Rooney charged with drink driving

Friday 1 September 2017  377 Comments  [Jump to last]
Cheshire Police have confirmed that Wayne Rooney was arrested on suspicion of driving over the legal limit for alcohol consumption in the early hours of this morning.

The Everton striker was stopped at around 2am by officers as he drove a black VW Beetle on Altrincham Road, Wilmslow.

He was released on bail but has subsequently been charged with drink driving and is scheduled to appear before a Magistrate's Court on 18 September.  

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Jimmy Salt
1 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:19:09
Fuck me never mind a cab he could afford a permanent driver.
Distinct lack of self control from a role model.
Not acceptable mate.
Steve Ferns
2 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:29:06
Depends on his reading before we go off on the deep end at him. Big difference between a couple of pints and a couple of points over the limit to being 4 or 5 times the limit.

That said, why wasn't he in bed asleep? Why was he drinking mid-season, even if he doesn't have a game for 10 days?

We now live in an age were players such as Ronaldo have sleep coaches, and other players sleep in rehab chambers to speed up recovery after a game, never mind an actual injury. Players should also employ a nutritionist and ensure everything going into their bodies is for optimum performance, which means Rooney skipping the Big Macs he is fond of.

Alcohol slows recovery and long term has an effect. As does smoking. These players are paid extraordinary wages to live extraordinary lives and they should not drink or smoke. They have the rest of their lives to smoke or drink whatever they want with their vast fortunes (over many many millions) made from their playing careers.

Curious as to why he was driving a VW beetle, must be his wife's car, and there must be a story to this.

Drew O'Neall
3 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:29:45
Drink driving, not necessarily 'drunk'.

Not acceptable, least of all with his means. Demonstrates a flagrant lack of respect for the law of the land, his status as England hall of famer and his club.

I wonder which kopite scumbag shopped him to the police as he left the car park.

Ian Hollingworth
4 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:33:00
Great timing, Wayne!
Paul Columb
5 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:35:09
The past 24 hours has likely been shrugged off by many a blue as 'Everton that'.
Brian Harrison
6 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:42:17
Dont know why British players have this drink culture, this has been going on for 50 years or more. Doesn't seem to be the culture of the foreign players, seems gambling and drinking is very much a British disease.

There have been many players who have been done for drink driving but I can never remember one being the main item on both ITV and BBC news. All the top clubs have coaches for everything so maybe they need to have coaches who can teach them the folly of a professional athlete drinking. I would have thought that Rooney being at that stage of his career would be trying to look after his body better than this.

Tony Everan
7 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:44:11
Taxi ! , Wayne
Anto Byrne
8 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:46:21
No excuse especially with Uber. AA?
Roberto Birquet
9 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:48:45
Divvy! How bad, and can it carry custodial sentence?? Coulda been worse. Jesus. You've got the money. Get a driver!
James Morgan
11 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:50:04
What a dipstick. Why would anyone, especially someone in the public limelight like Wayne, drink drive? The guy can afford a return taxi from anywhere in the country yet he goes out on the lash and drives back. Fine him two weeks wages and whatever the courts issue, he deserves it.

Strangely, was he was driving a VW Beetle...

Derek Knox
12 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:51:07
Tony, exactly, the money he's on, it's just stupidity on his part, not to get a taxi. I am afraid I have no sympathy there mate.

It could become awkward if he get's a ban, how does he get to and from training?

Don't quote me, but hasn't he been caught before?

Hopefully shouldn't impact too much more than that, may even send out a warning to the others!

Mike Gaynes
13 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:52:07
Well, so much for that old leadership thing.

'Example for the young lads' and all.

Steve Ferns
14 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:53:54

Save this link for next time Wayne. They drive you home in your own car, so no excuses.

Ian Glassey
15 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:54:19
Our season just gets worse, he has been out too many times with his mate Gibson.
Mark Rankin
16 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:55:37
Guess I'm not the only one with a deadline day hangover :(
Brian Porter
17 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:56:59
Koeman specifically said he had warned him about his drinking when he signed for us and was given promises such behaviour would not reoccur. Didn't last long Wayne, did it? Shades of Gazza methinks.
John G Davies
18 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:57:39
He may have had one bottle of beer that took him over the limit.
Not good admittedly but let's not hang him until we know.
Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 01/09/2017 at 15:58:34
Derek #12, not as far as I know... but he was seen to be totally bombed at a wedding reception last year.
Chris Gould
20 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:05:58
If he was only slightly over the limit he would have had the opportunity to have blood or urine sent to the lab to check the exact measurement of alcohol in his body. The fact that he has already been charged means that his breathalyzer readings must have been high enough to be beyond doubt.

He's been a bloody idiot.

Lenny Kingman
21 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:15:45
This is Wayne Rooney we are talking about here.

Rich little poor boy with more money than sense. He will never change his habits or suddenly become Einstein off the pitch.

Koeman has his hands full trying to keep the Croxteth rebel in line. In fact, he won't be able too. It's up to Wayne. One thing he did learn from Fergie was that he does what he likes. More proof of that on a dark South Cheshire road in today's early hours.

I just hope he can keep a modicum of dignity on the field of play to help the blues forward to the new promised land supposedly coming over the horizon.

James Stewart
22 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:17:36
Idiot. It's one thing having few too many, we could all forgive that he isn't playing for awhile, but the moment you step behind a wheel after drinking you just become an utter fool. He should know better at his age. If Ross or Rom had done this people would have been stoking up the bonfire.
Kenny Smith
24 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:18:47
Steve Ferns, thanks for the lesson in how alcohol can cause you problems.

It's the only crime people from all walks of life get done for.

Wayne's massively in the wrong but I doubt he needs a load of people telling him so.

Ian Burns
25 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:20:25
To say I'm disappointed is an understatement. To say I'm surprised, I would be telling an untruth. I wanted EFC to hit the headlines with a high profile striker and what do we get – a high profile drinker.

What a 24 hours. Where's the ruddy gin?

Dermot Byrne
26 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:25:21
Is Jim White a defence?
Brian Williams
27 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:26:25
Depends on his reading before we go off on the deep end at him. Big difference between a couple of pints and a couple of points over the limit to being 4 or 5 times the limit.

I wonder which kopite scumbag shopped him to the police as he left the car park.

He may have had one bottle of beer that took him over the limit.
Not good admittedly but let's not hang him until we know.


Jackie Barry
28 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:30:11
Just wondering how many on ToffeeWeb do the same thing, or have done the same thing at some point. It would be interesting if flags could pop up on each member as their conscience brought forth the truth about their past. Of course it doesn't make what Rooney did right, it is very wrong and he should be punished accordingly.
Mike Gaynes
29 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:32:12
Ian, if there was ever a day for the Bombay, this is it. Have one for me, will you?
Michael Lynch
30 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:32:46
Jackie I've never been above the limit in charge of a car in my life, and I've been driving over 30 years. He's not a fucking kid, it's unforgivably stupid and irresponsible.

John G Davies
31 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:35:33
Brian, 27


Jackie Barry
32 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:36:00
Unforgivable? Irresponsible yes, but unforgivable, hmmm.

Good for you, Michael, too, I assume you mean you never drink and drive right? As I am sure you are aware there are people who do, and think they are fine only to find out otherwise. Or you could carry a personal breathalyzer.

Tanvir Akram
33 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:36:10
I hear it was a office worker's car and he was driving her home... hmmm.

He should know better; however, I will wait for the full facts first.

David Booth
34 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:37:11
This'll be the Wayne Rooney that all the sentimental fantasists welcomed 'home' because he would be a great inspiration to the younger players at the club, I assume?

Big mistake welcoming him back like some sort of messiah – when clearly he is a very naughty boy.

Mark Tanton
35 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:38:11
Yes he was driving her Beetle apparently. 10 hours drinking and driving an unfamiliar car – terrible, dangerous judgement. And to top it off he was probably going shafting.
John G Davies
36 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:38:17

"I will wait for the full facts first."

Too late; you have spread the gossip.

Tom Bowers
37 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:38:35
I would imagine many of us have rode our luck somewhere along the line even if it was just half a pint more than we should have.

These days, there is no excuse, just like smoking, as we are all well aware of the consequences and being a celebrity can make you more of a target and a feather in the cap of the officer who stops you.

Sadly, we humans being who we are, always think it will never happen to us, getting caught or being in an accident.

John G Davies
38 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:39:49
Mark 35,

Welcome to Tanvirs club.

Dermot Byrne
39 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:41:24
Agree, Michael: "stupid and irresponsible"... but "unforgivably"? Don't become a judge will ya.
Jackie Barry
40 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:43:11
I agree David, unfortunately the two don't go hand in hand and people really should realize that. Bringing a winning mentality does not equal bringing along good moral standards, even crap, no winning mentality footballers can have that. Of course you can have both but usually with success comes all the other formalities. What is it they say, money is the root of all evil?
Jackie Barry
42 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:46:59
Totally agree, Dave. And he should be made an example of by the club.
James Byrne
45 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:50:53
Unfortunately Rooney now loses a shed load of credibility after his move back to Everton. It's no point people whinging about some "kopite" shopping him to the police.

The lad has about £100 Million in the bank! What the fuck is wrong with these "celebrities"? He could afford to have a Rolls Royce and drivers at every home / place of work that he wishes just off the interest alone.

Now he just looks like another gobshite footballer.

Michael Lynch
46 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:51:19
Yeah, ok I withdraw "unforgivably". But I'll stick with "irresponsible" and I'll throw in an "inexcusably stupid". There's no excuse.
Jimmy Salt
48 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:04:53
Let's be clear people. Whether you have had the odd too many vino tintos and rode your luck home is irrelevant. When you can show me how that would be excusable to someone who has had a family member hurt or worse by a driver over the limit, then you can judge amounts levels etc.

It's wrong, full stop. And anyone in a position of example should know better.

Jackie Barry
49 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:08:38
Considering his past allegations of cheating he should know better. I hope he gets a rollicking from his wife and hopefully this doesn't stress her out as she is currently pregnant. He should be at home with his family and unfortunately this shows he still hasn't grown up. What a man, NOT!
Martin Mason
50 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:09:59
Come on, guys, difficult for a man on his pay to afford a driver.
Mike Gaynes
51 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:18:42
John G #36-38, that account is in the Sun, with maps and everything. Granted it's a shit rag of a paper, but that account would explain why he was driving a dinky car that wasn't his and heading in the opposite direction from his own house at 2am.

Brian Hennessy
52 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:21:10
This is utterly disgraceful No excuse to be driving a VW Beetle on his wages...
Denis Richardson
53 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:21:27
Doesn't give me much pleasure in saying the only surprise I have is that something like this has happened so soon!

He's known to be a regular drinker and smoker (great combo for a professional sportsman) so there's no real surprise there. He'll say sorry, won't happen again and get a slap on the wrists. Then it will happen again a few months later. Repeat.

This guy is not a role model for the youngsters and never has been. Main benefit of having him is his attitude on the pitch. Off it, best not to dwell on it. He's always been like this.

Glad no one got hurt at least. Anything over the limit is not acceptable so I don't agree with the 'he may have only just been over'.

As mentioned above, the guy can afford an army of chauffeurs! Never mind a bloody taxi.

Anthony Dwyer
54 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:22:29
Reckon the thought of playing with Calvert-Lewin or Sandro all season sent him over the edge?
Steve Durham
55 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:26:03
Stupid immature prick – he's as thick as a castle wall! There's no excuse for drink-driving.

Love Everton, hate what modern-day football stands for.

Keith Monaghan
56 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:32:04
Dennis @ 53 - totally agree.
This again demonstrates why we shouldn't have brought him back - what a great example to our young players of how not to live your life as a professional sportsman.
Living in S.Manchester only about 5 miles from him I can assure you he was well over the limit and had been out for several hours.
It also shows the root cause of his fitness issues over the last 2/3 seasons.
Peter Gorman
57 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:35:48
No objection to Rooney enjoying a cheeky pint every now and again, unlike the Holy Mary's commenting above. But to be over the limit is the sure-fire sign of a knob.
Jay Woods
58 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:37:37
He's embarrassed the club but, in the process, taken some heat off the strikerless transfer deadline day debacle. Old Kenwright must be so pleased. Or maybe he was the one who shopped him...
Sam Hoare
59 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:38:48
I said when he signed that I doubted exactly how good an 'influence' he would be on the youngsters. Terrible behaviour for a supposed role model and one very much in keeping with the other stories that go round about him.
Jackie Barry
60 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:49:25
Duncan Drunken Ferguson, club hero – got banned for a year, right?

Also could be what you could call a knob at times but is still a legend, right?
Bob Hannigan
61 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:56:57

Can you say UBER?

David Barks
62 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:58:07
What a total disgrace.
Tom Sauce
63 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:58:39
Absolute disgrace. The FA should hand out 1-year bans to drink drivers. He could have killed someone.

The man showed his class shagging granny prostitutes and hasn't changed. Clearly he has an alcohol problem.

Wazza indeed.

Bob Hannigan
64 Posted 01/09/2017 at 17:59:35
It happens here in the US of A as well.

Not specifically directed at Wayne Rooney but, with the wages they command, can't they hire a full-time driver?

Mike Gaynes
65 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:02:50
Bob, I'm sure he would have hired a driver to pick him up at the young lady's house.


Liam Reilly
66 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:05:17
A poor error of judgement. I'm sure he's paying for it with both barrels from his lass and Koeman will be no shrinking voilet to deal with either.

Can't condone what he's done, it's stupid and he's fortunate that it wasn't worse with an accident, but we're all human and can make mistakes, no matter how much money we're on.

He's running out of chances.

Stan Schofield
67 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:06:24
There can't be any excuses. But, if he turns in a few good performances and scores a few goals, it'll quickly be forgotten about.
David Barks
68 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:13:02
Out at 2 am, with another woman, driving after drinking, while his wife is home pregnant. I guess England duty was just getting in the way of his drinking and cheating on his wife.

But he's a legend, because he saw fit to return to us after leaving as a teenager and being deemed no longer good enough at Man Utd. Just the type of example for Davies and Lookman and Calvert-Lewin to learn from.

Mike Gaynes
69 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:13:22
No, it won't, Stan. Certainly not by Koeman... forgiven, eventually, but never forgotten.

And if this was an attempt to score off the pitch, it'll never be forgotten at home.

John Francis
70 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:16:17
If he called a cab he wouldn't have had to go home with her would he? So why did he go home with her?

Just two of the questions Colleen will have fired at him this morning. This is not going to end well. Knobhead.

John Francis
71 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:19:26
@70 I am assuming the girl in this story is true. If not I apologise for the assumption, but hes still a knobhead
Jeff Hough
72 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:21:14
All those years at the Mancs and the knobhead gets caught while with us. Twat!
Mark Morrissey
73 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:22:32
I hope that he wasn't drowning his sorrows for not being involved in the current England squad. You can lambast me as much as you like. We heard the other day from some of the England players saying that the England camp didn't feel the same without Wayne being around. I just hope this wasn't a case of Wayne missing the buzz of an England camp and drowning his sorrows. The last thing he needs right now is to resort to the bottle like Gazza did. The club need to get into him straight away and help him and watch him, millions or no millions. We're all the same deep down
John Daley
74 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:27:18
Mike @69,

It didn't seem to bother Koeman too much when Ever Banega got done for the same at Valencia. There was a qoute from Jouquin at the time....who was dropped from the squad for turning up to a team meeting two minutes late, while Banega was selected after being stopped by the police, stinking of booze....something along the lines of 'Maybe I should get rat-arsed and run a red light next time. Might get a game'.

Dave Abrahams
75 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:29:21
Jackie. (40), I think the full saying is. 'The love of money is the root of all evil '. Could be followed by ' Those who live by the sword will die by the sword', although not literally in this case.
Damian Wilde
76 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:34:32
Drew O'Neil:

"DRINK driving, not necessarily 'drunk'."

"I wonder which kopite scumbag shopped him to the police as he left the car park."

So you think drink driving is okay? Ridiculous. Good on them whoever shopped him.

Damian Wilde
77 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:34:43
Drew O'Neil:

"DRINK driving, not necessarily 'drunk'."

"I wonder which kopite scumbag shopped him to the police as he left the car park."

So you think drink driving is okay? Ridiculous. Good on them whoever shopped him.

Damian Wilde
78 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:37:51
Mark, whilst it a disgrace what he has done, speculating why you think he was drinking and worrying he may be a full blown alchy is ridiculous.
Rudi Coote
79 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:40:04
His life... His mistakes get over it.
Mike Berry
80 Posted 01/09/2017 at 18:48:16
Absolute idiot, ok sometimes even atheletes want to relax and have an occasional drink but obviously not near game time.
But this is not the first time the fool has done this, also the moron could not even have the sense to order a taxi prior to the event.
Out at 2am with his wife expecting a baby too, but..what really is a disgrace is that he is shown in the media reporting as being an Everton player and this drags us down as a club.
Mike Gaynes
82 Posted 01/09/2017 at 19:03:12
John #74, that's interesting, wasn't familiar with that story. I do remember the story of a drunken Banega breaking his leg trying to stop his car from rolling into a petrol pump. But I think Koeman was gone from Valencia by that time.

You might be right... perhaps Koeman is of the old-school boys-will-be-boys philosophy, in which case the repercussions wouldn't extend to the pitch.

John #70, if Rooney turns up for training looking like Barkley after the bar fight, we'll know his answers didn't satisfy the missus.

Sam Barrett
83 Posted 01/09/2017 at 19:07:31
Jeff @ 72, or more likely now he's come back to Everton for his 'retirement' he doesn't give a fuck any more and doesn't have to be so careful as when he was at Utd?
Geoff Trenner
84 Posted 01/09/2017 at 19:27:33
The club should have a zero tolerance policy. Drink driving is unforgivable. Sack him.
Mark Daley
85 Posted 01/09/2017 at 19:38:22
Not so much a role model as a roll out the barrel model!

This is a non-story...

Andy Crooks
86 Posted 01/09/2017 at 19:46:38
Geoff, no one can condone what Rooney has done. It is not, in my view unforgivable or a sacking offence. The courts will deal with him, severely I hope. People do stupid stuff, all of us. We learn and get better.

Will Mabon
87 Posted 01/09/2017 at 19:50:42
"Can you say UBER? "

Preferably, no. Best to use a local company that has to abide by all the local rules, allows its drivers to at least earn minimum/"living" wage for most of the week, isn't out to thieve away as much of the taxi market in the western world as possible, ready for the coming transition to driverless cars, and isn't backed by the usual globalist interests, as indicated by the "Mysterious" financial ability to unceasingly advertise all over commercial radio, all over the world.

I agree with the intent of the statement, though - get a taxi or private hire ride home when pissed.

Will Mabon
88 Posted 01/09/2017 at 19:59:17
"So you think drink driving is okay? Ridiculous."

I don't know as he meant it that black-and-white, but being unfit through drink is unacceptable, and there has to be a limit by which to measure. It's a fools game to do it, for myriad reasons. Better to just not do it at all.


"Good on them whoever shopped him."

Very dangerous to advocate and celebrate the snitch mindset, particularly in this day and age, in my humble opinion.

Geoff Trenner
90 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:01:14
Andy @ 86. In my businesses and in every other business that I have worked with or for, it is considered gross misconduct and therefore a sackable offence.
I've lost a very dear friend to someone who thought that it was ok to drink when drunk, so sorry, to me it is unforgivable and I don't want to see Rooney in a blue shirt again.
Brent Stephens
91 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:06:20
Geoff, would it not depend on the nature of the job, and other factors, whether dismissal would be fair?
Brian Williams
92 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:09:21
John, if you'd been to the funeral of an eleven year old who was knocked down by an over the limit driver you wouldn't have to ask that.
I could go on but really don't feel I need to.
Joe McMahon
93 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:12:15
Brian (92) exactly, no more is needed to be said.
Rooney is an idiot and I wish we hadn't re signed him.
Dermot O'Brien
94 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:12:44
Stupid little prick. What the hell was he thinking of? Driving a poxy VW Beetle, with his money!
Will Mabon
95 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:20:33
Just to add to the lunacy, we play away at Old Trafford the day before Rooney's scheduled court appearance. Can you imagine the barracking.

I keep trying to not suspect a "Matrix" but it's getting harder...

Damian Wilde
96 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:23:29

"Very dangerous to advocate and celebrate the snitch mindset, particularly in this day and age, in my humble opinion."

Yeah, just let people possibly get injured or die instead.

Andy Crooks
97 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:25:48
Geoff, I totally understand your point of view. I have to come clean here to justify my point. I was done for it in 1982. No excuses, I did it. My employer, a major insurance company, did not sack me. The chief executive tore strips off me but gave me a chance. If I had a friend or relative hurt I would be unforgiving so, Geoff I accept your point.
Paul McIntyre
98 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:28:24
I bet the drink driving was the least of his worries when he got home this afternoon!

ps: How many TWebbers would grass him up if they saw a pissed Rooney getting in a car???

(Answer... in a heartbeat)

Dean Johnson
99 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:30:21
Footballers aren't role models, they're mostly just twTs who enjoy a privileged life. They're still people and they make bad judgements, just like we all do every day.

If it makes you feel better getting outraged about it then enjoy it and have fun, just laugh, he's an idiot

Tony Hill
100 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:34:52
Will (95), very sound. It is becoming obvious, boring even.
Mark Batty
101 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:39:53
@ Ian (15)

Funny you should mention Gibson mother in law lives in Hale Barnes. I've seen Gibo buying 4 cans from the local co-op... regret not thinking quicker to get my phone out and be a pap for a moment with Gibo looking shady carrying 4 cans couldn't even be arsed to pay 5p for a carrier lol!!

Tim Greeley
102 Posted 01/09/2017 at 20:51:07
Doesn't this seem like exactly the type of thing the British tabloid press fucking live for!? I have a feeling that this is gonna become a huge story – what with the missus at home preggo and Wayne out gallivanting, cavorting and canoodling with a different woman.

And also driving drunk on Transfer Deadline Day night after Everton failed to secure a true striker... it's all there. It's all depressing too.

Andy Dempsey
103 Posted 01/09/2017 at 21:00:42
#5 Paul

Funniest thing I've read all day.

The 'Everton that' posts, really are so smug it's like finger nails down the blackboard time.

John G Davies
104 Posted 01/09/2017 at 21:03:47
Brian, I'm not condoning drink driving, far from it.

Just the reaction from some before we know how far over he is. I know over the limit is over the limit. If he has had a bucketful he is stupid.

Will Mabon
105 Posted 01/09/2017 at 21:10:40
Yeah, just let people possibly get injured or die instead.

About what I expected.

Dermot Byrne
106 Posted 01/09/2017 at 21:21:00
Despite law and campaigns, the issue is not as black and white as we aswe may think or even hope. Different countries have different laws and interpretation of fitness to drive. That therefore makes it to some extent subjective.

So lets not try and make the reality simpler than it really is.

But in the end he will pay his price as law dictates, prob never do it again and thankfully nobody was hurt in anyone's family.

Thank god eh?

Eric Paul
107 Posted 01/09/2017 at 21:52:27
Brian @27,

Correctamundo, some things are indefensible this is one of them.

I wonder what the parents of the two young boys killed on their way to a Grand Prix by a drunken footballer would think.

And the reason he was driving a Beetle is he was driving a drunk woman home in her car at 2 am while his pregnant wife was where?

Jerome Shields
108 Posted 01/09/2017 at 21:57:23
It's a well known fact that prick power can be bigger than brain power. The combination of drink, an unattached women, who has drink taken, and opportunity results in all sense going out the window, especially if you are an asshole anyway.

Hopefully Wayne can give a good explanation and get the charges dropped. Hopefully the office worker is okay and her boyfriend / partner is okay and an Everton Supporter. Hopefully she doesn't need money.

If not, he is in a great deal of trouble now with the police, the club, the fans, and above all, his pregnant wife. Her hormones already very active are going to take off. If he has a head left, football won't be a priority.

Hopefully he isn't an absolute plonker.

Gordon Crawford
109 Posted 01/09/2017 at 22:09:15
He is a an ambassador of Everton football club and a role model to kids and adults a like. He should no better. The club need to make him aware that this isn't acceptable. At the same time he has made a mistake, and we are all capable of making mistakes. So I hope the club isn't too hard on him. But he needs to grow up.
Andrew James
110 Posted 01/09/2017 at 22:38:06
Our home grown lads really covered themselves in glory this week didn't they?

Whatever next? Leighton Baines arrested for music downloading piracy? Tom Davies filmed in Sefton Park dogging?

In all seriousness, why does Wayne seem determined to tarnish his reputation and legacy? He should have learned after granny-gate all those years ago.

Gazza, Shandy, Rooney, Drenthe, Gibson...all damaging our reputation.

Eddie Dunn
111 Posted 01/09/2017 at 22:38:25
All the people so quick to take the moral high ground just take a moment and wait for the facts. It's bad enough us all speculating on the transfer window and hanging all and sundry out to dry without the moral majority sentencing Rooney on the back of a Sun article, before the exact details are known.

The complications of the man's evening may have( in his mind) necessitated his decision to take the wheel of the said car. Whether he was pissed as a fart , or slightly over the current regulations is relevant.

He can be accused of stupidity or reckless behaviour, but it is still possible that he misjudged his alcohol consumption and was over our UK limit.< Surely we should all take into account the difference of taking the wheel of a car in a busy area at noon, and having two pints in a semi rural area and driving at 2am, with very little traffic or pedestrians about.

Just because the man is rich doesn't mean he will always make the correct call. I will not condemn him until I hear the actual facts of the matter.

Mike Gaynes
112 Posted 01/09/2017 at 23:05:19
Andy #97, well in, mate. Not an easy thing to stand up in the room and admit. Respects, sir.
Brian Williams
113 Posted 01/09/2017 at 23:10:32
Eddie. Sorry but that's total bollocks.

There's a limit. There's a limit for a reason. Just about every adult in this country knows the limit. It's the same whatever time of day and no matter what the surroundings.

Over the limit is over the limit. People who are killed by over-the-limit drivers aren't a little bit dead, or less dead because the driver was "just" over. People who are over the limit, even "just" over the limit, then knowingly drive, without it being a matter of life or death, have no defence.

Ray Roche
114 Posted 01/09/2017 at 23:23:59
Brian, I agree entirely with your argument but, if I may play the Devils Advocate, and I write as someone who drinks maybe 5 pints a year...

When I was 18-20 I could knock back 6-7 pints no problem.. but the alcoholic content was, as I understand it, lower than today's beer or lager. I recall Lager being available in few pubs in the mid sixties before it became as popular as it is now. Like wine, 9%-10% was quite common but these days it can be 14.5%.

So,in effect, it is much easier to slip over the limit than in the past, especially if the alcoholic content is much more than you realise. I only drink wine now and never touch alcohol if I am driving. Too risky.

Jack Convery
115 Posted 01/09/2017 at 23:26:24
Wayne's brain works best on a football pitch – off it is another matter. I note the 'lady' in question was very quick to speak to the Scum. I do hope he's not been set up.

Anyway when Coleen gets home, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes, never mind when he meets up with Koeman. He could end up at Sunderland at this rate.

Oliver Molloy
116 Posted 01/09/2017 at 23:43:51
Fucking idiot , no excuses , there shouldn't be a limit with drink driving full stop.
The law needs to be changed - no alcohol if you are driving end of story.
Rooney has let himself , his family , the club and the fans down - what was he thinking , well we know the answer already.
Fifty odd days he's back!
And how the fuck he's going to explain this to his Missus is anyone's guess.
Paul Birmingham
117 Posted 01/09/2017 at 23:49:17
Not the first nor the last.

This could add Further strength into this seasons challenge.

Liam Reilly
118 Posted 01/09/2017 at 23:55:21
Brian # 113
I'm not condoning what Rooney did but " There's a limit for a reason. Just about every adult in this country knows the limit. "

I lived the UK for many years; I've lived in The Netherlands and Belgium and now I'm back home in Ireland and I can honestly say I cannot tell you the actual limit in any country; because it's different for everyone; weight, height, what you've eaten.

Rooney apparently was drinking since early afternoon so there's no excuse, but the limit eludes me, so it's best not to have any.

Pete Daniels
119 Posted 02/09/2017 at 00:17:13
Lads.... turns out Rooney was drowning his sorrows because the board couldn't be bothered to pull their finger out their arse and get him a strike partner.
Roger Helm
120 Posted 02/09/2017 at 00:18:17
Surely anyone who saw a drunk leave a pub and go to drive their car would do something to stop them, even if meant calling the police? Or is "snitching" worse than allowing a drunk driver on the roads?
Jimmy Sørheim
121 Posted 01/09/2017 at 00:28:20
Wow, I thought there was something wrong with his fitness, Koeman needs to nip this in the bud, 4 weeks pay, 1 week total ban.

We all smelled there was something wrong with his fitness, he looks saggy on the field, his pace has gone away along with the alcohol habit.

At least Duncan gave his all for the club, on the field where it matters, this situation will leave a foul stench on Rooney, he needs to be monitored every step from now on, one more episode and I want him out of the club.

It is that simple, this is professional sports, not the primadonna Rooney show, I will personally throw him out of the club if he starts making waves after being diciplined by Koeman.

Just when I thought I had seen the worst after TDD, this "little nugget" is released by the media.

I have seen the shape of his hips/stomach and there is no way this guy is not an alcoholic, I bet this has been going on for some time.

We always pick up the low hanging fruit from Man Utd that they want rid of. Either we were fooled by United, or Koeman knew all about this when he came here.

This stinks to high heaven, United have sat on this info along with Everton, what is next???
Koeman will resign and complain to the media he was not given what was promised to him.

Kenwright, you utter complete idiot, get out of this club!!!

Anto Byrne
124 Posted 02/09/2017 at 01:02:37
It makes international news. Not what I want to see on the TV or radio, ffs.
Jay Griffiths
125 Posted 02/09/2017 at 01:09:56
Colleen - "Wayne, why the fuck didn't you just order her a taxi if you were just being chivalrous?"
Wayne - "Erm, erm sorry love I just didn't think about a taxi, erm , and honest to God I wasn't gonna touch her in, erm, you know, erm that way."
Colleen - "Well tell me this pumpkin head. How the fuck would you have got home after safely getting her and her car home?"
Wayne -" Erm, erm, erm."
Colleen - "Dont you fucking dare say taxi!"
Jack Convery
126 Posted 02/09/2017 at 01:28:09
Sorry seems to be the hardest word - sing it Elton.
Dermot Byrne
128 Posted 02/09/2017 at 07:31:19
Dean 99: agree about the tired old "role model" idea. They are on the whole some the worst role models I can think of. Regularly cheating, greedy, self absorbed knob heads! Engineer, doctor? Maybe.

As for the Rooney thing. Prob exhausted it. Some for their own reasons want to state the law and condemn. Others see it as not quite as easy as there are degrees. Others just take the piss in great TW tradition. In the end we will remain in our views based on our experiences I guess.

Nigel Munford
129 Posted 02/09/2017 at 08:22:35
Agree with Oliver, zero tolerance, there shouldn't be a limit. Any alcohol mixed with driving and your banned.

Given what's all over the papers this morning it sounds like a media set up, as it's not taken very long for the 'young lady' in question to sell her story, why oh why are these footballers such easy targets.

He's undone all the positive news he's generated since arriving back in one evening.

Phil Sammon
130 Posted 02/09/2017 at 08:34:56
Jimmy 121

'I have seen the shape of his hips/stomach and there is no way this guy is not an alcoholic'

What medical school did you attend, Jimmy?

John Smith
131 Posted 02/09/2017 at 08:35:23
Not a bad deal to me. It's not like he did a Gibbo and got drunk and ran over a cyclist.
Anthony Hughes
132 Posted 02/09/2017 at 09:00:55
Reported that he was on a 10 hour session, how the fuck can you not know you'd be over the limit. And he was driving that tart home for one reason.
Brian Williams
133 Posted 02/09/2017 at 09:14:07
Take your point Liam and agree there should be a "zero" limit, though that can sometimes present it's own problems, though they're not insurmountable.
Having said that I worked in a job where at the beginning of my tour I was tested and the reading for alcohol had to be zero. Prescription medication had to be declared etc etc but bottom line was if there was even a trace of alcohol without a very clear and documented reason, you were out. I didn't have a problem with that whatsoever as anyone with alcohol in their system put everyone at risk.
Thing that saddens me about all this, as well as all the possible implications of what could have happened, is the effect it could have on the club/team. This, together with the Barkley debacle, ISN'T what was needed at this early stage of the season.
Mike Allen
134 Posted 02/09/2017 at 09:17:30
Jimmy (#121),

What an absolute self-opinionated idiotic rant. The lad has been caught drink driving; the fine or the ban won't be severe enough for him or any drunk driver but why the fuck bring Kenwright or Koeman into it?

"Kenwright get out of this club" – for fuck's sake grow up, the only idiot is Rooney. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" – must be fucking great being you.

Paul Tran
135 Posted 02/09/2017 at 09:20:28
Andy #97. Respect.
Dave Evans
136 Posted 02/09/2017 at 09:42:28
Wayne has made a mistake. I am sure he will pay for that mistake in numerous ways, to the court case and beyond.

The snarling, self-satisfied vitriol of many of the posters above is just the start. Posters no doubt who have never made a mistake in their lives.

Kevin Tully
137 Posted 02/09/2017 at 10:03:07
Ooohhhh the poor fecker. His missus is on her way home with some pressing questions. How do you get away with this one, Wayne? I bet he'd rather do 12 months than face the wrath of Colleen.

10 hour sesh though, can't imagine he thought of anything as he came out of that bar with a willing girl in tow. Funny how some think footballers are somehow immune from being stupid. I imagine when he retires, he'll blow up to about 20 stone and be on the sauce every day. I wonder if his missus will still be by his side after the lights have faded?

Tony Marsh
138 Posted 02/09/2017 at 10:17:17
Fucking brilliant, Wayne; well done!!

Why hasn't Rooney got a personal chauffer on 24 hour stand by if he wants to be a drinker? It would cost him £10 an hour ffs... It wasn't that long ago Wazza was getting put to kip in his kitchen pretend boxing whilst drunk with Phil Beardsley. Did the blow wobble Wayne's Brain?

Man Utd do us over once again. They get the best young striker in Europe for buttons and we get a washed up plonky Wayne Rooney obviously taking the piss out of all concerned at EFC, fans included. It just gets better and better but what should we expect at the Premier League's most shambolic club.

The sooner Kenwright is gone, the better. Take Dutch Moyes with him and bring in people who want to win – not just survive and tread water. Everton FC – the club that just keeps on giving.

Wayne Rooney hang your head in shame lad.Just not good enough in this era of football... The days of George Best, Stan Bowles and Gazza are long gone. Grow the fuck up.

Steve Carter
139 Posted 02/09/2017 at 10:25:45
#123. Anthony. Der. There is no good in this story, guys.
Jamie Barlow
140 Posted 02/09/2017 at 10:25:50
Might have just been over the limit? Some belters on this thread with Eddie taking top spot. The bloke is a fuckin idiot.
Dave Bickley
141 Posted 02/09/2017 at 10:29:24
After a relatively bright start back at Everton,Wayne you have let the Goodison masses down,by showing contempt for your own fitness with your actions.I hope the club fine you the maximum that they can and possibly donate to the Bradley Lowery charity.Mourinho and UTD saw this coming for a couple of years and what with that badge kissing t... starting off like a house on fire must be laughing at us again.
Martin Nicholls
142 Posted 02/09/2017 at 10:33:16
Brian Harrison#6. Not an exclusively "British disease" - Firmino was done for the same offence early this year but for obvious reasons, that didn't attract the same media attention. That said, I agree with those who feel Rooney shouldn't be drinking at all.
Brent Stephens
143 Posted 02/09/2017 at 10:37:46
Jay #125 - that's a belter!
Mark Daley
145 Posted 02/09/2017 at 10:45:01
There's no story for her to sell! Wayne spent the night with the scuffers! Colleen might give him the boot... But she didnt after the Auld Slapper. He'll scorr a hat trick and it will all be forgotten. A few hypocrites here on TW I fear...
David Baxter
146 Posted 02/09/2017 at 11:05:22
Another bigger problem for Rooney is the girl he was with.The gutter press will be offering large amounts of wedge to get her to reveal all the "gory details of the evening".

This could drag on for weeks...

Daniel A Johnson
147 Posted 02/09/2017 at 11:12:53
If Wayne fancies the odd cold one in front of the TV now and again then fair play.

What I think is out of order is to go on an all day bender in public and then to be so pissed he drives off in some daft wannabe wag story tellers car, who snares him for being a drunken fucking idiot.

He was just starting to win me round as well.

What a fucking idiot.

Unfortunately he's our well paid idiot.

Denis Richardson
148 Posted 02/09/2017 at 11:39:28
Daniel 147,

You also miss out the fact he was about to cheat on his wife, and to top it off she's pregnant!

What a true gent!

Tony Everan
149 Posted 02/09/2017 at 11:59:00
Wayne should have more common sense. Should have more respect for the drink drive law , and why it's there. Should have more respect for his family.Should have more respect for his fitness and the effect that heavy drinking will have on his ability to stay fit for a long and arduous season. Should have more respect for Everton fans who are paying him a fair whack , and Striker-wise are depending upon him this season.
Saying that we all fuck up and make a twat of ourselves at some point.
So , just get your fucking act together Wayne , and all will be forgiven.
John G Davies
150 Posted 02/09/2017 at 12:00:32
Full facts out now.
Fool deserves what he ends up with.
Kevin Turner
151 Posted 02/09/2017 at 12:00:48
The sceptics amongst us who gave him the benefit of the doubt when he came back because he might be good for the profile of the club, help the promising youngsters we have coming through have, had our hopes blown away within the blink of an eyelid really haven't we.

A 4pm farewell party for gobshite Wes Brown turns into a major bender. Can't wait for the social media to start with all the photos of him and the other blurts making a show of themselves.

The club should fine him and make an example of him either by giving him a ban or even getting shut asap. We can do without this.

John Wilson
152 Posted 02/09/2017 at 12:07:11
TW - the court now, are they; as well as the prejudiced?

Charge = not convicted. I am sure Rooney will come here and read this stuff..not!

Rooney does some stupid things which is why the press is on his back and has been throughout his professional football career. What does it mean though for Everton as it could have tarnished the brand that is Wayne Rooney PLC (so to speak). Rooney is a role model for the young especially. I would have thought at his age he would have wisened up by now. Let's face it lots of people his age and younger, and older 'still' drink n drive; it is just that Roonie is in the public eye.. so his name, 'the brand' gets dragged through the mud, as it were.

Lennart Hylën
153 Posted 02/09/2017 at 12:24:28
He has really made a fool of himself now. He is an idol for many kids. What a role model! The worst thing though is that it will tarnish the name of Everton FC and that is something I have problems in accepting.
Benny Snow
154 Posted 02/09/2017 at 12:34:09
At least the latex granny wasn't in the back seat...

It's a bit obvious what's happened here. Rooney's Mrs is overseas on holiday; Rooney wants to bang this random bird he's pulled in the pub... Rather than get a taxi and leave the driver selling the story to the papers, Rooney chooses to drive the random (tidy looking) bird back to her place in her VW. Little did Rooney count on the cops pulling him over...

Not only will he be in the shit at Everton, his pregnant Mrs will kick his ass for nearly cheating.

Colin Glassar
155 Posted 02/09/2017 at 12:46:11
I think Colleen is going to wring his neck. If I was him I wouldn't worry about what Koeman says, it's his missus who sounds more terrifying.
Dave Older
156 Posted 02/09/2017 at 13:25:20
Is he totally crackers or what?? He get's everything he deserves from his boss Ronnie... and his boss at home!!!!

Wayne, you should know better. He has only been out of the England squad 5 minutes and he is already acting like a plonker.

By the way, a man on his wages can surely do better than be driving a VW Beetle??? Maybe he was trying to recreate Herbie Rides Again?? What an idiot.

James Marshall
157 Posted 02/09/2017 at 13:34:41
The Beetle was owned by a woman he was out with. He made a mistake, it happens, he's only human and won't be the last person to make this mistake.

Daily Tory lit up over this one and so are some people on here. Support the kid, don't knock him for a silly mistake.

Eric Paul
158 Posted 02/09/2017 at 13:34:49
It looks like he has been suckered by a fame hungry tart and he fell for it hook line and sinker.

And she runs to the gutter press who are only too happy to launch her "celeb" career. What a tool.

Brian Williams
159 Posted 02/09/2017 at 13:39:24
Ray Roche
160 Posted 02/09/2017 at 13:43:03
James, so it's no bad thing for a married man with 3 children and another on the way to be out with some tramp? It's okay for a professional footballer to go on a ten hour bender? Morals? What are they?

He's 31 for fucks sake, not an 18-year-old lad. He's Captained his country and his club. He's an icon for young footballers all over the world, just recall the greeting EFC got in Tanzania and all because of Rooney. And he behaves like this?

Okay, if the "mistake" he made resulted in him ploughing into a bus queue or taxi rank and killing people, would it still be... "Well,you know, one of the lads, we all do it"?


Peter Anthony
161 Posted 02/09/2017 at 13:49:42
Wayne is guilty of being human. I am not religious but I think a religious quote is fitting here: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Wayne is of this Parish, the prodigal son has returned, get behind a fellow blue FFS.

Up the toffees.

James Hughes
162 Posted 02/09/2017 at 13:59:08
Lot of people on here safe if there is a flood 'cos you're all on the high ground.

Just a quick glance and I see the girl called a tramp, that is charming, what is the proof. Also he was about to cheat on Colleen again pure speculative bullshit.

Some of you should be gossiping over a fence like the old women you are.

Eddie Dunn
163 Posted 02/09/2017 at 14:02:16
Wayne Rooney is a footballer. He is not a role model. How can he be such a thing to ordinary people? He is an athlete and as such, we can question his sense if he was drinking to excess.

Of course, to get behind the wheel of a car after a drinking session is dangerous. My only argument is about the facts.

When he is in court on September the 18th, we will find out how much alcohol was in his system.

His personal life is his own business- I don't want to know who or what our players are doing in their penthouses or greenhouses. I only care about his ability to play football.

For those in the ToffeeWeb moral maze – we are sponsored by a gambling company, in a League stuffed full of oligarchs and sheikhs with a gravy train that runs right out of Murdoch's station. Players, agents, tapping-up and unsightly wealth. Wayne Rooney is not the Antichrist – let's get on with football.

Ray Roche
164 Posted 02/09/2017 at 14:03:26
No Peter, Wayne is guilty of getting behind the wheel of a car after being on the piss for 10 hours.

I don't remember people cutting Gibson slack when he did it. There are NO excuses. Pass me the stone, I'll throw it.

James Marshall
165 Posted 02/09/2017 at 14:05:26
Ray, to my mind you're overreacting to a newspaper story. None of that happened, he didn't kill anyone, how do you know it wasn't all entirely innocent? Some tramp? Running people over? He got drunk, kissed a girl, drove her car home, got pulled and he'll pay the price then hopefully never do it again.

His wife will be pissed off, but she's also used to the rags making more out of a story than likely ever happened.

Men make this sort of mistake every night of the week, but it doesn't make the papers, therefore it's a silly mistake. It's not that big a deal.

Alan McGuffog
166 Posted 02/09/2017 at 14:11:14
As many have said..."it's the hope that kills you".

Earlier this year, things looked so good didn't they? Promises of the new ground, a good start to the transfer window, European football etc etc. All seems to be starting to unravel somewhat.

On top of an uninspiring last week in the transfer window, we have this. The media dislikes Everton and only tolerated Rooney because he was at Old Trafford. They will love this!

I' m just waiting for Boys Pen Bill to come out and say that we really would have loved the Bramley-Moore site but hey y'know a new build in Croxteth will be just as good.

Michael Lynch
167 Posted 02/09/2017 at 14:16:44
There are some absolute whoppers on here excusing drink-driving. I thought that kind of attitude went out in the 1970s. "Men make this sort of mistake every night of the week" "Wayne is just guilty of being human".

Driving a car over the limit is a crime for a reason, and it's a crime that claims hundreds of lives every year in the UK. Luckily, most of us have wised up to that, so the number of deaths has dropped from 1,600 to just over 200 in the last 35 years.

Until bellends like Rooney wise up, that number won't drop any further. I don't give a shit whether it's in the papers or not, anyone who drinks and drives deserves our disdain not our sympathy.

James Marshall
168 Posted 02/09/2017 at 14:21:56
I'm not excusing it, I'm just saying that it does happen every day, and as far as some of the comments on here, goes it's not the crime of the century as far as I'm concerned – not when nothing actually happened.

Yes, if he'd run someone over, or killed a person then fine, it's a terrible crime, but since there was actually no incident at all, as far as I'm concerned it's a stupid thing to do, and yes, a crime which he'll be punished for.

The crime is being over the limit, not killing anyone, and that's the point I'm making about it happening all the time. Whopper my arse.

Joe Foster
169 Posted 02/09/2017 at 14:22:32
He should have just called Niasse up for a lift. It's not like he is doing anything anyway.
Steve Ferns
170 Posted 02/09/2017 at 14:28:22
Jimmy #121, what a load of bollocks.

"at least Duncan gave his all for the club" - wow
Ferguson was a million times worse. He couldn't lay off the booze when injured and so delayed his recovery considerably. What about all the stories of him being too hungover to play? What about all the times he was knackered after 30 minutes? He strolled around the pitch because he had no stamina for his entire career. The guy never gave his all, he never realised 25% of his potential, all because he couldn't behave. So don't give me that shit. Ferguson just lived in less scrutinised times, without camera phones, when everything could be dismissed as rumour.

Michael Lynch
171 Posted 02/09/2017 at 14:59:57
No, I have to disagree with you James, drink driving is not just a "stupid" thing to do. A stupid thing to do is not paying your road tax on time or forgetting your wife's birthday.

Until we all get past the idea that, as long as you don't kill a kid, drink driving is just a silly mistake, then hundreds will carry on dying on the roads every year. If you are pissed and you get behind the wheel of a car, you've gone beyond stupid. You've gone into reckless and dangerous.

James Marshall
172 Posted 02/09/2017 at 15:21:24
So should Rooney be sacked then? What level of punishment do you suggest, Michael?

Something suitable to fit the crime as you see it...

Brian Williams
173 Posted 02/09/2017 at 15:25:26
James (#168). Is it something you do?

Btw I don't think he should be sacked. James makes one decent point (IMO) in that he'll be dealt with by the courts.

What should happen IMO is that part of the punishment should involve meeting up with people who've lost loved ones to drivers over the limit and listen to their story.

Sometimes it's difficult to see the big picture when what you "get away with" appears to have no consequences.

I don't think I'm taking the moral high ground or being holier than thou but people who drive over the limit piss me right off because they're basically not giving a fuck for anyone and to me the punishment should be the same as the punishment should be for using a pbone while driving: first offence 12 month ban and a big fine. Second offence banned for life.

Harsh? Not in my book because someone who does it twice is either too fucking stupid to learn or too fucking selfish to care.

James Marshall
174 Posted 02/09/2017 at 15:30:11
I'm teetotal Brian, so no
Kim Vivian
175 Posted 02/09/2017 at 15:37:23
FACT - There is no excuse.

It would be interesting to know of anyone else who has been banned for DD.

I was - in 1990 - very unfortunate, no driving offence leading to it - just a check on all drivers on a particular road in the festive season. I was very marginal. When the reading is low on the breathometer it will go to blood, so I had to wait for a doc to arrive. Later, the PC who did me was actually very sympathetic and said that if the guy had been 20 minutes longer getting there my reading would have been within limits. Fact is, it wasn't - there is no grey area and I cycled for a year. (Got bloody fit actually and took up bike racing after that.)

Fact also is there is a prevalent ignorance about the dangers of driving generally. Consistent speeding leading to a ban is as bad as having 'one pint too many'. Regarding the drink drive thing, it is ironic that if you were to ask most people why they chose not to drive after a drink they would answer the risk of getting caught, not the risk of an accident or of injuring or worse, killing someone. Try it with a few people and see if I am right.

Fact also is that you do not have to be over the drink drive limit to have impaired judgement. Just the more you drink, the more impaired you become. At the end of the day, without wishing to get biblical, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. If any of you have had a drink and then driven, you cannot know if you were 'under the limit' even if you thought you were but believe me your reactions would not be as good as if you had been on Becks Blue or some such. So it comes back actually to the risk of getting caught.

I am the last person to be able to preach and there is NO mitigation for Wayne Rooney whatsoever (or anyone else for that matter), particularly given his resources, but is the conscious ignorance of the dangers which leads to DD. It sounds possibly as if the brain in his dick was in control here, and if he was just after a quick shag with some bird that is just as irresponsible, although not illegal of course. Could prove considerably more painful though, once Coleen found out. Gelding sans anesthesia not to be recommended.

Someone above said that there should be a zero tolerance policy and I would agree with that. It would remove the doubt, but folk would still take the risk sadly.

Education is the answer but when it comes to driving, again sadly people are slow to learn whether it is drinking, speeding, talking on the phone (as big if not a bigger risk than drinking almost) or anything else. Status, profession, rank or riches seems to make no difference.

At the end of the day, guys, remember - drivers cause accidents, not traffic, and many things can make us worse drivers, not just the drinking.

Paul Thompson
176 Posted 02/09/2017 at 15:40:17
Morale will be as important as morals in the outcome of this sad tale of stupid behaviour. The fall-out is likely to have a significantly adverse effect on Rooney's attitude to and whilst playing, and diminish the positive vibe there has been at the club since his return.

The club need to discipline (not sack) him and Wayne needs to show contrition and fucking mean it. I hope Colleen kicks him from one end of the mansion to the other.

David Barks
177 Posted 02/09/2017 at 15:40:44
A motor vehicle is a death machine traveling at speed, thousands of pounds of metal moving at high rates of speed that can do incredible damage. To do so at 2 am after drinking is putting anybody on the road at incredible risk. It is one of he most selfish and wreckless acts a person can commit.

Brian Williams
178 Posted 02/09/2017 at 15:42:11
James (#174).

That's a good way to be I have to say, and very unusual for an Evertonian because if there's anything that would drive you to drink (no pun intended).

You'll no doubt be more aware than any of us what it's like to be stone-cold sober when others around you are at various levels of drunkeness!! It's an education and a pain in the arse.

Dave Evans
179 Posted 02/09/2017 at 15:51:39
Michael Lynch. Drink driving costs lives and is reckless. As is smoking in the house with children, using a phone while driving, feeding your kids crappy food etc - the list goes on.

I do not think people are trying to underplay the potential serious consequences of drink driving. But when they hear the mob carring the pitchforks and nooses they are uncomfortable. From experience of human nature, behind every pitchfork there is a hypocrite.

Dermot Byrne
180 Posted 02/09/2017 at 15:59:45
"FACT - There is no excuse."

Kim, with the greatest of respect.

No defence in law sure. Excuse?Oh there could be loads. Taking child to hospital? Saving dying person? Etc etc

Life never simple eh sadly

Mike Gaynes
181 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:01:35
Eric #158, say wha??? Oh, right, it must be the girl's fault. Bollocks.

James #162, he's driving a drunk woman home in her car at 2AM with his wife and kids out of the country, and you call it "speculative bullshit." Righto.

Some folks here pathetically eager to invent excuses for him.

Brian Williams
182 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:03:42
I don't know if anyone's read the story or not but it did say that he wasn't actually pulled over by the police but stopped when he spotted the police car behind him.
"Allegedly" the police were surprised that he stopped and he got out of the car in the first place!

Dermot Byrne
183 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:05:42
Dave Evans : "From experience of human nature, behind every pitchfork there is a hypocrite."

Brilliantly put.

Just waiting for someone to deny ever being hypocritical or perhaps there are degrees?

Not religious but the 'let those without sin throw the first ." well it is first post now. Makes some sense.

But I hear the pitchfork yell, that means we canna criticise anyone?
Well no. Just means a bit of thought may be useful.

Brian Williams
184 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:09:22
What constitutes a sin then, bearing in mind you're not religious Dermot?
Kevin Tully
185 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:11:34
Always like these type of threads, they generally throw up certain 'groups' of tweb posters;

1. The parish priest
2. The juror
3. The legal expert (bar-room lawyer)
4. The marriage guidance councillor
5. The social worker
6. The sports psychologist
7. Human rights expert (bar-room lawyer)
8. The 'death penalty' types.
9. Mary Whitehouse types
10. Quietly tutting over their glasses types.

If I've ever get into (any more) trouble , I hope it doesn't make these pages!

James Marshall
186 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:12:09
Mike - I didn't mean it was speculation, apologies if I haven't worded things entirely correctly. What I mean is, as mentioned above, that people are leaping on him as though he's killed someone or maimed a pedestrian, when all he's actually done is drive drunk - agreed it's illegal, and he SHOULD be punished. What I find a little OTT is the way people are saying he should be sacked etc.

Brian - I used to run a pub, so I'm acutely aware of drinkers, their attitudes and habits and as you point out, as a non-drinker you get a somewhat different perspective of how people behave when they drink. I also used to drink quite heavily as a younger person (I'm mid 40's now) so I know how it affects me as well.

I have driven drunk (20 years ago) and I'm not proud of it - I also didn't have a crash, or get pulled for it, although I was once pulled over drunk but not breathalysed, and amazingly given a police escort home with a flat tyre!

All I'm really saying is that I think Rooney has done something stupid, made a mistake, and given that he hasn't injured anyone, the penalty should be in line with the crime - I don't know the penalties but I imagine a year driving ban would suffice, and seriously doubt he'd do anything as crazy again.

David Barks
187 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:13:05
Dave Lynch,

I'm sorry but no, people upset at this act are not some mob. Through my job I have the privilege of getting to drive press cars. As part of this agreement I can not have any alcohol before driving one of these cars. But more importantly I also have the privilege of attending driving instruction centers and experience centers.

At these instruction centers you drive in all simulated environments. You drive on painted asphalt with water to see the extreme of aquaplaning and simply trying to adjust to unexpected losses of traction. There are parts that grip and suddenly no grip at all. You see how quickly and decisively you must react to avoid a spin or being thrown completely off track, where any number of real life hazards could be (people, light posts, guard rails or trees).

You also have bump pads that will suddenly pop up and send you into a spin that requires the driver to correct the spin immediately, otherwise it's lost. Any slowed reactions here and it is too late, you're out of control with a giant piece of metal weighing thousands of pounds going in whichever direction it wants at whatever speed you were at.

These exercises are difficult enough when fully sober and expecting them. Put any substance that slows reaction and impairs decision making into the equation and the results are hilarious if they weren't so deadly in real life. Whether in a loaded Porsche 911 or a Honda, it's up to the driver to know how to control their machine and know what to do when the unexpected happens.

To be operating a machine like this at 2am after drinking is shameful and completely inexcusable. It's not a small thing just because nobody was hurt this time. It's a selfish act that can easily have very deadly consequences to those outside the car while you sit comfortably inside with all air bags and seat belts designed to keep you safe.

Brian Williams
188 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:14:06
John G Davies
189 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:17:12
Brian 184.

Nit putting money on the collection plate is right up there.

Brian Williams
190 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:19:00
Well put James and respect to you for telling.
From my own view I'm angry at his stupidity, I'm angry at his selfishness, and I suppose I'm angry at another of my sporting heroes fucking up royally.
Keen cyclist and guess who I used to look up to!!!!?
Brian Williams
191 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:19:55
Taking money out is worse mate!
James Marshall
192 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:25:21
Brian - I also cycled a lot, around 150 miles a week at one time, though I had 2 big accidents, neither my fault, culminating in a broken back and a head injury, waking up 2 days later on Charing Cross neurology ward - I'm very aware of how dangerous cars are, and also how hard the road is!

It is of course someone in Rooney's position has done this - he's not the first or last as we all know, but he is a human being just like the rest of us, and God knows how much our judgement is impaired when we've had a skinful - not an excuse, but a fact. I've done some stupid fucking things pissed, some of which got me arrested when I was younger, though not driving related - would I do those things sober? Hell no, not even back in the day when I was a right pain in the arse!

James Marshall
193 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:26:02
EDIT: It is of course A SHAME someone in Rooney's position has done this...
Dermot Byrne
194 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:27:34
Oh for fucks sake Brian, you are smarter than that. Try replace sin with fault.
John G Davies
195 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:28:01
They have got more of it than us Brian. 😀
Brian Williams
196 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:31:46
Sorry mate.
Jerome Shields
197 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:33:31
Unfortunately, lads, Wayne's passenger is not admitting to be a Everton Supporter. She doesn't live on Merseyside, so we are not safe from the Sun. She also appears to thinking of changing her car, which she likes to a newer hairdresser type car.
Brian Williams
198 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:33:52
Amen to that, and Amen to this thread for me.
All the best to all fellow Blues!
Kim Vivian
199 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:34:36
David 177. What speed was he travelling. What you say is right but as you know if he was stationary he would still get done. If he was stone cold sober but travelling at 50mph in a built up area, which is worse?
Dermot Byrne
200 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:35:35
Kev ( Tully ) .brill last para and with you. Thankfully the key person is the magistrate and the rest of us should probably shut the fuck up. Oh bollocks, I am a hypocrite.

If this goes on we will miss the next game as some will be carrying banners in Cheshire, others will be still trying to dismount from that tall horse and the rest will be in therapy because it is a cruel world.

Phil Walling
201 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:40:34
A bit disconcerting to read he had Pickford with him early evening. I know the young players see him as a role model but getting them rat arsed is not the example expected of him !
Eddie Dunn
202 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:40:51
Kevin- I like that.
Mark Tanton
203 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:44:52
Or, to look at it another way Mr Walling - our brilliant young goalkeeper had sense to go home.

Or he just pulled earlier.

Brent Stephens
204 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:54:20
Brian #191 "Taking money out is worse mate!"

Not if you just want change from the 10p you've just put in.

Peter Anthony
205 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:55:54
Alcohol is a drug that impairs judgement. Timing wise, due to the international break, if Wayne was going to have a wee tipple anytime, then it was a good time to do so.
From personal experience I know it can be easy to get carried away and end up having much more than planned.
I strongly suspect Wayne got carried away enjoying himself, as is totally understandable given the pressures to perform he puts himself under. His wealth is not relevant to this. If Wayne was only motivated by wealth at this time, he would be playing elsewhere. Pressure he chooses to bear for the benefit of both himself and Everton Football Club. He definitely made a mistake, without prior planning I imagine, one he doubtless regrets.
Wayne will be punished by the law and probably by his Mrs and his employer. We are never too old to learn from our mistakes, we are not dogs.
Time to move on as lesson will be learnt and thank heavens no harm done, to anyone other than Wayne himself.

Phil Smith
206 Posted 02/09/2017 at 16:57:45
Brilliant, Brian Hennessy (52). What an iidjit he is. Let himself and the club down a bit there.
Dermot Byrne
207 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:05:10
John G #189: may I strongly object to mockery of "nits". No need for that.
John Boon
208 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:08:20
Fans are obviously ticked off, mainly because they are worried that this latest situation will affect his play. What Rooney did was obviously wrong and he could have taken all of the many sensible options that all the fans have offered. On a more serious note he could have caused a fatal accident. However it did happen and all the "IFS" will not make the problem go away. Wayne Rooney is not your friend or buddy. He is a guy who plays for Everton, the team that you are devoted to. This may have messed things up but it is far worse for him than it is for you. He will have to make peace with a number of people, particularly his wife. He must regret that it all happened, and he will have to put up with endless taunts from other fans. Therefore let him continue to play football for Everton. Stop being too sanctimonious and try to focus on the fact that at his best he can really help the team. Criticism from his own fans is now unnecessary. Your advice is useless and he won't really care if you tell him what he would have done if he was as smart as you are. Forget and forgive.
John G Davies
209 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:10:04
Nits, nats, bat's rats and cats
All welcome as long as the till keeps ringing Dermot
Paul Kossoff
210 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:17:09
My Uncle Tommy was killed by a drunk driver, he was 34, left a wife and three kids. The bastard driver ran him over then reversed back over him to get away. The Government should ban any amount of alcohol if you are driving. Rooney is a selfish arrogant Bastard who couldn't give a fk, he'll drink and drive regardless He's been caught this time, but do you think this is his first time? I doubt it.
Once a blue, not this time. I'll not support him in my team!
Dermot Byrne
212 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:25:52
A fair considered point John G !
John G Davies
213 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:31:07
Thanks Dermot. 👍
Ray Roche
214 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:34:11
James Marshall #165
Sorry I'm late responding, James, I've been kicking a puppy to death. Not that big a deal unless you're the puppy.
You're right James, "none of that happened", and that's where Rooney got lucky. The Police got him before it did. Entirely innocent.? Tell that to Coleen! And then ask for your knackers back.
If some tramp...yes, tramp, the sort who runs to the the newspaper's showing off her tattooed eyebrows and pouting lips and gleaning every ounce of publicity she can from the journos while some gobshite (Rooney) fills his kecks at the thought of his marriage running aground...yeah, nice girl ain't she?

Men DO make this sort of "mistake" every day, but it doesn't excuse it.

Darren Hind
216 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:35:27
It's like the fucking wash house in here.

Roll on next week, lets have some footy

Dermot Byrne
217 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:40:33
Moral Maze Darren!
John G Davies
218 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:41:44
The Baggie?
It most certainly is.

Some corset adjusting and gossip out of the corner of the mouth is happening on several posts lately.
Pack it in please chaps.

Paul Tran
219 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:43:24
We've still got to go through Koemans next presser, where he'll be asked about this and the circus on here will start again. Another chance for people to find another way to boot Koeman.

Thank God for the racing, that's all I say!

Ray Roche
220 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:46:24
Well, this is what you get during an International break
Nicholas Ryan
221 Posted 02/09/2017 at 17:58:23
'Why was he driving a VW Beetle?' . Well, it seems the Beetle belonged to the 29 year-old single woman, who was in the passenger seat, when he was arrested . Ooh, err, Missus . as Frankie Howerd would have said!!
Eric Paul
222 Posted 02/09/2017 at 18:15:51
Mike @181

I didn't say it was the girl's fault, the only person at fault is Rooney.

But it was obviously a honey trap and I wouldn't be surprised if she or one of her mates phoned the police after she convinced him to drive her home. She wasted no time going to the press to sell her story. I am not making excuses for him, read post #107.

Oh and wise up to the world of reality TV which I suspect is her motive.

Dave Abrahams
223 Posted 02/09/2017 at 18:28:47
Darren. (216) ' It's like the fuckin' wash house in here', yes it is and as Rob Wilton ( old Scouse comedian) would say, stroking his chin. ' I haven't half enjoyed it lads '
Dermot Byrne
224 Posted 02/09/2017 at 18:31:06
VWBeetle. Love Bug, know what I mean?
Dermot Byrne
225 Posted 02/09/2017 at 18:32:04
Me too Dave
Ray Roche
226 Posted 02/09/2017 at 18:33:50
Dave, "The day war broke out..."

A way before my time but they used to show his films on a Sunday afternoon, usually when it was slashing down.
Try this below, Dave, for a bit of nostalgia.

Mark Daley
227 Posted 02/09/2017 at 19:46:45
"Married man has too much to drink and fails to get leg over". Not an unusual story of everyday folk... which is what he is, cheer or boo as you please. The only issue is whether Colleen destabilises him - as she has every right to, but which will not do his footie any good. If she puts him on a final warning, that might bring out the best in him. Just cut out the moralising please.
Colin Glassar
228 Posted 02/09/2017 at 19:56:58
What's the worst that can happen to him? A fine, penalty points, loss of license. A club fine, a telling off from Koeman and the worst of all? A kick in the balls from Colleen.

I'm sure Rooney, the club and us will all survive this. I hope his couch is comfy we don't want him playing wing a sore back and a stiff neck.

Colin Glassar
229 Posted 02/09/2017 at 19:57:02
What's the worst that can happen to him? A fine, penalty points, loss of license. A club fine, a telling off from Koeman and the worst of all? A kick in the balls from Colleen.

I'm sure Rooney, the club and us will all survive this. I hope his couch is comfy we don't want him playing wing a sore back and a stiff neck.

John G Davies
231 Posted 02/09/2017 at 20:25:04

He's let himself down here big time.
The fuckin kipper on her.

Ray Roche
233 Posted 02/09/2017 at 21:01:35
John G, yep, she's a babe all right.
Have you seen "Pig In The City"?
Colin Glassar
234 Posted 02/09/2017 at 21:04:01
Just read that John. She sounds like a bit of a slag and she's looking for trouble if she thinks she's going to make money out of this with no consequences. I'd be careful if I was her, a few bob for her story isn't probably worth it.
Tony Abrahams
235 Posted 02/09/2017 at 21:38:15
Never been one to judge, I hope Mark@227, is right, and he just gets put in the bad books for a while off his wife.

I always say there's nothing to grow-up for, except gaining a bit of knowledge, but as me mar always told me, when the beer is in, the wit is out, so he's best just staying off the ale, and hope that the people closest to him, can still look him in the eye.

Honestly think that his head would fall off if his wife wanted to divorce him, and it wouldn't do his kids any good either, so I hope it soon blows over for their sakes.

Colin Glassar
236 Posted 02/09/2017 at 22:11:11
Rooney and Ross are being treated like something out of the XFiles on here. And of course all egged on by the gutter press who are lapping this all up.

What better than two scouse reprobates to have a little Mersonesque dig at us all.

John Pierce
239 Posted 03/09/2017 at 02:54:04
An observation; rightly a thread that condemns a players for stupidity and breaking the law.

A question; I've lived in The States for 4 years now and am totally astounded at the cultural acceptance to this crime. A car culture and poor public transport are often used to ease the guilt. But it's amazing me how most people think it's okay.

Am I just a Brit who feels more acutely about this or can any State side ToffeeWebbers echo or give a rebuttal to this?

Benny Snow
240 Posted 03/09/2017 at 03:36:12
Bet she looked well hot after 10 hours on the piss
Craig Harrison
241 Posted 03/09/2017 at 04:12:04
It's partly the North American culture and partly that the limit is more than double that of the UK. You can legally drive over here with 0.80 mg of alcohol as opposed to 0.035 in the UK.

Most police forces will not prosecute unless you are 0.100 mg or higher. So in theory you could be 3 times more drunk and still be allowed to drive in North America. Maybe Rooney should have moved to MLS...

John Pierce
242 Posted 03/09/2017 at 04:37:45
Craig, there is an economy of scale in The States, off set I would say by both the size and strength of drinks served.

Much bigger and seriously strong beers in comparison to the UK. So the limit is adjusted accordingly I think?

I can't emphasize enough that it's really very normal for people to have 3/4 drinks and jump into their car.

The more rural you get, the correlation becomes stronger too. I've had to decline lifts etc because of it. Socially still not policed by the people, so it's acceptable.

To be honest not even sure over here what the penalty is and how severe?

We moved to a town, in part so we could walk to bars/restaurants, it was that weird having to drive everywhere and not get even a sniff of the bar maids apron!

Will Mabon
243 Posted 03/09/2017 at 06:00:52
John, post 231:

As you say, the kipper on it.

With a loaded gun against my 'nads, I couldn't get the little soldier to stand for that entitled, my-minge-is-worth-a-million, celebrity-chasing dog. Those kind of women are a species all alone, and easy to spot from a hundred yards. As if the drink-driving wasn't daft enough, he latches on to a social-media leech. The trouble has only just begun.

Will Mabon
244 Posted 03/09/2017 at 06:24:31
Craig, I lived in the States a couple of times myself, and I think the limits are functionally the same - 80 milligrams blood level. We used to use that figure in the UK but later changed to expressing it in micrograms breath level, 35.

I might be wrong, and it may have changed, but it's irrelevant to me. Despite being far from an angelical slave to some of our ridiculously oppressive driving laws, I have never driven or ridden at or near the limit, and rarely ever with any at all, anyway. I prefer to stay sharp when I'm breaking the law!

Michael Kenrick
245 Posted 03/09/2017 at 07:23:04
The incredible thing about the US of A is that they kill off around 40,000 a year on their roads. Not all drink driving, of course. Hard to compare with the entirely different traffic characteristics in UK and Europe, as driving is pretty much essential here, with far more limited public transport.

The thing I noticed when I arrived was a huge emphasis on driving a vehicle that would protect you in a crash. "Have you ever thought about driving so that you don't get into a crash?" I would ask people. It's only in the last year or two that our company has ramped up its safety awareness with a campaign focused on the conviction that all accidents are avoidable.

Brendan Fox
246 Posted 03/09/2017 at 07:38:18
What a fucktard Wayne is. He's let himself, his wife, family and the club down big time.

Wayne... sort yourself out, lad, or just do one.

Tony Abrahams
247 Posted 03/09/2017 at 08:15:38
Will @243, the trouble has only just began? I hope you're wrong mate, but after reading this post, I can't help feeling that Rooney has been totally set up.

Flashing blue lights, he pulled over and said, "I'm sorry" ... sounds like this tramp is apologising to Rooney for taking advantage of a proper little dickhead to me!

Dermot Byrne
248 Posted 03/09/2017 at 08:43:35
Love the Mail piece. They can all swim together in their stylish East Cheshire sewer.

Premier League... oh, hasn't it all been so good?

Colin Glassar
249 Posted 03/09/2017 at 08:52:13
My last word on this is, after GrannieGate, and now with this slut, Rooney definitely has no taste when it comes to women (excepting Colleen). This latest one is ugly as sin and is obviously a gold digger.

I agree with Tony, this has all the stink of a set-up. Wayne is still a gobshite though for falling for this.

Will Mabon
250 Posted 03/09/2017 at 08:52:48
Michael, post 245, when I first went there late 80s, I was struck by how poor was the standard of driving compared with the UK at the time. Somehow, all whilst being played out a lot more slowly, frustratingly so at times.

I see the same here now (UK). There is little technical focus on cars and driving now, merely status considerations ("What does your car say about you?"), iPod and internet connectivity, or a chance to strut your eco-awareness. More a fashion accessory.

Driving has been gradually bedevilled over the last couple of decades, as part of global policy. There's no interest, no enthusiasm, and when that goes, bang go the standards. New drivers frightened or in modern-speak, "Not confident" to go on the motorway (statistically five times safer) without further training.

Everyone talks the safety talk, we're all bouncing over speed bumps at 20 mph. Young drivers now have often been nailed for 25 - 30 hours of instruction (much more than before), there's a theory test, they have to be taught how to dip their oil, and so on. And yet, the standard of driving is absolute crap, and dropping by the year.

DD is crazy, but there are many other problems on the roads, too. The answer though as ever, seems not to improve, but to punish transgression. Still, as long as we all creep along at a snail's pace, all will be well.

Not that it will matter in time. The driverless cars will be here, and then we can all be really "Safe" – but kiss goodbye forever to the freedom and pleasure of affordable travel.

Will Mabon
251 Posted 03/09/2017 at 08:58:57
" I can't help,feeling that Rooney, has been totally set up."

Tony – nowadays, that is a real possibility. Sadly, the outcome is the same.

Steve Bird
252 Posted 03/09/2017 at 09:02:26
At least now, over the forthcoming few days, we can again focus on matters on the pitch again. No deadline day disturbia; no drunk driving dreariness; no "See you later, Ross."

We all now have a role to play in getting behind what we still have and driving them on. The goodwill of the fanbase is a huge consideration in gaining the momentum results wise.

This forum provides a huge spectrum of opinions, both positive and negative, but we all want the same thing, don't we?? COYB

Guy Hastings
253 Posted 03/09/2017 at 09:05:30
A wry chuckle from Gareth Southgate, I suspect.
Gerry Killen
254 Posted 03/09/2017 at 09:20:36
We won't know what happened till later in the week. At the moment, it's all doom-and-gloom paper talk, of course its very disappointing to say the least, I honestly thought he had turned over a new leaf and was focused totally on his Everton career.

Sounds like he needs special medical help, we can't just sack him. He is one of us, and although he has done the wrong thing, he needs our support more than ever, or he will go the same way as Gazza. Do we want that?

John G Davies
255 Posted 03/09/2017 at 09:29:35

He got nicked on Thursday and she was quoted on Friday saying she wanted to go into Celebrity Jungle on the telly. He's been out of Liverpool too long if he didn't see this set up.

Next one is her mate will have photos on her phone.

Tony Abrahams
256 Posted 03/09/2017 at 09:40:37
Drunken men get had off every night of the week by unscrupulous women, Will, but I'm not so sure the outcome is always the same though?

Some people can afford it more than others, but it's usually the ones that can't that come out of these situations a little bit better off, because nobody really gives a fuck.

I haven't seen any papers, but I bet you this story is big news in most of them. What a fucked up society we really live in now, but at least this bird will be able to sort her snout out with the money she's gonna make!

Stan Schofield
257 Posted 03/09/2017 at 09:44:02
Michael @245: Looking at the fatality figures, the 'average chance' of getting killed by traffic in the US is about three times that in the UK.
Tony Abrahams
258 Posted 03/09/2017 at 10:13:08
John G, he's definitely been out of Liverpool way to long, but this is the same kid who once gave a brass his autograph, with the caption, you was shagged tonight by me. Signed Wayne Rooney!
John G Davies
259 Posted 03/09/2017 at 10:26:15
She should put that on eBay Tony.

Sickener though mate that he's not seen it. Elephants trunk as a cunt, no doubt, but where were his mates to pull him out?

He needs a refresher course in the Western.

Daniel A Johnson
260 Posted 03/09/2017 at 10:34:31
If you call the girl a slag, then what does that make Wayne Rooney who is married with kids and his wife is pregnant?

She's young and stupid and he should 100% fucking know better and pay more respect to his wife and family.

Tony Abrahams
261 Posted 03/09/2017 at 10:35:51
Possibly the only drug free boozer in the country, John!
Rob Halligan
262 Posted 03/09/2017 at 10:52:57
John G, just seen the photo of this slapper. Jeez, what a right fucking moose she is. Eddie the Eagle Edwards would have a field day skiing down that hooter.
John G Davies
263 Posted 03/09/2017 at 11:31:17
Tony, who? 😂
Tony Abrahams
264 Posted 03/09/2017 at 11:38:39
I don't think he would have beat his personal best time, though, Rob!
John G Davies
265 Posted 03/09/2017 at 11:47:26
That nozzle has been battered with the devils dandruff.
Collapsed on one side.
John Wilson
266 Posted 03/09/2017 at 11:48:01
I am sure most men in here have a mirror which says, 'Adonis...; lovely; handsome; hunky.' Do you have to be so denigrating to females? Stop being so personal as it's hurting my brain.
Dermot Byrne
267 Posted 03/09/2017 at 12:12:49
"Slut, slapper, right fucking moose, slag, elephants trunk as a cunt no doubt, ugly as sin."

Well that's that moral issue sorted then!

Next week: False tits and their role in the Brexit negotiations...

John Wilson
268 Posted 03/09/2017 at 12:26:26
Well, if people on here are pre-occupied with such superficialities it may necessarily raise the question about their IQ level in terms of whether it is below par the average population size.

Alternatively, it is not too remote to suggest in any event, the acquisition and or retention of information appertaining to the important stuff – insofar as the social other capital is concerned – makes it inaccessible in which in absentia (omission) meant these aforesaid persons are not likely to think substantively.

In other words, the local society with its limitations necessarily dumbs the person down... to keep them dull-minded to never question the system.

Okay that was boring. Come on, pissing competition aside, can we not just focus on Rooney's football and not his right to a private life?

John G Davies
269 Posted 03/09/2017 at 13:13:06

It's not all women. Just this boot. 😁

Kim Vivian
270 Posted 03/09/2017 at 13:28:10
I'm pissing meself on here. A serious issue all this for sure, but the turn of phrase from some of you dudes is priceless. Please don't stop.
Sean Kelly
271 Posted 03/09/2017 at 13:33:32
Folks, aside from the state of yer Wayne, there's one thing that's for sure. He's let Everton, Koeman, his team mates and all us Evertonians down by being out on a bender. His behaviour is totally unprofessional. He's let the family down before and no doubt will again. Get rid.

Role model? My arse.

John Wilson
272 Posted 03/09/2017 at 14:27:28
This so-called 'boot' would not be an issue were she not an acquaintance of, or linked to, Mr Rooney, W. Let's discuss his football... not his private life. Come on lads, and ladies of course, let's not resort to this gutter talk.
Mark Riding
273 Posted 03/09/2017 at 14:38:12
If anyone missed today's exclusive interview on TalkSport with Wazza... You didn't miss anything!
John G Davies
274 Posted 03/09/2017 at 14:46:41
John 272,

Fair enough.
She's a football boot.

Tony Abrahams
275 Posted 03/09/2017 at 15:16:25
I don't reckon you would be able to stay on yer feet if you had to kick the ball with her nose getting in the way, John G!
Tony Abrahams
276 Posted 03/09/2017 at 15:20:51
Imagine it? You would be getting sent off every week for diving!
Dermot Byrne
277 Posted 03/09/2017 at 16:12:48
Drink driving? Bad. Agreed.

Yeah and then there "may' be;

Try tax evasion that means your auntie X dies because we didn't have the care staff.

Your brother who lost his job after 36 years & gets less than squat from the state insurance he paid for.

Your cousin who has cerebral palsy & needs your gran coz you cannot be there.

Rooney - yeah bad. Check the robbing bastards who are his neighbours. Maybe they allow more to die and are clever enough to know it and avoid ever addressing that.

Same fuckers own our club and most of the Premier League. Let's not live in fantasy.

Andy Crooks
278 Posted 03/09/2017 at 16:31:25
Rooney has been a fool, but the language used on here to describe this foolish young woman is fucking caveman-like and appalling.
John Pierce
279 Posted 03/09/2017 at 17:01:21
Andy, spot on. Nobody is above a mistake in their life.
John G Davies
280 Posted 03/09/2017 at 17:04:45
"I would have shagged him if the police hadn't stopped us"

I am sure she will be mortified if she reads ToffeeWeb, Andy.

Tony Abrahams
281 Posted 03/09/2017 at 17:09:37
Nothing foolish about this young lady, Andy!
Kevin Tully
283 Posted 03/09/2017 at 17:33:38
Andy - she's a brass, mate. She's on a 'sugar daddy' website.

For £6k a month she's all yours pal, 👍

David Barks
284 Posted 03/09/2017 at 17:36:56
This really is abhorrent. The language and way people are talking about this woman is an absolute disgrace. What has happened to the standards on this site?
Kevin Tully
285 Posted 03/09/2017 at 17:45:30
OK - prostitue. Better?
Ray Roche
286 Posted 03/09/2017 at 17:47:08
David, the standards have gone up since Hibbert retired.
Anthony Hughes
287 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:03:13
Foolish young woman? No, conniving malicious, fame hungry, and she doesn't give a fuck about the impact of destroying soft lad's marriage and his kids. She's a tart and an expensive one at that.
Anthony Hughes
288 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:04:49
Expect her on one of the reality TV shows to get her 15 seconds of fame.
David Barks
289 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:06:53
Who broke the law? Wayne. Who is married with children and was on his way to another woman's bed at 2 am? Wayne. Yet you all just keep attacking the other woman. Makes sense.
Kevin Tully
290 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:10:37
Some of us are pointing out the girl is advertising herself as 'for sale,' David.

It's not an attack.

Andy Crooks
291 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:21:28
David Barks, I agree. This girl must have thought the boat had come in. Even talking to someone famous was probably the best thing that has ever happened to her. Two daft, drunk people get together. It happens every day. However, one is Rooney, famous but still daft. There have been some mysogonistic posts on here and it is unfair.
Brian Williams
292 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:26:49
Andy. I "think" she may not be as daft as you suspect.
On a much more upbeat subject there was a good turn out today at Goodison for the Bradley Lowery game!
Eric Paul
293 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:32:25
I personally lay the blame for any wrongdoing firmly with Wayne Rooney. However, how many on this thread criticising those criticising the girl would be proud if she was your daughter?
Barry Williams
294 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:36:15
Anthony Hughes - 287

Wow, is she more to blame than the married guy, with the kids who has everything to lose, or as a grown man is he exonerated because he had a few drinks? Even if she planned it, he had to be willing!!?? no?

Seeing as this is a football post, does anyone think Mirallas could be used as a possible center forward until January?

Mirallas up front when Lewin isn't, with Rooney and Sandro buzzing about either side and Sigurdsson just behind? Of course it depends on the team formation!

John G Davies
295 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:39:21
Not into misogyny at all but this young lass will more than likely have had enough Blackpool Rock to put a handrail around the Isle of Man.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
296 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:42:03
David, and Andy,

Something like this – a foolish dalliance by Rooney with a young 'office worker' named Laura who seems to enjoy 'a good time' – is guaranteed to awaken the penchant for instant judgement from all of us.

It seems from this thread that the moralistic positions adopted by the punters are, once again, all over the map. We don't all think alike. Some accuse Rooney; some accuse Laura... It takes two to tango.

Tony Abrahams
297 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:44:17
Or tango & loads of cash, for this brash young piece of trash!
Raymond Fox
298 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:48:58
John 295, that's good for a laugh.
Andy Crooks
299 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:51:04
John G, that is a poor post. Let's get back to football!
Dermot Byrne
300 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:52:47
"Some of us are pointing out the girl is advertising herself as 'for sale,' David.
It's not an attack."

And others are on Google trying find out what those annoying fins and gills are for.

"Mam- can I fuck crustacea?"

"Not yet bonnie lad. When you're 200m years old pet". (Apols, Geordie mam).

Tony Abrahams
301 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:56:06
Barry, possibly the fastest Everton, broke from defence to attack, was during Koeman's first game, when we played without a recognised striker

Mirallas, with a point to prove, would be worth a go up top, but it's upto,the manager now to work out his best options, which will obviously change sometimes because of injuries, and the extra games we will now be playing.

I hope we start playing 4-5-1 sometimes, with two wide-men, and two attacking midfielders, but somehow I can't see it happening that much.

Andy Crooks
302 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:57:09
Eric (#293), no, I wouldn't be proud if it was my daughter. I have, though, done some stuff which my daughter, if she ever knew, would not be proud of. But, being a man seems to excuse it.
David Barks
303 Posted 03/09/2017 at 18:59:40
Two to tango? I'm sorry, but what laws did she break? And who is the person who is married with children? Seriously Michael, that's really pathetic on your part.
Will Mabon
304 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:04:42
"Drunken men get had off every night of the week by unscrupulous women, Will, but I'm not so sure the outcome is always the same though?"

Tony, I meant the outcome will be essentially the same for Wayne, whether a set-up or not.

Eric Paul
305 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:06:13
Andy @302

I don't get your point as I lay all the blame for any wrongdoing with the married father of 3/4.

David Barks
306 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:06:42
If this was my daughter, I'd be upset at her actions and hope she'd learn from the experience. If Rooney was my son I would be furious and tell his wife she has the support of the entire family. I'd have trouble even looking at my son without just slapping him in the face. That now his children have to deal with being mocked because of his selfish and idiotic actions.
Dermot Byrne
307 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:09:07
And your point, Michael, re "office worker" and Wayne Rooney?
Tony Abrahams
308 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:13:50
Don't you reckon she gave Rooney the car keys David?

It's very rare that I judge, but it's very often that I like to have a laugh. The girl, is getting the stick because she's after a bit of fame, but the joke is on Rooney because, whatever way you look at it, he's the one who has fucked up.

I hope it all blows over, because the Rooneys have got three young children, with another on the way, whereas it seems to me that this girl has nothing to lose but maybe quite a bit to gain with regards to making a few quid and her face all over the papers.

Fame and fortune... but more likely fish and chips!

Will Mabon
309 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:14:06
"I am sure most men in here have a mirror which says, 'Adonis...; lovely; handsome; hunky.' Do you have to be so denigrating to females? Stop being so personal as it's hurting my brain. "

John, I think the insults are a manifestation of feelings toward the type of woman she is - an over-contrived, intercontinental ballistic sausage seeker for hire, to celebs and those with the money. So overt and obvious, she's a parody of her own self. Far as I can see, it's only been one female getting the stick, not "Females".

Maybe she's "Misunderstood"?

Brian Williams
310 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:16:22
Michael (#296).

A good point well made.

What may have led "some" of the posters to give the girl a hard time (no pun intended) is the possibility that she "may" before, during or after the fact, have been less "innocent drunken girl" and more "girl on the make".

If the papers are to be believed (I know, I know), she is registered on a site that advertises her "time" to older financially solvent gentlemen for the princely sum of £6,000, a sugar daddy site I believe it's referred to.

Follow that with her willingness, and some would say hurry, to get the full story into the papers, which would tend to debunk any theory that she sobered up and felt utterly embarrassed and tried to lay low 'til things blew over, and it's understandable that some would question her motives and her morals.

Does that excuse Wayne Rooney? Certainly not. Do some of the comments constitute mysogyny? Personally, I'd say no. The posters with which other posters seem to have taken issue appear to be directing their feelings towards this single individual woman for her "behaviour". I don't believe that constitutes mysogyny, which doesn't make it any less distasteful to "some."

I have to say, Michael, I commend you and the team for "letting things run" and not turning ToffeeWeb into an overly sanitized site. People are allowed their opinions and people are allowed to be obnoxious, stupid, and less than perfect (within the rules of the site and the laws of the land) just as other people are within their rights to voice their distaste at some of those other people.

But I've never known anyone to be arrested for being obnoxious, stupid, and less than perfect... well, not until around 2am the other morning that is.

Will Mabon
311 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:18:19
"Not into misogyny at all but this young lass will more than likely have had enough Blackpool Rock to put a handrail around the Isle of Man. "

John - keep 'em coming!

Will Mabon
312 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:23:52
"I hope we start playing 4-5-1 sometimes, with two wide-men, and two attacking midfielders, but somehow I can't see it happening that much. "

That appears to be about all we've got for now, as far as any kind of attacking football – and I'll be surprised if it happens, too.

Kevin Tully
313 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:27:13
As per, these threads end up as a race to elect who could be the next papal (not to be confused with Paypal) candidate.

FFS - She's a prozzie and he's a fucking idiot. There is no 'other' take on this story. There's a bleeding heart for everyone. No doubt if Rooney was being blown off whilst driving, there would be some calling for a whip round for a stint in a sex addiction clinc. Strange times we live in.

Brian Williams
315 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:28:52
Do prozzies take Paypal Kev? And if they do, does your Paypal buyer's protection stand?
Oliver Molloy
316 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:31:49
I'm sure any pub owners or people who work in this environment will agree.

When a person drinks alcohol to excess, essentially you are creating a different person (another you) and the very least you can expect is for your judgement on all things to become impaired and you will usually make bad choices a lot of the time.

Kevin Tully
317 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:32:13
Wouldn't know, Bri.

[Walks away with hands in pockets, whistling]

Barry Williams
318 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:32:38
Tony Abrahams - #301

And we played quite well when he had Cahill and Fellaini being swapped around in a game as the main strikers, if I recall correctly!

Brian Williams
319 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:32:54
John G Davies
320 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:32:55

Members of that gang have also been known to use the services of the oldest profession.

It's not just for mere mortals.

Colin Glassar
321 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:35:35
But can she play centre forward? That should be our main concern.
Darren Hind
322 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:37:27
What are we talking, Kevin? Fiver a man?
Daniel A Johnson
323 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:39:45
Lets face it, based on the insults this lass had incurred about her looks, it sounds like some of the fellas on here must have supermodel wife's or girlfriends .

I can guarantee if this lass had come on to half the fellas on here, they would have been driving that Beetle home like Ayrton fucking Senna.

Kevin Tully
324 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:43:22
Never forget when I was at the end of season awards a few years ago in St. Georges Hall. Myself & a pal were Billy Cotton (comp bar) and we nipped outside for a cig.

Denise Barrett whatever the fuck came out and started chatting. She said there was some community programme for helping smokers and people who drank too much. We had a ball telling her how we smoked 100 a day and 2 bottles of vodka if Everton won a game.

In all seriousness, she gave us her personal number. The World's fucked lads...

Will Mabon
325 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:45:35
"I can guarantee if this lass had come on to half the fellas on here they would have been driving that Beetle home like Ayrton fucking Senna. "

...and the other half driving away like Hamilton, with me on pole.

Darren Hind
326 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:47:52
Fair point, Daniel @323

But you are not taking into consideration the elevated principles of the older man.

When you can no longer take your ale and birds will no longer give you the time of day... it's very easy to be critical of piss-heads and womanisers.

Dermot Byrne
327 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:49:03
You promised not to post on this...!
Tony Abrahams
328 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:51:07
We could play 4-4-2 Will!
Will Mabon
329 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:51:49
"But you are not taking into consideration the elevated principles of the older man."

Good line.

John G Davies
330 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:54:56
True very true, as we grow older our performance levels dip.
I noticed that three times last night and twice this morning.
Will Mabon
331 Posted 03/09/2017 at 19:56:25
We could play 4-4-2 Will!

Two up front with this guy, Tony? I'd like to see it tried, but I'd be stunned. Not so many managers like it nowadays, though. Would help if we had enough personnel, too.

How about Dominic Calvert-Lewin and A N Other in a two?

Andy Crooks
332 Posted 03/09/2017 at 20:00:21
Some of the stuff on this thread is beyond belief. But, Michael, keep it coming. Slag, slapper, slut, moose. I always likened ToffeeWeb to a bar where you could argue with your mates. No women allowed, of course.

Tony Abrahams
333 Posted 03/09/2017 at 20:00:45
To be fair, Dermot, it has gone off-topic. Hopefully Rooney jibs the booze now and gets back to what he does best, because he has actually started his second Everton career really well?

I think Oliver has called this one right, the ale can turn mice into Lions, and make Miss Piggy look like Miss World. No wonder nearly everybody loves it!

Tony Abrahams
334 Posted 03/09/2017 at 20:09:22
Can't see it myself either Will, but I've never been a fan of this 4-3-3 though, especially when there isn't that much pace in the attacking players, so for that reason, I want us to play a very balanced 4-5-1.

Dermot Byrne
335 Posted 03/09/2017 at 20:28:15
You are bang-on, Tony A. But hell man sometimes ya just have to (oh shit, no dubleh ontondra meant).
Brent Stephens
336 Posted 03/09/2017 at 20:51:09
Dermot "no dubleh ontondra meant". Would you believe I actually found a French translation for that!
Dermot Byrne
337 Posted 03/09/2017 at 20:58:36
I dread what it means, mate.
Mike Andrews
338 Posted 03/09/2017 at 21:41:35
After TDD I have gone from being a twenty a day man ( visits to TW) to cold turkey for 3 days, fearing the sanctimonious 'told you so's of Mr Larkin et al. Therefore I am late to this thread.

However, tonight my wife is away and I scrolled through. There are lots of comments that I take issue with but way too late to do that now, some fact, some opinion, some guess.

Just one thing though, when women seek to exploit relatively young men whose skills with a football outweigh their maturity, judgment and social skills they are called appalling names and have their physical appearance denigrated; when men do the same thing they are called agents or representatives.

Brent Stephens
340 Posted 03/09/2017 at 21:56:30
Mike (#338) – perhaps the best post of the thread! You should take 3 days off more often!
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
341 Posted 03/09/2017 at 22:03:22
David (#303),

I should hop on my high horse to berate or silence those taking the high moral ground against this 'office worker' (using the term a little tongue-in-cheek, Dermot @#307, as this seemed to the best presumably neutral title the tabloids could come up with before they found the sugar daddy site registration) because you want everyone to follow your lead and take the high moral ground against our flawed star player?

Sorry, not happening. Like I said, two to tango. Is that simple fact not visible from your lofty position?

Dermot Byrne
342 Posted 03/09/2017 at 22:12:29
Tad tongue-in-cheek, M – yeah.

In the end, silliness by those involved and fantastic madness by us all who are not quite in this relationship!

In the end, who cares? I am sure the Premier League Bistro doesn't give a fuck about us.

Stan Schofield
343 Posted 03/09/2017 at 22:17:23
Jumping onto my high horse, I just hope Koeman gets his head together and sorts the tactics out on the pitch. If that happens, and Rooney has a few good games and scores a few goals, all this shite about his out-of-office activities will be quickly forgotten.
Mike Andrews
344 Posted 03/09/2017 at 22:26:17
Thanks Brent! I suspect my hypothetical earlier rants would not have been as well received!
Kevin Tully
345 Posted 03/09/2017 at 22:33:11
The Moral Highground - A lap dancing club where clergy, police & politicians meet to preach the good word.

Amen brother, now give us a donation!

Brian Williams
347 Posted 03/09/2017 at 23:02:35
Not that fond of horses, never know what they're gonna do next.
Mike Andrews
348 Posted 03/09/2017 at 23:09:38
Oh, Kevin. There is such a thing as ethics without hypocrisy. You are one of the people on here whose rationality I always respect.

I know this is a divisive issue. This is a football site and our primary concern is Everton.

I admit, I am now scared about this season. I had high hopes that the return of the prodigal son would reap major benefits. This might derail that beyond repair.

However, there are wider issues. Exploitation – a two-way street. Irresponsibility – a personal choice. Driving after drinking – another personal choice... but one with consequences.

Don Alexander
349 Posted 03/09/2017 at 23:35:43
Well said Mike, and that's not to criticise Kevin whose opinion I too respect.

What I don't respect are people on this site who liberally describe anyone with a differing opinion about the Everton we all support as "straw-men" and the rest of the insults (dictionary definition: "a person regarded as having no substance or integrity"). Most Toffees have integrity, even with diverging opinions.

Getting back to Rooney I have allowed him some licence since his return given the fact that he's a dyed-in-the-wool Blue, despite my misgivings re his fitness, professionalism etc. In the event of conviction it won't just be his driving licence he loses as far as I'm concerned though.

Oliver Molloy
350 Posted 03/09/2017 at 23:50:58
I absolutely should not be laughing my bollocks off but having read .

Darren @ 326 , John G @ 330 , Tony @ 333 and Brian @ 347

I just can't help myself.
I apologise to anyone offended by my admission.

Colin Glassar
351 Posted 04/09/2017 at 00:20:12
According to some twitter rumours, Wayne's member has been spotted hanging from a lamppost in Croxteth.
David Edwards
352 Posted 04/09/2017 at 00:55:14
Sifting through this thread has been the hardest job since I 'tuned' into TW over a decade ago. Good posts have mixed with downright dodgy views as well – I suppose Michael deserves praise for keeping it open in these PC days.

Has Rooney been an absolute prat? Completely! As someone very pleased with his initial contribution this season, especially given our late transfer deadline shambles regarding a striker, I am saddened that not only is he getting the drinks in on his self-imposed international career – but clearly his fitness levels mean little to him as well!

Driving after drinking (regardless of how far over the limit) is not acceptable or morally justifiable in this day and age, and why the hell even drive yourself when you can afford a personal driver or pay for a taxi for the rest of your bloody life!

In some way, the moral aspect is another issue. I have no idea about Colleen's and Wayne's personal strength of relationship. I can only imagine what my wife would say if I found myself in a similar situation with another lady (although if she was abroad and pregnant at the time, I'd be concerned our bond was not as strong as it could be!)

The other woman in question is clearly seeing her moment of fame (and fortune) – so she doesn't particularly get a positive view from me – but Rooney's idiocy goes beyond that!

So how as a true blue do I cope with Rooney stepping on the pitch next time? A celebrity buffoon – probably (but let's face it, Big Dunc has been there already!) A sad reminder of our 'everything goes' world of today – definitely! Has he ruined the 'homecoming' narrative promoted by Kenwright and others? Undoubtedly!

However, I am old enough not to need role models in my life (sadly unlike our younger fans who will see Rooney's behaviour as nothing to aspire to, hopefully). If he shows me he can perform on the pitch and help us reach a higher level than our squad and manager currently suggest, then he has served his role as far as EFC is concerned!

Isn't it sad though, that our heroes are such paper tigers? Even old fogeys like me would like some hope that the real world doesn't always intrude on the field of Goodison Park. Ho hum... maybe Colleen can make more sense out of it all!

Ernie Baywood
353 Posted 04/09/2017 at 03:20:01
See, I never bought the homecoming narrative. What I did buy into was his experience and knowhow improving and educating our team. It's taken a matter of weeks for that to be blown out of the water! He's not the consummate professional – he's still the same silly boy!
Darren Hind
354 Posted 04/09/2017 at 07:24:58

You seem to be having trouble with this strawman lark.

Let me explain. It's the argument that is often referred to as straw-man, not the individual.

Straw-man Argument ; The deliberate misrepresentation of another person's standpoint. It's rife in politics, banter... and on TW.

Example; "Barkley compared to Alan Ball???"

It's not offensive at all... to those who understand the difference. Those who don't, could "Just dance and be merry" Their lives "would be a Ding-a-Derry"

If they only had a brain.

Don Alexander
355 Posted 04/09/2017 at 08:13:37
It's a pejorative term, Darren, not suited to a mere difference of opinion, towards an argument or an individual. Or maybe the compilers of the Oxford English etc etc don't have your level of understanding either?
Colin Glassar
356 Posted 04/09/2017 at 08:24:24
Mary Whitehouse appears to be alive and well in the minds of some people on here.

I don't care what Rooney does on his own time. I didn't care when the likes of Pienaar or Gibson were done for drink driving. If they've broken the law then they deserve to be punished like anyone else.

All this faux outrage, this shock horror that a very rich, bored young man might want to bang a slightly attractive young woman with big tits after a few drinks is laughable.

I'm sure none of you have ever been tempted, or thought about it. If you have then you know the answer. A cold shower and three Hail Marys. Give me a break.

Mark Daley
358 Posted 04/09/2017 at 08:41:16
I read that Colleen had given him both barrels. You'd have thought more beer was the last thing he wanted...
Darren Hind
360 Posted 04/09/2017 at 08:43:53

A dictionary is a useful tool if you know how to use it.

You simply need to understand what it is you are trying to find out.

Brian Williams
368 Posted 04/09/2017 at 17:00:33
Sky presenter Kirsty Gallacher (thirsty Kirsty as she should be known) THREE times over the limit at 11am driving to pick up her kids. Difficult to find a mention on Sky. Count the times between now and the court case Rooney's indiscretion is mentioned.
Tony Everan
369 Posted 04/09/2017 at 17:06:36
His kids need to be put first in any of this petty infidelity.

He has been a tit, naive, and should know better. But If he can save his marriage and mend his ways, it's got to be the best outcome for all. I hope they sort it.

Colin Glassar
370 Posted 04/09/2017 at 17:07:04
The media are loving this, Brian. I wouldn't be surprised if The Sun bring back Kelvin to do a special about scousers called, "I told you so".
Brian Williams
371 Posted 04/09/2017 at 17:13:18
Agree Col. Those vultures are rubbing their hands.
Martin Mason
372 Posted 04/09/2017 at 17:28:57

To be fair, I've never known the term Straw Man in terms of a discussion classed as a pejorative. As Darren points out it is a description of the argument and not the person who is arguing.

I do realise it has more meanings than I know about though.

Michael Kenrick
373 Posted 04/09/2017 at 17:43:56
Don and Martin, like many, you may despise and distrust Wikipedia, but their page on this topic of the straw man argument is well worth a read.
Brent Stephens
374 Posted 04/09/2017 at 18:01:06
Straw man - Oxford Dictionatries:

1 An intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. ‘her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach’ as modifier ‘you are constructing a straw man argument’

2 A person regarded as having no substance or integrity. ‘a photogenic straw man gets inserted into office and advisers dictate policy’

Brent Stephens
375 Posted 04/09/2017 at 18:03:11
And from wikipedia "One common folk etymology is that it refers to men who stood outside courthouses with a straw in their shoe in order to indicate their willingness to be a false witness".
Michael Kenrick
376 Posted 04/09/2017 at 18:10:06
And I see Souness [spit] is the latest to come out with a reason why Barkley did his u-turn... because he could not see himself getting a lot of games at Chelsea.

Seeing something of a pattern here: Koeman not assuring him of of being first choice; not making him captain; bringing in at least two other players in his position; Conte not answering his phone to reassure him of where he would play; and finally a fear that he would not get a lot of games...

Still strange to me that a player would seek such assurances. Surely the way to ensure you are picked is to play really really well, in every game. How about it, Ross?

Martin Mason
377 Posted 04/09/2017 at 18:27:25
Michael, you don't know that he did seek these reassurances.
Peter Warren
378 Posted 04/09/2017 at 18:35:32
Michael, I don't think Ross is worried about not playing and/or his position. Seems patently obvious he delayed to look after his own financial interests. He had a offer from Champions who have Hazard missing and new central midfield and he would have lots of opportunity for games. Makes no sense in world cup year other than financial reasons to say no – unless he had a change of heart and wants to play for Everton which he has made pretty clear was not the case.

He will pocket a bigger fee and Everton will get £20m or so less.

Now whether he is doing this because he feels cast adrift at Everton, or simply because he's a money grabbing tosser is up for debate. I think he's the latter.

Phil Bellis
379 Posted 04/09/2017 at 18:37:15
Kevin (#345),

Not been to that club in my Whitehall days; frequented School Dinners. No complaints about a thumb in your soup.

Darren Hind
380 Posted 04/09/2017 at 18:38:28
If you want to know what a straw man argument is, just google 'straw man argument'.

If you want to know what a 'straw man' is, google 'Worzel Gummidge'.

Michael Kenrick
381 Posted 04/09/2017 at 19:41:53
Martin, we know very little with any degree of certainty:

He was offered a new contract.
He rejected the new contract.
He want to play Champions League.
The club accepted a £35M offer for him from Chelsea.
He turned it down, without having a medical.

[That bit about the medical has conflicting apparently reputable sources in Barkley himself, versus the perhaps now less reputable Farhad Moshiri.]

Everything else is speculation, rumour, hearsay. The pattern I was seeing is in that speculation, rumour, hearsay... for what it's worth. Possibly nothing.

Same about Peter Warren's conviction that it's all about money – that Ross is a money-grabbing tosser. Zero evidence of that... but it's not going to stop people believing it if that is their preferred angle.

Same with those saying he does not want to play for Everton and never will do again. Some believe he doesn't want to play for Koeman but it's a bit dangerous to predict the future with such confidence. Stranger things have happened.

Neil Lawson
382 Posted 04/09/2017 at 20:54:14
Rooney is an employee subject to club rules. No doubt certain of those rules have been breached. He should be suspended until the outcome of his court case at which point the club MUST consider carefully their response. An example has to be set and any suggestion that he may be forgiven if he were to score the winner against Spurs must be avoided.

He is a role model for the younger players and a shit one given his behaviour. There is an argument for sacking him and the club should not shy away from that conclusion if the circumstances warrant it.

And who knows what Coleen will do to him.Professional. Pah. Knob.

Paul Setter
383 Posted 04/09/2017 at 22:35:43
If I was caught drink driving, my employer would show me the door straight away and rightly so. I would have no problem with it. It's a wrong with nothing good about it.

I didn't want Rooney back at the club as I personally think going back is not going forward!! I want him gone with immediate effect.

Alexander Murphy
384 Posted 04/09/2017 at 00:08:25
For those in favour of Rooney being sacked, you need to consider that, should Everton treat Rooney differently than another recent such offender (Gibson), would be clearly unfair because it is inconsistent.

Introducing a new "zero tolerance" rule from this point would affect all equally.

The club has no intention of sacking him, none at all.

I had gradually come around to see value in his return. With the benefit of hindsight, I now wish that we hadn't re-signed him. Any "dressing room benefit" could be greatly outweighed by the media circus and turmoil in his personal life yet to come if Colleen does sack him.

So much for Rooney's international retirement to concentrate on winning trophies with Everton, unless his first target is "the yard of ale".

Colin Glassar
385 Posted 05/09/2017 at 00:19:14
Bloody hell the moral majority are out in force tonight. I say he should be hung, drawn and quartered to satisfy the bloodlust of the holier-than-thou crowd.
Chris Corn
386 Posted 05/09/2017 at 00:38:39
Paul (#383), Rooney is a belter who has undermined the club and made a fool of himself. However I don't believe he should be sacked for drink driving. His job is not reliant on his ability to drive and he is not in employment, ie, public services, whereby committing criminal offences undermines your ability to do a job.

If all footballers who were convicted over the years for this had been sacked, there would be even longer queues down the dole.

Duncan Ferguson served a custodial sentence for assault and was banned for drink driving, yet to some he is a legend. Never heard calls for him to be sacked. Double standards, I'd say.

Barry Jones
387 Posted 05/09/2017 at 01:41:14
He has let himself down, also his wife and family, the club and me and all of you. I do hope that the severity of that, plus the fact that he was a danger to many innocent people, registers with him. This is largely unforgivable and such a letdown.
Neil Lawson
388 Posted 05/09/2017 at 06:37:13
I said he should be sacked "if the circumstances warrant it". We do not yet know the level of alcohol in his system nor all the circumstances surrounding his driving and the reason for him being stopped and his behaviour thereafter.

We do know, it seems, that he was on the lash for several hours after training at a time when his fitness and physical health is paramount. Still a knob.

Kim Vivian
389 Posted 05/09/2017 at 07:48:04
Chris Corn, yes.

What I find a little bewildering, though, was why was she not driving? – her car.

Will Mabon
390 Posted 05/09/2017 at 08:42:42
Kim – hard for her to see over the dash whilst bent at the waist?
Kim Vivian
391 Posted 05/09/2017 at 09:22:31
Haha, Will.
Joe Foster
392 Posted 05/09/2017 at 11:18:34
As Rooney is someone young kids look up to, I am now worried my 6-year-old will copy him and go on a 10-hour bender and get done for drink driving.
Dale Rose
393 Posted 05/09/2017 at 13:53:24
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

A mate of mine went to a dinner where George Best was the speaker. He was getting barracked by a fuckwit at the back and responded by asking said fuckwit how many Miss Worlds had he shagged. The barracking soon stopped.

My point is these guys live in a different universe to the rest of us. Give him a break. If he puts three in past the Red Shite on derby day, I'll bend over the dashboard for him myself!!!!!!!.

Chris Williams
394 Posted 05/09/2017 at 13:58:44
There's probably only one person kicking Wayne harder than himself right now, and that is Colleen.
Alan McGuffog
395 Posted 05/09/2017 at 14:01:51
Will he be able to run faster now that Colleen is wearing his cobblers for earrings?
Peter Roberts
396 Posted 05/09/2017 at 17:56:33
On the subject of the trollop in all of this, The Mirror ran an article from an eyewitness who said he was posing for a paparazzi shot outside her nan's house, clearly staged as she then went with the photographer to his van.

Which lends more credence to the theory that Wayne has been set up and is in fact what we all knew anyway, a talented footballer but thick as two short ones. Colleen should be belting him all over the house (after the kids have gone to bed).

Dermot Byrne
397 Posted 05/09/2017 at 18:07:43
"... after the kids have gone to bed"

Lol. Very funny!

Brian Williams
398 Posted 05/09/2017 at 18:15:29
My point is these guys live in a different universe to the rest of us. Give him a break. If he puts three in past the Red Shite on derby day, I'll bend over the dashboard for him myself!!!!!!!.

Well YOU won't be casting any stones after you do that, mate!

James Power
399 Posted 05/09/2017 at 23:14:39
Darren, you are on fire. Of course, not literally. That would be ridiculous. However, please keep drinking or smoking or whatever it is you are doing.

As for Rooney and his girl, I don't really care whether the girl is ugly, rough or beautiful, it has no bearing on the amount of sex I am getting (which is minimal to be fair) but I would rather Rooney be sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber trying to maximise his physical capabilities than sinking 6 pints and then hoping to cut it in the 'best league in the world'.

I was at Chelsea last week and we were shit. Rooney looked tired and I am sure 6 pints didn't do him good in the sharpness stakes, even if he did have a lie in the next day, so...

Steve Carse
400 Posted 05/09/2017 at 23:47:03
If Rooney looked tired at Chelsea, then it was only because he had covered more ground than anyone else, had chased more opposition than anyone else, and had tried his utmost to gee everyone up, to no avail.

If I recall correctly, with just a few minutes to go, he picked up a ball wide left and went past three men with pace and guile, something I'd not seen him do for many a year. As usual of course having done that he looked up to find no support, no-one offering themselves, and subsequently got crowded out.

Eddie Dunn
401 Posted 05/09/2017 at 23:59:11
Rooney looked a frustrated man in the closing stages of the Chelsea game. I was feeling the same way, but he must know more than anyone that he needs to look after his body if he is to realise our shared dream of winning a trophy in blue.

I have no interest in tabloid shite but as an aging 6-a-side player (56 years and 11months) I am well aware of the impact of both occasional sex and regular drinks, and it does nothing for one's performance on the pitch.

He has a high mileage for a man of only 31, so I hope he takes this latest experience and learns something because I think that he could be the catalyst for good times(on the pitch) in the coming couple of seasons.

John G Davies
402 Posted 06/09/2017 at 06:54:32

You're right, it's a matter of priorities, when it comes to mixing sex and drink with sporting activity. You have to get your priorities right.

Fuck the football off.

Eddie Dunn
403 Posted 06/09/2017 at 08:19:58
Right John - I'll tell the missus now.
Will Mabon
404 Posted 06/09/2017 at 08:21:02
"I am well aware of the impact of both occasional sex and regular drinks, and it does nothing for one's performance on the pitch."

We're of similar age, Eddie. Try switching it up - regular sex, occasional drinks...

Brian Williams
405 Posted 06/09/2017 at 10:21:01
"I am well aware of the impact of both occasional sex and regular drinks, and it does nothing for one's performance on the pitch."

I think that depends on which of 'em you're doing when the ball's played to you.

James Power
406 Posted 06/09/2017 at 15:46:06
Pace and guile, sounds like a comedy duo. There won't be much of either left if he is drinking 6 pints on a regular basis and I doubt it was a 'one off'.
Andy Crooks
407 Posted 06/09/2017 at 20:54:00
I think that Rooney has been very good for us so far. I think this will motivate him and make him prove a point. The courts will deal with him. Thankfully, his punishment will not be dished out by the sanctimonious judges and executioners on this site.
Michael Lynch
408 Posted 18/09/2017 at 10:57:11
Two year ban, 100 hours unpaid community service, and has to watch a video of our last four games on a loop for a week. Got off lightly, but the video punishment is a bit harsh, he should appeal that.

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