Season › 2017-18 › News Allardyce content to avoid 'dreaded' vote of confidence from Moshiri Lyndon Lloyd Saturday, 28 April, 2018 34comments | Jump to most recent Everton FC/Getty Images Sam Allardyce has expanded on the comments he made yesterday regarding regarding Thursday's meeting with Farhad Moshiri but wouldn't confirm that Everton's major shareholder gave him his unequivocal backing. The manager was asked during the television media portion of his pre-match press conference whether he had the clarity he was seeking from Moshiri about his future at Goodison Park following reports from two of the leading tabloids suggesting he hadn't got the assurance he was seeking. “We discussed the plans for next season yesterday with Farhad,” Allardyce said in his presser at Finch Farm, “and we've got some clarity now moving forward." Despite his insistence, however, based on comments attributed to him by The Guardian's Andy Hunter today from a subsequent interview, things aren't quite so cut and dried. Allardyce was asked whether Moshiri had given him a 100% commitment that he will remain in charge for the remaining year of his 18-month contract and demurred, choosing to focus on the talks about future plans for the team. “I'm not going to tell you one way or the other,” the 63-year-old said. “We discussed next season and if I wasn't going to be here why would we be discussing next season at great length? I have found Farhad nothing but supportive from day one and still just as supportive yesterday. “What they asked me to do, I've done. I can't do any more than what I've achieved up to this point. Well, yes I could. We could have got better results and more points but I think under the circumstances, when you look at the overall position, I think we have achieved a lot. “Clarity is the fact I've had a meeting with him and I'm telling you and the meeting has been about what's happening next season. “Farhad doesn't feel the need to come out and say anything publicly, so I'm saying we had a meeting yesterday to discuss next season's plans, pre-season, players and which direction we are going to go in. “I said [last week] I can't tell Farhad what to do. 'It would help,' I said. He doesn't feel the need to do that. By the fact we've had the meeting, he's in the position where he doesn't feel he needs to do that. "He may well feel that if he did that you would just say: ‘Oh, he's had the dreaded vote of confidence.'” Of course, Moshiri's stance leaves the door open for another change in the managerial hot-seat at the end of the season, something that the brevity of Allardyce's contract suggested was possible from the outset. The renowned Premier League firefighter was hired to ensure that Everton preserved their top-flight status after a horrendous start to the 2017-18 season and two worryingly poor performances against Atalanta and Southampton under interim boss, David Unsworth. Unsworth handed the reins to Allardyce with a handsome 4-0 win over West Ham United in his final game in charge at the end of November, paving the way for the subsequent improvement in the club's league position. Doubts remain, however, over Allardyce's suitability to the Everton job and Moshiri's ambitions, his ability to transform the Blues into a side capable of winning consistently, provide entertaining football and challenge for the Champions League places next season. That has led to persistent speculation that not only is the club's hierarchy looking to bring in PSV Eindhoven's technical director Marcel Brands but they're also hoping to lure a longer-term managerial appointment to Goodison as well, with Shakhtar Donetsk's Paulo Fonseca and former Watford boss, Marco Silva, the two names most commonly raised as options. Reader Comments (34) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer Chad Schofield 1 Posted 28/04/2018 at 07:42:32 "Couldn't do more", then answers in part. He could have done much more. He had a genuine opportunity, but blew it and has acted churlishly since he arrived.He's not as poisonous as Koeman became, but we're not going to grow under him. Moshiri not publicly backing him speaks volumes... but Sam makes a good point about the "cursed vote of confidence". With so few, and no meaningful, games left it would seem crazy not to if the intention was to stick with him. Perhaps Moshiri has learned from his dabble with the media when Unsworth was temporarily in charge - and that's a good thing if it's the case... we certainly don't need more nonsense like that. Kim Vivian 2 Posted 28/04/2018 at 08:02:54 I hope not to see Sam here next year (although there are names banded about that I would rather him than them). I do not know who the best fit will be as his replacement but as as far as Sam goes, he is simply challenged by his own abilities. I believe he has don as well as HE could be expected to despite the opportunity presented to him. He is arrogant, a brown envelope merchant (hardly an exclusive in modern football) and has not entertained us, but is incapable of dishing up the fare we want to see.So I thank him for what he has done this season (we are a mess now but were more of a mess when he arrived), will keep my vitriol bottled and wish him bon voyage asap.Next man step up, please. Tony Abrahams 3 Posted 28/04/2018 at 08:09:22 Hopefully Allardyce, is just winding us up, and he's just gave himself that dreaded vote of confidence. Tony Everan 4 Posted 28/04/2018 at 08:14:26 Reading between the lines here it is contractual speak.It is another way of saying, “I am going nowhere unless my contract is payed in full.â€Of course he needs to keep on banging the line “I am planning for next season.â€etc.Anything other than that would give the hint he was prepared to walk and take a low settlement.He not stupid and as his past has revealed he is incredibly motivated by money. He will have advisors telling him what to say and to stick with it to extract the maximum payout upon termination. Rob Dolby 5 Posted 28/04/2018 at 08:35:18 Oh dear.Everyone's worst fear is being realised.This could be the earliest Johnny Logan shout ever. I normally use it mid January when we are knocked out of the cups.More than anything this highlights Moshiri's ambition for the club or lack of. Expect more of the same shite next season. Paul Birmingham 6 Posted 28/04/2018 at 08:39:10 It's a shame clear as mud, as is typical with affairs of EFC. In my view unless FM has drawn up a precast template for an overhaul of the board and coaching staff, bearing the World Cup, and unlikely to qualify for Europe, and general lack of apparent genuine interest from the so called top coaches, I don't see any change.No doubt the rhetoric from Sam will be now, I'll show you proper football.. For me the club is drifting with no course and. On the field and off the field it's a mess. Justin Doone 7 Posted 28/04/2018 at 08:39:45 I'll start with my preference is to get Mancini in ASAP and I never wanted Rob, Ron, or Sam.Moshiri is a business man. As such he probably wants a bit of stability on the football so he can take care of other opportunities. All this manager, coaching and player merry go round is a costly exercise in time and money.Plus its World Cup year, players, managers and club owners will be unavailable for large periods and transfer fees for 'one good tournament doesn't make a good player X' even more insane.Will Sam keep us in the PL, yes. Will he be keen to improve and should finish top half, yes. Will he make us harder to beat, yes. Will he be prepared to work on a tight budget having to sell before he can buy, yes.Moshiri's job is done. Both financially and from a football view. On to the next project, possibly Bramley Moor Dock, possibly not..Now if it wasn't for my love of EFC that almost makes sense. Fans left unhappy for another season and then move on to project Everton phase 2.I think which ever way this plays out we will be wasting another 12 months on keeping Sam or making the wrong appointment. Moshiri please do the right thing, say bye to Sam and bring in a winner, Mr Mancini. Anthony Flack 8 Posted 28/04/2018 at 08:49:25 Tony at post 4 is spot on.No matter what we do not like about Sam and the churlish insults bandied around, he is a smart guy and hardly wet behind the ears Clearly he has made mistakes in the past and at EvertonAs a matter of fact he has achieved what he was put in place to do, many of us do not like how he has gone about itI do not want him to stay if the football we play remains as it is currently, even if we win a few more games - and we're pressing for 6thI cannot remember more than 3 or 4 occasions for 15 to 20 minutes when we have looked anything other than ponderous and scared of the ballWe grind results out of equally or even poorer teams and get found out against better sides If Sam can build on stage 1 and introduce what we all desperately seek then I would consider him as an option - only fire him with a clear plan B and that should include proven competence at the highest level - not someone with potentialWe need strong men in the team and a strong manager Tony Abrahams 9 Posted 28/04/2018 at 08:53:49 A lot of good points Justin, but I'm not sure the fans will be able to tolerate another season of Sam's Shite, both on and off the pitch.With regards to Moshiri, maybe his biggest goal, is to get us down the dock, but if Allardyce stays, I wonder how many season tickets will either go back, or remain un-used next season? Paul Birmingham 10 Posted 28/04/2018 at 09:06:14 Annus Horribilus, it seems on paper for next season, amongst decades of neglect at EFC. Let's hope for some genuine positives, rays of hope on the horizon.My gut is that BMD is on the back burner for now. No public announcement of private backers and only notions of the LCC, being interested as backers.Win today..hopefully and a good shift by all the players. Dave Williams 11 Posted 28/04/2018 at 09:11:50 Guys, I think we need to calm down, can we really afford to pay off another manager when we're still paying for the last two...Plus this year the transfer window closes 9th August, 25 days after the world cup, I personally think it'll be one of the lowest on record, and any new manager would want to give the current playing squad a chance, then next thing you know we're in deep shit come the January transfer window...Think Sam has already indicated that we've adopted a sell before you buy policy... So let Sam get rid of some of the shite he was left with, then come the end of his contract we may look a good prospect for any new manager Patrick McDermott 12 Posted 28/04/2018 at 09:15:45 If we want to grow as a club he has to go . Listening to talksport they were saying we should be grateful we have big sam, for to long we have just been average its time to get kick on John Davies 13 Posted 28/04/2018 at 09:38:25 The fact that he says he couldn't have done any more speaks volumes of the mans' disconnect with the fans. He could have made some sort of effort not to antagonise people and piss us all off with the mind numbingly shite brand of football that he plays. What a fraud. Gavin McGarvey 14 Posted 28/04/2018 at 09:46:34 John, I think he's trying to get the sack. There's no other realistic explanation for his concerted attempts to rile the fans. The last thing he wants is for the club to make him see out the remainder of his contract. He has too much ego for that. Mal van Schaick 15 Posted 28/04/2018 at 10:33:07 Perhaps a hidden camera and a Newspaper sting will resolve this issue. A la England. James Cadwaladr 16 Posted 28/04/2018 at 11:01:24 A very sad day for Everton if what he said in his press conference is true. We know where Everton have been over the last 10 years, the best of the rest. Skint, but with a heritage and a size of club that could and should be challenging. Moshiri came in and this was the opportunity we had to try and catch those above us. What has transpired is a lack of direction, vision, culture, sophistication and ultimately that ambition. Allardyce is not the manager to take this club forward, he never was and he never will be. If we are keeping him, we are basically taking the knife to a gun fight and the board are quite simply saying. 'WE GIVE UP" A sad day for all Evertonians. Anthony Murphy 17 Posted 28/04/2018 at 11:08:57 I think Justin may be close to the truth. I think the escalating cost of BMD coupled with the expense of sacking Sam, hiring a new manager and giving said manager a transfer kitty will be in his thinking. Any new manager would want assurances over money to spend and would want to bring in their own team, which adds to costs. I think Moshiri is ambitious, but as an accountant he's also probably pragmatic and thrifty. I guess we may have to suffer a while longer Gaute Lie 18 Posted 28/04/2018 at 11:22:59 This guy is like Donald Trump; he can't see the thorne in his own eye.If he remains as manager I loose every trust in Everton administration for good. Gaute Lie 19 Posted 28/04/2018 at 11:24:49 I would also like to see most of our training staff to go.I would keep Unsworth, the rest of the sorry gang, including Ferguson, can go. Kunal Desai 20 Posted 28/04/2018 at 11:27:00 https://www.change.org/p/everton-football-club-everton-football-club-remove-sam-allardyce-as-manager?utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_signer_receipt&utm_campaign=triggered&j=296089&sfmc_sub=309177411&l=32_HTML&u=53444679&mid=7233052&jb=1146446 John Pierce 21 Posted 28/04/2018 at 11:27:10 If I try and remove myself from the fraught emotional state of being a fan then my head tells me things don't add up. If Allardyce stays on it must trigger an extension. It's rare a manager runs a contract down in this era. Moshiri's business instincts will surely realise that the club cannot begin next year with Allardyce effectively on a 12 month notice period. Potential signings and current squad players would be left in limbo and uncertainty, the enemy of all businesses. If Moshiri is prepared to let that happen, thats a very poor sign. If you keep the Allardyce, Moshiri has to back him. In the absence of that and no news of an extension, logic tells me he's gone. My heart is panicked and worried. John Hammond 22 Posted 28/04/2018 at 11:29:03 “What they asked me to do, I've done. I can't do any more than what I've achieved up to this point. Well, yes I could. We could have got better results and more points but I think under the circumstances, when you look at the overall position, I think we have achieved a lot.Contradicts himself in one paragraph. Amazing. He could have done so much more but just wanted to preserve his reputation. Bizarre because he could've enhanced it. Just shows he lacks any class and ambition. Pete Clarke 23 Posted 28/04/2018 at 11:39:34 Well he only partly contradicts himself because although there were more points up for grabs, he sets the team up in a manner that is happy to get a point in any game. This will not change because of his mentality towards results regardless of performance. Dont lose. Points gained. Lose. Players fault. Minik Hansen 25 Posted 28/04/2018 at 12:13:34 I feel this meeting was to bring clarity of what Moshiri is really dealing with here IF the current manager is remain here. That said, not an assurance in the way the manager has been expressing. Nicholas Ryan 27 Posted 28/04/2018 at 12:54:43 Government calls snap election. Government loses every single seat.Reporter: 'Prime Minister, what happened with the election?' Prime Minister;' Well, we've now got some clarity, going forward'! John Graham 28 Posted 28/04/2018 at 13:11:18 Mancini is a poor manager whose teams play poor, dull, defensive football.We need a manager who will play attractive attacking football. Frank McGregor 29 Posted 28/04/2018 at 13:48:13 As this charade continues, with the club's un-professional approach to the whole situation and the fanatical daily attacks from the fans, I believe we would be very lucky to attract Micky Mellon from Tranmere Rovers.I really cannot see Fonseca, Silva, Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche or any other of the names bandied about on here walking blind into the "lion's den" – they would have to be crazy to take on such a job. Ed Fitzgerald 30 Posted 28/04/2018 at 16:06:12 Get the change petition signed to get rid whether we won today or not. That knob Garth Crooks has just been slagging us (the fans) off on the BBC what the fuck does he know about out club. I was at the Bob Latchford talk yeatetday a brilliant night and Dave Thomas was scathing about the shite we are serving up as was Derek Mountfield. Ian Hollingworth 31 Posted 28/04/2018 at 17:41:18 Be very afraid as we might just be stuck with him.Season tickets are sold so job done for the board and owners. Joe O'Brien 32 Posted 28/04/2018 at 18:04:57 The only reason that those knob media 'know it alls' are berating us for giving our wonderful manager a hard time is because they want us to remain in 8th, they don't want a strong Everton upsetting their nice cosy 4 darlings at the top of the table. Rob Birks 34 Posted 29/04/2018 at 22:04:08 Joe. Correct son Mark Andersson 35 Posted 30/04/2018 at 02:25:47 I watched and listened to Sams interview... it was lie after lie. He was stumbling over his own words.. his body language was that of a person trying to hard to hide his lies.However I feel that nothing has been resolved and FM has painted him self into a corner. He fought hard to get Koeman but that backfired... he fails to get the guy from Watford Everton were a big club in the past, but now are sadly looked at as a small club over shadowed by Liverpool who as we all know are loved by the media. It will take Man City decades and European cup wins to ever come out of the shadows of their neighbors .I don't live in the past but was happy to have witnessed the great teams of the 80's. Oh and have we really sold all season tickets or is that just another lie to make the vulnerable think there missing out and live in hope that there is a new manager lined up. Every football fan lives in hope, the reality is that hope is dashed more times than its celebrated. I find Sam rather entertaining he plays the media game brilliantly... he's not a manager who cares about the club or scared of loosing his job... it's all a big game to him and he gets off on it... laughing all the way to the bank...The people who have been running Everton Football club are the same, so Sam is a perfect fit.. They are all in it for the money, the fans are in it for the glory. Sadly the money men get richer while the fans get poorer in every way...There is no quick solution to get Everton back to the top of the table and as each passing season goes we slip further back into obscurity. Tony Williams 36 Posted 30/04/2018 at 21:52:18 Surely we as fans should have a say in our club, perhaps I am being naive in saying that but they must know the strength of feeling amongst us all but do they care about us? We as fans will always be here but chairman come and go. This clown has got to go. Dermot Byrne 37 Posted 30/04/2018 at 21:59:47 Tony #36. I worry we have little influence now as they know we love the club and will never leave.To me, in my case, bit like having having a Santander customer forum. Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. About these ads