The Honeymoon Close to Divorce

No, the way I feel about Koeman at the minute, I wouldn't say you're being knee-jerk – especially coming in the wake of the Chelsea debacle and the crass Lukakugate statement. I'd say you're being honest.

The man's body language stinks and just gives me the impression he's doing us a favour. He's not... by the way.

He's getting paid ridiculous amounts of money to manage our club. It's about time he started earning some of it And showing some gratitude to us long-suffering fans. He's going to have to get his finger out in January — because this just isn't good enough. Over to you, Ronnie.

When we 're singing "If You Know Your History" and implying that we should be treated as one of the games big guns, he's thinking "poor sentimental, deluded fools".

He obviously does not see himself building up a top team at our club. if he can nick a cup he may well get a "big" job here or on the continent, and that seems to be his idea.

Incidentally Colin Harvey is one of the three best Everton players I've ever seen and I've been watching them since we were in the Second Division, he was truly world class.

November: "Fuck him off, reports suggest he goes home on time.." blah.

Sharon Osborne: "Darling you're so ToffeeWeb."

Koeman should be dismissed because 'you've heard' he leaves Finch Farm 'promptly' every day?

Jesus, you should have seen me skidaddle from my place of work every day once I'd completed my shift.

Also, Martinez never subjected us to any similar thrashings to the one we suffered at Chelsea?

Just as well you were under the influence of morphine last season when we played at Anfield, and didn't witness that debacle — you'd still be in hospital now.

My comments about departing Finch Farm promptly were based on an article I read in the Echo about 6 weeks ago. I found it a bit disappointing because our last two managers were known for working long hours. For Moyes it paid off. What Roberto was doing for 10 hours a day is beyond me... it clearly wasn't spent getting players fitter or defending set-pieces.

On the terrible defeat at our former home, I think Chelsea was worse. At Anfield we had an injury crisis and ended up with 10 men. Roberto did have some classics but many of them were high scoring thrashings whereby we at least scored some goals.

At Stamford Bridge, we had a few adjustments in the squad but there were 11 men and we managed one chance on goal against a defence containing Sideshow Bob.

To be fair, the morphine did make me forget the 4-0 and then my brother told me all about it and I re-lived the unpleasantness!

Can anyone bring a sense of balance here??? Martinez worked 10 hours a day. That worked out well.

Emotional incontinece

However, if you really believe Deulofeu is the superior player to Bolasie, I think you might need just a bit more bed rest.

100 lines of "Must do more homework".

At Southampton, a top half finish and good cup runs would be enough but not for us Evertonians... Nil Sais Nisi Optimum remember. He came for the money, it's very obvious now..

As (effectively) Everton owner Farhad Moshiri should not be trying to convince Me that Koeman was misquoted, he bloody well wasn't.

As encouraging as Farhad Moshiri's recent interview with his new best pal was, I seriously do not like the McCarthy transfer bullshit, nor the Koeman bullshit from him. I sincerely hope that privately Moshiri has told Koeman to cut out this shite.

The humiliation at Chelsea was not about bad tactics. It was about players refusing to play, as happened at Anfield last season. Stones, in his first interview after leaving, hinted at this very strongly.

Is it just coincidence that, in the same week as that capitulation at Chelsea, our younger teams went out of their respective competitions?

Something rotten in the kingdom. of Moshiri?

My hopes for the future lie with Moshiri. A new stadium, new investment and a long-term vision, means that, if the journeyman gets us to success and silverware before Barca call – then I can live with that. I don't need to love the manager. I initially did that with Moyes and that got us nowhere – but it's a real shame that Koeman has caused many of us to at least question his appointment after only 5 months.

However, an FA Cup win and Europa League qualification will have me eating 'Humble Pie' gladly!

Well, we all surely agree that we have seen some absolute dross this season, first halves against West Brom, Sunderland and Bournemouth, Norwich, Palace, Burnley and then Chelsea.

I've said before I am not convinced. Talk of transfer windows being some sort of salvation is wide of the mark. The manager is failing to select the right players and to get the best out of those he does. That is the essence of management and currently, from me, he gets 5/10 – could do much better.

To put it bluntly, there's a lot of driftwood to be moved on. He's had to get the players fit & organised and change the mentality. There's a lot of work to be done. The likes of Gibson, Kone, Niasse, etc simply have to be moved on.

The jury is out on several others – Deulofeu, Mirallas, Barkley etc. He can't do much about these players now with the transfer window shut. He may not even be able to move them on in January. But to suggest the honeymoon period is over barely 3 months in is wide of the mark, in my opinion – we are 7th in the league!

I agree that he got the tactics completely wrong on Saturday against Chelsea. Trying to match them in formation was a recipe for disaster – they have better players than us, and it showed. But give the man some time.

If Everton had competed in European football in the 1930s, Britton would have won everything.

As a manager, Britton was not a great success. However, he was never given any transfer funds and the directors consistently interfered with what he did. Britton operated on a shoestring. In my view, his greatest failure was not to re-sign Tommy Lawton.

Will Koeman's biggest mistake be not to re-sign Wayne Rooney?

Just read an article on the difference Eddie Jones has made to England, with pretty much the same personnel. Such fairy tale outcomes are indeed rare but whatever has happened to 'the most talented squad we have seen in a generation'? Methinks the Emperor never had any clothes in the first place, or maybe Oxford is just around the corner ... again?

I'm done.

You think it might be better to "go for someone else with a longer-term strategy"? What, like someone who says it's a two-year project, minimum, who needs a load of transfer windows before he can make this "his team"?

Would it not therefore be a tad premature to call time on 3-year Ron after barely a dozen games?

There is cause for concern, I suspect, and that's the risk that these players who initially did their best to implement the new manager's new methods, have been torn to shreds by him and are no longer prepared to put in the effort. I'm worried that's what it looks like, but we'll see if they buckle down or go on strike.

Koeman should not have answered the question the way he did, but he believes what he said.

Koeman, from all I've been able to glean from TWer's responses, will not care about the fans' opinion of his statement. He is not an Evertonian, and never will be.

The only "we" in Koeman's world are the players and the coaches. It does not matter what the colour of the shirt is.

He will try to build a winning side, because he hates to lose.

Everton is his current club. It will not be his last. He will not identify with his next "projects" fans, either... unless it's Real Madrid.

The contempt with which he has treated Evertonians first by talking of Everton in the third person and then advising Lukaku that he will only be successful elsewhere is way beyond the pale and Koeman has brought it all on himself.

Mr Moshiri and Ronald need to think a little bit longer before opening their mouths because at this stage they have both 'ballsed up' on the image front.

Fixture wise, Koeman, apart from a couple of obvious ones, couldn't have had an easier introduction to his new job, I doubt we will be 7th for much longer.

Six months and two transfer windows will tells us where the present incumbents are taking us, or if it's more of the last 20 years.

Howard Kendall and Colin Harvey were far better players than Koeman, a decent galoot of a centre half who played in teams with great players but he wasn't one.

Personally, I think he should be shown the door immediately, his body language, miserable demeanour and "everything's too much trouble" attitude are hanging around like a bad smell.

Oh, and his recent record is appalling. He's making Martinez's last few months seem like the good old days.

I used to hate sacking managers unless absolutely necessary but times have changed and it's now more dangerous to persevere with a bad appointment, a lesson we already knew from Mike Walker.

In addition, apart from Chelsea, they have been big clubs for many years, decades even, thereby making it easier to attract top players. So the change-the-manager-as-often-as-me-boxies approach is more Sunderland than Barca.

Finally, we're joint 6th in the table with a 5-3-3 record, not struggling in the bottom 3, so get a grip. Koeman, or any other manager needs at least 18 months to put his/their philosophy into effect. Yes, the Chelsea performance was appalling and we're all still shell shocked by it, but as the old cliche goes, what doesn't kill you etc etc.

Really, Paul? Do you marry every girl you wake up with?

How does one instantly "become" Evertonian? Is there a pill you can take, or a switch you can flip? Maybe implant a tiny gland, just under the thyroid?

Darryl (#25) is spot-on. Being a football manager is a job. Period. He is hired to win games, not to fall in love with the club. Koeman's tenure at Everton will end, probably within three years, in one of two ways – he'll be lured away, or he'll be sacked. He will not be here for decades, he will not bleed blue, and he will not have the club crest tattooed on his chest.

Fire him after 11 games? Ridiculous. He's had one partial summer transfer period, and he brought in three new starters. Give him a January and a full summer to get in all the players he wants, and another 50 games to stamp the side with his philosophy, and let's see where we are then. My guess is we'll all be a lot happier.

Andrew, find a hobby while you convalesce. You need to let the swelling go down.

Come off it – it's going to take at least a full year before you see things get better post-Martinez.

We have a team/squad of nearly-men, lazy players, half-arsed footballers who have bits of talent but a shitty attitude, and overall a squad of players coached by a bloke who doesn't know his footballing arse from his elbow – you can't expect things to get better overnight, which in relative terms, is all you've given him.

I couldn't care less if Chelsea stuffed us 5-0, so what? Give it time, give him time to sign a few more players, and get them playing the way he wants them to – then judge him. While he's rebuilding he needs our support, not our criticism.

I think at the start of the year if you had been told Everton would be competing with Man Utd and Spurs for 5th place after 12 games you would (should) have been quite content.

I think the new signings that have come in have done quite well including the keeper but it's been the others like Mirallas, Deulofeu, Cleverley, Barkley who have been the most disappointing.

Yes, Koeman has put himself under pressure now with the fans with the recent things he has said, but we are just making it harder for him coming in to a very challenging December.

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