Jagielka expects 'massive' change this summer

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Phil Jagielka says that as many as 10 players could leave Everton in what promises to be a seismically transformative summer at the club.

The captain expressed his belief that the 2015-16 season wasn't as bad as was made out but he admits that poor results ultimately cost Roberto Martinez his job.

Now, with a number of players reaching either the end of their careers or their contracts at Goodison Park and some potential sales — not to mention the search for a new manager — he expects big changes at the club in the coming months.

“We have got a few players who are coming out of contract, players who have had rumours throughout the season about moves and things, so not only is the staff going to change, the squad is going to change massively as well," Jagielka told the media.

"[T]he main thing is Everton football club moves forward and keeps progressing. There is going to be a lot of change in the playing squad. I am not sure the squad is going to be big enough for the start of next season with the people who are leaving.

"It is a case of them deciding what sort of squad and formula they want on the pitch and off the pitch. That will determine what manager they want.

“There could be double figures leaving, which is a lot. We are talking about established first-team players. It is going to be a big change of personnel and that will play a big part in who will get the chance to manage the club.”

The 32-year-old, who learned today that he will not be making the trip to France this summer to represent England at the European Championship Finals, pointed to two cup semi-finals as evidence the season just finished wasn't all bad but he agrees poor results in the league meant that it was almost inevitable the Martinez had to leave.

“It is easy to say it has been a season of underachievement but we have had two great cup runs,” Jagielka continued. “Our league form hasn't been as good as it is should have been, but things haven't been as bad as people have made out. Football is a results business and, unfortunately for us in the league, it is not what we have wanted.

“The results cost the manager the job. It is as simple as that. It was very hard for the manager to stay in charge.”


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Patrick Carty
1 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:35:28
Chelsea were the only noteable team we beat in the cup competitions.
This was a very poor season, simple as.
Oscar Huglin
2 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:37:22
Wow. Sounds like we're losing Lukaku for sure then.
Gavin Johnson
3 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:41:57
If 10 players leave I can see those being :-


And to be honest 8 of those need to go and the other 2 can go if we get the £100m the media are touting them to be sold for.

Mike Green
4 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:42:51
"It is a case of them deciding what sort of squad and formula they want on the pitch and off the pitch. That will determine what manager they want."

A bit arse about face maybe but there's obviously a lot afoot and our club captain doesn't sound much involved in it.

New manager, new squad, new ground....all in the space of a week! Swoon.....

My point being - not much "we" in there....

Francis Gibson
7 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:44:42
Not a lot was made of it before the match, but while I was watching on Sunday I realised it was probably the last time Stones and Lukaku (at least) would be playing in the royal blue.
David Barks
8 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:47:30
And the last statement he made amount the season not being as bad as is being made out is exactly why we need fresh blood in the squad and a new captain. The captain of Everton football club should be pushing to finish at the top of the league. He is of the "top half and anything after that is a bonus" old mentality that must be cut out of this club.
Patrick Murphy
9 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:48:07
"I am not sure the squad is going to be big enough for the start of next season with the people who are leaving" says Jagielka and he adds "It is going to be a big change of personnel and that will play a big part in who will get the chance to manage the club.”

That sounds like a veiled warning to me and it also gives off the vibe that he'll be one of those leaving? Jags comments don't fill me full of hope that we will attract the calibre of manager we all crave, as usual we'll just have to wait and see.

Muj Rasul
10 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:48:42
I think we need Koeman. Summer of rebuilding needed and losing up to ten players, I think he has the right experience, i.e bringing young players in ( done successfully at Southampton), rebuilding a team losing some of its first team players ( I think Rom and Stones are out) and I would trust him with our money.

Also he is a big name and players will respect him.
Alan Humphreys
11 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:51:48
Need a new Management team in place before June, definitely before the Euros.

The new Manager will then be able to decide the fate of those in contract, not the players, their agents or even their Dad's.

Wouldn't be surprised if we had a new captain. Jags is a fine player but hardly an Everton captain of the likes that went before him.

Lewis Barclay
12 Posted 16/05/2016 at 23:55:14
This sounds like a cry of "Mourinho come and help - we've got around £200 million to spend"

Colin Glassar
13 Posted 16/05/2016 at 00:04:15
I think Stones and Lukaku will stay if we get the right manager.


Will all leave and depending who the new manager is, Lennon and Mirallas might also leave. We might recoup £10m for the first group and possibly the same for Mirallas and Lennon.

£100m from our new boss, plus £20m for this lot will allow us to rebuild with younger, better players.

Jim Bennings
14 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:05:50
Expect exits for...

Howard (as we knew)
Niasse (maybe)

I expect at least 8 new signings maybe even more, plus the further integration of players like Garbutt, Galloway and Tom Davies with perhaps later in 2016/17 season more for Dowell and others (Davies looked more ready for the first team).

Big big summer.

James Watts
15 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:09:19
Thank god Bobby has gone. I can just hear 'We have a phenomenal new squad but it will take time for them to get into their incredible moments in the second half of the season. And Niasse will be out of prison then too so will be like a new phenomenal signing come January.'
Chris Bentham
16 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:10:51
I think Jags has been great for us. It's been great seeing the utility centre mid/right back/centre half from Sheffield Utd develope into one of the top defenders in the country and in my opinion better than all 3 centre half's taken with England.

He's put his body on the line for us the last few weeks and I for one am not pushing to replace him as captain.. With so many old heads leaving we will need him.
John Daley
17 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:13:44

The part you've quoted I found a bit odd. The anticipated big change of personnel/shake up of the playing squad will play a big part in determining who is given the nod as the next manager? Not exactly how it works is it? Surely it should be the other way around, with any new incumbant coming in and deciding which players to cut loose and which he wants to keep?

Ernie Baywood
18 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:15:47
I read that as we've underperformed, so we got rid of the manager, and it's reasonably to assume we'll also get rid of some of the players such as those out of contract. Especially given we've seemingly got some money to spend. He does obviously accept that there are players who are rumoured to jessie too.

On the under performance this season, I do think it feels a lot worse than it was. The first half of the season was actually decent with the frustration that we kept throwing good positions away. We outplayed good teams and were scoring for fun, even if defensively we were dodgy.

Since about Feb it all completely came off the rails and eventually turned into a horror show with no sign of improvement.

Kind of like the reverse of what we used to do under OFFM. We were typically horrendous up to December and then come home strongly. Ultimately it's a similar outcome over the season but the strong finish gives you hope for the new season - something which none of us had until a week ago.

Anthony Hawkins
19 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:16:43
I disagree. This season HAS been as bad as its been made out to be. The cup runs should be a nice to have in addition to the league. Any time the cup comes first the teams onto a loser. Bread and butter before anything else.

A big clear out has been needed for a while and hopefully it will Bing the team kicking and screaming into the place it needs to be.

I personally would not be upset to see Jags as one of those leaving. I have always thought a captain should be one of the midfield players, not a defender.

If you want a cultured team, a properly fit and confident Stones is the one to keep.

Peter McHugh
20 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:30:15
Jags should be apologising not talking bollocks. Very condescending and wrong. Really peeved off by his comments.

We heard all season from players that this squad was definitely good enough for top 4. We came top 11 and only just and have been in freefall for months and been battered at home by everybody and crushing defeat by the shite - perhaps one of the worst derby showings ever. The last two months in particular have been an embarrassment to be an Evertonian and every day we've all been looking every hour to see if Martinez was sacked. Fault obviously lies partly with Martinez but also the players who clearly gave up on him. Jags partly responsible as team captain.

I like Jags usually but he has pissed me right off with that statement about our season - him and his team mates (and his former manager) have been shocking. Fair play to him for always trying his best on the field although any player should do that. I don't fault his professionalism (unlike majority of his team mates) but as captain he has added responsibility for his actions off the pitch and his words. In terms of his comments about our future manager frankly keep your nose out of it - you have not won any trophy and don't have the right to speak with authority about whom the club may go for as manager.

Chris Bentham
21 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:36:14
Not quite on thread like but would AVB be a bad choice?

He's done well with Zenit won the title done well in Europe. Had Spurs highest win ratio in prem before he left.. Done ok with Chelsea even though he was younger than some of the players.. (They paid £13m to get him from Porto).

I'm happy with De Boer, would prefer Mourinho but De Boer 6/4 AVB 33/1 makes no sense. He's a good outsider considering Avram Grants 25/1 haha.

Andrew Heffernan
22 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:42:26
Is it just me or is it not extremely bad planning that so many first team players are due to exit this summer; even if they don't, it implies we're keeping them because of bad planning... Manager and CEO must take the responsibility for this... but why should I expect anything different with a clown like BK as their boss. The Everton way, just clap when on big screen... god help us!
Dan Davies
23 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:43:21
They're all shitting themselves a new manager is gonna have a big clear out. Simple and he's one of em.
John Roberts
24 Posted 16/05/2016 at 00:48:52
Mike (#4),

Although Jags is captain he's still just an employee.

Kieran Kinsella
25 Posted 17/05/2016 at 00:58:49
Most of the departures are fringe players past their prime who may happen to Jags' mates like Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar, Howard, Gibson. So it might seem more of a loss to him than it will to us.
Bob Hannigan
26 Posted 17/05/2016 at 02:06:28
Should "the Special One" decide to come to Everton it will be interesting
1) to see how many of our young players will be given a chance
2) if Stones & Rom who are "expected" to go will stay at least one more season.
James Stewart
27 Posted 17/05/2016 at 02:10:01
I couldn't care a less who leaves to be honest no one in our squad is irreplaceable and Koeman is more than capable of doing the rebuild.
Andy Osborne
28 Posted 17/05/2016 at 03:32:33
Our season WAS as bad as we thought. Our cup runs were a nice distraction, but we had the luck of the draw and seemed to raise our game when it mattered (apart from the semis). The reason our season was bad is because the style of play and tactics used meant we were on a downward spiral. We were in relegation form. The fans saw that, clear as day.

The reason that many players will leave because they are at the end of their contacts is management failure to plan a succession. If the plan was to replace the old with academy players, there was no evidence of that until the last game. With the season virtually over with 10 games to go, the youngsters should have been brought in then.

I like Jags, but I think this interview is a mistake, it gives the wrong message. He's probably concerned that his place in the first 11 will be under threat when the new manager comes in.

Anto Byrne
29 Posted 17/05/2016 at 03:52:03
Well, I expect 1-year extensions for Osman and Gibson unless they get better offers. Still need a few old heads around.

Niasse gets a lot of stick but I saw some fleeting glimpses of potential and of course we were playing some awful football.

To be honest I don't think many of our players were suited to this slow tippy-tappy crap being served up. A return to the basics and we looked a different side. High energy, closing down space and having a good time.

Bainesy had a Cheshire Cat grin and if anyone should captain this side, he would be right up there.

Eric Myles
30 Posted 17/05/2016 at 04:07:06
Bob #26, if Jose comes in he'll sell Lukaku to Chelsea!!
Alan J Thompson
31 Posted 17/05/2016 at 05:36:53
After a season like that why wouldn't you expect some change in personnel? Given the age of some players and the end of others contracts it is fair to assume they will need to be replaced.
The question is, is it the Captain's place be the first to say so.
David Chait
32 Posted 17/05/2016 at 05:49:01
Very disappointing comments about the season not being that bad! Bad enough for the manager to be fired. Wonder if too many years under Moyes has Jags still believing in the glass ceiling... Even though Leicester just smashed it!

Not a winning mentality and an acceptance of mediocrity. Brings his leadership into question!

John Louis Jones
33 Posted 17/05/2016 at 05:55:43
This great news, Can not understand some of the negative comments, The squad has been ageing for a number of years.
I have said the same thing on other threads it is a massive rebuild.
A few people have mentioned the players that will leave and everyone has said the same players, But don't forget the Barry,Jags and Baines are all 33 or over come the start of the season. I also think McCarthy will leave reading his body language on Saturday.

Think about it, If the 10 players that leave are on for arguments sake an average of £40k per week each that is c£20 Million off the wage bill. ( I think I am being kind here it will be more like c£27Million)

There is good youth players in the squad that have been held back by older players ( some of them robbing a living) the wage bill for 2016 was c£74 Million.

If the papers are right and Mr Moshri is going to give the new Boss £100Million to spend and say we recoup close to £100million from the sales of Rom,Stones and Co that means that the are new man has close to £200million transfer budget and a c£20-30 Million wage budget to play with.

This is the same as Chelski, Citeh and Utd when they have either rebuilt or when they got took over.

Citeh in the first 3 season after being taken over by Sheik Mansour spend £266 Million on players (Telegraph) . We are talking about a potential £100 to £200 Million in 1 summer.

Surely this can only be a good thing?

Oh I think that De Boer would be a good shout, But somebody else said AVB Yes very very underrated and I think he got shat on from a great height at Chelski and Spurs.

Michael Coffey
34 Posted 17/05/2016 at 05:55:55
And as for all that anguish over Barcelona's buy back clause for wee Jinky....
Richard Lyons
35 Posted 17/05/2016 at 06:36:26
Hmm - we may have a big budget for a shopping spree, and it will be much needed if this exodus does occur... but how full are the shelves in the shop? I don't see a huge amount of talent out there that isn't already playing for CL clubs... And we desperately need the right manager to spend the money wisely - remember what happened to the Gareth Bale millions?
Craig Fletcher
36 Posted 17/05/2016 at 06:37:14
I'm inclined to agree with Ernie (18).

It's only been since the awful home defeat to Stoke just after christmas, when we shipped two goals in the last few minutes to lose 4-3, that the wheels well and truly came off in our league performance. Prior to that we had been, well, ok, and were only four points off 5th, which coupled with a league cup semi-final to look forward to, it hadn't been a terrible season. The warning signs of what was to come though, had started with the 3-3 at Bournemouth a month previously.

Thereafter, the FA Cup run only masked what was a calamity in the league from that Stoke game onwards.

I think Jags' comments about the players leaving was probably disappointment on a personal level as much as anything else, seeing as he seems to be good mates with Hibbo, Ossie, and Tim Howard as Kieran said.

I too was baffled though by his comment that the change in personnel will play a big part in who will manage the club. Surely the new manager will have the final say on what happens with the out-of-contract players, and the likes of McGeady, Kone and Niasse?

Mike Green
37 Posted 17/05/2016 at 06:42:23
John #24 - you're right, its ultimately nothing to do with him but in the job I'm in I have to explain the firms decisions to people and it's a big no-no to say 'they've decided' rather than 'we've decided', as an example.

He's club captain and of all people should know this / talk in these terms naturally or have been trained on it as a key representative, and as you say, employee. It gives off an 'us and them' vibe while the club captain should talk in terms of a unified approach.

I'm probably reading too much into it but he's either not happy about it, thinks he's one of the ten or is basically unprofessional and illustrates why he shouldn't be club captain. He should view himself as more than just an employee, he holds a very important role in the club.

John Graham
38 Posted 17/05/2016 at 07:01:11
Who is he trying to kid. Lowest home wins. Awful football. Terrible end as teams worked out how to play us. Can tell by atmosphere at Goodison, everybody gave up, fans, players , and manager. Raise your sites or move on to the championship.
Kunal Desai
39 Posted 17/05/2016 at 07:01:43
The key here is if both Lukaku and Stones are sold we could have somewhere around £150-200 million to spend. Its imperative we do not go down the route of Liverpool and Spurs where we get in 9 or 10 players and they don't bed in. We must make 3 or 4 marquee signings that will go straight into the first team. I'd like to see Osman, Gibson and Hibberts places hand to Davies, Connolly and Dowell.
Charlie Lloyd
40 Posted 17/05/2016 at 07:03:30
I've heard this not a bad season to semis talk.

Let's face it we had a fairly easy run in both cups till Chelsea or Man city

Dave Pritchard
41 Posted 17/05/2016 at 07:08:45
Talk of up to £200 million to spend may well be a tad premature. Has Moshiri come out and stated he is giving £100 million for transfers? Are we really going to get £100 million for Stones and Lukaku? Great if we do have that money to spend but maybe we should not get too far ahead of ourselves.
Shane Corcoran
42 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:01:54
Jagielka is 33 going on 34, according to wiki.
Joseph Walsh
43 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:11:38
"[T]he main thing is Everton football club moves forward and keeps progressing."

Indeed Jags - sadly Martinez and Kenwright have set us back many years. I just hope Moshiri gets a grip and starts by telling Bill to pack up his Corrie memorabilia and sends him on his way back to Luvviesdom.

Bob Cumiskey
44 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:12:36
I for one expected big changes once they took the decision to remove Martinez from his duties. Every season I pay my money over for my season ticket in order to watch players represent my beloved EFC who want to play for the club and its fans.

If players don't want to be here then let them go. Big reputations mean nothing when there is a lack of effort; Lukaku hasn't scored for 9 games and Stones has been very poor this season.

As long as the money is right let anybody leave who doesn't want to be here and find new recruits who are capable and want to play for us.

I'm confident that we will get the right manager and with the money they have available I am looking forward to the new season with renewed confidence.


Dave Paul
45 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:32:02
The Guardian are quoting the following which I find interesting interesting: “I am not really prepared to answer the question of what went wrong. There were things put on TV about the last 10 results and unfortunately that was the state of play."

From the lists people suggested on here, I would only offer Osman a one-year deal. The other 'senior' players can go. Hibbert (and to lesser extent Pienaar) deserve a good send off but other than that they can go. Niasse (if we can get some money), Kone, Gibson, McGeady, and Ovideo all can go without too much loss.

Lukaku and Stones – if they don't want to stay, then get money and goodbye (I'd like them to stay though). We have good youngsters so let's use them and with money coming, it's looking good. We just need Koeman now!

Tony Abrahams
46 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:32:37
This article is just like our season has just been. some good, some bad, he's just pointing out where we stand at the minute regarding our future.

Does the squad need a massive overall, or will the new manager be prepared to promote half a dozen kids?

one thing which is very obvious though, is that a change of mindset, and personnel cannot come quick enough.

Everton's captain, going on about reaching two semi finals, and then not expressing any disappointment about not winning either of those cups? Even Walter smith, would have been very disappointed Phil.

Dave Ganley
47 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:38:44
I'm not sure how people seem to think the first half of the season was ok. Apart from the Southampton and Chelski games it was all pretty woeful. The Sunderland and Villa teams were among the worst teams to visit Goodison in an age so beating them well was hardly an achievement. Have we forgotten the humiliation against both manc clubs at home? The laboured game against Watford opening day? The awful derby draw against one of the worst RS teams to visit our place? Another loss to the Arse? And then the truely awful December. Yeah the first half of the season was definitely vintage!! Pity it was an acrid acetic kind of vintage.

John #17 yeah that caught my eye too. Surely its the manager who decides who goes and not the players remaining deciding who the next manager is. I would hope...ha ha I guess this is Everton....but I would hope Moshiri has already identified who the next manager will be already.

To be honest, while I would like Lukaku and Stones to stay, if they want to depart for pastures new then good luck to them. No one is irreplacable and lets face it, they have certainly had their off moments this season where they have (amongst others) effectively stuck 2 fingers up to the crowd with their lack of effort. A good clear out is exactly what we need to get rid of the deadwood and also the ones who are not totally committed to Everton. If we get the right man then I will happily accept the pain of rebuilding to get the team right

Peter Jones
48 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:42:05
I should imagine Jags is desperately disappointed to be omitted from the England squad after he has been instrumental all through qualifying and he is a considerably better defender than either Cahill or Stones. He put his chances on the line opting to play through pain in the semi-final and for that alone I would vote him Player of the Season.

I am sure he has the complete respect of the rest of the players and any new manager would be well-advised to keep him as captain at least for one more season.

Eugene Kearney
49 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:48:31
I think that most of what Jags has said is just common sense, given the age of certain players and the "age" of some players' contracts - and the fact that there are a couple of Martinez buys that any new manager would just want rid of anyway.

This clear-out is what is going to happen anyway. We need a new manager who will want to/will have to strip things down a good bit and re-build.

The only criticism is how not-too-bad the season was, but he is captain and he has to talk things up....even the bad things. At least he didn't say it was phenomenal !!

Karl Parsons
50 Posted 17/05/2016 at 08:49:16
Add Kenwright and Elstone to those lists boys please
Chris Regan
51 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:01:06
Regarding losing players, I have always been of the opinion that Everton, like every other club, will go on regardless of the players that come in and out. So as long as recruitment is right we should be ok.

Lukaku and Stones strike me as both being 'light headed', especially Stones, I think the right manager could convince them to stay.

Finally, Jags has always struck me as being too nice, he sort of embodied the 'Everton are just nice plucky underdogs'. That's why we need a new tougher mindset within the club.

Simon Jones
52 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:04:13
IMO the "Big Clearout" is a symptom of Everton being too nice a club. Players like McGeady & Gibson and some of the other names mentioned here should have gone last summer. Look at the names on posters' lists and try to recall how many times any of them played this season.
Gerard Carey
53 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:08:42
I think Jags is out of order if he thinks the season was not too bad. We have had two terrible seasons, not just the last eight weeks. And a good cup run used to be getting to the final and winning it.

Sure we need new players in, it should happen every season, to keep things fresh. What we need most of all are winners, players who really get the club, like Tim Cahill or Peter Reid. To have that desire to win every game and then do something about it.

I think the most important thing is our new manager and him being in place sooner rather than later. If his appointment drags on to after the Euros, it will be a mess again and we will be playing catch up.

Jags was an okay player, not captain material though. Not only him, but we had too many players when it came to important games like a cup semi or final, be it FA or League Cup or knock out stage of Europa they failed. Happened under Moyes too.

Finally, whoever we get as manager will have his work cut out to sort things. That's why I hope we get Jose or Koeman. If we still think we are a big club, a sleeping giant, we need to think big and act big.

Darren Bailey
54 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:17:37
I agree with John #33 – this has been coming for ages. This squad isn't aging, it's aged! Past it's sell-by date.

Howard (gone), Hibbert, Gibson, Pienaar & Osman (out of contract) have a combined age of about 200 and it's about time they went. Oviedo, McGeady, McAleny, Kone & Niasse aren't good enough.

Barry has been great this season, player of the year, but I don't see him having as much game time under a new manager, but I think he should stay for the last year of his contract. Great role model for the younger players and would be a good addition to the coaching staff later on.

Rom will leave no matter who takes over but I harbour hope Stones and Ross will stay given the obvious change in direction the club is going in.

That's 11 players off the books which leaves us very short but we have Garbutt coming back from being on loan and the likes of Browning, Galloway, Pennington, Davies and Dowell knocking on the door. I'm not saying they're going to replace the others I'm just saying the right manager will intergrade these youngsters in and I feel the right man to do that is Frank De Boer.

He has a track record of utilising youth players, is obviously out of work and will be a great fit for us. Add to that we've already been linked with Cillesen, Veltman, Bazoer & Milik all from Ajax who could follow him and would be great additions.

This is a good thing and this summer is vital. First thing is getting the right man in.

John Louis Jones
55 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:25:32
David #41

I am only quoting the papers, they will be a transfer kitty Martinez wasted £60 million on 4 players.

you would expect to get a min of £60 million for Rom and Stones if they both have a decent Euro's

I think the biggest gift to a new manager is a £20 million plus surplus on player wages.

Tony Abrahams
56 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:32:43
Off topic, but lets just pray that Manuel, can get one over Mr Faulty, tomorrow night in Basil!
Derek Knox
57 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:45:21
Maybe, he has inside knowledge of who the new manager is going to be.

If it's Moyes, then I think there will be a massive fan exit too!

Maybe, it's just speculation, apart from the obvious few, who need replacing, the younger more talented players, ie. Rom and Stones, how can they say they want to go without even knowing who the new boss is going to be for sure?

I just hope this is going to be the start of a long awaited revival, no more false starts and piecrust promises!

Nathan Rooney
58 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:51:48
I am overjoyed that there will be a massive clear out Skipper, and so should you be? To be honest, if Martinez had anything about him it would have occurred sooner.

The comment about the squad not being big enough is a bit naïve for such an experienced pro, as we can be sure there will be incoming transfers, plus the promotion of some of the youth team members to first team duties (Davies, Connolly, Dowell, Kenny and others).

I will be more than happy that a few of the so called established players won't be around stinking out the place any more, after the performances of some of them this past season.

I for one cannot wait to see more of Dowell and Davies and their cohorts from the youth side in our first team, as opposed to Gibson, Pienaar, Osman, McGeady etc. How Martinez did not include these lads, and other youth prospects, earlier last season continues to rankle.

You can also add Galloway, Holgate and Garbutt to the list of players who should be seeing more 1st team action next season, as hopefully the new manager fully assesses all options before spunking any cash, so the clear out/squad size worries are unfounded for me.

As others have mentioned, the skippers last comment about the season being not as bad as made out is shameful for a captain of Everton FC, and sums up the widespread acceptance of average/survival and plucky little Everton garbage, that we have had rammed down our throats since the ginger snake was in charge.

Peter Morris
59 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:58:43
It was a bad as all that mate, honest, I sat through it all. It's not just about the final league position, it's about the frankly criminal losses or draws in games which should not have ended like they did, time after time after time. If we didn't have so many points in the bag by Christmas, we would have been threatened big style with the drop and in 2016 calendar year, I think we were certainly one of the 3 worst team in the Premier League. It could be worse, we could have been relegated, but it can't be much worse can it?
Clive Rogers
60 Posted 17/05/2016 at 09:59:47
Kenwright keeps hanging around like a bad smell, but he is good at self preservation. I am sure that as part of the takeover deal he will have it in writing that he stays on as chairman for a certain length of time.
Martin Nicholls
61 Posted 17/05/2016 at 10:04:03
Peter McHugh#20 has covered all aspects and is spot on. Many others have reiterated some or all of the points he has made. I would add that whilst Jags (and maybe others) feels that reaching two semis is a sign of success, meek capitulation in both nullifies any such feelings. The season's performance can be summed up in one word - shameful.
Mark Andersson
62 Posted 17/05/2016 at 10:08:44
Moyes just might get the job to up clean the shit Bobby left. If he does, that's me finished after 55 years
Dennis Stevens
63 Posted 17/05/2016 at 10:28:40
Even as things stand we need to recruit as good a 'keeper as we can get & a quality left winger/midfielder. However, many of those at the end of their careers / contracts have not been first team regulars this season & their replacement by some of the younger fringe players is an improvement that should actually save money. Beyond that, it's mainly a case of whether we lose any other players, such as Lukaku, Stones, Barkley - if their isn't a quality replacement coming through the ranks then some of the incoming fees will have to be reinvested. Although I expect the squad to look quite different next saeason, I'm not sure if I can see us bringing in 8-10 new first team players. I suspect 3-6 is more likely, & the upper end of that only if we see the departure of any of the players mentioned above.
Ernie Baywood
64 Posted 17/05/2016 at 10:39:12
Dave, so how would you describe the first half of the season? I described it as "decent". We were scoring goals and playing well, even though the inability to close out games was frustrating. As Craig says, we were within a few points of 5th around the end of the calendar year. I think "decent" is a reasonable description. Personally I was frustrated but still thinking that if we could stop throwing silly goals away then we could make Europe. I wanted a new manager but there was still some room for optimism.

The second half of the season was "horrendous" by any measure. The wheels came off spectacularly and rightly cost Roberto his job.

Now I never supported the appointment and would happily have seen him gone at any point in the last 18 months, but there's no way our early season form would have seen him sacked.

Frank Thomas
65 Posted 17/05/2016 at 10:58:31
If FDB comes in I think he might have a similar management style to Klopp 'if you want to be here great let us see how good you are if not then go we only want the best here'. However you are not going cheaply.

I still don't think Moyes should come back because he betrayed us twice. Once in his last season when he announced he was leaving with several key months to go. When we lost against Wigan in the cup we did not play like Moyes's Everton he had already mentality gone. He had given his word saying if we qualify for the CL then he would stay difficult to do that when he had given his word to Sir Alex.
The other time was the Rooney deal a player and his agent play golf with a rival manager !! He could have had Sir Alex severely fined for breaking the rules on tapping up.

FDB seems like a decent person who is giving Ajax enough time to find a new manager and we get one without paying compensation for him.
We could recommend a previous Scottish manager to Ajax.

FDB would look at previous injury layoffs so maybe only Osman would get a new contract.

Nick Bower
66 Posted 17/05/2016 at 11:06:02
Having just witnessed them disappear down the plughole, I am very worried that we too might be heading down the Aston Villa route of optimistically overrating our kids, and thinking that they will have the talent and abilities to scrape the necessary 40 points together. We need a manager and players tried and tested at Champions League level in this next phase. NSNO!
John Pickles
67 Posted 17/05/2016 at 11:06:37
We need to keep Stones during this transfer window. Due to the last 6 months, his current market value is going to be below what it will be if we get a manager who understands the concept of defence.

Also Niasse has been written off too quickly and will have a poor sell-on value. Get him fit (another Martinez weakness), give him a run of games, then we will see if he is any good.

Mark Pendleton
68 Posted 17/05/2016 at 11:12:14
Some harsh comments about Jagz here. I think he'd be questionable captain material if he was quick to slag off Martinez. As for players leaving well, yes, it's inevitable that...

Howard (gone)
Hibbo, Ossie, Pienaar, Gibson (as good as gone)
McGeady, Kone (should go)
Niasse (unlikely he'll prove his worth)

I don't think Jagz saying "they" is anything to do with him being off and I think he's still a lot to give EFC. None of the above leaving weakens us really as, Howard apart, they've not really contributed hugely this season in terms of appearances.

Hopefully we've not seen the last of Stones and Rom, but i'm more relaxed about any players leaving now because firstly we'll get good money for them and secondly i'm confident any incoming cash would now be reinvested. The choice of new manager may mean they stay, maybe not, but if we play the right way and make some good additions we won't be as reliant on Rom that's for sure.

A new keeper, right back competition, striker (maybe two), central midfielder and maybe left sided midfielder, plus integration of some of the promising talent we have coming through (Davies has surprised me with the impact he's had) and I think we have cause for optimism. Could get all of those players for less than the £100m banded about with some relatively shrewd additions.

As for the manager, well, I don't like Mourninho but he would certainly raise the profile of the Club. I don't think he'll join though, although if he had any balls it'd be the perfect challenge for him. Koeman would be hard to prize away from Saints, but FdB has a good profile, decent background and I think could be worth a shout. He has no less experience really than Koeman when he took over the Saints.

Of course, if there could also be a state of the art waterfront stadium within the next 3 years or so rolled in...!!

Steavey Buckley
69 Posted 17/05/2016 at 11:22:42
Nothing can happen with regards to the squad until a new manager is appointed. Until then, everything is in a state of limbo. The quicker he is appointed, the better for Everton in the short-term and beyond.
Brian Foley
70 Posted 17/05/2016 at 12:09:51
Anthony Hawkins (#19) glad you weren't picking the captains of teams or countries beginning with England in 1966 then!
Anthony Hawkins
71 Posted 17/05/2016 at 12:46:11
@ 69 Steavey Buckley - That's not completely true. Players can leave if their contracts expire prior to the new manager arriving.

The team needs a clear out but it can't all be done in one go. Spurs tried to replace Bale with 7 new players, which failed. There's a lot of deadwood in the team but letting too many go without the funds to buy quality replacements will leave the squad threadbare. I'm not suggesting carrying players is a good thing but sometimes it's a necessity until the money and right player come along.

I hope a top manager comes in and is given the full support needed to make the necessary changes to the squad. There will be a period of change and probably some upset but that may need to happen for the good of the team.

Roger Helm
72 Posted 17/05/2016 at 12:54:38
Agreed Nick 66 we can't rely on our youngsters on the basis of one good performance in a dead rubber against a poor side.

Unless they are like Rooney, who was a grown man at 16, (I heard he could have played at 14 were there not a law against boys changing with adults), they need to be introduced very carefully. So in view of all the departures (many of whom should have gone ages ago, or never come in the first place), we will need a big recruitment; fortunately we can afford it.

As the summer will be a hugely transitional period, I think we need an experienced coach who knows his way round the EPL, not a newbie or a youngster. Mourinho, Koeman, AVB or Pelligrini for me, not deBoer (I have seen enough possession-based football) or Howe. Benitez is experienced, but can he be trusted to spend wisely, after his Liverpool days?

Mike Allison
73 Posted 17/05/2016 at 13:17:04
I think Gavin at (3) is the list to work with. 7 of those we want to leave, and some don't need replacing. I also think McAleny is done. Niasse I'm leaving to one side as he's his own discussion. Lukaku needs to stay, Stones should stay if he's actually going to be coached to defend properly and not take stupid playground risks on the ball. If those last two leave, then obviously it needs to be for huge money and serious replacements bought.

That leaves us needing a goalkeeper, and wanting upgrades in several other positions. Left side attack should be the main priority. Everyone else I'd keep, and there look to be about five or six youngsters who can be the back-up.

If those seven leave, we'll still have a squad of;


Coleman, Connolly, Kenny, Holgate
Jagielka, Stones, Funes Mori, Browning, Pennington, Galloway,
Baines, Oviedo, Garbutt

Barry, Besic, Ledson
McCarthy, Cleverley, Davies

Deulofeu, Lennon, Mirallas
Barkley, Shani Tarashaj, Dowell

Lukaku, Niasse, Rodriguez

If you look down the left hand side, the starting XI doesn't change much at all, its the injury prone and ageing back-up that's going. So all in all, I don't see this as a massive shake-up on the field, more a clear out of natural wastage. Incidentally, I'd keep Hibbert and Osman as coaches immediately if they were willing to hang up their boots. I think its right to have them in and around the club, especially working within the academy.

The rest of who we should buy can be a fun discussion, but it shouldn't be founded on the premise that we desperately need a huge overhaul.

Paul Thompson
74 Posted 17/05/2016 at 13:30:34
I don't care what Jags thinks of this season – it's gone, move on.

As Euegene (#49) says, the rest is fairly obvious. The combination of ageing players reaching end of contracts, some 'stars' wanting to leave and a new manager with a big budget means major upheaval.

Our usual incremental change model, though sensible, is not an option. A big set of changes is a risk, but we don't have much alternative. Strap yourself in for a bumpy, but hopefully interesting ride.

Dave Ganley
75 Posted 17/05/2016 at 13:31:46
Ernie #64 I thought I was pretty clear in how I found the first half of the season....pretty dire football wise with a couple of decent wins against Southampton and Chelsea.

To say we were only a few points off 5th is pretty misleading to be honest. We were as close to 5th as 17th. At the turn of the year we were in 11th place. In fact we were as many points off 4th as we were to relegation.....not good. It's no good saying we showed flashes because football is a 90 minute game....something we struggled with for 2 years.

In my opinion it's been a very poor season, same as last season. Not nearly good enough for Everton Football Club. For people in the club to keep going on about two semi-finals is quite frankly, possibly poor. Semi-finals win nothing and Jags is doing the club a huge disservice trying to point to that as being half-decent... especially given the rubbish opposition during those cup runs.

Sorry Ernie, I don't see anything worth shouting about in the last 2 years let alone this one. If we ever want to be among the trophies again then we need to recognise the season for what it was – awful tepid entertainment-free dross from which we got exactly what we deserved... nothing and a sacked manager.

Tom Bowers
76 Posted 17/05/2016 at 13:39:19
Nothing new about what Jags says. We all expect a clearout of old, redundant and sick note players as well as those possibly seeking bigger pay packets and Champions League. We will all have our different opinions of who those players will be and some are quite obvious.

The possible emergence of the Under-21s is mouth watering but of course we cannot be carried away on the assumption they will make an immediate impact. Tom Davies could be something special but sometimes young prospects don't make the next level as we have seen from many Everton prospects over the years.

Also, room will have to be made for new signings and the big question will be the Lukaku situation. If he does go, will Niasse step in and do a good job or will the new manager prefer to change the style to one of playing without a big target man.

Quite a few teams are finding success hitting on the break, preferring the ball along the ground or over the top for speedier players to run onto à la Leicester. Lukaku will always score goals but lacks the all-around mobility of a Harry Kane or Aguerro.

Bill Gall
77 Posted 17/05/2016 at 13:42:38
The major player in this upcoming season of change will be the new manager, he is going to be the person who will determine what type of player he wants, and if he wants to keep a couple of the senior players to help him in the transition.

Whoever the new manager may be, he has to be brought in as soon as possible, this will allow him to start bringing in players he believes he will need, and give him time during pre-season games to assess what he has, and what he may need before the season starts, with time still left in the transfer market.

We have to have the new manager in as soon as possible, but at the same time appreciate that it may take time for the club to do due diligence in picking the correct manager.

Ian Burns
78 Posted 17/05/2016 at 14:12:55
Jags has got the OFM disease! He needs to see the doctor and get some rest!

The list of players to go as per Gavin - 3 - is fine by me - nothing surprising in the list and we are all expecting Lukaku and Stones to move on.

The youngsters coming through with a few of the remaining experienced players but inevitable (hopefully) replacements in goal; centre back; midfield and striker will be enough to see us anticipating a much improved season ahead.

On the manager front I believe EFC are waiting for Koeman who in turn is waiting to see what sort of budget Southampton set for him for this coming season. He earned 1m less than OFM last season, so a move in personal financial terms would be attractive!

Kristian Boyce
79 Posted 17/05/2016 at 15:34:52
Everyone is posting that Stones & Lukaku are gone, but I'm not too sure. Both players suffered a huge dip in form, coinciding with the team's poor performance. Neither player finished the season smelling of roses. I think that the negative exposure both the players received over the course of season lowered the stock of both of them. While the club is going to keep the mooted values (40-50M) for each of them, I can't see clubs coming in for them. Out of the two, I think Lukaku would be the one who would find it harder to find a club. He end of season dip came roughly about the same time he was 'bigging up' his Champs League hopes. If anyone was looking at him after that point, he was more like a Championship player. I would say his notorious agent may have difficulty finding a buyer at 50m for him or even at half that price.

I also think the both of them maybe holding out to see who the next manager is going to be, before making any push to leave the club. This would be especially true for Stones if a defensive savvy coach was brought in. After Martinez's defensive shamble, Stones looks a fraction of what his potential is. Bringing someone who can get him back on track maybe the reason he would want to stay. The same goes for Lukaku. If he has a manager that would build a team around his strengths, which hasn't been the case for the last 3 years. He could be a 30 goal a year striker.

Mike Hughes
80 Posted 17/05/2016 at 15:39:43
Well at least it promises to be an interesting close season for once.

The wreckage of the Martinez era is retrograde but does offer a big opportunity if the club get things right.

At least we won't have Mr Snake Oil spending the dosh.

(On another note, I'm surprised Laudrup isn't higher in the betting given some of the other names thrown in. Not saying I want him - but would take him over DM or MON for example).

Fran Mitchell
81 Posted 17/05/2016 at 16:05:04
Out Goes Osman, in comes Dowell. Out Goes Gibson, in comes Ledson. Out Goes Hibbert, in comes Kenny. Add Davies, Williams, Walsh and one of the young strikers. Pennington, Browning and Galloway also to get a falir few chances.

Our youth set-up should mean our fringe players can be let go without needing spend big to replace them, nor have big wages.

Our summer transfer activity can focus on key players: Goalkeeper, Left Winger (Creative midfielder - Pienaar's long due replacement), Striker (2 should Lukaku move on). We also should look for a top class center midfielder to take over from Barry.

William Cartwright
82 Posted 17/05/2016 at 16:13:15
Sometime rising out of the ashes is easier and faster than turning around a history of tepid form. Whether it was the players operating in a de-motivated mode, or Roberto's being blinding arrogance or a mixture of both, we have reached a nadir and from here the only way is up.

My preferred option would be to keep Unsy with Joe Royle just behind and whispering in his ear at appropriate moments.

Simultaneously clear out / clean up the squad with judicious buys, with Stones and Lukaku leading the charge. If they don't like the option then fine use their sale income to strengthen appropriately and also invest into the stadium via an international architectural competition to explore all alternatives. As an architect myself I know we have only just scratched the surface on that subject.

Generally the pulse of the Club does not necessarily need the sudden influx of a outside enforced managerial shift. Although if it happens I would understand and support the concept. I'm also a big fan of Mourihno (have I spelled that right?) but as with everything there are risks, and he does have 'form' . . . .

I just liked (no loved) everything I saw on Sunday. The sense of unity, relief, and that with the combination of a bedrock of key first teamers, young bloods and well selected additions, the future does look really good without Roberto. Recovering from his malaise the only really is up, up and up again.

Geoff Williams
83 Posted 17/05/2016 at 16:17:45
I do think too much emphasis is being placed on the age of players rather than on performance over the season. Jagielka and Barry have been two of better players this season whereas Stones, Barkley and Lukaku have overall disappointed. Having said that I agree with the majority on the necessary changes to the squad. We have too many injury prone players who have offered very little over the past two seasons and with their contracts up it is a good time to say thanks and good luck to them. A local lad like Osman surely can make some contribution to the development of the young talent. If other players want out then get shut of them. Get the chemistry right.

We need a goalkeeper, a centre back, a goal scoring midfield player and a striker. I am convinced that with a good manager and coaching team the players will develop and the team will be successful.

Terry White
84 Posted 17/05/2016 at 16:28:52
Fran (#81), don't forget Holgate and Connelly at the back. We have a lot of potential there if it can be brought along and assimilated with other experienced heads.
Garry Corgan
86 Posted 17/05/2016 at 17:02:07
The last bit about "this season hasn't been as bad as some have made out" really irked me.

Phil, you saw what happened to the last guy who wouldn't admit his failings. He also believed the season was better than it was. Get with reality or you'll be next to fall on your sword, fella.

It's a poor captain that doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the fans.

Paul Conway
87 Posted 17/05/2016 at 17:07:43
Personally, I think Besic is overrated, like a lot of our players. He has been with us over two seasons and I am still waiting for him to fire.

I remember waiting around 15 months for Koné to get fit... and for what? We waited another 3 or 4 months for Niasse... same story.

We have a mix of damp squids and very average players. there needs to be a wholesale clear-out of these players who can't fart higher than their arses!

Bob Heyward
88 Posted 17/05/2016 at 17:20:24
Don't care who goes, as long as it is on the new manager's terms.

Vital to get this appointment sorted out now - recruit a good, winning manager and we may just keep Rom and Stones, whilst upgrading the journeymen (Gibbo, Kone etc) and inept (Niasse)...but only if we sort this manager situation out ASAP.

Les Netherwood
89 Posted 17/05/2016 at 17:39:39
You sound almost like Martinez here Phil, a lot of excuses and good cup runs.....the truth is most of the performances were terrible.

We need new players who will move the ball quicker and not be looking backwards all the time, we are rid of Bobby brown shoes, now lets get rid of his way of playing.

It should be an interesting close season.

Steve Brown
90 Posted 17/05/2016 at 18:00:10
Given the season we had, it's better to focus on who we'd want to keep from the first team squad. Excluding the youngsters, here is my list:

Robles, Coleman, Jagielka, Stones, Funes Mori, Baines, Barry, McCarthy, Deulofeu, Lennon, Mirallas, Barkley, Lukaku, Besic.

Given Stones/Lukaku will both leave, that means we are left with 12 senior pros.

Jay Harris
91 Posted 17/05/2016 at 18:04:30
I am starting to worry that Jags statement has a ring of what Moyes said recently.

It seemed to me that Baines playing within himself and Jags unavailablity except for the semi might have been the final up yours to Martinez who had made it perfectly clear since coming he did not want anything associated with Moyes as part of the club.

I hope this is not another smoke and mirrors effort by Bill to get his mate Davey back in.

Stephen Brown
92 Posted 17/05/2016 at 18:06:29
The evidence so far in Niasse is terrible but considering he cost 13.5m (and I can't see us getting any of that back if we sell) surely he needs to be persevered with for longer.

Naismith was ridiculed when he first arrived but ended up making a useful contribution! I'm sure there are other examples too!? I don't think we can right off 13.5m despite Moshiri's millions!

Colin Malone
93 Posted 17/05/2016 at 19:49:44
I would keep Gibson, only 28 years old, great vision. Might suit another manager who likes he's team playing the ball forward instead of square and backwards. Its injuries that have stopped him.
Pat Kennedy
94 Posted 17/05/2016 at 20:03:35
You sometimes feel that footballers have shit for brains. If Jagielka had any sense he'd shut the fuck up and concentrate on getting fit and impressing the new boss.

Talk about stating the bleedin obvious. Of course there will be a clear out (and not before time too) of dead wood and those wishing to ' better' themselves. If JS & RL want to go -fuck em and get rid. If some soft shite is prepared to pay silly money then take it.

This club needs a shake up on and off the field. Whatever happens we need a new captain because PJ is about as inspiring as a brick. Solid but no leadership skills. We need a Peter Reid type to show some bite.

I'll wait to see who we get as Manager before I get excited about who we recruit. Let's hope sanity prevails and it's not David Moyes Mark 2.........with BK in the discussion process you can't totally rule it out!

Mike Oates
95 Posted 17/05/2016 at 20:08:15
There is far too much positivity about the kids. I'll be surprised if more than one/ maybe two from Connolly, Ledson, Davies, Dowell, Kenny, Holgate, Rodriquez, Walsh, and Pennington actually male first team regulars.

It's an absolute shambolic situation we find ourselves in with at least 5-6 players finishing their time at Goodison due to age, injury prone or just not good enough and possibly 2 or 3 moving on because they don't see success at Everton for another 2-3 years or so.

I think only De Boer will actually want the job to allow him to test himself in the PL , forget Mourinho, Koeman, Rafa, they will all realise the poor situation we have here.

We might have £100m to spend and a possible new ground in a few years but we don't have a decent foundation to build on. There are huge gaps in the key positions, goalie, centre halves, midfield and nothing at all upfront once Lukaku leaves.

Mike Allison
96 Posted 17/05/2016 at 20:11:38
Colin I understand what you're saying in terms of his ability, but he's 28 years old and has never, ever played anything like a full season. 17 league starts in his last 3 seasons combined. Let's move on.
Tom Plant
97 Posted 17/05/2016 at 21:40:33
A summer of big change, so getting the right structure is imperative. Why get sucked in to going down the "glamorous" foreign manager route when we already have a team of capable Evertonians at the club who would jump at the chance to take the club forward?

Jose is unlikely but could easily unsettle the club and waste the outstanding talent coming through the ranks; De Boer and Koeman could be successful but I wouldn't be convinced. I would like to see us restructuring with an Everton boot room headed up by Unsy as head coach with a continental technical director bridging the gap between the coaching team and the boardroom. The role would involve transfer dealings, PR, media,and consultancy with the coaching team.

A top ex player with some coaching/management experience at club and/or international level would be needed. This would need to be an appointment to raise the profile of the club worldwide and would lessen the pressure that is always but on one mans shoulders when appointing a standalone manager.

Think outside the box and go for a Seedorf, Canavaro, or maybe Juergen low or even Pellegrini and let unsy run first team affairs. This will ensure the golden crop of young players will get their chance and we can build a team with a strong local identity whilst still attracting some top talent from around the world.

Andy Crooks
98 Posted 17/05/2016 at 22:05:53
Sadly, Geoff, # 83, age is relevant. Barry and Jagielka are unlikely to be as good next season as last. Two of our better players are nearly done.
Jamie Crowley
99 Posted 17/05/2016 at 22:19:42
I think Mike Green (37) brings up an excellent point regarding the "we vs. they" vernacular.

Whereas Jags didn't graduate from the Dale Carnegie School of Business - he is a player and not a "suit" - he really should know enough to phrase sentences in terms of "we".

His "they" choice of words might be telling. Then again it might just be a player not thinking before he speaks.

For me, I get the distinct impression Jags has lost a bit of the "we" mentality. And that's not a good thing.

A complete overhaul of the squad is needed, and I'd include in that anyone not on the "we" bandwagon.

We need every player - new recruits and signings as well as chiseled veterans - to have the mindset of "ra-ra-team!" this upcoming season or we could really be in for a world of shit. They have to pull together as a unit.

Saying "they" is an implied adversarial relationship in my opinion as anyone associated with the Club surely is part of the collective.

Very interesting point Mike Green! One simpler minds as mine didn't notice at first glance.

Jack Convery
100 Posted 17/05/2016 at 23:00:43
I have said it before EFC is a company where different parts sing from a different hymn sheet. The fact that the likes of Pienaar were left wondering if they were getting a new offer or not tells me that parts of the squad at least felt like those at the top of the company didn't care any more. Maybe Moshiri came in and put every thing on hold or RM couldn't make his mind up about offering certain players new contracts. Whatever went on the playing staff to me have looked like they've been p doff for months and now given Jags interview it wasn't just with RM and is managing of the team.

Just a thought - after being told for most of it not all of the season we had the best squad for a generation how come it now needs dismantling ? Just a thought.

Mike Allison
101 Posted 17/05/2016 at 23:15:16
No Jamie, no. In using 'they' he's clearly talking about specific people who make decisions. He won't make those decisions so 'we' would be entirely inaccurate and inappropriate.

I know it's been a tough season but rarely has so much nonsense been talked on ToffeeWeb. 'We should get rid of our captain because I interpret his syntax thusly'? I said it elsewhere and I''ll say it here. Some of you have gone mental, go and have lie down.

As a general rule, the recently recurring thread where people get really angry because a player said something is not a useful one. Usually the angry person has chosen the worst possible interpretation of the interview and in some cases they read things that aren't there.

It reminds me of an old internet viral 'from men to women': "if we say something that can be interpreted in two different ways, and one of those ways makes you angry or upset, we meant the other one."

Eric Myles
102 Posted 18/05/2016 at 05:52:49
Jack #100, I don't see it as the first team being dismantled, just natural wastage of the fringe and injured / older players.

Of the first team regulars maybe only maximum 3 will leave, 2 of whom have openly made it known for some time they want away, and the other put in a transfer request.

Ian Hollingworth
103 Posted 18/05/2016 at 12:53:39
Good, as we need a major overhaul of the playing staff.
Peter Larkin
104 Posted 18/05/2016 at 13:12:51
Okay, so there's been a lot of talk about who is leaving Everton this summer, we all know the names so I won't bother typing them. Seeing that big Rom's Dad has been chatting about his son leaving before the Euros, my worry is, who are we going to get to replace all these out goings?

So we are rumoured to have circa £100 mill to spend; let's say Rom goes for £60 mill, that's £160 mill before wages get freed up by the non-playing staff, Pienaar etc. Who the hell do we buy? West Ham, for example, have had too bids of £30 mill for that French striker and £25 mill for Matt Richie and Calum Wilson. That's £55 mill!! And the window hasn't even opened yet!!

We basically need a new spine to the team, right back, left winger, playmaker, and two strikers, that's a lot, a hell of a lot to do in a few months, not to mention we have NO manager! I'm trying not to panic just yet but when you throw in all clubs will have about the same money, not to mention the mega rich teams, and then the London factor in the mix, I'm wondering where is all this talent going to come from? And why would they come to us? Reassure me blues.
Milo Gould
105 Posted 18/05/2016 at 16:58:21
A great article from Jags, he sounds like he will be a good manager one day,. He spoke the truth, nice to hear that.
Jamie Crowley
106 Posted 18/05/2016 at 21:16:40
Mike -

I'm not mental... It was an interesting dissection of word usage I found fascinating and having some merit.

But I definitely need a lie down.

James Hughes
107 Posted 19/05/2016 at 08:11:45
Gossip Pages on BBC carry a tweet from Times journo Rory Smith saying Unai Emery wants to talk with Everton
Andrew Ellams
108 Posted 19/05/2016 at 08:28:08
James, I saw the Rory Smith story yesterday. I think we need to think beyond what Sevilla have done in the Europa League though. As great an achievement as that is, what is his record in the bread and butter of the league? There isn't great competition in Spain outside of the top 3 so are Sevilla making a good job of competing with the best of the rest as it were?
James Hughes
109 Posted 19/05/2016 at 08:51:16
Andrew I am no stato. so all I can say is a quick look at the BEEB and Sevilla finished 7th (that's Phil W. happy) this season and they lost 7 of the last 10 league games.

And this article


Andrew Ellams
110 Posted 19/05/2016 at 08:58:17
Sky Sports has said today that he plans to stay at Sevilla as long as they want him.

I think we will get Frank De Boer but we need to sort it out ASAP so the players know where they stand.

Brian Harrison
111 Posted 19/05/2016 at 09:03:58
I see the Daily Mirror are saying that Koeman will turn Everton down and wait another season with the Arsenal job possibly being available.
Maybe a journalist just speculating, but the clock is ticking, and with the Euros this year the new man needs to be in place sooner rather than later.
Although its more important that they get the right man. With the possible sales of Lukaku and Stones bringing in close to £100 million, then we need someone to spend that money wisely.

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