Report: Mirallas and Schneiderlin sent home from training

Strong management if true

I think I’m biased in that I want Unsy to be manager. And when I see or read a story such as this then I think ‘Boom, you’ll do for me’

He’s not been afraid to sub Rooney, to leave out Siggy, to blood youngsters and now to send home seniors

Roll the dice and we may keep getting what we just gotten: Koeman and Martinez and their inexplicable unbalanced teams. Try out Unsy and who knows?

I would LOVE IT if one of our own could bring us success. It would feel double the pleasure

And as for Schneiderlin. He is just fxcking useless. The signs were there for all to see when Mourinio let him go from Utd. Mourinio is no mug.

That shows strong management to chase those two from the training ground. No bad influences needed. We can manage without them. And come January .we will also finally replace Lukaku. We are bigger that any one player. That's our Everton. That's our team.

Thought Mirallas was a bit unlucky to be the player subbed at HT at Leicester. However he’s proved on numerous occasions that he’s got suspect temperament. If true that looks like the end for him too.

It’s just disrespectful to all (teammates and fans) to act this way.

This was going all round the ground before the game. Now this has come out it gives credence to the rumour.

The rumour in full is that they had a training ground fight. They were both sent home and suspended for three days from the club. This happened on Saturday.

Perhaps the fight was over Vlasic's honour.

I used to think Mirallas was an exciting player to watch but that was about 3 years ago.

When we signed Schneiderlin I thought we had a rolls-royce player and he looked to be in patches as we finished 7th. This season we've all seen and said how garbage he is.

Mirallas' misdemeanors are well documented but I was first really pissed off with Schneiderlin after his none-too-subtle whispering-fest with Lukaku after our thumping at Old Trafford.

This season so far has been a real eye-opener when it comes to judging character. A lot of these guys don't have any. After tonight, I am heartened to say that some others (you'd never have bet on) clearly do.

Still, dickheads.

Closely followed by waster Kev who hasn't been worth a wage since Moyes left.

Lennon > Mirallas.

His effort against Lyon was absolutely typical. In fact I'm pretty sure I got criticised on here last season for stating that he plays sideways, gives the ball away, and hacks people down rather than be bothered to chase them.

I'm glad to hear we've got someone around who will deal with his bullshit.

Scheindelin looked OK at Southampton, couldn't get a game at United played half a dozen decent games last season and has been a waist of space ever since.

Good riddance.!!

Lennon has impressed me since he has been brought back in by Rhino. Considering he wouldn’t have been match fit he has applied himself well, injected some much needed pace into the team and won us the game against Watford.

So get rid of KM as I’m happy that Lennon is a better player.

To think Koeman spent £100m on him Klaassen and Siggurdsson makes my blood boil!

Well done Mr. Unsworth, sir!

If approval came to Unsy from Moshiri - Goodonya' mate!

Everyone was praising Morgan last year & some said he was the signing of the season even though he was signed in Jan.

We’ve had a poor start, and Morgan hasn’t played well, but that doesn’t mean he’s a poor player... there is a lot of frustration & lack of confidence for a lot of players, not just these two.

IF THIS IS TRUE - it’s a good kick up the backside for them, AS WELL AS the other players in the team... but having said that, there is always chance to fix it & improve.

Victor#7 I'm guessing this Mourinho fella you're referring to would be the one who saw no value in Lukaku, de Bruyne, Salah and kicked out back-to-back Chelsea player of the year Mata? Even this year he benched the excellent Herrera until Pogba's injury forced him to play him.

If this was a fight the club needs to issue a legit statement; this claim of "lack of effort" is the worst thing you can level at a player. No surprise those fans who dislike the players are running with it; pretty stupid imo.

For the record Mirallas, like him or not only ever kicks off when he feels he's not involved. I actually respect a player who wants to earn his wages on the field. I can't blame him tbh. Martinez dropped him then convinced him to re-sign, then didn't play him. Total mibf-fuck. He played well last season then got frozen out by Koeman. Out best player 1st half vs Leicester then hauled off at HT, inexplicably.

As for Schneiderlin he's been awful this season, mentally seems off it, no idea why. However he has played in the lower divisions, so has fight, was more than "decent" at Southampton, in fact was seen as the possible answer to Arsenal's midfield problem before United bought him. In fact he was an excellent DM, better than Wanyama imo. He's a casualty of our cack-handed approach to the season so far, not the reason for it. Quality player. That we can't seem to get the best out of him (and many others) shows a failure of management.

Spot on, and if lack of effort is true then they should be ashamed of collecting their heavy salaries, ship them out !

Marriage happened. I have a theory that it impacts players form (not all players - Ronaldo is married after all).

Schneiderlin; unlike many on here, I have never seen, or understood, why people rave about him; for me he has had one game of note; that was against City at Goodison, where we beat them 4-0. Apart from that he has been a massive let down, and a hindrance to attacking play.

Reading in the Echo article that Fat Spam is now favourite for the job with Craig Shakespeare as assistant; please, please, please no.

Leave Unsy there for the time being rather than that bent mercenary.

At least Mirallas shows some effort when he's on the field and takes some shots, Schneiderlin can't pass the ball forwards and spends too much time sliding into tackles, which in the modern game is foolhardy.

I still think there's a player in Schneiderlin but he needs to knuckle down and get shot of the attitude.

Give the 300 000 to make some kids somewhere happy.

That behaviour permeates through the club and the side effects are witnessed on the pitch. It is a cancer.

If they don't want to be here and are just going through the motions they should leave asap.

The club is better off without any player who is not 100% committed to Everton.

There is a lot of heart in this team at the moment we just need a couple of defensive players and a striker. The youngsters are doing well for us. We do need some pace and experience though.

One last comment on Oumar, a lot of players could learn a lot from you about commitment and passion. I hope we keep you for a long time.

Players need discipline and should earn there salary.

If either falls below the standards required then the manager is within his remit to punish them.

I’m more concerned about players chucking their dummies out the pram.

I don't think it's coincidence, that the former two work tirelessly, AND have had hard times recently; they know what it's like to hit rock bottom, and don't want to go back there.

The latter two, just think about soft pillows and Porsches.

I am delighted to see Rhino launch this pair

As my Dad would say neither of these 2 could punch their way out of a wet echo.

I would say that the younger players are working hard. Something is rotten in the state of Everton. What of Vlasic, though, as I didn't see him as a shirker type?

On the contrary, what does Ferguson actually contribute as it certainly isn't to instill a fighting, battling spirit? He's stealing a living at Everton. Down with the Ancien Regime!

Given the clubs predicament then getting sent home for lack of effort is unforgivable.

Get rid of the both of them in January and I hope neither ever wears the blue shirt of Everton again.

I’m not bothered if he goes in January but I still think there’s a very good player in there, somewhere.

Like many have mentioned when our backs were to the wall, and they show that attitude, no warnings, get rid times two.

There have been a few allusions into the amount of ex-blues in coaching and various other positions, it does smack of the old school tie in upper echelons of business and politics, doesn't matter whether they are good enough for the post.

Familiarity breeding contempt, and complacency!

'This is what has happened.

Everton have a thing in place where kids who get injured while at Everton and can't play are given a fast track to get into coaching. Unsworth as part of his ethos allows these kids to take 20 minutes or so of training a day. He does this to give them a chance and its a great boost for them.

Anyway he does this on Saturday morning and rather than listen to the kids Kevin and Morgan arse about. This leads to them being split up in training into two teams. Instead of taking part kevin and morgan decide to do the soccer am 'crossbar challenge'. When pulled up on this by duncan he tells them you either respect the club or fcukoff. At this morgan tells him to stick it as does Mirallas who 'won't be told what to do by anyone'- he was like this with Moyes Martinez and Koeman. He also dumps his bib. they are then told to turn up anyway tomorrow for the game- neither does. Neither will play again for Everton.

This is all first hand. Make of it what you will but that is what happened'.

Another clear out required in Jan.

If true, fine them and put them up for sale , shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team.

It’s becoming clearer the dissatisfied uncommitted players are contributing to the clubs poor form.

The sooner they go the better. The team spirit will improve , so will our general play and results.

Like others I was chuffed when we bought Scheiderlin (thinking back to his S'ton days) and how well he previously played under RK. The guy's a shadow of the player he use to be. No idea why.

Mirallas was told he was surplus to requirements in the summer and had his head on a move which was then blocked at the last minute (probably because we failed in getting in AMs and Strikers in the summer). So I can understand why he's a bit miffed, especially when we told him he was an important squad member and only recently gave him new contract and then hardly played him. He's been pretty poorly treated imo.

Think it would probably be wise to cut our losses and sell Mirallas, Schneiderlin and Klaason in Jan, when there's a chance we may still get decent money for them. Could maybe get around £40m?

Certainly not a happy camp!

If that's the true version that's really shocking. Both should immediately be put up for sale for 1st Jan. Unfortunately, a 2 week fine is (ridiculously) the largest fine they can get.

The fact that these two Big I Am's have done this, shows just why the club is in an absolute mess. We need the first team to close ranks and to become united. They need to give it all for each other. Clearly, they don't.

The squad is swelled to take into account the EL campaign. It now needs trimming in January as it is far too big. These two should be the first out of the door.

Vlasic, there is rumours about him being told to keep his sister in line, but I don't think there's much there. Against Leicester, Unsworth wanted Mirallas and Lennon for experience. Lookman got the nod over Vlasic, and as Lookman and Unsworth know each other better, you can't really complain. It's then come down to playing without wingers (Sigurdsson and Rooney were wide forwards) and having wingers on the bench ready to play wider to change things about, which means you can only have two on the bench, Lennon and Lookman again preferred to Vlasic. Vlasic will be on the bench next time Unsworth goes with two out and out wingers, he will get his chance, he just needs to get his head down and work hard. I hope he does as the kid has talent, but if not, there's a young hungry lad like Josh Bowler or David Hennen who can come in.

Given the players we currently have and siege mentality we need to get us out of the shit, I'm not sure how much use he'll be this season. He's certainly not going to get any better sitting on the bench and I struggle to see where he'll play when Rooney and Sigurdsson are also around.

Think it's best to cut our losses whilst his stock is still relatively high. Also a new manager will probably want his own players and he'll need to get rid of a couple.

As for reading the Sun, if I know what these Latin terms mean I am very unlikely to read the Sun. As it is res ipsa loquitur ('evidence speaks for itself').

It is true to say that I am more at home reading textbooks than I am with reading papers per se, which includes not reading the Sun and or the Star; and or the Daily Mirror. I like to be aware of more than one side and then make my own mind up. I also like to read words/ ideas, concepts that are generally at least several syllables, academically speaking. However TW is not such a forum - but I can turn on a rather decent vocabulary too. I normally speak to address my audience, as it were 'I do in Rome...'

Now, can we stick to the point and or stop being personal. Thank you.

Has literally pissed away his career as a rotation player who could have been good if he wasnt such a twat. He will be remembered by absolutely nobody when he retires.

Think we need a lot than just a CB and CF. We also need a decent LB, AML and 2 Strikers. Niasse certainly has nuisance factor but surely we can expect more?

However, I would imagine there is a clause in their contract somewhere; which they are probably well aware of too; that to be fined, they have to have breached paragraph 7a, subsection 2, perse.

It is the only place you would think it would hurt them, then again most are millionaires; and live a Hollywood lifestyle; that we could only surmise; and unless we had a substantial lottery win, would never sample either.

I'm not defending the actions of Mirallas or Schneiderlin but getting coached, trained or rebuked by such losers would not win my respect at a so-called Champions League chasing top club. Getting coached by the likes of Reid or Southall, straight-talking WINNERS would be a different matter, but "What?-A Chairman??!!!!" has no time for anyone not having to eat out of his hand.

Ferguson I am not a fan of. I view him as a completely wasted talent. He never fulfilled his potential and I never hero-worshipped him like other blues did as I considered him to be someone who let me down, rather than a beacon in dark times. Had he stayed off the booze and fags, he would have recovered better from injury and would have had more stamina to put in sustained and better performances, and maybe been injured less. Also his reckless behaviour in getting sent off so many times was disgraceful.

I was very sceptic when he started coaching, as was Moyes. Ferguson started off working for free, and was told to stay away from Moyes and the first team and he proved to Moyes that he could be a decent coach. Martinez promoted him to the first team and kept him there, and he survived a change in management to retain his position.

I have never been coached by the guy, but the above tells me he is at least half decent as a coach. The fact that he worked a year or so unpaid, and forced huis way up to the first team, also tells me he is committed, certainly more so than as a player. Duncan has the cash, he doesn't need the money, he does what he does out of love for the club. I doubt that he would be a yes man.

Jeffers is much more in the infancy of his coaching career. Like Ferguson, the club made him work for free to cut his teeth and size him up. He was the u18s striker coach, then the u23s, and now Unsworth has trusted him with his u23 side. I think it's safe to say that Jeffers should be a half decent coach.

Of course you could say it is jobs for the boys. But isn't that what football is? Weren't we all asking for more people who know what Everton is to be involved?

I don't think it's healthy to have just all ex-Everton pros on the coaching staff, we need to have some highly rated outside coaches too. There is loads of coaching seminars run by various companies every year. This is a time for people to meet up and share ideas and techniques. At these conferences, the likes of Unsworth (in his role as Director of Coaching) should be looking out for new up and coming coaches they can bring into the Everton setup.

The reason Ferguson got into coaching was to try and earn a living after losing a small fortune on property when the Spanish economy went tits up. He had heavily invested his money over there, where he was indeed living in retirement. Like anyone else forced to go back to work in order to provide for his family he turned to what he knew best: football
He did indeed start with the kids and for free to get his foot in the door and he clearly impressed enough people to be taken on full time and has worked himself up to the 1st team. I'm not sure Martinez made too much use of him but I read an article last year in which Koeman was singing his praises and rated him as an integral part of the coaching set up. I also know for fact that Kevin Sheedy is a massive fan of his coaching.
On a side note when Sheedy was recovering from bowel cancer Ferguson was the one employee of the Club that that went out of his way to visit him 2-3 times every week keeping him updated on business.
Ferguson was declared bankrupt last summer so it's not strictly true to say he doesn't need the cash he now earns. I'd also say in agreement with you that he's not there as a mascot but because of his ability as a coach irrespective of his many faults as a player.
Will he ever step up to be manager? I'm not convinced about that but you never know. What I do know is the Ferguson in his 40s is a million miles from, and a whole lot wiser than, the Ferguson in his 20s