Birmingham looks set to become the government's preferred option to host the 2022 Commonwealth Games over Liverpool.
However, Liverpool's failure to land the Games won't effect Everton's proposed new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock which was to be at the centre of the city's bid, with the inclusion in the plans of a temporary running track to accommodate athletics events.
Both Liverpool City Council and Everton insist that today's news has no bearing on the outcome of the planning phase for the new stadium or the likelihood of the proposal proceeding.
"Everton is proud to have been part of the city's bid t host the Commonwealth Games," a statement from the club reads. "Well one to Mayor Anderson and the bid team for such a bold and entrepreneurial submission – showing once again that the city is ambitious and progressive.
"Our plans for Bramley Moore Dock continue, plans which will support the regeneration of north Liverpool and the city region."
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1 Posted 07/09/2017 at 11:03:33
Huge blow to the plans.
2 Posted 07/09/2017 at 11:07:15
3 Posted 07/09/2017 at 11:11:04
I too wasn't aware the stadium was dependent on the Games, so not too worried. If Moshiri did come out and say that was the end of it, he would be lynched.
4 Posted 07/09/2017 at 11:20:29
Please God, Everton's plans AREN'T reliant on the city getting the games.
5 Posted 07/09/2017 at 11:46:46
6 Posted 07/09/2017 at 12:23:02
I'm guessing that the actual stadium project shouldn't be affected, but we may be on a bus to the game, rather than a shiny new rail link to Bramley-Moore station. It would have been good news for the council and the club if they had landed the games, but the running track issue was always going to mean a compromise on design, no matter what people say.
I would say this is good news for EFC, as we can now press forward without too much interference from other parties. That's if the whole scheme wasn't dependent on the Commonwealth Games - you never know what promises were made behind closed doors.
7 Posted 07/09/2017 at 12:53:05
9 Posted 07/09/2017 at 13:08:17
10 Posted 07/09/2017 at 14:38:30
On the other hand, if it does get off the ground without the games at least we shouldnt need to install an athletics track in any form.
11 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:07:48
12 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:10:25
13 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:25:23
If, as stated above, no less than £500M was to be awarded towards infrastructure costs, it's loss starts to make the cost to the Club sound prohibitive.
Thus, 2025-2030 begins to seem a more achievable time frame for completion as bad luck continues to haunt the project. Then, it's always 'tomorrow'.
14 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:38:03
15 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:50:15
How many times have some of us complained about the semi finals being played at Wembley when it would make more sense to play it somewhere like Villa Park.
But have to agree with some here that I hope it doesn't hamper our stadium plans.
16 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:52:29
17 Posted 07/09/2017 at 17:15:31
18 Posted 07/09/2017 at 17:20:10
The council we were told were co-funding the project? We couldn't buy players before selling Lukaku so how can we afford to build a £500 million arena? Here's were Moshiri gets found out. I can just see that new tier on the Park End stand as I am writing this... Jeez.
More embarrassing times ahead I'm afraid. Kopites already hammering me on text. The club have just basically said the ground wont be built any time soon. Only at Everton, FFS!!!
Kenwright out once again for the hundredth time.
19 Posted 07/09/2017 at 17:49:51
20 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:17:48
Still we'll wait for a sound bite from Goodison.
21 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:18:13
22 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:32:27
23 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:33:49
24 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:48:20
25 Posted 07/09/2017 at 19:07:51
The silence around the ground proposal is natural as we're in between the announcement over an agreement to acquire the land, outlining of funding, etc and the next stage which is designs and plans. None of this stuff happens quickly.
26 Posted 07/09/2017 at 19:24:35
But to be honest, I see the actual games as a nonsense.
I remember watching an hour or so of coverage when it was held in Glasgow and thinking this looks like a really professionally done school sports day (nothing against Glasgow, one of my fave cities).
Plus the whole thing is imo staggeringly unfair.
"And the Democratic Republic of Niazululand, formerly Belgian Povland don't actually hav access to a swimming pool so have to train in a tin bathtub."
The money home nations/Canada/Aussies have (and spend) compared to most of the competing 'nations' is a fucking joke.
Seriously, how many Velodromes do you think there are in Sarawak or Sabah or The Turks & Caicos Islands?
All me arse, 'The last Vapours Of The Empire Games' we might as well call it.
Just an opinion.
Up the Toffees!
27 Posted 07/09/2017 at 19:28:16
28 Posted 07/09/2017 at 19:53:39
29 Posted 07/09/2017 at 19:59:40
30 Posted 07/09/2017 at 20:05:13
They merely provide security for the loan we are going to take out. If we cannot pay the bank, the council step in. So think of it like a parent signing a form for their child so they pay rent if the child doesn't.
31 Posted 07/09/2017 at 21:18:34
I would of put up with a removable running track to get the bigger better deal myself.
32 Posted 08/09/2017 at 00:12:34
33 Posted 08/09/2017 at 07:16:51
34 Posted 08/09/2017 at 07:42:31
Yes, I know co-funding was not the correct wording but LCC were supposed to be helping us all the way with the scheme to re-build the docklands site. I wonder how keen the council will now be to get involved without the games?
I think securing the loan for us was only part of the deal. The infrastructure around that area is terrible and has been dilapidated for decades. There is nothing we can do there without LCC chipping in.
I really do fear the whole project will be put on the back burner while new revenue streams are sought. Moshiri to me is just a front man for Kenwright. I can't see Moshiri putting his money in. Even his super rich pal Usmanov is trying to bleed Arsenal for money to invest in the States.
In short, I think the Bramley-Moore stadium is doomed for the time being, if not indefinitely. Kenwright is a clown. Everything he touches goes to pot. How on earth can Muppets like Kenwright and Elstone be trusted with a scheme of this magnitude when they can't get transfer policies right? It's a joke.
35 Posted 08/09/2017 at 10:49:20
Engineers amongst us might like to hazard a guess as to whether it is more expensive to build to a tight deadline compared with more time to build I suspect the former is the more expensive. Consequently, the stadium is more likely to be built rather than less.
Are the council likely to renege on the funding vehicle agreement? Probably not as they profit from the scheme. They thus also stand to benefit from cooperating in the planning, permissions etc. No problems there.
Loss of £500 million in infrastructure payments? I suspect that figure refers to the total cost of staging the Games (Glasgow cost £450 million). There might have been a bit of road repairing & rethinking of routing but the major developments in North Liverpool are going ahead for the new port. There was a lot to build for this bid besides the stadium (a floating swimming pool? Why?) and that is where most of it would have been spent.
The new stadium will make a new station just as attractive as it was before especially when you consider all the other plans for the waterfront cruise liner terminal, ten streets etc.
To conclude the failed bid makes building our new stadium slightly cheaper if anything, and it may take a year or so longer to build but nothing is more sure than we need this stadium. As long as Moshiri is our owner, it will happen.
36 Posted 08/09/2017 at 10:53:28
This is happening, guys it's not another Kings Dock fiasco!
37 Posted 08/09/2017 at 11:17:53
Quality + Speed = Cost.
Speed + Cheap = Potential Poor Quality.
Quality + Low Cost = May take time.
Any 2 from 3 - you pick
38 Posted 08/09/2017 at 11:34:10
A longer construction period reduces direct labour costs but increases overhead costs (indirect manpower and other operating costs) which can be quite significant. On top of that, there is potential for material costs to increase (or decrease) due to inflation and market forces.
No one formula fits all; each project has to be assessed individually.
39 Posted 08/09/2017 at 15:17:55
40 Posted 08/09/2017 at 15:25:42
I don't know why people are being negative (from an Everton perspective) about the Commonwealth Games as hosting it was a side issue which would have been nice for the city; great to have our ground as the showpiece but sod them we will rise above it.
41 Posted 08/09/2017 at 16:09:43
The loss of the games will have a significant effect on sponsorship and commercial investment in the area. Imagine the level of tourists that would attract hoteliers and restaurateurs etc.
I am sure some of this investment would have aided the stadium build; consequently, I believe there will now be a delay while they talk to other commercial investors and they may well scale down the capacity.
Marshy, sorry to correct you but I think you are thinking of Kroenke who is far from being Moshiri's mate. Usmanov is still trying to get a seat on the board and gets little benefit from his investment in Arsenal, unlike Kenwright's cronies.
42 Posted 08/09/2017 at 16:58:04
It's one thing to tempt fate, but to kick it's teeth out, then drop your kecks and show it your arse, is begging for trouble.
43 Posted 12/09/2017 at 15:36:44
This is Everton remember!!
44 Posted 12/09/2017 at 15:43:43
When you finally sit there, you'll become convinced you are dreaming and that it can't be real! The next match, you'll start to become convinced it will all slip into the river, drowning the best half of our current team in the process!
This is Everton, and Everton fans, remember!
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