Morgan Schneiderlin has looked more like the player he was at the start of the year over the last match and a half but will he start?
Everton return to Goodison Park following a brace of away games that yielded four points from six to play two home fixtures that present an opportunity to keep closing the gap on the top seven.
Three wins and a draw in the League since that dismal 4-1 reverse at Southampton have vaulted the Blues away from relegation danger and into the top half where they sit level on points with Watford and nine points off fourth place.
Now, with the team looking upwards rather than over their collective shoulder and first bottom club Swansea City then a fallible Chelsea team coming to Goodison Park before Christmas, manager Sam Allardcye is eyeing further improvement.
“The credit goes to the players who've achieved so much in a short period of time,” he said in his pre-match press conference. “10 points from 12 is a miraculous recovery from them.
“It's put the club in a very stable position that allows me to perhaps think a little bigger than when I first came in, to think more about sustaining our position in the top half, to think about improving the players because their confidence is greater, and taking each game as it comes and trying to get as many results as we can.
“The club's had a difficult spell and hopefully we can continue to get through this difficult spell. [The recent run of results] has given us some breathing space but not stopped us from being as ambitious as we possibly can.”
In view of Everton's improved position in the table and the feeling that the club is getting close to being back on track in terms of its European aspirations, the focus will increasingly be on how the team plays under Allardyce given that he has implemented a very back-to-basics approach since taking charge.
That has firmed up what was one of the softest defences in the Premier League but has come at the expense of genuine entertainment going forward, particularly away from home in the Merseyside derby and at Newcastle in midweek.
It may be too early for radical change in that respect but there was a noticeable attempt to keep the ball against the Magpies in the Blues' 1-0 win which was aided by what was arguably Morgan Schneiderlin's best performance of the season.
The Frenchman has been curiously and frustratingly poor this season and lost his place in the side amid a dreadful run of results for Everton and suggestions that he lacked focus and discipline. Since coming on at half time against Liverpool last Sunday, the £20m acquisition from Manchester United has looked more like the composed central midfielder he was when he first arrived almost a year ago.
That will likely see him keep his place alongside Idrissa Gueye for the time being, despite many supporters' misgivings about playing two holding midfielders, particularly at home.
Assuming he plays, Schneiderlin's selection would likely be at the expense of Tom Davies while Wayne Rooney continues in his more withdrawn role playing off the improving Gylfi Sigurdsson and behind Dominic Calvert-Lewin. The young striker has earned his stripes leading the line and will probably be preferred to Oumar Niasse again should Allardyce only opt for one striker.
Swansea, of course, come to Goodison on a poor run of form that has seen them sink to the bottom of the table. Just one away win all season so far and one victory since mid-October has brought the Welsh club's top-flight future into sharp focus and highlighted just how important Sigurdsson and Fernando Llorente were in keeping them up last season.
Despite that, there are no easy games in the Premier League, a fact that Allardyce knows all too well and he has been cautioning his players against assuming the points are theirs for the taking.
“I'm not expecting any complacency,” he said. “That's been my big word to the players — that [Swansea] this will not be an easy task [so] don't slip up in against a side that everybody expects you to beat.
“You'll only get the opportunity to beat them if you play 100% to your level which is what we've had to do over last the four games we've played.”
Kick-off: 8pm, Monday, 18 December, 2017
Referee: Jonathan Moss
Last Time: Everton 1 - 1 Swansea City
Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Kenny, Holgate, Williams, Martina, Gueye, Schneiderlin, Rooney, Lennon, Sigurdsson, Calvert-Lewin
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1 Posted 17/12/2017 at 07:22:10
But, on the other hand, this is the first of 5 games in about 15 days. At some point there will have to be some rotation and perhaps this is as good a game as any?
There could be arguments to start Niasse, who has kept us afloat at times. Or Lookman or Vlasic, both of whom have had good moments. I'm thinking of another option though. Call it morbid curiosity but I'd like to see how Klaassen and Sandro do in a more confident and settled team. They are two players who were excellent last season for their old clubs and personally I'd like to see some more of them before we potentially ship them out in January.
So even though it would be an improbable (and possibly unpopular) lineup I'd quite like to see:
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
Klaassen Schneiderlin Rooney
Sandro Calvert-Lewin Sigurdsson
2 Posted 17/12/2017 at 07:41:29
I believe we will get all 3 points. Is it asking too much to see it done with a bit of style?
3 Posted 17/12/2017 at 08:21:23
On paper we should beat Swansea and I think we will, how we do it I don't care! Games are not played on paper though, I thought Leicester at 10/11 was a great bet to beat Palace on Saturday and they lose 0-3! Certainties get beat on a regular basis so I'm not counting my chickens just yet.
Team wise I'd go with the same players. Lennon is a much under rated cog in the team and he'd be a starter for me in most games.
4 Posted 17/12/2017 at 08:27:01
5 Posted 17/12/2017 at 08:39:43
6 Posted 17/12/2017 at 09:11:53
Idrissa is one yellow away from a suspension so I expect him to be rested for the Chelsea game. I would personally choose Klaassen to start, but I expect Davies to do so. I'd give Calvert-Lewin a rest too & I'd give Vlasic a well deserved start, ahead of Lennon for this one.
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
Klaassen Schneiderlin Rooney
Subs: Robles, Jagielka, Keane, Baningime, Davies, Lookman, Sandro.
I'd take Rooney & Sigurdsson off after 60-70 mins, and I'd like to see Baningime or Davies, Lookman and Sandro to get some game time situation dependent.
This is assuming Sandro is fit. If not, then maybe Bolasie for the last 20-odd minutes would be great for him personally & the team as a whole.
7 Posted 17/12/2017 at 09:22:24
We are not out of the woods so I don't see any experimentation happening. Stick to the successful formula.
However, I think this starting line-up can improve further. I would like to see us playing with more ‘zip', passing the ball forward faster, getting some quality crosses in to Calvert-Lewin. I would enjoy seeing him get 1 or 2 on Monday, and not having to play with his back to goal so much.
With Lookman, Vlasic, and Niasse, we have plenty of impact from the bench if we need it .
8 Posted 17/12/2017 at 09:34:24
I reckon we'll finish 8th this season, although possibly 7th if we sign a striker in January and Burnley fall away.
Aside from that, it'll be interesting to see how we play against Swansea, given that we've played away games recently will we play it on the deck a bit more and try to keep the ball better at home? I certainly hope so, but if we win 1-0 every week that'll do!
9 Posted 17/12/2017 at 09:41:47
I'd go for them with pace on the wings, and play on the front foot instead of sitting back and countering like our recent games.
10 Posted 17/12/2017 at 09:53:39
Complacency should be the watch-word, don't think Sam would let them be, not entirely happy with Schneiderlin or Martina in the side, but we'll see if that is the actual line-up.
Swansea will be fighting for their Premier League existence, even at this early stage, so should be treated with respect accordingly.
It will be an emotional game for Sigurdsson, having spent a few seasons with them, and being their talisman, leading goalscorer and dead-ball specialist.
11 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:01:13
Little bit off thread but apparently Klippety has told Daniel Sturridge he can leave if he wants to pursue game time to be considered for England.
He's a quality player and I would personally have him here in a heartbeat. If you could keep him injury free, then he would be a fantastic addition.
12 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:16:25
13 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:16:46
I get that the end can sometimes justify the means, I can accept a team playing an odd cagey game when in pursuit of glory or trying to avoid disaster... but negative percentage, hoofball, zombie football can never ever be justified when used for the pursuit of 7th place
Football is an unrehearsed live entertainment! Because it is unrehearsed, entertainment cannot always be guaranteed... but the attempt to entertain should be a given. People pay a huge percentage of their hard earned to see people do things they can't themselves.
We have now gone beyond accepting mediocrity on here, Many are condoning it. We have even got people actively calling for praise of it.
I don't care who the manager is. I will never accept/condone one who shirks his responsibility to football lovers by playing the percentages. I certainly wont be praising him. Not today. Not ever.
Allardyce has a clear choice to make; I seriously hope he isn't listening to those who don't care how we get our results.
14 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:22:12
I get your point, but in today's game you'll find that managers, pundits, boards don't really give a shit about style it's all about being in the Premier League where the money rains down, and although your sentiment is correct, at the end of the day it's business, and business is all about results.
15 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:25:35
Anyone else heard a six-month loan deal from January is done for Kevin Gamerio of Seville?
16 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:31:05
Seems like a decent deal to me, although I know very little about Gameiro, he can't be any worse than Sandro.
17 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:33:19
18 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:36:11
Totally agree. Football is about entertainment and the joy of seeing your team play as best they can. Especially at home. I'd like to see more of Vlasic. He's an exciting player. Sandro too when there's more chance of him getting some service.
19 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:42:26
We need to consolidate the good start under Sam by continuing to keep it tight defensively, relax on the ball and open up if we get ourselves in front. We all want to see fast attractive football, hopefully that will come.
We are only a few weeks away from the worse series of games defensive set up wise I can remember at Everton.
20 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:46:47
The rest of this season should be about who we have got that are good enough with commitment and ability to be at the club. We cannot afford to relax we need the intensity Man City display.
21 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:46:50
If anyone thinks that Swansea will roll over and be brushed aside think again! We have had some good results but have not been playing all that well. As someone said there have been surprise results any lack of focus on Swansea will see us slip.
Talk Chelsea after this battle.
22 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:49:39
I would guess that the players are now more confident but that such confidence is a little fragile we're not completely out of the woods yet and maybe shouldn't be trying to run before we can walk.
I'm for maintaining a relatively pragmatic approach over the coming few weeks and if all goes well (and we improve squad options in January) slowly moving to a more expansive and entertaining style.
23 Posted 17/12/2017 at 10:50:48
24 Posted 17/12/2017 at 11:01:29
25 Posted 17/12/2017 at 11:05:28
To quickly get to the levels we aspire to we'd need the sort of hideously expensive players the great footballing sides routinely sign by the bucket-load and that ain't gonna happen under Moshiri alone as far as I can see. I cling on to the hope that Allardyce can somehow as a managerial swansong astound us and the whole of the football world by conjuring expansive winning football within his strangely limiting 18-month contract.
As ever, I suspect the board/owner may have inadvertently shot us in the foot in terms of showcasing us to talented players elsewhere by this peculiarly short contract. Maybe there's an unwritten arrangement where he'll be offered an extension based on performance but in the meantime players may be entitled to ponder who they'd be playing under by the end of next season?
That said, the Allardyce-of-old on a 3- or 4-year deal would have given me the willies too!
Tomorrow I'll be happy with a win, however it's achieved. To make any progress at all towards expansive football I think we really need a few signings, and a few more outgoings, in January notwithstanding the recovery from injury of Seamus, Yannick and Ramiro.
26 Posted 17/12/2017 at 11:28:03
Swansea, could be anything, but they remind me of Everton, before Allardyce came. I'm surprised that Clement is still in a job, because great coaches don't necessarily make good managers, and it looks to me that is what Swansea have been lacking.
They seem to lack management, and are way too passive for a team at the bottom, let's hope that doesn't change tomorrow.
27 Posted 17/12/2017 at 11:54:30
If you take a look at some of the results we've recently achieved and then look at the results of some of the teams we've achieved those results against it puts things in perspective IMO.
We battered West Ham (with a bit of luck I know) but look at their recent results. We beat Newcastle away when Arsenal didn't exactly breeze past em at the Emirates yesterday.
We didn't play expansive stylish football in the earlier parts of the season and were getting trounced, we're still not doing that but we're getting results. That's called progress, and it's naive in the extreme to think we'll go from The Dog and Duck second eleven to Man City in the space of four games.
Hopefully we will play like all of us want to play but it's not going to happen within a few weeks. There has to be an acceptance, not of mediocrity, but of reality.
We should all continue to dream but realize that for the time being that that's what we're doing. I for one am prepared to show patience because my memory's not that short that I can't remember the feeling of dread I was enduring just a few weekends ago.
I'm going to tomorrow's game hoping for a good win played with stylish attacking football. Again, I'd like to stress I do not accept mediocrity and never will but sometimes that's what I'll get and, without turning my back on Everton completely or getting the manager's job, there's not too much I can do but hope for a return to much better days.
28 Posted 17/12/2017 at 12:18:01
Anyway, Koeman's football was dire and Martinez too leaky so Sam doesn't exactly have a tough act to follow.
The manager can't lecture complacency if he plays Klaassen tomorrow unless he has seen some improvement in training then the guy is still a passenger in the Premier League.
Vlasic has the potential to do more damage though so I'd like to see him get more minutes.
If we need to rest somebody it might be Calvert-Lewin! Poor kid has been putting a shift in for a while let Niasse tire them out then put him on.
I'd be delighted with an unremarkable 1-0 and a confident squad ready for Chelsea.
29 Posted 17/12/2017 at 12:20:59
Seeing as you mentioned style and Man City, what an absolute treat to watch them. You can't fail to be impressed with the quality of football they play and huge congratulations to Guardiola.
Yes, people will say well anyone could have managed Barcelona, and lets be honest he could have took the easy option and stayed. But he didn't he went to Bayern and then onto Man City, and proved his brand of football works in any country. Also can't be a coincidence that the most consecutive wins in Germany and Spain and England are all teams managed by Guardiola.
He never parks the bus as some other top managers, and always improves all of his players, which is the true test of a manager. I wish we had the money to attract him but maybe might be worth in a year or two of working under Pep's tutelage that we bring Arteta back in some role.
30 Posted 17/12/2017 at 12:29:22
A very different test from the last couple of games. We'll have to force the play while keeping defensively organised exactly the problem we have had for most of the season.
Big call for Sam whether he's prepared to possibly expose this defence in search of goals or just stick to the same plan and hope we have enough quality to pinch one or two.
31 Posted 17/12/2017 at 12:33:23
32 Posted 17/12/2017 at 12:41:52
But it still won't be his fault in 6 months. Or 12 months. You don't hire Allardyce because you have an expectation of entertaining or playing anything approaching decent football. You might get it, but it's certainly not what you're trying to do.
So, if we're still playing dull stuff in 12 months, it will be Moshiri's fault.
33 Posted 17/12/2017 at 12:44:35
Brian, I said to my son after watching Man City (again) last night, "I'll never normally give too much credit, or actually clap and react to a goal from anyone other than Everton but the football City play is a joy to watch."
Kevin De Bruyne received a ball in the centre circle with his back to City's left side of the pitch and he turned and sent a ball out to their left winger without even looking. The ball landed a yard in front of the winger who didn't even have to break stride. Brilliant, brilliant football.
Having said that, when they come to Goodison.... Fuck 'em!
34 Posted 17/12/2017 at 12:46:23
So under Koeman this season, did anybody want entertaining football? I can't remember anybody complaining about a lack of entertainment when we were losing games and drifting towards the relegation zone. Surely, in that context, winning was the be-all and end-all (else we could have still been facing a debate about entertainment versus points but in the Championship).
Sam has come in and points have taken precedence over entertainment. Rightly so in my view. And the satisfaction and praise has come not for any entertainment but for the points. Don't misrepresent what the satisfaction is about.
As we march up the table, so we can look for more entertainment. But credit where credit is due in terms of the number of games now going our way.
35 Posted 17/12/2017 at 12:49:46
You win ugly.
You win playing good football.
You're an absolute joy to watch.
In that order.
36 Posted 17/12/2017 at 12:54:23
37 Posted 17/12/2017 at 12:54:30
As soon as I seen the incident that was the first thing that entered my mind. Why hasn't there been a media outrage like there was for Niasse? And they wonder why we're paranoid!
38 Posted 17/12/2017 at 13:18:54
Witch hunt mark my words!
39 Posted 17/12/2017 at 13:22:32
40 Posted 17/12/2017 at 13:28:34
I would hope we establish a few more points on board before we start clamouring for a more open and attacking game, that will come the more confident the team get.
Darren Hind, I and loads of other Everton fans understand what you are saying and we want the same as you, but unlike you we think the threat of relegation not so long ago was very very real. In fact, Darren, it hasn't gone away completely.
41 Posted 17/12/2017 at 13:30:21
One or two seem to think that people with a similar outlook to yours and mine, are considering the present situation acceptable. As far as I'm concerned, nothing could be further from the truth; there is no doubt that although we have improved our position in the last 3 or 4 games' but points are still of paramount importance.
I posted on a thread recently that having played (in my youth) and watched football long enough, I believe that I understand the philosophy of the supporter, and that is, 'He wants his team to play entertaining football and to win, but if his team can't provide him with the entertainment, he will settle for the win'.
I have yet to meet the supporter who would sacrifice three points to watch some exhibition-style performance.
42 Posted 17/12/2017 at 13:31:41
While I would not change the team tomorrow night, I am far from convinced that Schneiderlin is about to prove his worth. I hope I am wrong because we desperately need players costing £25m to come good but at Newcastle we saw him concede possession just outside the box and make one wild challenge which missed ball and man completely.
His lack of pace usually means he arrives too late to make risk free tackles. Otherwise his game was generally the usual mix of sideways and backwards passing which is acceptable away from home when the team is protecting a narrow lead but not what will be required tomorrow night.
43 Posted 17/12/2017 at 13:32:20
Where I might change things is giving Gueye a break for the Chelsea game and play one defensive midfielder; hate to say it but Schneiderlin, maybe he is seeing a bit of form after Newcastle.
If we do go with one defensive midfielder I'd play Vlasic or Lookman to allow Sigurdsson to come into a more central position with Rooney. I think Sigurdsson is more comfortable inside rather than out wide.
Regarding results over performances, right now it's results. As we have mentioned before West Ham under Moyes and Palace under Woy were always going to tighten up and get points on the board.
Martin (#22) and Brian (#27) agree completely.
We seem to be blaming Allardyce for the shit position he found us in and expect him to transform our playing style after a few games. This is going to be more a marathon than a sprint to get where we want to be.
Martinez played an open forget defending game and people wanted him out as they could see what was happening. Koeman had us getting beat by everyone and again people could see where it was leading. All of a sudden, Allardyce comes in and people want instant change. Strange. Last time I can remember consistent attacking-minded footy was under Kendall.
44 Posted 17/12/2017 at 13:47:26
Perfectly put, mate.
45 Posted 17/12/2017 at 13:51:15
I would suggest that those players are rather thin on the ground and now cost large amounts of money. It's the reason why the top 6 clubs are usually the top 6, they can attract and afford that quality of player.
If your squad is playing teams who are of better quality, a good manager will attempt to win any way he can.
In the match tomorrow, I agree we should be more on the front foot, and push for a win; after all, it should be seen as a banker for us.
46 Posted 17/12/2017 at 14:06:59
Eight points off 4th if we win. Its nice, even if ill-advised, to be looking up again.
47 Posted 17/12/2017 at 14:09:33
Entertainment also comes with drama and winning against odds some love a good safe 1-0, some like to Martinez things up and win or lose 4-3 or 3-4. Different strokes and folks as they say - Most of us are more Duncan McKenzie than Gordon Lee :-0)
At the moment we are still stabilizing, This is not Sam Allardyce's team/squad, he will need two or three transfer windows for that. However, this is his coaching team, man management, his selections and his tactical decisions etc it is a judgement call to keep it stable and for players to learn their positions, teamwork and build combinations. Going all change even for Swansea at home will put a spanner in the works for the evolution of the team cohesion and confidence.
It is a judgement call when to change things up and build from a solid base to more keep ball flowing football. I think we will see progress towards this but more 5% than 30% on Monday evening.
Sam in his pre-match interview has said that he will only change a winning team for suspensions, injuries or fatigue so expect similar with any creative changes coming with the subs. Lyndon's line-up is most likely then.
Let's wait and see... however, one word of caution is that Bony is progressing back to his old self and with Tammy Abraham they can go two up top at anytime on Monday and we would be under pressure. Williams has improved but his lack of mobility and the potential of breaking fast football from Swansea may open up weaknesses being covered by all of the team keeping shape in other games.
49 Posted 17/12/2017 at 14:34:50
Okay, everyone's delighted that we've kept 3 clean sheets out of 4 (no-one more than me), but I've got a recording of the Newcastle game and if anyone wants to watch it with me (I'll supply the beverages) and concentrate on Schneiderlin. And you'll see him bottling out of tackles a la the Burnley & Arsenal goals, players running pass him and him failing to get goalside, and a Barcode running 30 yards and unleashing a shot that hit the post with not a defensive midfielder within 20 yards of him.
The two of them together doesn't work! I'd play 4-3-3, same back 4, midfield of Gana, Rooney & Sigurdsson, upfront Lennon, Calvert-Lewin & Lookman/Vlasic.
50 Posted 17/12/2017 at 14:41:54
51 Posted 17/12/2017 at 14:42:56
Any manager immediately has to work with the squad he inherits, whenever that may be in the year. Over time, new players arrive; existing players leave. That's the case whoever the manager is.
Sam Allardyce inherited an unholy mess. In less than a single handful of games 4 that he has been directly responsible for since his appointment, Sam has made a pretty decent fist of things, especially when compared on what went on this season before he arrived.
That'll do for me. For now...
52 Posted 17/12/2017 at 14:49:37
I know you wanted David Unsworth to be given longer and no-one knows how he would have coped had he been given more time, but Allardyce has come in and there has been a definite improvement in defending, even if we have played poor teams. Let's see if he can improve the whole game of the team,
You will agree he's had very little time up to now and I wouldn't be betting even if you don't like Sam you will give the thumbs up to Sammy.
53 Posted 17/12/2017 at 15:11:01
All the people saying we've still got to be careful, it's Swansea, for god's sake. If he can't pick an attacking team and still beat these, we're in for a long drab season.
54 Posted 17/12/2017 at 15:14:14
We were conceding goals and we had been for some time, but we also scored 10 in Rhino's last four Premier League games and despite the horrendous circumstances we gained 7 points from 5 games. That is nowhere near relegation form.
That's all academic now. Unsworth didn't get the gig so we talk about here and now.
All I'm saying is, I don't believe we are in a relegation battle so I won't accept it as a reason for not trying to play the beautiful game.
Btw Dave, I have no problem whatsoever with Sammy Lee being here. I have had the good fortune of meeting him and seeing his enthusiasm and reading of the game from close range. He'll certainly do for me.
57 Posted 17/12/2017 at 15:29:12
Sam has got this.
59 Posted 17/12/2017 at 15:44:12
The reason is that we're in the very early stages of recovery from playing some of the worst football I've seen from an Everton team in a long time. We're just recovering from being absolutely shite!
That's why we can't be "Man City Lite" yet, even against Swansea I'm afraid. The proof, if you needed it, was the performances prior to the last four/five games.
I've sat in that top balcony filled with despair and close to tears on too many occasions this season. Why would those same players "suddenly" turn into world beaters? They wouldn't / won't.
It takes time, and it'll take some new players IMO. The recovery's fragile, believe me, and anyone who thinks we're actually able to turn up and turn over Swansea while doing a Monday night impersonation of Barca is way off the mark, IMHO.
60 Posted 17/12/2017 at 15:45:12
The records will forever show that Rhino took us out of the drop zone five points clear and out of harm's way. Nobody can take that from him. But that's not the point.
Hopefully Sam will build on that and we won't go south again; I just hope he does it playing better stuff than we have seen so far this season.
Why do people always go from one extreme to the other? Why does it have to be a Monday night version of Barca?? Who comes even close to suggesting something like that? We can't reach Barca standards so anyone expecting an attempt to entertain is missing the point?
The way we play matters to an awful lot of people.
61 Posted 17/12/2017 at 16:04:12
Entertaining, open, expressive, football comes with confidence. It will come (I hope) but I don't expect it just yet.
The way we play matters to me too but the reason we don't play the way I / you / we want to is that "at this present time" we can't. Otherwise, we would... wouldn't we?
62 Posted 17/12/2017 at 16:13:55
Unsy set the team up to play "the Everton Way" (his words) and got twatted from pillar to post.
63 Posted 17/12/2017 at 16:17:43
My eyes are still recovering from last week, and some of the shite Koeman's teams served up was horrific. It doesn't have to be Barca-esque, just value for money. The alehouse tripe we witnessed last weekend against Liverpool should never be acceptable, not when we consider the money we've thrown away.
To listen to some, misplaced passes, hoofs to nowhere, not showing for the ball are all acceptable from players earning millions. Behave!!!
64 Posted 17/12/2017 at 16:25:25
65 Posted 17/12/2017 at 16:32:53
But the lads in the park can find a team mate with a pass, pissed of their heads at 10am in the morning!
66 Posted 17/12/2017 at 16:39:03
John # 62 "Unsy set the team up to play "the Everton Way" (his words) and got twatted from pillar to post".
And that's why #61 makes sense.
67 Posted 17/12/2017 at 16:45:01
Palace and West Ham are in a far worse state than us and are both currently playing a far more entertaining brand of football than we are. Neither side cost anywhere near as much as ours.
You need courage to play football. The will to do it and courage. Let's give Sam his chance to get his coat off and we'll see how his team play in the New Year.
68 Posted 17/12/2017 at 16:55:14
Am I happy with our style of play? Am I fuck! Will I suffer it? Yes, at the moment... but for how long before I show my discontent? Soon. But if we won the league playing as we are, so be it, but that ain't happening.
Let's face facts: if we hadn't got the results we have, we'd all be up in arms and I should imagine many will be when we suffer our first defeat under Sam Allardyce.
Yes, I'm fickle.
69 Posted 17/12/2017 at 16:56:05
Sam will play same team that won at Newcastle, except for Gueye, who will be replaced by Davies. For me, I would pick Besic instead to see if he's up to it.
72 Posted 17/12/2017 at 17:07:05
Davies and Klaassen ahead of Besic for me.
I am not expecting a 5-goal demolition of the Swans tomorrow but would like to see a bit more attacking entertaining football please.
I would settle for a 1-0 and up to 9th at the moment.
73 Posted 17/12/2017 at 17:15:18
The records will also show the gratitude the club had for the amazing job Rhino did by replacing him with Sam Allardyce.
Not forgetting a certain Mr Royle left the club not long after Rhino went back to the Under-23 level.
You also contradict yourself in saying that you thought Everton weren't in a relegation battle, only to then praise Rhino for steering us clear of relegation!?
You call people out for speaking out against Unsy but you do the exact opposite yourself in speaking for him!
74 Posted 17/12/2017 at 17:17:11
I was more than happy to see Unsworth get a run of games but we were abysmal and getting worse until the West Ham game. I certainly don't think it was a coincidence that everyone raised their game in the knowledge that their new manager was sitting in the crowd.
Calvert-Lewin confirmed this was the case in an interview in the Echo: "I was just looking in the West Ham game, where he was watching, to put in a performance, to get myself in his starting eleven."
It's fair to suggest that all of the players were looking to impress their new manager. Defensively, they were still shaky against West Ham and the improvement in that area since that game is obvious to everyone.
I like Unsworth and will give him credit where it's due, but I don't think he was responsible for our improvement.
But it really is time to move on and get behind Sam.
75 Posted 17/12/2017 at 17:34:00
The rest is conjecture.
76 Posted 17/12/2017 at 17:50:59
Yes all my sons are Blues of the American adopted variety.
Insofar as tying a knot in it, I do two things well in life drink and procreate.
Making the world a bluer place, Paul.
78 Posted 17/12/2017 at 17:53:47
Picking up priceless points recently has been more a load of luck more than any improvement in the team's performances and the generalship of Wayne Rooney.
Defensively they can still be a shambles at times but they have been getting away with it.
After today they have 3 tough games on paper and they need an impressive display today to perhaps get them in the right frame of mind for these games.
79 Posted 17/12/2017 at 18:10:37
We'd all be happy with that!
80 Posted 17/12/2017 at 18:20:22
We have heard the same shit from you about the West Ham game, the Unsworth factor and the Allardyce factor, till we're Blue in the face and apoplectic over your nonsense.
No-one's gonna change their minds (especially you), no matter what 'evidence' is put in front of them. Stop conflating fact with biased opinion, and please move on to something else!
81 Posted 17/12/2017 at 18:23:10
Drink more, procreate less. It's cheaper!!
82 Posted 17/12/2017 at 18:24:59
When Unsworth took over we were in 18th, with 8 points, equal on points with Swansea in 15th. His last match before Allardyce was being announced as manager, when he was in the Directors box, was a 4-1 loss to Southampton. That left Everton 16th in the table with 12 points, 2 points clear of West Ham in 18th.
Yes the players would absolutely have a reaction knowing that the next manager is watching them. Yes there is a clear difference in that scenario opposed to how they would perform for the previous manager that they know is going to be sacked. And that is different from how they would perform for a caretaker manager that has never been a senior manager and will not be getting the position on a permanent basis.
So before Allardyce was being named, Usnworth got us 4 points. We were 2 points clear of the drop as opposed to being even with two other clubs in the drop zone when he took over.
83 Posted 17/12/2017 at 18:27:30
Allardyce is no magician, he just simplifies the game and talks/listens to his players - he's famously a very very good man-manager, something Koeman is not (at all) and that's made a huge difference in a short space of time.
1. Stop conceding goals.
2. Improve results.
3. Adapt the playing style to suit the opposition.
4. Buy a striker.
5. Play more attractive football.
I would say that's about the size of it for Sam Allardyce, and so far he's on track.
85 Posted 17/12/2017 at 18:40:42
I still want to see Klaassen given a chance in that role that Gana occupies when partnered with Schneiderlin. Klaassen is a willing worker. I would also prefer to not have Lennon continuing to start. Hes just far too limited. Vlasic or Lookman, give them a consistent run in that role and lets see how it works.
86 Posted 17/12/2017 at 18:46:10
Rhino is a great man. But he didn't steady the ship after Koeman. We lost five games out of seven under him before we appointed a replacement. Can we move on now?
87 Posted 17/12/2017 at 18:48:56
It is far from a solid eleven as yet so without too much chopping and changing keep them simple.
Keane back in for Williams and Baines in for Martina.
Vlasic in for Lennon and a ''fit'' Macca in for Gana.
Lenon has experience and hasn't done badly but isn't the answer and Vlasic offers more going forward.
88 Posted 17/12/2017 at 19:00:53
As regards Lennon, when played he has done a solid job not just in attack but more importantly defensively. Pity we don't have another Lennon type player to cover on the other side.
I would think once we are free of the bottom scramble we can play Vlasic and Lookman operating in a mostly attacking role.
90 Posted 17/12/2017 at 19:10:50
A keeper, four defenders and a holding midfielder should be sufficient to handle most attacks. If the other side slowly builds up an attack then obviously the other midfielders will be back to help. But primarily, I want my midfielders to be attacking threats. I want the opposition to be more worried about my attack. I thought the same thing when so many would be calling for Baines to be moved to a winger. He was a good attacking fullback, but would have been poor as a midfielder.
92 Posted 17/12/2017 at 19:18:10
As regards Allardyce, you can only take them as you find them, Darren, and him and his crew haven't put a foot wrong. They all have great experience and, on what I have seen so far, they will do for me.
Man City at the moment are playing wonderful winning football; great, that's what Pep wants to see, that's what we all like to see.
The problem for any manager of ours is that he will have a squad that invariably will be inferior in ability to six or, if he's extremely lucky, four of the opposing teams in the League! That's subjective of course but I think fair.
Any good manager, if he's also lucky to have the players to do so, will change the way we play according to the opposition we are facing; at least he should do. Sam and his oppos have only been here two minutes and so it's much too soon to judge how he's going to shape the club.
All I can say is that we appear to be in safe hands in the on-field management side of things; I've less confidence in the owners/boardroom side of the club.
94 Posted 17/12/2017 at 19:57:59
Although I don't believe in changing a winning side, I would give Rooney a rest and bring Vlasic in and move Sigurdsson inside.
I would bring Niasse and Bolasie on second half and give Calvert-Lewin and Lennon a break.
We cannot underestimate a Swamsea side that has got results out of us when we were a better side than this; we need full focus and determination.
As others have said, we can look for better football when we have some more points in the bag and confidence is no longer fragile.
95 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:01:13
96 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:09:53
* a genuine desire to see David Unsworth succeed in his stint as caretaker manager
* an acknowledgement that the fixture list and its intensity was not favourable to Unsworth
* a realization that under Unsworth our core deficiency this season - leaking goals - was NOT being addressed
* wanting a definitive, clear decision by the club custodians on the appointment of the manager before things spiralled even further out of control
* a gratitude for what David Unsworth did on his watch and the dignified way in which he carried himself
* not being enamoured of Sam Allardyce's appointment, but...
* a willingness to see how things pan out under his stewardship, rather than immediately snipe and condemn every perceived failing, real or imagined
* relieved by the evidently improved structure and defensive solidity of the team since Sam and his team arrived
* appalled by the paucity of our football in the Derby match, but equally delighted that as awful as our football was, it was enough to snatch a point at Mordor
* impressed by what Sam is saying and how he is saying it
* delighted Sam has NOT jettisoned our young guns as many predicted he would, but rather, talks them up in glowing terms
* an acceptance of indisputably moderate to poor football in the 4 games on his watch thus far, as improved results and simply stopping 2-3-4-5 goals being conceded every game HAD to be the first priority
* a desire to see progressively better football as Sam and his team have time to better implement their style and system with both individuals and the collective
The absolutism and lazy collective labelling of fellow posters on TW by some (or rather, by one particular poster) for not accepting without question their opinion is really getting extremely tiresome.
97 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:22:41
98 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:25:23
I agree with you about Baines, but without that defensive cover in front of him, and that offensive player outside of him, he hasn't been as effective for a few years now.
Footballers need help, and if that means getting back to help your team-mates, then I'm not sure how that can be a problem, in the same way a fullback gets forward to help in attack, then it should be doing everything you can to help “the team”.
99 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:28:59
100 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:30:55
There has been about 10 dives since that have been much more clear cut and just seem to get brushed under the carpet. Man Utd's Lukaku got away Scott free with blatant violent conduct.
Niasse must be spitting feathers, the inconsistency is there for all to see.
101 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:31:17
Your bullet points are absolutely spot on. Nice job in summarizing what is probably a quiet majority view of the recent turmoils and things as they now stand as Sam Allardyce continues to bring stability where there was very little in evidence before.
102 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:34:39
I've also noticed a trend among several posters to believe that many of our problems will disappear when the likes of Coleman, Bolasie, Funes Mori, McCarthy and Barkley come back from injury. Whilst I hope that they are right, of course, it will be a bonus if two of those players regain their former fitness, speed and form it's by no means a given and we cannot rely on their returns as a solution.
103 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:38:29
105 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:42:10
A crap campaign, but if we have 8 or 9 good players emerging that can build something it might sweeten the bitter taste of transition.
106 Posted 17/12/2017 at 20:52:16
Unfortunately some cannot move on. Looking at the league table today I doubt very much we will finish much better than where we are today, somewhere 8th-10th.
I seem to remember some saying that if we don't get into a European spot then Allardyce has failed. As far as I'm concerned if we finish mid table after the horror show we've had since pre season I would consider it a success.
A flukey 1-0 win in time added on tomorrow will do me. I can wait for all this fancy open entertaining football some want right now.
107 Posted 17/12/2017 at 21:01:59
Good to see some common sense on here virtually everything you said is true IMO; I would add I just don't get why some people expect anything from Macca when the evidence is he hasn't been consistently match fit for a long time - we may as well forget him. Also, in spite of Barkley's talent, it's been a long, long time since he performed consistently well, and he clearly doesn't want to play for EFC.
I hope Seamus & Bolasie will perform well after their return, but it's likely to take quite a while in Bolasie's case, I think a lot of us would say he was inconsistent and flattered to deceive in his short spell in the team; in Coleman's case, I genuinely believe he'll find it difficult to displace Kenny.
It would appear that Funes Mori's return is some time off, possibly even into next season?
108 Posted 17/12/2017 at 21:06:54
It's funny how some held Martinez and Koeman to the motto, but Allardyce seems to have a free pass to finish exactly where Martinez did, and everyone wanted to string him up. Well, I'm having none of it. We will finish 8th or better. We will finish above what is a very average Burnley team, who will start losing a ton of games soon, and Leicester are the only side I have any doubt that we can finish above.
Allardyce is here, and we are fully behind the team, but he ain't getting a free pass, and we will demand the usual standards.
Keith, Funes Mori will not be in training before March, he will be lucky to make it back for pre-season, and even then there will be worries about whether he made a full recovery. Just to be clear, after the first operation he broke down in training, and this was July. He had another knee operation, and he was ruled out for NINE more months. That is the end of February, and then it will take him a month to get back to fitness, and then the season is over.
109 Posted 17/12/2017 at 21:16:39
That said, to borrow another contributor's phrase, I am not a happy clapper. I would expect eighth or ninth this year but considerably better next season. I'll judge Allardyce properly next season.
110 Posted 17/12/2017 at 21:17:15
111 Posted 17/12/2017 at 21:24:18
Steve, I don't think anyone is giving Sam a free pass. He's inherited a terrible situation, our worst in many years, so he deserves a bit of credit if he can keep us out of the shit, but after that the expectations will be high again. I'm sure the grumbling will start soon enough, don't worry...
112 Posted 17/12/2017 at 21:31:49
113 Posted 17/12/2017 at 21:38:18
If we still got spending power in January, we'll come back for good at the subtop, I'm just wondering if Sam will be at the helm for long, it'll be interesting to see what style he really prefers in his team, when solid from the back to the very top.
114 Posted 17/12/2017 at 21:41:15
I agree with Darren, when he talks about managers (Unsy excepted of course!) and I think we should just let them get on with doing their job, and hope they do it well.
Too quick to criticise, or too quick to praise, usually amount to the same thing, so fuck the free passes, and let's judge the manager after he's been here for a bit, and just let him get on with his job in the mean time.
115 Posted 17/12/2017 at 21:41:57
At present to finish 8th we'd have to overtake either Leicester or Burnley supposing we get a result tomorrow of course to go above Watford !
Obviously 7th is doable but last time people said a team would implode after the year, if I remember, was Leicester, and we all remember that didn't happen.
Nobody said Allardyce should be given a free pass but considering he has not started on a level playing field I would have thought just a little leeway would be allowed him.
I have mentioned this before, I like many would have preferred us to have another guy here but due to the start of the season Allardyce seemed an obvious choice. Now he is here we have to show him some respect and support.
From the days of Carey until Allardyce, I cannot remember any supporters issuing any new manager with a "minimum requirement" in order to define what is or isn't an acceptable season.
116 Posted 17/12/2017 at 22:07:39
117 Posted 17/12/2017 at 22:21:53
We have bought approx £135m worth of players and sold approx £100m worth of players, so on paper we should be a £35m better team. As some of our expensive buys have been less than impressive, that supposition is far from a given.
Also as has been already stated many moons ago, if Niasse and Barkley had departed for pastures new, we would have spent bugger all to improve the team.
Big spending Everton...? Don't make me laugh!
118 Posted 17/12/2017 at 22:45:02
We have played in the Europa League twice in the last 4 years and for my money all it does is cock-up for want of a better word our Premier League campaign. We have not had the squad to cope with doing well in both competitions.
Of course, I understand that many will disagree, but that's the way I see it. It's the top 4 where we need to finish to break this 'nearly team' label; we would then presumably have a chance of attracting the very best players.
119 Posted 17/12/2017 at 23:02:39
Everton in the past have not been consistent under the past three managers. With Allardyce, we need after a successful result, to achieve the same in the next game.
This can only be achieved by sticking to the same formula, reduce the impact of the weak areas, gradually sorting them out. This is the basis to take us to the next level, where the ability of Allardyce to have the required vision will become apparent or not. Allardyce claims he never had this chance before... now he has the opportunity .Good Luck.
120 Posted 17/12/2017 at 23:41:52
Just now and again a few come along and perform miracles with very little. Ranieri at Leicester is a prime example. Having money to spend is not much good unless a squad can be formed into a decent working machine.
In a perfect world, sometimes a team can be successful as well as being attractive to watch such as City are at the moment but for the time being we Everton fans just want our team to stay in the top half of the table until all the squad is fit again and Sam can make some exceptional additions.
121 Posted 17/12/2017 at 23:42:13
122 Posted 17/12/2017 at 23:45:46
Not to mention all the dives before it!
123 Posted 17/12/2017 at 00:08:15
I am confident that the coach is thinking ahead that Coleman will be back and Jonjoe needs to play every week. One could argue he should stay to provide insurance in case Coleman re-injures which I'm sure the coaching staff will look at.
124 Posted 18/12/2017 at 00:16:27
125 Posted 18/12/2017 at 00:26:20
126 Posted 18/12/2017 at 01:15:14
The Europa League is a UEFA money-grabbing farce and I don't want to denigrate any Evertonian who travels to watch Europa League matches but the harsh fact is, as far as I'm concerned, that trips to the likes of Rezumberok and Krasnador serve only to show how desperate we've become as a result of boardroom incompetence and inertia down recent decades.
Every Evertonian surely needs to hope that Allardyce reveals talent he's hitherto been unable to display as a manager by getting us into the top four (although how he's supposed to do that within 18 months is Fantasy Island to me) but that of course requires significant support from the boardroom/owner too.
And that's where I fear the worst.... Please prove me wrong, Mr Moshiri, preferably starting in January.
127 Posted 18/12/2017 at 01:31:48
A long road ahead, but we were concrete in the box a month ago.
All The Very Best to All Evertonians of The Seasons Greetings & A Great 2018.
128 Posted 18/12/2017 at 01:52:30
I did read some of the comments here saying it would be a good time to give Klaassen another chance, but I don't think we are already in such a safe place as to tweak with the team too much. With that in mind, I'd leave the defence as it is. I would rest Calvert-Lewin, though, but would keep Lennon.
129 Posted 18/12/2017 at 02:09:27
Spot on. He's basically nailed a 2-month, 11-step process I would guess the majority of Blues have gone through exactly.
And as so far as the Europa League is concerned, I love the competition. And as long as it offers the golden goose egg of Champions League qualification to the victor, I say go for it.
Now the third place teams from the Champions League dropping into Europa League is completely asinine and cheapens the competition, but that's a topic for another day.
Finish as high as we can.
130 Posted 18/12/2017 at 03:33:49
Bearing in mind we will hopefully be bringing in 3(?) players, unless we're struggling for bodies, I wouldn't even have him, Klaassens, Sandro and Mirallas anywhere near the bench to night and anywhere near the club after the window.
131 Posted 18/12/2017 at 04:14:26
132 Posted 18/12/2017 at 07:01:31
Send Unsy and 6 U23s they had no bother coping with Limassol. First team remained unaffected and remained focussed on the Premier League.
I reckon Dave and the lads could be more fully committed to the early stages of that competition. As a result could have a good chance of getting us to the knockout stages and give the lads invaluable experience too.
133 Posted 18/12/2017 at 08:24:57
As far as Sandro is concerned I would give him more games later when the teams confidence is higher and the league place is more stable. I wish all the best to everyone and hope you all get what you want for Christmas (a win against Chelsea would be nice).
135 Posted 18/12/2017 at 09:00:04
136 Posted 18/12/2017 at 09:22:16
If we have aspirations of qualifying and playing in the champions league how do you think we will fare going straight in to that with no European experience?
That is why you need a squad of quality players capable enough to play two matches a week. Over to you, Mr Moshiri.
138 Posted 18/12/2017 at 09:46:08
Bang on mate, that's pretty much exactly been my thoughts of late. Nicely put, thanks for that.
I'll stick my neck out and say this: I quite like Sam Allardyce. I quite enjoy his pragmatic approach to the game. I quite like Sammy Lee as well, so shoot me. I also quite like Craig Shakespeare.
These 3 men don't make the game too complicated, which is something that previous managers (Martinez & Koeman) appear to have done football is a simple game etc, as someone quite famous once said, and it's true.
Footballers are not the brightest buttons in the box, and they respond well to simple, straightforward instructions and roles in teams. Big Sam (I prefer 'Big' to 'Fat') knows this, he knows players, he knows football, he knows tactics, he knows how to man-manage, and he knows how to stop teams from losing this is the priority, whether people like it or not.
We were in free-fall a few weeks ago, now look at us.
I'll take 1-0 every week over not having a damn clue what team we're going to see, or what the hell the tactics will be (if any!). An Allardyce team is, and will be well drilled, well organised, hard to beat and bloody minded in every way it may not be pretty at the moment, but give it time and I for one think you'll see a change in the style we play against certain teams.
Remember Bobby and Ron sending teams out to play the same way week in week out? Remember how bad the results of doing that were? Yeah, me too.
139 Posted 18/12/2017 at 09:51:06
Both of them are exceptionally talented players and require game time to properly adapt. It is unfair to ostracise them based on their game time thus far.
Klaassen was compared to Toni Kroos and Xavi by Johann Cruyff and I'm guessing he knows his stuff more than most on here. That talent doesn't just disappear... He has played 190 minutes in the premier league... that's right 190.
Let's compare his start to one of say Jonjoe Kenny. He started the first couple of games he played terribly in my opinion but he seems to be flourishing now. Yes he's a young man and just entering first team football I get that. But we stuck with him and allowed him to adapt and progress (some of it was needs must owing to Seamus injury); some are now saying Seamus will struggle to regain his place.
Sandro has played 231 minutes. The boy scored for fun last year and is a product of the Barcelona youth system. He played for their first team. Now you don't get those opportunities by being shit and void of talent. He's an exceptional talent and one we should not give up on after seeing 231 minutes of performance in a new country, a new league, new team mates, new climate, new systems, new everything!!!
Put yourselves in their position and ask if you could just turn up and bit-part your way into a side... especially one so terribly managed and terribly ran.
I would start both in games like tonight's. Sandro to start up top and Klaassen next to Gana with a freedom to seek.
Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
Lookman Klaassen Vlasic
140 Posted 18/12/2017 at 09:52:16
The modern game is a funny thing; we all hark back to various golden eras when we played beautiful football but, on the other hand, no-one wants to drop out of the top flight and we accept that "winning ugly" is often part of what is required to maintain top flight status. Witness Bournemouth being praised to the hilt for being open and getting hit for four, while we scratch a draw and get dogs' abuse from our RS neighbours.
I also hope for a footballing masterclass tonight, The School of Science and all that, but another win, no matter how we achieve it??? Yup, I'll take that too.
141 Posted 18/12/2017 at 09:53:45
"We look like we're defensively sound now and now it's about expanding on that.
"We have to be more expansive not lose that defensive solidarity but be more creative and more accomplished because in the games down the line, we'll have to break down teams or we'll have to play the big boys and try and get results."
That says it all really.
142 Posted 18/12/2017 at 10:02:43
Also a few other stats: Bournemouth have lost 6 on the bounce and Eddie Howe was touted as a good fit for us. They're 1 point off the bottom 3.
Newcastle have taken 1 point from a possible 27, and Rafa was also touted as a good choice for us.
Swansea got that guy Renato Sanches from Bayern and everyone was up in arms at them getting such a quality player while we chased Sigurdsson he's being linked with a move back to Bayern and has been useless for Swansea. The funny thing is that Bayern have said they don't even want him back early!
I guess what I'm driving at here, is that we all express very strong opinions (3 of them above) but over time it does seem to be borne out that we were often wrong, and the professionals made the right calls. Discussion on here is brilliant, though tempering things down a little bit at times might do all of us a favour.
Yeah we have opinions, yeah we have the right to discuss them, but they are quite literally, only opinions...
143 Posted 18/12/2017 at 10:07:43
We all bought in to this "new dawn" and I will hold my hands up I did also. However, when you now sit back and look at it, it's very obvious. We bought good players (Sigurdsson, Rooney, Sandro etc). But what we don't have is genuine world class players. Look at all the top six.
Man City – loads to name
Man Utd – Lukaku, De Gea, Pogba, Matic.
Arsenal – Ozil, Sanchez
Chelsea – Hazard, Willian
Liverpool – Mane, Coutinho, Salah
Spurs – Kane, Eriksen
That's exactly where the problem lies. We need 4 World Class players to play alongside some of our very good players. This is when we have a chance to break into the top echelons again.
144 Posted 18/12/2017 at 10:16:45
145 Posted 18/12/2017 at 10:41:30
Can you see what it is yet?
146 Posted 18/12/2017 at 10:49:19
"I guess what I'm driving at here, is that we all express very strong opinions (3 of them above) but over time it does seem to be borne out that we were often wrong, and the professionals made the right calls."
Which professionals are those – Walsh and Koeman?
If so, you think they made the "right calls" overall based purely on buying Sigurdsson for £46M and not buying Renato Sanches?
Its rather a small sample, I'd say.
Here are some more calls by said professionals:
● Not buying a striker
● Not buying a left back
● Not registering Luke Garbutt for the Premier League.
● Not registering Niasse for the Europa League.
● Not one player with pace bought in the summer.
● Buying Sigurdsson when we already had Klaassen and Rooney
● Buying Vlasic when we already had Klaassen, Rooney and Sigurdsson.
I'm afraid a monkey and a dartboard with random transfer targets would have had more success than these professionals.
Assuming it was these two you were referring to.
147 Posted 18/12/2017 at 11:42:15
148 Posted 18/12/2017 at 11:48:51
I remember in the 1980s Kendall often talking about earning the right to play; getting the basics right and then out-footballing the opposition.
I hope that will come. In the meantime, let's get points on the board and build confidence.
149 Posted 18/12/2017 at 11:54:30
So, if Swansea do set up as I expect, it will be interesting to see how we go about breaking them down. A win will again lift the pressure off both manager and players going into the holiday games.
150 Posted 18/12/2017 at 11:56:42
World class players (Hazard, de Bruyne etc) turn up in any league and can play. To progress we need a few of these although does the club really have the ambition for it... or is Allardyce a sign that mid-table drudgery and the TV money is the only game in town?
151 Posted 18/12/2017 at 12:02:00
152 Posted 18/12/2017 at 12:08:59
Everton don't do players with 'magic' in their boots. Somehow, we have gone 30 years surviving with workmanlike, or sometimes good players. "Kanchelskis" (for one season) you will hear some fans shout. How long ago was that FFS? Or even Cahill, who was good, but couldn't go past two or three players and stick it in the top corner.
I can't think of any other club who could sign so many average players as us. You only have to look at the teams you mention, and marvel at some of their signings. Even when Spurs were awful, they always had one or two superstars in their teams.
When you assess the Premier League years, it's as if we've had an actor off Corrie in charge of transfers for the past 20 years, but that would be madness for a club our size, wouldn't it?
Even with a couple of hundred million to spend, we've raided clubs who were threatened with relegation that should tell it's own story.
153 Posted 18/12/2017 at 12:17:12
"He's a good manager that Eddie Howe. Tries to play in the right way..."
Lets get the basics right first.
154 Posted 18/12/2017 at 12:17:56
The coach should have been giving Jonjoe confidence in his ability to do so instead of putting doubts into his head, that he wasn't ready, made up that Kenny had enough confidence to fight for the position he is in now.
155 Posted 18/12/2017 at 12:33:07
I'm afraid a monkey and a dartboard with random transfer targets would have had more success than these professionals.
I just have a mental image of Bill Kenwright looking at the monkey, saying "Are you sure you want another Number 10?"
"Alright. Walsh get his agent on the phone!"
156 Posted 18/12/2017 at 12:54:33
That's what Spurs keep doing and they haven't won anything yet, so I'm prepared to be patient as long as we make genuine progress. Bloody hard, though!
157 Posted 18/12/2017 at 13:04:27
Sam has said he wouldn't want to change a winning team, unless forced to by injury or fatigue. So I can't see your pick being the starting line-up tonight, but that's not saying some will not be on the bench.
159 Posted 18/12/2017 at 13:28:48
So you can get very good players if your scouts are doing their job take note, Steve Walsh.
160 Posted 18/12/2017 at 13:38:51
161 Posted 18/12/2017 at 13:46:47
I'm looking forward to Everton putting in a solid performance and hopefully securing a win. The last two months have seen turbulent times. There have been so many posts on different threads and on this one posted by Evertonians who are obviously so passionate about the club and their love of it. I am sure there are many, many more readers who feel the same about the club but just don't post.
I've read so many good constructive comments and also "If you can't see that you must be stupid" ones. We all have broad shoulders otherwise we wouldn't support Everton.
If anyone is annoyed by any comments I apologise in advance .I don't want to get into a keyboard fight with you. The SS Everton has recently been caught in a violent storm. We were on the wrong course and it looked as though we were heading towards the rocks. Capt Martinez didn't know what to do about it and Capt Koeman didn't know what to do about it. Our new Captain, Captain Bligh, helped by a couple of bosuns has given the lazy ungrateful crew thirty lashes. (It should have been fifty) and seems to have got them all pulling on the ropes together, not always in time I might add .Otherwise they'll walk the plank. It's like the walk of shame but more expensive.
Our ship is still in turbulent waters. Capt Bligh (Charles Laughton) seems to have the rudder pointed in the right direction and we will probably miss the rocks, but the sea is still rough and the storm clouds are still about. However, I've just sen the weather forecast for the next month and the glass could be set Fair.
Darren (#13), It is not 'unrehearsed'!!! It's because we haven't been rehearsing that we've been rubbish. See Brian (#33).
Our players have been doing the Kevin de Bruyne thing for years and they've had all sorts of abuse. The difference is he knew that someone would be running into that position ours was just speculation. Man City practice the runs, the drills, the one-twos,the corners and the defending. See the link from another poster of Pep Guardiaola coaching Sterling.... Our idea of a 'coach' is something to take you to see Blackpool lights.
Paul (#35) – Yes.
Kevin (#35), As an Evertonian, I have not and do not accept what has been served up for the last 18 months and neither will anyone else. You obviously feel the same.
I'm certain Lee, Shaky and Capt Bligh will not tolerate poor passing and control and not giving 100%. I expect them to improve our overall quality.
Chris (#74) – Yes.
Gary (#131) – Yes. We had to persevere with Jonjoe Kenny. That seems to be turning out okay. I wonder how Sandro would have done with more game time? You never know how people will shape up till they're under fire.
I'm looking forward to 2018 and a resurgent Everton. I will continue to read and enjoy all the posts from my fellow Blues. I will look forward to the posts on the best fan site in the world.
As Carly Simon sings: "I wasn't looking but somehow I found you."
We are all chosen. Good fortune to our club for the future and to us, and if possible a little less vitriol and a little more concord.
162 Posted 18/12/2017 at 13:52:36
163 Posted 18/12/2017 at 14:04:08
164 Posted 18/12/2017 at 14:04:20
What's the saying 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush'? No, a win is a must tonight.
166 Posted 18/12/2017 at 14:29:41
Before returning to normal and ripping the shit out of each other??? :-))
167 Posted 18/12/2017 at 14:39:51
That would need a hookah pipe Brian.
Full to the brim 😁
169 Posted 18/12/2017 at 14:45:07
About as much chance as Everton playing good football and moving up the table.
Remember the Latin: "Deus nobis haec otis faecit" If you keep picking, it will never get better.
170 Posted 18/12/2017 at 15:02:11
171 Posted 18/12/2017 at 15:05:39
Sometimes the views are a bit too negative maybe but living outside the city, it's a great way to keep up with fellow Blues' viewpoints. It is getting tiresome though to read spats between the same contributors to a lot of topics. Half of the time, I can't even follow what it is they're arguing about.
A post about tonight's Swansea game includes references to previous contributions about posting limits. Come on lads! Can we not just accept that Everton is a broad church and we all have different beliefs and views on signings, management, style of play etc. but essentially we are all on this website for the same reason, wanting the same thing: a successful Everton team of which we can all be proud?
Let's hope for 3 points tonight, some decent performances till the end of the year and an effective January window.
172 Posted 18/12/2017 at 15:29:22
Oh and check the stats too...............fucking pipes!!
Whispers-Parody by the way, honest.
173 Posted 18/12/2017 at 15:44:40
This nonsense about us having to get European in the Europa League is what I said, nonsense.
When we qualified under Martinez I voiced my concerns preference not to get in. Although I wasn't happy with us being in it I still went to the games.
I crossed my fingers during Koeman's first season we wouldn't get in the Europa League and was slagged a fair bit after voicing my opposition. We got in and I have not gone to any away games.
To me it is just a waste of time, preseason preparation and gives us nothing with the players and squad we have and had.
I mention in a previous post that I think we will finish 8th this season and hope that keeps us well clear on the Europa League.
A couple of seasons ago Leicester entered the Champions League without having any previous European experience and they didn't do too bad did they ??
174 Posted 18/12/2017 at 15:47:50
You can stick all that up your steak and kidney pipe 😁
175 Posted 18/12/2017 at 15:53:06
176 Posted 18/12/2017 at 15:56:46
177 Posted 18/12/2017 at 15:59:24
Leicester, Champions the season before, weren't they? Sacked their manager and finished in the bottom half of the league.
I wonder which team had the most European experience there.
178 Posted 18/12/2017 at 16:04:21
179 Posted 18/12/2017 at 16:07:51
Can't even have a pint -- in my car - - had to take one of our gang to hospital appointment - - no time to go home and back.
Take Care Blue Boys Everywhere - - Cosmic Blue Grooves All The Way.
180 Posted 18/12/2017 at 16:11:02
I was at that game and remember it well, though it wasn't the simple tap-in that time and myth has altered it to. Great gesture all the same!
ps: He'll do a refs push on yer if you call him Paula again!!
181 Posted 18/12/2017 at 16:11:31
182 Posted 18/12/2017 at 17:09:48
The back four that is achieving this current turnaround is basically a new back four and while it was forced on us by injuries it has highlighted the main problem that has plagued Everton for some time now which is our failure to replace aging players who have lost their edge and mobility, like Jags & Baines. Kenny and Holgate have been a revelation when playing in their natural positions.
I was not happy about Big Sam being appointed manager but he's impressed so far. He is a unique in being a plain talking 'Rostbif' who you can tell a bit of a rogue but he somehow inspires trust. A wily old card shark who does his best with the hand that's given him.
183 Posted 18/12/2017 at 17:33:41
184 Posted 18/12/2017 at 17:43:37
The Argentine won a penalty in the 18th minute at the Bet365 Stadium having gone to ground following a challenge from Stoke defender Erik Pieters.
The incident was reviewed by a three-person panel on Monday, with all three agreeing unanimously that Lanzini successfully deceived match officials.
West Ham and Lanzini have until 6pm on Tuesday to decide whether to accept a two-match ban or to contest the charge and David Moyes has said the club are considering an appeal.
If Lanzini contests the charge, the matter will be resolved by the Independent Regulatory Commission. Sky Sports News understands the Independent Regulatory Commission would review and decide before West Ham's Carabao Cup quarter-final match against Arsenal at the Emirates on Tuesday.
Lanzini becomes just the second Premier League player to be charged this season for deception. Everton forward Oumar Niasse was banned for two matches after successfully deceiving match officials to win a penalty in his side's 2-2 draw with Crystal Palace in November.
185 Posted 18/12/2017 at 17:47:25
Brian (180) yes a great gesture like you say but there was at least three Everton players guarding the goal when Paulo generously stopped the game.
186 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:01:03
Man Utd deliberately targeted the Europa League to the detriment of their league position that season. Plus they didn't start off their campaign as early as we did. Finally, there is no comparison to the size and quality of their squad to ours.
Not sure I know what you're on about regarding Leicester City? They went straight in to the Champions League, did brilliantly, and again suffered league wise. Can't remember them being in the Europa League prior to that campaign.
So apart from Man Utd I take it the list of successful Europa League and league campaigns by English clubs is endless?
More often than not the Europa League has proven to be a poison chalice for the majority of English Clubs.
Anyway I'm off now to see us play in the only competition of any realistic use to us. Enjoy the rest of the Europa League campaign when it comes.
187 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:06:00
188 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:07:13
189 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:15:17
190 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:16:38
Just seen this on BBC. Hopefully this now puts to bed any paranoia of an anti-Everton bias.
191 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:18:10
192 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:25:32
Amit @146. You can add Steve's point @108 to your list of 'things our professionals do', the inclusion of Funes Mori in the Registered squad of 25, when he was injured until March at the earliest.
Hoping for a win tonight, but it has a good weekend for the underdogs such as Palace at Leicester, Huddersfield at Watford and in the rugby Munster at Leicester. Could there be one more upset.
Swansea bottom of the table, so we'd better watch out. Everton have a long history of giving the underdog a leg up. At the moment despite the good results recently, we haven't been playing any inspiring joined up footy.
I might add Celtic losing 4-0 to Hearts.
193 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:30:31
No need for paranoia, I think we were simply the victim of over eagerness to use a new "Toy", resulting in a terrible decision. Everything that clearly took place in the Niasse incident blatantly contradicts the FA's own rules.
Hopefully future actions are limited to such as this Lanzini case, where actual diving took place.
194 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:33:05
195 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:37:21
196 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:40:16
A wonderful player a proper consistent star.,. what's he worth? I've not seen the incident since, but that was my impression on MotD.
The score tonight?Not a clue but I have to fancy us to win.
197 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:47:33
198 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:48:51
199 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:51:00
That bet. That was with me, Phil.
Even with Koeman on board, I was still on course to win it.
Given how you (and your missus!) kept looking to add conditions AFTER the bet was placed, I thought you would try and renege on it as Koeman was no longer with us.
Good on yer if you are going to cough up. £50 going to EitC we agreed. And as I promised, I will match your 'bullseye' with £50 to the same cause.
200 Posted 18/12/2017 at 19:01:31
201 Posted 18/12/2017 at 19:02:17
202 Posted 18/12/2017 at 19:02:19
Odds tonight = Everton 4/5, Draw 13/5, Swansea 23/5.
Had me a tenner on the Blues as usual!
Thanks for being such a good sport!
203 Posted 18/12/2017 at 19:03:17
204 Posted 18/12/2017 at 19:04:34
205 Posted 18/12/2017 at 19:08:35
206 Posted 18/12/2017 at 19:13:44
I thought he may have 'protected' Gana, one yellow card short of an automatic ban, ahead of the Chelsea game with the busy Christmas & New Year fixture list ahead, but he seems to be trusting the player not to do anything daft.
Gana was, after all, for many MotM against the Barcodes.
Although bottom of the table, the Swans have the 8th best defensive record overall in the league and the 3rd best defensive away record, conceding just 8 on their travels.
I expect nothing less than a win, but a goal fest might prove more challenging.
207 Posted 18/12/2017 at 19:40:21
208 Posted 19/12/2017 at 10:31:46
No, I was referring to Eddie Howe, Rafa Benitez and Renato Sanches.
The two managers are struggling, and Sanches has been woeful.
Your post (and mine) are both cherry-picking to suit our agenda it's what makes debate happen! :)
209 Posted 20/12/2017 at 20:56:18
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