Faith, Hope & Charity

It's not just getting in new players, or even a new manager, it's much deeper than that.Its a complete change of attitude from those who run the club.

Can we as fans influence that change? I believe we can! Pressure has to be brought on the club, and our displeasure, and concern manifested on match day.

It's our club,passed down from generation to generation. We owe it to our children and grandchildren to protect it from the incompetence we are witnessing today.

Secondly, I do believe there is a team there but I cannot for the life of me see what Sam has brought. Remember our best performance was Unsy last game in charge. Unsy was not appointed because he didn't get the results but most of his games were away from home. Sam's recorded is not any better.

We are now in serious trouble as I cannot see three worse teams with the possible exception of West Brom, We are only 7 points ahead of the second from bottom and all of these are getting significant results.

My biggest worry is Sam, his lack of responsibility for what is going on, his substitutions. If I was a conspiracy theorist I would say that it would suit Sam that we go down because then we would not get the high profile manager we need and he would be in a prime position to say I can bring you straight back up because I have the experience.

Maybe I am paranoid but nothing at the moment makes any sense.

By the way, I do not agree on the Martina who has become a whipping boy. I think he tries to put in a good shift in every game which could not be said of many of the other. He makes mistakes but yesterday look at Pickford, Williams, Keane, Davies, Walcott to name but a few.

For me it all starts and finishes with Kenwright who is happy to bask in the glory of “his” trainset.

He has mugged supporters and investors for over 20 years making himself a very rich man in the process.

If we look at successful operations in any industry they set out a culture and a plan. When they search for a manager it is thoughtfully done.

Under Kenwright, our culture has been divide and rule and there has never been a plan except to survive. Managers have been chosen by convenience rather than a proper review.

We fell lucky with Moyes, who was the right man at the right time, but recommended by Walter Smith – the manager we were sacking. Then followed another lazy appointment who was recommended by Bill's best mate, Dave Whelan.

Martinez came in and destroyed the team spirit and camaraderie that Moyes had painstakingly built up and we have never recovered that. The club is now in chaos with opinions divided everywhere. We really need some strong leadership to recover this situation and some tough decisions need to be made.

Come on, Mr Moshiri – show us your leadership qualities and take control of this sinking ship, or appoint someone who can... but it is certainly not Kenwright or Elstone.

Is it because they don't have to point at Bill, and Moshiri now becomes a convenient scapegoat? How long would our neighbours have put up with the fraud who has been clapped on the big screen?

We are reaping what we have sown. Too late for protestations now. 30 years of surviving isn't Moshiri's fault. That is the 'fabric' of Everton. The deputy CEO will be kipping in the Park End shortly. That is Everton.

Why as fans we continually turn on creative players while letting Neanderthals off the hook, I don't know.

On the broader front I agree with you. The future must start with getting Allardyce out of here and installing a manager whose purpose is to build a team committed to attractive entertaining and attacking football win or lose.

Who are the Neanderthals you say we are letting off the hook?

As Kevin alludes to, seems somewhat ironic that, as we reach the point where we've all had enough, the fingers start pointing at an individual who's only been on board a couple of years and has actually put his money where his mouth is.

Where I would agree is that it is now becoming louder and growing. I've been as frustrated as anybody about the apathy among many supporters. So I agree with the point that as a fan base we've allowed this to happen. But there have been plenty of questions raised and distrust.

Where I think it is different now is that we all thought things would massively change with Moshiri. Yes, there has been a change in the money invested in the running of the club and wiping the debts. But, for the life of me, I can not understand how he has allowed Kenwright to remain as Chairman and Elstone to remain as CEO. That act alone deserves massive questions.

All good and well going on forums and phone ins moaning and complaining but when it has mattered, it has never really materialised and that is outside Goodison in droves.

Those lot across the park demonstrated and by not turning up when they increased there ticket pricing. It got overturned soon after. They hounded Gillette and Hicks out of town.

The Emirates was less than half-full on Thursday night, the fans have had enough and change will be imminent in the summer when Wenger is gone.

Will there be many empty seats this Saturday at home to Brighton? Of course there won't be. It will be a full house. Our fans' mindset will never change and that's a huge part of the problem with this club over the decades. Apathy amongst fans is very evident.

And this is nowhere near the worst Everton side – the worst manager, yes.

And Pickford was responsible for the equaliser (I read some more).

The top two teams at present are those who try to win. A by-product of that is entertaining football. Go out with a fingers-crossed, "hope we don't lose but might sneak one" mentality and you hit a glass ceiling. Winners try to win, not avoid defeat.

I understand your disappointment about Everton supporters not demonstrating on the streets, but as far as I'm aware it has never been part of the culture of our support. There have been moments of anger, such as painting of walls or jostling of managers, but not much more than that.

Many people say that the fans from over the park were responsible for the removal of certain people from their club; they might have lit the blue touch paper, but it was the media and the friends of their club who did the most damage to anybody that looked as if they would hold their beloved club back.

Everton FC has no such friends and the media in general couldn't give a damn whether our club were in the top four or the fourth division and that includes the local media.

Staying away from the stadium is as good a method as any of showing your displeasure at the current state of affairs but, given we still require a few more points, how will that help the team? Besides which most tickets were purchased well before the season started, so the club itself isn't going to receive a financial hit by stay-away supporters.

Passive, weak and gutless you call our support, well let me say that to follow this club during the last 30 years has taken a great deal of effort and no lack of strength. It also takes quite a lot of guts for an Evertonian to face family and friends who support our rivals when they are trying to defend the club and the team, when they know deep down that they are often not worth defending.

Apathy towards the current manager and squad and the club itself is growing but that is because of the performances out on the pitch which, despite what some say, were not that great for most of the previous eleven years and they have gotten steadily worse in the last three years.

No mass demonstration would have forced Bill Kenwright to sell his shares if he didn't want to sell. No mass demonstration will result in Bill stepping down from his current role at the club, nor will it lead to any other director being forcibly removed.

I want Allardyce relieved of his duties as soon as possible and, if he is still in his job come August, I will seriously consider staying away from Goodison until he has gone – but the club already has my money so it might not hurt the club as much as it hurts me.

As for the business side of the club, I don't see what non-shareholders can achieve by barking at the moon, no matter how loudly, no matter how many participate. The only real way we can criticise certain aspects of the club is on sites like this one. It may not have any effect but I believe, if the views on here are taken seriously by the club, that will have far more influence than a baying mob.

No, what is different this time is that we haven't got a team, we've got players but the epithet "team" does not apply.

The centre backs don't work together, one to the left one to the right, or even one attacking the ball and one sweeping, the left back has no left foot, the defensive midfielders tackle but can't use the ball and as for the chaos of the attacking midfield, words fail me. Each week we have a different lottery of these individuals and each week we are disappointed that yet again there is no cohesion.

Who's to blame? Various managers who've failed to create a team and to coach them. Walsh for his recruitment and above all Moshiri and Kenwright for appointing total inadequates to run our club.

Get something organized then.

If Martinez leads Belgium to World Cup glory, I will volunteer to eat Allardyce's head. And that would be a task that would take me to the World Cup in Qatar 2022 to complete.

Personally, I will always choose to go to the match when I can. I will renew my season ticket. Some say this makes me compliant with the malaise within the club; possibly they are right, but I like to be there.

I agree that protesting at the game during the game tends to work against the team out on the pitch, and we cannot afford to do that while we are pursuing points to ensure safety. However, if and when those points come, I would be very much in favour of the old-fashioned handclap and chants of “What a load of rubbish”.

If cushions were also available, so much the better. It would do the prima donnas on the pitch, and the complacent ones off it, the world of good to feel Goodison at its most venomous.

Allardyce's head will be like and AldiEaster egg – misleadingly large, but fuck all inside.

Anyone could do that.

So is the question that the money they are now being paid – all of them, not just ours – is giving too much power to the players? Chelsea in 2016-17 got Jose sacked. We probably all agree that, until Moyes left, we were better than the sum of the parts. Now, we are worse than the sum of the parts.

Back in Moyes's last season, the back 4 played 83% of the time. This season, it is 67%. So it is chopped and changed and we are left with a young 20-year-old, a right-back playing on the left, a young guy who is lacking confidence, an old guy who is going downhill fast, and the best of them all is 35 and suffers from too many injuries now, and a 33-year-old who is also nearing the end of his career.

And I agree, the whole club does seem very badly organised and unprofessional. But it has for many a year. Others have overtaken us. And that is what happened in 1992 and is happening again.

Allardyce is an easy target at the moment and we will still have all the other problems when he is finally gone.

So what comes after Allardyce for Everton FC?

Sadly we know it will be more of the same.

The constant change in manager doesn't help, it's a vicious circle. They either don't get the leadership and inspiration from the manager and coaches, or they don't respect the manager or buy in to what the manager wants so no desire or discipline on the pitch as a team or as individuals, eg, Williams.

Those that run the club (excluding Moshiri) have been complacent for years. A lack of pressure and accountability in the club though has now started to show through the cracks.

I wonder if there's a parallel (to some extent) with what's happened to Arsenal. I think (without being that knowledgeable of Arsenal) David Dein was their strongman. Now they aren't what they were and Wenger has stayed on far too long (the complete opposite situation to us). Though I'd still swap the last 20 years of Arsenal with the last 20 years we've had!

We changed too much, too soon, and in doing so have created a squad without leaders, who are all walking round, looking at the floor, thinking "What the fuck am I doing here."

It's rubbed off very quickly on the manager, because he knows he wasn't wanted in the first place. He knows the fans fucking hate him, and he's probably looking at some of these players, who don't seem to give a fuck, and is thinking that they are not really his problem either?

Look how poor we are defensively, when we open up even a little bit. Burnley were awful, but we couldn't even control the midfield when we had the extra body in there, and this is definitely not down to the manager?

This is the softest Everton team I have ever witnessed: no heart, no soul, and not enough players, who really give a fuck, with the attitude from too many, that it will all be over soon, and it's got fuck all to do with me anyway.

So sad, but so true, because if these players have just spent a week away together trying to bond, then after witnessing us play since then, it just looks like they haven't got much time for each other?

The appointment of Allardyce was to keep Everton in the Premier League. That, folks, is what counts. Nothing else.... absolutely nothing else.

How long now have we been banging and banging on about the true blue shithouse penniless bastard that enveigled our club all those many years ago??

You know, in a surreal kind of way (in my view), this club is run in a weirdly similar way to this country... ie, the same slovenly penny-pinching toerags, the promises, the money promised for services, the lack of central backing, clearly (till Moshiri) the debts etc etc.

Whereas Liverpool are run as a frontline professional hard-nosed brand imbued with a wherewithal of direction and business savvy.

And in a similitude of this country, nothing will change in my opinion till 'those' people (Sun, Mail and Star readers, anti-immigration Brexit voters, "Bill's a blue", "Careful what you wish for – remember Blackburn (The Venkys)?" Rooney – saved the clubbers (Gawd) etc, Kopite behaviour cetra.

Well that 'time' could well be staring us right now in our faces I fear.

I would love and hope that the Gwladys Street kicks off this weekend and the ever-growing band(s) of similar-minded fans join in with 'em, 'cos that's just about all we've got left now ,as far as I can see.

After 'cetra', add "Get their noses rubbed right in it."
(ie, post-Brexit monetary collapse, and – in Everton's case – relegation).

Lenny @21, your mention of Martinez and the World Cup brings back memories of him swanning around in Brazil, spouting his usual BS on TV, when he should have been organising the club's pre-season.

The same could be said about the Koeman brothers, who insisted on completing their golfing holiday before taking charge of a club in turmoil. That's how much respect they had for Everton.

Bill Kenwright and his board of couldn't-care-less lick-spittle tax-dodging self-serving pals were the main culprits by kowtowing to the demands of those charlatans.

Instead of 𧶲 mill on the side of a big red bus, maybe you'd like Moshiri, Bill and Joe to stand adjacent to a stone-embossed 𧺬 million figure on the entrance to Bramley-Moore docks? Then, as the painstaking process takes place, we can try and trash it at every juncture.

Arsenal and Chelsea will likely finish in the top six but Wenger and Conte will likely be sent packing before Allardyce will.

But no, typical Everyone, we stood still and now we've gone significantly backwards. Ever since that season our recruitment policy has been woeful. Name me one player who has been a success? Fast forward 4 years and we now have a team that has lost all it's identity and quality on the pitch.

We lack pace, power and any sort of goal scoring threat. How can his happen after we have spent over £200 million. How can it be that fans can pin point our weaknesses but people who get paid millions can't.

What needs to happen now is a clear-out of all the deadwood which starts with the current manager and director of football who are nothing short of a disgrace. Comparing us to teams such as Newcastle and West Ham who have never won a raffle – let alone 9 league titles – is embarrassing.

We need to recruit a young manager who has a set plan and way of playing football. A manager who knows what players he wants. Players that fit into the right system and not like the current set up who have managed splurge £200M on individuals who not only can't play together and have as much pride and character as a cardboard box.

It's time to start planning for the future and use the investment that we have so badly craved for years wisely; otherwise, we will start to lose fans forever.

I beg to differ sir. Allardyce's decision making re team selection and formations leads one to believe that he is as thick as a brick. And that substance takes a lot of chewing and swallowing. Just like everything else about his tenure at Everton. Short lived though it will prove to be.

Biggest heap of shit I have watched for over 55 years and no sign of improvement.

Moshiri – clean the whole freakin' management lot out and start again!

The chickens who were talked about then are coming home to roost; let's stop them before they hatch.

The club thrive on being small time, we sneer at corporate faceless giants like Man Utd and the rabble over the road. To what end?

We as fans often are guilty too, we overplay loyalty and kindness, and history as a the benchmark for being Evertonians, yet we win nothing, compete with no-one. We have resisted the modern global world to the point of extinction as a major force in English football.

The vacuum of innovation and creativity to bridge this gap is scandalously negligent. We have ‘relatively' lots of money and the fact we cannot attract or won't consider getting a business leader(s) with market leading expertise is maddening.

I personally believe the gap is so big, now only the implosion of global market with bring us back in line with our peers.

That mourning you identify with is exactly that, the nagging thought that that's our lot, we are done.

Please keep the business insight coming and truly, if you and the EBM boys venture to New York, the supporters club would love to see at a game!

UTFT!