Howard: Blame the players not Martinez

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Tim Howard has become the latest player to come out and claim that Everton's poor record this season has been down to the players, not manager Roberto Martinez.

A group of supporters commissioned a plane to fly a banner reading "Time to Go Roberto" over the ground during Saturday's match with Bournemouth and then stayed behind in the Goodison Park stands to protest the Catalan's continuing tenure despite a second successive season of under-performance.

Howard, who made his first start since losing his place to Joel Robles earlier this year as he says farewell to the Blues ahead of his summer move to Colorado Rapids, insists, however, that supporters' ire needs to be directed at the players.

"Everyone talks about the manager but he hasn't kicked one ball this season," the 36-year-old said in the Liverpool Echo.

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"It is down to us as players. We are the ones who have to be resilient and dig in. If that hasn't been good enough, fair dos.

"We have to take that on the chin. The table doesn't lie.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion so I don't want to comment on planes and banners but we have to kick the ball, try to save it, try to score.

"Whatever happens on the outside is where the game has gone, whether that is right or wrong people have a right to voice their opinion and that is what people do.

"Every manager needs to be given time." the American continued. "People can't have it both ways. Often you get everyone outside of a club talking about players who are not loyal but it works the other way too.

"People need to be given time when they come to a club – players, managers, the board, it is no different."


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Colin Glassar
1 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:01:12
Hats off to Bill and Bob, they are doing a magnificent job of trying to defend themselves through proxies. Who will they wheel out next?
Mike Hughes
2 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:06:52
Every morning, a new headline on TW, each one increasingly desperate.

At the business end of the season, RM et al are defending the indefensible. But we're progressing apparently.

Ian Robert
3 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:08:43
Loyalty?? so Real Madrid come knocking for the manager and he would obviously say "No...I must stay and win silverware with Everton"....yeah right!
Allan Board
4 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:18:16
Colin Glassar – absolutely nailed it there. Talk about two fingers up to the fans.

Also, fuck off, Howard, with your cosy little retirement package (arranged by Bill and Bob) under your arm – just be sure not to drop it, as is the norm with you!

Tony Draper
5 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:20:00
But, dear Tim, Roberto picks the team, sets out the game plan for the team and decides how the team (from which the team is selected) is trained. Or had you not noticed that amongst the hours and hours of endless waffle ?

(I'm seeing Denis Waterman, as portrayed in "Little Britain", now thanks Tim).

Darren Hind
6 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:28:26
Ok spoonfeet lets start with you.

Actually it doesnt work. . . . Sure You have been utterly useless for two years, but you didnt pick yourself did you ? . . or did you?

Ray Smith
7 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:37:37
Darren 6#

I think he did believe he was a dead certain to play, regardless of his ever increasing bad form.

Tim was good in the past, but his sell by date came and went 2 seasons ago.

I wish him well, however, some of Roberto's deluded influence has rubbed off.

Perhaps he's rehearsing his excuses for when he becomes a manager in the future. He's had a good teacher.

I was going to say, "you've got to laugh", but it's not even funny.

Kevin Elliott
8 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:54:14
Thank god you're not with us after the end of the season Timmy.
One less thing to worry about.
Joe Foster
9 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:56:14
Tomorrow's headline: "Bill and Bob have a séance. Dixie Dean came back and says it's not Roberto's fault but the fans."

You heard it here first.

Mark Burton
10 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:06:10
Leicester City Tim. Good manager good results. Everton Tim. Bad manager bad results. It takes a manager to motivate a team and your best friend Roberto does not cut it. So both of you can piss off now.
Anthony Birt
11 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:11:27
If a player has had some great years with us, he's a hero. If he has gone over the hill, that's the manager's job to spot and say "Thanks for the great times" and move him on. He's still a hero and a bit of respect is due him.

His comments would not have been made if he was playing here next season but there is a lot of truth in them. If you are considered good enough to represent your country but let your standards slip, you are failing the club.

Thanks, Mr Howard, for all the times you have saved the game.

Martin Mason
12 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:11:29
Leicester were superb yesterday coming back from a nervous start in which they conceded a goal. Great work rate, very good movement and skill in the basic acts of passing to foot and first control. Best of all is how they kept their shape and their two CD's who cleared out every ball that came into the area. Very good side who deserve their success
Martin Nicholls
13 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:13:31
You might think it's "fair dos" dopey - I don't.
Sean Kelly
14 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:23:55
Lucky, lucky man is Tim... he's earned a fortune at our club. The club that doesn't drop inept players or managers. Lucky, lucky man.
John Daley
15 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:28:44
"Ok spoonfeet lets start with you."

If that's not how Martinez begins to read out his starting line up on a Saturday, then it really should be. Wonder how the rest of it would go though?

"Gobby gnome-faced shortarse who must think he's Walter White the way he's been mouthing off about all this 'chemistry' wank: you're wearing number 3.

You. Big, friendly, Sully from Monsters Inc imitating soft fucker who wants to be mates with the entire world: I'm making you captain son.

Patched up pisshead who stinks of petrol. Slot into that midfield and drive us forward son. Safely! No hit and run. Remember the rules: refrain from any unseemly physical stuff and play at a brisk walking pace at all times".

Sean Kelly
16 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:29:28
Oh by the way Timmy have a word with those two arseholes who insist they are good enough for Champions League... Mirallas and Lukaku. Tell them what loyalty means. Mercenaries.
Alan J Thompson
17 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:44:15
its juss wanna dose songs ya heer now an den.....
Paul Andrews
18 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:48:05
Howard should have been out of the team at least two years ago.

He has a point though.

Anthony Dwyer
19 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:53:42
Tim and the rest of the squad need to stop talking shite, its embarrassing, and it is quiet frankly an insult to the intelligence of the blues fans.

I also would like to add that Tim has had a good send off by us,and rightly so. But, Martinez has let him down in a way, along with letting us down, by allowing Tim to remain at us last his sell buy date. He's done the same with Osman, Peinaar, Hibo, and Gibson IMO.
He's talked about some of the above as though there needed as cheer leaders in the dressing room, but lets be honest, there paid far to much for that, and it clearly has not worked.

Mark Lewis
20 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:54:09
On bank holiday with no work I am contemplating writing a CV for the managers job because if what I am reading is right then you don't have to actually do anything.
Glen Garrett
21 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:09:19
Timmy boy, I hope that you are playing against Leicester City on Saturday and they show you and your so beloved Martinez just what true Champions they deserve to be and put 5 past you for fun. When they pick up the Premier League title, I hope that you, Martinez and the rest of the team stand and watch their well-deserved achievement.

Oh by way, Timmy, whist you all are watching, please ask Martinez if he can go and ask the Leicester City team how it was done because he clearly doesn't know what it takes to win a title or cup, does he> If titles and cups were won with just words, your mate Martinez would win the it all, season-in & season-out.

Please do us all a favour, Tim, and keep your gob shut and both of you please just fuck off

Michael Neely
22 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:13:47
Apart from Howard, I can't see any criticism of the team. Let's not pile all the blame on Martinez, when, not one player this season hasn't been garbage at times.
West Ham at home is a prime example, Roberto's fault? I don't think so, terrible, terrible defending from players who should know better more like it. Everyone from goalkeeper to centre forward is culpable for our present position, but, even those who have on occasion stunk the place out will be applauded on the final day lap of the pitch, whereas Martinez will be jeered by sections of the crowd.
Should Martinez go? Of course he should, but it's not all his fault.
Ernie Baywood
23 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:14:23
A team member publicly taking some responsibility and sharing the blame... slammed!
Matt Butlin
24 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:26:36
Humouring this latest attempt to justify Roberto's position for a second. 1.) If it's 'all down to the players' then why do we even need a manager? 2.) Shouldn't said manager have done something to turn things round 18 months ago rather than waxing lyrical about bleeding mediocrity?
Ian Hollingworth
25 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:28:34
This lot are beyond a joke now.

I despair for Everton FC.

Damian Wilde
26 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:30:09
"Everyone talks about the manager but he hasn't kicked one ball this season."

That's right Tim, he's not a player, he's a player! Does he understand the role of a manager?

Tony Draper
27 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:31:31
Michael @23 Whilst I understand your point, I just don't agree.

Roberto IS to blame, it's his job to manage the bloody team. The fact that these highly paid and talented professional footballers regularly play like half pissed, blindfolded club 18-30 holidaymakers is completely down to Roberto.

There's plenty of blame left over when Roberto has had his bellyful and if Captain Starfish wants to tuck in then that's just dandy with me, 'cos he has made numerous contributions over the last three seasons to me holding my head in my hands and thinking "Dear sweet baby Judas is this the same club that had Big Nev in goal or am I in a parallel universe ? ! ".

Kevin Bennett
28 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:34:50
We have a chairman who bleeds blue just as much as the rest of us -– God knows where we would have been without him!!!

We have a manager who is still learning, halfway through a project with players who are still young with loads of potential (actually listening to the papers and pundits too much).

We now have a new investor who looks as though he has his head on his shoulders – so give him time...

We have some of the best matchgoing fans in the world...

Yes, we have all been disappointing this season, but we have had two semi-finals and some good performances to cling onto – so for me it's no change please... get together as a team!!! And see how Mr Moshiri can influence us!!

Be careful what you wish for, Everyone?!?

Matt Butlin
29 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:39:23
Take season 1. We were suprisingly good. Exciting to watch even and full of the promise that more was to come. Fast forward to preseason 2. Roberto spends his time at the World Cup and doesn't prepare the team for the season ahead. We all saw the result. We weren't fit enough, we'd lost any defensive organisation, we were inviting pressure with ridiculous passing between the back 4. The players didn't just make this up!! Season 1 flattered Martinez beyond doubt because as soon as we'd lost the fitness the Moyes had installed. The set piece awareness etc then Roberto's actuall ability, or lack of it was there for all to see. Rather embarrassingly for us.
James Royston
30 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:58:36
What are you saying Tim ?? you don't need a manager just get in a huddle let someone pick ten others & put the coats down for goal??? Who needs a manager if you can't blame him. This has been the most frustrating season since my first match in 1947...MARTINEZ HAS TO GO or it's down we go next season.
Patrick Murphy
31 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:03:16
One of the major problems relating to the manager is what was his remit when he was appointed? Was it to build the team in such a way that wasn't too expensive or enhance the values of the players that the club has purchased? Was it to develop the youth team in such a way that we would be able to utilise them in the first team on a regular basis thereby saving money in the long-term? Was it to build a first-team capable of challenging at the very top of the league? Did he have any targets given to him on the footballing side of the club?

Neville Southall said something along the lines that Roberto had been left isolated and unsupported by the board, yes he has had money and time but apart from the "what a manager" statement what support or direction has he had from the board? David Moyes sheltered the boardroom from most of the flak they should have taken, because he could balance the needs of the team with the financial constraints of the club, by being pragmatic, straightforward and dour, and to a certain extent it worked.

Leadership is lacking throughout the whole club and the lack of any kind of meaningful statement by the board relating to football matters, suggests they either don't have any plan, they don't really care about the results or they are happy for the manager to be the scapegoat. I don't want Roberto to continue as Everton manager for a minute longer than is necessary but I do have some sympathy for him having to work for this club in its present state.

The apathetic nature of the fans reflects that there is a deeper underlying problem within the confines of Goodison Park apart from the performances and results of the first-team. Everyone of us are left waiting to see what transpires in the coming weeks, the longer the silence goes on the more concerned the fans will become and a change of manager - whilst desirable - may not fix the issues currently affecting the club. In who can we really trust?

We need somebody in a position of power at the club to put their head above the parapet and declare what the club is aiming to do in the next few months and seasons, if nobody is prepared to do that then the club will continue to drift from one week to the next and the fans will become even more disenchanted and disillusioned, some will cease to attend but not in significant numbers and most will attend but with less enthusiasm than is desirable. The quicker some sort of statement is made the better for everyone including Roberto.

Eugene Ruane
32 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:03:37
Many of the images that come to mind when we think of Hell, are actually the result of descriptions from Milton's 'Paradise Lost.'

Although there had been the idea of 'a hell' (even since before Christianity) it was Paradise Lost that provided the descriptions that gave us the pictures.

'Rivers and lakes of fire', 'floods and whirlwinds of tempestuous fire' 'ever-burning sulphur' etc.

There is also mention a place where there is only 'never-ending torture.'

Now I know this is a bit of a jump, but my guess is, had Milton had a season ticket for 'Ye Uppe Gwladyf' his description might have also included - "And on entering hell, every finner will fupport Evertone and after eache gayme, usually a fuking defeate like, a duplicitous knave will appear to talke interminable fhite for what will feem like all of baftard eternite. To be honeft, fire will feem like ye leaft of thou worrief"

(not sure anyone from the playing/coaching staff of the club ever reads TW, probably not. But should any of you see this and want to reduce the flak coming your way, just..stop talking. I promise you, right now, every statement makes things worse for you, not better).

Trevor Powell
33 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:05:49
Hang on Tim .. it is the players .... so if the players were Ok, you would not need a manger?
Tony Hill
34 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:12:07
Darkness visible, Eugene.
Eugene Ruane
35 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:21:10
Tony (35), ha ha I know, but I thought mentioning the concept of fire that provides darkness might be pushing things.
Brian Harrison
36 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:31:07
Just wondering does me renewing my season ticket again fall into the bracket of me self harming or even worse on the verge of madness. I mean why on earth would any sane person buy a season ticket, knowing that most of the time they will be very disappointed with what they will see.
I don't know of any other business that could rely on the total support of their customers having served up such dross.
Chris Leyland
37 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:37:27
Eugene - the only fire I'm interested in with relation to Everton is the one in the following sentence 'Everton Football club have announced that they have decided to fire Roberto Martinez with immediate effect."
Tony Draper
38 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:43:20
Thank you Eugene.
Thank you so much.

I laughed so hard I didst most nearly puke from my very gizzards and didst count my felf most very fortunate not to have befhitted mine breeches.

"a duplicitous knave will appear to talke interminable fhite for what will feem like all of baftard eternite"............... possibly the greatest words ever written in the english language.

Eugene Ruane
39 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:48:47
Brian- 'I don't know of any other business that could rely on the total support of their customers having served up such dross.'

A TV license springs to mind.

(that said, I've been incredibly lucky - every telly I've ever owned has worked perfectly well without one).

James Royston
40 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:50:59
Does renewing season tickets come with guarantee promises like some shops. If the goods are faulty or do not satisfy or he stays you can return for a refund...... Join the queue ,its right round the ground ?
Chris Leyland
41 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:59:53
I think some of you so called fans should not be judging Martinez after just 3 seasons. I mean it isn't like he took a squad that had consistently finished in the top 6 or 7 for 10 years, was then given considerably more more than his predecesor to improve them is it?

Also, at least he is well able to see the problems both in terms of the need to be tactically flexible week after week and in his in-game management decisions.

Additionally, some fans are just too obsessed with stuff like defending both set pieces and leads and of going to Goodison expecting Everton to win. Surely possession and the number of passes made are far more important than 3 points at the end of the day? Look at the likes Leicester, they are regularly well out-passed by their opponents and usually have no more than 40% possession every game and where will it get them? Ask yourselves this, would you rather watch them or Everton?

Finally, Roberto has pointed out that he has the 9th biggest budget and therefore two consecutive league finishes below that should not be considered under-achieving.

Anto Byrne
42 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:01:44
Huth and Murphy are big – no-nonsense defending. Central midfield racing back to get behind the ball. Their shape had 8 men back and they squeezed the wingers with close marking.

I did think this Man Utd team was playing very well, especially with young kids leading the line. Rooney was superb in the Number 10 role and Fellaini is still a thug – good riddance.

I thought the ref was very generous letting a lot of stuff go. Do we ever get a ref that just lets the game flow and allows play on? Having watched Leicester since their rise to the top of the table, they have had lots of favorable decisions go their way. Even two penalties at Goodison.

Simon Jones
43 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:02:00
Yes, Tim, but Martinez has left the players bemused as to what they should be doing. Surely the definition of insane is doing the same thing but expecting different results. With that said, Martinez is batshit crazy! :{
Dave Abrahams
44 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:14:26
Brian (37) I was going to get my season ticket then I wasn't, I keep changing my mind, the reason is Martinez, if he is staying what's the point of going, you know things are not going to get better while he stays, and let's be honest watching this team with him in charge does little to entertain you but sends you home in a mad mood.

That's why we should be told as quickly as possible if he is staying or going.

Damian Wilde
45 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:24:50
I will renew Dave (as I want to keep my very good seat), but won't attend again 'till he's gone.
Steve Guy
46 Posted 02/05/2016 at 13:23:07
Tim, it's not just the players, in the same way as its not just Martinez. It's the whole rotten apple cart of the lot of you. Over promising and underperforming; two words that describe everyone associated with EFC from Boardroom, to Management, to the players. You all take the piss with the constant rhetoric and bleeding heart statements we fans are continuously subjected to.

You have a choice as to were you play your football and the standards you are prepared to accept; from both yourself and Martinez. Unfortunately the Club's supporters will be with EFC until we shuffle off this mortal coil and we have heard and (most importantly) seen enough.

The Club needs a scouring pad from top to bottom. Kenwright Out ! Martinez Out ! Deadwood Players Out !

Martin O'Sullivan
48 Posted 02/05/2016 at 13:34:34
Really Tim? So tactics, substitutions and philosophy are spot on then hay? Why do players come out with this rubbish, Martinez is clearly rubbing off on him. We as people prefer it said how it is and not sugar coated or with a untrue positive spin on things. Just goes to show we need a manager with balls and several players with ones just as big. Maybe then we will start to succeed. COYB
Kristian Boyce
49 Posted 02/05/2016 at 13:58:46
Here's the thing Tim, we have blamed the players, well more specifically you! You've been awful this year and we let you and Martinez know it. After enough bugging, Martinez removed you from the team.
Things haven't improved, and the fans have every right to complain. It's justifiable for him to take you out of the team, so there shouldn't be any issue in removing him from the team, right?
Darren Hind
50 Posted 02/05/2016 at 14:45:01
I made the mistake of giving up a cracking seat when I decided not to renew my season ticket last year.

It was intended as a protest against Bobbies boring bollocks, but it ended up being a nose-spite-face job. I couldn't stay away and ended up paying more to sit in some very poor seats - usually down the front of the park end

Jim Hardin
51 Posted 02/05/2016 at 14:52:24
Okay, to try to put two and two together to equal four.

Baines said the team lacked chemistry and it was assumed he was criticizing RM so everything was RM's fault. What if he wasn't? What if he was trying to criticize the players without naming individuals? Maybe he was blaming Martinez too, but we see players playing for one another at Leicester and Southampton and West Ham, and the other side of that coin at Chelsea and Arsenal (Giroud and Costa and Hazard, and Ozil come to mind).

Now, Howard comes out with "blame the players." What if like Baines, Howard is doing the same thing? Sure, on the face, it appears to be supporting RM, but what if both are trying to help and support the club as it goes forward? What if Howard, like Baines, is trying to point out that each player on the squad needs to be examined and sent packing, no matter the talent level, if he is not buying into the team regardless of the tactics and manager?

What if the point is there is more here that is wrong than just changing the manager? (I still think he should go ASAP) What if the point is that the team's form and results are down to more than just RM? This would explain the frustrating 45 minutes of effort or "Tale of Two Halves" that has become standard this season in Everton games.

Baines still has to show up to train with these guys next season, so he is less able to be critical of individuals. Howard is done at Everton. He has ten plus years of experience at two clubs and has seen Fergie, Moyes, and now Martinez- led teams and locker rooms. He has seen players pulling together and what is the right way to do things. As a professional, he isn't going to name names but maybe he is trying to tell some of the sulky little spoiled players with selfish attitudes to grow up, put on their big boy pants, and step up and admit the effort is lacking and fix it.

Granted, his message won't get through to the anti-Howard TWs on here who can't, or won't, look beyond the messenger and would rather slag him off rather than examine the message and reason for it. Howard said he is an Evertonian for life. Perhaps we should view his comments in that vein and not as support for RM per se, but a warning for next season, in regards to the squad. Quite possibly, some of the culprits will be in leadership positions within the team. That would be truly bad news for next season.

Again, maybe this is not the intent and Howard is trying to curry favor with RM. Why would he do so now instead of two months ago, or one month ago, when he had more to gain than just a couple of meaningless games to play in?

Steve Bell
52 Posted 02/05/2016 at 15:43:40
Yes, Tim, people do have right to voice their opinion.... not apparently at Goodison Park – or should I say Pyongyang?
Damian Wilde
53 Posted 02/05/2016 at 15:59:19
Long post that, Jim. Disagree, Baines mentioned 'team' - who manages the 'team' - Martinez.

As for Howard, he's annoyed me of late with his interviews. Maybe Roberto said to him 'Tim, do this interview and you'll get a few games.'

Chris Williams
54 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:14:53

That's a plausible viewpoint and certainly is supported by the evidence of people's own eyes every game, for far too long.

I also believe that RM cannot evade responsibility for what has been a gradual, prolonged deterioration, season on season for 3 years now, and his boneheaded stubbornness and selective and self serving pronouncements.

Ray Said
55 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:18:31
Eugene (33) . That post made my day-cheers
Paul Kelly
56 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:18:34
Earlier on in the season he took a swipe at the fans, said he had nothing to prove, now IT IS the players fault, just more BS spiel from the club, didn't you get a bumper contract from the club when it was quite clear you shouldn't of Tim?

Ambition, my arse!

Chris Morris
57 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:59:11
Leicester were ruthless last year sacking a semi lunatic manager who managed the great escape.

What are we doing Bill? Being 'Everton'.....All nicey nicey? No winning mentality since the 80s or true we have any?

Can you prove us all wrong and do it quick? Roberto and his bullshit will take us down no doubt about it.

Nicholas Ryan
58 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:59:28
Eugene, could there be hope for us after all .... in that, 4 years after publishing Paradise Lost, John Milton wrote 'Paradise Regained'!
Colin Glassar
59 Posted 02/05/2016 at 17:40:58
Eugene, founds like you have a ferious lifp there lad.
Jim Hardin
60 Posted 02/05/2016 at 18:34:54

Players or team. Same thing to me as both are terms for the group. Baines said lack of chemistry which implies relations between players. I think both he and Howard are both indicating something in addition to RM is amiss at Goodison.

Peter Mills
61 Posted 02/05/2016 at 18:52:04
Thus was the applause they meant
Turn'd to exploding hiss.
John Graham
62 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:06:06
If the table doesn't lie and its down to the players then you are either not trying hard enough for the manager ( managers fault ). The tactics are wrong ( managers fault ). The players aren't good enough for the team ( managers fault ). The players aren't fit enough ( managers fault ).
So no matter which players come on here to show their support you can't hide the fact that the manager has to take the blame.
Now get off to the USA and stop spouting drivell.
Darren Hind
63 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:11:15
Martinez supported this fool when the world and his dog could see he was finished . This is simply a role reversal.

Howard denied he was playing badly when he was stinking the house out every weekend. He claimed others didnt know what they were talking about . . now he's agreeing with them

Thank fuck these two clowns are finished at our club and somebody else will have to listen to their never ending pap

Frank Crewe
64 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:55:13
It's the managers fault. It's ALWAYS the managers fault. They never sack players. If managers want the credit for success then they get the blame for lack of same. This is how it has always been. Martinez knew this when he chose to follow a career in football management. He managed to dodge the bullet at his previous clubs by resigning before he got the push. But he's not going to get away with that here. He's reached the glass ceiling that his limited talents could take him.

Stick a fork in him and move on.

Dave Ganley
65 Posted 02/05/2016 at 20:35:48
The club is a disgrace from top to bottom. The board employed this idiot manager because it was the easy option in my opinion. Winning the FA cup should not disguise the fact that that he got his team relegated. What on earth made the board think he was qualified to achieve CL status?

The idiot manager has contrived to single handedly take Everton FC from a top 6 club to a laughing stock in 3 short (well very long if you have to actually watch it) seasons. He has taken good young talent like Barkley, Stones, Coleman, Deulofeu, and completely shot their confidence and made them into a shadow of what they should be. He has taken an energetic team and made them lifeless and insipid. He has taken a vibrant atmosphere at Goodison Park and turned it into a morgue, a place where all crap teams can't wait to visit. He has continually insulted the fans with his inane drivel, the latest being that we are closer than ever to silverware......hmmm, maybe its the fact I keep nodding off at the games that I actually miss the bit that demonstrates that. Oh, and he has led us to the worst points total in a season at home....ever!!

The players seem to have no professional pride. I get that the manager sends them out with ridiculous tactics but where is the professional pride to keep yourself fit enough to last a full 90 minutes? Where is the professional pride to keep fighting from the first minute to the last? Where is the professional pride to give the fans the performances they deserve? Where is the professional pride to actually learn from your mistakes? Where is the professional pride to actually show that you give a fuck?

The club can trot out any number of players/ex players to excuse Martinez but they cannot fool the fans, who actually know that the club is rotten. Martinez should have gone months ago for me, but when (i hope) he does finally get his just desserts, he shouldn't be alone. Kenwright needs to go and also Elstone. Some of the players should also be put on the transfer list as, to be honest, some of their attitudes have been nothing short of disgraceful, pretty much mirroring the club really. Its not as easy as just getting rid of the manager (although that would be a huge starter) their needs to be a massive spring clean from top to bottom.

Les Martin
66 Posted 02/05/2016 at 20:50:29
Tim, easy to say now your leaving. The evidence is in the results – they all even out over time and Martinez is just not good enough.

We were dross last season and he had the nerve to blame the Europa League for fatigue, anyone would think we reached the final ! We have been mainly dross this, disorganised and not fit enough, sooner this charlatan leaves, I am dreading a possible 4th season of this waffler.

Whoever does come in has a mountain of a job to do, to rebuild a style of play to allow us to compete. Also there are many players who will move on Lukaku, Stones will go plus McGeady, Osman, Hibbert, Howard, Pienaar, Hibbert, Gibson – a frightening situation to be in, and fascinating times ahead.

Paul Conway
67 Posted 02/05/2016 at 21:36:10
I have already said that RM has become the Jim Jones of the PL the Wako Whacko! He has turned EFC into a sect. He has the board brainwashed and the players also.

Not only has he broken horrendous records at our Club... worst home League performance. He has also broken the record for the most likeliest managerial sacking never to happen.

Baz McCann
69 Posted 02/05/2016 at 00:19:14
I agree with Kevin Bennett totally: a young team collectively under-performing and short on confidence. For all Roberto's shortcomings, he has tactical ability. It was his Wigan team playing us off the park that probably had a lot to do with him getting the job in the first place. It is not just Tim Howard saying this.

Giving Moyes credit for Martinez's first season doesn't add up as Moyes took over the Premier League Champions and we beat them twice!!??

It has been a mediocre season; we drew a lot of games we should have won. Who's to say, with investment and a strong leader on the pitch, we can greatly improve?

To me, the similarities with Howard Kendall's first spell are there – the nucleus of a young team with ability. It wasn't til the fight of Reid and presence of Gray kicked in that it all came together. Don't forget gates of 13,000 and protests back then.

Finally, to repeat... it has been mediocre season with the odd flash of fluent exciting winning spells; it can get better.

Mark Andersson
70 Posted 03/05/2016 at 04:33:23
Do you feel better after that rant Dave Ganley. Your spot on of course, the only change next season will be we will be fighting relegation.

Martin Mason good post. Countered well by others, which is why I read this phenomenal website, which is in a incredible moment.

"What a website "

Brian Wilkinson
71 Posted 03/05/2016 at 06:17:41
I am sure Bobby has a weekly draw, if the players name comes out of the hat, it is his turn to speak to the press backing Bobby.

It is getting embarrassing now, we should have a bit of banter on here, who the next player will be to speak up sweepstakes.

Shortlist for me, Lennon, Coleman, or graham Jones,my vote goes to Lennon.

Nathan Rooney
73 Posted 03/05/2016 at 09:27:27
John Daley #19 & Eugene Ruane #33

Cheers for cheering me up and making me laugh out loud, which considering my current mood relating to all things Everton is a minor miracle.

Oh yes, taliban Timmy, thanks for everything mate and don't let the door smack your arse on the way out lad.

If we played footy as well as we chat shite, we would be pissing every competition we enter.

Paul Cherrington
74 Posted 03/05/2016 at 09:51:58
Maybe Jim is right with his theory of it being certain players in the squad being the problem and lots of people not getting on. It would explain a lot & these and Baines's comments.

However, for me, the buck still stops with the manager, even if that's the case. If there are trouble makers in there, it's his job to shape them up or ship them out... not let them ruin the team and season with inactivity.

Timothy Blanshard
75 Posted 03/05/2016 at 12:06:44
I remember clearly when Arsenal won the Premier League and we were their opponents: they smashed us 4-0. At the time, I was in a house with one Spurs fan and two Gunners, mates of mine in London. I got quite a bit of stick and it did make me feel down longing for our past glories.

I also remember thinking "I hope our players watching this will be inspired to think they want some of that", and on Saturday it's going to happen again only this time I think our players will be thinking "I want to join a side with a winning mentality."

I believe the manager and players are all out of excuses, there is no progress the fans can see that much.

Bjoern Haall
76 Posted 03/05/2016 at 14:40:51
I don't think one should blame anybody within the club for consecutive bad seasons. Not the players, nor the manager or his staff. Not even the board.

I want to blame the other teams. They train to much, they change tactics to exploit the "Everton way" to play, they score when it's only 10 minutes left of the game, they systemize set pieces, they press the other teams players, the run unfairly fast and much...

Mick Davies
77 Posted 03/05/2016 at 15:55:03
So it's the players to blame for (at present) the joint fewest home wins in our history. Thank Howard for clearing that up - now wouldn't it be appropriate to reimburse all those who attended Goodison this season out of their obscene salaries? If they can't be bothered playing to the best of their abilities, then they (especially Howard) are not fit to play for for EFC (Nil Satis etc)
Trevor Lynes
78 Posted 03/05/2016 at 17:53:34
I have to agree with Howard.

Blame should be apportioned as 75% players fault and 25% managers.Individual errors have blighted the season and the players work rate has been pretty poor IMO.

The manager shoulders the blame for both boardroom and players unfortunately and is basically a very well paid whipping boy.

If Martinez leaves then I reckon Pearson would whip them into shape as Martinez is not strong enough to cajole the players and make them work closing down ALL over the pitch.

I do not have the personal information that some who comment on this article seem to have.However once the game is set into play it is down to the selected team to give 100% from the off.Leicester have two or three top players but have deservedly won the title due to their work rate.they have put many sides in the premier league to shame including us.

Eugene Ruane
79 Posted 03/05/2016 at 18:23:22
It might not be fair Trevor (79) but when the ship goes down, it's the Captain rather than the crew who is expected to sacrifice himself.

75%, 25%, 44.76%?

Every manager knows the most important percentage - he knows he'll carry 100% of the can if it goes pear-shaped.

Sure he might feel let down by some players, but he'll also know should he even think of defending himself with "Don't blame me - our back four have been performing like shit-houses all season" he'd get even more stick.

Damian Wilde
80 Posted 03/05/2016 at 23:12:11
Rubbish Trevor, Martinez has ruined us. Rich coming from Tim. When he was shite and challenged, je kept reminding us of his great record, now he's not playing, he blames his team mates - shithouse. Is it just me or has Howard become really irritating?
George Cumiskey
81 Posted 06/05/2016 at 12:45:42
Great post, Bjoern (#76). Bang on mate those dastardly other teams having the temerity to get stuck win tackles and headers score goals and generally bully nice old Everton. I'm off to find the nearest community police officer and report the offence!

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