Sense over sentiment should preclude Rooney return

The Prodigal Son's return seems almost pre-ordained to some Evertonians but the club should resolutely look forward as it seeks to realise Farhad Moshiri's vision

Lyndon Lloyd 22/02/2017 233comments  |  Jump to last
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We Blues can be a sentimental bunch. We've always retained an attachment to our own, particularly home-grown players living the dream of playing for their boyhood club as well those whom we have adopted as Evertonians through their feats on the pitch or attachment to Everton FC.

Perhaps it's a consequence of the fact that the Premier League era has been such a struggle for Everton as we have tried and thus far failed to drag ourselves back into the elite of Englands' clubs that we have treasured players who have symbolised that battle or simply provided moments that hinted at what could be again for one of the country's sleeping giants.

In both of those respects, Wayne Rooney's relationship with supporters who watched him fulfil the potential he showed as a prodigious talent in the club's academy is as complicated as any. Regarded as the best youth product of his generation and a Goodison legend in waiting, he left Everton before he had turned 19.

His departure for Manchester United in 2004 was controversial, confusing, painful and bitter and over the past 13 years, Blues fans have watched the kid from Crocky, who had an Everton flag hanging in his bedroom window, carve out a glittering career at a former peer club and achieve everything in the game we all hoped he could with us.

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History has, of course, shown that in terms of a cold, hard calculation for his career, Rooney's move to Old Trafford was undoubtedly the best decision he could have made. As much as it pains Evertonians to admit, he could never have achieved even a fraction of the success he has enjoyed as a Red Devil had he remained a Toffee.

Indeed, it is believed that the eventual £27m Everton received for him helped stave off financial ruin and the continuation of a trophy drought extending back to 1995 would seem to confirm that if it was silverware he wanted, he was better off playing under Sir Alex Ferguson. Might he have helped steer the Blues to a cup win at some point had he stayed at Goodison? Perhaps, but the club's underlying financial and commercial problems would have precluded any lasting success and, perversely, the team did better in the first season without him, coming within a Collina calamity of making the Champions League group stages.

Until now, of course, which is why, with his Manchester United career seemingly winding down, talk has resurfaced that Rooney could make a long-mooted return to his first love if he isn't tempted by almost unimaginable riches reportedly on offer in China. To read the thoughts of some on social media, for example, not to mention tabloid press reports, you would think it was a natural and foregone conclusion to a long and storied career in which he has become not only the top goalscorer in United's history but England's as well that he should return home to Everton.

Evertonian attitudes towards Wayne have undoubtedly softened over the years. The bitterness that manifested itself in vitriol on fan websites and graffiti bearing the legend, “could have been a god, chose to be a Devil” and that was rekindled during his infamous badge-kissing celebration at Goodison when he scored his first United goal on his old stomping ground in the face of boos from the stands has dissipated. To the point where he was welcomed back for his re-appearance in Royal Blue for Duncan Ferguson's testimonial 18 months ago.

That doesn't mean he would be universally accepted should he come back — there will always be a core who will never forgive him for leaving — but even if he were, would it be wise to sign him? After all, we're talking about a player who turns 32 this year and who is no longer a guaranteed starter for the club that sits just one place above is in the Premier League table.

His loss of pace has seen him drop back from his typical role as a striker into a more withdrawn central midfield role and his effectiveness as a regular starter for his country has also been strenuously contested over the past 12 months, not least during England's disastrous Euro2016 campaign.

Even if he were to lop a massive two thirds off his eye-watering £300,000-a-week United salary — and to try to come anywhere close to matching his current wages would be unconscionable — Everton would still need to make him their most expensive player… or at least pay him a similar amount as that which is said to be on the table awaiting Romelu Lukaku's signature. For a player deemed “past it” by his current club.

In the short term, he could be an effective acquisition, and not just from the point of view of marketing and the (arguably) questionable notion of “putting Everton back on the map”. After all, he was — as embarrassing as it was to admit — easily the best Everton player on the pitch during Ferguson's testimonial game and even if he didn't start every game, he would improve the current Blues team. But for how long? And at what cost to, say, Ross Barkley's progression, because it is the place of another homegrown Blue diamond that a returning Rooney would most likely take.

To these eyes, the fear is that a returning Wayne Rooney would come “home” on huge money on something like a three- or four-year deal, have a positive early impact but wind up compromising his legacy by playing on when it was clear he was well past his best. Players who gave Everton the peak years of their careers and were vital parts of the team like Dunc himself, Tim Cahill, Mikel Arteta, Leon Osman and even Phil Jagielka have ended up, through no fault of their own — they didn't pick themselves — being the focus of some supporters' ire because of their diminished effectiveness as age caught up with them.

Ronald Koeman and Steve Walsh need to strengthen the team in the area of the pitch that Rooney can operate but with the feeling around the club being one of potential rebirth under that management team and both the ambition and resources of Farhad Moshiri, the emphasis should be on putting long-term pieces in place — younger, hungrier players rather than expensive, ageing additions that would seem to satisfy some seemingly pre-ordained return of the Prodigal Son rather than a dispassionate outlook on what's best for sustained success.

A Rooney reunion at Goodison would be a heart-warming end to his incredible career. Like Duncan Ferguson before him, it would represent for many the return of a Blue to the fold where he belongs. You can't help feeling, however, that if Everton are to achieve what Moshiri wants in the coming years, it's time the club looked resolutely forward and left such sentiment in the past.

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Stan Schofield
1 Posted 22/02/2017 at 20:47:24
I agree Lyndon. We're looking forwards, not backwards.
Douglas McClenaghan
2 Posted 22/02/2017 at 20:54:08
Absolutely. That train left years ago.
Jem Bir
3 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:03:15
Are you mad? At 31 he's still an excellent player and, if he did choose Everton, he'd be passing up crazy money in China. If he came it would be because he's, at heart, a real blue. That to me is worth a lot more than pontificating over the future of this club.

I've supported Everton since I can't remember. This club is about heart as much as head, and if Rooney's heart chose Everton over his pocket then we'd be blessed with a, fading, but committed talent.

Lev Vellene
4 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:09:05
If EFC was fighting relegation (like when he left), or was just doing what we did during Moyes' last years, I'd take him back with a big Hurrah when he chose to leave Man Utd! But now we are aiming to throw any of the reigning "Top 6" off their throne(s), and even his experience would not outweigh removing the chances of the still-hungries like Schneiderlin, or the fizzing youthful zest of the likes of Tom Davies, from winning themselves a place in the team.

So now, with our new, bettered hopes for future Premier League campaigns, I would not want Wayne Rooney back as a player. I'd love him in any capacity other than that later, though.

Steve Ferns
5 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:15:50
Rooney's return? Hmmm, let me think about that.

Would he get in the first XI right now? probably. If we play the 3-4-3 formation, with width from the fullbacks and two off Lukaku, as central attacking midfielders, in the channels, in the old inside left and inside right positions, then yes, Rooney and Barkley off Lukaku would be better than what we have.

But Rooney would arrive in the Summer at the earliest. As Lyndon says, he's not going to drop from £300k per week to less than £100,k per week. Would he agree a one year deal with an option (in Everton's favour) for a second term? Probably not. It would need to be a two year term with an option for a third.

So what's 34-year-old Rooney going to be like? as much as I want him back, I cannot see how, at his current rate of diminishing talent, that he will be anything like worth £100k a week. And therein is the bottom line for me. One a free, forget wages and the rest, yes, I would take him. But when you factor in we'd effectively pay him over £10M, I just cannot see how it would be worth it.

It's a shame, as he definitely looks done at united, and I think "coming home" could rejuvenate him, ignite the spark within him one last time and maybe get one last great season out of him, but after next year, at the age of 33-34, I just think he's done. He's a classic sports car with 500,000 miles on the clock. It's a beauty but it's just not worth the price tag.

Nick Armitage
6 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:22:56
He's finished. If we want to get back into the elite, their cast-offs won't get us there. The days of Moyes kissing the arse of Sir Alex to sign the likes of Phil Neville must be consigned to history. As for Rooney, fuck him.
Peter Laing
7 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:23:22
Rooney will do what he's always done and chase the money aided and abetted by his snake's oil of an agent. He shafted Man Utd twice over renewing his contract and will probably end up in China for 1 season on a reported £30 million salary. Not arsed to be honest; we have moved on.
Kevin Tully
8 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:36:59
The question is, can we recruit a player for £100k a week or whatever wage he would command who is better value than a fast-fading Rooney?

Well if we can't, then we really are fucked.


Chris Leyland
9 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:41:09
I'd only welcome him back if he paid the club £100k a week for the privilege of being able to play for us again.
Will Mabon
10 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:44:36
It's a sign of the times that this article speculates a wage of around £100k per week after the words "Even if...". Rooney has already earned in the tens of millions.

The honest choice would be between extending his wealth into the category of hundreds of millions via the China option, or taking the sentimental option by playing for free/expenses at Everton... all assuming he and the club would want him to play. That would be really "Giving back" to the boyhood club.

Much as I wonder and lament like many at what might have been, to bring him back to Everton on that kind of money would be an insulting nod to the business-first nature of football. Of course, the club would be quick to flog the merchandise in the same vein. Could we really stand the hypocrisy of the oily "Old boy" fest draped atop the obvious?

As covered above, let's move on. I doubt Rooney is of any use to us at this stage anyway. Five years back, maybe – but that was never going to happen.

Dean Johnson
11 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:44:59
Yep, past it definitely. I'm more sentimental about the club itself rather than former players. I always wish them well when they leave, but we should never sign a player that won't improve our squad, regardless of how we feel about them.
Paul Tran
12 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:44:59
The thought of this is sentimental nonsense. If Koeman was linked with a 30+ player past his best not fitting in one role or another, he'd be getting pelters on here.

It would be an expensive way of standing still. Let's go forward.

Peter Anthony
13 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:46:14
If Moshiri and Koeman really want us to be Winners again, surely they don't want a player no longer good enough to get into the starting 11 of another team of what are now also-rans.

Despite being a sentimental fool and an admirer if Rooney's talents, the head says: No way, Jose.

Joe O'Brien
14 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:48:07
Spot on, Lyndon. If it was going to ever happen it should have been last season even though I do think the move would rejuvenate him, but not worth the price tag of £100k a week.

I would take him back to coach the strikers though instead of Franny Jeffers (which I still find bizarre). I hated him leaving but didn't hate him for leaving; in that team he was in, he wouldn't have won much.

Craig Harrison
15 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:52:42
Maybe Bill can give him 1% of the clubs shares instead of a salary.
Darren Hind
16 Posted 22/02/2017 at 21:55:00
Pros 'n' cons fairly laid out, Lyndon.

Fair conclusion, too.

Jay Tee
17 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:10:53
Rooney back to Goodison? Not for me, thanks, his good days are over and he didn't want to spend them at Everton so we shouldn't let him see out his playing days with us.
Martin Nicholls
18 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:12:21
Jay (#17) – spot on.
Jay Woods
19 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:13:41
He only gave us his baby steps but now we're in line to take the zimmerframe wobblings as well?

No, no and no from me.

Ian Hollingworth
20 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:14:18
Problem is that this may be a business decision. In today's football world, Rooney back at Everton would be a commercial success.

It would also raise our profile that is not as high as we would all like to think outside of Merseyside never mind the wider football world. Rooney still is big news in the football world and the story of him returning to his boyhood club would be big news globally.

Might not be a bad thing so long as the manager was free to pick his best 11 and not be pressured to playing Rooney all the time regardless of form etc.

Garry Corgan
21 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:19:29
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Rooney doesn't deserve the opportunity to pull on a blue shirt again. I wouldn't care if he was 26 and in his prime. He had his chance.

He left when he was 18, giving his boyhood club fewer than two seasons before the riches and trophies up the A580 turned his head. Would it have killed him to give us two or three more years?

Wages, age, ability – all moot in my opinion. You don't shit on your own doorstep and expect to be welcomed home.

Alexander Murphy
22 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:20:42
"History has, of course, shown that in terms of a cold, hard calculation for his career, Rooney's move to Old Trafford was undoubtedly the best decision he could have made."

Nope, sorry Lyndon (much though I deeply respect your contribution to Evertonianism, and I do), I'm a stubborn old-style Evertonian. Alan Ball and Brian Labone "Once you have been touched" & "One Evertonian".

Wayne was, is and always will (to me) be our prodigal hero. WE sold HIM. But HE has paid the price, over and over and over.

Forgive him ?
He is the one who retains the right to forgive.

He kissed a foreign badge in retaliation for being sold out. I completely understand his frustration. Sold by the club he STILL adores. The club that his kids follow. The club that his kids wear shirts.

Wayne Rooney IS one of ours. He's broken their records and still they won't love him. I did, I do, I always will.

That lad would walk, nay CRAWL on broken glass for his Everton shirt.

Bring him home, he's been wrongly punished because our boardroom have been skimping tightarses for decades. Decades of barren hopelessness.

If Wayne wants to play in Royal Blue, he can. We sold out on him, not vice versa. All part of the "Plucky LITTLE Everton syndrome". BIG Everton would have had SUPERSTARS all around our wonderkid. That's not Wayne's fault.

Give him back his Royal Blue Shirt !

David Barks
23 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:23:14
Would he be a massive help in attack, supplying Lukaku? Yes.

Would he bring someone to the club with a winning mentality, who expects to win when on the pitch? Yes. C

ould the likes of Barkley, Davies, Calvert-Lewin and of course Lukaku learn from him? Yes.

Was signing Barry a bad move when he was no longer deemed good enough at City? Yes.

Would he right now be an improvement to the players we can put out on a weekly basis? Yes.

Mike Campbell
24 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:27:50
At 32 plus this summer, go to China, Wayne. Your Everton days ended in 2004; we are looking to get younger, quicker and you are no longer able to offer that.
Daniel Bagan
25 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:28:04
Ian (#20) – I agree with you 100%. I would take him back just on that basis, even if we get 18 months out of him!
Tony Beal
26 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:28:43
To be fair, he shouldn't need the money with his past deals and off the field sponsorships, unless a hair transplant cost far more than I imagine it does.

So, offer £50k a week for 2 or 3 yreas and build into his contract tidy bounuses for Champs League qualification and/or League Titles. Maybe, we'll have those 1 or 2 decent years... he'll redeem himself to all (most) blues and we'll be on route to where we want to be.

Most fans would be fairly happy with that deal for what he could bring on the pitch, off the pitch and eventually in the academy when 34/35. I also think Big Dunc being in the mix would help see it a worthwhile deal for all parties too.

I personally feel China wouldn't come close to a deal like the one mentioned above for him as he's always been a blue at heart. Anyway, what a predicament to have? Kooooman ya Blues!

Jon Withey
27 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:29:05
Man Utd have just signed Zlatan, well passed his best and he's been a match-winner for them. We have also benefited from Barry's swansong.

For silly money – no. But we'd be cutting our nose of to spite our face if we didn't consider something if it were financially viable – he now has all the experience we need and a good amount of the quality he always had.

David Booth
28 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:31:27
He offers nothing apart from his rapidly-fading reputation.

The mere fact he is who he is – or more pointedly, was – is ridiculous reasoning for having him back.

He's marginalised, redundant and past it.

What next, team him up with Ginola and Gascoigne in midfield?

This is forward-thinking, Koeman and Moshiri-driven Everton today, surely.

No room whatsoever for Rooney here.

Gavin Johnson
29 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:38:01
I'll have to differ. I think he will be a good signing. He could possibly be a free transfer because nobody is going to pay Rooney £250-300k a week, except a team in China.

If he was to sign for Everton he'd be on around £100k a week, which isn't that bad if got him on a free or nominal fee. One sure thing is we'll be the only club where Rooney would take that kind of drop in wages.

On a commercial level, it would be a step forward. Rooney is one of the biggest names in football. As a club we're trying to raise our profile in the world game. Didn't Man Utd make the transfer fee back on Pogba, on his and Zlatan's shirt sales?! Of course we wouldn't make anything like that kind of money, but I don't think Rooney would necessarily be a bad deal, if it's just a case of us paying wages in the region of £100k per week.

And most importantly, he's still a fantastic player. It's an unequivocal yes from me.

Alexander Murphy
30 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:38:41
Just as a consideration.

How many players do Everton currently have that are commercially BIGGER than Wayne Rooney?

Dan Doran
31 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:44:09
I think everyone here is forgetting one thing, Koeman said he'd love the opportunity to have Wayne in his squad. Anyone here think they know better than Ronald Koeman? Doesn't that fact that Koeman still rates him hold some weight with all the doubters?
Peter Gorman
32 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:47:04
Some blue-tinted spectacles on display here; Rooney was sold from under the club he adored? Please. He and his agent Stretford made that decision.

I think most fans would take him back if the wages were befitting a player so obviously past his prime but not to compete with the silly money he's rumoured to be expecting in China.

Would he turn down the offer of money for the sake of sentiment, I imagine you ask? Well, he has form for that, now doesn't he.

Trevor Powell
33 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:49:28
He has shown no real desire to return and seems driven on by the grasping Colleen and her desperate need for more millions in the coffers.

Despite him trying to court favour at testimonials, he chose to turn his back on his so-called beloved club and obviously believes he is wanted back even after cashing in on the China Syndrome.

On yer bike – or is it your Hummer!

Dan Davies
34 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:54:13
I'd tend to agree with David @ 23. Could be worth a two-year deal.
Trevor Lynes
35 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:54:39
Rooney was derided for leaving but never by me. He was playing in an old team at Everton and with ambitions to win titles and trophy's he made the best move for himself and his family IMO.

Footballers are contractors and his best way of fulfilling his dreams was to move away to brighter lights and virtually guaranteed success.

Fans who called him a traitor were wrong. Loyalty is a one sided coin when you are a contractor and every professional player would echo that statement.

However, I agree with Lyndon and do not want him back at this stage of his career. If we are to take anyone from the Manchester clubs then it must be someone with at least five decent years in him. I am tired of us taking the surplus stock, injury prone has been's just to get them off their pay rolls.

Saha was a fine player BEFORE he joined us, but he was very injury prone.Gibson has been a night mare signing and I was really relieved to see him head for Sunderland. Howard was a good servant for us and I exclude him from any blame.< Phil Neville was pretty moderate at his best.

Koeman and Moshiri are starting to play some youngsters and the fans ambitions have been raised so please do not lapse into taking players into their 30s who are showing wear and tear.

Eugene Ruane
36 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:56:54
Only two things should stand in the way of Rooney (or anyone else) joining Everton.

1) Does Koeman want him or not?

2) If he does, can we pay him?

Oh and 'sense over sentiment' is something I wouldn't worry about.

Koeman doesn't seem the type to begin weeping when a contestant on The X-Factor (holding back the tears) reveals "I've chosen to sing 'You Make Me Feel So Young' coz it reminds me of me nan who was savaged to death by 5 tigers after she fell into the big cat enclosure in Chester Zoo last year."

Mike Mulhall
37 Posted 22/02/2017 at 22:57:36
Undecided. I will leave it to Koeman... he seems to be doing okay without my advice.
Peter Gorman
38 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:00:59
Yeah but imagine where we could be with your advice, Mike.
Dean Adams
39 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:01:21
Is he better than what we currently have? Wages would be covered by his profile and endorsements would help our merchandise sales, if we get anything from them.
Stan Schofield
40 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:11:02
Mike, the opinions of us TWers is surely essential in addition to Koeman's opinion. I'm reminded of a poster I saw in a garden centre, which said:

A beautiful garden is the perfect example of God and Man working together in harmony. Mind you, you should have seen the state of my garden when God was doing it by himself.

Don Alexander
41 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:16:51
The rate he's visibly losing his condition, pace and skill cannot be ignored. Steve Gerrard would probably still be worth a place in Liverpool's side but he'd be way off what he used to be and for that reason alone Klopp would transplant his own head rather than sign him. I'd be incredulous if we re-sign him. He's no longer good enough and whether or not he has any coaching talent for the future is totally unknown.
Gavin Johnson
42 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:25:26
"He's no longer good enough and whether or not he has any coaching talent for the future is totally unknown".

Yes, Rooney would struggle getting a game ahead of the likes of Enner Valencia, Arouna Kone and young Calvert-Lewin, Don.

Phil Walling
43 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:30:38
He's still better than ALL that lot, Gavin, and would certainly win us more games!
Derek Thomas
44 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:34:01
Kevin @8; My head's with you – but, even with the best deal in our favour and the possibility of a sponsor to pay for it, etc etc. My heart is just over ruled by my head... I'd still like to see it though, even if it was against my better judgement. I just fancy being the one to make the decision on this.

Also; two things, would Koeman want him and/or would he want to come.

Peter Gorman
45 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:37:46
Good one,Gavin and Phil, picking as a comparison those three players who barely get a kick anyway. At least Calvert-Lewiun has a future in him.
Mike Mulhall
46 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:38:19
Peter (#38), that settles it mate, am officially off the fence. Dont touch him. Get younger, quicker, stronger.

I think this sentiment of getting him back because he is one of our own is a mindset we need to forget. He was, he left, he suceeded in another shirt and is now on decline. We have Ross and Tom Davies as our new era, lets embrace that and watch it grow and achieve.

This is a new Everton. I am not sure why but I was well impressed we sponsored The Open, haha!

Peter Gorman
47 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:41:39
That's the spirit, Mike!

And yeah, agreed. Let's look forward to the next Rooney. Stating Rooney is better than a stop-gap loan signing, a crocked bottle-blonde and a kid is not exactly high praise.

John Raftery
48 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:43:23
Little chance of this happening. There was no sentiment when he left us in 2004 and there should be none 13 years later. He will not take a drop in pay just to play for us and perhaps keep his England place. If as seems likely the Chinese make an offer which Rooney and his horrible agent cannot refuse we can forget about him coming back to Goodison.

On a hypothetical note had Alex Ferguson stayed a while longer as manager, Rooney would have been shown the door by 2014 when he might have been a more attractive, if still unaffordable, prospect for us.

Mick Howard
49 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:43:30
When Lukaku leaves in the summer, we need 15-20 goals a season. If Rooney plays as a central striker with all the play directed through him, not only would he deliver this but he will bring other players into the attack than we currently don't do.

To top that, he would bring an awful lot to the youngsters, coaching role or no coaching role, and watching him live my dream when he was a 16-year-old, it would be ace to see him back. Fingers crossed.

Mike Mulhall
50 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:47:08
No, he is better than what we have, but is he better than what we could get at the end if the season?? That's what I keep myself awake at night asking myself.

Terry Underwood
51 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:47:29
To all those who are slating the lad for moving where the money is... If a rival company to your present employer offered double or treble wages, would you agree to move? If not, you are either daft or fibbing.
Peter Gorman
52 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:54:30
Terry old bean, nobody is slating the lad, just making the same very obvious point that sentiment had no place in his decision to leave Everton as it shouldn't in our decision to have him back. And if past behaviour is any basis to predict the future, sentiment still won't play a part when he chooses to make more money in China.

And who would prefer he gets game time over Lookman?

Peter Gorman
53 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:57:34
Ok, some people are slating him.
Jay Harris
54 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:57:51
It's quite straightforward for me: Rooney has had plenty of chances to return but preferred to stay in Manchester.

Now, when he is no longer wanted by them, having given his best years, I would welcome him back as a supporter but as a player he decided to give his best to another team so I would not welcome him back as a player.

Terry, offer any Everton supporter £50k a week to play for the blues or £200k a week to play for Man Utd and I am sure the majority would want to play for the Blues.

Andrew James
55 Posted 22/02/2017 at 23:57:58
Rooney mentioned in an interview about 5 seasons ago that sometimes post match he struggles to walk. His body has taken a lot over 15 seasons.

Yet sometimes I've noticed when he's motivated he does get a few pounds off and is quicker. I suspect if he came to us now, we'd see him motivated like that and he'd enjoy the challenge.

All of us Everton fans would play for our club for the wages we probably earn now. So we all struggle to understand why a fellow fan wouldn't return for reduced wages when he is already made for life.

I think we should go in for him because it will bring in commercial revenue, be of benefit to the dressing room to have a winner in there, and he could be a great Captain. He cannot and must not play in the Barkley role but instead be back up to Lukaku or play as a deeper lying midfielder. He is that good a player that he doesn't have to be a striker.

But a caveat. We were conned when we sold him as we should have got such a better deal. Paying astronomical wages to bring him back just cannot happen because he won't play every game.

And for the fitness and financial reasons, mainly the latter, I doubt he will ever come back. Sad.

Clive Mitchell
56 Posted 23/02/2017 at 00:12:28
I've nothing against Rooney and for me he'd be welcome back at Goodison for the rest of his life. But in the stands, not in the team. Buying people whose best days are behind them has never worked for this club. Move on.
Jay Wood
58 Posted 22/02/2017 at 00:18:08
Thanks to Stan @ 40.

It was worth reading the thread for your poster story!

As for the actual topic – meh!

A thread which frequently resurfaces on TW every month or so, which as the years past diminishes in relevance as Wayne's own prowess also fades.

I hold no rancour with the lad. I didn't despise him at 18 when he departed. There were far larger predatory sharks in both camps who drove the deal more than the precocious cocky teenager from Crocky.

I don't begrudge him the monumental career he carved out for himself at Man Utd. Given his level and ability and the state of our club at the time, we were never going to see him play in the Royal Blue of Everton during his peak years.

His peak years are now behind him. The powers and edge to his game he had are diminishing. Yes, he is a better player with a winner's mentality than probably every player currently at Everton. However, there are other criteria which need to be taken into consideration, not those alone. Mere sentimentality should be way down that list.

As Eugene writes, for this to have even a sniff of a chance of happening, the 2 primary considerations are probably first, does Koeman fancy him? And he was quite clear a few months back when asked about the possibility of Wayne returning to Everton – Yes!

Secondly, is the commercial and financial question. And that, regardless of Koeman's opinion, is much more likely to skittle any deal. He is contracted to United until the summer of 2019. They won't give him away, least of all with the silly money Chinese clubs are paying. He can still command a premium transfer fee.

Add to that his astronomical salary and even in Moshiri's Brave New World (although still not much evidence of a bottomless sack of money being invested on the playing side...) I just can't see this as viable.

If we have the kind of money it would take to sign and pay Rooney, I think it could be better invested elsewhere in players.

Conclusion: don't blow a huge wedge of the player acquisition budget on the aging fading Rooney; find players 10-12 years his junior with the potential to take his crown as one of the world's most coveted players.

If only it were that simple.

Mike Berry
59 Posted 23/02/2017 at 00:22:57
We move forwards not backwards, we are Everton.

Wayne's signing would prove to be nothing more than a PR scoop.

In 5 years time, fans will not believe how far we have progressed from this thread.

Don Alexander
60 Posted 23/02/2017 at 00:27:00
Gavin (#42), he's better than all three but none of them are regularly playing for us, so if the idea is that he replaces one of them on the bench, fine. I was really hoping for a young talented thruster (or three), not an ageing, fading buster.
James Flynn
61 Posted 23/02/2017 at 00:42:03
We can't afford him, no more to it than that. If he leaves Man Utd, it's China or MLS; China for off-the-charts wages, MLS for at least what he earns now, plus a culture familiar to his family.

If he comes back in the next window, it's at a massive reduction in the wage he'd pocket just playing out his current one.

I watched him playing in Ferguson's testimonial. Goodison seemed delighted to see him back in Blue. But no denying he's past his best. The quickness and acceleration of old are gone.

He can play still, though. So, if he does come back in the Summer, it's because he wants to wrap-up his big league career at his home Club. Which should count for something.

Anthony Dwyer
62 Posted 23/02/2017 at 00:58:49
The only way Rooney works out as a deal for us is on a free on reduced wages of around £100k a week.

I can't see it happening.

Phil Jeffries
63 Posted 23/02/2017 at 01:13:09
With the fair play rules, we have to spend our money wisely. If we have better, younger realistic targets then of course they have to take preference. On the other hand, if Koeman can't find better quality and Rooney wants to come on to Goodison on reduced wages, I'll welcome him back to Goodison and trust Koeman's judgement.

We are talking about negatives but the one positives include his drive, leadership and determination to succeed. He would leave United with a point to prove that he isn't finished. If Koeman does try to sign him, it will be because of his ability and the fact that he is the best availble that we can sign, not a soppy 'Wayne's coming home' storyline.

I think it's probably not going to happen, but part of me hopes it does.

Drew O'Neall
64 Posted 23/02/2017 at 01:18:11

He would improve us NOW
He is on massive money
Any capital outlay would be lost
He will want a >2-year contract
He wants a last hurrah at EFC


Engineer a move to the US and return on loan to Everton in the first year's off-season, á la Frank Lampard.

Any questions?

Julian Wait
65 Posted 23/02/2017 at 02:17:53
I don't see this as being a positive move and "statement" would be negated by other factors as outlined by other above. Still no. And it will still be no in May, when it inevitably comes up again.
Steve Carter
66 Posted 23/02/2017 at 02:50:04
Like most, if not every, previous poster, yes, Lyndon.
Christopher Wallace
67 Posted 23/02/2017 at 03:47:38
I see the word "sentimental" mentioned quite a bit here, but I don't think he deserves that.

I remember the sheer excitement, when he burst onto the scene, of having a future club legend and potential world player of the year, with his whole career ahead of him.

Then he fucked off, having scored less than 20 goals, and achieving next to nothing.

What is there to be sentimental about? He decided Everton weren't good enough, and couldn't pay him enough, as he was entitled to do.

Now, he is not good enough for Everton (and we probably still can't pay him enough)! And stop with the "better than Kone" bullshit – I haven't seen it mentioned that he's available at the end of February.

This is obviously an area that needs strengthened but there are countless better options out there. Onwards and upwards.

He's had a great career, no doubt. He made his decision, and he should have to live with any regrets. I know he probably won't have too many, sitting in his mansion looking at all the zeros in his bank account. I say "regrets", knowing that most of the guys on here would cut their own arm off to be good enough to earn a living playing football, let alone starring for the Toffees every week.


Stuart Gray
68 Posted 23/02/2017 at 03:48:11
I remember when Zola joined Chelsea, he was deemed past his best, but he ended up being voted their best ever player!

Indeed, when they were on the way up, they had a habit of buying has-beens who did a very good job for them.

Is Rooney past his best? Probably. Has he really fallen that far that he wouldn't dramatically improve us both on and off the pitch? Doubt it.

Imagine the impact it would have on the young players to see a football legend entering the dressing room. And imagine what his experience could do for the club.

It's a no-brainer for me.

Barry Williams
69 Posted 23/02/2017 at 03:53:58
An interesting one this, I think it is best to take a dispassionate point of view!

Firstly, he would have to take a significant wage drop. His wages would still be massive, but if he did this he would show that he still has a passion for the sport, which could only be beneficial. On a business front, he would raise Everton's profile and help sell more merchandise!

From a footballing point of view, despite his age, it would make sense. He can play in midfield, he can play upfront and he has a wealth of knowledge to offer. He wouldn't have to be a starter every game (if he could accept that!) I think he would compliment the youngsters coming through instead of blocking them , that is down to how the situation is managed!

More importantly, would he improve the squad? Yes, in my opinion, but for how long for?

The contract would be interesting too. How long would be acceptable and what would he accept? Would a 2-year contract be okay for all parties? Could he be sold for a nice profit in the 2nd year!? Who knows?

As mentioned, we could get a younger quality player for the wages we paid him, but how much would the fee be for that younger player compared to Rooney's fee?

However, I think it is all academic as I think with agents involved, he'll be offski to China for one last swansong and who could blame him? Pressure free, loads of cash and an easier time of it!

Christopher Wallace
70 Posted 23/02/2017 at 03:57:09

Rooney isn't as intelligent, or technically gifted as Zola.

While Rooney could make an impact, the real question is "can we get better?" for the reported £100k per week (which he'll probably turn his nose up at anyway, greedy twat).

I'd rather get a proven goal scorer, and promising youngster, than waste money on Rooney.

Stuart Gray
71 Posted 23/02/2017 at 04:09:32
Christopher, you don't get much more proven than Rooney (England and Man Utd's record goal scorer!). And technically Rooney is excellent.

I'm not saying it would work, I'm saying we'd be foolish to turn it down if it was an option. No player as good as Rooney will come to Everton until the likes of Rooney come to Everton.

Christopher Wallace
72 Posted 23/02/2017 at 05:01:25
Rooney is no longer a striker. We need a striker. No-brainer.

I don't want us to sign a payer as good as Rooney currently is, I want better... much better.

Will Mabon
73 Posted 23/02/2017 at 05:04:49
If Rooney as a fading force still has so much to offer in terms of leadership, experience, winning mentality, influence on younger players, coaching potential, effects on club profile as a record scorer, commercial benefits, and everything else... why do the team in essentially the same league position as ourselves, no longer want him?

Could it be a bigger club mentality?

George Stuart
74 Posted 23/02/2017 at 05:28:17
Couldn't agree more, Lyndon. I forgave Wayne ages ago. He was 18 after all.

The sad thing about all this is that the Mancs hardly hold him in any high regard anyway. Yet he sacrificed himself for the club, constantly playing out of his best position so that less adaptable superstars could grab the limelight.

I also think his goals-to-game ratio is amongst their best, maybe even better than Charlton's. They should thank him wholeheartedly.

I do hope to see him back at Goodison soon. In the stand with a blue-and-white scarf on and his kids by his side. I'd even go the pub with him, if he shouted his round.

Now, as an Aussie, who the hell has been criticising Saint Timmy?

Barry Williams
75 Posted 23/02/2017 at 05:29:00
Will Mabon (#73),

I can see your point, but Man United are a bigger club and have more players of Rooney's ilk than we do. So in order to get to Man Utd's level we have to do it step by step.

I would say our standing has gradually increased over time. Under Moyes, players stopped leaving in droves and the likes of Arteta gave us many seasons instead of abandoning ship. Since then we have come on further, we are able to keep hold of the likes of Lukaku, or tell clubs no sale if the an offer doesn't suit us, á la Stones/Chelsea! We now have a chairman with finances /business know how/connections in place! These things don't happen overnight.

My final point on the matter is, what top players would join us at this exact moment and why would they join us? I am all for a big club mentality, again it doesn't happen overnight.

Christopher Wallace
76 Posted 23/02/2017 at 05:46:29
I'd like us to sign a pacy predator like Gameiro, Lacazette, Hernandez or Mertens. Rooney is finished as a striker, and our midfield is quality.

I do crave a creative player, one who has enough pace to also play wide if needs be. Again, not Rooney.

Will Mabon
77 Posted 23/02/2017 at 06:02:04
I understand, Barry. My point is that Man Utd will carry no passengers and neither should we. They only keep players of any age that still perform or provide cover, I don't need to name them. Of the younger ones, Depay... out. Martial... teetering.

There was a time that we had to operate in a more constrained and humble manner, and either cheaper players or those at Rooney's stage of career were mostly the only choice available to us. That mould was broken with the purchase of Lukaku.

We're of course not at United's level of "Bigness". Nor are we a million miles behind them on the pitch with what we have right now; a team of more younger players than before, and potential growing nicely in the background. We should only consider Rooney if we need Rooney... and we don't.

I doubt Rooney's presence at this stage would draw top players to us. Only a gradually improving stature as a club and whole team will do that (plus the dosh for wages of course). That gradual growth should be based on players for the longer term, IMO.

Stuart Gray
78 Posted 23/02/2017 at 06:04:31
Christopher, I don't disagree with what you want to achieve, I just think Rooney gives us more chance to achieve that. Having Rooney in the squad will only make it more likely that we can attract better players.

I'll go back to Chelsea, it's what they did. We have no other chance of signing a player of Rooney's stature. Regardless of what anyone thinks of him, the are very few players in world football with his reputation. That alone makes it a no-brainer. But I also happen to think he isn't a spent force.

Fredrick Parchment
79 Posted 23/02/2017 at 06:29:54
I personally would have Rooney back. IMO, I believe Rooney would return to help bring us to the next level, alongside Lukaku.

But wait – how old is Zlatan Ibrahimovic? Played 24 Premier League games... scored 15 goals to date.

I would love to have Rooney up to that age producing those type of numbers. Title winners very possible with Rooney back.

John G Davies
80 Posted 23/02/2017 at 06:36:23
One of the best I have seen in a blue shirt.

We are past signing him now. Maybe a year ago when we were still being run as a sentimental lovely little club...

Now Koeman and Moshiri have us run as a professionally run club, it won't happen. Koeman will have Man Utd in his sights as one of the clubs we can compete with positionally next season. If he's not good enough for them, he's not good enough for us.

Andrew Leverton
82 Posted 23/02/2017 at 06:37:39
Would we all love him again?

If he went to play in China and donated all his proceeds to the stadium project...

John Keating
83 Posted 23/02/2017 at 06:48:15
If Koeman sees a place for him after all talks, moneywise, contract length etc have been discussed, I think he would come back. If Moshiri can persuade Koeman to use him, then commercially it makes great sense.

Me, right now, I'd have him back in a heartbeat. He was outstanding in Ferguson's testimonial and he has forgotten more than most of our present squad will ever know.

Back in a blue shirt, knocking one in, I doubt even the most ardent anti-Rooney squad would moan.

Christopher Timmins
84 Posted 23/02/2017 at 06:59:02
I don't think a move to Everton is really on his agenda; the guy has been able to obtain improved contracts during his career and will achieve this again when he moves to China, sooner rather than later I suspect.

He could do a job for us short term but, in all honesty, there are better options out there at the moment. His best years are behind him and have been for the past couple of seasons.

Dan Egerton
85 Posted 23/02/2017 at 07:32:32
I'd like him back, but it won't happen. Koeman is a stickler for supreme fitness and Rooney no longer fits that bill. Even if he was fit, Rooney wouldn't get a game ahead of Lukaku or Barkley and his high wages couldn't be justified in a 'second fiddle' type role. He'd turn into another Darron Gibson.
Christopher Wallace
86 Posted 23/02/2017 at 07:34:40

Zlatan at 35 is far better than Rooney at 31. Wayne has looked off the pace for a few years now, and rarely ever plays as a striker due to this.

Rooney has 2 league goals this year, playing with very creative players. Our right back has double that figure.

He's not dynamic enough for our midfield, he's too slow to play up front, and he's too greedy to settle for £100k per week.

Colin Glassar
87 Posted 23/02/2017 at 07:56:52
He's on a slow boat to China with his fat, greedy agent.

A year ago, I would have loved a Rooney return to Everton but we've both outgrown each other now. He loves the big money and we have bigger ambitions than he does.

Andrew Clare
88 Posted 23/02/2017 at 08:05:16
No, thank you.

An aspiring club wants top class young players to achieve their ambitions.

We want speed, skill and agility.

Fredrick Parchment
89 Posted 23/02/2017 at 08:11:50
I believe Rooney is being coy. He has become Man Utd's all-time leading scorer. (You know Man Utd fans don't like that much).

I believe in the testimonial he played quite well in our colors. Under Koeman Rooney will become better than Zlatan when he reaches 35.

Rooney/Lukaku 1, 2 punch up front, in conjunction with Koeman correctly pointing out that, no goals scored against, guarantees 1 point. What's not to like, if it were to happen? This is fairy-tale stuff, he comes back better than ever.

In the last 6 or 7 years of his career, he becomes Everton's all-time leading scorer and helps lead us to 5 League champions titles and 3 European Champions titles, 4 FA cups and 3 League Cups. What a way to end a career.

It's what I'm thinking smoking this blunt from across the pond in the U S of A. Howdy there, partners.

Alexander Murphy
90 Posted 23/02/2017 at 08:13:34
Stan (post number 40): Utter genius, mate.

That reminds me, must shove me Dad out into the garden, it looks a right flaming mess! Raining? Well he's not made of sugar, is he! If I hear about his darned arthritis one more time.

Hasn't slowed down Gareth Barry has it? Honestly, eighty five year olds.

Christopher Wallace
91 Posted 23/02/2017 at 08:15:46
Haha – I like your optimism/delusion, Frederick!
Fredrick Parchment
92 Posted 23/02/2017 at 08:18:59
Thank you, Christopher (#91).
Paul Doyle
93 Posted 23/02/2017 at 08:22:27
Do I want him? – No.
Does he deserve to come back? – No.

However, he would be a mug to turn down £3M a month in China, there is only so much curry half-and-half even he could eat, but the greedy fat headed twat would give it a good go, I reckon.
So, Wazza, the sooner you fuck off on the slowest of slow boats to China, the better (for your bank balance, that is).

Mark Stone
94 Posted 23/02/2017 at 08:23:43
'If EFC was just doing what we did during Moyes's last years, I'd take him back with a big Hurrah! But now we are aiming to throw any of the reigning "Top 6" off their throne(s)'

League placings in Moyes's final seasons:
2013: 6th
2012: 7th
2011: 7th

Current league position:


Liam Reilly
95 Posted 23/02/2017 at 08:28:20
I harbour no ill feelings towards him, but his time has passed.

We need to look forward now. Let's see if any of the other top 6 are in for him; I suspect not.

Ed Fitzgerald
96 Posted 23/02/2017 at 09:03:14
Rooney will follow his one true love, money to China, guided by his iniquitous mentor, Stretford. There is a good reason why the Man Utd fans aren't enamoured by Rooney and that is he was prepared to jump ship to Man City for £300k a week until Man Utd coughed up.

He has been a good player but, as many have said on here, he is declining rapidly and hasn't been a regular starter at Man Utd for a good while. We need every penny to try and keep Lukaku for a while longer if we are truly ambitious, rather than break the bank for the ageing granny chaser.

Phil Martin
97 Posted 23/02/2017 at 09:15:55
We should show Rooney the same sentiment he showed us 14 years ago.
Dave Abrahams
98 Posted 23/02/2017 at 09:24:03
Wayne Rooney was one of the best players I have ever seen playing for Everton. I loved him while he was here, defended him when he left, and have done since but I wouldn't sign him now because his best days have gone and we can get better players for less money.
Eugene Ruane
99 Posted 23/02/2017 at 09:28:21
"HOW DARE ROONEY HAVE LEFT US AND WON LOADS OF STUFF AND BEEN DEAD SUCCESSFUL AND HAVE LOADS OF FUCKING MONEY AND LIVE A DEAD GOOD CELEB LIFE IN A BOSS HOUSE WHILE I... DON'T!! Well... no.. . what I'm saying is... er... I don't think he fulfilled his potential and think he's lost his pace, or... something."

(Whenever the subject of Rooney comes up on TW, I learn nothing about the player, but a lot about some posters.)

Ray Roche
100 Posted 23/02/2017 at 09:28:55
So, if we signed Rooney on daft money what would happen?

It MIGHT improve peoples awareness of Everton, we MIGHT get some revenue from shirt sales etc., but not enough to cover his wages and Ross would probably play second fiddle or, worse, be sold off to finance Rooney's signing and wages. Are we building a team or bringing in players past their sell by date? Why not make an offer for Lampard?

In 12 months, Rooney would be a latter day Kevin Campbell, great in his first season (saving us from relegation, virtually single handed) and then a not so slow slide into the lumbering, plodding player he became as age caught up with him and the crowd got on his back. What a surprise...

Not for me, thanks.

Simon Jones
101 Posted 23/02/2017 at 09:31:33
If we could have him for a month then yeah, what a great signing in terms of shirt sales and all that, but I can't see the current management set up wanting him.

Because he started playing first team so much earlier than his peers, then the natural wear and tear makes him more like 34 years old, plus, he's never struck me as a natural athlete, unlike, say Giggs. So in the next couple of seasons I think he will actually struggle in most Premier League teams due to the pace of the modern game. I don't think we'll ever see a Jan Molby figure standing in the centre circle spraying passes.

And to anyone who suggests that going to China makes him a money grabbing so-and-so. If someone offers crazy money to do a job that you can easily do, then wouldn't you be mad not to take it?

Christopher Wallace
102 Posted 23/02/2017 at 09:32:28
When Rooney burst onto the scene with Everton, my mum used to say to me "He'll be off to United soon" and "with his physique, he'll be finished by the time he's 30".

She was saying these things to wind me up, as I was filled with excitement for the first time in years... turns out she was almost spot on with both predictions!

Keith Conchie
103 Posted 23/02/2017 at 09:45:33
He's way past his best, and we don't need him.

He moved on from us many years ago now, and we've moved on from him.

No bad feelings towards him at all, but if he's not good enough for Man Utd then he's not good enough for us. Simple as that.

It's onwards and upwards for EFC now, not backwards.

Steve Higgins
104 Posted 23/02/2017 at 10:07:10
I agree with you Lyndon. It would make as much sense for Rooney to move back to Crocky. The day before my son's eighth birthday Rooney signed for Man Utd. We had managed to get an Everton shirt signed by Rooney and despite his transfer, we gave it to my son, who didn't seem to fully understand what had happened. We realised that the penny had dropped when the pictures of Rooney which had adorned the walls of my son's bedroom had been torn down.

I remember too well the media campaign to get Rooney to Man Utd. Even BBC Sport (years before it relocated to its spiritual home) joined the Murdoch propaganda machine in campaigning for the transfer. It was, you see, for the good of the English game. Rooney could only blossom in the Garden of Eden.

Moreover, the Caledonian Merlin was the only man who could harness and augment the magical powers of his raw apprentice.

I remember a Red Gerbil neighbour, a man in his 40s, taunting my son that his club had got our man. And the icing on the cake is that, in my opinion, Rooney never truly fulfilled his potential. The old wizard used Rooney like a stable boy, cleaning up the manure left by Madeira's answer to My Little Pony.

Our family sat in the Gwladys for Duncan's testimonial. If you spotted the only four people not giving Alderley Edge's finest a standing ovation as he ran onto the pitch, that was us.

My little son cried bitter tears all those years ago. Rooney and Stretford pissed themselves laughing, all the way to the bank.

Tony Sullivan
105 Posted 23/02/2017 at 10:08:52
As the lifeblood of the club, we, as fans, have no say in any decision regarding Rooney.

However, it would be very interesting if he did come back (particularly on these pages).

Martin Nicholls
106 Posted 23/02/2017 at 10:10:54
With "sentiment" being one of the two quoted motives for a possible return of the prodigal son, I'm surprised that no-one has speculated on our very own luvvie's thoughts on the matter.

I can just imagine BPB dreaming of a swap deal involving "bringing our Wayne home" (together with a load of dosh) and moving Rom and/or Ross in the opposite direction! Prior to Moshiri's involvement, that (in my view) would have been a real possibility!

Steve Riley
107 Posted 23/02/2017 at 10:13:31
Keith #103.. "if he's not good enough for Man Utd then he's not good enough for us. Simple as that."

Yeah, just like Schneiderlin.

Let's not forget he's playing under Mourinho, a manager who sold Lukaku, Mata, De Bruyne.

He would be a great addition to our squad and would be a great foil for Lukaku who would love playing alongside him.

You're probably talking around 10 goals and another 5 or 6 assists.

The fans aren't paying his wages, let's not worry about the cost of it. Barkley, Lookman, Mirallas and Lukaku need competition.

Kunal Desai
108 Posted 23/02/2017 at 10:18:41
If this is to be the dawn of a new era at Everton Football Club, competing for top honours including finishing in a Champions League place, then we will need to be competing with those six clubs above us for the best players around the world. Sadly Rooney is not going to elevate the club forward.
Ed Fitzgerald
109 Posted 23/02/2017 at 10:19:48

Not everyone aspires to be a multi millionaire, live like a celebrity etc. People are contributing to an article about Rooney and commenting about that; pretending to deduce more than that about posters is a little silly.

He is a talented sportsman whose career is coming to an end... err, that's it.

Anyway I've got to dash as my chauffeur is getting agitated as the Bentley has been revving up for 5 minutes now.

Phil Martin
110 Posted 23/02/2017 at 10:35:55
Eugene – you know the square root of fucking zero about "some posters".

Rooney won more at Man Utd than he ever would at Everton. He also earnt more money there, than he ever would've at Everton. I don't believe he would have been better off in any sense in the last 14 years, had he stayed at Everton. That pains me to say it given we were once peer clubs.

However I can't forget the manner of the exit, the badge kissing, the goading. He laughed in our faces at Goodison.

From a footballing perspective, I don't think his wages and fees would be good value. We already have a local lad who's slightly overweight but supposedly serves that creative function behind Lukaku. I don't think we need another older, more expensive model (albeit more decorated). We're two years late to really get the benefit of Rooney.

Finally Everton FC need to stop being the comfortable pair of slippers before retirement for ex Man Utd players. If we ever truly want to be great again, let's stop signing their cast-offs. [Schneiderlin aside.]

James Newcombe
111 Posted 23/02/2017 at 10:51:13
No thanks. Nothing against Rooney, but luckily we don't have to be seen as a retirement home any longer. The likes of Gazza and Ginola trotting about picking up a wage still lives in the memory.

Also I've seen that some are making the laughable comparison with Ibrahimovic, and that Rooney will be able to perform well into his 30s. I daresay he has never looked after himself to the same level as Zlatan! He'd have to cut his wages to £50k to make it even a 'maybe' in my mind.

Matthew Williams
112 Posted 23/02/2017 at 11:02:42
He's still the type of player who can bag that crucial winner in tight away games... like at Anfield!

Come Home, Wayne!!!

Eugene Ruane
113 Posted 23/02/2017 at 11:15:40
Phil Martin # 110 - 'Eugene - you know the square root of fucking zero about "some posters".


Well let's see shall we..

Let's have a look at a quote from...Phil Martin!

'However I can't forget the manner of the exit, the badge kissing, the goading. He laughed in our faces at Goodison.'

Can't forget the manner?

I'd reckon I'd be fairly accurate in saying this poster would be the type to hold a grudge.

And to be childishly one-eyed – ie: Rooney kissed his badge in response to him and his family being given dog's abuse by 39,000 people, but the poster ignores that completely.

And I think it's fair to suggest ('he laughed in our faces') this poster is an over-dramatic tart, simply looking to put the boot in and have a good oul vent again.

I'll further suggest that, even in the face of this clear evidence that (based on their posts), I DO know something about some posters, they would all refute this.

Now go on, refute away and tell me again how I know 'fucking zero' about some posters.

Brian Harrison
114 Posted 23/02/2017 at 11:17:34
Lyndon, quiet Wednesday so post an article about either Martinez, Moyes or Rooney... and hey, bingo – a minimum of over 100 posts! Well, if nothing else, it will keep the advertisers happy.

I think all subjects have been done to death, and everybody responds in the same way every time. The only thing that is different is the date at the top of the page.

James Morgan
115 Posted 23/02/2017 at 11:46:03
Gavin (#22), no, Man Utd wouldn't have made a fraction of Zlatan's and Pogba's transfer fees in shirt sales. It's a silly myth.

As for Rooney, it's a No from me.

John Daley
116 Posted 23/02/2017 at 11:56:19
"WE sold HIM. But HE has paid the price, over and over and over. Forgive him? He is the one who retains the right to forgive."


"That lad would walk on broken glass for his Everton shirt."

He wasn't willing to walk on a slightly less luxurious shag pile to stay in an Everton shirt for a few season's more (or countenance a trophy cabinet containing nothing but cobwebs to continue to cross his gaze), but now suddenly he's prepared to go all John McClane to get one back? 

'Walk over broken glass'? 

Why, surely he should crawl? Then you could tell us he'll be spurting 'blue blood' from his shredded feet and hands next, like a fat Smurf struck by stigmata. 

Phil Martin
117 Posted 23/02/2017 at 11:57:56
Wrong again, Eugene. Even with selective bold fonts for added emphasis.
Rob Dolby
118 Posted 23/02/2017 at 12:01:38
In the history of the game, has anyone returned to a club and been better than the first time?

I was made up when we got Andy King back only to realise that he was nowhere near the same dynamic player that he once was.

Terry Curran was unbelievable on loan then awful when he signed on.

Duncan wasn't great 2nd time around. Franny Jeffers was a shadow of his former self. HK II and III were never the same as HK I.

I am pleased that England's leading goalscorer is an Evertonian. I am also pleased that a scouser is the Man Utd all-time leading score and Evertonian to boot but I don't want him back here as he wont be the player he was.

Kevin Tully
119 Posted 23/02/2017 at 12:03:05
I think it's safe to say Rooney would be our highest paid player if he did return. Would that be a good deal for the club? I doubt it.

Maybe Koeman will look at it rather differently though. The wages may not bother him one bit. All the manager may look at is another option on the pitch. Even if it's just for one season, Koeman may believe it to be a great signing.

Personally, I think his return could prove a huge distraction, with the likes of Davies being demoted to the subs' bench to make way for the prodigal son. If Man Utd are prepared to let him go so readily (there is talk of him even being paid to leave because of his massive wage) then surely that tells it's own story?

Unless he is in peak condition, Rooney can be very ordinary. He can no longer beat a man with pace, and his decline is sure to be rapid once he isn't training to 100%. I really think we could do better.

John Daley
120 Posted 23/02/2017 at 12:07:57
Christopher (@102),

Your mother was way ahead of the curve there and clearly has a much better shot at a pension supplementing punditry gig than my own old queen who (possibly) said something along the lines of:

"Dirty bugger will probably end up parked outside the Bingo. Window down, Billy Ocean's 'Get Outta My Dreams, Get Into My Car' blasting away, with the biggest bifta I've ever seen in my life hanging out of his gob and a beckoning hand that looks like it belongs on a fucking hobbit. Pretty sure he'll call me "preciousss" as I walk past and then say something to Rita about sticking his finger in an ancient ring as well."

God bless her cynical, bitter, old soul.

Eugene Ruane
121 Posted 23/02/2017 at 12:13:47
Ed (#109) John McClane 'Eugene Not everyone aspires to be a multi millionaire, live like a celebrity etc.'

Says 'everyone' from the safety of knowing it'll absolutely never happen.

"I'll never get me hole off Shakira? Not arsed, wouldn't WANT me hole off her!"

'People are contributing to an article about Rooney and commenting about that, pretending to deduce more than that about posters is a little silly.'


Think you mean some people are; other people (for the hundredth time) are simply using it to vent.

Brian Furey
122 Posted 23/02/2017 at 12:16:52
I haven't read all 119 posts but how about we sign him on a 3-year deal and then after next year we sell him to a Chinese club for £60M? That way both he and the club have their cake and can eat it.

I presume Wayne still has some feeling towards the club and having lived his dream at Man Utd he wants to give something back to Everton.

So why doesn't he sign for us for 2 or 3 years at low wages with the knowledge that he will then get his massive move to China to retire there a rich man whilst making his favourite club a nice deposit for their new stadium? Everyone's a winner.

Paul Birmingham
123 Posted 23/02/2017 at 12:17:03
For me, it's too late and Father Time waits for no player, regardless of their loyalties and achievements.

If one day he done his badges then I believe he'd be a good coach and has a wealth of experience and perhaps that would be the fit. Good luck to him in wherever he goes.

We must focus on this season and get focused for Sunderland. Moyes and Defoe will be out to make a point, so we can't get complacent.

Eugene Ruane
124 Posted 23/02/2017 at 12:33:42
Phil (#117) – 'Wrong again Eugene. Even with selective bold fonts for added emphasis.'

Ah, that's something else I know about some posters.

When they focus on style rather than content, that's often the white flag.

Guessing if you'd lived in 1650 and some monk wrote a letter giving you down the banks for knowing fuck-all about the signing of the Treaty of Breda by Charles ll, your response would have been...

"Why doth thou alwayff begine each new payge withe a maffive big letter?"

Jonathan Tasker
125 Posted 23/02/2017 at 12:38:31
Zero chance of him coming to Everton.

The agent will see to that.

Ian Hollingworth
127 Posted 23/02/2017 at 12:40:42
We all have our views but I do not believe we can call into question his ambition. Multiple medals, goal scoring records for club and country etc etc. Christ how we would love some ambitious players in our current team.

Everton needs a Wayne Rooney more than Wayne Rooney needs Everton. As for the clubs ambitions? frankly most of us are reading what we like into that and hoping for the best but a Wayne Rooney could well propel those ambitions of the club.

Tony J Williams
128 Posted 23/02/2017 at 12:58:13
Could have stopped reading this after the 7th post from Peter.

Glad I didn't, as I would have missed the garden quote and the interesting post numbered 64... that's one worth thinking about.

Christopher Wallace
129 Posted 23/02/2017 at 13:00:54
John and Eugene bringing some much-needed comedy to affairs...

Keep 'em coming lads!

Peter Gorman
130 Posted 23/02/2017 at 13:05:46
I wonder, do people actually watch Rooney play these days? He isn't that good anymore, regardless of his stature in the game. Christopher Wallace @86 damns the poor lad with the facts: he just isn't the player you remember from Man Utd of yore let alone for us.

The idea that his mere presence in the dressing room would provide season-changing inspiration is also somewhat wishful-thinking given that the same alleged inspiration has done sweet FA for the young England players in every tournament it copped a mention. Same goes for Old Creasehead for that matter but the less said about him the better.

In the same way we debate endlessly about the value of an absolute trooper like Gareth Barry occupying the same midfielder-shaped hole as a young thruster like Davies, I can't see the merit in playing a mutton-dressed-as-offal Rooney ahead of Lookman or indeed any other potential prospect, signed or otherwise.

Anthony Hawkins
131 Posted 23/02/2017 at 13:06:32
My answer remains a 'No'.

Leaving the money discussion to one side, Rooney could still do a job for Everton and he would arguably get a starting position in the team for the remainder of the season. He'd also add a level of drive and experience which has been severely lacking in the team.

My concern is what happens next season? Rooney's legs have gone. He's lost any element of pace he used to have. He also sits between the #10 and the Striker. That means covering the same ground as Lukaku and, arguably, Barkley. So Rooney returns and he's quickly becoming an injury risk, which is normal for someone playing as long as he has. Barkley and other midfielders become disillusioned by Rooney's return and their lack of playing time. It also slows their development. Do you anticipate our midfielders being happy to stick around to get playing time or will they look elsewhere?

Rooney returning will disrupt the team in a negative way and, for that reason alone, I don't want him to return.

Craig Walker
132 Posted 23/02/2017 at 13:07:59
A part of me would like it to happen but it never will because of Rooney's and his agent's greed. He was still the best player on the pitch against us in the semi-final last season and he's the best Everton player I've seen in my 40 years of supporting the Blues. I despised him when he left but I've mellowed with age.
Matt Hunter
133 Posted 23/02/2017 at 13:20:21
No, no, no and no again. Left us in a mess, people forget what went on that summer.

Also, he is on the way down I want players who are on the way up. This isn't a retirement home. We don't need him slowing the play down.

Not an Evertonian, I am a Evertonian and I wouldn't walk in front of the disabled row in the paddock kissing a Manchester United badge.

Ed Fitzgerald
134 Posted 23/02/2017 at 13:28:17

Your second point is fair – maybe SOME people are using this to vent their ire about Rooney – but, given the title and and the article posted by Lyndon, I would've logically expected this to be the case wouldn't you?

I wouldn't claim to know anything significant about any of the posters based on their responses to this thread. It's not like anybody has posted a treatise on the sociology of celebrity culture, have they?

Not everyone is envious of the rich and famous. I can think of nothing worse than having my private life publicised and being hounded by the press etc. I don't think being mega-rich makes those individuals any happier than an average Joe or Joanne who earns enough to support their family and live healthy purposeful lives. Poverty is no virtue but neither is paying someone £300k a week for playing football.

Julian Wait
135 Posted 23/02/2017 at 13:31:12
Good article in the Grauniad
Stan Schofield
136 Posted 23/02/2017 at 13:31:35
Some cracking repartee on here.

The gardening quote #40 was actually from a garden centre. I wish I could take credit, but I can't. In fact, I wish my repartee was as good as the stuff on this thread. I had a recent discussion with some mates about who we thought was the greatest master of quick repartee, and we considered George Bernard Shaw, Winston Churchill, Lee Mack, Oscar Wilde, et al. Honours went to Oscar Wilde, because of the following brilliant example:

He was the star of dinner parties in the 'Bloomsbury set' in London, with his rapier-like wit. His main competitor was Lord Shaftesbury, another brilliant wit. However, whenever both were at the same dinner party, Wilde always managed to surpass Lord Shaftesbury, generally out-witting him. This culminated in Lord Shaftesbury becoming very frustrated at one such party, every great witticism of his being surpassed by Wilde.

Suddenly, after another fine maxim from Wilde, Lord Shaftesbury turned to Wilde, and said, "Mr Wilde, do you spend ALL your time making meaningless retorts"? Well, you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. But quick as a flash, with no hesitation, Oscar Wilde turned to Lord Shaftesbury, and said, "My dear Lord Shaftesbury, why don't you just fuck off"?

Quick repartee!

Ben Howard
137 Posted 23/02/2017 at 13:33:47
It's a big yes from me.

He would give us much-needed attacking options. Alternative to Lukaku, striking partner, No 10, wide attacker, midfielder... He can play them all.

He's a leader. Look at the difference a little bit of nark can have. The kids have recently shown a winning mentality that has been sorely lacking, getting in the face of refs etc. To have Rooney, the man, fighting their corner too would galvanise us as a team.

He's better than what we have. In most of the attacking positions, I believe he's better than all bar Lukaku.

Globally, he puts us back on the football map. He's not a Man Utd cast-off. He's just become too expensive for them at £300k a week. For £100k, they'd bite your hand off. As would every top team in Europe, I'd imagine. He's only likely to go to Everton for that money though!

Do it!

John Daley
138 Posted 23/02/2017 at 14:07:06
"He's not a Man Utd cast off. He's just become too expensive for them at £300k a week"

It has been reported that Man Utd would be willing to pay off the remainder of his contract in the summer. Two years at £250,000 a week basic, that they would be under no obligation to pay if he accepted an offer elsewhere, yet they want rid simply because they can no longer afford him? 

It's purely a footballing decision, not monetary. He no longer offers enough to be a guaranteed, or even a regular, starter in their side. He's now no more than a bit-part player. He, for his part, wants to play as often as possible; a natural urge even in his heyday and one not easy to quell when the career hangman is quickening on your heels.

Problem for him and any prospective suitor's going forward is how he will hold up physically, even in the immediate future.

Recently, Rio Ferdinand claimed that Rooney's exertions over the past 15 years have left him with the body of a 40-year-old. If a long-time teammate and 'pal' (who has actually seen him in the buff and blowing for chunks after games in the changing room) is offering such an opinion then it doesn't suggest much hope of him simply being 're-energised' by a fresh start or magically turning back the clock after being put through rigorous paces by Ronald Koeman, no matter how R Lee Ermey he might get on his arse.

Joe McMahon
139 Posted 23/02/2017 at 14:13:36
100% agree. Way too many look at the past – Dixie, Grand Old Lady etc – we need to look forward. Here, now, and the future is all that counts; just ask Man City. All we need now is somehow for Kenwright to Piss Off.
Brent Stephens
140 Posted 23/02/2017 at 14:27:35
Stan (#136), re quick wit, there's this one about Churchill. He was standing with a group of people, mostly unknown to him, at a drinks reception when an old girl next to him "broke wind". Churchill immediately apologised to all and sundry, as if it were him. Later the old girl thanked him. "Not at all my, dear. Have that one on me"!

Christopher Wallace
141 Posted 23/02/2017 at 14:28:29
Ben 137

"He's better than what we have. In most of the attacking positions I believe he's better than all bar Lukaku."

Rooney is in no way better than Barkley or Davies, or even Lookman for that matter.

Also, it's a case of "can we sign better elsewhere?"... the answer to that is a resounding YES!!

Danny Broderick
142 Posted 23/02/2017 at 14:57:56
The money involved makes this a non-starter. Even if he was on a free, which he's not, his wages alone would be well over £100k a week. This might not be an issue if he was to remain a first team player. But I imagine he would be a squad player, becoming increasingly injury prone, within about 2 years. Plus, if you give him that much, you have a problem when you look to renew other contracts, as others will want parity.

The sums don't add up.

Derek Turner
143 Posted 23/02/2017 at 14:57:58

Made my day!

Mike Hughes
144 Posted 23/02/2017 at 14:59:44
Jay Woods (#19),

Sums up my thoughts perfectly. Hopefully sentiment won't come in to it one little bit.

It's purely a business decision – and if Walsh can't unearth someone better for that kind of money (and for the future) then he may as well pack in now.

Sam Hoare
145 Posted 23/02/2017 at 15:08:41
Luckily Koeman can be trusted to treat the issue with no sentiment. If he believes that Wayne will add something on and off the pitch that will validate the wages he wants then that's good enough for me.

Personally I'm a fan of nostalgia and like the idea of him coming back for one season on drastically reduced wages (whatever Gareth Barry is getting let's say), passing on a few tips here and there, raising our profile and maybe coming on in the 85th minute to score the winner at Anfield!

Then he can go off to USA or China to earn some final big wedge. If he's really such a Bluenose as he claims, perhaps that sort of deal might appeal to him as well.

Alan J Thompson
146 Posted 23/02/2017 at 15:11:14
My favourite was the story of George Bernard Shaw being sat next to an attractive young lady at a dinner party. After listening to her for a while, Shaw turned to the young lady and asked; "Would you sleep with a man for a thousand pounds?"

The young lady replied that it would depend on how handsome he was. Shaw then asked; "Well, would you sleep with a man for 10 shillings?"

She replied;"Mr Shaw, what do you think I am?"

Shaw replied; "We've settled that question, my dear – we're just haggling over the price now."

Totally irrelevant to the subject at hand I suppose.

Roberto Birquet
147 Posted 23/02/2017 at 15:16:41
First, I do not believe we need Rooney. And that is the call that the management needs to make. But the opinion that Rooney would cost £300k a week is simply wrong. He would have to make a choice: take what he's worth in the Premier League, probably £70k per week, or China for however more.

He would not cost us £300k a week as we would never offer what he's not nearly worth (for this league).

Soren Moyer
148 Posted 23/02/2017 at 15:17:40
I won't forget his Manure badge kissing when he scored at Goodison Park some years ago!
Keith Conchie
149 Posted 23/02/2017 at 15:23:47
Some people on here saying Rooney is better than what we have. Bollocks. Rooney in his prime was better than most of what we have now, yes. But the Rooney now is well past his best, and has been for the last 2 seasons. Plus some of the players we have now are young, and could go on to be better than him.

If he wants to come to us, then it's purely so he can carry on making money without uprooting his family. Not to give something back to Everton, but to get a bit more in the bank.

I have no ill-feeling towards Rooney, but would not want him back just because he's 'one of ours'. I would have him back if he was still 100% fit, still 100% focused, and still scoring on a regular basis. But sadly he isn't any of them things.

If the club bring him back, then it's an absolute joke. Makes a mockery of all the talk of a new era under Moshiri. If he's not good enough for Man Utd, then he's not good enough for us.

Peter Cummings
150 Posted 23/02/2017 at 15:26:26
I don't think there's any chance of him being considered for a return, his agent is already in China talking big bucks which, let's face it, is the main reason for cast-offs and 'near retirement age' losers to boost their already obscene millions before they cash in (pardon the pun) their own chips.

I think, given the chance, most of us would opt for greener pastures for a big payout, if we weren't already multi millionaires and struggling to pay the bills – like the millions of Chinese peasants who have to do just that.

Soren Moyer
151 Posted 23/02/2017 at 15:29:53
Shane Corcoran
152 Posted 23/02/2017 at 15:30:16
Too busy to read the article but I think we should be sentimental and not let him near the place.
Phil Martin
153 Posted 23/02/2017 at 15:31:16
Eugene – if you weren't too busy trying to be poet laureate, you might have seen my explanation for not wanting Rooney back covered several points:

His ability as a player... his monetary value to the club... as well as the undermining of the Club's apparent new found ambition.

However, you chose to focus on the other point I made re the emotive side of the issue. You did this so you could blind us with another glimpse of your literary girth. Which probably says more about you than anyone else.

Christopher Wallace
154 Posted 23/02/2017 at 16:02:04
Good point, Mike (#144),

We didn't appoint Walsh to sign overpaid has-beens.

Steve Brown
155 Posted 23/02/2017 at 16:06:44
Great player, should have been world class but he never fully reached that level. I still think he had that raw, mercurial talent coached out of him at Manchester United. He has lost his pace, but he has 16 years of top flight football in his legs, so not a surprise.

For me, he would be a nostalgia buy whereas someone like Oxlade-Chamberlin would be a real statement about the future.

Tony Sullivan
156 Posted 23/02/2017 at 16:18:42
Eugene vs Phil outcome – massive win for Eugene!
Christy Ring
157 Posted 23/02/2017 at 16:24:01
Rooney hasn't the pace anymore to suit our system, and too expensive to have on the bench, unless he took a huge pay cut, to come back for sentimental reasons, which I would love.

I disagree with the anti-Rooney comments on why he left. Kenwright sold him to keep the club afloat; he hadn't a clue how to run the club. Didn't he start the auction by telling the media that Newcastle had offered £25m for Wayne Rooney?? Did he try to keep Wayne??? No!!!

James Hughes
158 Posted 23/02/2017 at 16:37:26
Eugene (#124),

"Ah, that's something else I know about some posters."

How do you KNOW? Are you familiar and on close personal terms with posters or are you merely forming an opinion?

For a pedant who insists on facts from fellow posters, I would love to see you back up that claim. You may be making a remote assessment or drawing conclusions. But you claim you know!!!!!

[Lots of exclamation marks as well – over to you, TW's resident grammar expert!]

Paul English
159 Posted 23/02/2017 at 16:45:29
What people seem to be forgetting is, if Rooney comes back, Paul Stretford will be with him... then, this rat will claw into Tom Davies.
Mike Gaynes
160 Posted 23/02/2017 at 16:50:55
Alan J (#146), that quote has also been credited to Churchill, Mark Twain, Groucho, W C Fields, Bertrand Russell and even the humorless Woodrow Wilson.

According to a website I like called QuoteInvestigator, if the quip isn't apocryphal, it likely should be credited to tycoon Max Aitkin, aka Lord Beaverbrook.

Also totally irrelevant

Mark Morrissey
161 Posted 23/02/2017 at 17:04:55
Alex Nyarko was part of the Everton first team set-up longer than Wayne Rooney. Rooney simply doesn't deserve to belong to our clubs rich history and I hate these links with us and him. He was with us for 2 seasons and then fucked off to chase the glories of being a Manc.

Let him go to China and good luck to him. He is a Man Utd legend. Stay there or fuck off. Why should we care. He's past it and doesn't care about us. Why should he, he's a red and not a blue.

Ray Said
162 Posted 23/02/2017 at 17:18:08
I am happy that Rooney is still a blue and I encourage him to buy a box so he can come and watch a game. I just don't see him as a worthwhile signing at the cost of wages, transfer etc.
Jason Bowen
163 Posted 23/02/2017 at 17:19:30
As far as I'm concerned, Rooney can his pack bags, sod off to China, and never come back! Anyone else who thinks otherwise or is willing to overlook him being a Judas, badge-kissing Manc can go with him. No offence!
Christine Foster
164 Posted 23/02/2017 at 17:41:14
You know something? I could see Wayne Rooney coming back to Everton for nothing. No high wages, no transfer fee... just for the enjoyment of coming home.

Some on here give rise to the term 'Bitter Blue'... reading the posts, it's disrespectful and incredible to read some of the vitriol and abuse for an England Captain (still) and a career that has been one of the very best in English football. Get over it guys, he is a blue and always will be.

Everton sold him, they needed the money after our illustrious chairman had sold the last lawnmower, there was nothing left to hock and after Man Utd turned his head it worked for both. He would never have achieved the success he did at Everton. He would never have earned the acclaim he has at Everton, he would never have been the player he was if he had stayed at Everton. Christ knows it pains me to say that but I think most of us would agree.

Sentiment is one thing, business is another but lets say he came on a free at nominal wages and a desire to use his experience even not on a weekly basis, I think he would jump at the chance to work with Koeman and it would give his career and OUR club a massive lift even if it was only for a couple of seasons.

I would gladly take him and let him enjoy his football and get Koeman to get the best out of his last years. If he doesn't come back to Goodison I think he will just retire.. and that would still be a waste.

China... come on guys he is from Croxteth, he might fancy the odd Chinese takeaway but a plate of scouse any day. Its not going to happen no matter how much they will pay.

Colin Malone
165 Posted 23/02/2017 at 18:03:33
Yes. Deffo come on a free. On a good wage.
Eddie Dunn
166 Posted 23/02/2017 at 18:03:48
Rooney has lost a yard of pace, but he would surely be able to provide some incisive passes in the final third. I think he would be an asset to any side, with his intelligence and ability.

I suspect that his powers are on the wane (no pun intended) and it would only give short-term success. I am happy with the way the team is developing but to rule him out because of spite is illogical.

Dermot Byrne
167 Posted 23/02/2017 at 18:19:17
He has just said he is staying at Manure so that's that... Thank God. We are building the future, not looking back. May as well dig up Dixie!
Mark Morrissey
168 Posted 23/02/2017 at 18:23:40
Christine, you know something? He's not a blue. He might still support the club but you need to get over the fact he's not a blue player, he's a red. The red of Man Utd. It's not spiteful either, Eddie. The man is past his best

He is a Man Utd player and he is over the hill, just. We need fresh blood and we need better players to come to Everton, not someone who is past his best days.

There would have been sense to the idea 3 or 4 years ago but that ship has sailed. He can come and support us but we don't need him playing for us, not even on a free.

Chris Leyland
169 Posted 23/02/2017 at 18:31:55
Eugene – I agree, we can tell a lot about posters from what's on here. After all, it isn't difficult to spot a smart-arsed pedant... is it?
Phil Walling
170 Posted 23/02/2017 at 18:44:49
Well, if we had a Rooney or two in the ressies, Koeman wouldn't know about them because if the Echo is to be believed, he's only watched the kids twice all season.

What the feck does this guy do with his time for £6Mil a year?

Steve Harris
171 Posted 23/02/2017 at 18:49:33
If we are going to pay somebody a few hundred grand a week, giving it to a widely regarded has-been surely isn't the way to go. Wouldn't it be better if we went after someone like Aguero?

Things might be a bit different now that Jesus is crocked but he seemed pretty pissed off with being on the bench prior to that and if we really are serious about challenging for Champions League and Titles with Moshiri's apparent millions, surely this would put a marker down and show our intentions?

Might even persuade the likes of Rom to hang around and the thought of a Lukaku - Aguero partnership up front would put the fear of God into most teams... it would certainly excite me!

Paul Ferry
172 Posted 23/02/2017 at 18:51:17
Eugene mate (#124): Are you confusing the Declaration of Breda with the Treaty of Breda?
Will Mabon
173 Posted 23/02/2017 at 18:52:32
It just occurs to me, reading here, what an indication is Rooney's career of the passage of time. From 16-year-old wonder to past his peak in barely a flash. We're all growing older faster than ever it seems... where did that time go?

Have the globalists tweaked a dial?

Jim Potter
174 Posted 23/02/2017 at 18:52:44
Head? – no.

Heart? – yes.

Would I turn up to see him? – you betcha.

Will Mabon
175 Posted 23/02/2017 at 19:00:05
I agree, Steve. With Lukaku and Aguero together, I'd be too scared to go and watch the game.
Phil Walling
176 Posted 23/02/2017 at 19:00:36
Wilf @ 173, Rooney is deemed over the hill because Man Utd now has to be all about Mauro – now his team is winning.

Please don't tell me 'Our Wayne' is inferior to the pathetic 'support strikers' we have seen in our team this season!

Will Mabon
177 Posted 23/02/2017 at 19:11:26
Phil, "Will" here. I didn't actually say over the hill, I said "Past his peak" – a subtly different thing and undeniably true. The comment was in a whole different context anyway. Can't deny your point about strikers, but that's another issue.

Hell, is that the time already? I was right!

Ste Traverse
178 Posted 23/02/2017 at 19:14:59
On his way down as a player and on a monster contract we couldn't afford. What's the point?

This constant 'Rooney to return' stuff which pops up all too often is fucking boring.

Bobby Mallon
179 Posted 23/02/2017 at 19:25:15
If Lukaku... no, when Lukaku leaves, who out there can replace him? Well, I say fucking Rooney can!

Are you lot telling me Zlatan, at age 35, would not be good enough as well?!? Fuck, the reason Rooney is not playing is because the manager don't like him; Rooney is as good as Zlatan.

Mike Powell
180 Posted 23/02/2017 at 19:31:32
Let's face it – for one, Rooney will follow the money and go to China. He is also well past his best. I don't even know why we're talking about him – he left us, first chance he had, for money, so let the badge-kissing Manc enjoy his retirement days in China.
Dermot Byrne
181 Posted 23/02/2017 at 19:34:44
If he came and was crap? Kept future stars out? Oh how clever we would look, either still playing him or dropping him to the reserves.

Heart? Nah. He fucked off and abandoned "his" club. And the "wouldn't you?" argument is fair enough but, when I did, I'd be a disloyal self-serving twat too.

Peter Morris
182 Posted 23/02/2017 at 19:39:19
For me too much unsubstantiated comment has been made from 2004 onwards about Rooney going, essentially driven out by Everton's parlous financial state. That's just spin, as far as I'm concerned. I don't buy that and won't until the club confirm it as true, which will never happen.

All the stuff about playing ambition, craving for silverware and the rest, doesn't wash with me. At 19, Rooney could have given the club 3-4 years. Who knows what difference he would have made in the Champions League campaign so soon after he went?

He could have given us some payback as 'his' club, and still toddled off to Manchester at the age of 23, and gone on to achieve all of his personal ambitions. And we would have got more money.

His snake of an agent, appropriately called Stretford, played a big part in forcing the move through. At that point, Rooney made his bed. If he loves Everton, he can buy a ticket for the stands like the rest of us. I don't want him back in any capacity as a player, coach or ambassador. Ian Snodin, Graeme Sharp, Graham Stuart, none of them Scousers, are better Evertonians in my mind than Rooney will ever be. His club is Manchester United.

Tony Hill
183 Posted 23/02/2017 at 19:53:39
Talking of sense and sentiment, Leicester have sacked Ranieri.
Ian Bennett
184 Posted 23/02/2017 at 20:22:24
His best years are behind him, and if he isn't good enough for a 6th placed team – why would we want him in 7th?

He's faded badly over the last 3 years IMO. In the last 2½ seasons he's scored 12, 8 and 2 league goals in that order.

If we we're in a hurry to give someone £150k+ a week, give it Lukaku. He does score goals, and has his best days ahead of him. Save the £20m plus transfer fee to splash on someone who will last a little bit longer than Rooney.

Ciarán McGlone
185 Posted 23/02/2017 at 20:45:42
At least if he came, it would go some way to allowing some of our fans to address their anger issues. Free therapy.

Greatest English player of his generation and still better than most – if not all – of our team... As for the cost, who cares? Not our concern.

Peter Gorman
186 Posted 23/02/2017 at 20:58:24
Still better than most of our team, eh? And yet, as has been pointed out more than once, has half as many league goals this season as our right-back.
Patrick Murphy
187 Posted 23/02/2017 at 21:04:34
Peter (#182),

I don't know how much of this article is true; however, it lends credence to the idea that Rooney had to be sold to relieve the cash flow problems that EFC were facing at that point in time.

Anton Walsh
188 Posted 23/02/2017 at 21:49:33
He's been living off the first 4 years of his playing career for the last 9. Gone downhill from the day he walked out of Everton.

As a club who seems to keep tattoos to a minimum, I don't know if we're ready for the hair transplants.
Eugene Ruane
189 Posted 23/02/2017 at 21:49:58
Chris # 169 - 'Eugene - I agree we can tell a lot about posters from what's on here. Afterall, it isn't difficult to spot a smart-arsed pedant is it?'

'After all' is two words.

James # 158 - 'How do you KNOW? Are you familiar and on close personal terms with posters or are you merely forming an opinion? For a pedant who insists on facts from fellow posters, I would love to see you back up that claim. You may be making a remote assessment or drawing conclusions. But you claim you know!!!!!'

All eruditely explained in #113, I'm not explaining things twice for those who can't keep up.

By the way, here's another thing I know about certain posters.

99.3% of those on TW who resort to 'pedant' do so out of frustration and anger rather than accuracy.

Actually, I'll let you into a secret: I often imagine the 99.3% as a small boy, sitting in a 1930s rural American school classroom, having just been chastised by the teacher for putting a 'period' in the middle of a sentence.

As the boy seethes, his little face burning red with anger and embarrassment, he thinks to himself, "Aah cain't wait til I'm all growed up and can jess say 'pedant' when aah fuck shit up and someone tries to make me look dumb... er."

(I then imagine him drooling chewing tobacco all down his front...)

Mike Green
190 Posted 23/02/2017 at 22:09:02
Could've been a God, chose to be a Devil.

Made his bed and laid in it very well, thank you. Would be a global story if he came back that would soon fade quickly and we would be left with the unenviable task of managing decline and engineering an exit strategy.

I would rather remember the stunning 16-year-old than the huffing and puffing 36-year-old. It's a 'No' from me.

Scott Hall
191 Posted 23/02/2017 at 22:28:23
I would have loved him back. But it's a season too late. We need to let that ship sail off into the sunset now.

That player that was fearless, aggressive and lethal when in sight of goal? He's gone.

Eugene Ruane
192 Posted 23/02/2017 at 22:42:44
Suggested 1000+ posts thread for TW.

"If Koeman heads to Barcelona, should Kenwright bring back Moyes as manager and if he does, should Moyes bring back Rooney..and Nick Barmby as first team coach?"

Christopher Wallace
193 Posted 23/02/2017 at 22:59:32
Bobby 179

Rooney is no Zlatan ffs. Zlatan peaked aged 30-32, and is a freakishly good athlete.

Rooney peaked about 24-27, and has been on a steady decline since.

Enough with this comparison already.

Tom Bowers
194 Posted 23/02/2017 at 23:10:47
Much as I would have liked him to return, it appears what he has to offer now may not suit what Everton require. Given his age and present status at Man Utd, it would appear his hunger for the game is waning.

Make no mistake, he still has a great footballing brain and has some years left but not with Mourinho. Who knows what would have happened if Everton had been in a better position all those years ago and under a different manager???

Clive Rogers
195 Posted 23/02/2017 at 23:26:48
Looks like he doesn't want to come back, judging by what he has said today.
Phil Hoyle
196 Posted 23/02/2017 at 23:35:18
If you take the financial side out of this signing, Rooney is a definite yes.

He would have passion and fire which in recent years has been lacking. He has so much experience that the younger players (and some of the mid-20s players) would benefit from.

There is no doubt in my mind that he is still a quality player. Some lost pace but still a great football mind. Inject him into the Everton project, a club he obviously loves, and I think it could be a great fit. Bring him back to the club and get him involved in the coaching side.

Commercially, it would benefit us. He is not in the Ronaldo stratosphere but he does have a global presence so would help to sell more merchandise and help the profile of the club.

Now coming back to the financials. Do not break the wage structure for him. Do not offer him a massively long deal (2 years max). If the fee is reasonable, his demands are reasonable, then why not?

My feeling is the financials will be inhibitive. I think the Man Utd transfer fee will be silly and I am not sure Rooney will go to 25%-35% of his current salary, when he can double it in China!

Gavin Johnson
197 Posted 23/02/2017 at 00:05:37
I agree with you, Phil. I don't get why people think he would necessarily be on a long contract. Rooney could play for us at a high level for 2 seasons and still move to China for silly money.

It will come down to numbers, but if Rooney wants to play at a high level and wants to continue mending broken bridges, he will want to return and will take a pay cut. I'd anticipate Man Utd would want some big fee, but realistically they'll only get that from China. I can't see any other European club being prepared to pay a big fee and even half of his current wages. Again, it will come down to the desire of the player.

If he signs for a couple of seasons, I'll be very happy. But I won't lose any sleep if he doesn't.

Tim Locke
198 Posted 24/02/2017 at 07:34:23
A lot has been said about his ability and rightly so. The best way to answer that question would be to ask would we be going after a another at 32? I think two seasons ago yes; only a few years back we Eto'o and people were excited. But look how that turned out. So on ability, should we take him/sign him back no.

The other factor is the 12th man, how excited the crowd gets around him. How much emotion he stirs up. I think if he could help unite us, help develop younger players, help lift the crowd then yes. The main problem with that is if he is really crap then it will have the opposite effect.

On balance, sign him for a fee and pay him loads? No. He comes for next to nothing and has low wages; I think he could help build the atmosphere.

Gary Ashworth
199 Posted 24/02/2017 at 08:03:19
There are many bonuses to re-signing Rooney, both on and off the pitch. He's mature and experienced, like Barry, he'd be a brilliant mentor for the younger players. The profits from shirt sales and other merchandise, additional global fanbase would follow a Rooney return.

The stars seem to be aligning as it looks like Jagielka will leave in the summer and (should Rooney return) he would no doubt return as captain. We have been linked to a few strikers in the past two windows, yet we haven't signed anyone that could replace Lukaku. Rooney would actually be better in the creative #10 position, a bit like a Scholes role, but would also be able to play as an out and out striker if needed. We have the funds to pay him a large salary – not sure EFC will pay £300k a week though.

The final things is Rooney is a huge fan of EFC! I'm sure (if it's possible) he wants to play for his boyhood team whilst he's still got the ability and fitness to play competitively in the EPL. After which I'm sure he would look at the USA, Qatar, Australia or maybe China to finish off his career and top-up his retirement fund.

One thing for sure, he's still a quality player and EFC would be mad to pass on the chance to re-sign him.

Dermot Byrne
200 Posted 24/02/2017 at 08:17:18
Gary: Your first line is bang on. I think he should re-sign, on and off the pitch too!
Jim Jennings
201 Posted 24/02/2017 at 08:53:10
Eugene (#124),

"Guessing if you'd lived in 1650 and some monk wrote a letter giving you down the banks for knowing fuck-all about the signing of the Treaty of Breda by Charles ll..."

It would be entirely understandable to know fuck all (two words by the way, not one hyphenated word) about a treaty that was not written until seventeen years later.

Dermot Byrne
202 Posted 24/02/2017 at 09:24:48
Jim (#201): that is gloriously obscure and why I love this site.
Ray Robinson
203 Posted 24/02/2017 at 10:01:02
Whatever is said about Rooney and why he left, deep down I believe he is still a Blue. However, I wouldn't go near him now as a player simply because, just as he was a 21-year-old masquerading as a 16-year-old all those years ago, in playing terms, his body age is about 37 – even though the records say he is approaching 32.
Eugene Ruane
204 Posted 24/02/2017 at 10:33:10
Jim # 201 - 'It would be entirely understandable to know fuck all (two words by the way, not one hyphenated word) about a treaty that was not written until seventeen years later.' you gleefully inform me.

Unfortunately (for you) there were TWO treaties of Breda - Link

And the first was signed in (roll on the drums) I said.

As for my use of a hyphen on fuck-all, perfectly legitimate* (the rules might be more open to interpretation than where a full-stop goes, but entirely acceptable).

Still well done, 0 out of 2 isn't bad.

* Hyphens' main purpose is to glue words together. They notify the reader that two or more elements in a sentence are linked. Although there are rules and customs governing hyphens, there are also situations when writers must decide whether to add them for clarity. From Link

(I think you only posted to try to get that 200th post - imagine you're gutted)

Ray Roche
205 Posted 24/02/2017 at 10:42:19
Chief Superintendent Ruane of Scotland Road Grammar Squad strikes again.
Andy Stewart
206 Posted 24/02/2017 at 11:52:10
No. A man with his level of class belongs in a league with the history of MLS or Chinese Super League. If he wants to come back to Goodison Park, he can buy a ticket and sit behind a pillar in the away end. He thought he was better than us; we are now much better than him.
Eugene Ruane
207 Posted 24/02/2017 at 12:11:23
'If he wants to come back to Goodison Park, he can buy a ticket and sit behind a pillar in the away end. He thought he was better than us, we are now much better than him.'

Jesus, hope to Christ the computer that was typed on is chained to a desk in Rampton (and the desk is screwed to the deck).

Dave Wilson
208 Posted 24/02/2017 at 13:19:36
Christine Foster's theory is a plausible on.

Although the chances of Rooney turning his nose up at char siu chow mein n Mongolian lamb are, err... rather slim – he'd have the Scouse for starters, Christine.

I still get annoyed at the way Rooney ran down the Old Trafford pitch to taunt the Evertonians after Ronaldo's last-minute penalty, but would pass the minute he netted for us.

Len Hawkins
209 Posted 24/02/2017 at 13:36:51
Laugh? I've not laughed so much since Tommy Smith got his disability stopped.

Rooney would be behind Kone and Valencia, would he? I'm going to send that one to Doddy – I've heard he pays handsomely for good jokes... as much as 10 shillings, I believe.

Dave Abrahams
210 Posted 24/02/2017 at 14:03:43
Len (#209),

Doddy is the Daddy of brass hinges, he wouldn't give you a spot if he was a Dalmatian.

Tim Wardrop
211 Posted 24/02/2017 at 14:07:39
A lot of talk on here about Rooney's age and comparing to Zlatan. Age is irrelevant; it's about the miles on the clock. And Rooney has an awful lot of miles...
John Daley
212 Posted 24/02/2017 at 14:24:55
"'s disrespectful and incredible to read some of the vitriol and abuse for an England Captain (still) and a career that has been one of the very best in English football"

John Terry breaks into spontaneous applause.

Rooney's role as England captain and the feats he accomplished for another club hold little sway with me. All I'm concerned with is what he once did for Everton (not a lot, beyond increasing media coverage for a short while and fetching a sizeable transfer fee) and what he could yet do for Everton (not a lot, beyond increasing media coverage for a short while and stretching the wage budget to breaking point).

John Daley
213 Posted 24/02/2017 at 14:34:27
"Unfortunately (for you) there were TWO treaties of Breda.

And the first was signed in (roll on the drums) 1650"

Understandably so as well. There's absolutely no way on Earth that Charles could have held off signing for a further 17 years... 17 fucking minutes in the presence of the 'Kirk Party' would have been plenty enough to crush the resolve of even the most iron-willed:


Kirk: "Sign.... it. Paying partic... ular attention to the part... about a prison planet... for... papists."

Charles II: "Naw. Naw."

Kirk: "Sign... it now or... else I'll spin you another dragged... out tale about the time... I... almost dabbled in some... alien arse."



Joe Hurst
214 Posted 24/02/2017 at 14:55:25
So entertaining. Really.

But you're all just pedants.


Eugene Ruane
215 Posted 24/02/2017 at 15:14:57
Joe (#214) – Link
Ray Roche
216 Posted 24/02/2017 at 15:16:38
Not still on about that are you Eugene? "Your"...getting on my nerves...
Eugene Ruane
217 Posted 24/02/2017 at 15:47:44
Ray # 216 - 'Not still on about that are you Eugene? "Your"...getting on my nerves.'

Well that's not something I want to hear; the idea of getting on your nerves or indeed on anyone's nerves makes me almost physically sick.

Ray Roche
218 Posted 24/02/2017 at 16:51:27
Really? I think you're lying. :-)
Joe Hurst
219 Posted 24/02/2017 at 17:17:24
Aw, the spelling corrections kind of ruin the fun. Such laissez-faire lexicography, both attempts, was what was being gone for. No taking of any 'mickey' was being proferred for anything other than a continuation of the amusement, that (far from the first time) was being had with some of the usual TW fantastic chatting.

A shame..

As for Stretford's spudface, stuff 'im. Well done to him, yes, but ta-ra.

Darren Hind
220 Posted 24/02/2017 at 17:23:39
Not often you get JD and Eugene in full flight on the same thread.

Fantastic stuff.

John Ronnie
221 Posted 25/02/2017 at 01:15:00
Absolutely disgusted some want that traitor back. Rubbish, total rubbish... he fulfilled his potential at Man Utd, he went for the money, aided by the bullshit from the media.

Like a few posts have said, he had his chance to become a legend with us, the club he adored but he and Stretford sold his sole to the devil and he does not deserve a second chance.

Fortunately we are now in a far stronger position not to be desperate for this has-been; we don't need him and hopefully are setting our targets higher.

Sod off to China, you are not welcome at our beloved club.

I hope he's pleased he's achieved success with that shower but hopefully with a touch of regret that it wasn't with us, surely it can't mean the same to him?

Sorry, Wayne, you were blessed with a gift, but you turned your back on your own, kissing the Man Utd badge in your own backyard.

I personally look at you in the same category of ex-players such as Jeffers, Rodwell, Stones, Lescott, Keown, Lineker and Neville etc – non-achievers

I, and hopefully many other Blues, don't wish to see you back.

Laurie Hartley
222 Posted 25/02/2017 at 10:21:24
As Moshiri has said, "We are not a museum."

For me Rooney is just a part of our history – a brief interlude that I enjoyed while it lasted. I personally hope he isn't brought back as my view is that it would be a backward step.

The only "days of yore" I long for are the seasons when we were top of the pile.

Alan J Thompson
223 Posted 25/02/2017 at 14:54:00
Mike (#160); Where would we be without the internet?

It seems I now have several favourite stories. At least we know that it wasn't told by a much derided former manager about a young footballer near a libertine grannie.

Paul Burns
224 Posted 25/02/2017 at 21:03:18
The only sentiment I've got for Rooney is sheer hatred.

Selling the best player of his generation as a teenager for a pittance due to Kenwrights lies and mismanagement and buying him back as an overweight wig-wearing has-been is laughable and sums up the train wreck Kenwright has made of Everton FC perfectly.

If I was the best player in the world, I'd have played for Everton FOR NOTHING. That's the difference between a true Evertonian and the fake that is Rooney.

We should have built a team around him and used him to attract top talent. I don't buy that 'no medals' rubbish, Rooney was a phenomenon and Kenwright frittered it away and for what? To cover up his lies and incompetence, that's what.

Anyone who wants him back is an idiot. He's shit all over us for one of our hated rivals. I wouldn't even let him in the ground or his arl feller for letting it happen. Mine wouldn't have let it happen but he wouldn't have to because it wouldn't have anyway.

Dale Rose
225 Posted 25/02/2017 at 22:24:16
Rooney a great player who has come to the end. We must look forward and keep going. I believe that in the next five years with a new stadium and current strategy we will be the top team and will win the Champions League.
Mike Green
226 Posted 26/02/2017 at 08:35:52
Paul Burns (#224) – fortunatley these things will never be an issue for you given you're probably not the best player in your family, never mind the world. Don't judge a man until you've walked two moons in his Nike Hypervenom Phinish size 9s, eh.
Eddie Dunn
227 Posted 26/02/2017 at 09:20:55
John Ronnie.. "non-achievers" Keown won 1 Cup Winner's Cup, 3 Championships,3 FA Cups...

Lineker won 1 FA Cup, English Golden boot for Leicester, Everton and Spurs. 1986 top scorer in World Cup. Won Spanish Title and Cup...

Lescott won 2 league Titles, 1 FA Cup and a League Cup...

Neville won 6 titles and 3 FA Cups...

What to you is achievement?

Ray Smith
228 Posted 26/02/2017 at 17:25:28
If – and it's a very big 'if'... would you pick Rooney in front of the following?


Some will say Yes to all of the above.

Commercially worth a punt and bringing the youngsters on.

Laurie Hartley
231 Posted 27/02/2017 at 02:34:22
Ray (#228), if your list were the only players available for first team selection, only Barry, McCarthy, and a fit Besic would possibly compete with Rooney for my first name on the team sheet.

However as Robert De Niro said to Al Pacino over a cup of coffee in the movie Heat - "there is a flip side to that coin" which is:

Would you play him before any of the following?

Bolasie (when fit)

He wouldn't come back to sit on the bench. He can do that at United and get paid handsomely for it.

We have to look to the future.

Eugene Ruane
232 Posted 27/02/2017 at 06:06:50
Having read the unhinged venting posted by Paul 'sheer hatred' Burns and John 'rubbish, total rubbish' Ronnie, I think I already know their views on best Generation Game host Link
Dave Abrahams
234 Posted 27/02/2017 at 16:11:46
Eugene (232) very funny, but not as funny as Paul and John.
Jay Wood
235 Posted 28/02/2017 at 14:09:11
Reading today's reports, both Koeman and Walsh have categorically come out and said Rooney would be welcomed back at Everton.

Koeman: "What will happen at the end of the season? I don't know but in my opinion he is one of the players who can make Everton more stronger."

Walsh: "Wayne Rooney is one of the greatest players that has ever played the game in England and for us not to be interested would be wrong.

"He started his career here and if the opportunity arose that he could come back and it sat well with everyone it is something we would consider. I think the whole thing would be euphoric. I think we could sell a lot of shirts, that's for sure."

Personally, I remain opposed, but when the men in position of power and influence say 'yes', is this the start of a 'softly-softly' propaganda campaign to welcome the prodigal son back next season...?

Eugene Ruane
236 Posted 28/02/2017 at 14:41:05
Jay # 235 - 'Is this the start of a 'softly-softly' propaganda campaign to welcome the prodigal son back next season..?'

Christ don't say that - imagine the effect on Paul 'sheer hatred' Burns and John 'rubbish, total rubbish' Ronnie Link

Dave Abrahams
237 Posted 28/02/2017 at 15:23:24
'I think we would sell a lot of shirts, that's for sure', the mark of a great scout.
Ed Fitzgerald
238 Posted 28/02/2017 at 16:02:30
The posturing and comments by Koeman and Walsh are embarrassing whether it's too lure Rooney back or placate some of the supporters. Let's face it, given the dodgy dealings between Everton and Man Utd none of us would be surprised if a deal wasn't agreed in principle.

As ever it's all about opinions but my view is he would do little to improve us from a football perspective.

Ray Smith
239 Posted 03/03/2017 at 19:57:16
Laurie (#231),

In answer to your question, the only one I might put Rooney in front of would be Mirallas; otherwise... 'No'.

As you rightly say, he can earn more on the bench at Man Utd.

We shall see.

Take a point at Spurs on Sunday... COYB

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