Cenk Tosun's move to Everton reportedly hangs in the balance as rival clubs look to swoop in
According to media claims yesterday, the club have agreed terms with the player, with further reports suggesting they were close to agreeing a £25m fee with the Turkish club but it didn't appear as though anything was settled at the time Sam Allardyce sat down with the media earlier today.
It now looks as though director of football Steve Walsh has headed up a party that has flown to Istanbul to ensure that Everton win the race to sign Tosun who looks to be leaving Besiktas in the coming transfer window.
He bade farewell to the crowd during that club's 4-1 win over Osmanlispor in a cup tie last night, with sources in Turkey reporting that his move to Goodison Park was a done deal.
“It's in the wind,” Blues boss Sam Allardyce said today of the Tosun transfer. “There's obviously an interest because we're actively looking for a front man but whether we are the ones to complete that deal or not I don't know.
"The interest from other clubs around Europe is our biggest worry if we are to secure that transfer.”
Valencia, Red Bull Leipzig and Roma have all been credited with interest in the 26-year-old in recent months while Crystal Palace and Newcastle are believed to have been tracking him from the Premier League.
A Turkish media source suggested later on Twitter, however, that the deal was done and that Tosun would be returning to England with two Everton representatives.
TV presenter Ertem Sener said: "Cenk Tosun is definitely finished [at Besiktas]. He even dumped his house today. Tomorrow he leaves Istanbul with his two Everton administrators. Clear and precise information."
Meanwhile, Allardyce has confirmed his interest in signing Steven N'Zonzi from Sevilla but admits he would have to shift one of the many central midfielders already on Everton's books first.
Allardyce worked with the midfielder during his Blackburn Rovers days and is keen to link up with him again but the Blues are well stocked for central midfielders.
“I would take Steven N'Zonzi tomorrow,” he said. “He is one of my better buys in my lifetime.
"Knowing him from that age and knowing him now, yes I would like him but with the amount of midfield players I have at the moment I'd have to move some player out to bring a player like Steven in.
“I would consider every offer and, if it is the right offer, I would recommend to the board that we take it and utilise that money on what we might bring in. I'd have to say that caution is my first priority in this window.
"For me it would be much wiser that the club tries to get through until the end of the season and readdress what we are about to do during the summer. It is much better operating then than it is in this very difficult window.”
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1 Posted 29/12/2017 at 16:01:30
2 Posted 29/12/2017 at 16:02:48
“Well thats us fucked then.”
“Clearly just an agent using us to get a better pay day.”
“Hes well shit, only no marks like Valencia, Leipzig and Crystal Palace after him.”
So on and so forth.
3 Posted 29/12/2017 at 16:15:07
4 Posted 29/12/2017 at 16:31:55
Difficult to assign any positive impact he has made during his tenure.
5 Posted 29/12/2017 at 16:33:50
It depends how much say he had in the likes of Lookman, Vlasic, Bowler, Gibson, etc. For all we know he might have played a huge role in setting the team up for the future.
His role in first team buys is questionable though.
6 Posted 29/12/2017 at 16:34:20
Nothing has changed... still a sell-to-buy small mentality club!!!
7 Posted 29/12/2017 at 16:36:58
8 Posted 29/12/2017 at 16:45:09
How many of Besic, Mirallas, Niasse, Barkley, McCarthy, Schneiderlin, Klaassen, and Sandro will be left over the next two windows???
9 Posted 29/12/2017 at 16:47:35
11 Posted 29/12/2017 at 16:49:27
Tosun is a typical buy for a club around the 7th to 10th place in the Premier League who have no ambition of aiming higher. Not exactly what we were promised by Farhad Moshiri, is it?
If we want to dine at the big boys table we need the appropriate big boys in our side. These £20 million Joe Average players do nothing for our reputation.
Keane, Klaassen, Sigurdsson all over paid for in the summer.
I fear Cenk Tosun is of the same calibre as the other duds we bought. I would sooner take a cheeky punt on Vardy and get 2 seasons out of him than these Euro duds.
12 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:01:59
I think the bigger issue is what we are going to do if/when Barkley goes in this window. Davies needs more time to develop and Klaassen doesn't seem to fit that mold. We desperately need a creative attacking mid who can link up play.
Regardless of what happens in the middle of the park, Mirallas had better be moving on in this window!
13 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:13:48
He identified and captured our best outfield player Gana.
14 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:18:16
Misgivings: he is scoring but in a much inferior league; 26 but not yet played in a high-level division; likely as good as he's gonna get. For £25M we'd be taking a punt on him being able to handle the Premier League.
Is he actually an upgrade on Calvert-Lewin, Niasse or Sandro? Both Calvert-Lewin and Sandro are much younger. Niasse has proven he can score in this league. Sandro has scored in La Liga. Total waste of money. He has his critics but Sandro has had a run of 6 games so far, 3 starts. He finally scores then is dumped again. Unless we are buying a definite upgrade, save the money. If this guy was any good he would have been brought to a better league than Turkey well before now.
As for Nzonzi: pass. He was rubbish at Stoke and the way things are going at Sevilla he may have character issues. Pulled off at half-time vs Liverpool prior to Sevilla launching their fightback. Says a lot.
15 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:27:58
16 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:28:10
Mind if this deal should fall through then I cant see Walsh being here for the next transfer window. I mean he had Giroud in the bag didn't he?
As for outgoings well I would be amazed if Mirallas or Besic survive the cull, and listening to Allardyce's comments about Sandro and Klaassen sulking at training. I can see these being shipped out if not in Jan then probably in the summer unless there is a massive turnaround in their form.
17 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:31:42
Scoring for one of the top sides in the Turkish league does not necessarily translate to the Premier League.
Walsh has decided he will be a success though, and we have to trust someone to make decisions. Let's hope he will do the business for us.
I wouldn't be completely devastated if they messed us about and we walked away.
18 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:38:37
19 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:40:53
20 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:44:13
Missed that, mate. What did Sam say about Sandro and Klaassen?
21 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:47:40
Very few of our players would get in any champions league teams, just look at our europa league record this year! Sign him up and ask him to bring some of his mates!
22 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:52:30
23 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:54:19
Calling Agent Moyes, calling Agent Moyes!
24 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:55:30
I've never seen such comments from Sam. Where did you?
Or are you perhaps mixed up with Unsworth's comments about Schneiderlin and Mirallas?
25 Posted 29/12/2017 at 17:57:08
26 Posted 29/12/2017 at 18:12:41
27 Posted 29/12/2017 at 18:23:57
Not by us Evertonians!!!!
28 Posted 29/12/2017 at 18:24:20
Just won the Brazilian league title with Corinthians and was the league's top scorer also with 18 goals. Hard to believe, but he really was one of the players of the season. Outstanding, in fact.
Also hard to believe is that, with the season barely finished, Corinthians chose to cash in on him and sold him for 11 million euros to Japanese side Nagoya Grampus where he'll by plying his trade in 2018.
29 Posted 29/12/2017 at 18:32:26
30 Posted 29/12/2017 at 18:36:47
31 Posted 29/12/2017 at 18:38:41
32 Posted 29/12/2017 at 18:49:44
33 Posted 29/12/2017 at 18:50:05
Looks like we'll have to wait for Ben Mee unless we offer silly money now!
34 Posted 29/12/2017 at 18:50:12
These two look decidedly average and signings for signings' sake. Just wish Moshiri would realise he's being taken to the cleaners by managers and scouts who prey on his football ignorance!
35 Posted 29/12/2017 at 18:57:10
36 Posted 29/12/2017 at 18:59:40
37 Posted 29/12/2017 at 19:00:21
Jamie, Pack it in, mate.
38 Posted 29/12/2017 at 19:04:25
39 Posted 29/12/2017 at 19:13:21
I thought we had become more professional and savvy. Sadly I can see us missing out. Shaking head disappointingly...
40 Posted 29/12/2017 at 19:15:54
Allardyce was interviewed by Sky and he was asked about various players. He said that Sandro and Klaassen need to stop sulking around the training ground blaming everybody but themselves. They need to show the coaches and myself what there about.
So obviously Sam is far from happy with their attitude and is publicly letting the fans know as well. Now whether its right to chastize players in public I don't know but we will see very soon if it has the desired effect.
41 Posted 29/12/2017 at 19:16:41
43 Posted 29/12/2017 at 19:21:58
44 Posted 29/12/2017 at 19:23:17
45 Posted 29/12/2017 at 19:30:26
46 Posted 29/12/2017 at 19:34:34
Then for the two Sams to decide how we supply our new striker (s)? Gonna be an interesting week in terms of deals done and the next visit to our old ground.
47 Posted 29/12/2017 at 19:50:04
48 Posted 29/12/2017 at 19:55:49
49 Posted 29/12/2017 at 20:10:29
50 Posted 29/12/2017 at 20:12:47
51 Posted 29/12/2017 at 20:19:02
52 Posted 29/12/2017 at 20:23:33
53 Posted 29/12/2017 at 20:39:35
Steve Walsh has it easy in my opinion. He seems to have a list of attributes a player must possess (like every scout and they are usually a prerequisite anyway) and then he bids or advises a bid.
I don't get how he gets credit for buying young players the top clubs didn't want to spend £10 million on, and wait 2 or 3 years for their talent to come to form. It's not like he discovers them. The club we buy from does that and I suspect we are halting the development of our own youth while gambling on these young buys?
As for Tosun, we have to do something and it's hardly rocket science to look for any buy-able in-form striker.
54 Posted 29/12/2017 at 20:44:06
At least he will be earning his money, the massive, massive fraud.
55 Posted 29/12/2017 at 20:49:03
And for the record (because I'm sick of people slating our Director of Football), his job is to recommend players to the manager!!! The way it works is like this... manager says "I want a 6ft powerhouse box-to box-midfielder. Director of Football goes through the files, his scouts, scouts the player, the Director of Football scouts him personally. He then says this guy could be good based on these stats bla bla...
Then ' down to the manager to say Ayeee or Naeeee. So he is basically a scout. To think Steve wWalsh just went out and signed 3 Number 10s off his own back is naive at best.
56 Posted 29/12/2017 at 20:56:12
This being his last throw of the managerial-dice, not surprised he's jumpy. This is his first (and last) crack at managing at a top Club.
If Walsh is being flown out there, it's with a remit to bring this player back with him.
Let's not forget, Everton is the one Club in for Tosun who genuinely, no-doubt-about-it NEEDS a striker. It was never going to be cut-n-dry.
The lad would be represented by one shit agent if he didn't try to wring every penny out of the club wanting to sign his boy.
Tosun is young enough yet, but how many other big contracts is he going to sign after this one?
Let them hash it out, get him in, and we'll see how good he is.
57 Posted 29/12/2017 at 21:00:53
58 Posted 29/12/2017 at 21:01:32
59 Posted 29/12/2017 at 21:11:14
I'd take NZzonzi in a heartbeat, class act. Him and Banega destroyed our midfield in pre-season. I'd keep McCarthy as if fit he is top class as a ball winner.
Get rid of Schneiderlin asap.
60 Posted 29/12/2017 at 21:16:28
61 Posted 29/12/2017 at 21:23:48
Sheesh, I'd think you'd have to be a Liverpool fan for not keeping up with this non-shiftiness! ;D
62 Posted 29/12/2017 at 21:33:42
63 Posted 29/12/2017 at 21:38:24
Err, right then Sam. Thanks, but no thanks, cos all I know is that nobody in their right mind would buy what's occasionally in my wind.
And fair comment if he's told Klaassen and Sandro to get their fingers out. Sounds like a harsh version of what Koeman allegedly, but rightly if indeed it ever happened, told Barkley. Professional top-flight millionaire footballers of any age should not be sulking or continuously feeling sorry for themselves to the cost of the club paying their extortionate wages.
64 Posted 29/12/2017 at 21:39:51
I'm "Woods", based in Latvia and have very conservative views.
The other one is "Wood" and based somewhere else seemingly Brazil and seems to be more left-leaning than I could ever be.
65 Posted 29/12/2017 at 21:42:06
67 Posted 29/12/2017 at 21:54:19
Jay and Eddie, Jo gave an interview to Reuters last summer in which he expressed his regrets at having missed his opportunity at Everton because of a lack of professionalism:
“There was an episode at Everton when I had hurt my ankle and I asked (then manager) David Moyes if I could come back to Brazil to speed up treatment,” Jo told Reuters in an interview. “I came back here and didnt have any treatment, I did other things,” he said. “I told him I was fit to face Chelsea. I played from the start in London and I didnt play well at all. I was in pain and I hid it from him and he found out. And he was very angry.” “I had opportunities but I wasnt focussed. I didnt take care of myself off the field. I didnt rest, I didnt train properly. It was immaturity. I thought it was just another club and just another moment in my career but it was a massive opportunity for me...
“I came back here and didnt have any treatment, I did other things,” he said. “I told him I was fit to face Chelsea. I played from the start in London and I didnt play well at all. I was in pain and I hid it from him and he found out. And he was very angry.”
“I had opportunities but I wasnt focussed. I didnt take care of myself off the field. I didnt rest, I didnt train properly. It was immaturity. I thought it was just another club and just another moment in my career but it was a massive opportunity for me...
Apparently being known as a flop in the Prem with us and City, and returning to Brazil with his tail tucked, triggered a rush to adulthood. He also played in the UAE and China before going back home to Corinthians. And now he's odds-on to make Brazil's roster for the WC. Quite a turnaround.
68 Posted 29/12/2017 at 22:01:46
You are exaggerating a tad, but the fact that Jo returned to Brazil with Corinthians after a couple of seasons away from his home land, first in the Emirates then in China - AND ended the season as the league's top scorer - kinda tells you the the Brazilian league is nowhere near the standard of the very best European leagues.
But ludicrous and crap it is not. I enjoy Serie A, the Brasileirao as it is also known. The games are super competitive, especially the many 'classicos' - derby matches - of which there are many because so many teams are based in the 2 biggest cities, Sao Paulo and Rio.
As you would expect, there is no shortage of skill and even in the intense heat in which many games are played, I wouldn't say they play at a slow pace. Nor do they leave lots of space. Rather, defenders leave plenty of stud marks on anyone attempting to go past them! They are ruthless!
That said, I am always hard pushed to identify a player who I feel could make it with Everton in the PL. The last player I would really liked to have seen Everton take a punt on was 3-4 years ago - appropriately called Everton Ribeiro, who was player of the year for 2 consecutive seasons in 2013-14 when his (and MY Brazilian team - the only Serie A side to wear all blue shirts!) Cruzeiro surprisingly won back to back titles.
United (and Monaco) were said to be sniffing around at the time, but then he ended up playing in the Gulf League for 3 years. Go figure.
Really skillful midfielder who created and scored plenty. Now 28 (so a shot at European football has probably passed him by), he returned to Brazil with Flamengo this year and helped them reach the final of the Copa Sudamericana - the South American equivalent of the Europa League. Indeed, Gremio - another Brazilian side - won the Libertadores, the continent's equivalent of the Champions League, which tells you how strong Brazilian football is compared to other countries in South America.
Gremio of course recently lost the World Club final to Real Madrid. They have one player - Luan - who some commentators in Brazil regard as the best Brazilian player currently playing in Serie A. Not so sure about that, but he does have some ability and scores goals. Just not convinced myself that - at 24 - Luan could make it in Europe.
So intense is European scouting of talent in Brazil that any talent - even quite moderate talent - is mopped up by overseas academies. Indeed, Barcelona has a number of academies in Brazil itself where kids of all ages are schooled in the Barcelona way.
The next 'big thing' out of Brazil (after Gabriel Jesus) is a 17-year-old Vinicius Junior. He is already signed up for Real Madrid for 45 million euros, but likely to stay in Brazil in 2018.
Gabriel Jesus you could see he had 'it'. I just don't see it in Junior.
69 Posted 29/12/2017 at 22:02:47
Hoping Sandro is loaned out, so he can his mojo back. He's talented. To be 20-21 years old, doing well, hearing the roars of the crowd, signed by a big Club in England and then... Culture shock, pace-of-play shock, poor manager? All that together, who's surprised he hasn't done well? I'm not.
Could be, like Deulofeu nurtured thru the Barca system, the pace and physicality of English football, is too much for him to handle. Perhaps, unlike Deulofeu, it's not.
Give him another season out on loan to build his confidence back up. We're talking about a 21-year old after all, who's spent his entire footballing life in Catalonia.
I hope we keep him.
Klaassen is a different business.
I watched that final. Mourinho must have watched praying to his God that Ajax won.
A team of kids with Klaassen as the hub around which they rotated, much have been his dream Final scenario.
All he did was have Klaassaen muscled, covered, and pushed for 90 minutes. The attacking life of Ajax was snuffed. Meat and potatoes for Jose.
The Premier League is a talent "Bridge to Far" for Davy. God bless him, but he has to move on to have a career. It's not going to happen in England.
Sandro, though? He's a talent in a strange land. Hope we give a few more months of thought before moving him on.
70 Posted 29/12/2017 at 22:08:10
Makes for good, straight squabbles until the next game!
71 Posted 29/12/2017 at 22:20:40
Astonishingly, because he seems to have been around for ages, Jo is still only 30.
He has seriously cleaned up his act in recent years. He was a real party animal. Indeed, he was sacked from the Brazilian club Atletico Mineiro for his 'indiscipline' before being shipped out to the Emirates then China.
Other than probably his close family, all of Brazil were astonished when Felipe Scolari regularly selected him ahead of and during the home World Cup in 2014.
Apparently, he has turned to religion and given up his previous 'party animal' life style. That is probably what he was up to when not having the treatment Mike refers to.
I remember the Chelsea game Mike also mentions. It was just before Xmas in his 2nd loan spell with us. For me, it was an out and out simulation that saw him withdrawn to ensure he got Xmas off! He made 2-3 attempts during that game to get subbed out.
My suspicion was confirmed when - yep! - he returned to Brazil for Xmas...AND the New Year... and beyond, way past what Moyes agreed.
Very quickly on his return to Everton, he was sent packing by Moyes back to City.
And sorry to correct you Mike, but nowadays he is nowhere near being selected for the national side again, least of all for the World Cup. The current Brazilian coach Tite is a very serious top class manager.
I expect Brazil to have an excellent World Cup under him in Russia and thereafter Tite is likely to get offers from big European clubs.
72 Posted 29/12/2017 at 22:33:21
73 Posted 29/12/2017 at 22:35:31
74 Posted 29/12/2017 at 22:51:51
Would anyone be getting excited about us kerplunking £25m on a 26-year-old striker from the Championship? I thought not. If Sandro has found it difficult to adjust to English football, coming from a strong league like Spain, how is Tosun going to find it? Will he get as many as 6 subpar outings before people start calling him "shit" like Sandro? Baffling stuff.
Obviously, if we do sign him then I wish him luck but this is Everton all over. Overpaying on what is basically a punt.
75 Posted 29/12/2017 at 22:54:03
Nzonzi No, no more central midfielders. He's not better than what we got.
Left-back Yes, go for Tiernan Kierney. Young, fast and fearless.
76 Posted 29/12/2017 at 22:59:48
Schneiderlin has been awful; Davies not there yet,; McCarthy never fit; Besic just not happening.
That leaves Geuye for now and Davies for the future. Nzonzi will have no problem getting into that midfield.
77 Posted 29/12/2017 at 23:04:56
But as Sam said, he's got bigger fish to fry this transfer window! And only if offers for any of our other midfielders are received and accepted, he'd go for Nzonzi this window.
Not really sure what I'm hoping for here. He sounds like a better Schneiderlin, and maybe an overblown ego to divide the players we already have...
78 Posted 29/12/2017 at 23:10:33
Do we really expect to attract a top striker like Neymar for the price of some countries GDP, smarten up and be realistic and have faith!!
79 Posted 29/12/2017 at 23:18:27
80 Posted 29/12/2017 at 23:21:55
81 Posted 29/12/2017 at 23:33:20
82 Posted 29/12/2017 at 23:40:50
As ever though, Everton owners condemn us to having to be eternally optimistic despite the absence of reliable evidence to support it.
Question; is Moshiri naught but another 21st century version of a late 20th century bullshitter, and continuing, such as Kenwright?
And as for Walsh, he knows he's already a millionaire regardless of success in whatever he now does on our behalf and at his age he and those he loves are made for life. Luvverly-jubberly for him.
83 Posted 29/12/2017 at 00:02:05
84 Posted 29/12/2017 at 00:08:37
85 Posted 29/12/2017 at 00:10:48
86 Posted 30/12/2017 at 00:11:05
87 Posted 30/12/2017 at 00:12:47
88 Posted 30/12/2017 at 00:15:00
This fella is more likely to be another Niaisse, but twice as expensive. If we can secure an upgrade (No, Les #78 not Neymar) then go for it, otherwise stick with what we have until the summer and go all out. Calvert-Lewin and Sandro, if given a chance will improve with game time. They both have pedigree.
89 Posted 29/12/2017 at 00:17:20
Another aspect of Brazilian football I find odd is the apparent lack of top-class coaches over there. I mean, we see quite a few coming from Argentina, Chile and the like, but not, for some reason, from Brazil. What do you make of this?
90 Posted 30/12/2017 at 02:40:17
Good question about Brazilian coaches, one that deeply concerns the national coach Tite.
He really is an impressive man, with tremendous style, eloquence and no little gravitas. There was a recent piece on the weekly Sunday lunch time sports program in which Tite featured heavily, discussing the standard of Brazil's football coaches.
Brazilian clubs are governed by some very powerful individuals and influential committees who treat their club as little more than a fiefdom. It is not uncommon for a club to change their manager 3-4 times a season, even those riding high in the table.
Tite spoke openly about the absurdity of changing the manager every 3-4 months, whilst also recognizing Brazilian coaches themselves need to study more seriously and be better qualified.
Yes, Brazil runs coaching courses, but they are not even recognized by Conmebol the South American football federation. They certainly don't meet Uefa standards. Tite wants this to be standardized with global recognition, which in turn will allow Brazilian coaches to take up positions overseas. This will further improve overall standards of Brazilian coaching (and football) as they are exposed to different football cultures.
Encouragingly, there are some new kids on the block who have had impressive seasons with big clubs this season, so there is talent among Brazilian coaches.
Historically, Brazil has also produced some truly great coaches, not least of all the first man to win the World Cup as both a player and then as a manager (of the wonderful 1970 Brazil World Cup winners) Mario Zagallo. He has god-like status in Brazil, not only with the public, but also with his peers, fellow Brazilian coaches, across all generations.
Then there is Carlos Alberto Parreira, Big Fil Scolari (who, even though he won the World Cup, is not hugely popular) and even Dunga.
Watch out and listen to Tite when you get the chance at next year's World Cup. He is a very impressive individual and I'm not talking strictly football here.
91 Posted 30/12/2017 at 05:10:30
92 Posted 30/12/2017 at 05:50:49
As far as buying from lower leagues or comparing different leagues is concerned, the likes of Ronaldo, Messi and Aguero were also bought from Portuguese and Argentinian leagues. Tosun is somewhat similar to Richarlison, but someone who can finish better.
Also, bring in Nzonzi and ship out Besic and McCarthy or Schneiderlin. Four defensive midfielders are enough in Gana, Davies, Nzonzi and McCarthy or Schneiderlin with no more Europa League games.
93 Posted 30/12/2017 at 05:58:48
94 Posted 30/12/2017 at 06:03:43
95 Posted 30/12/2017 at 06:23:54
Some reports are saying that among his weak points; are poor passing (we don't need another in that department, we have more than enough) and his balance is questionable; by that I presume they mean he falls over a lot (surprise! surprise! we have many in that department too.
Other reports mention the standard of football being the equivalent of Championship or below; many do make the step up admittedly; let's just hope this guy falls into that category.
The one good thing I did pick up on, however; he is apparently a real grafter, and not a "get the ball to my feet and I may score" merchant. I am saying all this, and we may not even get him after all that has gone on.
96 Posted 30/12/2017 at 07:31:03
According to a USA Today article a few weeks ago, Tite does consider Jõ a likely candidate for Brazil's World Cup roster:
And so does Ricardo Rocha: http://www.goal.com/brasilglobaltour/en/news/5457/brasil-global-tour/2017/12/19/41153112/brazil-among-favourites-for-world-cup-riardo-rocha
He wouldn't be a starter in Brazil's current system, but very possibly an impact sub if they're behind and need a scorer in the box.
97 Posted 30/12/2017 at 07:41:26
99 Posted 30/12/2017 at 09:39:56
The current team is in abysmal shape and needs a major overhaul. The players Big Sam is bringing in this window are arguably short term fixes. Both the team and potential players will know far better in the summer where the team is headed. A team finishing in 6th - 8th Place is going to attract far better players than a club in 8th to 12th place.
Moshiri still has a plan but it's had a major setback and the setup needs to work forward from where it is - not where it wants to be!
100 Posted 30/12/2017 at 10:10:40
Maybe you are right. But I feel it's just more of the same. If we are going for a central midfielder I would love us to have a true playmaker that roam around and play brilliant passes.
I don't see Nzonzi doing this. He is a safe passer like the rest. Do we have anyone in the U23 that could develop into something like that? Or might Ross or Dowell be the answer? Or should we spend?
101 Posted 30/12/2017 at 11:08:49
Anthony (#99), get your head around this: if he isn't better than what we have (doubtful) can you explain what the purpose is of buying him? Just because we cannot attract top-drawer strikers does not mean we should be spending on 2nd or 3rd rate squad fillers. Better to acquire potential at a young age (Calvert-Lewin, Sandro) and develop them. Some will make it, some won't.
This guy is at his peak, 26 and has not played in a league anyway comparable to ours. Niasse scored plenty in Turkey and Russia and at a similar age. Calvert-Lewin is developing nicely and Sandro needs a consistent run in the team.
102 Posted 30/12/2017 at 11:44:42
As we don't have the commercial revenue of a club like Manchester United, most of our income comes from television rights, and we have to keep a close eye on our spending, also bearing in mind the fact that transfer fees have rocketed.
We closed last year's accounts (ending 30th June) with a £30 m profit, which is a good start.
103 Posted 30/12/2017 at 11:49:10
Calculate Man City's spending to income it shows that plainly.
104 Posted 30/12/2017 at 11:52:39
Read again the stories you linked to.
Is Tite directly quoted as being interested in Jo? No.
The first story is Jo himself talking up his chances of making the Brazil World Cup squad. The second is an ex-player speculating on the same, mentioning other players at the same time.
Tite has not selected Jo for Brazil. Period. Even in this 'golden season' he just had with Corinthians. His chances of staking any sort of a claim to make the squad have not improved by his move to Japan for 2018.
Not saying it's terminal. Tite selected and played Paulinho in his starting XI when plying his trade in China before moving to Barcelona, but Tite is very clear in his own mind the type of player he wants. Being emotionally stable and mentally strong is one of them.
David Luis, even when playing very well for Chelsea last season, was not selected for the squad. He has had a couple of token call ups for friendlies, nothing more.
Remember Pato who Chelsea loaned a couple of years ago? He was talked of as the next Kaka and played for both Milan clubs. He ended up back at Corinthians under Tite. See this article, point # 2, what Tite thinks of players like Pato:
Watch the pitiful deciding penalty Pato took in a penalty shoot out that incurred Tite's wrath.
In the year Tite won the title with Corinthians in grand style, Pato was loaned out to another Sao Paulo club. It was astonishing that Chelsea took a punt on him. He is now playing in China.
So no Mike, your earlier claim that Jo is now odds on to make Brazil's World Cup squad is well wide of the mark.
105 Posted 30/12/2017 at 11:52:49
The 1982 World Cup in Spain comes to mind on this matter of coaching in Brazil. How could such a brilliant team be knocked out in the manner it was, by Italy, even taking account of the fact that Paolo Rossi probably had the game of his life?
106 Posted 30/12/2017 at 12:13:23
This is one reason I think the gulf in purchasing power between the top clubs and the rest, important though it is, is somewhat over-played. I know Leicester's title was an aberration, but it still happened.
And with the money now available to every club, although, I agree, that has been somewhat dampened by the rise in transfer fees, pretty much everybody can try and sign very good players. The choice of manager has become even more important than it always was.
107 Posted 30/12/2017 at 12:16:26
108 Posted 30/12/2017 at 13:15:30
I did it with Sandro and Klassen. It is one of the pleasures of being an Evertonian. This time next year we will be millionaires. It is always ahead of us but our turn us due.
109 Posted 30/12/2017 at 13:53:15
Let that sink in.
Also in recent times Eto'o went over there and scored plenty.
Magaye Gueye has a 1 in 3 record over there
There is more value in the market elsewhere. If we have big ambition, and big money then we must reflect this in our signings. We can't expect to challenge the really top clubs but we can go to the next level, with big money and big wages and convince these players to come. I'm talking the best players in the Spanish, French, German and Italian leagues who aren't playing champions league football.
110 Posted 30/12/2017 at 14:09:39
Very nice to hear from somebody in Brazil and taking a big interest in the football.
I worked in Sao Paulo and then later stayed in Rio for near on two year a while back. Saw many a game at Morumbi Stadium and one in particular was the campeanato final when Gremio beat Portuguesa 1 nil and a certain 16 year old Ronaldinho was on the bench for Gremio. I always went for Palmeiras but had a soft spot for Timao ( corinthians )
A few years ago under Moyes, we brought a lad in called Rodrigo who was player of the year 3 times for Botofogo but only got on the pitch once I think. A bit of the Gordon Lee / Mckenzie thing there I think but he was a very decent player. I went on to stay in Cabo Frio for some time and met with The legendary Socrates ( he coached Cabofriense ), Romario and Leandro who was part of that great 82 team that should have won the world cup.
I loved watching the footy there and better still I loved watching it on the beach or late at night on the astro turf pitches were every single player has amazing skills. Unfortunately with the shit way our club has been run I have forgotten what good football is like .
111 Posted 30/12/2017 at 14:09:49
I still remain to be convinced that the club is not being run by the same charlatans and rank amateurs that have been dragging it down for years only difference being the benefactor.
Re: Tosun, I know nothing about him, the Youtube clips . hmm average (Anichebe came to mind) I agree with the sentiments that it's not a signing that screams top 4 ambition.
Re: Brazilians the lad at Shaktar (Bernard ? Taison ?) who constantly ran through Citeh would do for me Bernard is apparently a freebie too.
112 Posted 30/12/2017 at 14:18:01
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114 Posted 30/12/2017 at 17:55:55
What a fucking piss taker this fella is. Take Big Dunc with him as well. Taking the club for a ride big style, the wankers.
115 Posted 30/12/2017 at 19:13:50
If you watched a game involving a 16-year-old Ronaldinho that is a helluva lot more than just ' a while back, fellah!'
Happy to stir positive memories for you of your time in Brazil, but dunno how you squared supporting Palmeiras AND having a soft spot for Corinthians. They are HUGE rivals. A bit like saying the same about Everton and the pinkies.
I remember Rodrigo. He came from my wife's team Botafogo. It wasn't that Moyes wouldn't play him. It was more unfortunate than that. He injured himself pre-season - cruciate ligament injury from memory - and returned to Brazil for treatment. As it was a season long loan and he was out all season, we never discovered if he could have hacked it in the PL.
The injury effectively ended his career. He turned out for many a lower division in Brazil, but was never the same again.
You met the legend that is Socrates???!!! Respect!!!
WHAT. A. MAN.
Probably the best footballer in the outstanding 1982 Brazilian side knocked out by eventual winners Italy in the WC in Spain.
A fully qualified doctor. And - most impressive of all - playing for Corinthians he founded and maintained a players' protest movement against the ruling military government. That was very, VERY high risk at the time, because he could have become one of the 'disappeared' for challenging their authority.
That made him a leading light in the Brazilian Democracy movement of the 1980s, something he is remembered for as much as for his football.
I fully understand the sentiment you express Peter, about how you loved watching the footy in Brazil, especially the impromptu games on the beach or indeed any street corner.
I had to laugh, driving through my home city here in Brazil on Christmas Day, when on an extremely busy 4 lane road with lots of traffic, we came upon a group of young adults who had set up a couple of miniature 5-a-side type goals covering a 50 metre stretch, slap bang in the middle of the road way.
Playing about 16 a side, there was no confrontation, no indignation by passing motorists. The cars weaved their way through the action and the players played around the passing cars.
116 Posted 30/12/2017 at 20:25:27
Was fortunate to play with Vic as a youth. Originally a Centre MIdfielder who was hailed as the next big thing in that position.
Physical attributes like you wouldn't believe. Could run 100m in 11s. Massively powerful and dynamic. But his engine was poor stamina, he didn't have any stamina.
Added to that, his naturally ability was wanting. His technique was poor and his playmaking ability almost non existent.
Before Everton got shitnof him they tried him up top and his physical attributes got him game time and opportunity. A well placed goal here and there and he was set for contract renewals etc
A truly lucky young man. I don't begrudge him it, because I think he knows it
117 Posted 30/12/2017 at 22:56:38
Being a foreigner it was hard to choose a team in São Paulo as I was influenced by the Brazilian lads who took us to the games but most of them were Palmeiras fans. The Corinthian fans were mad as hell and really scary in one game when they attacked the barrier we sat behind after Palmeiras went ahead. The noise the made was only second to Flamengo which makes sense as they share the bulk of support in Brazil with Fla.
Dec 96 was the final between Gremio and Portuguesa but Ronaldinho never got on the pitch. Portuguesa were the equivalent of maybe Bournemouth as the club is really small.
I did speak to Rodrigo at Bellefield and he expressed his displeasure at not get a game when he was technically much better than what we had but I suppose the injury put paid to any progress on that front. I would love to have some flair in our team and there's one Brazilian I really like to watch and that's Willian. Very good player and not even a regular starter for Chelsea.
I haven't been back since my now 13 year old boy was babtised in Niteroi 12 years ago but I miss it a lot even given all the madness on the streets.
I was at the game in 2000 when Man U played Vasco at the Maracana and hammered them 3 - 1
Gary Neville had been watching footy down the beach the day before and thought he would try a bit of Brazilian footy when he tried to chest the ball down to Schmeichel ten yards away but it dropped like a lead ballon for Edmund to nip in and score. He then turns to Gary Neville and waves his finger laughing. Comical.
After tonight's game I could do with watching some of those street games in Rio to ease the pain of watching the most dysfunctional football I have ever watched from an Everton team.
Feliz Ano Novo for tonight.
118 Posted 30/12/2017 at 23:05:20
But you're right they were a joy to watch and probably the best side never to have won the World Cup.
119 Posted 31/12/2017 at 10:02:23
120 Posted 31/12/2017 at 10:42:57
Not easily come by over here. :-)
Oh by the way, any news on our new potential signing?
121 Posted 31/12/2017 at 10:51:44
Currently the squad is only scoring against very poor teams and that has to change.
What confuses and confounds me is that eachbof the last three managers from Martinez, including Big Sam are trying anything to get a win but they end up playing random players.
Bolasie is not match fit and neither is McCarthy yet both were fielded during the same game. Carrying underperforming players for a whole match is just asking for trouble, especially with other players naturally underperforming.
122 Posted 31/12/2017 at 12:48:54
123 Posted 31/12/2017 at 13:17:05
124 Posted 31/12/2017 at 13:27:59
Like yourself probably on arrival in Brazil and not knowing much about Brazilian club football, I needed a team to support.
My filtering process was simple: who plays in Blue shirts! As you know, many Brazilian teams have some garish shirts with more colours and stripes in them then a stick of Blackpool rock.
The answer to my question was, Cruzeiro of Belo Horizonte in Minas Gerais.Their profile also appealed to me. A club not from big metropolises Rio or Sao Paulo, but an interior state. Produced many a good footballer through its youth ranks down the years, including Tostao of the 1970 WC winning team and 'o fenomeno' himself, Ronaldo. Has a healthy rivalry with their city neighbours, Atletico with Cruzeiro known as the Foxes and the t'other lot as the Cockerels.
They continue to punch above their weight, winning back-to-back Serie A titles 3 years ago and this year winning the Brazilian Cup.
I know what you mean about Brazilian 'torcidas'. They are madly - often violently - intense. You have more courage than me to attend a big 'classico' game!
Dunno if you've ever seen the Brad Pitt film 'World War Z' when zombies overwhelm the global human population. There is a scene when the zombies are attacking the high walled city of Jerusalem and they form human towers, scrambling over themselves to get to the human flesh inside the walls.
I liken Brazlian football fanatics to that scene, trampling over each other to get at opposition fans. Scary. It happened again recently when another of the giant clubs, Flamengo, played the 2nd leg of the Copa Sudamericana final (the continent's equaivalent to the Europa League) in the world famous Maracana stadium in Rio.
There were terrifying scenes of THOUSANDS of fans besieging the stadium on all sides to force entry. It was pure good fortune that a seriously major disaster didn't occur with scores, hundreds of deaths.
I take it you speak Portuguese having chatted to Rodrigo at Bellefield. It must have been really frustrating for the lad.
I remember an excellent piece in one of the newsies that year, a behind the scenes look at how Moyes worked at Everton. Really fascinating stuff. However, there was one insight I didn't like. This was when Rodrigo was back in Brazil getting rehab. The lad went to the trouble to record and send a video to the club, showing the effort he was putting in to get fit. The response from Moyes and his training staff? They laughed at the video as they watched it. Not nice...
With you all the way on Willian. My sort of footballer. Largely ignored by previous national managers, Scolari and Dunga, he was immediately a nailed on pick when the current manager Tite took over. Then last year whilst on international call up one of his parents died and he was allowed compassionate leave. Unfortunately for Willian, Coutinho stepped in and did well and now often starts ahead of Willian.
Have a gud 'un tonight, fellah. Feliz Ano Novo to you and yours too.
125 Posted 31/12/2017 at 14:08:04
The point isn't that he's Turkish, it's that he is playing in the Turkish league and as stated previously, is 26 so can be presumed to be fully developed. No different than us being linked in the summer with that striker playing in Belgium, also a mature player I believe.
Ditto the fella we tried and failed to buy from Portugal who'd flopped at Athletico Madrid.
126 Posted 31/12/2017 at 14:18:03
Nobody is saying that weaker leagues don't produce brilliant players, just that said players tend to be spotted at a young age; they are not still playing in those leagues at 26, at least halfway through their careers. You unintentionally made my point for me!
127 Posted 31/12/2017 at 14:24:31
128 Posted 31/12/2017 at 15:08:25
We're essentially buying him off what? He scores in the Turkish league and in some Champions League games vs Monaco etc. Fine. Why not scout everyone else who's scored against Monaco this season? Or players who man mark Messi out of a game.
Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.
129 Posted 31/12/2017 at 16:00:38
130 Posted 31/12/2017 at 16:20:04
This lad might be rubbish I agree, but everyone has to take a risk with these players at some point.
131 Posted 31/12/2017 at 16:45:30
We are at the back of the queue and may well have to take a chance on players from lesser leagues.
132 Posted 31/12/2017 at 17:04:28
133 Posted 31/12/2017 at 17:07:43
134 Posted 31/12/2017 at 17:11:07
Which beggars the question; why a Restaurant in Muswell Hill, and not one in Liverpool?
By all accounts, they are trying to hike the price up again, I just hope this guy is worth it!
135 Posted 31/12/2017 at 17:21:11
There's only one good one in Liverpool.
It's chocka tonight.
136 Posted 31/12/2017 at 17:28:54
When RS can pay £75 million for an average central defender then surely Everton can pay £30 million for an average striker.
Let's face it, guys, the transfer market is ridiculous and has been for some years now since big Asian billionaires came on the scene.
137 Posted 31/12/2017 at 17:51:16
138 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:04:45
139 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:06:03
140 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:08:37
Is that the same Benteke that hasn't scored a home goal this season
141 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:14:29
142 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:20:27
143 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:21:33
144 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:23:26
145 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:25:37
146 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:27:20
147 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:31:35
148 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:32:00
We do need a number nine in the worst way and we need one now this Turkish lad will probably not score as many goals as he was in Turkey but he's quick strong and two footed and seems to be able to hold the ball and pass it off and this is something Everton have not had in years. He should make our attack more fluid. Sign him and a two way left back and we are made in the shade.
149 Posted 31/12/2017 at 18:55:34
John G Davies, know the Elif in Lark Lane, surely they would have made room for one of their own!
150 Posted 01/01/2018 at 02:31:33
I consider Eddie Howe an excellent coach in the way that for him to have kept His team in the Prem whilst still having a go is incredible with the players he has. We have some good players in our squad or at least better than the teams below us and yet we struggle to put two passes together and show an amazing lack of ability to defend simple situations against average teams.
Whether Walsh or whoever can come up with a couple of decent signings is one thing but then getting them to play football outside of a ultra defensive strategy is another thing.
The club has needed a big change for decades and the biggest disappointment in Moshiri coming to the club was Kenwright staying on. It does not give any indication of change as this man alone has been a huge thorn in the progress of Everton Football Club.
Happy New Year to you all.
152 Posted 01/01/2018 at 09:38:19
153 Posted 01/01/2018 at 09:49:18
154 Posted 01/01/2018 at 09:57:46
155 Posted 01/01/2018 at 10:03:01
156 Posted 01/01/2018 at 10:12:13
I remember that 82 World Cup, like it was yesterday, definitely my favourite ever tournament, and remember we were all messin about in school, when this teacher came from nowhere and started shouting at us to get in line, or he would put us all on detention. Nobody took any notice of him, until he started shouting that Brazil, were on the telly at 4 o'clock, and this teacher soon had us all in line!
Don't know much about Tosun, he's scoring in the champions lge, that's good, but although he's gone off the boil a little bit right now, didn't Dembelle, get an hat trick against Barca in last seasons competition?
157 Posted 01/01/2018 at 11:08:08
158 Posted 01/01/2018 at 11:10:34
159 Posted 01/01/2018 at 11:26:35
161 Posted 01/01/2018 at 11:42:37
Everton before Kenwright, was too big a job for David Moyes, but they were in bed together, and although the transfer pot was never enough, the wages were usually around the mark, were we generally finished in the league, especially when you consider we used to exist to win things, before these two fellas got together?
Ray, maybe youre right, I think there must be something wrong, because this kid looked sensational last year, and the good players who leave Celtic, usually go on to better things
162 Posted 01/01/2018 at 12:04:47
Regarding your comments re Moyes and Kenwright, it only goes to show what a good job Moyes did when he took over. Many of his players would be a step up considering the dross we have to watch now. Pienaar, Cahill, Arteta, a young Baines and Jags, Coleman...if only we had had a consistent striker, like Yakubu or Jelavic who would do the job for a few seasons instead for a brief period.
163 Posted 01/01/2018 at 12:08:03
For me he's a no no.
164 Posted 01/01/2018 at 12:23:59
165 Posted 01/01/2018 at 13:17:22
From now on my second team is Everton! 😆😆
166 Posted 01/01/2018 at 14:56:02
Anyway I went a bought a few shirts myself in town to take with me and hand around over there. While I was there, a mate of mine came over for a few weeks and had managed to get a full team kit from the Dockers Club.
I was in a beautiful small town called Cabo Frio and there was a small shanty town (favela) nearby and we took it there to give to a group of lads who played on the beach every night. The kit was all black (anyone from the Dockers Club remember?) but so were all the lads!
We managed to get a photo of them all with the kit on late one evening and I still have it somewhere but all you can see is a load of eyes and teeth. This is in the days of film by the way so I only realised this once it was developed. Funny as anything but I couldn't even give the photo to the Dockers Club because you couldn't see the kit.
That day I met Socrates I was with a lad who was in the second team that he coached at the time and this lad Introduced me to him. I loved him as a player and knew he was a qualified doctor and so on but there he was sat on the floor with a can of beer in one hand a cigarette in the other talking to his mates. Talk about down to earth or what! RIP legend
167 Posted 01/01/2018 at 16:26:01
I've had a long association with Brazil, and have been living in Niteroi for 9 years now. Much as I love watching the Brazilian national team, I just can't get into watching Brazilian domestic football - lots of skill on offer but negated by the cynical and very physical fouls which litter the game. Many Brazilians I know also don't like the domestic game and instead are keen followers of the Premier League and especially the Champions League games.
Where I live, the fans are dominated by followers of Flamengo who, for those unfamiliar with the Brazilian game, are the equivalent of Manchester United with a fanbase well beyond their home territory (largely because of Zico, who played for them, and the fact that they were the best team around the time that football first achieved nationwide TV coverage). And I usually have to explain who Everton are.
One advantage of living in Brazil is that I can typically watch 5 live Premier Leagye games every weekend. However, these days I can't watch Everton live because it's too painful, so I follow the game on the BBC website and maybe watch it later. Living abroad, you realize how the big 4/5/6 have dominated international coverage. God knows how many times I've looked forward to watching, only to discover that the game they've chosen for broadcast is our neighbours.
Let's hope for a better 2018, and an improvement to the point where we become worth watching again !
NSNO. COYB - or "Anda, os Azuis !!"
168 Posted 01/01/2018 at 23:26:10
My wife's from Niteroi but actually grew up in Itoacoatiara. We had an apartment in Icarai together for a while too so know the place well. My missus was working at Lance, which is a Rio sports journal when I met her and I used to try and read it everyday which helped me to understand Portuguese a little better.
I used to watch the kids play footy on that beach everyday which was in fact more enjoyable than live games and what a view of Rio eh??
Feliz Ano Novo to all blues.
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