Report: Mirallas and Schneiderlin sent home from training

Sunday 5 November 2017  109 Comments  [Jump to last]
Kevin Mirallas and Morgan Schneiderlin were dismissed from first-team training yesterday and told to go home because of a "lack of effort", according to a report by Sky Sports.

The claim is lent credence by the fact that both players were left out of David Unsworth's squad to face Watford today.

Mirallas was substituted at half time of the Premier League defeat to Leicester last weekend and played no part in Thursday's Europa League match in Lyon.

Schneiderlin, meanwhile, was sent off for two bookable offences against the French side.  

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Kase Chow
1 Posted 05/11/2017 at 23:46:42

Strong management if true

I think I’m biased in that I want Unsy to be manager. And when I see or read a story such as this then I think ‘Boom, you’ll do for me’

He’s not been afraid to sub Rooney, to leave out Siggy, to blood youngsters and now to send home seniors

Roll the dice and we may keep getting what we just gotten: Koeman and Martinez and their inexplicable unbalanced teams. Try out Unsy and who knows?

I would LOVE IT if one of our own could bring us success. It would feel double the pleasure

Sean Smythe
2 Posted 05/11/2017 at 23:54:06
Both disgusting and heartening. Disgusting they put in little effort, heartening they were told to sling their hook.
Len Hawkins
3 Posted 05/11/2017 at 23:59:36
I think there are a few more who could be following them as The Boss doesn't seem overly enamoured with Koemans imports.
Les Ryan
4 Posted 05/11/2017 at 00:11:06
Doesn't surprise me that these two aren't up for this predicament we're currently in. Over the years, at times, Mirallas has looked decent, but unfortunately not often/consistently enough. I think it's best for all parties if he goes as soon as possible. Maybe if Moyes gets the West Ham job he'll get his much coveted move there in Jan.

Schneiderlin! He has no right at all. The guy's never looked like a blue and has the discipline of a toddler at times. As much as we thought and hoped the days were gone, this is very much “dogs of war” time again. And slackers that want an easy payday with limited commitment aren't helpful, nor welcome at our wonderful club.

What positives can possibly come from behaving this way at times like this?
Victor Jones
5 Posted 06/11/2017 at 00:13:15
Sell them in January.. That's if anybody wants them. I always questioned Mirallas's attitude ever since he argued with Baines over that penalty a few seasons back. I think that we know that this guys attitude stinks . The signs were always there. Who now thinks that he has a future at Everton. Or should I say .who thinks that he is Evertons future?

And as for Schneiderlin. He is just fxcking useless. The signs were there for all to see when Mourinio let him go from Utd. Mourinio is no mug.

That shows strong management to chase those two from the training ground. No bad influences needed. We can manage without them. And come January .we will also finally replace Lukaku. We are bigger that any one player. That's our Everton. That's our team.

Charlie Lloyd
6 Posted 06/11/2017 at 00:29:53
If true then Schneiderlin is probably finished with us. He has been shocking all season and last thursdays sending off let his teammates down too. Apparently now lacking effort in training. Right decision to remove a bad apple and let’s just ship him out in Jan for whatever we can get.

Thought Mirallas was a bit unlucky to be the player subbed at HT at Leicester. However he’s proved on numerous occasions that he’s got suspect temperament. If true that looks like the end for him too.

It’s just disrespectful to all (teammates and fans) to act this way.

Steve Ferns
7 Posted 06/11/2017 at 00:56:33
As I said on other threads, the rumour is not lack of effort. They were fighting.

This was going all round the ground before the game. Now this has come out it gives credence to the rumour.

The rumour in full is that they had a training ground fight. They were both sent home and suspended for three days from the club. This happened on Saturday.

Peter Gorman
8 Posted 06/11/2017 at 01:32:34
A fight? well in fairness they are both quite punchable.

Perhaps the fight was over Vlasic's honour.

I used to think Mirallas was an exciting player to watch but that was about 3 years ago.

When we signed Schneiderlin I thought we had a rolls-royce player and he looked to be in patches as we finished 7th. This season we've all seen and said how garbage he is.

Mirallas' misdemeanors are well documented but I was first really pissed off with Schneiderlin after his none-too-subtle whispering-fest with Lukaku after our thumping at Old Trafford.

This season so far has been a real eye-opener when it comes to judging character. A lot of these guys don't have any. After tonight, I am heartened to say that some others (you'd never have bet on) clearly do.

Clive Mitchell
9 Posted 06/11/2017 at 01:35:18
Waste of space, the pair of them.
Alan J Thompson
10 Posted 06/11/2017 at 02:12:48
Whatever the reason it is disappointing that this has leaked out of Finch Farm but, unless I'm wrong, little if anything was said about Koeman's treatment of Niasse. Perhaps our Chairman should send the memo out to all employees as to their expected conduct. Who knows what will come out, as it so often does, at these International breaks.
Chad Schofield
11 Posted 06/11/2017 at 02:28:01
If it was a fight, you'd be pretty pissed off for it to be labelled a 'lack of effort'. Depends on the fight though... If it was a squabble over 'Which is classier, a Porsche or a Bentley?' - well then, fair play.

Still, dickheads.

James Stewart
12 Posted 06/11/2017 at 02:56:28
Schneiderlin has been nothing short of a disgrace this season. Providing someone will pay his huge salary he should be shown the door.

Closely followed by waster Kev who hasn't been worth a wage since Moyes left.

Bill Gienapp
13 Posted 06/11/2017 at 04:21:09
I have no idea what's happened to Schneiderlin. I thought he was a tremendous acquisition last year and he seemed to genuinely take to the club, speaking openly about how the move reinvigorated him after finding himself frozen out at ManU. He had a good, pre-existing relationship with Koeman, so I doubt that went sour (and why would it? Sticking with him no matter what was one of Koeman's most stubborn failings this season). But now he just seems sulky, disinterested and an all-around bad apple.
Mike Dolan
14 Posted 06/11/2017 at 05:09:24
I too was happy when we signed Schneiderlin he really looked like a class player his display against Lyon was a total disgrace he was not even trying and begging to get sent off. Mirallas is just a make up the numbers player he's been useless for three years. Good management by Unsy now the club should back him up and show both players the door. They are poison.
John Smith
15 Posted 06/11/2017 at 05:46:01
Baningime > Schneiderlin.

Lennon > Mirallas.

Ernie Baywood
16 Posted 06/11/2017 at 06:00:05
I haven't looked Schneiderlin for a minute. Ducks responsibility on and of the ball, looks like he couldn't give a shit.

His effort against Lyon was absolutely typical. In fact I'm pretty sure I got criticised on here last season for stating that he plays sideways, gives the ball away, and hacks people down rather than be bothered to chase them.

I'm glad to hear we've got someone around who will deal with his bullshit.

Paul Ward
17 Posted 06/11/2017 at 06:03:57
I can't wait to see both of these over rated pricks go. Mirallas since the Moyes days has only ever seemed to be a squad player. Without waisting my time checking records, I can only remember him playing 90 minutes on few occasions. The last 2 managers either subbed him or made him a sub or he was dropped

Scheindelin looked OK at Southampton, couldn't get a game at United played half a dozen decent games last season and has been a waist of space ever since.

Good riddance.!!

Ray Skellorn
18 Posted 06/11/2017 at 06:42:41
Both useless with terrible attitudes, offer absolutely nothing to the squad with their limited efforts and commitment. Hopefully both of them wont get anywhere near the 1st team again and will thankfully be shown the door in january. Unsworth not scared to show these supposed stars with their major ego's, who is the boss. Good on him, thats what we need with this lot.
David Currie
19 Posted 06/11/2017 at 06:44:45
No loss, both a couple of wankers and both have no guts about them. Get rid ASAP.
Dave Bickley
20 Posted 06/11/2017 at 06:51:48
The pair of them both represent what is sick in today's professional game.I hope they can be fined and in particular Schneiderlin whom I believe is on 100k plus should be sued for breach of contract.Get them both out in January at whatever loss as no longer fit to represent our great club.Dont put them with the kids as their pathetic attitude would only rub off on them !
John Keating
21 Posted 06/11/2017 at 07:15:07
Not just these two.
Every one of the squad should be talked too, looked at and a determination made.
If anyone is not prepared to toe the line and give everything for the Club then on the transfer list pronto.
We are not in a position to carry any overpaid wasters.
Paul Mackay
22 Posted 06/11/2017 at 07:18:17
Mirallas is an absolut knob. How many tantrums has that bloke had over the years, I’m bored of him.

Lennon has impressed me since he has been brought back in by Rhino. Considering he wouldn’t have been match fit he has applied himself well, injected some much needed pace into the team and won us the game against Watford.

So get rid of KM as I’m happy that Lennon is a better player.

Will Mabon
23 Posted 06/11/2017 at 07:18:41
I wonder who won? Can't believe Schneiderlin could catch Kev if he went after him, so maybe Kev made the attack? Could be his best of the season so far.
Paul A Smith
25 Posted 06/11/2017 at 07:24:16
There is a dodgy line somewhere here. Its seems they were sent home but from lack of effort to fighting? Someone is getting bad info.
We read of training ground bust ups all the time so I can't think why the club would hide that?
On the positive side this should delight the fansbase over the international break as we love a rumour don't we.
Someone knows someone who knows someone that knows someone who delivers milk to Finch Farm said
Sam Hoare
26 Posted 06/11/2017 at 07:45:53
Schneiderlin is close to my least favourite Everton player ever at the moment. Such a disappointment.

To think Koeman spent £100m on him Klaassen and Siggurdsson makes my blood boil!

Rick Pattinson
27 Posted 06/11/2017 at 07:52:23
Mess with the rhino you get the horn boys!!!!...
Bob Parrington
28 Posted 06/11/2017 at 07:56:14
If this was Unsys decision, he's got balls and I think we should give him more time. Just what the doctor ordered. Signal to the rest of the squad - if you don't put in you'll go the same way. Result - respect from those who do "put-in" and are truly prepared to fight for their places --- and for the club.

Well done Mr. Unsworth, sir!

If approval came to Unsy from Moshiri - Goodonya' mate!

Ian Bennett
29 Posted 06/11/2017 at 08:03:49
Where's the Schneiderlein fine money Bill?
Gareth Clark
30 Posted 06/11/2017 at 08:09:40
Everyone calm down...

Everyone was praising Morgan last year & some said he was the signing of the season even though he was signed in Jan.

We’ve had a poor start, and Morgan hasn’t played well, but that doesn’t mean he’s a poor player... there is a lot of frustration & lack of confidence for a lot of players, not just these two.

IF THIS IS TRUE - it’s a good kick up the backside for them, AS WELL AS the other players in the team... but having said that, there is always chance to fix it & improve.

Kevin Dyer
31 Posted 06/11/2017 at 08:17:21
Kase #1 End to the unbalanced teams? Yeah we started 2 of our no.10s yesterday, both on the wing. Sigurdsson played 3 different positions before he was subbed. We were a mess.

Victor#7 I'm guessing this Mourinho fella you're referring to would be the one who saw no value in Lukaku, de Bruyne, Salah and kicked out back-to-back Chelsea player of the year Mata? Even this year he benched the excellent Herrera until Pogba's injury forced him to play him.

If this was a fight the club needs to issue a legit statement; this claim of "lack of effort" is the worst thing you can level at a player. No surprise those fans who dislike the players are running with it; pretty stupid imo.

For the record Mirallas, like him or not only ever kicks off when he feels he's not involved. I actually respect a player who wants to earn his wages on the field. I can't blame him tbh. Martinez dropped him then convinced him to re-sign, then didn't play him. Total mibf-fuck. He played well last season then got frozen out by Koeman. Out best player 1st half vs Leicester then hauled off at HT, inexplicably.

As for Schneiderlin he's been awful this season, mentally seems off it, no idea why. However he has played in the lower divisions, so has fight, was more than "decent" at Southampton, in fact was seen as the possible answer to Arsenal's midfield problem before United bought him. In fact he was an excellent DM, better than Wanyama imo. He's a casualty of our cack-handed approach to the season so far, not the reason for it. Quality player. That we can't seem to get the best out of him (and many others) shows a failure of management.

Mike Berry
33 Posted 06/11/2017 at 08:43:02
Geoff 6*

Spot on, and if lack of effort is true then they should be ashamed of collecting their heavy salaries, ship them out !

Jon Withey
34 Posted 06/11/2017 at 08:52:15
Flatters to deceive Schneiderlin - shame we had to make the same mistake as Utd - and for so much money !
Steve Brown
35 Posted 06/11/2017 at 08:53:47
Sell them to West Ham or West Brom the retirement homes for dross with poor attitudes.
Paul A Smith
36 Posted 06/11/2017 at 08:57:13
Gareth 30. Only the soppy fans were praising Schneiderlin.
This is usually the case in a new signings honeymoon period and hype takes over perspective.
Has Schneiderlin ever put a good away performance in?
Isn't it about time the fans of this club actually see a player achieve something before they become a god. Or at least show great potential.
Now the big dope strolls around like he owns the place.
Gana is another. 5 more years this flea is getting and again never put a performance in away from goodison but loved because of a handfull of 7/10 performances.
I want the fans to be as ruthless as the Schneiderlin Mirallas decision makers.
Michael Penley
37 Posted 06/11/2017 at 09:12:21
What happened to Schneiderlin, you ask?

Marriage happened. I have a theory that it impacts players form (not all players - Ronaldo is married after all).

Darren Murphy
39 Posted 06/11/2017 at 10:02:27
Get rid of them ASAP, both are lazy and not worth the money they're on, I'd rather play our younger talent that actually bust a gut when playing. Take Williams with you too.
Gordon Crawford
40 Posted 06/11/2017 at 10:12:14
Sam (26) pal I won’t to know who is your least favourite player??? :) Mine is definitely Morgan.
Gareth (30) I was never soppy about Morgan. Yes he has ability, but he has no heart for the cause. He is petulant and quite frankly annoying. Kevin is the same might I add.
If we could mix the dogs of war with a little bit of flair then I would be over the moon. As a club we have been soft for years.
Derek Knox
41 Posted 06/11/2017 at 10:21:36
Definitely gone up in my estimation, Mirallas could be accused of having got away with it for years; on and off he has had attitude; mostly bad, yet still picked up his inflated wages so he could run his Gold Bentley.

Schneiderlin; unlike many on here, I have never seen, or understood, why people rave about him; for me he has had one game of note; that was against City at Goodison, where we beat them 4-0. Apart from that he has been a massive let down, and a hindrance to attacking play.

Reading in the Echo article that Fat Spam is now favourite for the job with Craig Shakespeare as assistant; please, please, please no.

Leave Unsy there for the time being rather than that bent mercenary.

Gwynfor Williams
42 Posted 06/11/2017 at 10:27:37
Vlasic can go as well. Apparently him and his sister have been slagging Unsworth and the club off and supporting Koeman and wanting the No 8 shirt.
Ernie Baywood
44 Posted 06/11/2017 at 10:59:41
I think hiring Sam hot on the heels of a Panorama expose of our ownership might be an unwise bit of PR!
Liam Reilly
45 Posted 06/11/2017 at 11:00:17
Schneiderlin's probably fucked off because Koeman has exited. Lets hope Ronald gets a new job soon and comes back with his wallet to reclaim his awful purchases.

At least Mirallas shows some effort when he's on the field and takes some shots, Schneiderlin can't pass the ball forwards and spends too much time sliding into tackles, which in the modern game is foolhardy.

I still think there's a player in Schneiderlin but he needs to knuckle down and get shot of the attitude.

Michael Nisbet
47 Posted 06/11/2017 at 11:19:35
I'm not impressed with Schneiderlein at all. I don't see what he brings to the team at all. He doesn't tackle, mark, dribble, pass or shoot particularly well. Really think we look much better without him in the team. I'd be pleased if he was sold in January.
Mike Regan
48 Posted 06/11/2017 at 11:23:09
Both players are not good enough to wear the shirt. The sooner Mirallas is sold the better; he has provided absolutely nothing since he signed all them years ago. It disgusts me that he has fleeced this club for being at best almost mediocre. Hopefully Schneiderlin will do the honourably thing in January and ask for a transfer.
Bobby Mallon
49 Posted 06/11/2017 at 11:25:33
There’s a lot of folk on here talking rubbish. As if you all know sniederlin character. He’s been sent off because he is probably fed up with the likes of miralis ( who by the way most on here cried to have in the team) not bloody tracking back. For unsworth to send them home is irresponsible. We got lucky yesterday we where very poor and our kids don’t cut it yet. They are two experienced players who should have been dealt with differently. If you analyse our goals naisse fell over after Good Work, their defender walked away from the post for the second and their defender fell over for the pen. I know you need luck but that was nine lives luck. Let’s not forget true blue cleverly. Unsy does not need to start throwing his weight around with experienced pros.
Bobby Mallon
50 Posted 06/11/2017 at 11:25:38
There’s a lot of folk on here talking rubbish. As if you all know sniederlin character. He’s been sent off because he is probably fed up with the likes of miralis ( who by the way most on here cried to have in the team) not bloody tracking back. For unsworth to send them home is irresponsible. We got lucky yesterday we where very poor and our kids don’t cut it yet. They are two experienced players who should have been dealt with differently. If you analyse our goals naisse fell over after Good Work, their defender walked away from the post for the second and their defender fell over for the pen. I know you need luck but that was nine lives luck. Let’s not forget true blue cleverly. Unsy does not need to start throwing his weight around with experienced pros.
Bobby Mallon
51 Posted 06/11/2017 at 11:34:08
Kevin dyer@32 spot on mate
Tony Everan
52 Posted 06/11/2017 at 11:35:59
If they are not training properly dock their wages.A
2 weeks fine.

Give the 300 000 to make some kids somewhere happy.

That behaviour permeates through the club and the side effects are witnessed on the pitch. It is a cancer.

If they don't want to be here and are just going through the motions they should leave asap.

The club is better off without any player who is not 100% committed to Everton.

Dale Rose
53 Posted 06/11/2017 at 11:42:35
If he was so good why did Jose get rid. He hadn't been anywhere near his potential. As for the other one he is the definition of inconsistent. They both need some advice on sex and travel come January.

There is a lot of heart in this team at the moment we just need a couple of defensive players and a striker. The youngsters are doing well for us. We do need some pace and experience though.

One last comment on Oumar, a lot of players could learn a lot from you about commitment and passion. I hope we keep you for a long time.

Charlie Lloyd
54 Posted 06/11/2017 at 11:45:09
Bobby @ 50

Players need discipline and should earn there salary.

If either falls below the standards required then the manager is within his remit to punish them.

I’m more concerned about players chucking their dummies out the pram.

Nicholas Ryan
55 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:02:55
The First World War is on our minds at the moment. If you were in the trenches at Ypres, would you want Niasse and Lennon next to you, or Schneiderlin and Mirallas? No contest.

I don't think it's coincidence, that the former two work tirelessly, AND have had hard times recently; they know what it's like to hit rock bottom, and don't want to go back there.

The latter two, just think about soft pillows and Porsches.

Nicholas Ryan
56 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:05:51
By the way; can you imagine 'lack of effort' in a training session, overseen by Duncan Ferguson . talk about asking for trouble!!
James O'Connell
57 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:08:28
Sent home but still pick up their huge pay cheque. Basic wage each week and then a performance related bonus decided by panel on here.
John Wilson
58 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:22:59
Schneids has been great for us. Stop judging performances on this season. Do TW-ers just moan and grumble for the sake of moaning and grumbling. Learn to think. Look at previous evidence this current performance by Everton as a whole is circumstantial. Look it up in a dictionary.
Steve Ferns
59 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:25:17
I rate Schneiderlin also John. But he's been poor all season long. So 4/5 months of good, 3 months of bad.
Jer Kiernan
60 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:26:02
No better man.
I have felt all through this including Koeman that the attitude of some of the players has been appaling and felt we have filled the squad with the wrong "types" . Koeman is cold and unapproachable yes ,Get over it and do your job ,I can barely think of any bosses I worked with that I was enamoured by,

I am delighted to see Rhino launch this pair

Bob Skelton
62 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:30:58
John no. 58.
Where do you sit in GP?
You must sit under a rainbow wearing rose tinted glasses if you think Schneiderlin is remotely fit to play in a blue shirt.
I'll swap you for a more realistic seat in Gwladys Street or maybe your opinion is garnered from reading the S*n.
Jamie Evans
63 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:37:52
I can imagine this, ahem, fight looking just like when 2 girls had a scrap after school in the seniors.
Both grabbing hold of each other by their immaculate quiffs and basically spinning around until the teacher arrived and split them up.
The baying crowd may have seen a few scratches, possibly a kick if you were lucky, but a fight ? Give me strength.

As my Dad would say neither of these 2 could punch their way out of a wet echo.

Raymond Fox
64 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:38:42
Something must have gone on with Vlasic also.
Nothing to do with this incident, but there must be something, because he looked good to me when on the field.
Michael Penley
65 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:41:30
I heard that it was Schneids turn to bring the halftime orange slices for the game this week but he forgot, then put the blame on Kev because he said he agreed to do it in exchange for Morgs washing his gold Bentley. Then Kev said that Morg's new wife looked like a slag and that his was way more attractive, to which Schneids took exception and pulled Mirallas's goatee. Kev then lashed out and grabbed Morg by the hair after the Frenchman said Belgium wasn't even a real country and told Mirallas he had about half a dozen too many names and well, suffice it to say from that point on it wasn't pretty...
Steve Cotton
66 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:48:17
Michael very droll and possibly true.
Oliver Brunel
67 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:50:07
Kenwright has produced a club, on and off the field, full of nepotism and cliques. I singled out Mirallas ages ago as a 'coaster' along with a few others. But it may be something else we are not privy to.

I would say that the younger players are working hard. Something is rotten in the state of Everton. What of Vlasic, though, as I didn't see him as a shirker type?

Oliver Brunel
68 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:53:10
Nicholas (#56),

On the contrary, what does Ferguson actually contribute as it certainly isn't to instill a fighting, battling spirit? He's stealing a living at Everton. Down with the Ancien Regime!

Ian Hollingworth
69 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:53:22
I was a big fan of Schneiderlin when he first joined.
However since the summer he has been useless.
Mirallas, well I am not surprised, we should have got rid a few years ago, well overrated and rarely delivers.

Given the clubs predicament then getting sent home for lack of effort is unforgivable.

Get rid of the both of them in January and I hope neither ever wears the blue shirt of Everton again.

Colin Glassar
70 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:56:44
Totally agree Ian. Schneiderlin is a top, top MF player but it looks like his heart isn’t in it at Everton which is sad. Mirallas on the other hand has always come across, to me, as a talented shirker. We should’ve sold him in the summer and kept Del (Barry as well).
Craig Walker
71 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:00:28
Schneiderlin was good when he came in but he seemed to miss some big games e.g. the RS at Anfield. He had a shocker away at Spurs as well. If it's fighting amongst themselves or not training well then I don't care, the outcome should be the same and we should get shut of both of them asap. I've never liked Mirallas since the penalty debacle. Another player who thinks he's better than he is.
Craig Walker
72 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:04:37
"Schneiderlin is a top, top MF player..." Just to confirm, we are talking about Morgan Schneiderlin of Everton here aren't we? He'd be right up there with Tobias Linderoth in my ratings of midfield players at Everton.
Colin Glassar
73 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:09:02
Yes Craig. The same player who was great for Southampton and France (not so much at Man U) who’s form seems to have gone down the drain.

I’m not bothered if he goes in January but I still think there’s a very good player in there, somewhere.

Craig Walker
74 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:09:27
The Guardian reporting that Big Dunc was taking the session and he accused the pair of lacking effort and told them they should go back inside, if they weren't trying. Both of them decided to take him up on his offer and walked away. They should have their wages docked and I'd be happy to never see them in a Blue shirt again.
Brian Williams
75 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:13:23
Schneiderlin's been well below par for a good while. Slated him time and time again for his refusal to go or pass FORWARD.
Mirallas is a luxury we can't afford with a poor attitude we can do without.
While Schneiderlin's form may be temporary Mirallas's attitude isn't. Get rid of one and give the other a once only warning!
Martin Nicholls
76 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:13:56
IF they truly did make the effort to have a fight I wonder which of them won the race to throw the towel in!
Bobby Mallon
77 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:20:01
Big dunc is he only at Everton because Kenwright says so, what does he actually do.
Martin Nicholls
78 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:20:03
Nicholas#55 - good first paragraph. I've used the same on another thread about contributors to TW who openly said they had given up on supportinv EFC - same goes for those who walked out yesterday when Watford went two up.
Bobby Mallon
80 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:24:08
Going off topic but the club need to come out and announce a new manager ASAP. We have an international break with not many away and we need whoever the two weeks to work with the squad
Derek Knox
81 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:31:18
Martin, a yellow towel by any chance?

Like many have mentioned when our backs were to the wall, and they show that attitude, no warnings, get rid times two.

There have been a few allusions into the amount of ex-blues in coaching and various other positions, it does smack of the old school tie in upper echelons of business and politics, doesn't matter whether they are good enough for the post.

Familiarity breeding contempt, and complacency!

Stephen Davies
82 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:35:14
Brian 75.possibly his relationship with Rooney.they despise each other something carried over from MU

Paul Thompson
83 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:38:56
From a poster on Peoples' Forum. Not a fight (apparantely).

'This is what has happened.

Everton have a thing in place where kids who get injured while at Everton and can't play are given a fast track to get into coaching. Unsworth as part of his ethos allows these kids to take 20 minutes or so of training a day. He does this to give them a chance and its a great boost for them.

Anyway he does this on Saturday morning and rather than listen to the kids Kevin and Morgan arse about. This leads to them being split up in training into two teams. Instead of taking part kevin and morgan decide to do the soccer am 'crossbar challenge'. When pulled up on this by duncan he tells them you either respect the club or fcukoff. At this morgan tells him to stick it as does Mirallas who 'won't be told what to do by anyone'- he was like this with Moyes Martinez and Koeman. He also dumps his bib. they are then told to turn up anyway tomorrow for the game- neither does. Neither will play again for Everton.

This is all first hand. Make of it what you will but that is what happened'.

Damien McKay
84 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:57:40
I take it that both Kevin and Morgan are now in Hospital then after saying that to Big Dunc? That's the 3rd story about this incident I have heard but if its true neither should play for the Club again, not even the 23's.

Another clear out required in Jan.

Tony Everan
85 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:04:57

If true, fine them and put them up for sale , shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team.

It’s becoming clearer the dissatisfied uncommitted players are contributing to the clubs poor form.

The sooner they go the better. The team spirit will improve , so will our general play and results.

Dave O'Connell
86 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:15:24
Mirallas and Schneiderlin haven't got a fight in them. Get rid of both liabilities.
Denis Richardson
88 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:17:20
Certainly one thing's for sure, trouble in Paradise.

Like others I was chuffed when we bought Scheiderlin (thinking back to his S'ton days) and how well he previously played under RK. The guy's a shadow of the player he use to be. No idea why.

Mirallas was told he was surplus to requirements in the summer and had his head on a move which was then blocked at the last minute (probably because we failed in getting in AMs and Strikers in the summer). So I can understand why he's a bit miffed, especially when we told him he was an important squad member and only recently gave him new contract and then hardly played him. He's been pretty poorly treated imo.

Think it would probably be wise to cut our losses and sell Mirallas, Schneiderlin and Klaason in Jan, when there's a chance we may still get decent money for them. Could maybe get around £40m?

Certainly not a happy camp!

Brian Williams
89 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:18:51
If that's true, and I'm not saying it isn't, I'd simply fine them this present weeks wages and continue to fine them their weeks wages until they toe the line.
I'd then get rid of both of 'em at the earliest opportunity.
Denis Richardson
90 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:21:22
Paul '83- just read your post.

If that's the true version that's really shocking. Both should immediately be put up for sale for 1st Jan. Unfortunately, a 2 week fine is (ridiculously) the largest fine they can get.

Steve Ferns
92 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:24:28
I saw the The People's Forum explanation. It certainly fits. We're a good club giving this ex-pro's a go at coaching. The first team should warm to this and learn some humility. Some bad luck and it might be them who got the bad injury and never made it. These coaches won't be doing anything major just the warm stuff and setups.

The fact that these two Big I Am's have done this, shows just why the club is in an absolute mess. We need the first team to close ranks and to become united. They need to give it all for each other. Clearly, they don't.

The squad is swelled to take into account the EL campaign. It now needs trimming in January as it is far too big. These two should be the first out of the door.

Vlasic, there is rumours about him being told to keep his sister in line, but I don't think there's much there. Against Leicester, Unsworth wanted Mirallas and Lennon for experience. Lookman got the nod over Vlasic, and as Lookman and Unsworth know each other better, you can't really complain. It's then come down to playing without wingers (Sigurdsson and Rooney were wide forwards) and having wingers on the bench ready to play wider to change things about, which means you can only have two on the bench, Lennon and Lookman again preferred to Vlasic. Vlasic will be on the bench next time Unsworth goes with two out and out wingers, he will get his chance, he just needs to get his head down and work hard. I hope he does as the kid has talent, but if not, there's a young hungry lad like Josh Bowler or David Hennen who can come in.

Don Alexander
93 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:24:39
If the rumour about being bollocked by Duncan Ferguson for lack of commitment is true the mind boggles! That guy had a professorship in lack of commitment when he played for us and, from what I saw, every other team too.
Steve Ferns
94 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:28:10
Denis, Davy Klaassen is not a trouble maker. The lad has big talent and works hard. Be patient with him, he will come good. I think Unsworth is right to hold him back, he needs to come into the side when we have a solid defensive base and he can try to bring his one touch game to the team. With the defence at sixes and sevens, now is not the time to try to make Klaassen fit in. Meantime, you can count on him to keep his head down and train hard and force his way back in. Hopefully he can have a game in each of the coming EL games that are dead rubbers.
Denis Richardson
95 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:36:50
Steve - I wasn't implying Klaason was a trouble maker (although rereading my post it comes across like that). Just added him as he hasn't (yet) shown any signs of being able to play for us (or in the league). Admittedly, a lot of the blame is down RK and slightly DU as well as needing time to adjust.

Given the players we currently have and siege mentality we need to get us out of the shit, I'm not sure how much use he'll be this season. He's certainly not going to get any better sitting on the bench and I struggle to see where he'll play when Rooney and Sigurdsson are also around.

Think it's best to cut our losses whilst his stock is still relatively high. Also a new manager will probably want his own players and he'll need to get rid of a couple.

Steve Ferns
96 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:47:45
Keep Unsworth as manager, and we shouldn't need too many coming in. Just the necessities - Centre Back and Centre Forward. We need pace on the wings, but I would prefer to develop Lookman and Vlasic and allow Lennon to reclaim his place.
John Wilson
97 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:55:18
Non sequitur (ie something said that does not follow from what was said by another), and ad hominem (make the issue personal than making a valid point on what was stated 'a representation').

As for reading the Sun, if I know what these Latin terms mean I am very unlikely to read the Sun. As it is res ipsa loquitur ('evidence speaks for itself').

It is true to say that I am more at home reading textbooks than I am with reading papers per se, which includes not reading the Sun and or the Star; and or the Daily Mirror. I like to be aware of more than one side and then make my own mind up. I also like to read words/ ideas, concepts that are generally at least several syllables, academically speaking. However TW is not such a forum - but I can turn on a rather decent vocabulary too. I normally speak to address my audience, as it were 'I do in Rome...'

Now, can we stick to the point and or stop being personal. Thank you.

Alex Mullan
98 Posted 06/11/2017 at 15:05:22
Mirallas is like a mildly underwhelming Belgian Bendtner.

Has literally pissed away his career as a rotation player who could have been good if he wasnt such a twat. He will be remembered by absolutely nobody when he retires.

Denis Richardson
99 Posted 06/11/2017 at 15:08:40
Steve, I'd prefer a new manager myself but we'll see what happens. The win against Watford was a real boost but we were k'ing lucky. Watford should have won hands down and the injury to their 'keeper and Cleverley saved us. (Saw the pen on TV and my first instinct was it looked like he missed on purpose! Never seen someone smash it wide like that, anyway must be my paranoid mind.)

Think we need a lot than just a CB and CF. We also need a decent LB, AML and 2 Strikers. Niasse certainly has nuisance factor but surely we can expect more?

Derek Knox
100 Posted 06/11/2017 at 15:12:52
Brian @ 89, agree wholeheartedly with what you suggest, they are on immoral amounts per week in relation to what they do, or do not produce.

However, I would imagine there is a clause in their contract somewhere; which they are probably well aware of too; that to be fined, they have to have breached paragraph 7a, subsection 2, perse.

It is the only place you would think it would hurt them, then again most are millionaires; and live a Hollywood lifestyle; that we could only surmise; and unless we had a substantial lottery win, would never sample either.

Paul A Smith
101 Posted 06/11/2017 at 15:46:37
Bobby 77. What does Big Dunc do? He takes training by the sounds of it. Amazes me how people think we have staff just stood about getting paid for nothing.
Only a few weeks back there were posts asking why Ferguson looks more passionate than Koeman on the bench. Or off the bench so to speak.
Why don't all you people with the issues on ex players at the club, write a letter to Kenwright demanding he makes Unsworth do everything on his own.
Brent Stephens
102 Posted 06/11/2017 at 15:59:48
Paul #83, if true, that should be the end of both of them at GP. On your way, boys.
Brent Stephens
103 Posted 06/11/2017 at 16:03:49
The story I heard that was that as soon as things kicked off, Schneids turned away from the action.
Terry Underwood
104 Posted 06/11/2017 at 16:05:06
Make the twats stand in front of a 6 foot Everton badge, reciting "Nil satis nisi optimum" over and over again till the penny drops. Ungrateful, overpaid, underperforming c---s
John Wilson
105 Posted 06/11/2017 at 16:31:19
Nil Satis Niasse Optimum
Don Alexander
107 Posted 06/11/2017 at 16:58:42
Paul (#101), the point I and others make about the number of ex-players being given employment in coaching roles for which they had no qualifications at the time, and questionable motives in terms of serving the club's best interests rather than their own in the cases of Ferguson and Jeffers, they having reduced themselves to virtual penury after totally wasted playing careers in which they won diddly squat, is that it reeks of Kenwright surrounding himself with a coterie of yes-men whilst he peddles his "Everton-family" bollocks to the impassioned fans.

I'm not defending the actions of Mirallas or Schneiderlin but getting coached, trained or rebuked by such losers would not win my respect at a so-called Champions League chasing top club. Getting coached by the likes of Reid or Southall, straight-talking WINNERS would be a different matter, but "What?-A Chairman??!!!!" has no time for anyone not having to eat out of his hand.

Steve Ferns
108 Posted 06/11/2017 at 17:17:24
Sorry but I have to stand up for Jeffers and Ferguson here.

Ferguson I am not a fan of. I view him as a completely wasted talent. He never fulfilled his potential and I never hero-worshipped him like other blues did as I considered him to be someone who let me down, rather than a beacon in dark times. Had he stayed off the booze and fags, he would have recovered better from injury and would have had more stamina to put in sustained and better performances, and maybe been injured less. Also his reckless behaviour in getting sent off so many times was disgraceful.

I was very sceptic when he started coaching, as was Moyes. Ferguson started off working for free, and was told to stay away from Moyes and the first team and he proved to Moyes that he could be a decent coach. Martinez promoted him to the first team and kept him there, and he survived a change in management to retain his position.

I have never been coached by the guy, but the above tells me he is at least half decent as a coach. The fact that he worked a year or so unpaid, and forced huis way up to the first team, also tells me he is committed, certainly more so than as a player. Duncan has the cash, he doesn't need the money, he does what he does out of love for the club. I doubt that he would be a yes man.

Jeffers is much more in the infancy of his coaching career. Like Ferguson, the club made him work for free to cut his teeth and size him up. He was the u18s striker coach, then the u23s, and now Unsworth has trusted him with his u23 side. I think it's safe to say that Jeffers should be a half decent coach.

Of course you could say it is jobs for the boys. But isn't that what football is? Weren't we all asking for more people who know what Everton is to be involved?

I don't think it's healthy to have just all ex-Everton pros on the coaching staff, we need to have some highly rated outside coaches too. There is loads of coaching seminars run by various companies every year. This is a time for people to meet up and share ideas and techniques. At these conferences, the likes of Unsworth (in his role as Director of Coaching) should be looking out for new up and coming coaches they can bring into the Everton setup.

Chris Gordon
109 Posted 06/11/2017 at 17:34:49
And hopefully both will stay at home, best place for them considering their performances this season. Sooner Mirallas fucks off the better,he's an all-round trouble maker
Oliver Brunel
110 Posted 06/11/2017 at 17:34:52
More drama for this grubby little theatre. But in the theatre of nightmares there's only one person smiling and it isn't Farhad Moshiri. Because the pantomine villain hamming it up like in good old Coronation Street is the one and only Emperor Palpatine.
Paul A Smith
111 Posted 06/11/2017 at 17:50:02
Don 107 I am not sure they are allowed to coach without qualifications or be undertaking the qualification? I might be wrong but I remember Neville couldn't coach at United until a badge was complete. Therefore they need to train somewhere.
There seems to be a lot of hearsay on here lately.
I just care about the 11 that play and the performance I see. I find guessing about Kenwrights mortgage and anything I can't prove a complete waste of energy.
If only the same people were quick to see an average player before hes called class we could at least push on as fans.
Gordon Roberts
112 Posted 06/11/2017 at 18:18:24
Another example of Evertons media communications. I'm not aware of any official press statement by the club??
Dave Williams
113 Posted 06/11/2017 at 19:24:10
If Paul's account is true then doesn't it show why we have had problems this season? What an arrogant unpleasant pair of young men. They are paid a fortune and not only do they turn in below par performances week after week, both with a penchant for silly red cards, they then see themselves as too important to give young kids a chance with a 20 minute coaching session.
They won't be, but they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves if they have any sense of decency. I hope neither will represent the club again and we get rid asap.
Disgusting people!
Mike Berry
114 Posted 06/11/2017 at 19:50:46
when Schneiderlin arrived he looked like a rolls Royce now he looks like a clapped out 1959 mini. While Mirallas has never seemed to finish a game he starts.
Something wrong - get rid if they don't fight for the shirt
Mark Morrissey
115 Posted 06/11/2017 at 20:20:46
Pair of cocks. Sell em both.
Neil Carter
116 Posted 06/11/2017 at 21:50:31
Typical modern footballers.
About time they realised what a privilege they have playing for us.
No time for any player that won't bust a gut for us.
Always someone keen to take there places in the team/squad.
If they don't give a shit about Everton then they are a commodity to be cashed in!!
Behave like mercenaries then treat them that way.
Everton is bigger/ more important than ANY player!!!

Sean McCarthy
117 Posted 07/11/2017 at 01:42:48
Steve #108

The reason Ferguson got into coaching was to try and earn a living after losing a small fortune on property when the Spanish economy went tits up. He had heavily invested his money over there, where he was indeed living in retirement. Like anyone else forced to go back to work in order to provide for his family he turned to what he knew best: football
He did indeed start with the kids and for free to get his foot in the door and he clearly impressed enough people to be taken on full time and has worked himself up to the 1st team. I'm not sure Martinez made too much use of him but I read an article last year in which Koeman was singing his praises and rated him as an integral part of the coaching set up. I also know for fact that Kevin Sheedy is a massive fan of his coaching.
On a side note when Sheedy was recovering from bowel cancer Ferguson was the one employee of the Club that that went out of his way to visit him 2-3 times every week keeping him updated on business.
Ferguson was declared bankrupt last summer so it's not strictly true to say he doesn't need the cash he now earns. I'd also say in agreement with you that he's not there as a mascot but because of his ability as a coach irrespective of his many faults as a player.
Will he ever step up to be manager? I'm not convinced about that but you never know. What I do know is the Ferguson in his 40s is a million miles from, and a whole lot wiser than, the Ferguson in his 20s

Mike Dolan
118 Posted 11/11/2017 at 16:58:28
Mirallas is not a great player so who cares if we let him go. Schneiderlin is potentially a great player but this season he has been awful and against Lyon he just was not trying ,it was disgraceful. Send a message get rid of them both.
Ian Green
119 Posted 12/11/2017 at 03:31:33
#15 mr Smith! I couldn't agree more!

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