pick him when clearly he was having a dip in form. I Would never wish injury on any Everyon player and I would imagine the vast majority on here feel the same. Anyone making comments suggesting otherwise is probably doing it tongue in cheek.

Phil Walling
108 Posted 03/02/2016 at 17:04:50
Dave, I was totally serious in my remarks about fellow Evertonians wishing ill of Tim Howard and certainly less enthused than many over the inclusion of Robles as his replacement.

As expressed many times, I have grave reservations over the abilities of the Spaniard although I have to admit he looks less of 'an accident waiting to happen' than he has done previously. Perhaps this manager's famed defensive coaching 'skills' has extended to the goalkeeping arts! Let us hope so although, perhaps alone, I retain more confidence in Howard that in 'the young pretender.'

Hardly a ringing endorsement of either player, I grant you.

Dave Abrahams
109 Posted 03/02/2016 at 18:34:24
Phil, maybe he seems to be improving because he is getting more games, the more you play the more you learn, or should do, let’s see if he gets picked more often.
Brian Wilkinson
110 Posted 03/02/2016 at 18:51:54
Robles deserves his chance, it's the only way we will know for sure if he can take over from Howard, some are saying: "Be careful what you wish for"...Well we will never know unless Robles gets an extended runout.

One thing's for sure, loyal servant or not, Tim is out of form and sadly it has taken an injury for Robles to be given a chance; it is now up to Robles to prove his worth.

Even the legend himself, Big Nev, got dropped and loaned out; this has not happened to Tim, he's been selected no matter what and yes that's down to the manager not Tim.

All we want is fairness and Robles given a chance, he may drop a clanger, may be worse than him, but all we have asked is to at least give Robles a chance.

Pete Ellingham
111 Posted 03/02/2016 at 21:55:56
If only I had put £10 on my earlier wish! Oh well... much needed 3 points is more important. :-)

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