Martinez prepared to bear burden of expectation

Yes, you are. You've done it again and again from Day 1.

Now your excuse is you haven't had enough time. You've had 3 seasons. That's more than enough. Now pack your bags.

I think he actually believes it.

He needs someone he respects to sit him down and give him some home truths.

Not sure anybody would get through; Sir Alex maybe, but he wouldn't waste his time on a lost cause.

I'm grasping at straws, but something has to happen now, so we can prepare for next season, not at the end of this season.

Aaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!

Just go away Bobby.

Most outgoing managers come out with this desperate nonsense, it's undignified, almost like begging. There will be more to come from him unfortunately, before he is finally sent packing.

When he gets the bullet from Everton, which I hope is soon, the only way is down for him, and he knows it!!

I need to show......
I'm not someone.....
I am the first to.......
I want us to play....
I believe we should....
I don't need to.....
I need to win.....
I have incredible......
I expect that the......
My job is to win......
I need to take responsibility.....
All I need is time........

(If we only had time , if we only had time )
Maybe another time Senior. Your time is up!!!

Or maybe BK heard it wrong, and Martinez's words were actually "I'll get you into the Championship within 4 years."

Now it's all beginning to make sense...

He's had more than enough time to show us his chops. We supporters, the opposition, the universe, for that matter, have had his tactics figured out for years. I would tell Martinez to take off the blinkers, but it's way too late for that.

It took nearly 4 full seasons for his "philosophy" to be implemented fully at Wigan.... Now they are in League One.

I often wonder what he is like when he's pissed up.

Has got to go... preferably after we draw against Watford

I genuinely fear for us if he stays; the Kenwright phrase "What a manager" after the Chelsea match still haunts me.

Personally, I need to go the opticians. Doesn't mean I am going to any time soon!

The evidence over the past 2 seasons is compelling. Incompetent tactically, unable to manage strong characters in the dressing room, inflexible in his approach and incapable of understanding, never mind learning from his mistakes.

The only thing he had in his favor was the ability to pull the wool over the eyes of the media due to his accessibly/always good for a quote approach. Now he's shot himself in the foot with the local media and he's melting in the spotlight.

Despite the potential millions we now have at our disposal, I fear for our future if this man is given even 10 games in to next season to 'prove' himself. Not only are we likely to lose our better players, but I have zero confidence in his ability to rebuild the core of a squad that now needs replacing. He's had almost 3 seasons, and he's taken us below Tony Pullis's WBA and dependent on a 35-year-old Gareth Barry. What a legacy. Enough is enough, Roberto time to go.

Martinez – the car ain't stopping – a win a Watford today will only slow it down but a win is a must.

The reason this doesn't happen in away games is because the opposition expects themselves to have the lion share of the game by being the home side. The result of this means we now have two teams pushing high up the pitch, and because we mostly have better attacking midfielders / strikers, we will end up winning more games away from home than losing.

So my reckoning means NOTHING is going change if my analysis is correct.

"I'm not someone who is going to come up with excuses."

He regularly makes excuses which he does to protect himself and his lack of awareness is alarming and someone functioning like this you do not want in-charge of a football club.

He doesn't understand himself - let alone Everton!!

"I need to dhow I am the right man."

Is becoming a bit more aware his arse is catching fire.

"I want us to play eye to eye against any club in the country and getting to where I believe we should get. That's not going to happen overnight. But I don't have to sell any smoke. I need to win football games in order for that fans to understand that's the way forward."

He knows we know his way isn't the way forward, but he persists to try to prove his philosophy, which if he doesn't meet will make him feel low emotionally and psychologically so he continues with this crap and act like a tool to meet psychological needs lacking in himself.

I'm a warm and compassionate man, but Roberto you're hopefully on your way, you're doing my head in.

MARTINEZ OUT.

We gave Martinez a chance he's been found out , and now our club is lingering around bottom half of the league with West Brom and the likes, with the squad we've got it's a joke .

A good manager can make average players look good our manager is making our good players look average when is someone at the top gonna do the right thing thanks Bobby but no thanks see ya.

What worries me most is why he's still here?

Off thread for a second, my son has just heard that our 66 World Cup winner, Ray Wilson, has been struck down with Alzheimer's disease. I went through it with my late Mum and can only wish Ray and his family the very best in his fight against this insidious disease. Strange it should come out this week when the best left back we've had since Ray has been publicly castigated and humiliated by our charlatan of a manager who isn't man enough to lace up either Ray's or Leighton's boots.

I still believe that, with a defensive coach along side him, the team can progress with Roberto still in charge!!!

However, at first glance it may be a very rare form of Bullshit.

In a pure form like this it could be an important scientific discovery.

"I need to win football games in order for that fans to understand that's the way forward" tells me he's still intent on sticking to his 'philosophy' and proving that it works rather than recognize where it is failing and adapting each game to the circumstances.

We are looking up the backsides of most clubs.

"All I need is time...", you've had plenty mate and in the past 2 years you should of had us doing better and winning more games!

So give him the benefit on the use of the (Spanish) phrase – even though it's still bullshit.

The other meaning of the phrase, according to street vernacular, is "I don't have to sell any marijuana"

I guess he's open to misinterpretation there. Perhaps he should apologise?

Not only is Martinez a phoney but we're all seeing how much of an evil and spitefull person he can be.

The exit doors are at last opening on Martinez; the quicker he walks through them the better!

He is in this position because of his own intransigence and incessant cup chasing while neglecting the league. Last season it was the Europa League. This season it's the FA Cup.

He insisted upon a possession playing style that was totally unsuited to the players we have. He has not recognised the need to close out games when we were winning leading to losses that should never have happened.

Our players have plainly been lacking fitness for the last two seasons. He has gotten into needless feuds with our best players, Distin, Mirallas, Eto'o, now Baines is the latest. He persisted in picking players whose form was clearly shot. Howard, Kone, Alcaraz, Stones. He's brought in players who are not fit. We all remember the Traore fiasco and now we have Niasse. 㾹.5 million for a player who is nowhere near ready to play Premier League football.

All in all this is not the record of a manager who knows where he is going and how he's going to get there.

He's had three seasons and in modern football that's a long time. Many managers have come and gone in the Premier League in a lot less time than he's had and he knows it. Time to go.

I still say, though, that he only needs to win a handful of games for the noise to dry up. More's the pity!

He's not for excuses then eh...but his only plan seems to be – If it ain't working, add more philosophy until it does... and it will if you give me enough time... and money

forget lose or draw only a win will do; So, what sort of win buys him more time.

Any of any type that gets 3 points?? or anything from 0-1 to 0-8.

For me nothing will or should save him... but I'd take 0-8 just for the laugh-in on the live forum.

Brilliant!

Imagine when you're not on TW, you're hammering box-sets of Little and Large and/or Mike and Bernie Winters.

ps: Do you think James knows how many question-marks a question requires?

He may not deliver the cup or the points this season but, as a fan who saw us win in '70 and the '80s, I just want a trophy and a satisfactory league points total for starters.

I have been a big defender of Martinez but that is wavering. He is feeling the pressure, his comments on Baines were out of order and the results are unsatisfactory. A season is 38 games long. Anything less than top half is not good enough even with a cup. I still hope he delivers both.
Oh, by the way I would stick!

Oh Bobby Bullshit get out of our club!!

Little & Large would be too high brow for my taste and my box sets wont play anymore as I kept licking them.

If you don't mind, I will go back to my red crayon now...

This is the manager doing what all football managers (and for that matter politicians) do and that is to ignore reality and talk about what he must now do and will do!

All done without and acknowledgement or reference to past failings – it is all about what he will now do – and we all know, of course he won't!

In reality I don't suppose we can expect anything else. It's what they do right up to the moment until they're sacked!

I don't know when the board will decide to show Reberto the door. The press and fans are together in questioning Roberto's results. If the board have expectations, sack him now!!!

So, so disappointing. Just when you look like we have found the right man we have the rug pulled from under our feet. The life of an Evertonian.

Another false dawn and another shit manager. Absolutely gutted. Is it ever going to change for us? We have suffered far to long... Let's all hope that the new money man is the beginning of a bright future for the club. God knows we deserve it...

Fuck the School of Science – let's get back to hoofball and never winning fuck all. Two semi-finals is obviously not good enough for a team who've won fuck all for 20 years.

I honestly believe we are only two or three players away from being genuine contenders. Sure Martinez can frustrate you but he is trying to get us playing good footy without fear.

Enough is enough. Time for change.

Martinez Out

BBC Roberto

Had he not come in I think Roberto would still be talking about phenomenal performances and we would be praying it was all going to work out.

But now we've got the money (in theory if nothing else) Martinez knows he needs us more than we need him.

We are 14th and dropping like a stone. Our players look like they've either forgotten how to play or just don't want to anymore. Goodison is flat as a pancake and on the verge of becoming toxic. We've got a diabolical home record where until recently no one wanted to come to our place. Without Lukakus goals we would be down. We cannot keep a clean sheet. We have surrendered great leading positions calamitously. The manager has blamed the fans and is now publicly criticising players for their opinion. Players are starting to want out. Fans are starting to want out. The teams confidence, and ours, is shot.

You've been given time and had your best shot at the big time with your philosophy Roberto but things are getting worse, not better. It might wipe its feet in cup competitions where half of your handful of games to get to a final are against lower league opposition but in the top flight you've illustrated that it simply does not work and a loyal, knowledgeable support don't want to watch it and a decent, capable squad don't want to play it.

It's time for a change the second the FA Cup run is concluded, regardless of whether we win it or not.

And this time, Mr Moshiri, we recruit from the top table, not the second tier.

No – bad as we are on the pitch – Proud To be An Evertonian.

Perhaps Moyes was part of this dumbing down process but, at least in his time, we used to think 'seventhish' was the norm. You and your ilk have been well conditioned to mediocrity and, pompously, I forgive you for that's about all we can ever expect under this rotten regime.

Like his predecessor, Martinez is just another tool of the sick-making poseur who has called the shots for so many years. Until that boil is lanced, the pain will continue. I just hope our new investor realises he's been had!

He went on to say Everton fans have no more right to win things just because they did years ago. 'Great manager, top, top chairman who runs the club properly – never gets relegated, young team, great old stadium, no right to think they should win all home matches, bla, bla, bla'

So now we know, we'll all have to behave ourselves!

So last night on MotD after the game, Lineker says RM is under a bit of pressure it seems. To which Danny Murphy says I like watching Everton( being a red I bet you do) and goes on to say I don't think its that bad after all they have got to 2 semi finals. Thank heavens at least Keown said that we are underperforming.

Now Strachan thinks we have a top manager and a top chairman. Now there is a surprise another useless manager supporting another one.

Mind I should have known its only plucky Everton they are talking about, the fans should be grateful that they don't support Villa or Newcastle. So I will purchase my season ticket next week as will my 2 Sons and my Grandson, but FM please don't view that as a vote of confidence in RM.

I am buying it because that's what I have done for 47 years, and have been going to Goodison since 1956. But in all the years I have supported the club I have never ever felt this empty about my club. I am going to Wembley and if you gave me the option that lose and you get rid of RM, then for the first time in my life I would want them to lose.

I wonder if Niasse is eligible to play for Scotland? Strach would obviously be happy with a guy who has a wrist injury permanently on the bench; the league's top scorer has a wrist injury too, and I remember a certain Kev Richardson playing out of his skin with a wrist in plaster.

Talking of the 3 highest goalscorers in the Prem: one plays for the top club, another plays for the only other side with a chance of unseating them, and the other.... plays for a side just above the relegation places. How can this be? Oh that's right, it's the fan's fault for holding up a banner and ruining the club's phenomenal last 8 games of a phenomenal season.

Mr Strachan, put your hand up your backside and pull yourself together, or get out of the studio and start doing your day job properly.

These blokes are on millions, they get handsome payouts for failure and are then paraded on MotD soon after to help put themselves in the shop window for the next seat on the merry-go-round.

My heart bleeds.

I don't think any club in the country would have put up with this slide without reacting? Trust us to be the only one that does!

I have more silverware in my kitchen drawer than that clown ever won as a manager!

If all of us want the same thing, it's time to put pressure on Billy Liar. Sadly I think Martinez will ride out the storm, because of Billy Boy.

He will be starting the new season with a relatively new team as there will be a mass clearout. This will be his excuse as he will simply say the team needs time to gel. Relegation next season is a reality.

The new half-owner has bought into a mess from top to bottom. He may just get his money back from the sale of Rom and Stones, cash in and withdraw.

I am sure the Wigan fans said the same thing about five season ago and stuck with him another season, which not coincidentally, is the last season Wigan were in the EPL